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Is GE Sabotaging Tejas Mk1A ?
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AAJ SABKO KAVERI KI IMPORTANCE SAMAJH AA RAHEE HOGI 😢😢
Sab ko importance pata thi. HAL failed India. After decades and billions of rupee it failed to develop a good engine.
Billion of rupees is nothing. a engine program needs billion of dollers 😂😂😂😂😂@@indianabroad4530
@@indianabroad4530 billions of rupees me tumko engine technology mil jayega, yahan dusre desh billions of dollar lagaye hai us technology ko master karne ke liye aur inko bina koi testing facility, proper R and D support ke jet engine bana lenge.Govt. ko continuously billions of dollar invest karna hoga R and D , infrastructure aur testing facility mein jet engines ki technology gain karne ke liye.
@@indianabroad4530hal was not making the engine,GTRE was.
@@indianabroad4530 Ab agar govt privatisation ki baat kare toh opposition haai tauba haai tauba karegi... 🤦🏻🤦🏻
Govt desh bech Rahi hai bolna suru kar denge.... 🤔🤔
If GE is really responsible then they shouldn't manufacture engines for AMCA. Also Gripen shouldn't be chosen for MRFA because they also use GE F414 engines
Okay, even if they are responsible, then what? For who is this order priority? If HAL and IAF had a will they would find a way but they care about their pockets. Kaveri engine would have been the missing puzzle
@@amolshinde9776 ekdm shi...jitna jaldi samjhoge utna accha... ye bhadwe US hain , Uspe trust karna life ki sabse badi galti hoga
Correct… Grippen also has a US engine. The primary reason Grippen and its predecessor didn’t ever succeed in india has been the source of its engine.
GE esp American's are known to play politics and it is a huge burden and a blunder done by modi govt by going with American. If u want autonomy with political decision making them better stay away or else be their puppet like Japan,korea and other western countries. By blaming ge alone is not sensible like this youtuber is doing because hal esp dpsu always delays and can't blame them because that is what they have been doing all these years. Better we find alternatives.
When was gripen even an option ?😂😂😂
America bharose ke layak hi nhi😢us engine use nhi karna chahiye.
toh konsa karega
neither UK.
our options are French Safran engines ; Russian RD-33 ( we are already producing ) or any other Russian engines till an Kaveri -2 becomes ready.
@@pravindahiya719problem with russia and france is that they don't have 30 inches diameter engine for tejas. Smallest russian engine is 35 inches Rd33 and france have m88 but only 75kn. That is why only USA and UK were left for tejas engine🥲
We don't have choice to choose 😭😞
To engine tum lene Gaye the ya usa Dene aya tha ge ke har sal 2000 engine ke orders hote hai usa south korea turkey usme India garib 😂
Nothing like self reliance in defence manufacturing but we have to understand that the defence manufacturing eco system development takes atleast two decades to give the desired outcomes.
Self reliance is very important in defense sector because in case of war USA sanctions india if it's against there interests. Russia able to continue war till now because of self reliance
Yeah it takes a long time and patience and we should have it
Bhaii Saab
Billion dollar industry hai
Lobbying hai
Apne national political benefits hai
Aur people etni gehrai mei jaa nahi patey hai
Lekin Alpha Defense real scenario le k aai. Kudos 👏
Bohot himmat Ka kaam hai bhaii!!!!
Is our government going to learn from this and consider other options for AMCA and Mk2? Thats the question.
Imports have no guarantee. Every country can play delaying tactics with India. I think India needs to put a penalty clause in case of delay. That will increase accountability from foreign companies.
@@sumandutta4834yes, it should be part of deal.
I still don't know why govt is not developing Kaveri on war footing. It's sad that we are looking at shot term benefits over long term benefits
Now people who doubted kaveri will understand the importance of continuing the development process of that engine. The only way to attain strategic autonomy is through self reliance of the most important technologies.
It's okay if we fail once or twice or thrice but we should not stop developing that particular technology. A lot of taxpayer money is wasted in bogus programs and in the scenerio of development where R&D is involved nothing is wasted. Even if the program is not succeed, i.e. , not fulfilling the required benchmarks still it provides us with a bunch of expertise and knowledge. Therefore nothing is a failure and our government should aim to develop engine in 3 categories self reliantly of 85- 90 kN , 95-100kN and 110-115 kN.
