Attacking America Is a Devastating Miscalculation - Sarah Paine

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  • @DwarkeshPatel
    @DwarkeshPatel  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +61

    SARAH PAINE AMA -
    Tomorrow (Jan 30th) the third and final episode in the lecture series drops! For a limited time after the release, Sarah will be answering your questions in the comments. Really excited for this one!

    • @lorenzkraus6888
      @lorenzkraus6888 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why do you promote this reject?

    • @schuylerkrizay6192
      @schuylerkrizay6192 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lorenzkraus6888 he makes her money obviously lmfao what do you think

    • @craig16576
      @craig16576 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      How do escalating tensions in the South China Sea affect North Korea’s strategic positioning and diplomatic leverage?

    • @alexandriat5929
      @alexandriat5929 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DwarkeshPatel
      I adore this woman's mind.

    • @billhinkle1653
      @billhinkle1653 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto who masterminded the attack on Pearl Harbor told Hirohito and Tojo that Japan could never invade America because behind every blade of grass was a man with a rifle. Thank you 2nd amendment

  • @austinbranham9288
    @austinbranham9288 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1868

    Never interrupt Americans being pissed at each other to be pissed at you.

    • @sulla1537
      @sulla1537 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      😂

    • @vadstradamus
      @vadstradamus 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +127

      @@sulla1537 Accurate. I was just thinking that we're like petulant siblings. Sure, we're punching each other in the face, but god help anyone else that shows up and throws a rock at either of us.

    • @wilee.coyote5298
      @wilee.coyote5298 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

      Exactly, it's like domestic disputes. Don't get involved, or they'll turn on you.

    • @lIlIlIlIlIIIlIllIIllIII
      @lIlIlIlIlIIIlIllIIllIII 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      so much mental masturbation in all of these comments and the entire podcast... this is all said to just ramp up American jingoism - she talks about 9/11 but doesn't mention the costly wars that went on after for years on end with no real resolution. The Taliban were majorly spurred on by the US government and the Iraq and Afghanistan wars spent trillions of American dollars that could've gone to health care, education, and aid in this country. Not to mention all the warmongers profiteering from extended conflict and the senseless death of American lives so the rich could get richer. An mass opioid crisis and dying middle class are a result of awful blank-check policymaking all throughout the start of the 21st century. "Don't mess with us or we'll send our most vicious dogs to your country! Not my child though, I'm an educated elite and my son? He's going to an Ivy League school. But your redneck children can roil in a mutilated death for my benefit for sure." Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Iraq & Afghanistan -- all dirty wars fought on the laurels of the only noble US war in WW2.

    • @johnrobinson4445
      @johnrobinson4445 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wise words because we will be unholy pissed at each other and find a way to not kill each other (usually).
      Outsiders will not be granted the same leniency.

  • @FLBLUE777
    @FLBLUE777 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +958

    "There is political turmoil in the USA! Now is the time to strike while theyre divided!"
    *stricks the US*
    US: Congratulations, you have our undivided attention

    • @rosc2022
      @rosc2022 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      👍

    • @alexandriat5929
      @alexandriat5929 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@FLBLUE777 Now I see why so many came from Europe and why our framers built our constitution they way they did.
      lol we aren't the parties and the same doner trash that is mucking up everything also bought other countries too. Why were European countries put in an adversarial role with the states, though we are partners with many in europe?
      As armed as America is, if the people were divided the entire world would hear the guns banging lmao.
      We debate and no one likes the corrupt establishment.

    • @bengaljam4550
      @bengaljam4550 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      @@rosc2022 There was political turmoil in 1941. Americans were divided between being an isolationist to an understanding of entering WWII. Don't mess with America.

    • @PHDInRhyme
      @PHDInRhyme 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Stricks the U.S? Please tell me that’s a spelling error!? 😮

    • @smootheddie6931
      @smootheddie6931 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      About a month too late

  • @joeybabybaby5843
    @joeybabybaby5843 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +440

    A few hours after the 9/11 attacks I listened to shortwave newscasts from around the world. The only 100% common theme was "whoever did this, you chose THE wrong folks to pick a fight with".

    • @dchiznit209
      @dchiznit209 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

      I remember even as a school age kid…the general sentiment was condolences…understandably because this was an unprecedented attack. But also because EVERYONE knew that anything remotely close to joy would automatically put you on America’s hitlist for the next 2-3 generations

    • @OneBiasedOpinion
      @OneBiasedOpinion 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

      Most of the time we’re content to pick on each other and squabble about our differences. But people keep forgetting we _are_ still 50 war tribes in a trench coat, and nothing unites us more completely than a clear and hostile enemy attacking our land.
      I remember seeing the reports on various involved nations celebrating openly about the collapse of the towers and the reaction of everyone else was “oh those poor bastards.”

    • @MrMjolnir69
      @MrMjolnir69 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Ourselves, you mean?

    • @katsura2605
      @katsura2605 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah the people were lied to.
      Its an inside job.
      An excuse for genocide
      And to destroy the proof in the building
      A war machine born from hell
      We wont mess with you but God will.
      By that time you will realize, yall were not so high and mighty like you think you are
      Erasing million lives is not to be proud of..only devils is proud of america..a shame to the whole world

    • @Kitiwake
      @Kitiwake 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      What a pity they never found out who but just went on rampage of destruction.

  • @frankbieser
    @frankbieser 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +414

    As I understand it, Yamamoto (who studied in the US) understood this about Americans, and had strongly advised against the attack. But Tojo was a big believer in Japanese superiority and that Americans were lazy, and corrupt, and pushed forward believing it would be a cake walk.

    • @iche9373
      @iche9373 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +45

      In other words, Tojo was a racist.

    • @johnstirling6597
      @johnstirling6597 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +88

      Yamamoto said to the Japanese military high command on the submission of his Pearl Harbour attack plan, " if we go through with this, I will run rampant in the Pacific for 6 months, then we should sue for a peace deal, any longer and we are doomed". He got it fairly right , after Midway there was no possibility of a Japanese victory.

    • @madensmith7014
      @madensmith7014 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      The Japanese superiority is mostly not true. Everyone knew well how much of a sleeping beast the US was.
      I've come to the realization that Tojo and his ilk were gamblers. They won against the Russians before even if it was thought impossible, surely they can pull off the same miracle.

    • @deadandburied7626
      @deadandburied7626 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Japan was always army superiority over navy. Tojo was pro-army.

    • @jam8539
      @jam8539 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@madensmith7014 less gamblers and did the only move they thought they could make, it was either die now or maybe win, they picked maybe win. even the slimmest chance of victory was better than defeat and the Amercans had backed them into a corner where they had no opton but to fight now or lose later.

  • @ndhosh7235
    @ndhosh7235 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1540

    Don’t touch our boats.

    • @NoPe-no4sn
      @NoPe-no4sn 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +85

      They drop the sun on you

    • @Hobomuskrat
      @Hobomuskrat 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +108

      The cross section of fan bases here is a circle 😅😅😅

    • @gametheoretic
      @gametheoretic 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

      MUH BOATS.

    • @PentaRaus
      @PentaRaus 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

      Except for the USS Liberty🤣

    • @jasonwart
      @jasonwart 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      Some of us have checklists :)

  • @unbreakable7633
    @unbreakable7633 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +255

    The Japanese believed Americans wouldn't fight, were too materialistic and self-involved. They didn't know enough American history and about Americans. For about 50 years after the American Civil War, the world left us alone because they concluded that if Americans would do that to each other, you didn't want to mess with them.

    • @shadow6543
      @shadow6543 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      We are a passionate people, the rest of the world doesn’t quite understand.

    • @moonbaby6134
      @moonbaby6134 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Strange how the only to civil wars to mean anything are the American and English. FAFO. For those that mess with Brits and Spams.

    • @loghorizon45
      @loghorizon45 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@shadow6543yeah. You folks are always really outspoken about everything. 😄

    • @chomama1628
      @chomama1628 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      We are like family. We pick at each other but if you touch one of us you will fight ALL of us.

    • @GenkiGoLucky
      @GenkiGoLucky 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@chomama1628 Unless you’re a regular joe with a federal job or soldier that happens to be lgbt 😅

  • @BauerPower1nc
    @BauerPower1nc 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +267

    The talks with this woman are phenomenal. Thank you for interesting content

    • @wilburbrickowski
      @wilburbrickowski 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nope she’s just a dem tool.

