Sammy "The Bull" Gravano Reacts to Rudy Giuliani's Comments on Chin Cigante
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My grandfather Antonino knew Vinny the Chin from Brooklyn Drydocks Shipyard; Vinny was his friend. He helped start a union there. Grandpa said he was crazy like a fox.
Kpi
Still not sure who would pay 39.99 for this. With how active both Michael and Sammy are on TH-cam. All of their stories are just about played out at this point.
Chin naked in the shower with an umbrella in front of the feds, along with his mother might be one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a while
I’d rather go prison than do that.
That's how you know he was faking it. Even an insane person wouldn't do that!
They do that scene in the show Godfather of Harlem only the mother isn't there.
They should have known he was faking because of this.
@@chipsthedog1 so much b.s in that show had to turn it off.
It says something about how effective Chin's strategy was if the main guy responsible for prosecuting the mob thought he was an irrelevant crackpot.
Giuliani is a moron too in retrospective… he took out the mob cuz he had the whole government behind him and gotti was talking too much and thanks to a new law, the Rico act.
The fact Giuliani thought that must mean that the feds or whoever was doing the investigating must have thought the same thing, which means he really did have them fooled
@@joshpointoh yep. Italians can run circles around the average American 😁
@@kabbalah111 Guys like Michael Francis gives Giuliani credit as a great prosecutor but I guess you guys know better.
Very true
I think Sammy Gravano would know 10 times more about Chin Gigante than Rudy would know on his best day. LOL
Its obvious that Rudy was trying to save face for prosecuting the wrong guy
What’s “save face” mean ?
@@steviealvaalbany2730 Trying to save his reputation...I love Rudy, but that's what he was doing
But now its just coming off as embarrassing haha
Rudy was in on it. Rudy is in mafia pocket.
@@DD-fm7xb Rudy has never admitted to making a mistake about anything.
That’s just Rudi trying to discredit the man that made him look like a fool, the chin was to sharp couldn’t be caught on bugs or wiretaps they had nothing concrete to implicate him on the whole commission thing, that’s the one Rudi couldn’t get obviously still bothers him today
The man was so smart that even the ones hunting him down thought he wasn’t anyone major to worry about. Makes you wonder how genius the man was. Walking around talking to trees in his pajamas when the feds would drive past his block. Just truly genius stuff right there.
Truly a remarkable mind 😂😂
YET the Chin outsmarted the Government??🤔🤔🤔😂😂😂Rudy, just admit it!! You got beat by the Chin damn near to the bitter end ….. And you charged the wrong guy with being the Boss of the Genovese family
You know it all, huh?
@@Woozler554 No ... you do!
@@lowlyfesocks Compared to you. I most certainly do.
@@Woozler554 Very good. Now go out and do something with your life. 😂
@@lowlyfesocks Gee, that's so witty. Did you make that one up all by yourself?
Chin was always in character in terms of playing crazy. It takes a whole lot of effort to act like one and be a boss at the same time.
He had strong motivation to put in the effort.
Like Sammy said if ur that scared of prison don't be in the mafia. Self dignity and respect
Maby Sammy should have took that advice himself 😂
Chin was a genius. He carried out a number of plots after the death of Carlo Gambino which turned the Genovese into the strongest of the mafia families.
I think Rudy is either losing it or he’s starting his own chin act lol
Sammy's credibility is so much higher than Rudy's when it comes to explaining these mafia personalities.
In general too. Rudy’s a total clown who worked for a failed boss as counsel, got drunk on a daily basis. Nothing but a joke, the fact that he got the mob in the first place is UNTHINKABLE when you really look at the dude for who he is, clearly fell for Chin’s act too
Coming from the streets, juliani listed to alot of wiretaps, going around in a bath robe is stupid.
Yes , a mass murderer is credible? 😂🤣🤣
A rat has zero credibility
@Adamirishconundrum You're not a rat when someone is plotting to kill you behind your back, you're smart.
Patrick, if you read these. Congrats, you’ve come a long way. You used to talk more than the person you were interviewing. Now you ask and sit back and listen. Thanks.
I think he took some notes from Joe Rogan and applied that to his own podcast
Only because sammy is talking
Sammy's hard as nails but he has a sense of humor
Rudy is a fool... so disconnected. If young rudy could c this one..smh
Fat Tony was the lighting rod for the FED's , Chin was the real powerhouse of all the family's ,
All the famillies or the Genovese family?
