It's funny you mentioned people who just pick up a paddle and start playing with out 'lessons' or any idea of the rules of the game. In last weeks Hyunai Masters tournament, there was a player who played there who had minimal experience with pickleball, Genie Bouchard. She played singles against Ekaterina Biakina, and lost 11-1, 11-7. She played mixed doubles with Tyler Loong and lost and also played Women's doubles and lost in the first round. Her Pickleball experience was about 20 minutes the afternoon before her first match, working with Tyler Loong. But she has committed to playing many tournaments this year, and is committing to Pickleball. In tennis, she won the Girls Wimbledon and lost in a Women's Wimbledon Final. I think she will do better (and probably take lessons🤔.)
Haha! She's an exception. I heard she was playing pickleball. A former Wimbledon doubles champion lives in my city. Chanda Rubin. I have begged her to play pickleball. She will not do it. Too busy with being on the WTA board and doing commentary on the tennis channel. I just wanted to play one game with her as my partner, beat a team, and then tell my opponents, "Don't feel too bad about losing. She won Wimbledon." Thanks for watching.
@13:00 the near court players should be moving forward in phases depending on how their returns go, not just running hoping to make it all in one return. When the return crosses the net you stop moving or continue moving based off the 3rd shot height of impact.
19:50 lol maybe he plays volleyball.. A point is a point no matter how it's scored and we high five each other. Lol it's like a "yayyy we scared them so hard they screwed up"
I have played with so many players at this level and all they want to do these days is to stay back and bang the ball hard as they can or hit wild spins but never properly learn to control the ball or move up to the kitchen.
@@DanielleMiller56b/c it always turns into a frantic slugfest. The mentality to WIN the point as fast as possible and strategy takes a back seat. Nobody here advances in skill level. This is pickleball, as with any sport, learn the strategy. That's why I'm here. Albeit, this was a brutally hard watch
Question. I play with my girlfriend for recreational play every week, and she is always too afraid to go up to the kitchen. She doesn’t seem to understand why it’s an advantageous position, and is probably scared of reacting to fast volleys at the kitchen line. Any tips/suggestions I could give to her? I try to play up at the kitchen line as much as possible, but the opponent usually hits it to her because she is at the baseline at a good angle and she can’t reach the ball in time.
You are correct. If she does not move up, you have a very limited chance of being successful. A lot of newer players are afraid to play up because they are afraid of getting hit by the ball.. So, my suggestion is, make sure she wears a pair of safety glasses. And, tell her that if she gets hit, it will sting, it will leave a mark, but, it will go away in a couple of days. Lol. Thanks for watching and asking.
Buy your gf sports safety glasses. That gave me confidence to be at the kitchen line. I bought RIA because of the quality, but there are less expensive glasses on the market.
Safety glasses are a must. A young lady in my group had eye surgery after being hit in the face. I didn't wear safety glasses in the beginning. I played tennis and racquetball for many years. I thought "With my quick reaction and fast hands there is no way I will allow the ball to hit me in the face." One day, I looked back as my partner hit the ball. It deflected off the paddle edge and hit me in the face. I wasn't expecting it. I wasn't hurt but the experience convinced me I needed to wear safety glasses. Several months later, I was playing against a young collegiate tennis player. I was at the NVZ, set and ready to return his drive but it clipped the cable on the top of the net causing the ball to deflect up above my paddle knocking my head back. He thought I was seriously injured. I laughed and said "I'm good. Let's go" Teach your girlfriend to be comfortable at the NVZ. Her mindset is important. When I am at the NVZ, I want the drive to come to me. I'm already thinking about where I will return it, weaker player, player who is off-balance/moving, non-dominant side if their backhand is weak, etc A big part of being comfortable at the NVZ is knowing how to defend when your reaction time is limited. If you know how to defend, you won't be afraid of the ball. When a hard-hit drive is coming right at them, inexperienced players will swing at the ball. More experienced beginners and intermediate players will block and/or punch. It is a lot easier to control the angle of the paddle face with a block or punch. One of the most common mistakes new players make at the NVZ, when a ball is high and in their kill zone, is swinging down on the ball. It will go into the net or go OUT 80% of the time. Keep it simple. Control the angle of the paddle face and punch the ball. Later, with more experience, you can swing down and crush the ball. With that last sentence in mind, one of the most important lessons new players need to learn is to NEVER give your opponents a high ball they can crush back at you. That is nearly impossible, even with experienced players, to defend against. One last point. When at the NVZ and blocking a hard-hit drive from the baseline, your grip dictates the pace of the return. Tight grip/more pace. Use a loose grip to allow the paddle face to absorb the energy of the ball and just drop it over the net. The most valuable lesson I learned as a beginner from many drills is how to control the pace of your return by varying your grip.
