The fat dude should have some respect and leave his phone while interviewing a guy like Michael. Totally disrespectful. Checking Instagram rather than listening to those amazing stories.
Chin was so powerful that mafia hitmen, tough guys, were terrified to speak his name. It was known that if you said his name out loud, you were found in a trunk. If you were found at all.
No screw the Chin and any other of his scum these guys aren't tuff sneaking around like rats shooting people in the back the Mob are nothing but cowards and thiefs
Not only was Chin the boss of the Genovese Family, he was the top power on the Commission, and influenced organized crime across the country. He was respected in the streets. Tough guys were afraid to even speak his name. For almost 30 years he ducked heavy jail sentences by acting crazy. And when the Feds finally took him down, his family was the strongest and most financially diverse, with the fewest informants. Chin is probably a top 5 boss of all time.
His subordinates from the underboss to capos to made men to street associates had to point to their chin or gang sign the letter c with their hand to refer to the Chin. You couldn’t mention his name for good reason. He didn’t want his AK heard on wiretaps. This edict was enforced under Omertà the ancient penalty of death to those who broke the rule. If that’s not some nitty gritty elite LCN capo di tutti capo mafioso gangster shit then I don’t know what is
I can’t believe they’re actually having this convo. Every high ranking turn coat and mafia investigation and documentary has stated that chin was the boss of bosses and most powerful godfather since Carlo. Rudy is a Malaka and so is the fat guy that questioned Michael at the end.
Its known that if you mentioned Chin by name on the phone or at a meeting you would be killed. People used to rub their chins to reference Gigante. He was the real boss
Yes sir. His subordinates from the underboss to capos to made men to street associates had to point to their chin or gang sign the letter c with their hand to refer to the Chin. You couldn’t mention his name for good reason. He didn’t want his AK heard on wiretaps. This edict was enforced under Omertà the ancient penalty of death to those who broke the rule. If that’s not some nitty gritty elite LCN capo di tutti capo mafioso gangster shit then I don’t know what is
Rudy is unbelievably far off on this. Chin was the number one in his family, and that family under Chin was at several points in time _the_ most powerful of all the families.
If Chin wasn’t number 1 he wouldn’t be in the commission meeting with John Gotti and gaspipe and Vic Amuso discussing commission business. Rudi has lost his mind.
Rudy indicted Tony Salerno, alleging in the Commission case that he was the boss of the Genovese family. Most people understood that Fat Tony was only the "front" boss, and that Chin was the actual boss. But Rudy was snookered, just like he was snookered by freaking Borat. Salerno actually raised the fact that he was indicted as the boss, but wasn't the actual boss, in his appeal in the Commission case.
@MyNameIsJeff1 111 And who can trust what degenerate liars say? I find it's funny the gvt during prosecution will show these guys in a real light as lying losers who can not be trusted..then if they cooperate all sudden they are believable..and of no course no one has said chin wasn't .bc the guys who truly knew tge truth and didn't lie, just wouldn't consider giving gvt any play.
@MyNameIsJeff1 111 I'd say Guiliani knew more of the truth than either of us. So the only other involved were rats. Degenerate liars. It won't change my life either way. Just I don't believe all of what cooperaters say..especially ones who later write books and outlandish things sell.
Rudy was just wrong about this. Chin wasn't really picked up on wire taps himself and nobody was allowed to mention his name so I'm not sure where he gets this from. The bottom line is he was a Capo and in the administration for many years and then he was the boss during the 80s. I'll take Michael Franzese and Sammy Gravano's word for it who actually met with him and were in LCN over Rudy's. I think this is his ego talking. Chin went down in the end but he did a pretty good job of fooling law enforcement and avoiding getting caught on tape for a long time.
Sammy actually didnt know he was boss..he thought fat tony was boss lol..Nobody knew who was the boss of the genovese, not even the other families..Sammy gets it wrong all the time in his old stories..""Chin was a capo at the time""..Noooo chin was the head guy since the 70s
That acting boss play with Fat Tony Salerno and pretending to be ill minded was smart from Chin. And he blew up Frank Decicco, Gotti didn’t even go to war with Chin after that.
@@GoodFilms28 chin was the boss right after Don Vito died in 1969. Than he made benny Lombardo front boss and than fat Tony. His daughter tells this in an interview that he had many front bosses not only fat tony
Dude I lived 4 hours from NYC and was not even hitting puberty yet and even I know Chin was playing crazy and was #1. For years he played the crazy card, especially wearing a bathrobe half the time; to look crazy and keeping the heat off him.
There’s even transcripts of Fat Tony complaining to Tony Ducks about having to take some decisions downtown (aka to Chin). So bizarre that Rudy would claim this - every ex-mafia member from that time has said Chin was the boss.
I used to live in NYC. I lived in the Bronx. Rudy was a beacon for ground zero after 9/11. What happened to him after that, God only knows. He truly fail from grace after 9/11. Latching on to Trump’s coat tail did him in. What was he thinking of?🤔 I guess he wanted to continue to be relevant. Hell of a way to do it. Associating himself with scumbag and company.
LOL I just spent 4 hours reading various criminal cases from the federal government's database. I swear..this might sound odd, but when you hear stories of crime on platforms like this, it sounds entertaining. But when you read this stuff in indictments, it's sad...the state attorneys and judges definitely have a way of making crime seem unappealing. Reading page after page of these mafia guys' federal indictments is making me feel sorrow for the entire world. These guys literally were murdering people who they could have worked it out with by talking..all over money..and then when they got caught, they tried to get out of it by blaming other people or taking deals. Please make this lifestyle continue to look ugly, Mike. I just read all about how the Mafia in the 80s threatened and bullied construction companies.."Im Paul Castellano, my sons build houses, so if you dont lower the prices on building materials, I might feel insulted"..And these guys LITERALLY become IN FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES..and their FAMILY'S lives...to the point where they don't know what to do. They are SCUMBAGS, stop making ém look cool! Think about how many people went to sleep at night thinking they were going to DIE the next day because the Commission wanted to extort the business they just so happened to be in. Fareal. Pat, you never lived this criminal lifestyle..probably never even been effected by violence in your life. Add a disclaimer Bro. Don't Profit or make this entertainment for the sake of an income stream my guy. The people might think this is amusing instead of sad.