  • @anthonygerace332
    @anthonygerace332 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +470

    She is brilliant. My wife grew up in Japan and her parents' generation (all deceased now) were the war generation. Her father was in the Japanese Navy and survived two of the most deadly naval battles in history, and her mother saw her city Sendai destroyed (like almost all Japanese cities) by American bombers. Her parents hated the war and were actually happy about the (relatively benign) postwar American occupation. But, of course, during the war her parents "did their duty" and never opposed the government.

    • @worms1
      @worms1 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      the parents never expected to see their children again

    • @minoyru71
      @minoyru71 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Sad war

    • @Blaqjaqshellaq
      @Blaqjaqshellaq 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      The term "relatively benign" makes me uneasy. (It reminds me of the Douglas Adams book title MOSTLY HARMLESS...)

    • @edonveil9887
      @edonveil9887 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      ​@Blaqjaqshellaq there's a reason for NATO having 30+ members. Think about Berlin wall.

    • @Blaqjaqshellaq
      @Blaqjaqshellaq 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ Many people hated the Berlin Wall, but its construction may have prevented World War III...

  • @Alexkaleipahula88
    @Alexkaleipahula88 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    I live in Hawaii we were taught in elementary school middle school and high school about Pearl Harbor. I remember the Bugler for the USS West Virginia, Richard Fiske coming into our class in fifth grade and sharing his story. He jumped overboard after the two bombs exploded. Swam through flaming oil in the water to survive. Swimming underwater and clearing a hole to breathe through the fire with his hands. Rip sir

  • @JohnA-ch4sc
    @JohnA-ch4sc 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +182

    I experienced this "miscalculation" first hand. I was serving on a volunteer board of a non profit that promoted international culture. This board was very diverse and included folks that had immigrated from the middle east (including Afghanistan, Iran, & Iraq). Just a week after 9-11, the board was meeting to decide what to do about our community outreach activities. I kept trying to tell them we were done for the foreseeable future. They kept insisting that it would all blow over and we'd go back to normal. I told them that right that very minute, as we were talking, US special forces were already on the ground in their countries preparing that ground for war. That within weeks, a significant troop insertions would be happening to at least one of their countries, and that within months, the full force and might of the US military would be brought to bear and one of them would be the recipient of a large scale invasion. They looked at me like I was a fool to be pitied.
    Despite the fact that we'd already invaded Iraq once, and they hadn't even attacked us directly, they thought we'd do nothing.

    • @bengaljam4550
      @bengaljam4550 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      How did that turn out?

    • @OneBiasedOpinion
      @OneBiasedOpinion 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bengaljam4550we flattened every last one of them, only to get our victory snatched from us by an incompetent president in one of the single biggest strategic blunders in modern military history.

    • @mariotrujillo4927
      @mariotrujillo4927 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@JohnA-ch4sc This "Masculination". Already you lost.

    • @brent829
      @brent829 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah it was definitely stupid, but I think the point is USA being able to just straight take over another country's government from time to time is viewed as some a sort of international flex. But it's also straight bully behavior and USA ends up leaving with a black eye. I would be quite dangerous for anybody to actually try to take over USA. It's also going to be cyber terrorism and small terrorist attacks from here on out I think.

    • @sumdude4281
      @sumdude4281 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@bengaljam4550 I missed the part where OBL is alive?

  • @mordecaisackett9421
    @mordecaisackett9421 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +216

    "Don't tread on me" is one of the oldest American war slogans...

    • @15walkingaway
      @15walkingaway 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      "no step on snek"

    • @marymorris6897
      @marymorris6897 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Right on.

    • @SomeDumbFuck-f6d
      @SomeDumbFuck-f6d 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The other one is don't bend over to pick up the soap

    • @luierdaneenpamper3877
      @luierdaneenpamper3877 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      As a european we laugh a lot about america in it's current state, but holy f*uck can you guys be badasses too! I would be proud if i was american, especially at the military 💪🏼

    • @MariaHeredia-dw4id
      @MariaHeredia-dw4id 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Unless you’re the elites and that one untouchable state from the same area.

  • @rkarnes6304
    @rkarnes6304 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +216

    Up until 9-11 Japanese public schools never taught about Pearl Harbor. It was quite a shock to today's Japanese when they started hearing about 9-11 being "The Second Pearl Harbor". They REALLY SAT UP in their seats when they heard this!

    • @MMuraseofSandvich
      @MMuraseofSandvich 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

      They still don't teach everything the Japanese army and "statesmen" like Kishi did between 1930 and 1941. That's why my mom thinks Nanjing was overblown.

    • @Maibuwolf
      @Maibuwolf 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@MMuraseofSandvich Yea and the US doesnt teach about the war crimes they committed either. What is your point?

    • @Alexkaleipahula88
      @Alexkaleipahula88 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I live in Hawaii we were taught in elementary school middle school and high school about Pearl Harbor. I remember the bugler for the USS West Virginia coming into our class in fifth grade and sharing his story. He jumped overboard after the two bombs exploded. Swam through flaming oil in the water to survive. Swimming underwater and clearing a hole to breathe through the fire with his hands.

    • @plixsticks
      @plixsticks 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

      @@Maibuwolf I was taught about many war crimes USA committed here in the states - a majority of it in college but some in high school. We spent a good chunk of time on the My Lai massacre and the picture of the kidding running and napalm is plastered in my textbook. Along with that we also learned about:
      The trail of tears
      Japanese internement camps
      Atom bombs (from both perspectives)
      And my favorite history teacher even touched on the firebombings the allies did in WW2
      So I don't know what you're talking about lol

    • @NaatClark
      @NaatClark 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      @@Maibuwolf We do though... We have more US history classes than World history classes. We learnt about Vietnam and the Mai Lai massacre and such in highschool and before that we learn about slavery and before that we learn about how we genocided the natives before, during, and after Manifest Destiny.

  • @dagdamor1
    @dagdamor1 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +291

    "We attacked three boats, they dropped the SUN ON US TWICE."
    -TheRussianBadger

    • @missKushite
      @missKushite 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      😢😢😢

    • @Fibonaccisghost
      @Fibonaccisghost 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

      Not quite. Japan committed an entire slew of war crimes in Asia, they took Guam, Wake Island, the Philippines, and were headed to Australia to take that over until the US stopped them. They treated allied POWs abysmally and the Bataan Death March is the crowning event of their brutality. So not exactly just 3 boats.

    • @LIGO-LHC
      @LIGO-LHC 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      They also committed unspeakable torture and medical experiments on captured us soldiers akin to the brutality of the nazis.

    • @jasonleetaiwan
      @jasonleetaiwan 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@FibonaccisghostThey also committed an untold number of war crimes in China which the US didn’t care about in 1937 to 1939 mostly. They also committed atrocities after the Dolittle Raid in Zhenjiang Province. The US only cares about these things if it’s against their interests, not because they are wrong.

    • @Fibonaccisghost
      @Fibonaccisghost 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ not quite that either and that’s a really broad claim. The US was China’s main ally in the war against Japan. Why did the US send airmen (the flying tigers) to help the Chinese right at the start of the war? Why did the US put embargos on oil to Japan before the war? Because of what they were doing in Asia. Get out of here with your anti American shit.

  • @alexeigolik4516
    @alexeigolik4516 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +213

    That "No" was just beautiful

    • @onemysore6120
      @onemysore6120 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      So much of American culture is explained in this “No.”

    • @AdrianCHOY
      @AdrianCHOY 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      China has never been part of Japan, so what was Japan doing there in the first place? Their actions during the war led to immense suffering and loss of life in a country where they had no rightful presence. Given this history, it’s understandable that feelings of resentment and mistrust persist.
      As for Japan’s defeat in World War II, it might have been avoided had they not provoked the United States by attacking Pearl Harbor. Before that, the U.S. had maintained a largely isolationist stance, primarily supplying weapons to various sides without direct involvement in the conflict. It was Japan’s decision to draw the U.S. into the war that ultimately sealed their fate.

    • @MartinInBC
      @MartinInBC 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AdrianCHOY Hence the Not The Nine O'Clock News joke during Reagan times that America was trying to make up for being late to the last two World Wars by being really early for the next one.

    • @LarryWater
      @LarryWater 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Japan wanted to modernize China the same way it modernize Korea and Taiwan.

