You've just identified yourself as someone with no intelligence by using woke to the Google Robots who will now target you knowing that you're easily manipulated into these silly trends So they can make money from you
half the activists have no Aboriginal blood in them. and are total hypocrites, as ( to use their own definition ) they or their family's have invaded Australia themselves
Dr. Stephen Chavura is trying to place a positive spin on the dispossession of Aboriginal lands by British marines, convicts and squatters. He tells half truths. Yes , Govenor Arthur Phillip may have started as a good man, but he soon lost his moral compass and left Australia a sick man, on 10 Dec 1792.
@nomyafiftyonefifty8081 The first recorded landfall was by Dutch explorer Willem Jansz in his ship the Duyfken (little dove). It was Feb/Mar 1606 on the western side of Cape York.
Noone is blaming your ancestor or you so stop feeling guilty. Aborigines were dispossessed and they have never been recognised as first people of this land. I trust that you can agree to that truth. From there you can reflect on what that means and how you would go about recognising that right now. The past obviously means something to you as you speak of your ancestor. We cannot undo what was done but we can do things to lessen the pain. Eg we have already ensured that Aboriginal people had the right to vote. PS. Did you know that the legislation that would have followed a yes vote would have made sure that Aborigines did NOT have any more political power than any other person in Australia?
@@elizabethcooke8998 At the risk of sounding, realistic. Your self delusion is a very powerful force. I see loads of people making comfortable incomes from “helping” the Aborigines. Amongst this group of “race-problem solvers” who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public. It is known that far more than the average minimum wage is spent on each and every Aboriginal man, woman and child, and what do they have to show for it, very little that’s what. This “help” is done in an attempt to show us how noble and selfless the “helpers” think they are. Well I call BS on that, and wonder about the Aboriginals that have fallen by the wayside to satisfy a need to feel good. One good thing about the voice debate is that it shone a spotlight on the failures and rorts in the current system.
@elizabethcooke8998 that’s the world wide human history for you. Do you really think the government cares about these people? Do you think they give a rats about any of the other so called oppressed? They want control and how easy to get that than just create new category’s of the oppressed, knowing the human psychology of victimhood. Changing the language to cater for the oppressed and shame anyone who doesn’t go along with this with words ending with ist or an ism etc. As if that Mayo fella that seemed to appear out of thin air that no one knew anything about wasn’t installed as another talking head to just go along with whatever power grab to gain even more control. But don’t dare complain or you’re racist and a bigot
@@elizabethcooke8998 "The past obviously means something to you..." How do you get along with such a condescending attitude to people?
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Jancinta Price is a great example of what can be achieved if you work hard and not get bullied while growing up into a wasteful existence following the lead of the victim culture .
In my rural town, the local Aborigines do not spend their time with a chip on their shoulder. Their kids have a great time flying around on E scooters. They have embraced modernity and the good life it brings.
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@@deanpd3402 Yes as the Romans pushed the British into the new world by bringing technology from all over the globe with them to Britain and become more modern and powerful society that spread to the other parts of the globe including Australia .
It’s not just Jacinta. A majority of Australians alive today who have at least one aboriginal ancestor are doing fine. There are only a small number of aboriginal people who are victims of the welfare state who are in a bad way.
“What have the Romans ever done for us?!” [In my best John Cleese impersonation voice] Well, they gave us the alphabet. The alphabet we’re currently writing with, on TH-cam. 2,000 years later…
Time for some TRUTH TELLING , the first fleet had about 1400 people on 11 ships , half were convicts and the rest consisted of women , sailors and Royal Marines , Aboriginals are saying that the continent of Australia were invaded by 300-350 men , this also tells us and shows us that ABORIGINALS WERE NOT A NATION , they had no organization , no towns or cities , they were a mish mash of hunter gather tribes , speaking different languages having different cultures
Indeed, I never use the term 'First Nations People' - to become a nation requires a level of organisation, negotiation and agreement and usually some sort of written, legally binding, document - none of these things happened between aboriginal tribes- there was no conceptual understanding of 'nationhood' prior to European arrival.
I was about to put on like on until you said woke because that proves that you're just a mindless Google sheep that cant think for yourself, and every time you use that word you get identified as someone who is easily manipulated so Google can make money out of you
"The Life and adventures of William Buckley" the true story of an escaped white convict that lived 32 years with an aboriginal tribe. Why isn't this story taught in schools?????? Because pre-British settlement wasn't all beers and skittles.
Australia no longer teaches Australian history in our schools. There's nothing educational about Australia's educational system any longer. Best to be home schooled.
It could have been thst way if it was another conquering country. These ungrateful racist whingers are just plain money hungry whingers because they have been given SO MUCH and now Australians have had a gutfull of the one sided whingers, they don't like it.
@@stephenkirton9921 Most Aboriginal deaths were from exposure to European diseases. I recall learning that even common viral diseases like chickenpox were extremely deadly and infectious, so they spread and obviously were impossible to quarantine.
I was born in Britain, migrated to Australia (legally) when I was 13 and thus experienced the Australian history curriculum teaching a more balanced account of how the English/ Europeans came to this country. There was far less hatred spread at that time, only 20 years ago. Somewhere within the last 20 years this account of history and depiction of events has changed and the country is FAR worse off as a result. It feels very intentional and I can’t see how it is of benefit to anyone. The way forward is not this. There is hateful tension everywhere now. We can move forward together as a nation united but it won’t work if lies continue to be told
you didn't experience it as an indigenous person 20 years ago. sadly human nature is bigoted right across the board, as no side is innocent of wrong doing. not everyone in each culture is bad, but it's definitely there, even now.
@@garrymcdougall9481I do think that you're the one to prove him wrong. Totally agree with Liam. ALP and mix breed with idealists leftists have distorted history for their benefits
I agree. I have lived here all my life - born in 1960 and the aboriginals I went to school with and later worked with used to be just regular Aussies and no better or worse than everyone else. Somewhere in the 1990's the trouble makers started teaching them to be victims and to hate everyone else.
Said it before I’ll say it again. If you want to call it invasion day, then you also have to concede the aboriginal people were conquered and then you have to concede no one has ever cared what the loser thinks.
An invaded people cede all of their lands to the invader, yet they want to call White people’s arrival an invasion, yet, concurrently, we all stand on indigenous land. Both can’t be true.
...and fortunately- by the Providence of God - the British strove to work with the Indigenous people in the main, not against them nor by eradicating them totally.
@@fionaforward3358 according to her they were all very peaceful amongst different tribes and every time they ventured onto some other tribes land they got a welcome to country
The most disadvantaged indigenous people in modern Australia are the ones who still live on country (haven't been displaced) and still speak their native language (haven't been colonised). If poverty and disadvantage existed in Australia before the British arrived, how can you say that the British CAUSED the disadvantage? 🤔
@@ThaMassDebater either way they have a right to not be absorbed by the foreigners or cooperate with them. They have a right to both bliss and ignorance. They have all the rights and the foreigners don't unless the natives bestow rights upon them out of good will, not force. That's how being a good guest/refugee works.
@Magic-y8u Yes they do have a right to be blissfully ignorant but the gap in standard of living and entrenched generational trauma and poverty will continue to grow...🤔 Should these blissfully aware people then receive welfare benefits and other government/ tax payers funded supports? Was what you described how it worked when indigenous tribes invaded other indigenous tribes and committed genocide against each other before the British arrived?
@@ThaMassDebater I hope you realize that the natives are the lords of the land and everyone else is a refugee at best and an invader at worst. Pick your label but there's only two without a third. Either way change is the only constant in the universe and I'm sure the Australian government will soon have to leave both the natives and the refugees alone to live in peace. Remember there's no us and them there's only common people and corrupt people ruling them. Your quarrel and theirs is with governments controlled by private business interests.
Upgrade day! On Jan 26 day we celebrate advancing Australia 10,000 years into a modern human civilisation with medical advancements, technological marvels, environmental comforts, scientific discoveries and most importantly common law, the peaceful transition of democratic power and equal rights for all citizens under one true nation.
Yep 60,000 of years prior to the arrival, the greatest technological advancement was the boomerang, which probably happened by accident when a hunter threw a bent stick at an animal and killed it!
@@Tmbo-Man I can't believe how ignorant people are not understanding that as scientists find more evidence the timeline goes back . As for being dumb and useless people , you are very ignorant I'd like to see you last one day out where they live . Go on please tell me they didn't invent the wheel that's my favourite one
Here is something you might want to consider. The indigenous people before us on this land, managed the environment in a way that could sustain themselves for tens of thousands of years. In little more than 200 years, we Europeans have stripped and destroyed the environment beyond recognition to the point that we are changing the world's climate. So you tell me, who was "civilised" ? Who was the smarter? In any long term sense of the meaning, not us Europeans.
@ no they didn’t, they ate what resources they could find and when the resources got slim they moved onto to find other resources, no different from no other nomadic tribes in history. Sophisticated environmental management, my arse !
@ They were able to live off the land that's not necessarily sustaining it . Apparently Australia used to be covered in rainforest like other countries on the same latitude now look at it
Indigenous Australian's are calling Australia Day, Invasion Day and Survival Day. Indigenous Australians do not want to assimilate. All they want to do now, is created division in Australia.
Playing the victim card has worked very well for certain elements in the aboriginal community. Unfortunately pouring bucket loads of money only exacerbates the corruption within.
Yes, unfortunately, they treat each other terribly. The women and children suffer daily and are murdered by the hands of their own men. This is really a problem swept under the carpet. It’s all there if you google it. The money is not being used for the good.😢
I had an African-American tell me I should be ashamed for living on Australian aboriginal land . I said to him you live on Indian land what's the difference ? He got angry and said my people were bought here in chains we had no choice . I replied so were the Australians what's your point
Prime minister Keating called it the “arse end of the earth “. We we dumped in a netherworld. And our convict ancestors made this country great. That’s why all the migrants are breaking their necks for visas
… and here we have exhibit A ->@@garrymcdougall9481 👀 😂 Which reputable course did you study Gary? Did you hear Senator Jacinta Price is on her way to review Welcome to Country, Government spending on Indigenous communities, and a few other timely undertakings? 🙂
Britain Ended Slavery while no other country on planet Earth wanted to. Britain was the only nation to express disgust at slavery. The British Navy spent more money Ending Slavery then they EVER Made From It!. We should be teaching that in our Education System. Meanwhile there is still Slavery in The Middle East, Africa and Asia in 2025. Britain is the Greatest Nation On Earth! 🇬🇧🇦🇺
...unfortunately there were rouges who violated the law layed dien by London in regards to slavery. In the Kimberley slaves were used as well as sone Pacific Island being used as slaves to cut cane. Fast forward to today, the opportunities for Indigenous people to get ahead and have s godlike is largely in their court and 80% of Indigenous peopke are doing well, good or very good.