I agree, for the children most of all. I fell into culture of hustling and look over your shoulder all the time. It's evil. The life style isn't worth the money. Your a slave to the culture.
@@heidithaw1072 c’mon it’s us history. And cowboys&outlaws weren’t exactly harmless killing and robbing people. Even Pirates robbing and raping people.
I understand why Rudy is a part of the upcoming feature, but seeing a clip like this - and hearing how wrong he was, and the way he speaks - I would have preferred to hear someone like Joe Pistone and his take on things from the government’s perspective
Chin was the chairman of the commission for 19 years. He was the most powerful person in New York City. Rudy has become a parody of his former self. He's a complete clown.
How do you know? Lmao..u watched every mob video on TH-cam? Maybe your uncle "was around dem guys "? Lol..how do you know .bc a pathological lying rat named craving said so? Come on man..none of us know..the truth is halfway between Giuliani and the street
@@mikevarga6742 Not sure where you're going with this but my remarks about Rudy were obviously my opinion. What I said about Chin is just fact. I mean look it up, it's not secret information or anything.
What are u talking about? Lol. Even michael says giuliani did more damage to mob than anyone in history! He gave most of leadership in families 100 yr sentences. They were reeling for years.
@@david5263 The Genovese hasn't been brought down. They only convicted the Chin and since then just one Capo. The Genovese's haven't gone through what the over families has
Maybe Giulianis memory isnt as great as it used to be 🤔 By now everybody who has been even a little bit interested about Chin and maybe watched videos on yt where hes mentioned knows that Chin was nro.1. As its no longer a secret. Judging by some stories told by people who met him and talked business with him, i get the feeling he had more power than other bosses and maybe was the closest thing of being the boss of all bosses. And yes i do know that at that time there was no such title anymore. Then again some people say Castellano was kind of boss of all bosses but im not so sure.. What do you fellow commentators think, which one was more powerful boss, the Chin or Gotti? Just those two options and in the same era, 80's, I know i have my opinion(thats all it is) and im saying it was Chin. No doubt in my mind. remember, its not a popularity contest.
@@riiadejaneiro3766 the chin but Don Carlo Gambino had a huge influence as well as Tony Accardo in Chicago, big tuna was boss in Chicago from the 50s until his death 1992
@@mikeharryhunt1709 no no no no you misunderstood. Of course these are jusr claims ive heard. And my speculation wasnt about Paul and Gotti, i meant the time after Big Paulie got whacked. Im putting Chin against Gotti as a boss, which one you people think had more power, for example to give orders and make decisions? In my opinion it was Chin. Genovese family was considered to be the ivy league of LCN, Chin had been the boss for a long time and seemed to have some power to be okayed to make big decisions by himself. Gotti on the other hand, eventough he wasnt weak, he was cosa nostra, but much of that was because he had Sammy backing him up. Until. Feel free to tell me a different view, i like to think about stuff i dont have absolute knowledge from different angles.
@@FrancodeChicago absolutely. I deliberately left Carlo Gambino out of this as he was the last "official" boss of all bosses. And im talking about bosses from certain era, after Carlo and Paul.
Schizophrenia was the flavor of the moment in psychological terms in the 70s. & early 80s. Sort of like how EVERY kid that had energy was suddenly ADD or ADHD over night. Actual percentage of schizophrenia in the population is less than .05%, but at the time it was the Go-to. Odds of knowing someone that actually had it was very small. Odds of knowing multiple people would be nearly impossible unless you were in the mental health field.
If the Rudi we see today had been the one prosecuting the Commission case not only would have he have lost the case, he would have been laughed out of court! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That was just the Chin's people protecting him! That is how loyal and secretive the Genovese Family is that is why they are the most powerful still today!!
How can he be a rat when he died in prison? The man was a boss of one of the families, surely if he was cooperating he would have made a deal to get out of jail early
Interesting you put this short clip episode up on "The Chin." A week ago on The MBA and the Button Man podcast, episode #86, I put up a post about The Chin. First he had the be intelligent and extremely committed to put on that theatrical act for years while heading one of the most powerful mafia families on Earth (I suspect the Chicago Outfit and NYC Genovese were on par and the 2 most powerful in the USA). However, I ponder if the non-don-like conduct of the Chin signified the decline of Cosa Nostra USA and NOT John Gotti? It's a thought not a hard conclusion.
What I posted--or 1 of 2 that I posted--on #86 episode of The MBA and the Button Man. Last week, copied and paste: (Contrasting and comparing is often used in "critical thinking.") From article titled "Spotlight Starting to Dim for Deal-Maker..." His biggest case was taking down reputed mob boss Frank Balistrieri for tax evasion. "I remember him as being a short, extraordinarily well-dressed, extraordinarily well-groomed guy," Gimbel said. "When he looked at you, you felt like he was measuring you for the box." Frank Gimble was speaking about his time as a prosecutor (lawyer). Dictionary term from Oxford Languages: "dig·ni·fied /ˈdiɡnəˌfīd/ "adjective "having or showing a composed or serious manner that is worthy of respect." The song "crazy" th-cam.com/video/-N4jf6rtyuw/w-d-xo.html If The Chin, the former chief of the legitimately mighty Genovese mafia family, were sitting beside the former chief of the Milwaukee mafia family in court, and both on trial we would hope he would not stand up and start singing that song "crazy."
It was a secret society, what the rest of the world thought of them was of no concern. People thought chins main mentor was Vito genovese but it was really highly secretive boss Phil Lombardo who no one knows anything about. I assume chin learnt this behavior from him and had to change with the times. Back in the day they had to catch u red handed, in chins time they could give u life just for being the boss.