Yes due to geopolitics.
In short, if we want to develop something on our own , it is crucial to keep US away from it. We can clearly see GE delaying supply of F404 engines and supplying junk engines to hinder our Tejas programe
It is crucial to put a penalty clause in every contract when undertaking such a project.
Now people will understand why funding was required for R&D for Kaveri engine program
पहले भी अमेरीका ने क्रायोजनीक इंजीन के लिए भारत पे सँक्शन डाले थे लेकिन खुदका इंजीन बनाके भारत ने अपनी स्पेस मिशन आगे बढाई आज भी तेजस के इंजीन के लिए रोडे अटका रहे है देर हो लेकिन भारत खुदका कावेरी इंजीन डेवलप करके दुनिया के आगे बढेंगे❤🇮🇳
Russia ne fir bhi di thi technology. Nambi narayan sir ne apni book me bataya he poora secret mission. PM level ka mission tha. Aap padhiye us baare me. Islie kaveri me bhi help chahie hame.
Without usa technology koi bhi engine nahi ban sakta Russia khud usa ki technology use karta hai even cpu GPU bhi
@@RaviSing-zy7qu😂😂🤣
@@RaviSing-zy7qu abe o🤣 engine me CPU GPU🤣🤣
@@RaviSing-zy7qu भारत के खिलाफ जितनी विपरीत परीस्थीत पैदा की जाती है उतनाही और निखरके भारत आगे बढता है
Why government still not investing in test facilities like high altitude test facility and flying test bed i think it is high time government should invest in this and maybe it could reduce the time which is speculated to be a decade to 6-7 years for Kaveri engine to be certified.
concentrate on solutions not the problem, problems will always crop up, we need to find ways to overcome the challenges...
Bilkul sahi bhai sab HAL ko blame karte hai jabki problems imported parts aur air force ke regular changes ki vajah se ho ri hai. Jaanbujh ke import lobby indegineous products ko dabati hai aur bekar declare kar deti hai. Govt bhi kam ni hai ADA me retired govt employees ko re-engage kia ja ra hai. Kya desh me engineers ki kami hai jo retired logo ko hire kia ja ra hai. Jo young log hire kie jate hai vo contract pe hire kie jate hai bhot kam salary me. Aaplog khud ADA aur HAL ke recruitment check karo. Koi inpe baat ni karega lekin sab bas HAL ko blame karege kyuki vo easy hai.
In Oct, 2023 HAL chief said first lot of Tejas mk1A will be delivered in Feb, 2024 without engine😊
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Air force can fly Tejas without engine
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Because GE said that after few months delay f404 engine delivery will start november 2023. As subodh said, you people only have to defend USA and blame HAL with ignorance
@@Vartik-jr4qr In feb, 2024 Tejas mk1A took first flight without engine because GE couldn't deliver it🥲
@@Vartik-jr4qr In fact HAL doesn't have a single engine out of 75 predelivered F404 engines to deliver a single mk1A😊
High time the Kaveri is brought back and the program put on "Utmost Priority" List.
Haan theek hai, we will have an underpowered engine initially, that should be impetus to work hard and develop it even more .
Look at the Chinese. They are also having problems with their engines but they are not quitting.
The WS10 for instance isn't a Rolls Royce or GE 414, but they are working on it constantly and it is getting better.
Why can't we do the same?
Why does it always have to be the most finished product all the time that the Army and Airforce want?
Bottom line there is no alternative to Atmanirbharta.
This is the most accurate and reliable channel for Indian defense tech. The other channels are behind by a country mile.
Very good analysis... Keep the good job going.
India should expedite its plan to have another engine option for tejas fighters, can collaborate with France also to producer a 90kn engine
India should revive Cauvery engine programme. For future aircraft programs
The price of DEPENDING on America.
Yes
And we was waisting time in production Tejas MK1
We should concentrate on Mk2 with F414 and speed up of production.
15 saal pehle agar humne Kavery ka funding jari rakha hota toh aaj functioning engine hota hamare paas... Par import import karnewallo ke karan hum US ke saamne haat phailane ko majboor hai...
