XR stands for “extreme runtime” not an indicator whether or not the motor is brushless. My regular dewalt impact driver is brushless but it’s not xr. Took a quick google search to find that.
XR does not and never has meant the the tool is brushless. XR tools came out long before the brushless tools were introduced. XR stands for extreme runtime. I will agree that those package deals do usually come with the cheaper models of the tools. If you are looking for good tools, you will rarely find them discounted. You get what you pay for. (Most of the time)
Welcome to the club. I Sold Dewalt and B&D professional/Industrial many years ago and have been using Dewalt tools for years so I have decades of years of experience with them. They are great at marketing but, not so good at being honest. They make a good tool, as long as you get the tool you were looking for. Great video!
Anyone who buys a box load of tools, most that you already own, does not unpack them for over six months, never needed them in the first place, definitely shows that money is plentiful and decision making is questionable .......
I work for a commercial tool and fastener company. We have to continually educate workers thst the price point items (tools made to sell at a certain price), mostly in the big box stores, versus a tool made to do a certain job is NOT the same thing. Another concern you have not mentioned is the tiny 2 or 3 amp hour batteries that the big boxes sell. My company only sells 5 amp hour batteries. It is NOT Dewalt that is fooling you. It is the big box stores driving the tool companies to cheapen their tools, to keep the big boys happy. Leason learned, don't by from the big boxes if you are a professional. Lowes and Home Depot primary markets are homeowners. Don't get fooled, buy from someone who will ask questions and match you with the specific tool for the job your doing.
You bought an entry level diy discount kit and are comparing it to their premium trade tools, the model numbers are even on the side of e box, unfair to blame Dewalt for your mistake.
You do NOT want a grinder to immediately brake. Inertia of the wheel/brush/stone on the spindle would unscrew itself (and potentially become an abrasive frisbee ...)
So you're mad at DeWalt because you didn't do your research??? I'm quite sure XR means Extended Run. They have been using that branding since long before they even made brushless tools with the XRP (extended run pack) batteries.
Most of these tool companies have atleast 4 versions of one thing. For example milwakee has brushed, brushed fuel, brushless, brushless fuel. Dewalt has brushed, brushed XR, brushless, and brushless XR. It can be easy to be deceived especially when buying a kit or combo set
I ALWAYS research the snot out of tools before I buy. I learned that an emotional buy gets paid for more than once. So double takes get photographed to go home and see just what it really is. Kits are for beginners.
The tool model numbers of are all clearly showed right on the packaging. I think what you mean when you say "..not the tool I thought I was buying.." you mean: "..not the tool I WISHED I was buying.."
Coming from a generation before you I see why your hooked on cordless but for me appreciate power saws and certainly don't mind a cord with endless use. Batteries in most products are a pain as my cellphone reminds me daily. I think that we have become hooked on freedom from being attached but we should not forget from where we have come. Love the thought and challenge you pose and yes what bothers me most, as you have said, is being deceived. Kudos to you for patience and thourough testing.
That 1/2 hour saved me hours and hours trawling through various websites, thanks. I worked with the guys in construction on Vikings tv show for years. It was almost always 50% Dewalt 50% everything else put together, lots of yellow. Every day they debated the merits of their choices. The oldest tools tended to be Bosch and Festool so that is a test we rarely get results on. Dark green tools tended to get knocked into the water a lot so I presume its the same everywhere else too. Black & Decker more often than not found in bins (not a personal opinion but that's where i saw them). people tend to stay loyal to whatever brand they choose and people who use Hitachi seemed to be always trying to convert everyone else. Milwaukee users tended to tell you their old one was much better. Oh and Dewalt tools always seemed to be relatively new. I dont know if that means anything like they dont last or they keep bringing out upgrades or baybe even they are yellow so you can see them instead of kick them.
Big lesson: Never do "impulse buys" its expensive and you never get what you really wanted. It pays to research first and buy only what you researched and really wants.
I betcha if you had read the box and ratings this would not have happened. It's up to the consumer to do the homework. Dewalt has put these kits together to give more items to a consumer for the price that works for them. I buy my dewalt tools individually from a dealer here in PA. Getting exactly what I wanted.
I was thinking the same thing. Buying a multi-kit is for people who more rarely use them, and dont need the power of quality tools. If you use tools on a regular basis, you buy them one at a time!
I tell everyone never buy the kits just buy the tool with a battery cause you do get the good one that way. They always give a mix of new tools and old out dated ones.
No different then buying a John Deere mower from Home Depot or Lowe’s and going to a John Deere dealer. There is more then a price difference at the box stores. Cheaper motors and overall cheaper made product then at a dealer. Get what you pay for...
Thank you for this video, we're getting tools together to start our own home build, and wasting money isn't in the budget. We will certainly be much more careful from now on when buying any tools.
something else to consider on the hammer drill - without the handle, you'll put your hand on the heel to help push.... which is where the fan and cooling vents are located. It WILL burn up the drill if you push there for any time at all (or, translation for my UK friends, it will let the smoke out).... oh yeah, and if you put a 6 1/2 blade on the Milwaukie, I think your result would be different.
Wish I could have spoken to you before you bought that kit. Having sold tools for a few years I can tell you most companies put less quality, less expensive, less feature rich tools in those kits. Usually more money buying separately but also better tools.
As a contractor I bought many of my power tools in the '60's -'70's. Yes they are corded and heavier and metal and they all still work. Only my 7" Milwaukee grinder has needed to have the brushes replaced. These are old tools that have had the dickens worked out of them. Good luck to all of you with your new stuff or look at pawn shops and flea markets for the old Made in USA tools. Money better spent on a good generator.to plug the old tools into.
