hahaha honestly I've been saying that for years having had P38 range rover which has a very similar system sometimes just modern wifi and phone signals were enough to freak the system out
@@Juntasification You can disable the immobiliser yourself. There is a device called a Simtek which sends a fake 5AS signal and you can code it in with pscan. There is a video showing it here th-cam.com/video/qAasYUgMtQo/w-d-xo.html
All hail to men in anoraks for they will save the world! If the country was run by men in jumpers and anoraks rather than the idiots in suits and ties we might be saved. I wonder how many cabinet ministers have an engineering degree, HND or apprenticeship?
The advice to repair not replace is so apt. I repaired a volvo in a similar way, stubbonly ignoring the random 'end of the world' messages on the dash. It was mechanically sound but electronically in need of a reboot and clean up. 2 years later... Happy days.
I remember when i was at school in the 90s and come across the vi model and thinking that'll be quick but never seen or heard of them again, these must of went under alot of radars.
Bloomin clever this. Really bloomin clever. I've messed around trying to interface to prehistoric ecus like these and they're a nightmare. Hugely needed for modern classics
Iv had my p scan tool for just over a year ago now. it’s Worth every penny it works perfect for my mini mpi and mgf. and with this tool it’s constantly developing updated
What a great service. I bet hearing that central locking work as well as the beeping stopping made you a very happy man. Hope the engine proves as co-operative
That is very true about cars being scrapped for immobiliser problems, that's what happened to my 2004 Vauxhall Combo van a few months ago. In fact I have wondered if immobilisers were introduced for that very reason, more cars scrapped, more new replacement cars sold.
The PScan box was the best piece of kit I’ve bought for my MGRs; it paid for itself on the first use when I diagnosed a fault that I could then fix myself rather than have to get the codes read by an ex-MGR dealer. Plus it can reset the oil service interval on a Chinese TF.
Good to see this. Informative for those who simply don't know what's available. Pscan impressive. With loads of MGs and Rovers in the family and friends' fleets, ten years ago I bought a T300 Programmer. Cost over a hundred quid but, it works on a whole range of other cars not just Rovers and MGs. Lost count of those Remote Fobs I've programmed for our cars ~ some have three working fobs now with the Family MG ZS runabout as we all use that car. By the way. That well known Sod's Law ~ if you only have ONE remote fob, get another sharpish as if you lose one ...you are carless until its fixed. Nephew bought an MGTF recently and the previous owner had lost one of the fobs. Soon after now has two. The T300 has paid for itself many times over with the range of facilities and programmes it can do on cars. Often saving a nice few quid too.
What a great system and well done to Philip for devising such a device to do this. VIDA is a lifesaver for us Volvo owners, and like you say these cars are older and the electrics will be there demise.
Keep that security code in a safe place! I wonder if this Rover needs an engine rebuild? Well, staying tuned, and congrats on the small but important step to getting the immobilizer working properly!
@@furiousdriving That is very good news! I saw when you emptied the sump, and used the digital scope at the bottom end of the engine. I just hope a good headgasket and the cylinder head does not need to be skimmed.
I heard about Pscan years ago when I had my MGF and was looking for things to do on it. Eventually, I sold the car. Next time I have a Rover, I will be definitely buying this. Getting that sorted was really worth getting the champagne out!
EKA (emergency key access) is a temporary override incase of RF lockout, flat fob batteries etc. To resynch a fob you should only need to discharge the fob & then press unlock 5 times. Thats it. If it doesn't work beyond that then you have a problem (duff fob, alarm ecu fault, RF lockout etc). They're actually quite simple & robust.
A brilliant find for you Matt and a weight off your shoulders now you have mobilised the 200. Philip is one of those genius blokes you meet occasionally and just marvel at their knowledge. He should be a multi millionaire though if he's helping people with broken Land Rovers 😂
What a clever gadget and an even more clever guy Philip is 😁 definitely a red letter day Matt and yeah can’t wait to see your next triumph or failure 😂, such is the life of a classic car restorer’s Lott 👌🏻😉.