@@mateocalderon6822, for a secret society so many "civilians" seem to have known who the bosses of every mafia family in every city of the USA. Other mafia bosses in the USA didn't wander the streets of their city disheveled, talking to themselves. Now, I have to admit doing that was brilliant and for 30 years tool tremendous dedication! Props to the Chin for that. On the other hand... if a don doesn't wear shorts (LOL) then a don certainly doesn't wander the streets mumbling to himself in a bathrobe. I read it as a FEAR to go to prison. Understandable. But such a fear does not give off the appearance of invincibility nor fearlessness. I spot a weak point in your armor and then army up with the FBI a gang the Chin does fear. Hey! I DON'T blame the Chin for having had a fear of being thrown decades behind bars. Most sane people that place high value on their lives, freedom, good food, beaches, parks, and loved ones DO have a RATIONAL fear of doing decades in prison. Anyways, equally important in all of this is that I could be very wrong about "what a don of a crime family should not do." I'm no veteran of that life. Hell... I was never an apprentice or intern of that life. I'm just a Joe Blow armchair quarterback with an impression or opinion. Peace! ✌
@@brewcity2317 at that time every boss in nyc got 100 years just for being the boss, except for chin. I think he admitted it was a fear of going to jail and that's also the reason he never got into drugs. Him and his mentor Vito genovese got framed for a crime they didn't do and received a lengthy prison term. After that I think he decided he had to do something differently. Chin saw himself as one of the last enforcers of Cosa nostra, maybe he thought if he went to jail it would fall apart without him and that's why he thought it was so important to stay out of jail.
Chin fooled two court-appointed shrinks and Rudy remains embarrassed that he got fooled too, but it was eventually conclusively proven that Gigante was faking his mental condition. Mike Franzese is 100% correct. The Chin was definitely the boss of the Genovese family.
Patrick try to get Rita Gigante on as a guest. Chins daughter. She seems like such a sweet person. She’ll tell you some stories if you want to know about Chin. She just may do it if you asked.
All the comments be like Rudy got played etc , he still cleaned up the streets and sent these men underground , plus why do you respect murderers and those that poison a community.
because when its not happening to you, it seems very distant..and when things are distant and unrelatable, it can be disguised as entertainment? I don't think it's cool to have your neighborhood in fear of drug-dealing criminals who intimidate people through murder...When it really happens, it leaves people's worlds rocked. Think about how you feel every time you hear about a mass shooting..that gut punch..That's what it's like to some innocent family member every time these guys decide to make a move. It's sad. If your family member were to get killed in front of you as a result of some criminal activity, you'd be psychologically damaged...saddened and depressed..But when it happens on a tv screen or far away from you, it's easy to think of it as entertainment. The word is "desensitized"
@Kalmer Henrico oh my god, your last name is actually the county i live in..henrico county..so i'll refrain from offending you..But i get it..sometimes i sit back and wonder why this world is so crazy. Why do my people constantly join gangs, even though there's almost 60 years of evidence that shows the results? Sometimes I think these "powers" are socially engineering it through rap music, addiction to european clothes and cars, and all that stuff..So I understand it...every time I think you guys are conspiracy theorists who are thinking too much, I always go back to my own hypothesis..That's you guys' war...ya'll been duking it out since the civil war when my people were just trying to adjust to life here on this continent..so i'll let you guys do your thing..but my #1 theory on all of that conspiracy stuff is simply taxes. Why do i have to pay 50% of my taxes every year but rich people pay only 1-5%? Why does amazon get to build new factories and cities beg them to come & allow them to operate free of charge, no taxes whatsoever? just to say they got an amazon in their city...Forget all that political global power stuff..that's the real fire from the smoke. You guys are on the right track, but you still think there's a good side and a bad side
Amazing and they stole your law license Rudy we believed in you but you lost you’re not good as a leader you’re a great lawyer but we need to win the Bolsheviks are winning and we need someone who can stop them not someone who says pray or listens to the. Alta cacas ( Yiddish for old people ) i’ll call up your radio show and tell you how great you are we’re losing and it’s not even sure thing come November for the midterm elections you lost and your son lost and Trump got cheated and you didn’t do anything about it except promises that you were going to blow the door off of the left and you didn’t blow anything I’m sorry you left me crying and everybody else who believes in you we need someone who can win
Strange take considering it's pretty much common knowledge now that Chin was the top guy during that time period by all the mob experts and made guys who flipped at that time, why would guys like Franzese and Sammy Gravano lie about it? They were both high ranking mobsters at the time and have no reason to now make out the Chin was something he wasn't.
Rudy Giuliani just said that because they got duped into thinking fat tony was number 1. Once they were about the come out with the indictments they started hearing that they didn’t have the Genovese boss, but they wanted to save face so they just went along telling people that they got the boss.
So everyone is lying except Giuliani? Right. I suspect Giuliani is just embarrassed because he thought Tony Salerno was the boss and he doesn't want to admit he was duped. I saw a clip from the early 1980's where Jimmy the Weasel Fratianno said he was in a meeting with his own boss and the leadership of the Genovese family and he said it consisted of Funzi Tieri, Chin and Tony Salerno. At the time this clip was made, Chin was referred to as a Genovese soldier but if he was merely a soldier, why would Funzi Tieri and Tony Salerno have him at this meeting? All the evidence suggests that Chin was really the boss and the Genovese family was letting people outside the family think Funzi Tieri or Tony Salerno were calling the shots. Even Fratianno thought Tieri was the boss.
It ls also known fat Tony was retired living on his farm raising horses and he was getting bored and itching to get back into things so the chin said you can come back and be the boss in name only, handle certain issues with other families and collect money and Fat Tony was more than eager to oblige but the real power was the Chin and everyone in the mafia knew this
It was known that their family knows the government is watching them all the time closely! So they always play and act one way toward the government to confuse the government. That was the whole thing why Chin is acting like that. So to see Giuliani talk like this proves Chin succeeded!
First time I heard anything about Chin being anything less than the top guy. From Michael, from Sammy, from Joe Pistone, everybody said he was boss. I like Rudy, God knows he's extremely capable and highly intelligent but he's mixed up here.
gigante played the NYPD and FBI, for years. he went to hospitals and took LSD so as to fool staff that he was schitzophrenic, hearing noises, and seeing things...He was smart as could be. in fact no one could mention his name, people had to touch their chin when talking about him.
How doesn’t these people know that Chin’s bathrobe thing was just a rouse? It’s been common knowledge forever. How doesn’t they know that Chin was the boss? Again it’s been common knowledge forever. Giuliani has lost his marbles for sure
There actual video of the chin going out the back door to his Girlfriend apartment to visit her all night. Micheal just did a episode with Chins daughter and she also explained exactly how her dad fooled everyone
I don’t believe it either. With how many times he was locked up there is absolutely no way. However it is weird how it’s been said that Persico knew about Scarpa being an informant the whole time and didn’t do anything. Larry Mazza said this.