As a 67 year old house framer. I use a Skil 77. It is almost as old as I am. No brake. Safety comes from the user not the tool. As for the other tools, as a professional I would have done a thorough research, before pulling the trigger at the cash registrar. I love the Dewalt XR line. Sorry you got the wrong tools.
DeWalt's been using the XR branding for much longer than they've had any brushless tools, and I've never correlated brushless to their XR branding. In fact, I've always ignored their XR branding. I also don't think the brushed tools will die faster, I've never worn out a brush before some other component failed catastrophically. So I really only think the brushless is better from a low-speed torque and efficiency.
My first dewalt kit was xr labelled that was in 2002 so not only before brushless motors but before lithium batteries as far as I knew xr was the heavier duty version of everything and as for the brushes wearing out my first drill lasted 4 year during my electrical apprenticeship and seriously took like 30min to replace them then got another 2 years before the NiMH batteries just didn't hold enough charge
Doing maintenance on an apartment complex, that requires me to use my own tools, about 14 years ago ( for about 160$ )I bought a cheap set of Ryobi, and besides buying more pieces and 2 newer batteries, They just keep going. Everyone has their own preference and has their own pros/cons. Great video for those that don’t know about brushless-brushed motors though.
Hi Jesse, Here in the UK Dewalt has such a bad rep that I have not bought any of their tools for some time. I do have a Dewalt multi-tool but it is so weak it will not even cut material. I did some work for a friend, and they wanted to pay me but I don't work for money and declined. They went out and bought a bosh multi-tool. I was annoyed with them as I had already said that I did not want anything and at some point, I may need a hand on something and ask them. But I used the Bosh multi-tool and the difference was amazing, it cut through wood like it was cutting through butter. I have heard good reports from across the pond but here pure crap.
Sooo...you were expecting professional level tools from a kit that literally no professional would buy, that is clearly priced for value buyers... I think you have more problems than DeWalt lol.
These bundle sets are always going to be the low end version so fall the tools. Its common across all companies that they create a tool or 2 specifically for the kits and made as cheap as possible. These kits are targeted to the home users and attract those looking to save money that don't need Prosumer grade tools.
Less then two minuets in I can already tell you exactly what the issue is, over the last 5-8 years, Dewalt has focused their easily available large combo kits on weekend warrior, impulse buy, best value overall, types. Putting stepped down models of pretty much every tool in the kits. Which any person who does 15 minuets of research on the model numbers of the tools included would figure out. If you want the better tools (aka the the ones most stores sell individually) in a kit, you'll have to either go online, or go to a dealer store. Or just buy a different brand thats stayed focused on the professional user instead of trying to reach the average consumer market.
I was a Dewalt/Makita user until I replaced a drill with a bosch professional. This was following the random advice, given by a guy in the store who built decking for a living. I will never buy dewalt or makita again, I tell everybody I know to choose Bosch pro (blue power tools)
Brushed and brushless directly indicates the type of MOTOR. The battery does not enter into the consideration at all except for ~maybe a change in voltage required. Brushless tools ~might last longer in theory if both motors are equal in output power, but in practice, newer brushless motors are generally smaller and less capable and/or built with less longevity in mind. Good on you for bringing this bad marketing to our attention. DeWalt should be fined for misleading customers this way. I suggest you review AvE's video reviews and tear downs of popular power tools.
It wasn't misleading by dewalt xr has nothing to do with brushless tools the Dr range has existed since before there was brushless tools the only issue here is someone not paying attention to what they were purchasing all kits have clear labels of the model numbers of each tool in the kit so you could see the specs of every tool on their website
You mention AvE. If you have seen his videos then you would know the brushless last longer due to smarter electronics. They keep you (the user) from over heating the motor and from damaging the batteries. This is the reason most brushless tools come with far better manufacture warranties than the old tech. Older power tools needed to be more robust physically because you had to really on the user to not damage anything. Ever hold the trigger on a drill to use it as a Screwdriver?
I think he meant that if the motor is more efficient, the battery won't have to work as hard for the tool to develop the same power. My experience is that brushless motors can be half the size of the equivalent power brushed motor because the stator can conduct heat away from the coils.
"... newer brushless motors are generally smaller and less capable ..." I disagree ! Yes, brushless motors are smaller and lighter and consume less power from the same size battery, but are not "less capable". You have to understand that all power tools have gears and the gear RATIO is what is important. Brushless motors, by their nature, spin faster. This means they can be "geared down" more and provide more "power" delivered to the working end of the tool.
Wow something amazing just happened. Never before did a review of a product match so closely to my intention to buy it the same day as the review came out! Thanks Jesse, I will have to reconsider buying this set now. All the best, keep up the good work.
If you want to be honest BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF, 1st thing to look for is whether or NOT the packaging clearly says BRUSHLESS if it doesn't then DON'T assume it is brushless. Fault is with the CONSUMER and not the maker!
Def seen the crappy marketing tactics employed by these companies. I’m super picky so I always do due diligence before each purchase because they’re always trying to getcha somehow.
May not be what you expected but you failed to do anything other that look at the price then looked at the pretty pictures on the box .......not Dewalts fault you “assumed”.