@@stevep4236 He was the boss of bosses after Paul Castellano got taken out
Yeah... fat Tony wouldn't pass the salt and did old man capri a favour without speaking to friends
Not 100% true…
Fat Tony was Boss. He had a stroke, and retired. He couldn’t handle the retired life and missed all the action but didn’t want to be the Boss.
So…. Chin took the top-spot just like Sammy says here and cleverly still had Fat Tony handle most of the Commission stuff and a lot of the day to day.
Chin made policy and called the shots on all the Major stuff.
@@josephsierzengaIV lot of people said Fat Tony was the Front boss, and Chin was the real boss
The Chin was the most feared gangster of our time. Hands fucking down!
The Mt Rushmore of Cosa Nostra is Luciano, Don Carlo, Chin Gigante, Capone
His subordinates from the underboss to capos to made men to street associates had to point to their chin or gang sign the letter c with their hand to refer to the Chin. You couldn’t mention his name for good reason. He didn’t want his AK heard on wiretaps. This edict was enforced under Omertà the ancient penalty of death to those who broke the rule. If that’s not some nitty gritty elite LCN capo di tutti capo mafioso gangster shit then I don’t know what is
Feared bosses maybe…but as far as gangster gangster…. It was roy demeo and tommy karate pitera
I think gotti was just because he killed a boss and no other boss did nothing about it when it completely goes against the rules
U kno how gangster u have to be to kill a boss an look at the other bosses and basically say I’m taking over 😂
The Chin will always be one of the most interesting characters in mafia history. When they finally make a??movie about him, so long as it is well funded and well scripted, it will be an instant hit. No pun intended.
not much is known about him tho, not many people ratted in his family to give information about him.
It would be a hit a movie about the chin gavanty ,😁👍
It’d be hard to do a script on him.
@@ameshoward2002, Spike Lee could find a way.
@@elnur0047 not much is known about the Genovese family period. There's autobiographies on every family except that one
Chin was hella powerful, his crew was even stronger and wealthier than John Gotti's.
Gottis crew were a bunch of trucks hijackers before they killed Paul they weren't wealthy or the most powerful crew in the family.
@@chuckydall9250
Yeah, for sure if we talk about his Bergin crew but I meant the family as a whole. I should've used borgata/family instead of crew..
@@Guillermo_Carratero Ow I see what your saying my bad. Your right nobody was more powerful and respected than Chin at that time. I read that book Chin it was kind of disappointing because Chin was so careful about wire taps etc and people feared there isn't a ton of information on him.
@@chuckydall9250 The Genovese the Rolls Royce of the mafia. The Ivy League
The gambinos where only the most powerful through connections with lucusse ,and columbo ,and rhe Bruno family in Philadelphia ,they had more say on the comission ,
Hence after Carlo died , Angelo Bruno was hit ,leaving Tesla and scarfo who were more friends towards the Genovese family
Guiliani calling anyone crazy is the vary definition of irony.
Yeah call the Democrats crazy.
Lol obviously the republicans think he’s the smartest in the room, I’m sure he got his asshole lubed for when drumf and Rudy head over to sing sing and get acclimated with big bubba
Rudy was smart as hell are you crazy he bodied the whole mafia by himself lol and cleaned up all of New York in the 90s
@@caseymckenzie3951 Agreed, but the key word in your sentence is "was" .
@@manbearpig7359Now Rudy is a criminal. Latching himself up to Trump. I used to live in NYC. I remember seeing on the news with the Chin would be walking around in lower Manhattan in his robe.
The way Rudi laughs saying that at one point Chin was diagnosed paranoid schizophrenia is... quite unhuman.
That piece of 💩 Rudy has done far more crimes and is responsible for more murders than sammy the bull at least Sammy's man enough to take that responsibility
Not really, these guys did terrible inhumane things, when your job is to get them, it would be very hard to have any compassion for them knowing what they did
Why would he give a shit about a bunch of mafiosi killers? Why would anyone?
Laughing at a person who does unhuman things, is not unhuman.
@@awakentotruthmichaelsmith4698 and what came out is probably 1 tenth of what actually happened. These animals had no soul.