    • @AdrianCHOY
      @AdrianCHOY 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LarryWater What are you talking about? China rejects Japan. There’s no way Japan can impose its values on China.

  • @DanteAtropos
    @DanteAtropos 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +225

    The art of war is a cold calculus of blood, famine, and untold atrocities.

    • @bufordhighwater9872
      @bufordhighwater9872 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The science of war is a calculus of time, money, public opinion, and politics.
      The art of war is a tapestry woven in guts, dyed in blood, and displaying horror too unnerving too be fake.

    • @mikestewart4752
      @mikestewart4752 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      So is the CCP! 👍👍

    • @koczan8464
      @koczan8464 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Also turning neighbors against each other (modern ideological wars)

    • @AmeliaHouck-o9j
      @AmeliaHouck-o9j 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      AMERICANS ARE ANGRY AND NO LONGER FRIENDLY SO LEAVE US BE OR WHAT CAN WE DO TO YOU AS NOW WE HATE ! LOVE IT DO YOU ?? NO FRIENDLY AMERICAN FOR YOU EVER AGAIN AND WE NOW RULE THE WORLD SO SHUT UP AND OBEY AND SUBMIT OR ELSE WHAT CAN WE DO TOO YOU ?? !!!!

    • @OneBiasedOpinion
      @OneBiasedOpinion 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      And we are TERRIBLE at math, so we just turn the dials all the way up and hope the enemy surrenders before we start inadvertently adding more clauses to the Geneva Conventions.

  • @SkeletalBasis
    @SkeletalBasis 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +105

    One of the weirdest facts is that very soon after the Americans had exacted their plentiful vengeance, the two parties proceeded to get along quite well.

    • @stevrgrs
      @stevrgrs 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      As it should be. We got our point across. Why would we want an enemy vs a friend :)

    • @scotth6814
      @scotth6814 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

      Because the Allies learned a lesson from WW1. If you penalize your defeated enemy, they will hate you. That was the cause of WW2. But if you befriend your defeated enemy, and help them rebuild, then you make a friend, as happened with Japan and Germany.

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      ​​@@scotth6814
      Precisely. I'd say WW2 was the fault of the Allies more than anything else, with the Treaty of Versailles.

    • @TheUnreliableNarrator64
      @TheUnreliableNarrator64 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@scotth6814True but that was a lesson learned too late. The sanctions put on Germany after WW1 is what allowed hitler to gain power and start ww2.

    • @harcoom
      @harcoom 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@thalmoragent9344 i would agree but we still can’t shirk main responsibility being the countries that invaded other countries.

  • @coastsouljah
    @coastsouljah 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I love you so much Dr Paine. I literally search for your videos to relax. It's comforting to know we have people like you around in these troubling times.

    • @coastsouljah
      @coastsouljah 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You, Arthur Waldron and Chomsky have the most soothing voices and brains.

  • @ToddMathis-fg1pn
    @ToddMathis-fg1pn 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    This lady is so logical in her interpretation of these small facts and large narratives and strings them into perfect sense based on what we know. I love to listen to her work her way through history.

  • @solortus
    @solortus 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    Japan never thought they could win against America. Admiral Yamamoto studied at harvard and loved hotdogs and baseball and knew just how large and powerful america was - he kney they'd never win. The Japanese plan was to seize control of southeast asia and to destroy a crippled american navy in the pacific after pearl harbor. Problem is America was very much capable of replenishing its navy to more than what the Japanese can handle

    • @jamessweet5341
      @jamessweet5341 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The key really was that the American carrier force was away from Pearl Harbor on 12/7/41. Those three CVs turned the war in the first year.

  • @BigMKatmn1
    @BigMKatmn1 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +223

    i think every country feels that way...ww2 showed that America was very good at mass production and our top general Eisenhower's top priority was logistics.

    • @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
      @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      91% tax rate

    • @erozionzeall6371
      @erozionzeall6371 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      now china dominates mass production

    • @SongSparrow1
      @SongSparrow1 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      And who does the massive production now? Not us, half as much as decades ago.

    • @owensmith3995
      @owensmith3995 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I have always wondered how the second war war would have gone for America if the Russians had not fought the Germans first.

    • @luciferdeville
      @luciferdeville 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Top priority being logistics? HMz, yeah, look into operation Market Garden. That logistics caused half my country to suffer a winter of hunger intstead of being liberated. Thanks, i guess?

  • @peterbellini6102
    @peterbellini6102 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +250

    "If you mess with us, it gets ugly" - mic drop supremo

    • @sunset2.00
      @sunset2.00 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      USA messed in middle east first. Al Qaeda is a by product of it.

    • @michaelhartharthart
      @michaelhartharthart 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

    • @chrisjackson1215
      @chrisjackson1215 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      @@michaelhartharthart If you don't count terrorists crossing back between Iraq and Afghanistan then sure. It has nothing to do with it.
      Iraq isn't the first Country to be a casualty in a war because they failed to keep combatants from using their territory, and they won't be the last.

    • @BlackButComely
      @BlackButComely 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      She a True American who spoke nun but the truth

    • @mamdhata1614
      @mamdhata1614 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And if you are an ally, then it is equally dangerous

  • @jeffreysmith6910
    @jeffreysmith6910 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Sarah Paine is the walking embodiment of real politik - and I love it!

  • @hmlegegend
    @hmlegegend 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +85

    Guys, watch the full interview after the short before commenting. I am seeing some funny comments due to a lack of context. This woman is genuinely insightful.

    • @dianhyouvideo
      @dianhyouvideo 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      The thumbnail is wrong. It shows WTC when the topic is WW2.

    • @edonveil9887
      @edonveil9887 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@dianhyouvideothe context is retaliation.

    • @detroitfunk313
      @detroitfunk313 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Or not.

    • @codyvandal2860
      @codyvandal2860 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      She's literally just a propagandist for US hegemony.

    • @thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852
      @thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      ​@@codyvandal2860well shes not wrong. But thank you chairman mao

  • @Adam_B
    @Adam_B 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Love the editing. Her talks are nice, but the context your edits make are great!

  • @jayg339
    @jayg339 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    There’s definitely a truth that on that outside we can look divided and vulnerable. Even right now, we are going through political division and turmoil. I guarantee this though - if there was a major terrorist attack or attack from another nation on our soil, we would become united and forget those divisions real fucking quick.

  • @Un.CivilEngineer
    @Un.CivilEngineer 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +118

    The US was not leaving the UK hanging out to dry. They helped as much as was legally allowed and often went beyond that.
    Also the Us has made it's share of devastating miscalculations, like Vietnam, Iraq. Even Afghanistan turned out to be a disaster.

    • @NoPe-no4sn
      @NoPe-no4sn 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Vietnam is one of our top trade partners. It was a mistake at the time but looks better now

    • @solus48
      @solus48 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      She was saying what it looked like from the Japanese perspective.

    • @brhbrh5572
      @brhbrh5572 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No. They SOLD as much as they could (at extortionate rates) to the UK, whilst still trading with the Germans.

    • @johnyarbrough502
      @johnyarbrough502 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      "Hanging out to dry" is a short form description of how the Japanese military, who were running the show, perceived what was happening. Elsewhere there's a Short where she points out US saw the mission in Afghanistan and Iraq to be "nation building" where there was no preexisting sense of "nation" to build on. She makes the distinction with rebuilding Germany and Japan where there was a historic national identity and many of the structures of civilian government were still in place.

    • @machinelearning-r4z
      @machinelearning-r4z 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Well the treasury secretary at the time is quoted to say that the goal of lend-lease was to strip the British Empire of its assets to ensure post-war U.S. dominance. The secretary of war Henry Stimson said that FDR used the policy to avoid the reconstitution of British empires own world dominance from the ashes of the war.
      The people didn't have a large appetite for another war and to be honest that is fair enough, but those in power certainly used the bulk of the period to position themselves ahead at the detriment of their allies. That "legally allowed" stuff doesn't really play for a country that does what it likes when it suits them.
      They of course were only pushed to join after being attacked themselves.

  • @argus1393
    @argus1393 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +148

    The Japanese thought that they would sue for peace. They really believed we would not respond.

    • @jhonklan3794
      @jhonklan3794 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Same with al-qaeda .There is a myth that Bin Laden wanted US to intervene to harm our global rep. This is false. The Bin Laden papers reveal that OBL thought America would capitulate to his plans once it costs us on the mainland. He was completely caught of guard by the scale of our response. It also prevented him from launching a bunch of other terrorist plots he had imagined. As a result AQ disintegrated.