I think this further proves Rudy lost his mind years ago. Anyone who even does cursory reading and research into the mob knows Chin Gigante was the power behind the Genoveses for a long, long time. He was the heavyweight on the Commission and extremely well-respected. Both Michael and Sammy were confused and flabbergasted at Rudy's comments because they don't reflect reality one bit. I think Rudy both lost his mind a long time ago and he's too embarrassed to admit his office got it wrong by prosecuting Salerno as the boss. He got played and outsmarted by Gigante.
@Del Boy No No it was widely known Sammy was in Arizona they could of easily of killed him!! Just think they allowed Jr Gotti to be the Boss for awhile that's how bad things had become lol
@Del Boy he snitch on norby walters who got 5 years in prison. Norby walters and his lawyers won a appeal and he didn’t do any time but that is all irrelevant Michael still snitch on him and got him 5 years
If you ask me Chin was the smartest boss he put Fat Tony up as a prop to seem like he was the real boss and by doing that avoided the commission case that got all the other families bosses 100 years a piece he was the only boss on the commission that tried to retaliate against Gotti for killing big Paulie. Chin was the GOAT hands down
This is just Rudy's big ego refusing to admit he was wrong... Gigante was very well respected in that family and could have taken fat tony out of the picture in an instant... Does Rudy ever think that maybe Gigante and his guys knew where they were at was bugged and they spoke those lines on purpose to throw off the government with who was really in the family's hierarchy??? That is something Chin would definitely do. These guys know which buildings are more than likely bugged.
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The fat dude should have some respect and leave his phone while interviewing a guy like Michael. Totally disrespectful. Checking Instagram rather than listening to those amazing stories.
The only reason Giuliani is saying this nonsense is because the government got fooled in the commission trial and indicted the wrong boss 🤣
Chin was so powerful that mafia hitmen, tough guys, were terrified to speak his name. It was known that if you said his name out loud, you were found in a trunk. If you were found at all.
Exactly he has a hard ** for Chin x Or Rudy is REALLY bad at his job
Very true 😂giuliani isn’t slick lmao
@@StyxswimmerChin and Gaspipe were the two most feared mobsters of their era.
The greatest thing in the world is seein a clueless self rightuoes beta male come unstuck the first thing they do is namecallin
Rudi just cannot admit Chin fooled him.
And Chin's legend continues to grow.
@Jimmy Spilotro Rude Rudy!
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No screw the Chin and any other of his scum these guys aren't tuff sneaking around like rats shooting people in the back the Mob are nothing but cowards and thiefs
Not only was Chin the boss of the Genovese Family, he was the top power on the Commission, and influenced organized crime across the country. He was respected in the streets. Tough guys were afraid to even speak his name. For almost 30 years he ducked heavy jail sentences by acting crazy. And when the Feds finally took him down, his family was the strongest and most financially diverse, with the fewest informants. Chin is probably a top 5 boss of all time.
His subordinates from the underboss to capos to made men to street associates had to point to their chin or gang sign the letter c with their hand to refer to the Chin. You couldn’t mention his name for good reason. He didn’t want his AK heard on wiretaps. This edict was enforced under Omertà the ancient penalty of death to those who broke the rule. If that’s not some nitty gritty elite LCN capo di tutti capo mafioso gangster shit then I don’t know what is
💯💯💯.. After he got put Away he spoke perfectly & looked great on visitations 😂 He said forget about the act after getting convicted 😂 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼🫡🫡
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Rudy just doesn’t want to admit to being outsmarted.
its not that deep
@@newsgap3682 Rudy said he was #8...he's trying to save face
He’s senile
I think Rudy tossed back a few that day..
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I can’t believe they’re actually having this convo. Every high ranking turn coat and mafia investigation and documentary has stated that chin was the boss of bosses and most powerful godfather since Carlo. Rudy is a Malaka and so is the fat guy that questioned Michael at the end.
I wish this fat guy would have worn something that fitted, rather than his T-shirt from the 11th grade.
@@Bennyboy12 Pretty much lol
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No doubt, just have to look at who was still standing in the 90s to confirm that.
Its known that if you mentioned Chin by name on the phone or at a meeting you would be killed. People used to rub their chins to reference Gigante. He was the real boss
Yes sir. His subordinates from the underboss to capos to made men to street associates had to point to their chin or gang sign the letter c with their hand to refer to the Chin. You couldn’t mention his name for good reason. He didn’t want his AK heard on wiretaps. This edict was enforced under Omertà the ancient penalty of death to those who broke the rule. If that’s not some nitty gritty elite LCN capo di tutti capo mafioso gangster shit then I don’t know what is
Rudy is unbelievably far off on this. Chin was the number one in his family, and that family under Chin was at several points in time _the_ most powerful of all the families.
How is Rudy a credible source of anything other than domestic terrorism?
If Chin wasn’t number 1 he wouldn’t be in the commission meeting with John Gotti and gaspipe and Vic Amuso discussing commission business. Rudi has lost his mind.
Even before he had attended one or two meetings like in 83 but then backed down which served him better.
Giuliani must be cracking up. Countless informant's and FBI agent's have said Chin was the boss of the Genovese.
Rudy indicted Tony Salerno, alleging in the Commission case that he was the boss of the Genovese family. Most people understood that Fat Tony was only the "front" boss, and that Chin was the actual boss. But Rudy was snookered, just like he was snookered by freaking Borat. Salerno actually raised the fact that he was indicted as the boss, but wasn't the actual boss, in his appeal in the Commission case.
Chin was number one and everyone knows it. Rudy is just mad he got outplayed.
It only makes sense what Giuliani says. Chin was simply a lightning rod
@@mikevarga6742 who was the boss then?
@@nickjohnson710 Tony
@MyNameIsJeff1 111 And who can trust what degenerate liars say? I find it's funny the gvt during prosecution will show these guys in a real light as lying losers who can not be trusted..then if they cooperate all sudden they are believable..and of no course no one has said chin wasn't .bc the guys who truly knew tge truth and didn't lie, just wouldn't consider giving gvt any play.