Let us also not forget that most Aboriginals were wiped out by the spread of disease, not "massacres". They had been isolated for so many thousands of years that their immune systems couldn't possibly recognize and fight against even common viruses like the flu, so exposure was inevitably deadly.
that also could be myth, the "smallpox blankets" story happened in the Americas, did it truly happen here too? their immune systems were likely very robust.
The thing about the privileges is a myth Only the white aborigines get the extra stuff that's where all the money goes not to the full bloods in the bush
Hear, hear. Giving excessive 'privileges' and special treatment to a group of society ends up weakening them: they become entitled (if they were not previously) and less able to function as a worthwhile contributing member of society, having been robbed of the requirement to become so. Thus such ploys serve only to weaken our civilization, our nation and being unjust as such, must really be considered as racism.
Should I still be in mourning for my great, great, great, great, great grandparents who were forcibly removed from their English/Scottish country lifestyles for mostly minor indiscretions and after a lengthy sea journey told to try and survive in a foreign undeveloped land with hostile inhabitants and then made to endure the same stolen children issue in greater numbers than the Aboriginal people went through. Should my family and others that have lived the same terrible past be lining up for compensation and revenge for our uncontrollable consequences and misgivings?
It is not about guilt. It IS about facts. Not just words. Actions first. And 'invade' is appropriate, unless you think Russia has a "Special Military Operation" and not a war.
@@garrymcdougall9481 well ukraine was a part of russia, half the people have russian heritage. also ukraine is a corrupt nation flirting with nato, also they have a written language and real history, so not even remotely the same.
@@brunetteXer ukraine was a part of russia ---sowhat?? half the people have russian heritage ---what is russian heritage? and how many of ukrainian heritage (hint, they ovrlap). ukraine is a corrupt nation (oh please, and russia is not??) flirting with nato --U is a sovereign state, they can join ANY organisation they want.
No, because whatever your ancestors endured, it would have been consequences of a well meaning government, right? So maybe your ancestors hyped their stories and it wasn't as bad as you describe
If the circumstances were the same, I agree. But you are neatly forgetting two things: the 300000 to 700000 indigenes killed by Europeans, and 2. the present living conditions of indigenes, including an 18 year gap in life expectancy. Care to swap places???
Whether the current “narrative” likes it or not, “Australia” was going to be brought into the “modern” age. I’d say it was probably fortunate, that it was the British. Who claimed it just before the Spanish, and the Dutch were also exploring for “new” territories also as they were all looking for the “Great Southern Land”. At that time the world was shrinking from a vast under explored planet, into the current age. Somebody was going to claim this country, it was always going to be brought into the present age, to pretend anything different is just delusional, if you took away our defence forces now, “Australia” would get taken by whoever could get their troops here first. This is a very mineral rich land and many eyes, wish they could have it.
65 thousand years the abos did nothing 230 years Europeans changed the world god bless the Anglo Celtics for coming to Australia and saving it Australia 🇦🇺
@@Seagulligus Reality of expansionism is the world would not have left this piece of natural resources rich continent alone. Let that sink in. Its either us or them.
@@Seagulligus And I bet that you have a mobile phone ,tv, car and get all the benefits that the Brits bought here , if you are so concerned with the advances that colonization has bought nothing is stopping you from going back out bush and giving up all the welfare and benefits that we have destroyed the country with
And they sold a lot of their land to the settlers for trinkets. The American Indians sold the island of Manhattan for trinkets. The value you put on a product is your loss or gain
Australia isnt a country, it's a continent. Just like Africa and Africans, the Indigenous are ethnically almost the same but different cultures and languages.
@@Krutchly My children learned at school the so called history of the so called traditional owners, they came here and killed off the original inhabitants which was apparently pygmy's, anyway, just like most countries people came from somewhere else.
You were pretty much stuck between a rock and a hard place if you were a convict. There is one story that my family knows. Where a farmer had some convict farm hands. He told the convicts to guard or keep an eye on the sheep. The farmer goes to town and the Aboriginals turn up and start killing the sheep. So the convicts killed the Aboriginals. When the farmer returned he found that the convicts had killed the aboriginals and he had the convicts hung. There is another story where a family went to town and left their elderly grandfather? at the house. When they returned the Aboriginals had cut the old man's head off and put it in the oven. Where it was found when the family returned. They did not find his body?
See, I bet this sort of stuff happened alot more than just 1 story, but no one wants to talk about it. Not to mention the women and children that were assaulted as a result of backlash etc
@@UnHuman1981 Something to think about: cattle, sheep & horses are not native to Australia. Think about the cost of one beast, and how long it would take to replace. Then think about your survival in an absolutely hostile land.
@@ajakz2561 I totally get that, it would take ages plus alot of money back then to replace just 1 animal...I was talking about how no one wants to talk about how the aboriginal people attacked women and children for revenge against farmers etc....I was saying no one wants to talk about it because according to society, If you were white back then you were pretty much a monster.
I posed this question back in an indigenous unit at university. The purpose of settlement wasn't to subdue the indigenous population but was a consequence. It wasn't part of some kind of 'final solution' instigated by the crown and European settlement. It was incidental. I was given the reply of, "No." We can't deny the truth that it was a terrible atrocity and blight on our history. But we shouldn't beholden to one side of the truth.
what islands? please talk about it? given the many italian family names in the region and town names, you'll be hard pressed to create a new story. but go on..... immigrants worked the cane.
Seems to me, British government and crown had good intentions. However, greed of newcomers, land hungry and wanting to make their fortune, disregarded British parliament's decrees...then the dispossession began. You may not think it an invasion because of the British crown's good intentions, but it surely would appear that way. Thankfully, it was the British who claimed the whole continent and not parcelled by various European powers, otherwise our (us blackfellas) plight would have much worse off, with warring Europeans using us as cannon fodder in their wars against each other and wilful genocide by some of them and slavery by others. Australia Day should be January 1, and the 26th of January as Colony Day, then perhaps we would have a shared day of reflection that would bridge the gap that now exists and we could all be thankful of how far we've come together. I'm an Australian first, a blackfella second, I love my country, I'm proud of our shared history, warts and all. But the divisions between us really hurt. We need to heal, but struggle to know the remedy when there is no clarity in our minds on how to truly heal and move forward in the 21st century. Lefty politics, appears to me, as not a way forward. It seems to only divide us further and keeps us locked in poverty and government handouts.
I’ve been saying for years, January 1st was when Australia became Australia, so that date makes perfect sense for Australia Day. I like your idea of Colony Day. That’s great.
I appreciate your clear sighted response here Colin. I have had wonderful experiences whilst working as a teacher, a neighbour and a student, with Indigenous people. I learnt much and became acquainted with them and their history and hopefully, helped them in the interchange!
You were making a fairly good point until you said left which shows that there's no hope for you . If you don't understand the destructive power of left and right there's no point
I understand a lot what you said and makes sense as being a older Australian l think there was more harmony years ago. But today there are to many activists who are pushing their own agenda . what's in it for them and not truly representing the true indigenous people .
As a dark skinned Aboriginal from both side of my parents I don't agree with people who disagrees with Australia Day, I reckon as Australians, we should all celebrate, we are all Australians no matter background we come from....
Australia was always going to be colonised by Europeans. If it hadn't been the English, it would have been the Dutch, French, Spanish, or Portuguese people.
The British never claimed Australia was Terra Nullius, in fact King George the Third told Governor Phillip to as far as possible count the Natives and made them all British Subjects. The only mention of Terra Nullius by any Official was by Governor Bourke in 1834 and this was subsequently repudiated by the British Government. The High Court of Australia in the famous Mabo decision said that the British claim to Australia did not depend on Terra Nullius and asserted the Sovereignty of the Australian Government over all of Australia.
Great to see the truth coming out on these issues, the trouble makers out there in Australia should be shamed for the falsehood lies about so many things. So many indigenous Australians were looked after and kindly treated, WA had some of 3:39 the best indigenous cattle hands in the country. It’s the political Governments that have let our indigenous friends down by not treating them the same as white indigenous people .
...but if I just rocked up on some farmers farm and said I'm not here to cause trouble and I have a sister that I won't you farmer to marry [keeping in mind that the farmer can't even read English or understand any English at all] it's still me invading that farmers' space, regardless of whether you think it's peaceful or not to do so. So it's not just naive to think it would work out all hunky dory, but it's wrong to not call it an invasion. I agree that people weren't just massacring the traditional owners, but they were just muscling in on their property and farmers of all people hate it when CSG etc. just rock up and say "I'll do whatever I fn like "PEACEFULLY". Btw, here's a court summons to prove you should just nod, plod and be happy I'm clearing your land..."
@rayroc5938 - imagine just rocking up on a farmers property and just claiming you're going to start building the rayroc5938 industrial paradise on it. You're not paying the farmer to do it, you're just going to PEACEFULLY develop the farmers land? Do you get it yet, because if you don't, I don't owe you my attention any further.
…I’m really sorry to burst your happy, delusional little ‘noble savage’ utopia, but the ‘farmer’ in that metaphor killed the last owner to get it. Aboriginal tribes had wars, massacres, some cannibalism, and brutal territorial capture. Any nice, idealist, peaceful tribes often got killed and their land got stolen by other Aboriginal Australians. Which means if another people group shows up, and does the same thing you’ve been doing to your neighbours- but with better weapons, technology and more moral restraint- then you don’t really get to complain, because that’s how war and territory works… …and you were perfectly fine with your ‘survival of the fittest, might makes right’ when you were massacring your weaker neighbours, so why would it be suddenly an unthinkable thing that another tribe shows up across the sea and does the same thing, but feels bad about it, and restrains their ability to wipe you off the face of the earth like you’ve done to other aboriginal tribes who lived on that land first? History is not fun. Every tribe and people group were brutal, or you didn’t survive. The peaceful ‘farmer’ in this metaphor hadn’t even figured out agriculture- but they sure did figure out spears, and they used them. They ‘stole’ that land through invasion before the people who ‘stole’ it after them- the correct word is conquered, and it’s not a pretty or happy thing, but it is reality.