ई तो साला होना ही था
When we were singing this deal with US I said we can't trust them, for their benefit they will pull this kind of stunt and see what's going on.
It's high time to revive Kaveri and pour billions to make that engine running.
Rolls Royce & Euro Typhoon - Will favour India in FTA talks too.
Always Precise & to the point information!! Thanks Bro!!
one more reason to make kaveri engine otherwise they will levarage this point we need to become atmanirbhar
Use rd-33 till time and make Tejas in huge numbers with same engine... by the time kaveri can be certified for single engine aircraft... this is the plan to achieve timely delivery of all tajas orders...
great punch....thats what we need to listen...
Kya engin change karne par airframe me bhi changes honge?i mean major changes if any.
Mig 29 ka rd 33 engines bharat me ban raha hai. Aur rd 33 ka thrust b ge 404 k samaan hai ,sirf engines k body aur Jo b avashyak badlaav karke iaf ka squadron strength ko aur girne se rok na avashyak hai. Baad me jab swadesh engines aaye, ya m88 ya ge ka engines ko replacement ki Tarah use karna chahiye.
Sir sahi baat boli he aapne ......good job
As always very practical and to the point analysis, always love to hear your analysis
Hope so !!!
Sir is there any Russian engine which can replace American engine? Is it possible to move to other options 🙏
Now if we want to go with other vendor like RR , Safran or Russian engines than we have go through 2-3 year process including testing and negotiations.
It is said fighter aircraft are designed around engines. If that's the case, would switching to a new engine require a major redesign and hence inevitably huge delays in the timelines ? Lesson we keep getting but refusing to learn is there's no alternative to indigenous options with all critical components sourced from within the country or stockpiled to serve the needs for the lifetime of the product.
Abhi achanak se news aayi ki Kaveri engine is ready tab inn sab ki fat ki flower ho jayegi😂
Starting 1 n half min broo ❤️ Dil jeet liya
@Alpha Defence, isnt LCA designed around GE F404? Wont other options from Safran/RR require major modification and long certification process for Tejas?
Some of the brightest minds in the country work in defence companies and isro at fraction of salary than they deserve.
Thank you for providing details on GE F404 engines supplied to India.
Sahi kha jaise mera Mama kitna bhi smjhau defence ke bare mein puri khnai krne ke baat wo Agniveer mein aake rukta hi... main usmein bhi rational baat krne ki koshish krta hu lekin jo than ke baith gye hi unhe mushkil he nahi namumkin hi
It is alleged that the Tejas programme was sabotaged right from 1983 and the setting up of ADA.
The way you have explained engine requirements is quite clear. Then to pre-empt this delay or arm twisting, why does HAL not call for engines in larger numbers, in advance. After all the IAF is intending to have a fleet of approximately 200 MK1A's. This would eliminate the delays and have adequate engines in stock for the entire MK1A current projected requirement. GE are hard core business oriented and for them not to take such a massive order of say 300 engines seriously would be unlikely.
Retired foreign engine experts should be hired to guide HAL for faster development of Kaveri engines.
This is the government to government deal that's why it's not Hal fault to delay
If a vendor is not ready then how come order of Airforce is accepted without capacity confirmation based on OEE /shift @80% efficiency😢.
Result of not taking the Kaveri project forward. The moment Kaveri project was de linked from the LCA project, this was to be expected. If these projects were not delinked, the Tejas programme was expected to be delayed. Now, also it's delayed due to relying on others. With Kaveri, at least we would have had our infrastructure.
Is it really GE which is doing the sabotage? Or is it US govt which is doing the sabotage?
GE is a private company, and doesn't concern itself with international politics. It's US govt which leans in different ways based on its foreign policy.
It's US...
Didn't GE say they were going to give TOT for these engines and allow for in house manufacturing? What happened to that?
Yes, the criticism and the practice of quoting unknown sources by the commentators point to the standard practice of a coordinated effort. These efforts are mostly well funded by resourceful parties.
People in leadership understand it.
You are right, we need to create options. US may be arm twisting India as US ambassador Garcetti hinted clearly in his speech.