I get your point here. I am not in the trades but I am more than a weekend warrior and I thoroughly abuse my cordless tools-such as dropping from a ladder to concrete!? My old Dewalts (12 & 18Volt) have performed well--still do today. The lithium 18 and 20volt machines I am still testing and not overly pleased. I too was hoodwinked with the kit form where i bought my reciprocating saw. That saw is a heavy power consumer, bought the additional larger battery for much more money and I still am dis-satisfied with the run-time. It is still better to take my Honda generator out into my property and use my corded Makita recip. I have good run time with my old 12 and 18 volt old-school products--plus--they progressively start running down near the end, which gives me warning, where the lithium simply STOP, which I find very annoying. I am 70 years old and work with tools every day, so I have a an appreciation for tools that work properly. I like your channel and the interaction of you 2 as a couple. -------Mikey
More important than brushless is RPM, Torque, 20 Volt batteries are not 20 volt under load is actually 18 under use, XR is a designation "extreme runtime" Only brushless tools are labeled brushless. they also have the worst warranty of their 3 year warranty only the first year covers parts and labor the final 2 years parts only you pay for labor. in the last 15 years there are only 2 brands that have not changed their battery platforms, Ridgid and Ryobi are able to use new batteries on the old tools, a big benefit to people who buy into a brand. Dewalt is very misleading, Built in USA "(with international parts) 20volts "fully charged, not under load 18volts nominal under load" 3 year warranty "parts and labor only first year, Parts only Year 2 & 3"
I hear that companies like Home Depot or Lowe’s have their own versions of, in this case DeWalt tools to sell. Specially designed for them. I guess it could be true or it’s maybe it’s just packaged for them!
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. I love my Dewalt flashlight. It completely illuminates to the back of our yard. The small one does not. I think it will depend on just what you are using it for. Keep up the good work though. I never miss an episode.
I quit buying Dewalt years ago. The replacement batteries were so expensive you can buy a lower grade complete tool set for the same price. I've actually have had longer life out of Ryobi and porter cable.
Note for reference the batteries in the kits have less amp hour power than the same batter you buy off the rack. This is from and engineering department of the major company that makes Milwaukee Rigid and Bosch and Riobi. But it is the same with the maker of Dewalt who is no longer Dewalt!
A little research goes along way for any consumer, ‘DeWALT’ is in reality StanleyBlack&Decker, my Next purchase will be either a hitachi, hilti, or makita
We need a new video to explain why you are again changing tool brands. If I recall correctly, you started this journey with Black and Decker cordless tools. Then you bought the Makita cordless drill and impact driver and you gave some justifications (and high praise) at that time for the new brand. Then you got Milwaukee cordless and I don't remember your doing any comparison/justification. Somewhere in there you bought the Makita, two battery, Beast, circular saw. Now you buy a Dewalt combo. Is there something missing with the Milwaukee lineup? Besides now having 3 (4 if you kept the B&D) brands of batteries to keep track of and replace over time, you have to keep 3 (4?) different chargers plugged in and ready, taking up more space than one brand would. How about a video about why you would want to go to 3 brands of tools/batteries/chargers? Makita doesn't have the full lineup of tools? Milwaukee coming up short (you seemed pretty proud of the Milwaukee in this video)? I didn't go with the best, but I have the Craftsman C3 (19.2) volt line up and did that because they had an extensive line of different tools, all using the same batteries, and I have acquired most of them over the years. The sticker with this choice is now that Sears sold the Craftsman rights to Stanley Black & Decker, they have gone to a different battery for their lineup, they say they will not support the C3 batteries, even with an adapter, and it is questionable how long I can get replacements through Sears. They also dropped all the C3 series tools, except a drill/driver and the 1/4" impact driver. I see some batteries are available on Amazon, so I may be able to replace batteries that die on me, but luckily the LI batteries seem to last a long time. So you end the video and we see Alisa (sp?) cleaning up the mess! I know she's a sweetheart, but really, you made it; why aren't you cleaning up?
You have to remember these tools are still better than ones from years past. I actually looked at a similar set around Christmas. All the model numbers are listed on the box. It's a big purchase. Do your research. Plus at the cost of the set it's really not a bad deal.
The 2ah battery is the bargain basement option for sure. Whenever possible I always go for the 4-5ah battery every time. More torque, screws, light or whatever. The trade is a bit of added weight. The Dewalt saw also has a thinner curf too if you measure so less material moved.
about 10 years ago or so I bought the 18 volt Dewalt XR set { way before brushless was even out } What does the XR mean on Dewalt? All tools come with upgraded features, superior ergonomics and use Lithium-Ion batteries. For extreme performance, step up to the XR ® series and get advanced electronics, extended runtime and faster application speeds. † DEWALT 20V MAX* vs. DEWALT 18V NiCad......you want Brushless look for it on the box
Dewalt has XR on alot of tools that are not brushless, so I wouldn't assume that XR means brushless, XR =, extra runtime not brushless. And does anyone ever use the side handle on a combi drill. I have a 36v Bosch sds, and I use the side handle all the time on that, but it's a much more powerful machine and heavier than a combi drill. At the end of the day it up to the concumer to check what your buying.
Dunno if anyone else pointed this out...but that circular saw in the kit is actually a left-side blade, as opposed to the "norm" of a right-side blade. To me, those make all the difference...makes it easier to see what you are trying to cut!
Also Dewalt, Craftsman and several other major brands are now made in CHINA.... its plain as day on the label.... My first cordless sets were made in the good ole USA , when those burned up after years of great service the replacements never held up as well ( and I never knew why ) until one day someone pointed that out to me....wow. Great tools are hard to come by anymore and why turn a good thing bad, especially pulling wool over a consumers eyes? Latest news is I switched to Rigid because they come with a lifetime replacement of the batterys and tools for the life that you own them ( have to register your products online ) where the normal battery life is 2 years for cordless tool this saves you a ton of money and if the tool ever dies you get a new one not refurbished ! The rigid tools are heavier ( metal gearboxes ) well made tools,
Watching this done my head in . Why would you buy this without some research on the model numbers clearly printed on the box . You cant blame them for you not knowing what your buying .