I taught at a local museum giving tours and lessons to school. I told them about the directions given to Arthur Phillip. Teachers and visitors were surprised as they had never heard this before.
I don’t doubt what this man is saying and I agree with him that young kids are getting taught an intentionally inaccurate perspective on history, but the reality for the natives at the time was they were eventually moved off their land into reservations, at times interbred forcefully, denied rights and property that other Australians had, and I’m sure there’s many others. So while the early British may have had relatively humane intentions, it doesn’t exactly balance out the course of history that followed for the aboriginal Australians. And to comment on the education system, teaching kids of the atrocities of our history isn’t a necessarily bad thing, but it becomes bad when the system intentionally excludes the positive parts of our white history and the negatives we also faced and overcame.
Arthur Phillip might have been told by the crown to pursue peaceful relations. But that doesn’t mean it turned out that way. Plenty of records of killings and mistreatment in the newspapers and individual’s journals of the time.
@@andrewstackpool4911 no that is not true at all. Aboriginals actually had peaceful relationships with surrounding tribes and there was no cannibalism at all there is no evidence. Absolutely zero evidence so don't spread lies it's childish and unintelligent
@@Lux-x4y …unfortunately, there is not only significant evidence for cannibalism- which you didn’t bother to look up before declaring that there was ‘no evidence at all’, because you didn’t WANT there to be, and you rely on the Dunning-Krueger effect. There is also a lot of evidence of brutal territorial disputes, massacres, tribal warfare and atrocities between tribes. I am genuinely sorry to burst your bubble. They were not idyllic tribes of peaceful co-existing cultures. They were savage, just like we were savage in our homelands. Just like everyone was. They killed and invaded territories and conquered their neighbours, and a number of tribes are documented as living in constant flightiness and fear of their neighbours raiding them. This is nothing special or uniquely barbaric- it happened with Asian, European and South American tribes as well. By declaring it isn’t so, simply because you don’t WANT to believe there is evidence, so you refuse to look it up and deny it exists, you are being exactly that- childish, and unintelligent. History and humanity are scarred by war. All of us. We’ve been doing it since the start. Any tribe who refused to engage with warfare, never survived to be documented.
Captain Cooks expeditions to Australia were scientific expeditions . Botanist Sir Joseph Banks collected thousands of specimens of plants , animals & insects , for scientific study.
Introducing stone age people to civilisation is a gift. The Romans did it and the Egyptians did it. The Jews still complain about the Egyptians and the Abos will keep complaining about the Brits. Some people will never get it.
You cannot invade territory that is not owned by anyone. That is called settlement, not invasion. There was no system of permanent ownership prior to European settlement.
In other words, you need a European version of a 'Title Deed' to own your land. Interesting. You are another version of Zionism - I mean, God gave them Palestine 3 and a half thousand years ago so their Title Deed is God himself. Yes, very European, very 'civilized'.
@ you focus on this as though conquest is a solely European phenomenon. Who owned Central America after the Aztecs conquered all of the other tribes? Who owned Hokkaido after the Japanese conquered the indigenous Ainu? Who owned Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria after the Arabs conquered the berbers? Why don’t you ever focus on those conquests? What do you think would have happened to indigenous Australians had the Ottoman Empire settled instead of the British?
@ it must be said that before Europeans arrived in Australia, the continent was made up of hundreds of tribes (or nations) that warred violently with one another over control of resources. That is as close as they had to a system of land ownership. Then one day a very powerful tribe from Britain arrived and conquered them all. If you believe that the pre European system of right to land being determined by violence was legitimate, then you cannot then say that the British conquest of Australia was illegitimate.
Look at Law Of Nations 1753 broken James Cook didn't discover the land leaving England as Lt Cook Smallpox within blankets Tribes guided off cliffs via force Children heads kicked off like soccer balls Full intention of harm Settlement is a formal agreement which has never been established Who signed a Title Deed & Whom were compensated?
@@chesterwilson9796 yes there is, but I would have to locate it again to tell you where. Not hard, I was looking at it not long back so I will locate it and post it here. Was a Melbourne university collation of Aus history from about 1911 or so by some woman.
Oh Dear John & Co, hopes and intentions don't always translate to action - as demonstrated by our history. Lyndall Ryan’s work in developing the ‘Colonial Frontier Massacres, Australia, 1788 to 1930’ is an excellent example of this. Documented stories of colonial violence. Invasion/Colonial violence lies at the heart of our nation’s foundation.
I’ve been living in Australia for a long time now, and it saddens me to say that on Australia Day, each year, there are people who talk to me like it was bloody me who caused all the stuff back in the early days (not my mates or such just random on the street), all because I’m British
@@habibhaloumi If that were true, then Japan would show nothing but absolute hatred towards the United States for nuking them twice on an unimaginable scale of suffering. And yet they don't. So I certainly don't agree that genocide normally "reverberates". Ongoing hatred is a choice.
@@jimtekkit Thanks for your reply. I disagree that the two scenarios can't be compared. Imperial Japan caused the deaths of millions upon millions of people throughout Asia, including the Massacre of Nanjing, medical experimentation on live humans, ceremonial beheadings, death marches, starvation. Men women children........babies. Horrendous and in the millions. I can't speak for post war Japanese, but I strongly suggest that the collective guilt they felt brought an acceptance that the US had to do what they did, which was to end the war as quickly as possible to prevent many more millions from dying at the hands of their Imperial Japan. On the other hand the colonisation of Australia, upon a people who were in 1788 living a way of life that they had for thousands of years? Their genocide reverberates every day in Australia today and will for another 200 years unless Australia directly address it and make good the wrong in the correct way. That's just the nature of genocide. You can kick the can down the road as long as you like, but it won't ever go away. That's our colonial legacy, sadly.
Your people did cause all of this stuff. By this stuff I mean a first world nation that is good as. We need to return to the tradition of our great founders like Edmund Barton and Alfred Deakin. White Australia Policy worked.
If you want to know more about these stories read “1788” by David Hill. There are quotes from historical journals that support what Dr Chavura is saying. “On arrival in Australia in New South Wales the governor had given instructions that the Aboriginal people were to be treated in a friendly way”. The surgeon George Worgan wrote as such in a letter dated 12-18 June 1788.
Jesus Christ is the only God. One day all people, Chinese, Hebrew, Indian, African, Italian, Greek, Russian, Anglo, Aboriginal and Native peoples, Middle Easterners, will be bowing the knee to Him and Him alone!
It's was the same or moreso for Captain James Cook. He was mainly raised by Quakers and on top of that his orders from the Crown were to befriend the natives on his travels and had a large amount of beads etc for gifting, establishing a relationship with and trading with them. He did shoot natives in NZ, but that was only after Cooks men had been attacked. Also, when Cook was murdered, it was by natives, but he was the murdered, not the murderer.
That might be well, but we know for sure in practice did not happen. Whilst the ABC might only show one side, he is only talking about the best case scenario on "his side". Discuss the plight of the Tasmanian Aboriginals
One of the reasons for the Declaration of Independence - although Americans won't like to hear it - was because we had struck a treaty with the native population and the Crown regarded those within the 13 colonies as subjects of King George with British rights. The American colonists often thought otherwise, and the Declaration of Independence actually refers to what they saw as the Crown's lenient attitude to "Indian Savages". ".....endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions."
If the British wanted the aboriginals removed good chance we wouldn’t know what an aboriginal is today. But victims need to create their own reality in order to receive benefits. Aboriginals say they want equal rights and so on I totally agree. They can go and make their own living like everyone else. And no I don’t consider all aboriginals as bludgers I have known quite a few that work as hard as anyone else
Why not put all these good things into a legal binding document like a Treaty? Every other colonised country by England has one. 'Britain had annexxed the Territory' So the original 'First Fleet' (the first British fleet anyway) wanted to do good to Aboriginal people- No slavery, no segregation, equal rights, Citizenship etc. and yet history shows us a different story.- no Citizenship prior 67', Stolen Wages & indentured service, segregation - hence the suburb of Blacktown in Sydney for eg, The White Australia policy and Stolen Generations. I don't hear alot from either the Right or the Left about the positives of Indigenous people. So go on- share your lived positive experiences of the Indigenous population...
Lucky in 1942 we were not invaded by a very aggressive foe . With out our magnificent soldiers stopping them at Kokoda , no one would have survived . Stop playing the bloody victim . Move on .😡
Power GREED native title let's STOP the B.S of facts.Billions of Aussie taxpayer 💰 talk about B.S!GREED an a hate of modern Australia there are plenty of rich aboriginals!Land right councils!Commercial agreements!Where has the BILLIONS gone!So many activists trying to roll modern Australia back to the stone age but more than happy to use a white colonial system to get as much money as they can!!What B.S!They do not care about anyone else in the nation just what they can get with lies untruths an GREED!!😮😮😮
This is typical English double-speak, say one thing publicly, but actually do something else in reality. This is what they said publicly, but in reality some of them were actually shooting indigenous people for fun - which is documented, so leaving that out of this conversation makes you a liar. It’s why Pemulway started his war of defense. However the bulk of the British were actually slaves themselves and not the decision makers, so the Aussies are not fully guilty, it’s the English ruling classes who made the decisions.
This actually says nothing about the issue of invasion at all. It only talks about the intentions of the invasion. It was still an invasion ir is impossible to deny that without being ignorant or dosingenuous. Look at the results.
You are 100% correct. This video is shocking in its deception. Within a few short decades of arrival, the invasion was in full swing and the genocide had begun. Anderson and Chavura conveniently ignore that so as to feed misinformation out into the public domain and stir up hate and ignorance. Disgraceful!
@@brunetteXer Yes a civilisation lives here now that strips the environment until there is nothing left to extract, that swims in an epidemic of domestic violence, sits on its backside watching TV or social media for hours every day in judgment and persecution of others. Not so civilised really...... if you look at it from another angle.
29th of April 1770 . 26th of January 1949 . Australia Day does not celebrate cooks landing , it celebrates the fact that we are no longer british subjects . If you already know that tell everyone you know !