    • @boulderbash19700209
      @boulderbash19700209 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      They had the experience against the Russian tsar in 1905, and thought that the USA would be the same.

    • @audiosreality
      @audiosreality 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They planned to lure the Pacific fleet into a trap like the Philippines and pull a victory like sushima, then sue for peace. Pearl Harber worked to well and actually might have been a saving grace for the US. Had they only damaged the fleet and the US scrambled everything to the Philippines to save it, it could have been worse. The Japanese never hit the pearl oil supply for that reason.

    • @argus1393
      @argus1393 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @boulderbash19700209 Yes very true, however Teddy Roosevelt negotiated peace between the two. Ultimately the Japanese would not have prevailed. In the early 40s Japan clashed with Russia again. They were soundly defeated. They backed down.

    • @fjkelley4774
      @fjkelley4774 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      The idea of the "Kantai Kessen". The "Decisive Battle" that would win the war. But it never happened.

  • @kilobravo3862
    @kilobravo3862 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    “If you mess with us, it’s ugly.” What an accurate statement.

    • @Hirnlego999
      @Hirnlego999 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not always. Trump promised to crush the Taliban but instead put them in power.

    • @MariaHeredia-dw4id
      @MariaHeredia-dw4id 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Except if your “our best friend” they dance on us and own us 🤣👍

  • @JosephTMeiroseIV
    @JosephTMeiroseIV 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    “We don't want war. But if you want war with the United States of America, there's one thing I can promise you, so help me God: Someone else will raise your sons and daughters." Medal of Honor Recipient, David Bellavia.

    • @rickyp6815
      @rickyp6815 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Didn't he get in Iraq? Don't recall Iraq attacking the US.

    • @marvinh3357
      @marvinh3357 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      when did the vietnamese / vietkong hurt u guys?

    • @chrisemmett8979
      @chrisemmett8979 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rickyp6815You're correct, Iraq did not attack us, but what does that have to do with the quote you're replying to? Nobody is claiming we ONLY go to war if we're attacked.

    • @markwollin5484
      @markwollin5484 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      War is America's number one export.
      Your whole world view is war.
      You use it to stymie your enemies, and with phrases like America First... the rest of the world is viewed as your enemy.
      Don't try and proclaim you are a peaceful country. America is a plutocracy, and the profits of your industrial military complex are too valuable to the oligarchy that owns your country not to continue to promote conflict.

  • @xGaLoSx
    @xGaLoSx 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

    Dwarkesh is quickly becoming my favorite podcaster. Keep up the good work!

    • @schuylerkrizay6192
      @schuylerkrizay6192 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      lol wtf does he meaningfully provide that makes him suh a good podcaster

    • @wilburbrickowski
      @wilburbrickowski 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No he’s not. Tucker Carlson is much better at seeking the truth. Dwarkesh takes everything at half measure…

    • @VARMOT123
      @VARMOT123 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@schuylerkrizay6192he is sorta like a more knowledgeable tech bro podcaster with more knowledge in history and geopolitics than lex

    • @VARMOT123
      @VARMOT123 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@wilburbrickowskidumbo tucker doesn't know 1% of technical IT knowledge as dwarkesh

    • @jaythompson5102
      @jaythompson5102 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@schuylerkrizay6192 Lol I know what you mean but it's a nice dynamic student/teacher, he is kind of an idiot but he's a charming idiot. I mean that with love if you read this my man.

  • @ryanm7832
    @ryanm7832 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I need to find more content with her. She's an absolutely amazing source of historical information! I saw a few clips of her where some things seemed out of context, but after seeing the longer form videos, I have no doubts regarding her expertise or accuracy. Out of everyone in the world, she is who I'd like to spend an hour talking with over everyone else...I feel like she is someone I could really communicate with and get some ideas and questions out of my mind, because I can't do that with the vast majority of people without confusing or irritating them (either through perceived condescension or their inability to understand advanced ideas/my poor ability to explain complex ideas in simple terms).

  • @jimgravesus
    @jimgravesus 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +77

    I would love to be at a dinner party with her and her husband. Talk about great table talk.

    • @owensmith3995
      @owensmith3995 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Husband? oh, I thought she was a lesbian 🤭

    • @wilburbrickowski
      @wilburbrickowski 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah right. She’s a dem propagandist she only tells you what you want to hear and not the truth. She keeps you indoctrinated by the rulers.

  • @GerryP-em6bp
    @GerryP-em6bp 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Prof. Paine is brilliant. I can't get enough of her lectures.

    • @johnsullivan8673
      @johnsullivan8673 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No, she is far from brilliant. She’s not even that smart in conventional metrics.

  • @louisdefilippi8982
    @louisdefilippi8982 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    One of my top favorite historians.

  • @dbmeo3417
    @dbmeo3417 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "This is how it goes". Love her tone of voice. So professional but full of empathy.

  • @Eclipse-lw4vf
    @Eclipse-lw4vf 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    People always think “oh America is fighting themselves, like always, now’s our chance” it’s like picking on your sibling. You can do it… anyone else does… oh boy you’re in for a reckoning

    • @joannekelly5132
      @joannekelly5132 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Unfortunately USA as a nation has crossed the Rubicon.

    • @chrisemmett8979
      @chrisemmett8979 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@joannekelly5132according to who? We have not crossed anything

    • @joannekelly5132
      @joannekelly5132 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@chrisemmett8979 everyone watching you that is a student of history. A nation divided will not stand.

  • @Prepared5057
    @Prepared5057 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm a novice history buff and this woman is absolutely brilliant. Her understanding of things especially from multiple sides of a conflict is profound. I only recently came across videos of her speaking on TH-cam shorts and I'm amazed. I love listening to her.

  • @n12by
    @n12by 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I hope Ms Paine is only away temporarily. Her talks are illuminating ! i would love for this series continue to include what is a stake today : Can China succeed the USA to be the #1 Superpower without war? or does military history indicate that war is absolute when #2 China or any #2 ascends to # 1 ? Can diplomacy stave this off or is it far too late

    • @johnsullivan8673
      @johnsullivan8673 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Paine is blind as a bat when it comes to modern china. She is the personification of midwit modern political dogma.

  • @mikestewart4752
    @mikestewart4752 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I’m a firm believer that is a handful of Arleigh Burkes were parked in the SCS, the Chinese demolition-derby in other nation’s fishing waters will stop. Instantly.

    • @MC-tm2uy
      @MC-tm2uy 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Eh no..China got the biggest navy now. They got way more modern ships than the US. Stop thinking like we are still the big dog. We aren't anymore.

  • @DotBone89
    @DotBone89 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    I think Yamamoto understood us, but could not convince the IGHQ.

    • @AmeliaHouck-o9j
      @AmeliaHouck-o9j 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A WOMAN ANTHROPOLLOGIST DID THIS , NAME?? BUT MENTOR TO MARGARET MEAD AND THANKFULLY TRUMAN LISTENED TO AN EXPERT ON JAPAN AND TOLD TRUMAN YOU CANNOT KILL THE EMPEROR HE IS NOT TO BLAME HE IS CONSIDERED A GOD ON EARTH TO THEM AND DID NOTHING WRONG HE IS A PRISONER ALSO SO DO NOT HARM HIM THIS MAN OR LIVE TO REGERT IT TRUMAN AND HE LISTENED TO A WOMAN !! OMG BE THANKFUL TO HER AND HER NAME , BY 2am will remember it !! lol

    • @fjkelley4774
      @fjkelley4774 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I think he understood it very well. I think that after 1942 (Midway, Guadalcanal and the naval battles off Guadalcanal) the IGHQ was realizing this too. But now they saw no way out that was not "dishonorable". The Japanese manga writer Shigeru Mizuki was an infantryman, and badly injured in the war. He has written about this.

    • @DaBinChe
      @DaBinChe 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yamamoto understood cause he went to college in America and saw the American spirit.

    • @jeffUSSLiberty
      @jeffUSSLiberty 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And his contemporaries didn’t want to hear it.

  • @Omer1996E.C
    @Omer1996E.C 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    The US really had alot of the perfect internal and external conditions. Good for the USA.