Im confused. If the guy in black served the ball then the guy in grey can't take it out of the air. Right?? Why would you say grey shirt guy should come to the kitchen and hit out of the air after the serve???
When returning the serve, you should be moving through your shot to get to the kitchen line. Yes, the receiving player still has to let it bounce, but drive the return of serve deep and move through the shot to establish an aggressive position at the kitchen.
Thanks @ItsAdust. Jeanne is just a little confused. What I pointed out is, when returning a serve, a player should immediately move forward after hitting the ball. Of course, they do have to let it bounce before they hit it.
To all you people new to the game...welcome . Now , do yourselves a huge favor : don't yet even pick up a paddle at all for the very first time until you gain a basic understanding of how the sport of Pickle-Ball is designed to be played . UNDERSTAND-THEN PLAY , and only in that order ! Doing so in the opposite order can & will invariably result in learning and practicing bad mistakes that must be " Un-learned " before you could ever hope to get any better at Pickle-Ball . This game of Pickle-Ball is , first and foremost , great exercise for your brain , and then your body , and in that order ! It's kinda like the game of Pickle-Ball-Chess , except in this version of the game , you move the pieces around with a paddle instead of your fingers . So , how can you realize such an understanding ? Well , a really good way to do so , is , watch all of Rory's Pickle-Ball Pick Apart episodes....then watch them all over again . Only then will you really be ready to pick up that paddle and play for that aforementioned, " Very First Time . " Once again , welcome to the best game ever : PICKLE-BALL !
@@RoscoeB44 I agree. The basics are very confusing in the beginning, how the scoring works, where to stand, when to advance, etc Reading about it is not as beneficial as just playing and learning from your mistakes.
If you played or watched table tennis, you could recognize the grip of grey t-shirt gentlemen resembles the shakehand grip of table tennis. Yep, I see several table tennis background people holds paddle like that, including me. My local club people call it ping pong grip. There are few who switches to ping pong grip time to time depending on situation. It can give you good continental grip. However, by all means, it is not a good grip for beginners. The most obvious drawback of such grip is weak grip strength, because index finger is not participating to grip the handle. This will be particularly problem for backhand. Once heavy fast shot contacts to ping pong grip backhand, paddle will be likely to twisted or shaken because of weak grip strength, and the ball accuracy and speed will go down. On the other hand, because index finger (or with even thumb) supports paddle surface, forehand can be more or less beneficial. From TT, such grip is usual because ball is very light and TT racket surface is rubber. But from PB, balls are heavier, carrying more energy and momentum, while paddle surface is not anything like rubber. So, it is reasonable TT grip will not perform well in PB in general. At least TT grip is not for everyone, it really depends on personal style and experience. If people with TT background builds up good enough PB experience and still feels better with TT grip, and if their hand have high level of grip strength or if they go two-handed backhand, and if they use very good under/over grip, then I think TT grip might be fine. Not always, but time to time. Also, switching from semi-western grip from TT grip is very easy, you don't need to turn handle, just raise your index (and thumb, depending on personal style) finger straight to support paddle surface. I know this because those are what I do with TT grip, I only switching to ping pong grip 5~6 times per game, but it is useful. For me, the most convenient time for TT grip is roll/punch volley from kitchen line. I really hit those shots with a sense of when I play TT, and it really works. I even try TT grip for backhand kitchen volleys. For backhand, sometimes I raise my thumb high to support back surface of backhand shot, then roll it, just like I do when I play TT. Yeah, this is not for everyone, especially not for PB beginners, but at least it works for me and few others. XD I know our local club coach doesn't like TT grip like you XD But he also can't say anything to us because it works for us~
Thanks for watching and thanks for your reply. I understand that if it works for you, then use it. I don't like to see beginner players use it. That's because, if they use it and never try a continental or eastern grip, they will never know how much better they can play with one of those grips as opposed to a ping pong grip. The worst is when a player is not only using a ping pong grip, but, also has their hand all the up on the paddle. It totally takes away the advantage of a paddle even having a handle. They could actually play with a paddle that doesn't have a handle.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Yeah I agree, and I also wrote that TT grip should not be suggested to any PB beginners. And this grip is not for everyone, even with advance PB veterans. I think only few, like who played TT for a long time then play PB to be a advanced rating, then practice TT grip with muscle memory of TT, could utilize TT grip. Even then, no one can play TT grip for long time. As I already mentioned I only switch to TT grip, like 5~6 times, throughout a single 11 point game.