Never came with the intent of killing aboriginal people ... but still killed aboriginal people , lots of aboriginal people , so many it's considered genocide. So many deaths by colonisers they are recorded as massacres , over 400 of these massacres :(
It's only considered a "genocide" to ignorant marxists - much in the same way as you describe what's happening in Israel, where it's only you lot that propagate lies.
My fathers ancestors we re some of the first free settlers to arrive in Sydney Australia on the Corromandel ship.The first school building and church at Ebenezer NSW. Even my father has said this about the indiginous people,he s 84 now and was in the army and also went to war in Vietnam.
No let's not do that. Every single thing we have comes from this land that we dispossessed our indigenous peoples of. A little bit of recognition to aboriginals for all our wealth and riches is a tiny price to pay and a reminder to us that the spoils of our victory has some very noble history behind it.
Actions speak louder than words. Whatever was said by the British Crown or by Captain Arthur Phillips meant nothing if the perpetrators of hundreds of massacres of Aborigines went unpunished. Communists also said wonderful things about their communist system of governance such as "From each according to his ability. To each according to his needs." But the reality of life under all communist countries was the complete opposite. How do we feel if some die-hard communists today try to defend communism by quoting some wonderful statements by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels?
@@Lee-cc9jf point is, europe was not invited. There sure enough were massacres and forced displacement. We can move on from this but its delusional to say it was never an invasion
His main argument is that the Crown didn't want them to do horrible things, but ignores that the settlers lied and told the Crown that the Aborigines weren't human. They were classified under "Flaura and Fauna" to get around that loophole.
So What?. This kind of thing happened all over the world at the time. Sure it was terrible but I didn't do it so I'm not going to feel guilty about it. Also remember that during the 'Frontier Wars' there was massacres on both sides, so are the Aboriginal going to apologise for that?
The Activist do want to know the Truth. I think they just can't interpret the Truth because they know there are two sorts of human. THEMSELVES and the rest of humanity who are the ENEMY.
Rather than call it Invasion Day the ungrateful indigenous population should call it Gratitude Day. Think about all the benefits of British colonization. Improvements in infant mortality, life expectancy, dentistry, and the whole medical system. They were saved from the tribalism, constant tribal warfare and the mutilation of boys in their initiation rituals. Western civilisation has brought them a MUCH HIGHER quality of life. Yes, there were some rough bits like massacres, but the largest recorded massacre was black on black in their tribal warfare. Two centuries ago human rights were not even close to what people think of today. If it wasn’t the British it would have been another colonial power that would have treated them MUCH worse. The Australian indigenous population got lucky with British colonization. The Aborigines should call 26 January Gratitude Day.
again most of the people complaining arnt indigenous people, they are like white people some with like 2% indigenous blood and grew up completly away from indigenous culture and
So why all the massacre sites that continue to be unearthed? Why the legal fiction of Terra Nullius? Come on, it's naive to think the empire did not know EXACTLY what it was doing.
All the issue and event happened After the first colony was settled as most of the issue was about some native who didn't understand the laws, as they stole food and started fights, the mafer massacre happened when a large number tried to take over the colony it was a sad event but many believe it was a slaughter by the British but other account say otherwise, the fact is, the British what given instructions not again not to trouble the native population, but it hard when they keep starting fight stealing and raping the women yet you don't her that side do you!
"Australia was not invaded". Oh, yes, I thought ,this will be a laugh. And it is. A laughable defence. He starts with a children's play, and then makes his own children's play. He depends on words of others as some kind of proof. Mate, words are useless. Actions matter. Disease, poisons, guns all used to eliminate those rid the colonial of the locals. He used the Straw Man argument, as usual. Construct an absurdly simple, hopeless opposite, and it is so easy to prove it wrong. Man, you are a disgrace to reason and historical analysis. Mate, you are hopeless. How did you get a doctorate? Or WHERE did you buy it? In the uni of lower Utah perhaps.
Mate, the brittish rocked up, said no one lives here, then took over the land that had been inhabited for over 70,000 years, you are completely wrong. They had no right whatsoever, to even step foot on the land without permission. The country was completely inhabited already. Do you understand that?
Now it's 70,000 years. Some bearded professional victim said '250,000 years' at a 'welcome to country', soon it will be 500,000 years, then 1 million. Soon they'll be claiming Australia was the birthplace of the species, and was a blissful utopia until aliens arrived, from outer space apparently. I saw a black activist actually say (when referring to 'genocide') 'White Australians have to accept it. It's history, get over it.' I agree 100%. It's history, get over it.
@@stephenhammond1656 Sorry bud, the Aboriginals did zero with the land, they built zero civilizations. Anyone crying that half of New Guinea is now owned by Indonesia? Nope. If Australian does not throw its guilt into the Trash Can, it will be conquered by Indonesia as well.
You will not see this interview on Woke ABC or Woke SBS.
Defund them
No chance god bless australia and the Anglo Celtics who Conguered this land
If they did, you would see a welcome to country prior.
It's a pity they didn't say that to the first settlers. @bradessendon05
You've just identified yourself as someone with no intelligence by using woke to the Google Robots who will now target you knowing that you're easily manipulated into these silly trends So they can make money from you
The activists don’t want to know the truth,
They can't handle the truth.
AUSTRALIA DAY IS 26TH OF JAN, always was, always will be
We gave them the wheel
half the activists have no Aboriginal blood in them. and are total hypocrites, as ( to use their own definition ) they or their family's have invaded Australia themselves
Dr. Stephen Chavura is trying to place a positive spin on the dispossession of Aboriginal lands by British marines, convicts and squatters. He tells half truths. Yes , Govenor Arthur Phillip may have started as a good man, but he soon lost his moral compass and left Australia a sick man, on 10 Dec 1792.
And, of course, Arthur Phillip famously told his soldiers NOT to retaliate when he was speared through the shoulder!
The Australian aborigines are lucky that it wasn't the Dutch or Portuguese that settled the continent.
And I was lucky this bloke burned my hand with his cigarette and not his lighter.
I wonder how Aboriginies would have fared facing the Japanese?
The dutch did find it before Cook but they landed on the west coast and considered the land to be rubbish.
my dear Mother was anglo and my good Father was Dutch. the dutch would have been very fair too.
@nomyafiftyonefifty8081 The first recorded landfall was by Dutch explorer Willem Jansz in his ship the Duyfken (little dove). It was Feb/Mar 1606 on the western side of Cape York.
So tired of my ancestor (who came out as a convict) being blamed for perpetrating crimes that didn't happen.
Noone is blaming your ancestor or you so stop feeling guilty. Aborigines were dispossessed and they have never been recognised as first people of this land. I trust that you can agree to that truth. From there you can reflect on what that means and how you would go about recognising that right now. The past obviously means something to you as you speak of your ancestor. We cannot undo what was done but we can do things to lessen the pain. Eg we have already ensured that Aboriginal people had the right to vote. PS. Did you know that the legislation that would have followed a yes vote would have made sure that Aborigines did NOT have any more political power than any other person in Australia?
@@elizabethcooke8998 At the risk of sounding, realistic. Your self delusion is a very powerful force.
I see loads of people making comfortable incomes from “helping” the Aborigines. Amongst this group of “race-problem solvers” who don’t want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.
It is known that far more than the average minimum wage is spent on each and every Aboriginal man, woman and child, and what do they have to show for it, very little that’s what.
This “help” is done in an attempt to show us how noble and selfless the “helpers” think they are. Well I call BS on that, and wonder about the Aboriginals that have fallen by the wayside to satisfy a need to feel good.
One good thing about the voice debate is that it shone a spotlight on the failures and rorts in the current system.
@elizabethcooke8998 that’s the world wide human history for you. Do you really think the government cares about these people? Do you think they give a rats about any of the other so called oppressed? They want control and how easy to get that than just create new category’s of the oppressed, knowing the human psychology of victimhood. Changing the language to cater for the oppressed and shame anyone who doesn’t go along with this with words ending with ist or an ism etc.
As if that Mayo fella that seemed to appear out of thin air that no one knew anything about wasn’t installed as another talking head to just go along with whatever power grab to gain even more control. But don’t dare complain or you’re racist and a bigot
Too right mate, sick of being blamed and put down, all that has happened is the gap is growing faster and faster.
@@elizabethcooke8998 "The past obviously means something to you..." How do you get along with such a condescending attitude to people?
Jancinta Price is a great example of what can be achieved if you work hard and not get bullied while growing up into a wasteful existence following the lead of the victim culture .
In my rural town, the local Aborigines do not spend their time with a chip on their shoulder. Their kids have a great time flying around on E scooters. They have embraced modernity and the good life it brings.
@@deanpd3402 Yes as the Romans pushed the British into the new world by bringing technology from all over the globe with them to Britain and become more modern and powerful society that spread to the other parts of the globe including Australia .
It’s not just Jacinta. A majority of Australians alive today who have at least one aboriginal ancestor are doing fine. There are only a small number of aboriginal people who are victims of the welfare state who are in a bad way.
Jacinta doesn't speak to us, she's a lapdog for the libs
“What have the Romans ever done for us?!” [In my best John Cleese impersonation voice] Well, they gave us the alphabet. The alphabet we’re currently writing with, on TH-cam. 2,000 years later…
Time for some TRUTH TELLING , the first fleet had about 1400 people on 11 ships , half were convicts and the rest consisted of women , sailors and Royal Marines , Aboriginals are saying that the continent of Australia were invaded by 300-350 men , this also tells us and shows us that ABORIGINALS WERE NOT A NATION , they had no organization , no towns or cities , they were a mish mash of hunter gather tribes , speaking different languages having different cultures
Indeed, I never use the term 'First Nations People' - to become a nation requires a level of organisation, negotiation and agreement and usually some sort of written, legally binding, document - none of these things happened between aboriginal tribes- there was no conceptual understanding of 'nationhood' prior to European arrival.
@@melhawk1352 First Nations is a Canadian Woke term
@@melhawk1352 even if they had a nation they still cant be called first nations people because they were not the first ones here
@@AGP-h9ethat only came into general use 3 or 4 years ago.
Mate, you know zilch. Open you r mouth and out comes nonsense.
Finally someone speaking the truth. Good on ya Stephen. Woke Is Dead
Woke lives on on the "liberal" "inclusive" "progressive" Left as far as I can see.
I was about to put on like on until you said woke because that proves that you're just a mindless Google sheep that cant think for yourself, and every time you use that word you get identified as someone who is easily manipulated so Google can make money out of you
Invaders with war on their mind rarely bring two botanists, artists and scientists with them on their invasions.