I never buy tools without opening the box or at least checking the model numbers (that are also written nenxt to the tools on this current box cover...) Most manufacturers have several varieties of similar tools with different qualityes so yeah... You have to check what model you need.
brushless is more of a marketing gimmick, you dont get much differance. All wired mains supply tools are brushed so this a non issue. You need to put a lot of hours into a tool to wear out the bushes on dewalt tools and when they do wear out the rest of the tool will be worn out aswell. This is my experience from using dewalt grinders and drills.
Jesse, you were surprised by consumer short hour life tools vs. professional long life tools? WHY? You are building a home, buy pro tools not consumer grade.
XR does not mean Brushless, It stands for Extreme Runtime. That is straight from Dewalts website. To me its not Dewalts fault, you seen XR (again which doesn't mean Brushless) and you assumed. Didn't read that box. Just sayin.
How do you figure XR stands for brushless. Dewalt XR has been around since long before their brushless stuff. All you need to do is look at the tools. It says nowhere on that packaging brushless. The brushless tools clearly state that they are brushless. I have all the same 20v max XR brushless tools and I knew when I was buying them why I was paying the higher price. I think you need to do your research. XR can be either brushed or brushless. I'll agree it can be confusing shopping for and comparing tools but they're not false advertising unless they say brushless and give you a brushed motor tool.
When are you going to install the siding on your house? What are you waiting for? Are you not worried about the OSB from your SIP panels being exposed to the weather?
Dewalt is deceptive about everything. My problem with Dewalt is the lack of quality in their motors and clutches and their poor customer service. I sold all my Dewalt cordless tools, and I will never buy their products again. Voltage and longevity are more important to me. As a Licensed Electrician, brushed tools are very adequate, but they have to be a minimum 18 volts. Anything less is only for homeowners. I have Ridgid and Milwaukee cordless tools now, and I am perfectly happy with them. I like one or maybe two battery systems at the most, no more.
And thats why I use Hitachi, now Metabo HPT, instead of Dewalt. Better tools, more features, better warranty. This is coming from over 20 years of building homes and using all sorts of brands. This is my opinion though.
A side note, brushed tools last quite well, and the "wear" is on the brushes that are a consumable that can be replaced at very low cost. And I've never worn out the brushes in a cordless tool yet. And any "hammer drill" in the same format as a normal cordless drill is a joke anyhow.
It would be interesting if you switched hands with the drills because your dominant hand would have more strength and could influence the comparison.Thanks for this video. Very informative.
I am not convinced this isn't more a big box DIY stores "special deal" than a DeWalt "special deal." So many times in the past I've seen similar "bait and switch" stripped-feature tools sporting excellent brand names at DIY stores just so that the combo pack looks like a great deal price-wise.The box stores want the stripped-feature tools to make the combo set sell, especially at Christmas. It's gotten so that I won't buy a tool I expect to last at a big box store, and certainly not in a combo box without doing a great deal of research. If I know I'm going to use a tool only once, I'll buy it at Harbor Freight. If I am going to use it for the rest of my life, I'll buy it online or at a local hardware store.
This is why I go thru an investigation period before buying any tool from any company. It's about the quality to me. It's about the profit to them. If one tool company or for that mater any company can make a stand out product at a decent price would probably put all the others out of business or at least make them more honest. For a long time I thought Craftsman was that company but I find their lack of caring about the customers and quality a bit of a put off. I have been wondering how any of the tool companies are staying afloat when harbor freight has come out with comparable tools for less money.
The flashlight is brushless
XR stands for “extreme runtime” not an indicator whether or not the motor is brushless. My regular dewalt impact driver is brushless but it’s not xr. Took a quick google search to find that.
XR does not and never has meant the the tool is brushless. XR tools came out long before the brushless tools were introduced. XR stands for extreme runtime. I will agree that those package deals do usually come with the cheaper models of the tools. If you are looking for good tools, you will rarely find them discounted. You get what you pay for. (Most of the time)
You bought something without doing your homework, you can't blame Dewalt for that.
Welcome to the club. I Sold Dewalt and B&D professional/Industrial many years ago and have been using Dewalt tools for years so I have decades of years of experience with them. They are great at marketing but, not so good at being honest. They make a good tool, as long as you get the tool you were looking for. Great video!
Anyone who buys a box load of tools, most that you already own, does not unpack them for over six months, never needed them in the first place, definitely shows that money is plentiful and decision making is questionable .......
XR is for extended run time. Bigger sized batteries, has nothing to do with motor design.
XR=Extreme Runtime
BL=BrushLess
I work for a commercial tool and fastener company. We have to continually educate workers thst the price point items (tools made to sell at a certain price), mostly in the big box stores, versus a tool made to do a certain job is NOT the same thing. Another concern you have not mentioned is the tiny 2 or 3 amp hour batteries that the big boxes sell. My company only sells 5 amp hour batteries. It is NOT Dewalt that is fooling you. It is the big box stores driving the tool companies to cheapen their tools, to keep the big boys happy. Leason learned, don't by from the big boxes if you are a professional. Lowes and Home Depot primary markets are homeowners. Don't get fooled, buy from someone who will ask questions and match you with the specific tool for the job your doing.
You bought an entry level diy discount kit and are comparing it to their premium trade tools, the model numbers are even on the side of e box, unfair to blame Dewalt for your mistake.