Two bad things with the ping pong grip. The forefinger on the paddle restricts wrist movement which causes a lack of power from a wrist snap. Second, the leverage you gain by having your hand down farther on the paddle handle is lost, and again a loss of power. Watch Ben Johns and see how powerful a wrist snap can be.@@pickleballpick-apart9787
You're wrong, his index finger is pointed up the grip and on to the paddle. A shake hand TT grip the index finger would be almost perpendicular to the handle.
"You have to play with intent". No, you don't. These guys are just out there having fun. That's all. We have 30 just like them in our group. They don't care if they win or lose. They just want to get out and have fun. It's better than their job. It's better than the honey-do list. And that's ok. It's a f-ing game, people. Don't take it, or yourselves, so seriously. Ultra-competitive assholes ruin the game. Lighten up.
Players play for different reasons. If they want to just hit the ball over the net with no idea of how pickleball is properly played, that's ok. If this type of player would take some time to understand how to play, I think they would enjoy it even more. Thanks for your opinion.
This channel is directed towards people trying to get better at the game. So comments like “you have to play with intent” are entirely valid. For people that don’t care and are just out to have fun, those comments just aren’t applicable to them. Additionally there are hyper competitive people in everything. If you don’t like people that play that style then just don’t play with them, there’s nothing wrong with having opposing opinions.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Ping pong grip does work. The guy in gray has his grip too low. Grip should be higher on the paddle. You are basing his play on his grip. It’s his play, not his grip.
You think his grip should be higher on the paddle? I disagree. If that's the case, he doesn't even need a handle. Paddles have a handle for a reason. The butt of the handle should be in the padding in the palm of the hand. It's okay to disagree. I don't know of many pros who use a ping pong grip. Thanks for watching.
What I learned most from this video is that Rory is kind of a condesending jerk. Sorry, but if you're going to dish it out you should be able to take some criticism. I mean, they are out there trying at 5am!!! why would you say "what did he think was going to happen with that shot" and "they have to play with intent". They ARE trying! They WANT to win. They have gone to some effort to get there before the sun came up!! Please consider finding positives about what they are doing and make a compliment sandwich before and after a criticism. Players at this level don't play with much intention other than to get the ball back over the net. Really what you are saying about there mistakes are true but in this video much of your observations were about court position and strategy. You're not digging down deep enough.You should spend some time talking about their body mechanics and how that will help them move foreward in the court as well as get more control on the hit. For example you could talk about foot work, swinging through the ball, contact point out in front, unit turn as in hips and shoulders turning together as you hit through the ball. Perhaps you could add a clip showing the proper form when you pause a video after poor body mechanics and footwork were used. Good luck Rory with your channel.
@ Glenmead... Calling Rory a condescending jerk is a bit harsh! I think of his critiques more as tough love. And also kind of humorous. Saying, "what did he think was going to happen with that shot" is actually very helpful. I say that to myself when I pop a ball up. It helps me to remember not to keep making the same mistake. I think Rory's critiques would be very boring if he just said things like, "perhaps that nice fellow should occasionally move up the the kitchen line". LOL... Thank you Rory for making these wonderful critiques. My wife and I are getting better thanks to you!
