Was thinking about this some more. Asking yourself "Was this really bad or do I just have nostalgia glasses on?" is a symptom of the gaslighting that has been pressed on Star Wars fans. We're told to doubt our own ability to assess whether something is good or bad (or enjoyable to not) because we previously loved something from the brand. The fact it doesn't fit well with what came before is a writing problem if you're trying to build an interconnected set of stories. More troubling to me is the idea that you shouldn't get to enjoy something if you're over 30 cause this is for the NEW generation. We're seeing increased longevity and an age column rather than an age pillar. A big percentage of the audience is older and are the ones with disposable income. Good Star Wars should fit well with Star Wars. It's fine to do new/different things, but why call it Star Wars if it's not going to build on the story of Star Wars or be set in a recognizably Star Wars setting. The original films were something kids and adults enjoyed together. It was seen as universal because it didn't specifically target a certain age demographic. That loss of focus on family audience and family media is a loss. We need stories kids and adults can share.
It’s more do like a show that is completely told different from what I’m used to. A good chunk of people did not like andor because it was very differently from your average Star Wars. The gaslighting comes from people lie about a show. Acolyte is not written badly. Certainly not andor but both shows are least watched on Disney+. I think the acolyte is very misunderstood show. Frankly a good portion of the criticism is in bad faith. It’s definitely a show where it’s more a thinker type closer to something like Star Trek where it’s clearly asking you to think about stuff. Most of the Star Wars fans are not used to that type of storytelling. The rorschach test episodes is very much outside the mainstream type of storytelling telling. Where most star wars is very digestible with small thinker bits of storytelling but simple where some people won’t think about how does this relate to our world in substantial way. Andor forces you to think that way. But in a gritty more mainstream way. But not normal for Star Wars. The acolyte is written in a more female perspective but all of it. However unless it’s a book. The acolyte is more prone to criticism just because of its female perspective. That’s not to it isn’t good. It is. It’s just less respected because it’s in a more male space. Otherwise it will be a book series where it’s more female dominated. Andor is more male centric for shore. That’s why it’s getting praise and the acolyte isn’t. Andor is more expensive than the acolyte and is connected to a prequel to a new hope. The acolyte has to start almost from nothing but deep cut starwars lore. Where most people are unfamiliar with. Complex story where some audiences can’t follow because they lack media compression skills. It’s like reading those books in high school but not understanding why they are important. It’s like that too with andor. But not quite as much with acolyte. These two shows have the watched hours compared to other Star Wars shows but andor just barely passed go for another season. Partly because of timing. Partly because it’s connected to original trilogy. And maybe it was because it had more prestige and the show runner had way more clout. It’s along explanation. But there it is. Hope this helps you have a better view point.
I'm certainly not going to defend the behavior of everyone on the internet. But Disney tossed SO much lore. It was like someone buying the Hobbit and tossing the Lord of the Rings to make their own stuff based on the Hobbit, and then contradicting stuff in the Hobbit and turning Bilbo into a shadow of himself. We were promised better continuity when they did that, then they didn't even bother making a story arc for the sequel trilogy. Rebels Thrawn is such a watered down version of book Thrawn who was one of the best EU characters. They don't even get his eyes right. I'd been waiting for a live action Thrawn for 30 years...and he's not Thrawn, he's a shadow of Thrawn. A lot of the initial ire for the Acolyte had far more to do with director/actor interviews, which were extremely cringe and even insulting, than the show content. It confused me at first until I started seeing interview clips. Acolyte had potential, but it was very poorly executed. My nephew and I gave it a chance. The idea of doing a mystery set in High Republic was good, but Acolyte completely disregarded the point of Star Wars and tried to undermine the Jedi in a way that missed the point of the Jedi. They can be flawed sure, but the show kept hinting they had done something truly awful, only to show they had for the most part acted in self-defense or to protect the girls. So the cover up itself did not make sense as presented. Torbin comes off more as a victim, so his self imposed exile and suicide just seem like victim blaming. I won't detail every problem with the show, but there were a lot...and worse they could easily cut the problematic bits and made a much better show. My nephew is 15 and lost it at the lightsaber bleeding because it's not how Kaiburr crystals work. I was done with it a little earlier. If Disney doesn't care about continuity, chucking the original continuity seemed pretty mean spirited and pointless. Particularly as they dig through it and keep pulling out bits like lightsaber whips that should have stayed in the garbage and doing them in a worse way than they had been done before. It seems like Disney is trying to actively lose the fanbase that was the most passionate about Star Wars and replace it with casual fans who will be pleased by whatever comes on screen as long as there are lightsabers involved. And it's sad because Star Wars used to be something pretty special.
I wish I could enjoy the dumpsterfire slog Disney makes and not make my eyes bleed out, but having a working brain / decent taste and standarts for entertainment just get in the way for me..
Was thinking about this some more. Asking yourself "Was this really bad or do I just have nostalgia glasses on?" is a symptom of the gaslighting that has been pressed on Star Wars fans. We're told to doubt our own ability to assess whether something is good or bad (or enjoyable to not) because we previously loved something from the brand. The fact it doesn't fit well with what came before is a writing problem if you're trying to build an interconnected set of stories.