That's not fair. You make the mess and your pregnant wife cleans up and puts away for you. LOL!
Dewalt put XR on the batterys 20 years ago ! Extra Reserve power. Pay attention to the model numbers when you buy .
You do NOT want a grinder to immediately brake. Inertia of the wheel/brush/stone on the spindle would unscrew itself (and potentially become an abrasive frisbee ...)
So you're mad at DeWalt because you didn't do your research??? I'm quite sure XR means Extended Run. They have been using that branding since long before they even made brushless tools with the XRP (extended run pack) batteries.
Most of these tool companies have atleast 4 versions of one thing. For example milwakee has brushed, brushed fuel, brushless, brushless fuel. Dewalt has brushed, brushed XR, brushless, and brushless XR. It can be easy to be deceived especially when buying a kit or combo set
I use Dewalt power tool. There are many different combos and options. That's why you always read the box to see what you are getting!
I ALWAYS research the snot out of tools before I buy. I learned that an emotional buy gets paid for more than once. So double takes get photographed to go home and see just what it really is. Kits are for beginners.
XR does not mean brushless.
XR doesn't mean brushless, it means extra runtime
I've been watching the house build on and off for a long time now and can never shake the feeling Jesse is just discovering tools for the first time.
I think it's safe to say that Jessie isn't going to get sponsored by DeWalt anytime soon!
The tool model numbers of are all clearly showed right on the packaging. I think what you mean when you say "..not the tool I thought I was buying.." you mean: "..not the tool I WISHED I was buying.."
Coming from a generation before you I see why your hooked on cordless but for me appreciate power saws and certainly don't mind a cord with endless use.
Batteries in most products are a pain as my cellphone reminds me daily. I think that we have become hooked on freedom from being attached but we should not forget from where we have come.
Love the thought and challenge you pose and yes what bothers me most, as you have said, is being deceived.
Kudos to you for patience and thourough testing.
That 1/2 hour saved me hours and hours trawling through various websites, thanks. I worked with the guys in construction on Vikings tv show for years. It was almost always 50% Dewalt 50% everything else put together, lots of yellow. Every day they debated the merits of their choices. The oldest tools tended to be Bosch and Festool so that is a test we rarely get results on. Dark green tools tended to get knocked into the water a lot so I presume its the same everywhere else too. Black & Decker more often than not found in bins (not a personal opinion but that's where i saw them). people tend to stay loyal to whatever brand they choose and people who use Hitachi seemed to be always trying to convert everyone else. Milwaukee users tended to tell you their old one was much better. Oh and Dewalt tools always seemed to be relatively new. I dont know if that means anything like they dont last or they keep bringing out upgrades or baybe even they are yellow so you can see them instead of kick them.
Big lesson: Never do "impulse buys" its expensive and you never get what you really wanted. It pays to research first and buy only what you researched and really wants.
I betcha if you had read the box and ratings this would not have happened. It's up to the consumer to do the homework.
Dewalt has put these kits together to give more items to a consumer for the price that works for them.
I buy my dewalt tools individually from a dealer here in PA. Getting exactly what I wanted.
Yup. Agreed. I also have 1 or 2 non yellow tools as the other offerings I felt we're better even giving up the 1 battery convenience.
I was thinking the same thing. Buying a multi-kit is for people who more rarely use them, and dont need the power of quality tools. If you use tools on a regular basis, you buy them one at a time!
I tell everyone never buy the kits just buy the tool with a battery cause you do get the good one that way. They always give a mix of new tools and old out dated ones.
No different then buying a John Deere mower from Home Depot or Lowe’s and going to a John Deere dealer. There is more then a price difference at the box stores. Cheaper motors and overall cheaper made product then at a dealer. Get what you pay for...
My wife wouldn't allow tool testing in the living room. 😃
mark johnson Use the kitchen table, grinding and sanding will get you yelled at, I consider that A Spice of Life bonus lol, ie.been married 45 yrs.
Wasn’t that the kitchen
They're kitchen utensils now
Thank you for this video, we're getting tools together to start our own home build, and wasting money isn't in the budget. We will certainly be much more careful from now on when buying any tools.
something else to consider on the hammer drill - without the handle, you'll put your hand on the heel to help push.... which is where the fan and cooling vents are located. It WILL burn up the drill if you push there for any time at all (or, translation for my UK friends, it will let the smoke out).... oh yeah, and if you put a 6 1/2 blade on the Milwaukie, I think your result would be different.
Wish I could have spoken to you before you bought that kit. Having sold tools for a few years I can tell you most companies put less quality, less expensive, less feature rich tools in those kits. Usually more money buying separately but also better tools.
As a contractor I bought many of my power tools in the '60's -'70's. Yes they are corded and heavier and metal and they all still work. Only my 7" Milwaukee grinder has needed to have the brushes replaced. These are old tools that have had the dickens worked out of them. Good luck to all of you with your new stuff or look at pawn shops and flea markets for the old Made in USA tools. Money better spent on a good generator.to plug the old tools into.
As a 67 year old house framer. I use a Skil 77. It is almost as old as I am. No brake. Safety comes from the user not the tool. As for the other tools, as a professional I would have done a
thorough research, before pulling the trigger at the cash registrar. I love the Dewalt XR line. Sorry you got the wrong tools.
Okay, it is the apprentice's tool kit. He replaces them as he wears them out with serious stuff.
If you think a deal is too good to be true then it usually is.