The reason the players are playing this way is because the guy in the yellow anyway is the tennis player and doesn’t know the strategy. He doesn’t realize that his drop shot is good. They don’t know they should move forward as quickly as possible. Tennis players stay back because they’re used to playing singles and waiting for an opportunity to advance to the net and it usually doesn’t happen immediately.
Nope. You are wrong, Glen. Rorey is giving brutally honest advice, and I appreciate it. I was stuck at the 2.5 level for one year because of all the reasons pointed out during this video. 2.5 pickleball is miserable, and the faster a player can build their skills, the better.
@@AnnMitt Rory saying "you're doing it wrong" isn't really advice. Neither is a comment like "what did he think was going to happen?" these comments don't correct the players problem. They need instruction on the technical aspects of hitting a 3rd shot drop. I mean how to position their feet, weight transfer contact point out in front, grip pressure, recognizing quickly that they have hit a ball with an arched flight path that will land in the NVZ or at the feet of their opponents and then quickly moving forward in the court. Hitting an arched shot like this not only buys them time to move forward but also gives the opponents an unattackable ball. These are the comments I would have liked to have seen. I am a 4.0 level player and a PPR level 1 certified coach. The professional pickleball registry never instructed me to make such negative comments to my students..
All of these players have the athleticism and coordination to play much better. The biggest reason I see players not getting to the kitchen is because they are simply more comfortable playing from the baseline, even if it's the wrong place for them to be. I also see beginners who are afraid of being at the kitchen because they're afraid of the speed of the ball at close range. The problem is that these players are unwilling to get outside their comfort zone or invest the time to learn. None of these players are playing with intention regularly. They are simply reacting and/or trying to hit the ball back. The few times they play with intention, it is the wrong idea. I think of lobs as a high intention shot. These players are actually trying to hit it high with the intention of the other side making a mistake. But they're not using a lob as a way to push their opponents off the kitchen as a lob is actually intended. Most players even up to the 3.5 level have such a poor success rate of simply getting the ball in with lobs that they should abandon the shot entirely and focus on other aspects of their game. The player in yellow shows good touch with his drop shots. But as you mentioned, they're completely wasted because he does not make his way to the kitchen. It's baffling because sometimes he rushes to the net, other times he stays back. He's settling back into his comfort zone, or simply does not have the recognition to understand he should be rushing to the net. I see a lot of self taught players who have done very well without ever having taken a pickleball lesson. That's because they invest the time to learn from good videos and try to implement on the court. And they have enough of a growth mindset to get outside their comfort zone. I see other players who are stuck at their current skill level because they simply don't invest time in lessons, videos and drilling. They just want to play. I guess that's ok if they have no goal to improve and just want to have fun or get some exercise.
Thanks for the lengthy reply. I agree 100% with your comment about lobs. Most of time they are ineffective. I only hit one when I am falling back behind the service line do to a good serve or good return.
"They just want to play" YES this best describes me as I've never taken a lesson and have never "drilled." I play in a league once a week for two hours and that's all I have time for. I am always seeking out other players that are NOT a 'tennis quitters' with powerful topspin as most tennis pickle players come from hours and hours and thousands and thousands of dollars of private lessons...good riddance, was hoping that pickleball created a new sport where there were more people starting from scratch but most games seem to be dominated by tennis quitters.
@@DanielleMiller56I don’t have a tennis background and I do pretty decently. I also taught myself how to apply topspin to my forehand drives and rolls. So you can definitely be self taught! And the guy who just won the gold in men’s singles at PPA doesn’t have a racket background other than pickleball. So keep learning! And if you can, even do solo drills at home. They help. Even shadow drills (without a ball) help as long as you don’t feel embarrassed about it. 😅
It's funny you mentioned people who just pick up a paddle and start playing with out 'lessons' or any idea of the rules of the game. In last weeks Hyunai Masters tournament, there was a player who played there who had minimal experience with pickleball, Genie Bouchard. She played singles against Ekaterina Biakina, and lost 11-1, 11-7. She played mixed doubles with Tyler Loong and lost and also played Women's doubles and lost in the first round. Her Pickleball experience was about 20 minutes the afternoon before her first match, working with Tyler Loong. But she has committed to playing many tournaments this year, and is committing to Pickleball. In tennis, she won the Girls Wimbledon and lost in a Women's Wimbledon Final. I think she will do better (and probably take lessons🤔.)