Man played the role to a tee. You gotta respect someone that clever and smart. Smart as a fox they used to say. He had the whole world fooled while his buddies were shaking their heads and laughing.
From what I've read and researched, Fat Tony was put there as a front boss, the chin really ran the show and no one messed with the Chin, even Gotti was scared of him.
He wasn’t scared of him lol he killed a boss for Christ sakes gotti wasn’t scared of no one he was supposed to have died just for killing a boss but they couldn’t kill him they tried but after one mess up the other families give up it kills me when I see people talk about gotti with out knowing what there talking about the only downfall gotti had was being to proud an really not fearing anything including the government
@@caseymckenzie3951 nahh bro, if you really listened to sammys stuff you would know that Gotti was puffing his chest out after the Big Paul hit cause he truly felt he HAD the resources to clean up whatever problem he had , aka sammy and his crew, Gotti himself was truly a little kid wanting to be the center of attention, sammy knew it, Frankie decicco knew it. Alot of them did. Plus sammy was the one who planned the whole Paul hit. Chin ordered Frankie decicco killed less than a year after Gotti was made boss, Decicco was Underboss at the time. Chin said you wanna play ball? Let's play ball. After that big Paul hit, Gotti reign was going downhill fast. Remember sammys story of when Gotti ordered him to kill the Chin and the Genovese had it all set up to where as soon as anyone walks in that building they were getting blasted, Gotti called Sammy off before it happened lol. To me the Chin was a true testament to Cosa Nostra. Gotti to me is the perfect example of know who you're bringing around
@@caseymckenzie3951you could not be more incorrect
@@bobbychow9925Gotti was dangerous and very smart controlled all the unions in the city
@@caseymckenzie3951I agree Gotti had the power in the city
Rudy has been reduced to doing paid shoutouts. What a colossal putz he’s become.
My favourite mob quote of all time is Chin’s ‘we dont break our captains we kill them’
U mob geeks are hilarious
PJ1989 exactly my thought😂😂😂😂🤣
Yeah great quote that 🤦🏼
Rudy just admits how much chin fooled them!! Makes Rudy look dumber lol 😂
Well if he truly fooled them then they wouldn’t kno that he did cuz he played crazy so good they actually believe it that’s kinda the whole point of fooling them
Sammy has the voice of an old.guy but you just know he would dismantle someone physically and mentally if needed
Well the fact Rudi the guy in charge of going after these guys thinks the main guy isn't leading them and is crazy despite what we know now. Just shows how effective Chin's little game was.
It shocks me that Rudy is that far off base!!
His ego won’t let him admit Chin outsmarted him
@@MrJonnyl123 exactly
I would say to Rudy ,if the chin was so low in the family ,why did the FBI go after him the way they did ,
Why did they spend so much money and time trying to prove he was faking it ,
haven't paid attention to Rudy the past few years? That would show you enough about his mental state these days.
It shouldn't, he's a lying senial baffoon, his incompetence was on full display as he lied and botched the Trump election trials.
I liked how they did subtle similarities with Chin and Junior Soprano. In season 1 Junior was the “front man boss” and Tony was the real power, but eventually they had Junior milk his mild dementia to escape conviction. However he eventually got to the point where he was walking around town in his bathrobe and knocking on the neighbor’s door asking for ice cream. They were sort of backwards, but it was obvious there was a lot of inspiration there
David chase and Marty Scorecce sure did their research when they made theses shows and movies.
Sopranos was a CLOWN show.....
Idk, Junior still had a lot of power in season 1, before the government got to him.
@@jaysantos536 Yeah ok kid.
Jay Santos I hear the movie is lousy
Everyone knows the chin was the boss. Leonetti even said they touched they chins when referring to him
Everyone except Rudy
After Paul Castellano died it was said Chin was the guy leading the Commission meetings. Because the other bosses hated Gotti. So effectively Chin was actually the “boss of bosses” for a while. Yet Giuliani thinks he was irrelevant…
Rudy also thinks Italian satellites changed vote tallies in Michigan.
I think Rudy is in denial that a mob family outwitted him.
Though could be the boss position doesn't matter in the Genovese family as they are decentralised. Explaining why their family seems to bounce back even when 'leadership' is arrested.
Kinda like how there is a king but the powerful dukes are the true power of the kingdom. So defeating the king is pointless.