DeWalt's been using the XR branding for much longer than they've had any brushless tools, and I've never correlated brushless to their XR branding. In fact, I've always ignored their XR branding. I also don't think the brushed tools will die faster, I've never worn out a brush before some other component failed catastrophically. So I really only think the brushless is better from a low-speed torque and efficiency.
My first dewalt kit was xr labelled that was in 2002 so not only before brushless motors but before lithium batteries as far as I knew xr was the heavier duty version of everything and as for the brushes wearing out my first drill lasted 4 year during my electrical apprenticeship and seriously took like 30min to replace them then got another 2 years before the NiMH batteries just didn't hold enough charge
Plus it is 7 bucks for new brushes most of the time...and they are easy to change
Doing maintenance on an apartment complex, that requires me to use my own tools, about 14 years ago ( for about 160$ )I bought a cheap set of Ryobi, and besides buying more pieces and 2 newer batteries, They just keep going. Everyone has their own preference and has their own pros/cons. Great video for those that don’t know about brushless-brushed motors though.
My husband has some of everything, and he got a cheap set of Ryobi too several years ago that he has been super happy with.
Hi Jesse, Here in the UK Dewalt has such a bad rep that I have not bought any of their tools for some time. I do have a Dewalt multi-tool but it is so weak it will not even cut material. I did some work for a friend, and they wanted to pay me but I don't work for money and declined. They went out and bought a bosh multi-tool. I was annoyed with them as I had already said that I did not want anything and at some point, I may need a hand on something and ask them. But I used the Bosh multi-tool and the difference was amazing, it cut through wood like it was cutting through butter. I have heard good reports from across the pond but here pure crap.
Sooo...you were expecting professional level tools from a kit that literally no professional would buy, that is clearly priced for value buyers...
I think you have more problems than DeWalt lol.
These bundle sets are always going to be the low end version so fall the tools. Its common across all companies that they create a tool or 2 specifically for the kits and made as cheap as possible. These kits are targeted to the home users and attract those looking to save money that don't need Prosumer grade tools.
Less then two minuets in I can already tell you exactly what the issue is, over the last 5-8 years, Dewalt has focused their easily available large combo kits on weekend warrior, impulse buy, best value overall, types. Putting stepped down models of pretty much every tool in the kits. Which any person who does 15 minuets of research on the model numbers of the tools included would figure out.
If you want the better tools (aka the the ones most stores sell individually) in a kit, you'll have to either go online, or go to a dealer store.
Or just buy a different brand thats stayed focused on the professional user instead of trying to reach the average consumer market.
I was a Dewalt/Makita user until I replaced a drill with a bosch professional. This was following the random advice, given by a guy in the store who built decking for a living. I will never buy dewalt or makita again, I tell everybody I know to choose Bosch pro (blue power tools)
Brushed and brushless directly indicates the type of MOTOR. The battery does not enter into the consideration at all except for ~maybe a change in voltage required. Brushless tools ~might last longer in theory if both motors are equal in output power, but in practice, newer brushless motors are generally smaller and less capable and/or built with less longevity in mind. Good on you for bringing this bad marketing to our attention. DeWalt should be fined for misleading customers this way. I suggest you review AvE's video reviews and tear downs of popular power tools.
It wasn't misleading by dewalt xr has nothing to do with brushless tools the Dr range has existed since before there was brushless tools the only issue here is someone not paying attention to what they were purchasing all kits have clear labels of the model numbers of each tool in the kit so you could see the specs of every tool on their website
You mention AvE. If you have seen his videos then you would know the brushless last longer due to smarter electronics. They keep you (the user) from over heating the motor and from damaging the batteries. This is the reason most brushless tools come with far better manufacture warranties than the old tech. Older power tools needed to be more robust physically because you had to really on the user to not damage anything. Ever hold the trigger on a drill to use it as a Screwdriver?
I think he meant that if the motor is more efficient, the battery won't have to work as hard for the tool to develop the same power. My experience is that brushless motors can be half the size of the equivalent power brushed motor because the stator can conduct heat away from the coils.
"... newer brushless motors are generally smaller and less capable ..." I disagree ! Yes, brushless motors are smaller and lighter and consume less power from the same size battery, but are not "less capable". You have to understand that all power tools have gears and the gear RATIO is what is important. Brushless motors, by their nature, spin faster. This means they can be "geared down" more and provide more "power" delivered to the working end of the tool.
Wow something amazing just happened. Never before did a review of a product match so closely to my intention to buy it the same day as the review came out! Thanks Jesse, I will have to reconsider buying this set now.
All the best, keep up the good work.
If you want to be honest BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF, 1st thing to look for is whether or NOT the packaging clearly says BRUSHLESS if it doesn't then DON'T assume it is brushless. Fault is with the CONSUMER and not the maker!
Def seen the crappy marketing tactics employed by these companies. I’m super picky so I always do due diligence before each purchase because they’re always trying to getcha somehow.
The two kits on Amazon have a $1000 difference. That changes the balance quite a bit
XR is dewalt's branding of batteries not tools.
Then why are some of their cordless tools labeled "XR"?
I literally ordered one of these kits today. Haha. For the type of job I am planing on doing I think it’s fine any ways.
You wont need them, you dont build anything anymore
May not be what you expected but you failed to do anything other that look at the price then looked at the pretty pictures on the box .......not Dewalts fault you “assumed”.