Haha! She's an exception. I heard she was playing pickleball. A former Wimbledon doubles champion lives in my city. Chanda Rubin. I have begged her to play pickleball. She will not do it. Too busy with being on the WTA board and doing commentary on the tennis channel. I just wanted to play one game with her as my partner, beat a team, and then tell my opponents, "Don't feel too bad about losing. She won Wimbledon." Thanks for watching.
@13:00 the near court players should be moving forward in phases depending on how their returns go, not just running hoping to make it all in one return. When the return crosses the net you stop moving or continue moving based off the 3rd shot height of impact.
If the third shot is not effective, do a split step in the middle of the court and hope to get the piss shot to drop in the kitchen.
Thank you so much!!
You're welcome!
19:50 lol maybe he plays volleyball.. A point is a point no matter how it's scored and we high five each other.
Lol it's like a "yayyy we scared them so hard they screwed up"
Haha. Thanks.
I have played with so many players at this level and all they want to do these days is to stay back and bang the ball hard as they can or hit wild spins but never properly learn to control the ball or move up to the kitchen.
So true! Thanks for watching.
Yes it's hard to play with this type of player
@@Orefamilylawncare why is it hard to play with this type of player?
@@DanielleMiller56b/c it always turns into a frantic slugfest. The mentality to WIN the point as fast as possible and strategy takes a back seat. Nobody here advances in skill level. This is pickleball, as with any sport, learn the strategy. That's why I'm here. Albeit, this was a brutally hard watch
Question. I play with my girlfriend for recreational play every week, and she is always too afraid to go up to the kitchen. She doesn’t seem to understand why it’s an advantageous position, and is probably scared of reacting to fast volleys at the kitchen line. Any tips/suggestions I could give to her? I try to play up at the kitchen line as much as possible, but the opponent usually hits it to her because she is at the baseline at a good angle and she can’t reach the ball in time.
You are correct. If she does not move up, you have a very limited chance of being successful. A lot of newer players are afraid to play up because they are afraid of getting hit by the ball.. So, my suggestion is, make sure she wears a pair of safety glasses. And, tell her that if she gets hit, it will sting, it will leave a mark, but, it will go away in a couple of days. Lol. Thanks for watching and asking.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Good suggestion on the safety glasses. Thanks for your reply. Enjoy watching your videos!
Buy your gf sports safety glasses. That gave me confidence to be at the kitchen line. I bought RIA because of the quality, but there are less expensive glasses on the market.
Safety glasses are a must. A young lady in my group had eye surgery after being hit in the face.
I didn't wear safety glasses in the beginning. I played tennis and racquetball for many years. I thought "With my quick reaction and fast hands there is no way I will allow the ball to hit me in the face."
One day, I looked back as my partner hit the ball. It deflected off the paddle edge and hit me in the face. I wasn't expecting it. I wasn't hurt but the experience convinced me I needed to wear safety glasses.
Several months later, I was playing against a young collegiate tennis player. I was at the NVZ, set and ready to return his drive but it clipped the cable on the top of the net causing the ball to deflect up above my paddle knocking my head back. He thought I was seriously injured. I laughed and said "I'm good. Let's go"
Teach your girlfriend to be comfortable at the NVZ. Her mindset is important. When I am at the NVZ, I want the drive to come to me. I'm already thinking about where I will return it, weaker player, player who is off-balance/moving, non-dominant side if their backhand is weak, etc
A big part of being comfortable at the NVZ is knowing how to defend when your reaction time is limited. If you know how to defend, you won't be afraid of the ball.
When a hard-hit drive is coming right at them, inexperienced players will swing at the ball.
More experienced beginners and intermediate players will block and/or punch.
It is a lot easier to control the angle of the paddle face with a block or punch.
One of the most common mistakes new players make at the NVZ, when a ball is high and in their kill zone, is swinging down on the ball. It will go into the net or go OUT 80% of the time. Keep it simple. Control the angle of the paddle face and punch the ball.