*edit, spelling
I meant to type in and out of mental hospitals.
To be clear…Chin was not a long run winner. He won some battles but he lost the war.
Rudy probably just doesn't wanna own up to the fact that they and the media wrongly alleged Fat Tony as the boss of the Genovese, when it was Chin.
In my opinion, Second to Funzi Tieri being the front boss for Phil "Benny Squint" Lombardo, Chin was the best to ever be boss of the Genovese.
Very true Alex I knew Benny Lombardo his first choice was a Harlem guy Sammy black Santoro , SAMMY came down with stage 4 lung cancer and Benny ordered Tony to front for chin, Ben was brilliant we was one of 5 who lived with Charlie lucky in the Waldorf, thy were grooming Benny in the 40s to some day day the helm, he went way into the radar cause he saw what the exposure did to Lucky, he was about the rules real old world guy
@@albertyavarone2086, wow. I'd love to talk to you more and hear some stories.
Fascinating but Patrick, please post the sit- down with Michael Franzese and Sammy!
Love Sammys interviews. He's really a smart guy. In fact both Sammy and Michael are both really smart men. You don't see much of that today. But got lots of respect for both men
You have a serious problem if you respect a man who used intimidation and violence not to mention murder to obtain people's hard earned money, innocent hard working members of the public who owned shops bars clubs etc etc until people like sammy came along and took it of them, not to mention the ones sammy and his associates murdered leaving wives with no husbands and kids with no fathers, then when Sammy is faced with life in prison he does what lots of them do he decides to enter witness protection program, don't give me this absolute nonsense he was only getting back at gotti because gotti was settling sammy up thats absolute rubbish made up nonsense from sammy the rat 🐀, sammy the rat not only grassed up gotti but also 35 other crew members, so why grass up all those people if it was just gotti he had a problem with, i will tell you why its simple because the more he grassed up the less of a sentence he would get, and because sammy was facing life that meant he would need to grass up as many members as possible so as he could get out of jail as soon as possible its that simple, people like you giving these lowlife cowards respect is absolutely ridiculous and shameful it pretty much says a lot about yourself as a person.
It amazes me how the black community gets ripped for celebrating thugs but Sammy has 17 court proven bodies on his record but he is looked up too and honored today even though he is a snitch a rat. What's different.... 🤔
Anyone find it God damn hilarious when SAMMY talks about integrity 🤣😂😆
I do, yes.
At the end Adam had me in stitches 🤣 😂 😭
“little excessive” lmfaooo 💀😭😭
I love the end of the video. Sammy was so funny about his foot in Giulianis ass
Now that he’s talking about the mafia which Sammy knows well…..I think Sammy is starting to see that Rudy is OUT of his mind! Everyone and their mother knows the Chin deal at this point. He was the power in that family. Rudy…the guy who should know BETTER THAN ANYONE…is completely in crazy town about basic shit. The man is crazy. I think Sammy is starting to see that now.
Exactly
Rudy has started to lose his marbles a while ago, to be frank. I’d say it’s rather sad, the man has gone from one of the most celebrated figures in recent US history to a semi-senile drunk. He should have retired.
Jordan James - You don't know what you're talking about.
@@Woozler554 How so?
@@jordanjames2611 You take the word of a thug over a prosecutor. If you listen closely to Rudy's words, he ADMITS Chin played up his illness. But Rudy also states correctly that Chin was diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic.
Patrick uve done really well to listen to the people ur interviewing. So much better now. Ur podcast is awesome.
The Chin missed Costelo on purpose!! HE KNEW COSTELO WOULD NOT SNITCH! BOTH WON!!
Message was sent everyone went on!!
Don't be suprised if Sammy has some kind of hatred for Chin because he's the reason why Bobby Boriollo, Eddy Lino and Franky Deccico are dead. Reason for it is because of the unsactioned Paul Castellano hit...
They were hommies! The chin likes construction 🤌
I saw a video where sammy said he planned to kill Chin because of frankie
He liked the Chin. The Chin was being a good boss by retaliating for Paul. You can’t fault him for that. Gas pipe is who he hated. Gaspipe and decico came up together.
@@keydaaq1805 Yes that's true but Gotti told Sammy not to do it/shut that idea immediately.