We have to develop multiple sources and fund indigenous research consistently, not sporadically.
A segment of political, bureaucratic and military leadership have discouraged indigenous development in the past to serve their immediate objectives and they could be doing it even now.
But today’s India is lot more capable than it was in 1980s. Therefore, it’s going to be hard for the US to get its ways.
Anti Indian segment in Russian administration led by no other than the foreign minister Lavrov has also been subdued by the Ukrainian war. Therefore, developing a counterweight in Russia for American pressure is an approach in India’s national interest.
Unhoney pheley hi kaha thha ki engine ki supply dhirey hi hogi. Ager dum thha itney saalo sey apna bna letey isro ney tuo bna dala. Is project ko isro ko ab b dey do vo 4 sey 5vsaal mey hi usa sey b acchi technology bna dengey.
Twin engine tejas with 2 kaveri engines , enhanced payload and bigger size. Why can't anyone think of it.
Advance Mai inform engine ka order kyu nahi diya gya jab deal sign ho gyi thi 2 ya 3 saal phele tabhi hi order de Dena tha stock Mai surplus engine available hotte
Nice explanation bro ❤👍
Always go ahead with backup plan..... otherwise the result is before us
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Options mai SAAB GRIPEN NG zaroor include karna kyuki un logo ne 100% TOT offer Kara tha India ko
Vo tab he jab India unke jet kar re de ga
Aur gripen me jo engine he vo America he ha
एक देश सिर्फ एक इंजिन बना नही सके, बरी सरम के बात है।बात बात पr दुसरे पर निर्भर करना bora महंगा por roha है
Finally someone is talking about the real thing.
Bhai russi s.70 💣 bomber ke bareme kuch batao kuch news bol rahe he ki vo stealth he or ukren yudh me russ ne utara he use
Actual people actually who are also Indians and defence bloggers.. miserable fail to understand this... Or simply ignore this due to unknown reasons...
As you used to say, reality exists between both the extreams.
I hope this will be a concern only not a problem.
GE alone won't sabotage it but has been forced to by US government and I'm glad it's happening. It should be a wake up call for India to have its own engine and should have different manufacturers making them in India.
Aap video banao and explain karo
"Kese India 272 Sukhoi-30Mki purchase kar li but 114 Rafale order mei itna jhik jhik."
भारत सरकार को त्वरित गति से Safran और Rolls-Royce के साथ batchit करके अपने तेजस mk1a ,mk2 और amca के लिए इंजन डील की ओर बढ़ना चाहिए. जय हिन्द 🇮🇳 🇮🇳
जितनी भी तेज़ बात कर लो इंजन टेस्टिंग और डाटा कलेक्शन में ही दो साल चले जायेंगे। फिर एयरक्राफ्ट से इंट्रीगेशन में एक साल फिर टेस्टिंग और सर्टिफिकेशन में तो मल्टीपल एजेंसी आ जाती है। वहा 3 से 4 साल लग जायेगा।
Mk1A में सिर्फ़ सॉफ्टवेयर अपग्रेड का सर्टिफिकेशन 6 महीने बाद भी पूरा नहीं हो पाया। IAF HAL और दो सर्टीफाई एजेंसी है तो कुल 4 पार्टीज है।
Its possible. I mean Tejas was delayed by 10yrs because of US. Another US company directly resulted in bankruptcy of GoAir. I don't get, why don't we create proper contracts. If we had included penalty clauses in case of delays, this wouldn't have happened
Question: Why do you think India might not have a backup plan and is not talking to other engine manufacturers?
If you can think of it, ppl in the government can. Probably might already have anticipated when Russia-Ukrain war started.
Meanwhile JF-17 block 3 production is going at a calculated pace as 23rd Airframe of JF-17 was seen escorting the Aerbhaijan President.
Unbelibebal saar 😮
So if this the case,we are very near to September.We expect 20 aircrafts per year,now onwards from HAL.
Strategic blind and deafness. Great not all of us are mute and you have spoken out.
I am sure
Lagta hai Subodh bhai ka gala kharaab ho gya hai.
Acclimatization is on Leh is beautiful ;)
@@AlphaDefenseHindivlog milega ek?