@Jessie / you bought a box of new tools and didn't open it til 6 months later ???? that's just wrong ;-)
I get your point here. I am not in the trades but I am more than a weekend warrior and I thoroughly abuse my cordless tools-such as dropping from a ladder to concrete!? My old Dewalts (12 & 18Volt) have performed well--still do today. The lithium 18 and 20volt machines I am still testing and not overly pleased. I too was hoodwinked with the kit form where i bought my reciprocating saw. That saw is a heavy power consumer, bought the additional larger battery for much more money and I still am dis-satisfied with the run-time. It is still better to take my Honda generator out into my property and use my corded Makita recip. I have good run time with my old 12 and 18 volt old-school products--plus--they progressively start running down near the end, which gives me warning, where the lithium simply STOP, which I find very annoying. I am 70 years old and work with tools every day, so I have a an appreciation for tools that work properly. I like your channel and the interaction of you 2 as a couple. -------Mikey
More important than brushless is RPM, Torque, 20 Volt batteries are not 20 volt under load is actually 18 under use, XR is a designation "extreme runtime" Only brushless tools are labeled brushless. they also have the worst warranty of their 3 year warranty only the first year covers parts and labor the final 2 years parts only you pay for labor. in the last 15 years there are only 2 brands that have not changed their battery platforms, Ridgid and Ryobi are able to use new batteries on the old tools, a big benefit to people who buy into a brand.
Dewalt is very misleading, Built in USA "(with international parts)
20volts "fully charged, not under load 18volts nominal under load"
3 year warranty "parts and labor only first year, Parts only Year 2 & 3"
Where did you get the idea that XR means ‘brushless’?
Nice vid though
16:14 there's no need to tighten the nut that tight. Just past Finger tight works fine. The tool running with tighten it more.
Thank you this was useful info. When I go looking at tool it is really easy to be overwhelmed this will help me next time.
I hear that companies like Home Depot or Lowe’s have their own versions of, in this case DeWalt tools to sell. Specially designed for them. I guess it could be true or it’s maybe it’s just packaged for them!
Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. I love my Dewalt flashlight. It completely illuminates to the back of our yard. The small one does not. I think it will depend on just what you are using it for. Keep up the good work though. I never miss an episode.
It appears to me, you got exactly what you paid for, with no deception on Dwalt's part. Your expectations were at fault.
I quit buying Dewalt years ago. The replacement batteries were so expensive you can buy a lower grade complete tool set for the same price. I've actually have had longer life out of Ryobi and porter cable.
Jesse plays, Alyssa gets to clean up afterwards. That's dedication.
xr just means extended run time, not brushless... brushless means brushless
Note for reference the batteries in the kits have less amp hour power than the same batter you buy off the rack. This is from and engineering department of the major company that makes Milwaukee Rigid and Bosch and Riobi. But it is the same with the maker of Dewalt who is no longer Dewalt!
A little research goes along way for any consumer, ‘DeWALT’ is in reality StanleyBlack&Decker, my
Next purchase will be either a hitachi, hilti, or makita
We need a new video to explain why you are again changing tool brands. If I recall correctly, you started this journey with Black and Decker cordless tools. Then you bought the Makita cordless drill and impact driver and you gave some justifications (and high praise) at that time for the new brand. Then you got Milwaukee cordless and I don't remember your doing any comparison/justification. Somewhere in there you bought the Makita, two battery, Beast, circular saw. Now you buy a Dewalt combo. Is there something missing with the Milwaukee lineup? Besides now having 3 (4 if you kept the B&D) brands of batteries to keep track of and replace over time, you have to keep 3 (4?) different chargers plugged in and ready, taking up more space than one brand would. How about a video about why you would want to go to 3 brands of tools/batteries/chargers? Makita doesn't have the full lineup of tools? Milwaukee coming up short (you seemed pretty proud of the Milwaukee in this video)?
I didn't go with the best, but I have the Craftsman C3 (19.2) volt line up and did that because they had an extensive line of different tools, all using the same batteries, and I have acquired most of them over the years. The sticker with this choice is now that Sears sold the Craftsman rights to Stanley Black & Decker, they have gone to a different battery for their lineup, they say they will not support the C3 batteries, even with an adapter, and it is questionable how long I can get replacements through Sears. They also dropped all the C3 series tools, except a drill/driver and the 1/4" impact driver. I see some batteries are available on Amazon, so I may be able to replace batteries that die on me, but luckily the LI batteries seem to last a long time.
So you end the video and we see Alisa (sp?) cleaning up the mess! I know she's a sweetheart, but really, you made it; why aren't you cleaning up?
You have to remember these tools are still better than ones from years past. I actually looked at a similar set around Christmas. All the model numbers are listed on the box. It's a big purchase. Do your research. Plus at the cost of the set it's really not a bad deal.
The 2ah battery is the bargain basement option for sure. Whenever possible I always go for the 4-5ah battery every time. More torque, screws, light or whatever. The trade is a bit of added weight. The Dewalt saw also has a thinner curf too if you measure so less material moved.
XR means nothing about whether the motor is brushless or not, just weather its part of their interchangeable battery system
about 10 years ago or so I bought the 18 volt Dewalt XR set { way before brushless was even out } What does the XR mean on Dewalt?
All tools come with upgraded features, superior ergonomics and use Lithium-Ion batteries. For extreme performance, step up to the XR ® series and get advanced electronics, extended runtime and faster application speeds. † DEWALT 20V MAX* vs. DEWALT 18V NiCad......you want Brushless look for it on the box
Dewalt has XR on alot of tools that are not brushless, so I wouldn't assume that XR means brushless, XR =, extra runtime not brushless. And does anyone ever use the side handle on a combi drill. I have a 36v Bosch sds, and I use the side handle all the time on that, but it's a much more powerful machine and heavier than a combi drill. At the end of the day it up to the concumer to check what your buying.