  • @goodneighborsnetwork
    @goodneighborsnetwork 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    I usually appreciate Sarah Paine's historical insights. Sadly, she misses the mark badly here. Franklin Roosevelt gave a speech in Ohio before Pearl Harbor with the intent of convincing Americans to help the British in their war against Germany. The public reaction to that address was profoundly negative. Americans were rightfully tired of fighting European wars after the slaughter they endured during WWI. After America saved Europe from itself in WWI, Woodrow Wilson advised Britain and France not to impose the harsh peace of the Versailles Treaty on Germany. Arrogantly, they told Wilson to mind his own business.
    If America was so isolationist, why did Americans march into Europe to save the day after internecine European diplomacy had unleashed the horrors of trench warfare during WWI? When Americans attempt to avoid getting dragged into deadly and costly wars, they are derided as isolationist. When Americans march in to save other countries, they are derided as imperialist. Can you see the hypocrisy here? Much of this anti-American blather constitutes gaslighting and sour grapes from countries and their agents who are insanely jealous that the Pax Americana of the last 80 years has made America the global hegemon.

    • @wilburbrickowski
      @wilburbrickowski 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      When will you realize she’s just a paid dem who tries to indoctrinate you??

    • @wilburbrickowski
      @wilburbrickowski 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      When will you realize that she isn’t qualified to speak on anything?

    • @elizabethwinsor-strumpetqueen
      @elizabethwinsor-strumpetqueen 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Pretty sure Russia did all the heavy lifting...the Americans just made loads of money ....

    • @charliejdk
      @charliejdk 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s amazing to go back to the interwar years & see how widespread was the belief that WW1 was a mistake. I’m not saying I think that. But the idea had loads of support during the Twenties & Thirties. Makes the post-Pearl Harbor unity even more impressive. And the nation never panicked during the first six months of utter military disaster - Philippines, Java Sea, Wake, Singapore, Dutch East Indies, etc.

    • @charliejdk
      @charliejdk 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@elizabethwinsor-strumpetqueenNot in the Pacific, they didn’t.

  • @salami5050
    @salami5050 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Sarah Paine may be one of the most fascinating people ever.

  • @Spouwmuur
    @Spouwmuur 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    You shouldn't have done that Bin Laden, Sadam Hussein is gonna pay for this!

  • @Alex__H13
    @Alex__H13 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    Mentioning Angela Merkel and Neville Chamerberlain within a breath at 04:09 is devastating and hilarious.

    • @dukecraig2402
      @dukecraig2402 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Chamberlain gets a bad wrap in history, and I'm really surprised that someone as smart as her buys into the common narrative about him be naive about the Germans.
      Chamberlain knew if England would have gone to war with Germany at that point they'd have lost, one the surface it appeared he was appeasing Der Fuhrer but behind the scenes he was buying time and pushing for more Spitfire's and other "latest" developments in war equipment to be produced and brought online, he knew war with Germany was inevitable, but he also knew England needed more time to prepare for it, and he was right wasn't he? The proof is after 2 more years of procuring the latest war machines they just barely won the Battle of Britain, they'd have lost it in 38.

    • @Will-pm5wm
      @Will-pm5wm 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      yea, that was a tad weird, as Merkel wasn't even Chancellor anymore when the full scale invasion started on 02/24/2022. Maybe she did some statements earlier regarding Putin, but whatever..

  • @RogunK
    @RogunK 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    0:02 "They sink everything" umm... no they didn't. There were 96 warships in Pearl that day and only 4 battleships, 3 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 1 anti air training ship, and 1 minelayer. 12 out of 96 is far from them sinking everything.

    • @sightseek3r
      @sightseek3r 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Right haha. I also take issue with her statement that were doing absolutely nothing to help Britain. Sure we were still "neutral" but we had already been sending arms and supplies across the Atlantic for a year.

    • @pauliusgedrimas978
      @pauliusgedrimas978 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      We have a battle of autism happening here. “Huh well actually is it was 5 not 6 and 7 not 8” ☝🏻
      😂

    • @mike8631
      @mike8631 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I almost never respond to TH-cam comments, but this one is so stupid i just had to. Just the 4 battleships they sunk equated to about 50% of the tonnage of the 84 they didn't.

    • @Jst4vdeos
      @Jst4vdeos 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well they crippled the entire Pacific fleet, so that "everything" was more accurate than 12/96. The biggest baddest ships were destroyed

    • @RogunK
      @RogunK 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Jst4vdeos None of the carriers though, only some of the BB's. Plus, tonnage doesn't mean as much as people keep saying. Submarines did a lot of sinking of ships in WW2 and they are a low tonnage ship.

  • @donswearingen9805
    @donswearingen9805 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    We weren't doing anything? We lost the Reuben James not "doing anything." We were sending boats and supplies to England way before Pearl Harbor.

    • @matthewgreiner2766
      @matthewgreiner2766 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      That wasn't her opinion, it was the Japanese opinion. Right or wrong that is what Japan thought. Perception over realtity is a thing.

    • @donswearingen9805
      @donswearingen9805 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @matthewgreiner2766 wasn't talking about Japan. She said we were doing nothing to help England. We were. PS. The original plan was to grab the Western Pacific and then sue for peace, leaving them (the Japanese) in control of it. Miscalculation big time. Yamamoto warned them.

    • @argel1200
      @argel1200 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@donswearingen9805 No, she was saying that was Japan's [mis]understanding of the situation. Helps to watch the entire interview.

    • @codyvandal2860
      @codyvandal2860 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@matthewgreiner2766She's wrong of course. The Japanese did not believe that. Abundant evidence to the contrary

    • @CLARKE176
      @CLARKE176 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      BRITAIN which England is part of.

  • @ddewittfulton
    @ddewittfulton 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    I would love to hear a back and forth between Paine and Chomsky.

    • @jhonklan3794
      @jhonklan3794 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Chomsky would get trounced. Smart guy but ignorant of history and incapable of being impartial.

    • @rkalla
      @rkalla 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Agreed, would be incredible.

    • @empirednw6624
      @empirednw6624 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So a cia propagandist vs an insane communist

    • @empirednw6624
      @empirednw6624 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So a cia mouthpiece vs a delusional communist

    • @BOIOLA08
      @BOIOLA08 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Chomsky would die in the process...

  • @russmiller7284
    @russmiller7284 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Sarah Paine is brilliant. I love listening to her.

  • @allswellinendwell6957
    @allswellinendwell6957 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +71

    Never underestimate America's capacity to do what's right after exhausting every option that's wrong first.

    • @chrisstewart8259
      @chrisstewart8259 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Said Winston Churchill in WW2

    • @twells138
      @twells138 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      The quote is "Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted." That's quite a bit different from your take.

    • @oo0Spyder0oo
      @oo0Spyder0oo 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@twells138too much John Wayne movies.

    • @wildbill7267
      @wildbill7267 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      In Trump we can’t be more wrong so hopefully this means the USA’s best years are after 2029

  • @grondhero
    @grondhero 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A correction on the initial statement that the Pearl Harbor attack was A+ and that they sank everything, without any losses. *_"During the attack, there were 102 ships stationed at Pearl Harbor of which 69 of them received no damage at all. There were 15 ships that received minor damage and 11 more ships that sustained medium to heavy damage. There were 7 ships sunk at Pearl Harbor but of those, only 3 were a total loss, Arizona, Oklahoma (which sank while being towed to the mainland USA) & Utah."_* In addition, zero of the primary targets, aircraft carriers, were at Pearl Harbor during the attack. Finally, the Japanese lost 29 aircraft and 5 midget submarines; about 130 Japanese troops were lost.

  • @colonial6452
    @colonial6452 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    While attending the NWC in 1991, there was a lecture in which the professor attempted to explain the reasons that the Western Front battles just did not end. He explained that there were three points where the Allies had such an advantage that they should have offered peace terms to the Germans and three points where the Germans had such an advantage that they should have offered peace terms to the Allies. He further explained that emotion triumphed over rationality and that leaders felt that all the sacrifices made to date would have been in vain had the war just stopped through negotiations. It was an eye-opener.

    • @realitywins6457
      @realitywins6457 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Insightful. And probably a similar argument regarding the current Russia/Ukraine war

  • @JayWiseman
    @JayWiseman 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for posting this.