Later, with more experience, you can swing down and crush the ball.
With that last sentence in mind, one of the most important lessons new players need to learn is to NEVER give your opponents a high ball they can crush back at you. That is nearly impossible, even with experienced players, to defend against.
One last point. When at the NVZ and blocking a hard-hit drive from the baseline, your grip dictates the pace of the return. Tight grip/more pace.
Use a loose grip to allow the paddle face to absorb the energy of the ball and just drop it over the net. The most valuable lesson I learned as a beginner from many drills is how to control the pace of your return by varying your grip.
Im confused. If the guy in black served the ball then the guy in grey can't take it out of the air. Right?? Why would you say grey shirt guy should come to the kitchen and hit out of the air after the serve???
When returning the serve, you should be moving through your shot to get to the kitchen line. Yes, the receiving player still has to let it bounce, but drive the return of serve deep and move through the shot to establish an aggressive position at the kitchen.
Thanks @ItsAdust. Jeanne is just a little confused. What I pointed out is, when returning a serve, a player should immediately move forward after hitting the ball. Of course, they do have to let it bounce before they hit it.
To all you people new to the game...welcome . Now , do yourselves a huge favor : don't yet even pick up a paddle at all for the very first time until you gain a basic understanding of how the sport of Pickle-Ball is designed to be played . UNDERSTAND-THEN PLAY , and only in that order ! Doing so in the opposite order can & will invariably result in learning and practicing bad mistakes that must be " Un-learned " before you could ever hope to get any better at Pickle-Ball . This game of Pickle-Ball is , first and foremost , great exercise for your brain , and then your body , and in that order ! It's kinda like the game of Pickle-Ball-Chess , except in this version of the game , you move the pieces around with a paddle instead of your fingers . So , how can you realize such an understanding ? Well , a really good way to do so , is , watch all of Rory's Pickle-Ball Pick Apart episodes....then watch them all over again . Only then will you really be ready to pick up that paddle and play for that aforementioned, " Very First Time . " Once again , welcome to the best game ever : PICKLE-BALL !
That's nice of you to say! And, very good advice.
Or, now hear me out....Just go out and have fun.
@@RoscoeB44 I agree. The basics are very confusing in the beginning, how the scoring works, where to stand, when to advance, etc
Reading about it is not as beneficial as just playing and learning from your mistakes.
If you played or watched table tennis, you could recognize the grip of grey t-shirt gentlemen resembles the shakehand grip of table tennis. Yep, I see several table tennis background people holds paddle like that, including me. My local club people call it ping pong grip. There are few who switches to ping pong grip time to time depending on situation.
It can give you good continental grip. However, by all means, it is not a good grip for beginners. The most obvious drawback of such grip is weak grip strength, because index finger is not participating to grip the handle. This will be particularly problem for backhand. Once heavy fast shot contacts to ping pong grip backhand, paddle will be likely to twisted or shaken because of weak grip strength, and the ball accuracy and speed will go down. On the other hand, because index finger (or with even thumb) supports paddle surface, forehand can be more or less beneficial.
From TT, such grip is usual because ball is very light and TT racket surface is rubber. But from PB, balls are heavier, carrying more energy and momentum, while paddle surface is not anything like rubber. So, it is reasonable TT grip will not perform well in PB in general. At least TT grip is not for everyone, it really depends on personal style and experience.
If people with TT background builds up good enough PB experience and still feels better with TT grip, and if their hand have high level of grip strength or if they go two-handed backhand, and if they use very good under/over grip, then I think TT grip might be fine. Not always, but time to time. Also, switching from semi-western grip from TT grip is very easy, you don't need to turn handle, just raise your index (and thumb, depending on personal style) finger straight to support paddle surface. I know this because those are what I do with TT grip, I only switching to ping pong grip 5~6 times per game, but it is useful.