"The Life and adventures of William Buckley" the true story of an escaped white convict that lived 32 years with an aboriginal tribe. Why isn't this story taught in schools?????? Because pre-British settlement wasn't all beers and skittles.
The same in America. Painting the natives as "saints".
I read this book decades ago and was an eye opener.
Australia no longer teaches Australian history in our schools. There's nothing educational about Australia's educational system any longer.
Best to be home schooled.
i read this years ago, as you say should be taught in schools. Id be surprised if it hasnt been taken off the library shelves and banned from print.
Actually it was taught at my school interestingly
The way they carry on you would think the first fleet turned up with tanks, mortars and machine guns.
The blame/trouble we've had since landing here we probably should have turned up with tanks & mortars etc.... lol
It could have been thst way if it was another conquering country. These ungrateful racist whingers are just plain money hungry whingers because they have been given SO MUCH and now Australians have had a gutfull of the one sided whingers, they don't like it.
According to the Greens leader Cook sailed into Sydney Harbour and opened fire with all guns and started the "genocide".
@@stephenkirton9921 Most Aboriginal deaths were from exposure to European diseases. I recall learning that even common viral diseases like chickenpox were extremely deadly and infectious, so they spread and obviously were impossible to quarantine.
@@jimtekkit I think the majority of Cures for all this was instigated through CENTRELINK
I was born in Britain, migrated to Australia (legally) when I was 13 and thus experienced the Australian history curriculum teaching a more balanced account of how the English/ Europeans came to this country.
There was far less hatred spread at that time, only 20 years ago. Somewhere within the last 20 years this account of history and depiction of events has changed and the country is FAR worse off as a result. It feels very intentional and I can’t see how it is of benefit to anyone. The way forward is not this.
There is hateful tension everywhere now. We can move forward together as a nation united but it won’t work if lies continue to be told
you didn't experience it as an indigenous person 20 years ago. sadly human nature is bigoted right across the board, as no side is innocent of wrong doing. not everyone in each culture is bad, but it's definitely there, even now.
And far less truth. Mate, grow up. Do a reputable history course, I dare you
@@garrymcdougall9481I do think that you're the one to prove him wrong. Totally agree with Liam. ALP and mix breed with idealists leftists have distorted history for their benefits
I agree. I have lived here all my life - born in 1960 and the aboriginals I went to school with and later worked with used to be just regular Aussies and no better or worse than everyone else. Somewhere in the 1990's the trouble makers started teaching them to be victims and to hate everyone else.
Said it before I’ll say it again. If you want to call it invasion day, then you also have to concede the aboriginal people were conquered and then you have to concede no one has ever cared what the loser thinks.
An invaded people cede all of their lands to the invader, yet they want to call White people’s arrival an invasion, yet, concurrently, we all stand on indigenous land. Both can’t be true.
That’s what my father said. They were a conquered race.
...and fortunately- by the Providence of God - the British strove to work with the Indigenous people in the main, not against them nor by eradicating them totally.
I don't think you even know what you're talking about
@@bucephulus4600no they were never conquered
Don't tell Lydia Thorpe.
Hahahahaha she’s not even 20 percent abo the loser
She would not listen anyway!
@@fionaforward3358 according to her they were all very peaceful amongst different tribes and every time they ventured onto some other tribes land they got a welcome to country
She should be locked up
I doubt you could tell her anything anyway.
The most disadvantaged indigenous people in modern Australia are the ones who still live on country (haven't been displaced) and still speak their native language (haven't been colonised).
If poverty and disadvantage existed in Australia before the British arrived, how can you say that the British CAUSED the disadvantage? 🤔
I bet they're the happiest ones too since they can't understand the news or this guest speaker.
@Magic-y8u I think you mean blissfully ignorant....
@@ThaMassDebater either way they have a right to not be absorbed by the foreigners or cooperate with them. They have a right to both bliss and ignorance. They have all the rights and the foreigners don't unless the natives bestow rights upon them out of good will, not force. That's how being a good guest/refugee works.
@Magic-y8u
Yes they do have a right to be blissfully ignorant but the gap in standard of living and entrenched generational trauma and poverty will continue to grow...🤔
Should these blissfully aware people then receive welfare benefits and other government/ tax payers funded supports?
Was what you described how it worked when indigenous tribes invaded other indigenous tribes and committed genocide against each other before the British arrived?
@@ThaMassDebater I hope you realize that the natives are the lords of the land and everyone else is a refugee at best and an invader at worst. Pick your label but there's only two without a third. Either way change is the only constant in the universe and I'm sure the Australian government will soon have to leave both the natives and the refugees alone to live in peace. Remember there's no us and them there's only common people and corrupt people ruling them. Your quarrel and theirs is with governments controlled by private business interests.
Upgrade day! On Jan 26 day we celebrate advancing Australia 10,000 years into a modern human civilisation with medical advancements, technological marvels, environmental comforts, scientific discoveries and most importantly common law, the peaceful transition of democratic power and equal rights for all citizens under one true nation.
Yep 60,000 of years prior to the arrival, the greatest technological advancement was the boomerang, which probably happened by accident when a hunter threw a bent stick at an animal and killed it!
@@Tmbo-Man I can't believe how ignorant people are not understanding that as scientists find more evidence the timeline goes back . As for being dumb and useless people , you are very ignorant I'd like to see you last one day out where they live . Go on please tell me they didn't invent the wheel that's my favourite one
Here is something you might want to consider. The indigenous people before us on this land, managed the environment in a way that could sustain themselves for tens of thousands of years. In little more than 200 years, we Europeans have stripped and destroyed the environment beyond recognition to the point that we are changing the world's climate. So you tell me, who was "civilised" ? Who was the smarter? In any long term sense of the meaning, not us Europeans.
@ no they didn’t, they ate what resources they could find and when the resources got slim they moved onto to find other resources, no different from no other nomadic tribes in history.
Sophisticated environmental management, my arse !
@ They were able to live off the land that's not necessarily sustaining it . Apparently Australia used to be covered in rainforest like other countries on the same latitude now look at it
Truth telling right here
Indigenous Australian's are calling Australia Day, Invasion Day and Survival Day. Indigenous Australians do not want to assimilate. All they want to do now, is created division in Australia.
Playing the victim card has worked very well for certain elements in the aboriginal community. Unfortunately pouring bucket loads of money only exacerbates the corruption within.
Yes, unfortunately, they treat each other terribly. The women and children suffer daily and are murdered by the hands of their own men. This is really a problem swept under the carpet. It’s all there if you google it. The money is not being used for the good.😢
I think you mean exacerbates.
@rayroc5938 Yes, corrected. Thanks. 👍 Pre-emptive text and typing when tied is fraught with dangers 🥴
@@Tmbo-Man 😂😂😂tired😂😂😂😂it got you again 😂😂😂😂 I'm forever correcting myself as well 😂😂😂
@stephenkirton9921 I'm off to bed before I fumble more mistakes 🥴👍
When it comes to the first and second fleets, people starved. Convicts have no choice about going to Australia.
I had an African-American tell me I should be ashamed for living on Australian aboriginal land . I said to him you live on Indian land what's the difference ? He got angry and said my people were bought here in chains we had no choice . I replied so were the Australians what's your point
Excactly 100%
Prime minister Keating called it the “arse end of the earth “. We we dumped in a netherworld. And our convict ancestors made this country great. That’s why all the migrants are breaking their necks for visas
TH-cam is at it again. Deleting comments
Prime minister Keating called Australia the arse end of the earth
Imagine living with so much anger for historical events that didn’t occur. I guess that’s the price some pay for not educating themselves.
Well, when there's money to be made out of perpetual victimhood.
Mate, grow up. Do a reputable history course, I dare you.
@@garrymcdougall9481 modern history courses are full of hate. the British built a civilisation in this land.
… and here we have exhibit A ->@@garrymcdougall9481 👀 😂
Which reputable course did you study Gary?
Did you hear Senator Jacinta Price is on her way to review Welcome to Country, Government spending on Indigenous communities, and a few other timely undertakings? 🙂
@@garrymcdougall9481 And there's that anger right there
Well said. The truth will always reveal itself.
Not if TH-cam keeps deleting it
Mate, grow up. Do a reputable history course, I dare you.
Britain Ended Slavery while no other country on planet Earth wanted to. Britain was the only nation to express disgust at slavery. The British Navy spent more money Ending Slavery then they EVER Made From It!. We should be teaching that in our Education System.
Meanwhile there is still Slavery in The Middle East, Africa and Asia in 2025.
Britain is the Greatest Nation On Earth! 🇬🇧🇦🇺
Well you know where you can go mate.. 😮
British enslaved Aboriginals for 200 years Aboriginals were slaves.
You forgot about America when talking about slavery it still happens
...unfortunately there were rouges who violated the law layed dien by London in regards to slavery. In the Kimberley slaves were used as well as sone Pacific Island being used as slaves to cut cane.
Fast forward to today, the opportunities for Indigenous people to get ahead and have s godlike is largely in their court and 80% of Indigenous peopke are doing well, good or very good.
@@heavenlyscented6357 Can we hear your sided of the story to set the record straight.
I’m sure this guy means well and he has some valid points but just because that’s what Phillip was instructed that dosnt mean that’s what happened.
if you're suggesting there was an invasion, that's just false. the first settlement almost died, the land was so foreign to them.
Just like England did in Ireland, everything was perfect, no one killed or starved. Sarcasm
Let us also not forget that most Aboriginals were wiped out by the spread of disease, not "massacres". They had been isolated for so many thousands of years that their immune systems couldn't possibly recognize and fight against even common viruses like the flu, so exposure was inevitably deadly.
that also could be myth, the "smallpox blankets" story happened in the Americas, did it truly happen here too?
their immune systems were likely very robust.
I think it did turn out that way. Look at the great country they are not only part of, but given extra privileges that other members are not.
...too many privileges.
All the migrants want to come here
The thing about the privileges is a myth Only the white aborigines get the extra stuff that's where all the money goes not to the full bloods in the bush
Hear, hear.
Giving excessive 'privileges' and special treatment to a group of society ends up weakening them: they become entitled (if they were not previously) and less able to function as a worthwhile contributing member of society, having been robbed of the requirement to become so.