  • @jfwalken
    @jfwalken 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    If you listen to Dan Carlin's Supernova in the East. Japan wanted to take more of the pacific islands, US had territory there. So attack Pearl Harbor hit the fleet, invade the territory quickly, and sue for peace before they can rebuild. It was a succesful tactical strike, but it was a cataclysmic failure on the intel. Their primary targets were aircraft carriers. They were the most expensive and longest to build. Planes could be rebuilt comparatively quickly, and battleships are important situationally, carrier are mobile bases allowing any type of deployment operations globally. And all survived undamaged. So while the battleships/subs were being rebuilt/repaired. The US loaded up the remaining planes and soldiers and began inverting the invasion plan immediately, retaking Japan's expanded territory, and by the time the US was approaching southern japanese islands, battleships were back in the ocean.
    I say Japan's plan was potentially the best option they had for their goals. Had they sunk/destroyed some of if not all the carriers it would have changed the Pacfic theater drastically and maybe they wouldve been able to hang on to some of the territory the aquired. Unfortunately for them by 9:30AM December 7, the pacific theater was decided.

    • @hilariousname6826
      @hilariousname6826 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Exactly - they counted on taking out those aircraft carriers; if their plan had worked, the whole thing might have played out very differently.

    • @johnyarbrough502
      @johnyarbrough502 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Destroying the carriers looked good on paper. But it's a variation on no plan survives first contact. My guess is maintaining almost complete silence with the Japanese task force means they had good intel about where the carriers were likely to be when they left Japan but no way of knowing the carriers were gone until pilots were in the air over Pearl Harbor. Supposedly commander of the task force and naval staff in Japan realized the likely consequences of the failure.

    • @daroaminggnome
      @daroaminggnome 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But neither side really fully understood that carriers were the main force until Midway. Japan heavily subscribed to decisive battle doctrine, and they specifically wanted to eliminate battleships. Yamamoto gave the go-ahead to start the attack despite learning the carriers weren't there. How can you say the carriers were the target when they still attacked knowing the carriers weren't there?

    • @jfwalken
      @jfwalken 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@daroaminggnome your partly correct and japan was in a prisoners dilemma. listen to the podcast, he goes through the thought processes and justifications for the attack, with sources from the soldiers and leaders. It takes like 2.5 hours. I gave the most laconic synopsis possible.

    • @johnyarbrough502
      @johnyarbrough502 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@daroaminggnome Carries were expected to arrive on Friday or Saturday. When they didn't, spies got info to Japan but the task force was operating under radio silence and naval staff were unable to contact and inform about carriers. The great unknown is what Nagano would hawve done with that information.

  • @craiglarge5925
    @craiglarge5925 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Before the attack on Pearl Harbor, the USA had started gearing up for WW2 with a military draft that was started in 1940, the introduction of the B-17 bomber, the M-1 Grand rifle, the USS North Carolina Battleship, P-40 fighter, etc. Pearl Harbor put it on steroids. Sorry I forget, Lend Lease had already started.

  • @silentvoiceinthedark5665
    @silentvoiceinthedark5665 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    I have a pro 2A T Shirt that says, "Shall not be infringed" and below it, it says "every blade of grass in bold letters". Which is a quote from a Japanese admiral from WWII

    • @gwkiv1458
      @gwkiv1458 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Thats great man I'm happy for you. Must be a really cool shirt

    • @idonetoldyou5199
      @idonetoldyou5199 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Ironic, considering that "2A" stuff deletes 10s of thousands per year - many Pearl Harbors, every year

    • @silentvoiceinthedark5665
      @silentvoiceinthedark5665 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@idonetoldyou5199 Ironic that you understand that criminals commit crimes.

    • @cameltanker1286
      @cameltanker1286 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@idonetoldyou5199 Fentanyl deletes 107,000 per year. 2A is 10 times safer.

    • @jrmungandr
      @jrmungandr 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The quote, while a cold line, is apocryphal at best

  • @01talima
    @01talima 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    from the bits of Yamamoto's journals ive seen he was pretty aware he was poking the bear and knew full well he was going to have to win fast or get out manufactured. and i think Americans over estimate how easy that theatre was to win, if a couple of battles had gone the other way and they really could of...

  • @sandrap6321
    @sandrap6321 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +72

    FDR was the right president to have at that time in history. We had the industry to reformat to build tanks, ships, planes. Its a different country now.

    • @robw9435
      @robw9435 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      FDR prolonged the great depression, kept the US in poverty for years, and created the welfare state that is still bleeding us dry. He was no hero in my book. When are we getting the old deal back?

    • @bluesclues132
      @bluesclues132 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yeah America would be fucked in a total war scenario without its allies .

    • @unyieldingsarcasm2505
      @unyieldingsarcasm2505 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      FDR would sweep in modern usa.

    • @Jack-4v
      @Jack-4v 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@@bluesclues132well no we can still produce our own weapons mostly it's just the more complicated equipment that's a problem.

    • @hilariousname6826
      @hilariousname6826 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@bluesclues132 "Allies"? - a Canadian

  • @hermilapile7315
    @hermilapile7315 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I could listen to this Lady all day long.

  • @duncanidaho8234
    @duncanidaho8234 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +54

    The Japanese did NOT think that they could “beat” America.
    They thought they could negotiate a treaty from a position of temporary strength and get the sanctions and embargoes that the US was applying to Japan lifted.
    Again Dwarkesh presents a version of events that I would be embarrassed to see a high school history student present. He really does not understand what he is talking about and yet does it with such smug confidence. Lack of knowledge is fine, smug self satisfaction based on ignorance is not.

    • @homesteadchrish3107
      @homesteadchrish3107 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      🤣 You sound just as smug in this comment. U two are probably one in the same.
      From this comment alone Id bet you would do the exact same thing as him with a subject you’re not as familiar with.

    • @duncanidaho8234
      @duncanidaho8234 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @homesteadchrish3107 The difference is I am not making my living by grifting as an intelligent commentator on these issues.
      If Dwarkesh was just saying his BS in TH-cam comments there’d be no need to address them.
      See the difference?
      Are you capable of that level of adult nuance?
      Or are childish laughing pictures the limits of your cognitive abilities?

    • @tuckerbugeater
      @tuckerbugeater 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@duncanidaho8234 Who do you think built their manufacturing and created the trade deals that pushed them into a corner? Who funded the Sino Japanese war? Who funded the Russo Japanese war? LOL. you are mere puppets in their cosmic game.

    • @homesteadchrish3107
      @homesteadchrish3107 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ What are you addressing though ? Your comment is meaningless and achieved no goal.
      Only thing i got from your comment is that you’re kind of a D bag 🤣.
      Your vocab and knowledge of this specific part of WW2 history isn’t impressive. Your comment isn’t impressive.
      Your words are intelligent, but your delivery is so fail. No true person of intelligence belittles people. You had an opportunity to make a thoughtful correction and add knowledge to his mistake.
      I agree with a guest like Dr. Paine from an intellectual standpoint he should have been more on it.
      Truly the only thing I got from your comment is that you’re not as smart as you think, which is common

    • @lordmba1304
      @lordmba1304 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​@@homesteadchrish3107 Damn! He roasted you 😂.

  • @francescoiuliano5690
    @francescoiuliano5690 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    1:37 don't mess also whit American luck, because if they didn't found Japanese carrier in time... That was still to that moment the best navy in the world... Especially in qualitative way...

  • @zdzislawmeglicki2262
    @zdzislawmeglicki2262 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Was the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor delusional? Not quite. The US at the time was a pacifist society that cherished its isolation. Its army was quite large but not ready for combat. Its air force was only recently created and lacked hardware. The newly declared open war with Japan and Germany triggered panic amongst the military who were hopelessly behind their enemies in terms of weapons and skills. It was only thanks to America's gigantic manufacturing power and its flexibility that new weapons, tanks, airplanes, submarines, aircraft carriers, and more began their flow towards America's military, making them best equipped in the world within two years, even if still inexperienced.

    • @NoPe-no4sn
      @NoPe-no4sn 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Yes but if they didn’t attack Pearl Harbor we would have stayed isolated. I think that was her point

    • @fdavidmiller2
      @fdavidmiller2 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Yamamoto himself said he feared that Japan was only awakening a sleeping giant. But he had actually studied in America. The rest of them were oblivious.