For me, the most convenient time for TT grip is roll/punch volley from kitchen line. I really hit those shots with a sense of when I play TT, and it really works. I even try TT grip for backhand kitchen volleys. For backhand, sometimes I raise my thumb high to support back surface of backhand shot, then roll it, just like I do when I play TT. Yeah, this is not for everyone, especially not for PB beginners, but at least it works for me and few others. XD
I know our local club coach doesn't like TT grip like you XD But he also can't say anything to us because it works for us~
Thanks for watching and thanks for your reply. I understand that if it works for you, then use it. I don't like to see beginner players use it. That's because, if they use it and never try a continental or eastern grip, they will never know how much better they can play with one of those grips as opposed to a ping pong grip. The worst is when a player is not only using a ping pong grip, but, also has their hand all the up on the paddle. It totally takes away the advantage of a paddle even having a handle. They could actually play with a paddle that doesn't have a handle.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Yeah I agree, and I also wrote that TT grip should not be suggested to any PB beginners. And this grip is not for everyone, even with advance PB veterans. I think only few, like who played TT for a long time then play PB to be a advanced rating, then practice TT grip with muscle memory of TT, could utilize TT grip. Even then, no one can play TT grip for long time. As I already mentioned I only switch to TT grip, like 5~6 times, throughout a single 11 point game.
Two bad things with the ping pong grip. The forefinger on the paddle restricts wrist movement which causes a lack of power from a wrist snap. Second, the leverage you gain by having your hand down farther on the paddle handle is lost, and again a loss of power. Watch Ben Johns and see how powerful a wrist snap can be.@@pickleballpick-apart9787
You're wrong, his index finger is pointed up the grip and on to the paddle. A shake hand TT grip the index finger would be almost perpendicular to the handle.
"You have to play with intent". No, you don't. These guys are just out there having fun. That's all. We have 30 just like them in our group. They don't care if they win or lose. They just want to get out and have fun. It's better than their job. It's better than the honey-do list. And that's ok. It's a f-ing game, people. Don't take it, or yourselves, so seriously. Ultra-competitive assholes ruin the game. Lighten up.
Players play for different reasons. If they want to just hit the ball over the net with no idea of how pickleball is properly played, that's ok. If this type of player would take some time to understand how to play, I think they would enjoy it even more. Thanks for your opinion.
This channel is directed towards people trying to get better at the game. So comments like “you have to play with intent” are entirely valid. For people that don’t care and are just out to have fun, those comments just aren’t applicable to them. Additionally there are hyper competitive people in everything. If you don’t like people that play that style then just don’t play with them, there’s nothing wrong with having opposing opinions.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Ping pong grip does work. The guy in gray has his grip too low. Grip should be higher on the paddle. You are basing his play on his grip. It’s his play, not his grip.
You think his grip should be higher on the paddle? I disagree. If that's the case, he doesn't even need a handle. Paddles have a handle for a reason. The butt of the handle should be in the padding in the palm of the hand. It's okay to disagree. I don't know of many pros who use a ping pong grip. Thanks for watching.
What I learned most from this video is that Rory is kind of a condesending jerk. Sorry, but if you're going to dish it out you should be able to take some criticism. I mean, they are out there trying at 5am!!! why would you say "what did he think was going to happen with that shot" and "they have to play with intent". They ARE trying! They WANT to win. They have gone to some effort to get there before the sun came up!! Please consider finding positives about what they are doing and make a compliment sandwich before and after a criticism. Players at this level don't play with much intention other than to get the ball back over the net. Really what you are saying about there mistakes are true but in this video much of your observations were about court position and strategy. You're not digging down deep enough.You should spend some time talking about their body mechanics and how that will help them move foreward in the court as well as get more control on the hit. For example you could talk about foot work, swinging through the ball, contact point out in front, unit turn as in hips and shoulders turning together as you hit through the ball. Perhaps you could add a clip showing the proper form when you pause a video after poor body mechanics and footwork were used. Good luck Rory with your channel.
Thanks for the comment. I'll take into consideration some of your advice.
@ Glenmead... Calling Rory a condescending jerk is a bit harsh! I think of his critiques more as tough love. And also kind of humorous. Saying, "what did he think was going to happen with that shot" is actually very helpful. I say that to myself when I pop a ball up. It helps me to remember not to keep making the same mistake. I think Rory's critiques would be very boring if he just said things like, "perhaps that nice fellow should occasionally move up the the kitchen line". LOL... Thank you Rory for making these wonderful critiques. My wife and I are getting better thanks to you!