@MyNameIsJeff1 111 I'd say Guiliani knew more of the truth than either of us. So the only other involved were rats. Degenerate liars. It won't change my life either way. Just I don't believe all of what cooperaters say..especially ones who later write books and outlandish things sell.
Rudy was just wrong about this. Chin wasn't really picked up on wire taps himself and nobody was allowed to mention his name so I'm not sure where he gets this from.
The bottom line is he was a Capo and in the administration for many years and then he was the boss during the 80s. I'll take Michael Franzese and Sammy Gravano's word for it who actually met with him and were in LCN over Rudy's. I think this is his ego talking. Chin went down in the end but he did a pretty good job of fooling law enforcement and avoiding getting caught on tape for a long time.
Even Sammy the bull says chin was boss and would sure as sh*t kill you.
I don’t doubt that because he’ll kill you if your liability in his eyes
Sammy actually didnt know he was boss..he thought fat tony was boss lol..Nobody knew who was the boss of the genovese, not even the other families..Sammy gets it wrong all the time in his old stories..""Chin was a capo at the time""..Noooo chin was the head guy since the 70s
@@sabot4geNot gonna pretend like I know. But from listening to Sammy's podcasts lately that not Impression I got.
That acting boss play with Fat Tony Salerno and pretending to be ill minded was smart from Chin. And he blew up Frank Decicco, Gotti didn’t even go to war with Chin after that.
@@GoodFilms28 chin was the boss right after Don Vito died in 1969. Than he made benny Lombardo front boss and than fat Tony. His daughter tells this in an interview that he had many front bosses not only fat tony
Huge respect for Chin Gigante for acting crazy these whole time 🔥🔥🔥
It didn't save him. He died in prison
@@wokejoke2675when he was like 80 . His best days were far being him
the genovese wouldve killed chin if they saw him as legit crazy & " 8th " in the heiarchy . giuliani sounds nuts here
Yep
Same one whom dressed up as a woman in makeup and flirted with Trump, crazy?
@@conormccormack7841 you gotta get trump outta your head
@@Ianstube12 Has Rudy dressed up as a woman and flirted with everyone he knows?
That's because he is nuts. He's been nuts for a long time
Dude I lived 4 hours from NYC and was not even hitting puberty yet and even I know Chin was playing crazy and was #1. For years he played the crazy card, especially wearing a bathrobe half the time; to look crazy and keeping the heat off him.
There’s even transcripts of Fat Tony complaining to Tony Ducks about having to take some decisions downtown (aka to Chin). So bizarre that Rudy would claim this - every ex-mafia member from that time has said Chin was the boss.
Rudy is an absolute basket case. These last few years have just been embarrassing on every level.
unless you are a Trumpie ... then they are God 1 and God 2 .
@@csnide6702 Couldn’t agree more! He’s a criminal himself along with Trump
I used to live in NYC. I lived in the Bronx. Rudy was a beacon for ground zero after 9/11. What happened to him after that, God only knows. He truly fail from grace after 9/11. Latching on to Trump’s coat tail did him in. What was he thinking of?🤔 I guess he wanted to continue to be relevant. Hell of a way to do it. Associating himself with scumbag and company.
That guy questioning Michael it was know gigante was in charge and was playing crazy Rudy lost his mind years ago.
Why because he calls out the communist cowards on the left….
LOL I just spent 4 hours reading various criminal cases from the federal government's database. I swear..this might sound odd, but when you hear stories of crime on platforms like this, it sounds entertaining. But when you read this stuff in indictments, it's sad...the state attorneys and judges definitely have a way of making crime seem unappealing. Reading page after page of these mafia guys' federal indictments is making me feel sorrow for the entire world. These guys literally were murdering people who they could have worked it out with by talking..all over money..and then when they got caught, they tried to get out of it by blaming other people or taking deals. Please make this lifestyle continue to look ugly, Mike. I just read all about how the Mafia in the 80s threatened and bullied construction companies.."Im Paul Castellano, my sons build houses, so if you dont lower the prices on building materials, I might feel insulted"..And these guys LITERALLY become IN FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES..and their FAMILY'S lives...to the point where they don't know what to do. They are SCUMBAGS, stop making ém look cool! Think about how many people went to sleep at night thinking they were going to DIE the next day because the Commission wanted to extort the business they just so happened to be in. Fareal. Pat, you never lived this criminal lifestyle..probably never even been effected by violence in your life. Add a disclaimer Bro. Don't Profit or make this entertainment for the sake of an income stream my guy. The people might think this is amusing instead of sad.
I agree, for the children most of all. I fell into culture of hustling and look over your shoulder all the time.
It's evil. The life style isn't worth the money. Your a slave to the culture.
I agree. What they do is not harmless.
You are 100% right! I wish they would stop glorifying these losers
@@heidithaw1072 c’mon it’s us history. And cowboys&outlaws weren’t exactly harmless killing and robbing people. Even Pirates robbing and raping people.
Great vid PBD! Cant wait for future videos! Michael is so interesting
I understand why Rudy is a part of the upcoming feature, but seeing a clip like this - and hearing how wrong he was, and the way he speaks - I would have preferred to hear someone like Joe Pistone and his take on things from the government’s perspective
Joe Pistone is THE MAN !!!
@@zoomonkeydotcom2005 forgive the term Mr. Pistone is a stand up guy.
So you trust him in the the socio-political sphere but seeing how arrogant and wrong he is decide to ignore your gut feeling right
Chin was the chairman of the commission for 19 years. He was the most powerful person in New York City. Rudy has become a parody of his former self. He's a complete clown.
How do you know? Lmao..u watched every mob video on TH-cam? Maybe your uncle "was around dem guys "? Lol..how do you know .bc a pathological lying rat named craving said so? Come on man..none of us know..the truth is halfway between Giuliani and the street
@@mikevarga6742 Not sure where you're going with this but my remarks about Rudy were obviously my opinion. What I said about Chin is just fact. I mean look it up, it's not secret information or anything.