    • @LiberRaider
      @LiberRaider 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Manufacturing and logistics are the foundation of total war. Not a sidenote. Japan never had a way of hitting US manufacturing centers. We weren't a pacifist society, in the previous hundred years we had fought the Mexican-American war, Civil War, Spanish-American War and WW1. We wanted peace but we weren't afraid of war. The idea that sneak attacking us and killing thousands of our citizens without ever posing an existential threat to our homeland would lead us to jussurrender was based on delusions rather than cold calculus in my opinion.

    • @scottsmith6631
      @scottsmith6631 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      The Japanese miscalculated American character and resolve.

    • @nolongeramused8135
      @nolongeramused8135 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I think the perception of weak pacifists was a cultural misunderstanding on the part of the Japanese; "don't bother me, I'm busy watching the game" is nowhere near the same as "too chicken to fight." Americans generally don't want to fight someone else's war for them, particularly if the outcome doesn't affect their day-to-day life overly much. As a nation we saw what a collection of squabbling children Europe routinely behaved as, all fighting to trade the same chunks of real estate back and forth for centuries, and wanted none of it.

  • @DocAdams8404
    @DocAdams8404 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Curtis LeMay is a cousin to my grandfather. He played a big role in the war.

  • @michaelhartharthart
    @michaelhartharthart 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +74

    Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

    • @moonlightmaxx
      @moonlightmaxx 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Iraq war was fought to protect Saudi Arabia from Iran and Iraq.

    • @Backhoe-mafia
      @Backhoe-mafia 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Sadam has a track record of messing with the US… something you don’t do if you wanna live☺️

    • @Backhoe-mafia
      @Backhoe-mafia 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      “Had” lol

    • @MrBreakdownBoy
      @MrBreakdownBoy 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Iraq was a needless war, driven by false information and a corrupt executive and cia.

    • @codyvandal2860
      @codyvandal2860 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Backhoe-mafiaMillons of people died for nothing. Tens of thousands of US troops will deal with missing limbs for the rest of their life and we are trillions in debt.
      But hey great idea right

  • @nickmills8906
    @nickmills8906 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    So the sketchy part my dad has told me from my great grandfather is he was in the Navy during the entirety of WW2 and part of Korea and he mentioned that the sub he was on(mind you he was being tattooed at the time as it was the Philippines) was called to General Quarters two hours before Pearl Harbor happened and his proof was the tattoo he was supposed onto her was a Navy Anchor(pretty stereotypical tattoo but the only one he didnt have) he changed to a watch with the time he was called to Quarters

  • @luminyam6145
    @luminyam6145 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    And the guy interviewing her is a baby, he knows nothing of the horrors the Japanese did to British and American pows. He needs to read a history book to know how pissed off the Americans were in WW2. They were also pissed af about being dragged into another European conflict and pissed that the Japanese had forced their hand. Oh yeah baby there would be payback.

    • @socialminds9894
      @socialminds9894 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      That's what an interview is for..

    • @argel1200
      @argel1200 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      He does seem naive at times, but he also gets some amazing answers.

    • @jegbryrmegikke1
      @jegbryrmegikke1 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      pissed? about having us do all the fighing so you didnt have to face a western hemishpere full of nazis?

    • @DavidOfWhitehills
      @DavidOfWhitehills 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@jegbryrmegikke1 The US didn't do all the fighting. The Russians had 25 million killed. Hell, even Britain lost more dead than the US.

    • @codyvandal2860
      @codyvandal2860 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jegbryrmegikke1Lol sure buddy mustahce man was gonna take vancouver

  • @galleste
    @galleste 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Some of these regimes fight to the bitter end because they know what awaits them if the do an unconditional surrender and have no place to run off to. They never cared about their people to begin with. The Japanese military was especially like this. Hirohito after Nagasaki's atomic bomb attack wanted to surrender and his military tried to throw a coup against him. Look at Hitler..right to the bitter end. And how many people died for that cause when by 1944 it was clear Nazi Germany was going to lose the war. As for future attacks on America, the terrorist groups and their sponsors have to know that Americans now with Trump will not stick around anymore and "nation build" anymore at great economic cost to the US. That's where all the casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq took place.

  • @whoisjohngalt11
    @whoisjohngalt11 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    This has some historical inaccuracies. Japan didn’t attack us because they thought they could win and we were isolationists. We were intervening in their ability to gather supplies to build their war machine. That’s the opposite of isolationism. The reason for taking an action as extreme as Pearl Harbor was to cripple the American navy long enough to gain enough traction in China so they could sustain the war effort.
    If they had been successful, the American navy would not be able to disrupt their activities in the South Pacific.
    And the bottom line is, Roosevelt wanted the war to happen. Prior to Pearl Harbor, the American people were overwhelmingly against intervention. We were still dealing with the Great Depression because the New Deal wasn’t working. Entering the war meant jobs and commerce and those who argued against war could easily be silenced by charges of being weak or a traitor.

  • @rickpilhorn
    @rickpilhorn 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This woman is the most intelligent person I've ever seen on the issues on which she speaks.

  • @tedcrilly46
    @tedcrilly46 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +234

    You're still not getting Greenland.

    • @cyberft
      @cyberft 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +53

      Yes we are, Greenland is keen.

    • @johnbelow578
      @johnbelow578 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

      If we really want it we will have it, who will stop us.

    • @elifrak2
      @elifrak2 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      "We can take what we want, who will stop us". Congratulations, you sound like Hitler now.

    • @Lodd86
      @Lodd86 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +40

      ​@@johnbelow578but at what cost? The entire EU will be alienated.

    • @PineapplePokopo
      @PineapplePokopo 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      is that the point if this
      vid? just because you can do something militarily it doesn’t mean its the right strategy. if you march into greenland, that will effectively end the western alliance. The free world will fracture and be weakened. How is that in any way in America’s interest.

  • @tonymoto1188
    @tonymoto1188 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    thank you for your service

  • @RodrigoSevilha1984
    @RodrigoSevilha1984 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    The most brutally honest american quote of all time: "they are dead, so who cares?"

  • @ThisPartIsAndrew
    @ThisPartIsAndrew 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My good friend was on the USS Cole when it was attacked in Oman. The ship was permanently disabled. This changed everything, and it appears that the Department of the Navy is adopting the enemy tactics.

  • @ga1226
    @ga1226 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Growing up as an expatriate kid in Saudi Arabia, expatriates from third world countries were treated like trash by Arabs and locals ...however Americans were treated with respect and the joke we said amongst ourselves was that if something were to happen to us, our government would send us a bill to bring us back.... if an American gets touched, the US would send an F16. Never in my wildest dreams did I imagine growing up as a kid that one day I would be a proud American citizen.

  • @Brisamars-q1c
    @Brisamars-q1c 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Comfort in history, comfort in hindsight.

  • @conscientiousobjector5988
    @conscientiousobjector5988 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    U.S.S. Liberty 🥱🤷

    • @MariaHeredia-dw4id
      @MariaHeredia-dw4id 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Heck yeah we’re that country’s 304

  • @dalepeto9620
    @dalepeto9620 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    High casualties at the end of WW II ? Desperation, fanaticism, despair, suicidal resignation. Also 4 engine bombers (Operation Cobra), the Mustang and the proximity fuse.

  • @mavrikmavrik3032
    @mavrikmavrik3032 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    The Japanese raid on Hawaii was a failure and they knew it. They took a calculated risk because they knew America was going to enter the war and they figured if they could sink the US carriers they could buy themselves enough time to finish their conquest of the Pacific. But the carriers weren’t there and that allowed the US to eventually totally turn the tables when we used those carriers at midway. They knew they couldn’t beat the US so they took a gamble to try to greatly hamstring the Pacific fleet before it could do harm to the Japanese navy. They failed and it cost them.

  • @SumitsuboKamaboku
    @SumitsuboKamaboku ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    My father told me about the American rage after the Pearl Harbor attack. He and just about every young or youngish American man tried to enlist in the Services. The rage evolved in sustained implacable determination beat the Japanese into total defeat and the Pacific War ended the only way Americans would accept.

  • @4DCResinSmoker
    @4DCResinSmoker 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    So what about the info that came to light after WW2 that suggested the US government knew the Japanese were about to attack Peal Harbor. Choosing to allow it, thus having the justification for the American public to go to war. (At the time, the notion of war was deeply unpopular)

  • @MikeHunt-fo3ow
    @MikeHunt-fo3ow 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    worked out for the buildings owner and the MIC

  • @Bmaenpaa2
    @Bmaenpaa2 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Its not a miscalculation if you want to increase military spending, suspend civil rights, increase domestic surveillance and funnel cash to the industrial complex.