@@AlphaDefenseHindi Sure is. Maze karo aap.
@@AlphaDefenseHindikya baat he subodh bhai, bharat bhraman par nikle ho kya, kuchh din pehle ram lala ke darshan aur ab leh
last kai salon se modi ne kaveri ko funding rok rakhi hai aur US se GE-414 ka faisla bhi modi ka hi hai, baki isme sarkai babu logon ko ilzam lagana bilkul galat hai, defence ministery ka interest na hone se hi uske under kam kane wale offices bhi slow hi kam karne lagte hain, so jab modi sarkar ka interest hi defence ko majboot karne ka nahin fir koi kuchh nahin kar sakta.😐😐😐😐😐
Bro India need make committee and investigat about why delays and problems with program
All the more reason to concentrate and fast-tracking development on indigenous Kaveri engine
Yes this is need of time.
Why India. Not make the jet engines we have to make more expenditure on R&D
Bhai, delays by GE is a way to keep INDIA HOOKED and punish India for its efforts on strategic autonomy. As this will keep IAF week and this will ensure our dependence on USA, we need to plead them to get engines and they will make us bow to their demand.
Subodhji kal Bangalore mei Tejas fly kr raha tha
Why Government is hesistating in reviving back Kaveri engine program?
🇮🇳 We should have Russian alternative to GE 404 engine for the future and it's available.
Will we ever stop blaming others for our very own incompetence.
YOU SAID IT. NOT ME. THE USA WANTS TO SELL F16 AND F15 TO INDIA.
Both RR and GE could do so for AMCA too
Are we sure that F 404 has been out of production and no F 404 has been supplied to any user in the last one or 2 years. Can we find out the list of f404 users and work back. I have doubts that GE has been supplying the engine to other users
For sure, that's what Most developed country's plan. "Support developing countries with War Tech but not 100% so they have to rely on the developed countries and the developed countries can control and steer other countries based on their need. That's why ATMANIRBHAR BHARAT is very crucial for India's development
Bilkul
We now are depending on USA or Nato. We delay the decisions a lot
In India everywhere stinks of greediness are present in every kind of decision-making processes - whether in government or in PSUs or in scientific labs or in government-private relationship or in conducting institutional exam etc., etc ..
Basically, Indian culture is based on greediness, hatred, and artificial (or selfish rather than selfless) spirituality.
Hal aur drdo jis se ek engine nahi banta. Zindabad.
People does Not understand, Every company ..even GE are there to make Profit earn money, Not run a Charity or Educational institute. No Company or Country will give this technology, be it GE, RR, French or Russians. The only option with Buying engine is to have multiple source... TILL you develop one on your own.
Kaveri 2 should be ready earliest
So you are saying there is no issue from GE side for supply of engines!
😅 sahi hai viewers ke nam par school college ke bachhe mile hue hai jese chahe wese brain wash karke apne failure ko defend kar lo, kyuki inhe abhi kya pata ki organisations kese work karti hai,
FA-50, grippen me bhi American engine hi use hota hai unke production me problem nhi
Jin engines ke naam tum le rhe ho wo USA ke allies use krte hai . USA ko in chote mote desho se koi khatra nhi ,agar ye usa ke against kuch krenge bhi to USA inhe daba dega jese wo hamesha krta hai . India ke case me wo aaj kal hume directly nahi daba pa rhe na to hum unke jada sun rhe hai ,to hume wo indirectly dabayenge jese ki engine delay krne,kuch important kharida hai to use delay karna,apne allies pe pressure bnane jess ki unhone germany ke sath kiya tha hamare arjun ke tanks ke engine rukwane me , pakistan ko paise aur weapons dene aid ke naam pe aur terrorists se larne ka naam par jo phir pakistani army terrorists ko dete hai hum par attack krne ke liye . Ham akele country nhi hai jiske sath USA asa krta hai.
There must have been a penalty clause related to delays on GE.
Sir koi bhi conversation hi start indeginous engine se honi chahiye
Jab power generation system ka apka khud ka nahi hai you will have this issue
US ne apni nature ke mutabik act kiya hai par US pe bharosa karne ki saari galti bharat ki hai.🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
Yes