Dunno if anyone else pointed this out...but that circular saw in the kit is actually a left-side blade, as opposed to the "norm" of a right-side blade. To me, those make all the difference...makes it easier to see what you are trying to cut!
Also Dewalt, Craftsman and several other major brands are now made in CHINA.... its plain as day on the label.... My first cordless sets were made in the good ole USA , when those burned up after years of great service the replacements never held up as well ( and I never knew why ) until one day someone pointed that out to me....wow. Great tools are hard to come by anymore and why turn a good thing bad, especially pulling wool over a consumers eyes? Latest news is I switched to Rigid because they come with a lifetime replacement of the batterys and tools for the life that you own them ( have to register your products online ) where the normal battery life is 2 years for cordless tool this saves you a ton of money and if the tool ever dies you get a new one not refurbished ! The rigid tools are heavier ( metal gearboxes ) well made tools,
You had your Pregnant wife clean up after you, that had to cost you lol Great video.
Watching this done my head in . Why would you buy this without some research on the model numbers clearly printed on the box . You cant blame them for you not knowing what your buying .
Jesse your such a genntleman , leaving the mess for poor Alyssa to clean up.
I never buy tools without opening the box or at least checking the model numbers (that are also written nenxt to the tools on this current box cover...) Most manufacturers have several varieties of similar tools with different qualityes so yeah... You have to check what model you need.
Unfortunately Dewalt build substandard tools just for a Home Depot, always better to buy on Amazon and compare the individual model number
brushless is more of a marketing gimmick, you dont get much differance. All wired mains supply tools are brushed so this a non issue. You need to put a lot of hours into a tool to wear out the bushes on dewalt tools and when they do wear out the rest of the tool will be worn out aswell. This is my experience from using dewalt grinders and drills.
Jesse, you were surprised by consumer short hour life tools vs. professional long life tools? WHY? You are building a home, buy pro tools not consumer grade.
XR does not mean Brushless, It stands for Extreme Runtime. That is straight from Dewalts website. To me its not Dewalts fault, you seen XR (again which doesn't mean Brushless) and you assumed. Didn't read that box. Just sayin.
How do you figure XR stands for brushless. Dewalt XR has been around since long before their brushless stuff. All you need to do is look at the tools. It says nowhere on that packaging brushless. The brushless tools clearly state that they are brushless. I have all the same 20v max XR brushless tools and I knew when I was buying them why I was paying the higher price. I think you need to do your research. XR can be either brushed or brushless. I'll agree it can be confusing shopping for and comparing tools but they're not false advertising unless they say brushless and give you a brushed motor tool.
When are you going to install the siding on your house? What are you waiting for? Are you not worried about the OSB from your SIP panels being exposed to the weather?
Dude. Return it all!
i thought XR was "Extreme Runtime"....
Sorry, XR has never meant "Brushless" - XR = Extended Runtime
Dewalt is deceptive about everything. My problem with Dewalt is the lack of quality in their motors and clutches and their poor customer service. I sold all my Dewalt cordless tools, and I will never buy their products again. Voltage and longevity are more important to me. As a Licensed Electrician, brushed tools are very adequate, but they have to be a minimum 18 volts. Anything less is only for homeowners. I have Ridgid and Milwaukee cordless tools now, and I am perfectly happy with them. I like one or maybe two battery systems at the most, no more.
Awesome video! Your comparisons are spot on! Thanks so much for explaining these is such great detail and putting them to the test!
but the toolbox still makes a perfect bedside table!
And thats why I use Hitachi, now Metabo HPT, instead of Dewalt. Better tools, more features, better warranty. This is coming from over 20 years of building homes and using all sorts of brands. This is my opinion though.
Rookie dewalt xr has been out for years well before brussless dewalts were about. you just got trapped by a lack of research and a good price
A side note, brushed tools last quite well, and the "wear" is on the brushes that are a consumable that can be replaced at very low cost. And I've never worn out the brushes in a cordless tool yet. And any "hammer drill" in the same format as a normal cordless drill is a joke anyhow.
It would be interesting if you switched hands with the drills because your dominant hand would have more strength and could influence the comparison.Thanks for this video. Very informative.
I am not convinced this isn't more a big box DIY stores "special deal" than a DeWalt "special deal." So many times in the past I've seen similar "bait and switch" stripped-feature tools sporting excellent brand names at DIY stores just so that the combo pack looks like a great deal price-wise.The box stores want the stripped-feature tools to make the combo set sell, especially at Christmas. It's gotten so that I won't buy a tool I expect to last at a big box store, and certainly not in a combo box without doing a great deal of research.
If I know I'm going to use a tool only once, I'll buy it at Harbor Freight. If I am going to use it for the rest of my life, I'll buy it online or at a local hardware store.
This is why I go thru an investigation period before buying any tool from any company. It's about the quality to me. It's about the profit to them. If one tool company or for that mater any company can make a stand out product at a decent price would probably put all the others out of business or at least make them more honest. For a long time I thought Craftsman was that company but I find their lack of caring about the customers and quality a bit of a put off. I have been wondering how any of the tool companies are staying afloat when harbor freight has come out with comparable tools for less money.
I’m a die hard Rigid guy. They’re warranty is great! (Though the DeWalt Flexvolt system has me thinking....)
Buyer beware. (Why didn't you use the same blade on both the Milwaukee and the DeWalt? The larger blade on big red waa a huge handicap)
This was really helpful. Thank you!💗
Still using my old ass Hitachi brushed drill. Half falling apart but man it goes forever.