  • @tunaking1
    @tunaking1 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is the only lady who talks about war that I listen to

  • @joshuakearns1847
    @joshuakearns1847 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Japan underestimated the US reaction. The Taliban were counting on US overreaction.
    US politics wouldn't be so divided today if not for 9-11.
    The US is now sabotaging its own alliances and isolating itself again

    • @everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773
      @everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      However its because of those alliances the world is very unstable.
      Nations have taken to manipulation and backhandedness vs all out wall.
      Why deploy troops when you can economically cripple your opposition.
      The cold war was very profitable for the military industrial complex.
      We shoved our noses in Iran on behalf of Britian. We turned away Mhin and sided with France in Nam. We meddled in Korea.
      Honestly if nations just left each other alone and pursued their interest, and cooperated when it suited them. The world would be far better.

    • @billkgeorge
      @billkgeorge 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      It was not the Taliban. It was Al-Qaeda & OBL who was merely being hosted by the former in Af, since the latter had fought for them a common enemy: the USSR & brought his then friends (the US) to aid. After Gulf War 1, OBL then turned against the US. Correct: he provoked & counted on American over reaction. And guess what? That's exactly what happened. The US bombed, occupied & tried to rebuild Af for 20 years, expending trillions to no avail.

    • @dalepeto9620
      @dalepeto9620 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      America is so divided because of the juvenile delinquent repugs

    • @Bigmojojo
      @Bigmojojo 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 that's the dream but not the reality. While you are not wrong in anything you said you are also oversimplifing it. If the US left Europe after ww2 the Soviets would have Conquered all of it. China would have either absorb Korea and Japan or made them puppet states.
      It would have only been a matter of time until both or just the Soviets had taken over in influence in South America and parts of the Carribean and then you get a Cuban missile crisis on steroids. This would have completely change the world that we know of today.

    • @codyvandal2860
      @codyvandal2860 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@billkgeorgeThe US is much worse off and the Taliban control the country today. Who won?

  • @thearbiter4794
    @thearbiter4794 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The original main targets were the Carriers, so technically it can be seen as a failure.

  • @yellowwasprakija2869
    @yellowwasprakija2869 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The US didn’t need to step in for the UK as they really weren’t fighting much until waiting to see who would win between Germany and the Soviets

    • @philjameson292
      @philjameson292 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I think that you need to read up on your history as you seem rather ignorant

    • @86pmj
      @86pmj 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The UK stood alone against Nazi Germany in Europe from 25 June 1940 (surrender of France) to 22 June 1941 (Nazi invasion of the USSR). During that time the Luftwaffe bombed UK cities and airfields during the Blitz. So it is neither true that the UK was waiting to see which of the Soviets or Nazis won nor that the UK “wasn’t fighting that much”

    • @bilbobaggins5938
      @bilbobaggins5938 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Britain (and its commonwealth) were fighting in north Africa and south Asia while the Germans and soviets were fighting.

    • @suitestheband
      @suitestheband 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Germany flattened London

    • @yellowwasprakija2869
      @yellowwasprakija2869 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@86pmj was this after the point the Nazis stopped at Dunkirk to let them leave ?

  • @Travis-j7n
    @Travis-j7n 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    A famous military TH-camr, habituallinecrosser, had the perfect quote, “America is 50 war tribes with a defense budget to fight god”

  • @davidfinch7407
    @davidfinch7407 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Well, I don't think the attack on Pearl was all that successful. First of all, their primary target- the U.S. fleet- was not present in terms of their most valuable assets, the carriers. Secondly, they ignored the important repair facilities and the fueling facilities. This lack of vision almost insured that the U.S. was going to recover from the damage and strike back at full strength (Midway) and then overwhelming strength (Phillipine Sea.)

    • @dantran9962
      @dantran9962 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It was successful in the eye of Japan. Did you not listen?

    • @davidfinch7407
      @davidfinch7407 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@dantran9962 I don't think that's true, at least for all Japanese. Sure, if you compare Japanese losses to American losses, it was wildly successful, and most Japanese were looking at the immediate results. But big picture, it was an unmitigated disaster. I'm sure you are aware of Yamamoto's quote after the battle: "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." That doesn't sound like an assessment that the attack was all that successful. Plus, I was clearly giving my own personal opinion; I said "I don't think the attack on Pearl was all that successful." I'm sorry if that offended you.

  • @hachethamster8662
    @hachethamster8662 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Another thing when Japan started the war with America they already had a much larger navy, an enormous air force with the best fighters and experienced pilots. America on the other hand had the economic output to sustain a drawn out war and they had the capability to replenish losses. Japan needed a quick win and every ship and plane lost mattered, they also were entirely on their own they didn't have the necessary trade connections to supply everything for long periods of time, which was literally why they began warfare ironically enough

  • @mistercohaagen
    @mistercohaagen 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Don't interrupt my consumerism... it keeps my rage at bay.

  • @acr4715
    @acr4715 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We are talking about a US that doesn’t exist anymore.

  • @petercruz1993
    @petercruz1993 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    She didn’t seem her normal self in this one. Angrier

    • @gametheoretic
      @gametheoretic 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      It's part of a 2.5 hour interview. I'd be tired too.

    • @wclark3196
      @wclark3196 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Maybe she's just annoyed that this clown is so bad at interviewing.

    • @petercruz1993
      @petercruz1993 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BaBaYaga1999-p7u I wouldn’t say she has this normally, but in this one yes. Noticeable hubris

    • @max12856-j
      @max12856-j 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@BaBaYaga1999-p7uyeah hubris seems the right word

    • @wclark3196
      @wclark3196 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@petercruz1993 probably annoyed by the endless stream of dumb questions.

  • @Have_A_Nice_Day242
    @Have_A_Nice_Day242 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    America took it's eye off the ball following 9/11. The mission was Afghanistan and Bin Laden and the mission sprawled into Iraq. Spent trillions in the middle East and empowered Iran.

    • @MariaHeredia-dw4id
      @MariaHeredia-dw4id 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That was our master’s and best friends plan

  • @bobfinkenbiner2539
    @bobfinkenbiner2539 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I wonder how we managed to not figure out that almost all the 9-11 terrorists were SAUDI, and we didn't address the SAUDI and CIA linkage????

  • @Sputnikcosmonot
    @Sputnikcosmonot 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Didnt japan launch their invasions because the US cut off oil supplies to them? They wanted to maintain their war in China and they knew America would come to defend the Dutch East Indies and others, which they had to seize for oil, so they attacked America pre-emptively.
    They didn't just do it, there is a wider context at play, some in the High command felt compelled to attack America and seize east Asia.

  • @sharathahuja8261
    @sharathahuja8261 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Does that give them a license to go to Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria……………

    • @max12856-j
      @max12856-j 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      yeah "japan attacked us so we are no longer isolationist, in fact we will be involved in everything from now"

    • @Backhoe-mafia
      @Backhoe-mafia 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes. 100% and the veterans that fought in those wars say they’d do it again. Btw mess with us again cause we want to fight a big fight again. Like general Patton said Americans love a good fight we love fighting ☺️ get fucked

    • @Backhoe-mafia
      @Backhoe-mafia 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cry more

    • @joeyfridays
      @joeyfridays 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      you missed the point.... she is saying it has devastating consequences, not that its moral

  • @acelord314
    @acelord314 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like this Sarah Paine historian.

  • @Wolf-yt5de
    @Wolf-yt5de 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    More recent comparison. On October 8, 2023 a friend in grad school for international relations, called me, I'm 30 years older than her, and asked what will happen. My answer "You can't do something like that to the Jews! This will be bloody!!

    • @cobra8888
      @cobra8888 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      A Palestinian is thinking the same thing. Yes it will be bloody, but over confidence and lack of foresight is what got Isra””li gov there.

    • @MariaHeredia-dw4id
      @MariaHeredia-dw4id 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @Wolf-yt5de Our best friend has attacked us and took out several sailors than 40 yrs later took over 3k Americans and over 2 trillion dollars plus they get 27 Billion yearly from us since they bought our politicians for 100 million.

  • @ForburyLion
    @ForburyLion 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Those with nothing to lose may attack without fear - not because they expect to win.,