The reason the players are playing this way is because the guy in the yellow anyway is the tennis player and doesn’t know the strategy. He doesn’t realize that his drop shot is good. They don’t know they should move forward as quickly as possible. Tennis players stay back because they’re used to playing singles and waiting for an opportunity to advance to the net and it usually doesn’t happen immediately.
Nope. You are wrong, Glen. Rorey is giving brutally honest advice, and I appreciate it. I was stuck at the 2.5 level for one year because of all the reasons pointed out during this video. 2.5 pickleball is miserable, and the faster a player can build their skills, the better.
@@AnnMitt Rory saying "you're doing it wrong" isn't really advice. Neither is a comment like "what did he think was going to happen?" these comments don't correct the players problem. They need instruction on the technical aspects of hitting a 3rd shot drop. I mean how to position their feet, weight transfer contact point out in front, grip pressure, recognizing quickly that they have hit a ball with an arched flight path that will land in the NVZ or at the feet of their opponents and then quickly moving forward in the court. Hitting an arched shot like this not only buys them time to move forward but also gives the opponents an unattackable ball. These are the comments I would have liked to have seen.
I am a 4.0 level player and a PPR level 1 certified coach. The professional pickleball registry never instructed me to make such negative comments to my students..
All of these players have the athleticism and coordination to play much better.
The biggest reason I see players not getting to the kitchen is because they are simply more comfortable playing from the baseline, even if it's the wrong place for them to be. I also see beginners who are afraid of being at the kitchen because they're afraid of the speed of the ball at close range. The problem is that these players are unwilling to get outside their comfort zone or invest the time to learn.
None of these players are playing with intention regularly. They are simply reacting and/or trying to hit the ball back. The few times they play with intention, it is the wrong idea. I think of lobs as a high intention shot. These players are actually trying to hit it high with the intention of the other side making a mistake. But they're not using a lob as a way to push their opponents off the kitchen as a lob is actually intended.
Most players even up to the 3.5 level have such a poor success rate of simply getting the ball in with lobs that they should abandon the shot entirely and focus on other aspects of their game.
The player in yellow shows good touch with his drop shots. But as you mentioned, they're completely wasted because he does not make his way to the kitchen. It's baffling because sometimes he rushes to the net, other times he stays back. He's settling back into his comfort zone, or simply does not have the recognition to understand he should be rushing to the net.
I see a lot of self taught players who have done very well without ever having taken a pickleball lesson. That's because they invest the time to learn from good videos and try to implement on the court. And they have enough of a growth mindset to get outside their comfort zone.
I see other players who are stuck at their current skill level because they simply don't invest time in lessons, videos and drilling. They just want to play. I guess that's ok if they have no goal to improve and just want to have fun or get some exercise.
Thanks for the lengthy reply. I agree 100% with your comment about lobs. Most of time they are ineffective. I only hit one when I am falling back behind the service line do to a good serve or good return.
"They just want to play" YES this best describes me as I've never taken a lesson and have never "drilled." I play in a league once a week for two hours and that's all I have time for. I am always seeking out other players that are NOT a 'tennis quitters' with powerful topspin as most tennis pickle players come from hours and hours and thousands and thousands of dollars of private lessons...good riddance, was hoping that pickleball created a new sport where there were more people starting from scratch but most games seem to be dominated by tennis quitters.
@@DanielleMiller56I don’t have a tennis background and I do pretty decently. I also taught myself how to apply topspin to my forehand drives and rolls.
So you can definitely be self taught! And the guy who just won the gold in men’s singles at PPA doesn’t have a racket background other than pickleball.
So keep learning! And if you can, even do solo drills at home. They help. Even shadow drills (without a ball) help as long as you don’t feel embarrassed about it. 😅
I like you ch but can you please stop calling it the non volley zone ... and just call it the kitchen please please please !!!!!!
I call it the non-volley zone most of the time. I do say kitchen occasionally. I'll try my best to do it more often. Thanks for the suggestion.