Thus such ploys serve only to weaken our civilization, our nation and being unjust as such, must really be considered as racism.
Mate, grow up. Do a reputable history course, I dare you
Should I still be in mourning for my great, great, great, great, great grandparents who were forcibly removed from their English/Scottish country lifestyles for mostly minor indiscretions and after a lengthy sea journey told to try and survive in a foreign undeveloped land with hostile inhabitants and then made to endure the same stolen children issue in greater numbers than the Aboriginal people went through. Should my family and others that have lived the same terrible past be lining up for compensation and revenge for our uncontrollable consequences and misgivings?
It is not about guilt. It IS about facts. Not just words. Actions first. And 'invade' is appropriate, unless you think Russia has a "Special Military Operation" and not a war.
@@garrymcdougall9481 well ukraine was a part of russia, half the people have russian heritage. also ukraine is a corrupt nation flirting with nato, also they have a written language and real history, so not even remotely the same.
@@brunetteXer ukraine was a part of russia ---sowhat?? half the people have russian heritage ---what is russian heritage? and how many of ukrainian heritage (hint, they ovrlap). ukraine is a corrupt nation (oh please, and russia is not??) flirting with nato --U is a sovereign state, they can join ANY organisation they want.
No, because whatever your ancestors endured, it would have been consequences of a well meaning government, right? So maybe your ancestors hyped their stories and it wasn't as bad as you describe
If the circumstances were the same, I agree. But you are neatly forgetting two things: the 300000 to 700000 indigenes killed by Europeans, and 2. the present living conditions of indigenes, including an 18 year gap in life expectancy. Care to swap places???
Whether the current “narrative” likes it or not, “Australia” was going to be brought into the “modern” age. I’d say it was probably fortunate, that it was the British. Who claimed it just before the Spanish, and the Dutch were also exploring for “new” territories also as they were all looking for the “Great Southern Land”. At that time the world was shrinking from a vast under explored planet, into the current age.
Somebody was going to claim this country, it was always going to be brought into the present age, to pretend anything different is just delusional, if you took away our defence forces now, “Australia” would get taken by whoever could get their troops here first. This is a very mineral rich land and many eyes, wish they could have it.
Even if the lie was the truth, it still happened hundreds of years ago, to people who arent alive, by people who arent alive. It's time to move on
65 thousand years the abos did nothing 230 years Europeans changed the world god bless the Anglo Celtics for coming to Australia and saving it Australia 🇦🇺
And 220 yrs and you people have destroyed the place.
@@Seagulligus You're joking......right 😀
@@Seagulligus Reality of expansionism is the world would not have left this piece of natural resources rich continent alone. Let that sink in. Its either us or them.
@@Seagulligus And I bet that you have a mobile phone ,tv, car and get all the benefits that the Brits bought here , if you are so concerned with the advances that colonization has bought nothing is stopping you from going back out bush and giving up all the welfare and benefits that we have destroyed the country with
65 thousand years. A few years ago it was 40 thousand years. That means they survived the Great Flood Were they on the Ark
The stoneage life is still there to be lived. Go and live it.
How about you grow up and do some research and you know it's not possible any more because of the farmers
Australia wasnt invaded because Australia wasnt a country, it was about 200 different tribes with their own territory
And they sold a lot of their land to the settlers for trinkets. The American Indians sold the island of Manhattan for trinkets. The value you put on a product is your loss or gain
Around 600 tribes according to historian Geoffrey Blainey. For a total population of 300,000 to 350,000
Australia isnt a country, it's a continent. Just like Africa and Africans, the Indigenous are ethnically almost the same but different cultures and languages.
@@davidtaliai996 Africa is a land mass defined my an imaginary line created by people. It is the same land mass as Europe and Asia.
Aboriginals came from Asia, they were not the first ones here, it's a complete lie.
U r right
You are wrong where's your proof
Dearest....Aboriginal Australians were in Australia at least 65,000 years ago. At that time, England/Europe was not yet settled by humans.
@@albyj5522 There's this new thing called "science."
@@Krutchly My children learned at school the so called history of the so called traditional owners, they came here and killed off the original inhabitants which was apparently pygmy's, anyway, just like most countries people came from somewhere else.
You were pretty much stuck between a rock and a hard place if you were a convict. There is one story that my family knows. Where a farmer had some convict farm hands. He told the convicts to guard or keep an eye on the sheep. The farmer goes to town and the Aboriginals turn up and start killing the sheep. So the convicts killed the Aboriginals. When the farmer returned he found that the convicts had killed the aboriginals and he had the convicts hung. There is another story where a family went to town and left their elderly grandfather? at the house. When they returned the Aboriginals had cut the old man's head off and put it in the oven. Where it was found when the family returned. They did not find his body?
See, I bet this sort of stuff happened alot more than just 1 story, but no one wants to talk about it. Not to mention the women and children that were assaulted as a result of backlash etc
@@UnHuman1981 Something to think about: cattle, sheep & horses are not native to Australia. Think about the cost of one beast, and how long it would take to replace. Then think about your survival in an absolutely hostile land.
@@ajakz2561 I totally get that, it would take ages plus alot of money back then to replace just 1 animal...I was talking about how no one wants to talk about how the aboriginal people attacked women and children for revenge against farmers etc....I was saying no one wants to talk about it because according to society, If you were white back then you were pretty much a monster.
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I posed this question back in an indigenous unit at university. The purpose of settlement wasn't to subdue the indigenous population but was a consequence. It wasn't part of some kind of 'final solution' instigated by the crown and European settlement. It was incidental.
I was given the reply of, "No." We can't deny the truth that it was a terrible atrocity and blight on our history. But we shouldn't beholden to one side of the truth.
No slavery… can we talk about islander sugar cane slaves?
what islands? please talk about it?
given the many italian family names in the region and town names, you'll be hard pressed to create a new story. but go on..... immigrants worked the cane.
The blackbirding that happened in Qld. You know your history? Or are you selective with it and wilfully ignorant?
The tribes where at war with each other and killed each other more than what the so called "colonizers" did.
Seems to me, British government and crown had good intentions. However, greed of newcomers, land hungry and wanting to make their fortune, disregarded British parliament's decrees...then the dispossession began. You may not think it an invasion because of the British crown's good intentions, but it surely would appear that way.
Thankfully, it was the British who claimed the whole continent and not parcelled by various European powers, otherwise our (us blackfellas) plight would have much worse off, with warring Europeans using us as cannon fodder in their wars against each other and wilful genocide by some of them and slavery by others.
Australia Day should be January 1, and the 26th of January as Colony Day, then perhaps we would have a shared day of reflection that would bridge the gap that now exists and we could all be thankful of how far we've come together.
I'm an Australian first, a blackfella second, I love my country, I'm proud of our shared history, warts and all. But the divisions between us really hurt. We need to heal, but struggle to know the remedy when there is no clarity in our minds on how to truly heal and move forward in the 21st century. Lefty politics, appears to me, as not a way forward. It seems to only divide us further and keeps us locked in poverty and government handouts.
I’ve been saying for years, January 1st was when Australia became Australia, so that date makes perfect sense for Australia Day. I like your idea of Colony Day. That’s great.
I appreciate your clear sighted response here Colin. I have had wonderful experiences whilst working as a teacher, a neighbour and a student, with Indigenous people. I learnt much and became acquainted with them and their history and hopefully, helped them in the interchange!
Assimilate...........simple
You were making a fairly good point until you said left which shows that there's no hope for you . If you don't understand the destructive power of left and right there's no point
I understand a lot what you said and makes sense as being a older Australian l think there was more harmony years ago. But today there are to many activists who are pushing their own agenda . what's in it for them and not truly representing the true indigenous people .
As a dark skinned Aboriginal from both side of my parents I don't agree with people who disagrees with Australia Day, I reckon as Australians, we should all celebrate, we are all Australians no matter background we come from....
Two white blokes telling us "it wasn't that bad". Talk about ridiculous.
Australia was always going to be colonised by Europeans. If it hadn't been the English, it would have been the Dutch, French, Spanish, or Portuguese people.
Of course it wasn't an invasion. There was nobody there. 'Terra Nullius' a land without a people remember.
The British never claimed Australia was Terra Nullius, in fact King George the Third told Governor Phillip to as far as possible count the Natives and made them all British Subjects. The only mention of Terra Nullius by any Official was by Governor Bourke in 1834 and this was subsequently repudiated by the British Government. The High Court of Australia in the famous Mabo decision said that the British claim to Australia did not depend on Terra Nullius and asserted the Sovereignty of the Australian Government over all of Australia.
Great to see the truth coming out on these issues, the trouble makers out there in Australia should be shamed for the falsehood lies about so many things. So many indigenous Australians were looked after and kindly treated, WA had some of 3:39 the best indigenous cattle hands in the country. It’s the political Governments that have let our indigenous friends down by not treating them the same as white indigenous people .
W.A had mass slavery and white people perpetrated Mass rpe of aboriginal females and young girls.
...but if I just rocked up on some farmers farm and said I'm not here to cause trouble and I have a sister that I won't you farmer to marry [keeping in mind that the farmer can't even read English or understand any English at all] it's still me invading that farmers' space, regardless of whether you think it's peaceful or not to do so. So it's not just naive to think it would work out all hunky dory, but it's wrong to not call it an invasion. I agree that people weren't just massacring the traditional owners, but they were just muscling in on their property and farmers of all people hate it when CSG etc. just rock up and say "I'll do whatever I fn like "PEACEFULLY". Btw, here's a court summons to prove you should just nod, plod and be happy I'm clearing your land..."
What do 'farmers' have to do with aboriginals? This metaphor makes no sense.
@rayroc5938 - imagine just rocking up on a farmers property and just claiming you're going to start building the rayroc5938 industrial paradise on it. You're not paying the farmer to do it, you're just going to PEACEFULLY develop the farmers land? Do you get it yet, because if you don't, I don't owe you my attention any further.
Exactly. Unfortunately the White Supremacist far right shall we call them sheople on here will think you and I are lunatics.
…I’m really sorry to burst your happy, delusional little ‘noble savage’ utopia, but the ‘farmer’ in that metaphor killed the last owner to get it.
Aboriginal tribes had wars, massacres, some cannibalism, and brutal territorial capture. Any nice, idealist, peaceful tribes often got killed and their land got stolen by other Aboriginal Australians.