No he wasnt the most powerfull,the mafia is brought down
By the most powerfull mafia ,the gouverment
What are u talking about? Lol. Even michael says giuliani did more damage to mob than anyone in history! He gave most of leadership in families 100 yr sentences. They were reeling for years.
@@david5263 The Genovese hasn't been brought down. They only convicted the Chin and since then just one Capo. The Genovese's haven't gone through what the over families has
Lol 😆 Rudy Is Talking Out His Own Back Yard 🎯 The Chin Was A Powerful, Respected And Feared Boss 💪💯
The Chin was the secret power behind the Genovese Family it was well known to only the closest people and locals in the neighborhood!!
Chin was so powerful that tough guys, hitmen, were terrified to even speak his name. He was probably one of the top 3 bosses of all time
Nobody believes Guiliani on this. Chin is well known as the boss of all bosses.
Maybe Giulianis memory isnt as great as it used to be 🤔
By now everybody who has been even a little bit interested about Chin and maybe watched videos on yt where hes mentioned knows that Chin was nro.1. As its no longer a secret.
Judging by some stories told by people who met him and talked business with him, i get the feeling he had more power than other bosses and maybe was the closest thing of being the boss of all bosses.
And yes i do know that at that time there was no such title anymore.
Then again some people say Castellano was kind of boss of all bosses but im not so sure..
What do you fellow commentators think, which one was more powerful boss, the Chin or Gotti? Just those two options and in the same era, 80's,
I know i have my opinion(thats all it is) and im saying it was Chin. No doubt in my mind.
remember, its not a popularity contest.
@@riiadejaneiro3766 the chin but Don Carlo Gambino had a huge influence as well as Tony Accardo in Chicago, big tuna was boss in Chicago from the 50s until his death 1992
@@riiadejaneiro3766 so your saying big Paul was the closest thing to ah boss of bosses? Well who took out big Paul? There's your answer
@@mikeharryhunt1709 no no no no you misunderstood.
Of course these are jusr claims ive heard.
And my speculation wasnt about Paul and Gotti, i meant the time after Big Paulie got whacked.
Im putting Chin against Gotti as a boss, which one you people think had more power, for example to give orders and make decisions?
In my opinion it was Chin.
Genovese family was considered to be the ivy league of LCN, Chin had been the boss for a long time and seemed to have some power to be okayed to make big decisions by himself.
Gotti on the other hand, eventough he wasnt weak, he was cosa nostra, but much of that was because he had Sammy backing him up. Until.
Feel free to tell me a different view, i like to think about stuff i dont have absolute knowledge from different angles.
@@FrancodeChicago absolutely. I deliberately left Carlo Gambino out of this as he was the last "official" boss of all bosses.
And im talking about bosses from certain era, after Carlo and Paul.
if he was an informant , they sure didnt give him any light sentences doesnt add up, he wasnt number 2 , he was number one
Sammy even stated that no one dared call him "The Chin" ....
I like Michael, he seems sincere
Like Bill cosby
@@varangianguard4726 ok
He’s not, same as all the mafia guys
I watched the whole thing already. Why am I still watching?! 🤣🤣
Schizophrenia was the flavor of the moment in psychological terms in the 70s. & early 80s. Sort of like how EVERY kid that had energy was suddenly ADD or ADHD over night. Actual percentage of schizophrenia in the population is less than .05%, but at the time it was the Go-to. Odds of knowing someone that actually had it was very small. Odds of knowing multiple people would be nearly impossible unless you were in the mental health field.
Its also incredibly rare that schizophrenia wouldn't be apperent in your mid twenties.
If the Rudi we see today had been the one prosecuting the Commission case not only would have he have lost the case, he would have been laughed out of court! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Rudy's alzheimer's is kicking in big time, he meant to say chinzo was THE number 1 and I was number 8 , keep popping those meds Rudolph
Does he have Alzheimer's, if he does so sad.
That was just the Chin's people protecting him! That is how loyal and secretive the Genovese Family is that is why they are the most powerful still today!!
Release the big One, you know which one we want.
Yes thank you Michael
In the immortal words of Mr T… “it takes a smart man to act dumb” 👍
Rudy doesn’t want to admit that he was out foxed by the chin. Simple
How can he be a rat when he died in prison? The man was a boss of one of the families, surely if he was cooperating he would have made a deal to get out of jail early
Interesting you put this short clip episode up on "The Chin." A week ago on The MBA and the Button Man podcast, episode #86, I put up a post about The Chin. First he had the be intelligent and extremely committed to put on that theatrical act for years while heading one of the most powerful mafia families on Earth (I suspect the Chicago Outfit and NYC Genovese were on par and the 2 most powerful in the USA). However, I ponder if the non-don-like conduct of the Chin signified the decline of Cosa Nostra USA and NOT John Gotti? It's a thought not a hard conclusion.
What I posted--or 1 of 2 that I posted--on #86 episode of The MBA and the Button Man. Last week, copied and paste:
(Contrasting and comparing is often used in "critical thinking.")
From article titled "Spotlight Starting to Dim for Deal-Maker..."
His biggest case was taking down reputed mob boss Frank Balistrieri for tax evasion.
"I remember him as being a short, extraordinarily well-dressed, extraordinarily well-groomed guy," Gimbel said. "When he looked at you, you felt like he was measuring you for the box."
Frank Gimble was speaking about his time as a prosecutor (lawyer).
Dictionary term from Oxford Languages:
"dig·ni·fied
/ˈdiɡnəˌfīd/
"adjective
"having or showing a composed or serious manner that is worthy of respect."
The song "crazy" th-cam.com/video/-N4jf6rtyuw/w-d-xo.html
If The Chin, the former chief of the legitimately mighty Genovese mafia family, were sitting beside the former chief of the Milwaukee mafia family in court, and both on trial we would hope he would not stand up and start singing that song "crazy."
It was a secret society, what the rest of the world thought of them was of no concern. People thought chins main mentor was Vito genovese but it was really highly secretive boss Phil Lombardo who no one knows anything about. I assume chin learnt this behavior from him and had to change with the times. Back in the day they had to catch u red handed, in chins time they could give u life just for being the boss.
@@mateocalderon6822, for a secret society so many "civilians" seem to have known who the bosses of every mafia family in every city of the USA.