He knew Chin had too much power and was somebody not be played around with. Even the Genovese/Luchesse Family planned to have Sammy and Gotti killed but the Feds got them first...
remember sammy took the stand and put chin in jail
5:02 my gawd I haven’t laughed lol that hard in ages
Smells like Rudy can't accept that he got played like a piano all those years.
"I mean " sometime u gotta have a lil integrity" hops in the shower with his mom and an umbrella ☂️ 🚿😂😂😂😂
That’s precious coming from the snitch
@@GgCashh451 enough with the "snitch" shit! You would snitch if you were facing life.
Multiple people testified chin was the boss. Rudy doesn't want to be wrong about the commission trial.
There's no way in hell Chin was only number 8 ...fat Tony was the boss and a powerful guy for a long time but he had lile a stroke or something and he stepped down and that's when Gigante took over
Fat tony was only a front for chin that was his insulation
@@JohnWick-gs2jw that’s a fact
Fat Tony was never a boss a solider at best
Phillip Lombardo also used this ruse and when he retired he switched front bosses to conceal chins accension to boss
I’m going to side with Sammy on this. Sammy stand down, someone somewhere get me a sit down with Rudy! This man with borderline personality will convince him! 1 Italian man to another!
Sammy reminds me of a gentleman in my church. He’s got the face, the vibe and both can be scary when angry
Guiliani is losing it
The traitor lost it a long time ago. America's mayor my ass.
He already lost it, the past few years clearly showed that.
@@sbc383zz a shame. I used to look up to him
When every mobster thats ever really being at the height of the mafia always say chin was a power house boss just shows the calibre of the man
I have studied the chin and Fat Tony, he was called the oddfather but he was the real street godfather and didn't go to jail for years they couldn't get him and Rudy is pissed great again Patrick and your crew 💯
I’m glad you’ve studied him . Salute
This show and storytelling is extremely amazing!!!!!! I can’t stop watching
I gotta take Sammy´s and Michael´s word on this, given their high ranking positions in the Gambino and Colombo families, they obviously knew who the bosses of other families were, and they have no reason to lie about this.
Well, Sammy hates Rudy so he would've a reason I guess.
Rudy Giuliani will forever be an American Hero but for the sake of his legacy someone needs to take either the camera or the bottle away from the man.
Well, add The Chin to the list of things Rudy doesn't know anything about.
sammy the bull telling chin gigante to have some integrity lmfao
Rudy talking out of his ass? Well how about that. 😂
If you watch Godfather of Harlem Chin was played perfectly😂😂
Chin and Carlo gambino were consistent…. If you didn’t break the rules you lived if you broke the rules you didn’t
Think Rudy’s losing it
I KNOW 100% CHIN AND COSTELO HAD AN INVISIBLE UNDERSTANDING!!!!
CHIN HAD TOO MUCH RESPECT AND COTELO WANTED OUT ANYWAYS
The chin was one of the smartest bosses of all time.
His subordinates from the underboss to capos to made men to street associates had to point to their chin or gang sign the letter c with their hand to refer to the Chin. You couldn’t mention his name for good reason. He didn’t want his AK heard on wiretaps. This edict was enforced under Omertà the ancient penalty of death to those who broke the rule. If that’s not some nitty gritty elite LCN capo di tutti capo mafioso gangster shit then I don’t know what is
Oh, Rudy! Chin was the unofficial "capo di tutti capi," or boss of all bosses! And Sammy's speaking of Benny 'Squint' Lombardo, a very elusive Genovese boss!
His subordinates from the underboss to capos to made men to street associates had to point to their chin or gang sign the letter c with their hand to refer to the Chin. You couldn’t mention his name for good reason. He didn’t want his AK heard on wiretaps. This edict was enforced under Omertà the ancient penalty of death to those who broke the rule. If that’s not some nitty gritty elite LCN capo di tutti capo mafioso gangster shit then I don’t know what is
Right
you cant wear a freaking a suit and have grown man action figure in the back round looks tacky
This is the guy that Bumpy Johnson would partner up with then they would go to war then partner up again on The Godfather of Harlem, he's crazy on the show too.