Which means if another people group shows up, and does the same thing you’ve been doing to your neighbours- but with better weapons, technology and more moral restraint- then you don’t really get to complain, because that’s how war and territory works…
…and you were perfectly fine with your ‘survival of the fittest, might makes right’ when you were massacring your weaker neighbours, so why would it be suddenly an unthinkable thing that another tribe shows up across the sea and does the same thing, but feels bad about it, and restrains their ability to wipe you off the face of the earth like you’ve done to other aboriginal tribes who lived on that land first?
History is not fun. Every tribe and people group were brutal, or you didn’t survive. The peaceful ‘farmer’ in this metaphor hadn’t even figured out agriculture- but they sure did figure out spears, and they used them. They ‘stole’ that land through invasion before the people who ‘stole’ it after them- the correct word is conquered, and it’s not a pretty or happy thing, but it is reality.
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The truth and nothing but the truth.
What happened in Australia was inevitable. The aborigines were still using sticks and stones, it was only a matter of time until someone invaded.
Thank goodness it was the British, not the Dutch nor the French nor, God forbid, the Germans!
I taught at a local museum giving tours and lessons to school. I told them about the directions given to Arthur Phillip. Teachers and visitors were surprised as they had never heard this before.
if you read even a tiny amount of their journals you'll see they were all giant nerds, not colonisers.
Good intentions but too many bad actors spoiled those plans on both sides.
Who did you copy that from
too many? name them.
or one or two?
and the ABC amplifies that?
I don’t doubt what this man is saying and I agree with him that young kids are getting taught an intentionally inaccurate perspective on history, but the reality for the natives at the time was they were eventually moved off their land into reservations, at times interbred forcefully, denied rights and property that other Australians had, and I’m sure there’s many others. So while the early British may have had relatively humane intentions, it doesn’t exactly balance out the course of history that followed for the aboriginal Australians.
And to comment on the education system, teaching kids of the atrocities of our history isn’t a necessarily bad thing, but it becomes bad when the system intentionally excludes the positive parts of our white history and the negatives we also faced and overcame.
Never was never will be.
No human on earth own land at all we shere and love on it together end of story
@@GreenSage307 100%. The land owns us, we don't own the land. Imagine saying 'I own my parents'. No, you belong to them.
@@rayroc5938 Australia belongs to White people. They're the ones who founded it.
Please Doc, can you tell us about the myth when the natives welcomed the brits to country every time they saw each other throughout the day
The Brits Rule and the Natives drool.
never heard this one. but i did hear how they would steal as much as they could.
Nice that someone know the truth
Arthur Phillip might have been told by the crown to pursue peaceful relations. But that doesn’t mean it turned out that way. Plenty of records of killings and mistreatment in the newspapers and individual’s journals of the time.
But also of the common Aboriginal on Aboriginal massacres and cannibalism
@@andrewstackpool4911 no that is not true at all. Aboriginals actually had peaceful relationships with surrounding tribes and there was no cannibalism at all there is no evidence. Absolutely zero evidence so don't spread lies it's childish and unintelligent
@@Lux-x4y …unfortunately, there is not only significant evidence for cannibalism- which you didn’t bother to look up before declaring that there was ‘no evidence at all’, because you didn’t WANT there to be, and you rely on the Dunning-Krueger effect.
There is also a lot of evidence of brutal territorial disputes, massacres, tribal warfare and atrocities between tribes.
I am genuinely sorry to burst your bubble. They were not idyllic tribes of peaceful co-existing cultures.
They were savage, just like we were savage in our homelands. Just like everyone was. They killed and invaded territories and conquered their neighbours, and a number of tribes are documented as living in constant flightiness and fear of their neighbours raiding them. This is nothing special or uniquely barbaric- it happened with Asian, European and South American tribes as well.
By declaring it isn’t so, simply because you don’t WANT to believe there is evidence, so you refuse to look it up and deny it exists, you are being exactly that- childish, and unintelligent.
History and humanity are scarred by war. All of us. We’ve been doing it since the start. Any tribe who refused to engage with warfare, never survived to be documented.
The book, 'the whole truth', should be compulsory reading in schools.
Could you please tell me the author?
@@melhawk1352 it just says 'Australian research house' on the cover.
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Captain Cooks expeditions to Australia were scientific expeditions . Botanist Sir Joseph Banks collected thousands of specimens of plants , animals & insects , for scientific study.
Introducing stone age people to civilisation is a gift. The Romans did it and the Egyptians did it.
The Jews still complain about the Egyptians and the Abos will keep complaining about the Brits. Some people will never get it.
@@Hotwire_RCTrix They still put their hand out for OUR money don't they.
No need to be a dumb racist and it's not the aboriginal people complaining its they're distant relatives
@@user-dy9bm7sk7n So would you if there was no work
Their introduction was through musket fire , "Abo's" died on the first encounter with colonisers. Nice introduction to civilisation
Perhaps the musket fire was a result of them being pelted with spears from the 'friendly' locals?@@wadetewano
Great to for see Stephen on.. he is a great Australian..
You cannot invade territory that is not owned by anyone. That is called settlement, not invasion. There was no system of permanent ownership prior to European settlement.
In other words, you need a European version of a 'Title Deed' to own your land. Interesting. You are another version of Zionism - I mean, God gave them Palestine 3 and a half thousand years ago so their Title Deed is God himself. Yes, very European, very 'civilized'.
@ you focus on this as though conquest is a solely European phenomenon. Who owned Central America after the Aztecs conquered all of the other tribes? Who owned Hokkaido after the Japanese conquered the indigenous Ainu? Who owned Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria after the Arabs conquered the berbers?
Why don’t you ever focus on those conquests? What do you think would have happened to indigenous Australians had the Ottoman Empire settled instead of the British?
@ Why don't you simply focus on what is being bulldusted about here: namely, European Christian Colonialism.
@ aren’t we talking about a broader question of what constitutes an invasion? Obviously we need to look at other examples in order to establish this
@ it must be said that before Europeans arrived in Australia, the continent was made up of hundreds of tribes (or nations) that warred violently with one another over control of resources. That is as close as they had to a system of land ownership. Then one day a very powerful tribe from Britain arrived and conquered them all. If you believe that the pre European system of right to land being determined by violence was legitimate, then you cannot then say that the British conquest of Australia was illegitimate.
Look at Law Of Nations 1753 broken
James Cook didn't discover the land leaving England as Lt Cook
Smallpox within blankets
Tribes guided off cliffs via force
Children heads kicked off like soccer balls
Full intention of harm
Settlement is a formal agreement which has never been established
Who signed a Title Deed & Whom were compensated?
Read William Dampier’s description of Aborigines he encountered in the coast of WA late 1600s.
Not flattering was it 😁
Is this available online or at a Library ? It sounds worth being read!
You could read Captain Cooks "The most wretched people on earth ..." and you may understand the simplicity and beauty in their needs
@@chesterwilson9796 yes there is, but I would have to locate it again to tell you where. Not hard, I was looking at it not long back so I will locate it and post it here. Was a Melbourne university collation of Aus history from about 1911 or so by some woman.
Oh Dear John & Co, hopes and intentions don't always translate to action - as demonstrated by our history.
Lyndall Ryan’s work in developing the ‘Colonial Frontier Massacres, Australia, 1788 to 1930’ is an excellent example of this.
Documented stories of colonial violence.
Invasion/Colonial violence lies at the heart of our nation’s foundation.
Mate, the sheople on here aren't gonna like you for shoving the truth rather than bulldust down their gobs.
cherry picking acts of violence don't discredit the good people who arrived in this land. why do you only want to think the worst?
Thankyou for stating the truth.
I’ve been living in Australia for a long time now, and it saddens me to say that on Australia Day, each year, there are people who talk to me like it was bloody me who caused all the stuff back in the early days (not my mates or such just random on the street), all because I’m British
That's the problem with genocide. It reverberates through the centuries and is never forgotten and certainly never forgiven.
@@habibhaloumi If that were true, then Japan would show nothing but absolute hatred towards the United States for nuking them twice on an unimaginable scale of suffering. And yet they don't. So I certainly don't agree that genocide normally "reverberates". Ongoing hatred is a choice.
@@jimtekkit Thanks for your reply. I disagree that the two scenarios can't be compared. Imperial Japan caused the deaths of millions upon millions of people throughout Asia, including the Massacre of Nanjing, medical experimentation on live humans, ceremonial beheadings, death marches, starvation. Men women children........babies. Horrendous and in the millions. I can't speak for post war Japanese, but I strongly suggest that the collective guilt they felt brought an acceptance that the US had to do what they did, which was to end the war as quickly as possible to prevent many more millions from dying at the hands of their Imperial Japan. On the other hand the colonisation of Australia, upon a people who were in 1788 living a way of life that they had for thousands of years? Their genocide reverberates every day in Australia today and will for another 200 years unless Australia directly address it and make good the wrong in the correct way. That's just the nature of genocide. You can kick the can down the road as long as you like, but it won't ever go away. That's our colonial legacy, sadly.
Your people did cause all of this stuff. By this stuff I mean a first world nation that is good as. We need to return to the tradition of our great founders like Edmund Barton and Alfred Deakin. White Australia Policy worked.
@@habibhaloumi whatever "Habib" Opinion discarded.
Never let the truth get in the way of the current agenda.
Everybody's talking about agendas but no one will actually talk about The details
Yup , that's how the exploiters like to roll.
@ Exploiters LOL
the current agenda is to find the most wonderful transgender indigenous person and put them on TV.
If you want to know more about these stories read “1788” by David Hill. There are quotes from historical journals that support what Dr Chavura is saying.
“On arrival in Australia in New South Wales the governor had given instructions that the Aboriginal people were to be treated in a friendly way”. The surgeon George Worgan wrote as such in a letter dated 12-18 June 1788.
Happy Lunar New Year Stephen! We all know how much you love Australia's multicultural make-up!
Hope to see you celebrating!
Jesus Christ is the only God. One day all people, Chinese, Hebrew, Indian, African, Italian, Greek, Russian, Anglo, Aboriginal and Native peoples, Middle Easterners, will be bowing the knee to Him and Him alone!
It was the convicts who were slaves and mistreated!!
Better references please. Which exact documents / recounts are you referring to?
Just read the journals and letters from the time.
@@Lee-cc9jf Give me an example of one that has this information.