Other mafia bosses in the USA didn't wander the streets of their city disheveled, talking to themselves. Now, I have to admit doing that was brilliant and for 30 years tool tremendous dedication! Props to the Chin for that.
On the other hand... if a don doesn't wear shorts (LOL) then a don certainly doesn't wander the streets mumbling to himself in a bathrobe. I read it as a FEAR to go to prison. Understandable. But such a fear does not give off the appearance of invincibility nor fearlessness. I spot a weak point in your armor and then army up with the FBI a gang the Chin does fear.
Hey! I DON'T blame the Chin for having had a fear of being thrown decades behind bars. Most sane people that place high value on their lives, freedom, good food, beaches, parks, and loved ones DO have a RATIONAL fear of doing decades in prison.
Anyways, equally important in all of this is that I could be very wrong about "what a don of a crime family should not do." I'm no veteran of that life. Hell... I was never an apprentice or intern of that life. I'm just a Joe Blow armchair quarterback with an impression or opinion.
Peace! ✌
@@brewcity2317 at that time every boss in nyc got 100 years just for being the boss, except for chin. I think he admitted it was a fear of going to jail and that's also the reason he never got into drugs. Him and his mentor Vito genovese got framed for a crime they didn't do and received a lengthy prison term. After that I think he decided he had to do something differently. Chin saw himself as one of the last enforcers of Cosa nostra, maybe he thought if he went to jail it would fall apart without him and that's why he thought it was so important to stay out of jail.
Rudy has lost his shit in his old age. He’s not the same guy as way back when he was the USA.
Chin fooled two court-appointed shrinks and Rudy remains embarrassed that he got fooled too, but it was eventually conclusively proven that Gigante was faking his mental condition. Mike Franzese is 100% correct. The Chin was definitely the boss of the Genovese family.
where the vid on rudy giuliana
Patrick try to get Rita Gigante on as a guest. Chins daughter. She seems like such a sweet person. She’ll tell you some stories if you want to know about Chin. She just may do it if you asked.
Why chin was not talking about mob stuff with her
I Agree with Michael.
I disagree with what rudy is saying
LMAO!!!!! Classic! Stay strong, Vincent.
Its ok C, nobody agrees with Rudy.
We know.
😂😂😂😬
Makes you wonder if Rudy was just a front guy doing the pressers….
Looks like YT has tampered with the algo. Do not get recommendations for typing clips anymore
All the comments be like Rudy got played etc , he still cleaned up the streets and sent these men underground , plus why do you respect murderers and those that poison a community.
because when its not happening to you, it seems very distant..and when things are distant and unrelatable, it can be disguised as entertainment? I don't think it's cool to have your neighborhood in fear of drug-dealing criminals who intimidate people through murder...When it really happens, it leaves people's worlds rocked. Think about how you feel every time you hear about a mass shooting..that gut punch..That's what it's like to some innocent family member every time these guys decide to make a move. It's sad. If your family member were to get killed in front of you as a result of some criminal activity, you'd be psychologically damaged...saddened and depressed..But when it happens on a tv screen or far away from you, it's easy to think of it as entertainment. The word is "desensitized"
I know nobody talks about him because he still alive (I think), but would love to hear about Anthony Casso
He died December 15 2020.
78 years old.
@@johngullo9420 Time to start talking about his story then
Maybe Rudy is now the one playing 'crazy', lol
If Persico was a rat, he was the world's worst one. He was always in prison... It is insultingly illogical.
Imagine julliani was able to take down the mafia, but could not take down the biden family.
One is bigger than the other.
Biden family is part of something much bigger than the mafia ever was.
@Kalmer Henrico oh my god, your last name is actually the county i live in..henrico county..so i'll refrain from offending you..But i get it..sometimes i sit back and wonder why this world is so crazy. Why do my people constantly join gangs, even though there's almost 60 years of evidence that shows the results? Sometimes I think these "powers" are socially engineering it through rap music, addiction to european clothes and cars, and all that stuff..So I understand it...every time I think you guys are conspiracy theorists who are thinking too much, I always go back to my own hypothesis..That's you guys' war...ya'll been duking it out since the civil war when my people were just trying to adjust to life here on this continent..so i'll let you guys do your thing..but my #1 theory on all of that conspiracy stuff is simply taxes. Why do i have to pay 50% of my taxes every year but rich people pay only 1-5%? Why does amazon get to build new factories and cities beg them to come & allow them to operate free of charge, no taxes whatsoever? just to say they got an amazon in their city...Forget all that political global power stuff..that's the real fire from the smoke. You guys are on the right track, but you still think there's a good side and a bad side
you forgot my friend the families before that, the Killer Clintons and Killer Kennedy's.
Amazing and they stole your law license Rudy we believed in you but you lost you’re not good as a leader you’re a great lawyer but we need to win the Bolsheviks are winning and we need someone who can stop them not someone who says pray or listens to the. Alta cacas ( Yiddish for old people ) i’ll call up your radio show and tell you how great you are we’re losing and it’s not even sure thing come November for the midterm elections you lost and your son lost and Trump got cheated and you didn’t do anything about it except promises that you were going to blow the door off of the left and you didn’t blow anything I’m sorry you left me crying and everybody else who believes in you we need someone who can win
Strange take considering it's pretty much common knowledge now that Chin was the top guy during that time period by all the mob experts and made guys who flipped at that time, why would guys like Franzese and Sammy Gravano lie about it? They were both high ranking mobsters at the time and have no reason to now make out the Chin was something he wasn't.
Love Michael Franzese, the dude is a real one....but this channel can't even get the "Chin's" last name right in the title...smh
Apparently Persico did in fact know Scarpa was an informant
He was playing the system lol 😂
Micheal "People ask me all the time" Franchase
Wasn't his name Gigante this channel keeps putting it as Cigante
I love Rudy but that just seemed like he was trying to deflect from prosecuting the wrong boss in the commission trial !!
Maybe spell his last name right in the title.
Rudy Giuliani just said that because they got duped into thinking fat tony was number 1. Once they were about the come out with the indictments they started hearing that they didn’t have the Genovese boss, but they wanted to save face so they just went along telling people that they got the boss.
larry mazza said that allie boy jr told him that he and his father knew about scarpa being an informant for 20 years.