More troubling to me is the idea that you shouldn't get to enjoy something if you're over 30 cause this is for the NEW generation. We're seeing increased longevity and an age column rather than an age pillar. A big percentage of the audience is older and are the ones with disposable income. Good Star Wars should fit well with Star Wars. It's fine to do new/different things, but why call it Star Wars if it's not going to build on the story of Star Wars or be set in a recognizably Star Wars setting.
The original films were something kids and adults enjoyed together. It was seen as universal because it didn't specifically target a certain age demographic. That loss of focus on family audience and family media is a loss. We need stories kids and adults can share.
It’s more do like a show that is completely told different from what I’m used to. A good chunk of people did not like andor because it was very differently from your average Star Wars. The gaslighting comes from people lie about a show. Acolyte is not written badly. Certainly not andor but both shows are least watched on Disney+. I think the acolyte is very misunderstood show. Frankly a good portion of the criticism is in bad faith. It’s definitely a show where it’s more a thinker type closer to something like Star Trek where it’s clearly asking you to think about stuff. Most of the Star Wars fans are not used to that type of storytelling. The rorschach test episodes is very much outside the mainstream type of storytelling telling. Where most star wars is very digestible with small thinker bits of storytelling but simple where some people won’t think about how does this relate to our world in substantial way. Andor forces you to think that way. But in a gritty more mainstream way. But not normal for Star Wars. The acolyte is written in a more female perspective but all of it. However unless it’s a book. The acolyte is more prone to criticism just because of its female perspective. That’s not to it isn’t good. It is. It’s just less respected because it’s in a more male space. Otherwise it will be a book series where it’s more female dominated. Andor is more male centric for shore. That’s why it’s getting praise and the acolyte isn’t. Andor is more expensive than the acolyte and is connected to a prequel to a new hope. The acolyte has to start almost from nothing but deep cut starwars lore. Where most people are unfamiliar with. Complex story where some audiences can’t follow because they lack media compression skills. It’s like reading those books in high school but not understanding why they are important. It’s like that too with andor. But not quite as much with acolyte. These two shows have the watched hours compared to other Star Wars shows but andor just barely passed go for another season. Partly because of timing. Partly because it’s connected to original trilogy. And maybe it was because it had more prestige and the show runner had way more clout. It’s along explanation. But there it is. Hope this helps you have a better view point.
I'm certainly not going to defend the behavior of everyone on the internet. But Disney tossed SO much lore. It was like someone buying the Hobbit and tossing the Lord of the Rings to make their own stuff based on the Hobbit, and then contradicting stuff in the Hobbit and turning Bilbo into a shadow of himself.
We were promised better continuity when they did that, then they didn't even bother making a story arc for the sequel trilogy.
Rebels Thrawn is such a watered down version of book Thrawn who was one of the best EU characters. They don't even get his eyes right. I'd been waiting for a live action Thrawn for 30 years...and he's not Thrawn, he's a shadow of Thrawn.
A lot of the initial ire for the Acolyte had far more to do with director/actor interviews, which were extremely cringe and even insulting, than the show content. It confused me at first until I started seeing interview clips.
Acolyte had potential, but it was very poorly executed. My nephew and I gave it a chance. The idea of doing a mystery set in High Republic was good, but Acolyte completely disregarded the point of Star Wars and tried to undermine the Jedi in a way that missed the point of the Jedi. They can be flawed sure, but the show kept hinting they had done something truly awful, only to show they had for the most part acted in self-defense or to protect the girls. So the cover up itself did not make sense as presented. Torbin comes off more as a victim, so his self imposed exile and suicide just seem like victim blaming.
I won't detail every problem with the show, but there were a lot...and worse they could easily cut the problematic bits and made a much better show.
My nephew is 15 and lost it at the lightsaber bleeding because it's not how Kaiburr crystals work. I was done with it a little earlier. If Disney doesn't care about continuity, chucking the original continuity seemed pretty mean spirited and pointless. Particularly as they dig through it and keep pulling out bits like lightsaber whips that should have stayed in the garbage and doing them in a worse way than they had been done before.
It seems like Disney is trying to actively lose the fanbase that was the most passionate about Star Wars and replace it with casual fans who will be pleased by whatever comes on screen as long as there are lightsabers involved. And it's sad because Star Wars used to be something pretty special.
Now consider showrunner getting her hands on Kreya (because she is really interested in this character). This will be an unimaginable disaster.
The acolyte hurt his brain so bad that he was spazzing out in the beginning.
We praise you for your work, pain, and suffering. I solute you 🫡
It's bad. Especially when the makers are more fixated on people's skin colour and bedroom preferences. than good writing and interesting characters..
Yord wasn’t a padawan. When he first went to arrest Osha he stated he was a knight and even had his own padawan (WHO WE NEVER SAW AGAIN!)
@@nathanielreik6617 I realized that later on, and was so confused what happened. Maybe they knew too much 👀
You got through the Acolyte, and are still here to tell the story? Then maybe you are the only real Jedi left.
@@phantorang yea did I finish the acolyte or did it finish me
Correction: you got through the Acolyte, you didn’t kill yourself. Makes it funnier.
I'm so sorry for you
I wish I could enjoy the dumpsterfire slog Disney makes and not make my eyes bleed out, but having a working brain / decent taste and standarts for entertainment just get in the way for me..
i saw the title and thought "You poor thing".
Yo that thumbnail tho
At least the posters for this show were okay
as a star wars fan im so happy we got star wars space lesbians . so awesome