@@martyb154 www2.sl.nsw.gov.au/archive/discover_collections/history_nation/terra_australis/letters/phillip/index.html
@@martyb154 look up "Arthur Phillips first letters from the colony"
@@martyb154 why my replies get deleted ??
It's was the same or moreso for Captain James Cook. He was mainly raised by Quakers and on top of that his orders from the Crown were to befriend the natives on his travels and had a large amount of beads etc for gifting, establishing a relationship with and trading with them. He did shoot natives in NZ, but that was only after Cooks men had been attacked. Also, when Cook was murdered, it was by natives, but he was the murdered, not the murderer.
Well, it actually was ' so has almost every nation that could not defend it self ' It's no different today, either .
That might be well, but we know for sure in practice did not happen. Whilst the ABC might only show one side, he is only talking about the best case scenario on "his side". Discuss the plight of the Tasmanian Aboriginals
Then why weren't the American natives considered subjects of the Crown also?
They were until America was born
And plus England didn't have control of all of America only certain colonies.
Australia was colonised much later and opinions on slavery shifted massively in that time
One of the reasons for the Declaration of Independence - although Americans won't like to hear it - was because we had struck a treaty with the native population and the Crown regarded those within the 13 colonies as subjects of King George with British rights. The American colonists often thought otherwise, and the Declaration of Independence actually refers to what they saw as the Crown's lenient attitude to "Indian Savages".
".....endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes, and conditions."
I pray that all Australians unite because we are the lucky country. We are all humans. Same heart, same blood, same soul 🇦🇺
Has been under Albo
If the British wanted the aboriginals removed good chance we wouldn’t know what an aboriginal is today. But victims need to create their own reality in order to receive benefits. Aboriginals say they want equal rights and so on I totally agree. They can go and make their own living like everyone else. And no I don’t consider all aboriginals as bludgers I have known quite a few that work as hard as anyone else
So, what happened in Tasmania ?
How did aboriginal men treat their women
@@SunnyBoyy448 Aboriginal men treated Aboriginal females great. Much better than British culture
@@Lux-x4yI'm not so sure about that. Aboriginal women extensively intermarried/interbred with Anglo men, suggesting they preferred them
@@Lux-x4y they still do to this day ... 👊🤛🌟🦶🦶🤢🤮🤮
@@SunnyBoyy448 Good question, mate. what's it got to do with mass-murdering abos in van deiemans land?
Why not put all these good things into a legal binding document like a Treaty? Every other colonised country by England has one. 'Britain had annexxed the Territory' So the original 'First Fleet' (the first British fleet anyway) wanted to do good to Aboriginal people- No slavery, no segregation, equal rights, Citizenship etc. and yet history shows us a different story.- no Citizenship prior 67', Stolen Wages & indentured service, segregation - hence the suburb of Blacktown in Sydney for eg, The White Australia policy and Stolen Generations. I don't hear alot from either the Right or the Left about the positives of Indigenous people. So go on- share your lived positive experiences of the Indigenous population...
Thank you.
Lucky in 1942 we were not invaded by a very aggressive foe . With out our magnificent soldiers stopping them at Kokoda , no one would have survived . Stop playing the bloody victim . Move on .😡
Are you saying that Japanese genocide would have been better than British genocide? Not a very good argument really.
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The first fleet didn’t want to risk a war , early , but after establishing there were murders and massacres
yep
This is typical English double-speak, say one thing publicly, but actually do something else in reality. This is what they said publicly, but in reality some of them were actually shooting indigenous people for fun - which is documented, so leaving that out of this conversation makes you a liar. It’s why Pemulway started his war of defense. However the bulk of the British were actually slaves themselves and not the decision makers, so the Aussies are not fully guilty, it’s the English ruling classes who made the decisions.
Why then would England send their worst criminals to Australia if they wanted peace and coexistence?
This actually says nothing about the issue of invasion at all. It only talks about the intentions of the invasion. It was still an invasion ir is impossible to deny that without being ignorant or dosingenuous. Look at the results.
You are 100% correct. This video is shocking in its deception. Within a few short decades of arrival, the invasion was in full swing and the genocide had begun. Anderson and Chavura conveniently ignore that so as to feed misinformation out into the public domain and stir up hate and ignorance. Disgraceful!
you mean a civilisation lives here now? with a written language, science, medicine, actual music?
@@brunetteXer Yes a civilisation lives here now that strips the environment until there is nothing left to extract, that swims in an epidemic of domestic violence, sits on its backside watching TV or social media for hours every day in judgment and persecution of others. Not so civilised really...... if you look at it from another angle.
29th of April 1770 .
26th of January 1949 .
Australia Day does not celebrate cooks landing , it celebrates the fact that we are no longer british subjects .
If you already know that tell everyone you know !
Never came with the intent of killing aboriginal people ... but still killed aboriginal people , lots of aboriginal people , so many it's considered genocide. So many deaths by colonisers they are recorded as massacres , over 400 of these massacres :(
It's only considered a "genocide" to ignorant marxists - much in the same way as you describe what's happening in Israel, where it's only you lot that propagate lies.
Thank you.
My fathers ancestors we re some of the first free settlers to arrive in Sydney Australia on the Corromandel ship.The first school building and church at Ebenezer NSW. Even my father has said this about the indiginous people,he s 84 now and was in the army and also went to war in Vietnam.
You said a bunch of nothing other than your father was a racist.
God bless australia let’s ban welcome to country yesssss
No let's not do that. Every single thing we have comes from this land that we dispossessed our indigenous peoples of. A little bit of recognition to aboriginals for all our wealth and riches is a tiny price to pay and a reminder to us that the spoils of our victory has some very noble history behind it.
@ they are backwards primitive people who live in the past
They would rather drag their arses for the rest of their lives as victims and stay basket cases even though they are privileged in this country
Actions speak louder than words. Whatever was said by the British Crown or by Captain Arthur Phillips meant nothing if the perpetrators of hundreds of massacres of Aborigines went unpunished.
Communists also said wonderful things about their communist system of governance such as "From each according to his ability. To each according to his needs." But the reality of life under all communist countries was the complete opposite. How do we feel if some die-hard communists today try to defend communism by quoting some wonderful statements by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels?
Get over it. You can't change humanity.
@@Lee-cc9jf point is, europe was not invited. There sure enough were massacres and forced displacement. We can move on from this but its delusional to say it was never an invasion
His main argument is that the Crown didn't want them to do horrible things, but ignores that the settlers lied and told the Crown that the Aborigines weren't human. They were classified under "Flaura and Fauna" to get around that loophole.
So What?. This kind of thing happened all over the world at the time. Sure it was terrible but I didn't do it so I'm not going to feel guilty about it. Also remember that during the 'Frontier Wars' there was massacres on both sides, so are the Aboriginal going to apologise for that?
Are we talking about aborigines or Communists I think you need to get a grip
The Activist do want to know the Truth.
I think they just can't interpret the Truth because they know there are two sorts of human.
THEMSELVES and the rest of humanity who are the ENEMY.
Historical records, written by the invaders, what a flog.
Exactly.
LITERALLY
Rather than call it Invasion Day the ungrateful indigenous population should call it Gratitude Day. Think about all the benefits of British colonization. Improvements in infant mortality, life expectancy, dentistry, and the whole medical system. They were saved from the tribalism, constant tribal warfare and the mutilation of boys in their initiation rituals. Western civilisation has brought them a MUCH HIGHER quality of life.
Yes, there were some rough bits like massacres, but the largest recorded massacre was black on black in their tribal warfare. Two centuries ago human rights were not even close to what people think of today.
If it wasn’t the British it would have been another colonial power that would have treated them MUCH worse. The Australian indigenous population got lucky with British colonization.
The Aborigines should call 26 January Gratitude Day.
again most of the people complaining arnt indigenous people, they are like white people some with like 2% indigenous blood and grew up completly away from indigenous culture and
You seem to speak from indoctrination
So why all the massacre sites that continue to be unearthed? Why the legal fiction of Terra Nullius? Come on, it's naive to think the empire did not know EXACTLY what it was doing.
All the issue and event happened After the first colony was settled as most of the issue was about some native who didn't understand the laws, as they stole food and started fights, the mafer massacre happened when a large number tried to take over the colony it was a sad event but many believe it was a slaughter by the British but other account say otherwise, the fact is, the British what given instructions not again not to trouble the native population, but it hard when they keep starting fight stealing and raping the women yet you don't her that side do you!
It was the farmers they were causing all the problems which they still are today but in different ways
@Jumbo-k4t No. Not just farmers. The British red coats, and police contributed to thousands of murders in Queensland alone.
@@Seagulligus No they didnt, that is a lie.
@@Seagulligus Yes they contributed as well, also killing thousands of white people .
"Australia was not invaded". Oh, yes, I thought ,this will be a laugh. And it is. A laughable defence. He starts with a children's play, and then makes his own children's play. He depends on words of others as some kind of proof. Mate, words are useless. Actions matter. Disease, poisons, guns all used to eliminate those rid the colonial of the locals. He used the Straw Man argument, as usual. Construct an absurdly simple, hopeless opposite, and it is so easy to prove it wrong. Man, you are a disgrace to reason and historical analysis. Mate, you are hopeless. How did you get a doctorate? Or WHERE did you buy it? In the uni of lower Utah perhaps.
The crown was highjacked by banks following the battle of Waterloo.
Should be called save day. We could have been Japanese, Dutch or germane. What then?
Mate, the brittish rocked up, said no one lives here, then took over the land that had been inhabited for over 70,000 years, you are completely wrong. They had no right whatsoever, to even step foot on the land without permission. The country was completely inhabited already. Do you understand that?
Now it's 70,000 years. Some bearded professional victim said '250,000 years' at a 'welcome to country', soon it will be 500,000 years, then 1 million. Soon they'll be claiming Australia was the birthplace of the species, and was a blissful utopia until aliens arrived, from outer space apparently. I saw a black activist actually say (when referring to 'genocide') 'White Australians have to accept it. It's history, get over it.' I agree 100%. It's history, get over it.
@rayroc5938 ,wow, I bet I'm not the first person to call you an idiot.
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Sorry bud, the Aboriginals did zero with the land, they built zero civilizations. Anyone crying that half of New Guinea is now owned by Indonesia? Nope. If Australian does not throw its guilt into the Trash Can, it will be conquered by Indonesia as well.
I'm literally shaking right now!