Damn drop the sit down lol beggin ya
Sammy passing judgement on someone else’s integrity is hilarious LOL
😂
Good catch at first I kinda agreed with him but your right who is he to judge when he told on every friend he had
Sammy and Rudy sit down would be great entertainment. 🔥 🤜🏼 🤛🏼 🇮🇹 🇺🇸
It’s good seeing this side of him.
He wasn’t naked in the bathtub with the umbrella. I’ve heard the agents interview many times and he said that he was fully clothed with an umbrella.
Chin was crazy like a Fox. I believe Chin was the power. Numero uno. Rudy sounds like he’s naive.
Patrick is the Lucky Luciano we all need
What
Chin played the crackpot so well Guilliana swallowed it hook line and sinker.
Gigante was known to be tremendously intelligent and vicious as Gravano elaborated, and his dedicated mental patient act did indeed keep him out of jail for a long, long time, even after he was indicted in 1990. Still, if the FBI wants you, they're going to get you and they eventually got him, but not before Gigante built the Genovese family to be the biggest and strongest crime family in New York and possibly in all of North America. The Genovese family ran like clockwork with no real informants which is why they remained so strong under Gigante's leadership, and also why a lot of history of the family is lost to the public because his guys didn't talk. Not only that, Gigante was apparently a beloved boss because he ran things competently and made money for everyone. He's a very interesting and compelling figure.
Chin is the G.O.A.T
Sammy wants respect he doesn’t deserve
I don't know why they don't make a major TV show about 1980s New York mafia. Amuso/Casso, Gotti/Gravano, Fat Tony/Chin...so many interesting characters and crews.
Gulianni In The 80s Had So Much Going On, The Commission Case Was His Super Claim To Fame, Joe Bonanno Before That, Gulianni Could NEVER Get Chin !!!! Then He Run"s For Mayor, Lost To Dinkin"s, & Run"s Again & Win"s & Now He"s Mayor & Government Get"s Sammy To Flip !!!!... Sammy & Mike Franzese Said Exactly The Same About Chin & Even When Gotti Moved From Ozone Park To Up The Hill On Houston On Mulberry From Chin In Neil"s Ravenite, Most People InN.Y.C. Knew Chin Was The REAL BOSS !!!! Gulianni Had A lot Going On, Including A Huge EGO & Never Got Chin On His Watch !!!!.. So He Talk"s B.S...
All these mobsters were terrified of Rudy Giuliani.
And ruby was scared of being covered in maple syrup in licked
Rudy is clearly drunk
I mean Rudy literally had a press conference at Four Seasons Total Landscaping so do I need to say more?
What do expect from trumps lawyer????
Chin was the boss ,rudy is a lier ,he is just embarrassed he couldn't get him
Yes it is the one where he said he went for a walk
Rudy can’t just admit that The Chin was the one that got away and had him convict the wrong guy in fat Tony when it was The chin running the show the whole time.
Even goes further, he got into a fight with the Brooklyn office and they got the ruling instead of gulliani, it's all ego
Imagine your parents naming you giant chin
Everyone knows the chin was the most powerful and dangerous guy in New York for years.
I love how the chin goes he only goes out at night when the squares ain’t watching
And he held every family to the rules.
Moral of story never trust Mafia , Gangster or prosecutor . 🙊
patrick when the hell is this sitdown with bull and mic on you advertised it fews ago now?
I really like the Chin character in the Godfather of Harlem, even though they paint him as the bad guy they also show he has smarts
Why these guys wearing suits for a podcast??
Just when you think Rudy's credibility couldn't sink any lower, he comes out with that absolute nonsense, in a desperate attempt to discredit the fact that he was fooled by the Genovese's.
2:18 the look on PBD face says he doesnt believe what giuliani is saying at aaaalllll
Sammy is all about that Thug Life
I swear I heard Sammy say he met Crazy Chin a couple of times in another video? Yet here he says that he's met him dozens of times!
Thx Sammy, you said it
The only thing I gotta question about Chin was, he went to all that elaborate trouble to avoid trial and jail. But then would travel around at night freely to certain social clubs and to visit his girlfriends apartment thinking cops didn’t do surveillance at night!!! He was caught in photos walking and acting normally..not wearing robes and with a helper!
Ultimately, it was Sammy’s testimony that buried him. As other mob informants like Philip Leonetti only had 2nd hand information about killings Chin apparently ordered. Whereas Sammy sat with him face to face in several meetings discussing mob business!