So everyone is lying except Giuliani? Right. I suspect Giuliani is just embarrassed because he thought Tony Salerno was the boss and he doesn't want to admit he was duped. I saw a clip from the early 1980's where Jimmy the Weasel Fratianno said he was in a meeting with his own boss and the leadership of the Genovese family and he said it consisted of Funzi Tieri, Chin and Tony Salerno. At the time this clip was made, Chin was referred to as a Genovese soldier but if he was merely a soldier, why would Funzi Tieri and Tony Salerno have him at this meeting? All the evidence suggests that Chin was really the boss and the Genovese family was letting people outside the family think Funzi Tieri or Tony Salerno were calling the shots. Even Fratianno thought Tieri was the boss.
Rudy said the chin was number 8 😂 it’s laughable everybody in the life knows he was number 1 it’s not debatable
Giuliani sounds salty here in my opinion 😂 Michael knows the truth
I mean Larry has said junior said he knew Greg was a CI for 20 years go watch the Larry Mazza interview.
Michael doesn't care about persisco but views help a lot
Michael claims Persico didn't know about Scarpa, while Larry claims Persico knew about it for 20 some years.
PBD Whatdocallit referring to Guiliani. Lol
It ls also known fat Tony was retired living on his farm raising horses and he was getting bored and itching to get back into things so the chin said you can come back and be the boss in name only, handle certain issues with other families and collect money and Fat Tony was more than eager to oblige but the real power was the Chin and everyone in the mafia knew this
It was known that their family knows the government is watching them all the time closely! So they always play and act one way toward the government to confuse the government. That was the whole thing why Chin is acting like that. So to see Giuliani talk like this proves Chin succeeded!
First time I heard anything about Chin being anything less than the top guy. From Michael, from Sammy, from Joe Pistone, everybody said he was boss. I like Rudy, God knows he's extremely capable and highly intelligent but he's mixed up here.
You said that with respect, thanks. No need for other posts to be downgrading the person.
Rudy is not now nor ever has been anything more than this guy you see here
Rudy was screwing his cousin for years and even married her. Highly intelligent? Maybe in Kentucky.
You can smell rudy defending his ego cause he got beat
That s how you know Chin s trick really worked
gigante played the NYPD and FBI, for years. he went to hospitals and took LSD so as to fool staff that he was schitzophrenic, hearing noises, and seeing things...He was smart as could be. in fact no one could mention his name, people had to touch their chin when talking about him.
Didn't Persico and his son say that they knew about Scarpa for 20 years..
What's with the silly comic book characters in the back??
Doesn't help your show's look in my opinion.
He has a hulk too!
Rudy's brain rotted away
How doesn’t these people know that Chin’s bathrobe thing was just a rouse? It’s been common knowledge forever. How doesn’t they know that Chin was the boss? Again it’s been common knowledge forever. Giuliani has lost his marbles for sure
Rudy being charged with a RICO indictment is such poetic justice. I think there may be a god yet. 👍
Long Live The Chin
Chin never gave ANYONE confidence,no matter who you were,Castellano was petrified of Gigante,in commission meetings he would never go against Chin!!!
Chin was Thee most feared boss- PERIOD end of conversation
There actual video of the chin going out the back door to his Girlfriend apartment to visit her all night. Micheal just did a episode with Chins daughter and she also explained exactly how her dad fooled everyone
Don Gigante!! Number 8???! The Chin was the REAL power in New York at the time!!
HE WASN'T HAPPY WITH THE CLOSET RAT MOVE.
“Let me tell you a couple of 3 things”
- Phil Leotardo
grilled cheese on the radiator, tissue in his hand....what was the third....
I don’t believe it either. With how many times he was locked up there is absolutely no way. However it is weird how it’s been said that Persico knew about Scarpa being an informant the whole time and didn’t do anything. Larry Mazza said this.
I would believe Micheal over Larry , and I think larry said persico’s son knew not Persico himself
@@fineline8348 he said him and his father knew
Franzese talks about everyone being an informant but he talked to the feds too .
He talked about Scarpa who else?
Whadya know Giuliani doesn't know what he's talking about....
These two guys, Michael and the interviewer. Are the only two people that actually think Rudy is not a wack job.
Rudy was just mad he prosecuted the wrong guy!
I think this further proves Rudy lost his mind years ago. Anyone who even does cursory reading and research into the mob knows Chin Gigante was the power behind the Genoveses for a long, long time. He was the heavyweight on the Commission and extremely well-respected. Both Michael and Sammy were confused and flabbergasted at Rudy's comments because they don't reflect reality one bit. I think Rudy both lost his mind a long time ago and he's too embarrassed to admit his office got it wrong by prosecuting Salerno as the boss. He got played and outsmarted by Gigante.
Chin was the boss of bosses. A real mobster
Michael was nor a rat.A rat would be Sammy.
Blah blah blah. EVERYBODY talks I'm the mob. The word rat is hilarious. They all talk. Nobody is immune.
Lol you think he walked away from all that without giving up information you're crazy that's not the way the Feds work!!
@Del Boy Whacked like Sammy was or the million other rats?? Stop it the Mafia is a shell of what it use to be.
@Del Boy No No it was widely known Sammy was in Arizona they could of easily of killed him!! Just think they allowed Jr Gotti to be the Boss for awhile that's how bad things had become lol
@Del Boy he snitch on norby walters who got 5 years in prison. Norby walters and his lawyers won a appeal and he didn’t do any time but that is all irrelevant Michael still snitch on him and got him 5 years
If you ask me Chin was the smartest boss he put Fat Tony up as a prop to seem like he was the real boss and by doing that avoided the commission case that got all the other families bosses 100 years a piece he was the only boss on the commission that tried to retaliate against Gotti for killing big Paulie. Chin was the GOAT hands down
Turns out Rudy is as crazy as Chin pretended to be.
This is just Rudy's big ego refusing to admit he was wrong... Gigante was very well respected in that family and could have taken fat tony out of the picture in an instant... Does Rudy ever think that maybe Gigante and his guys knew where they were at was bugged and they spoke those lines on purpose to throw off the government with who was really in the family's hierarchy??? That is something Chin would definitely do. These guys know which buildings are more than likely bugged.