In a Rover specialist I had a summer job at years we used to deal with the immobiliser issues daily but we had a tool that could reprogram them it wasn't Testbook but somehow it used to be able to do all Rovers and Land Rover from 90s and 00s
At least you're now de-mobilized thanks to Phillip !... Now looking forward to you stripping down that K Series engine and redoing the head gasket as well as sorting anything else that might be wrong !... Good Luck ! 👍
Great to see this Matt, now before you go much further put the sump plug back in and fill the engine up with a gallon and a half of diesel and let it sit for a day or two,then take the plugs out and wind it over until the oil light goes out repeat this several times and leave it to sit for another day or so and then drain out all the remaining effluent! Leave the sump plug out until its stoped dripping totally,then you can fill with cheep 10/40 semi and start the beast up,best to make certain that The cooling system is drained before you start it up good luck.
Good question Matt the only thing that might be hurt is the head gasket sealing rubbers but its shot anyway so no loss there and it's the best way of cleaning out any remaining gunk, and cheaper than any flush on the market.
like you i wish i'd known about this device a few years ago .. i had a freelander 1.8 , i dealt with the mechanical issues , could deal with the rust but ecu / keyfob / immobiliser issues sent it to the scrapyard
Start on the top end, that way anything that accidentally gets spilt down the oil ways when removing the head can be cleaned out when you do the bottom end. That is unless you disturb the liners when you remove the head.
Great work! I have been saying for years that it is the electronics that will kill modern cars before their time. Unless, that is, it is a car with sufficient after market support. That is one thing with your Volvo 740 and my 240. Great aftermarket support. Also, if worst comes to worst, the Red Block can be taken back all the way to points and condenser ignition an a single side draught Zenith or SU carburetor. Just need parts for a European or Canadian market 240 DL up to 83.
red block with points in my 19' boat,140 or 150 horses,the thing flies; 25 or 30 yo, looks and runs NEW (but ONLY because,being a mechanic,i CLEAN (ROD) the big red interchanger AND the small oil cooler every 5 years..............................) (otherwise,it would be dead from overheating already,like most....................)
Standard procedure when buying an old car. Replace locking wheel nuts with standard nuts, remove alarm, immobiliser and any aftermarket electronics fitted.
Wondeful - and for chaps like Phil and pscan. Maybe cars cos already do this and it's a doddle with canbus - but maybe details / protocols should be made public a few years after any model goes out of production.
Did he replace or repair the fobs, or take the batteries out and back in or anything? Pressing the lock button 4-6 times is just the re-sync procedure and can be done without the use of diagnostics. Looks a good bit of software and interface though.
My step dad used to have a P-reg bubble rover in burgundy. Still remember the reg about 20years later, P908FKN, check the mot and you'll see it was in much worse condition than this, think he had access to a dodgy MOT guy
*Immobilarizer* Another one for the "Matt-isms" dictionary. I dig it, sounds like some thing-a-majig from a gi joe cartoon. Kidding aside, good work as usual, your channel always deliver.
I am curious to know whether it is the data in the transponder of the key-fob that is overwritten, or is the change made to the data in the immobiliser electronic unit in the car. Did Philip explain that?
It has to be an older Freelander. Upto about year 2000 the Freelander immo could drive MG Rover ECU inputs. From 2001 on or so they went to the BMW immo system (like Rover 75) and these are not compatible.
Strange that the immo even needs the battery to work in the keyfob. The transponder usually doesnt need power, its for the remote key. Providing the keys are paired with the car.
Modern ones have a 'blind' transponder in the key that is recognised by the ring around the ignition,, but this old system has a basic old fashioned blade key and the immobiliser is all on the remote fob
@@furiousdriving Ok so it's basically a factory fitted after market alarm? Reminds me of a car in my childhood that beeped every morning when a lorry from the next cluster of houses drove by.
I am the type of guy who loathes seeing old cars go, when they only need a small tweak just to keep going. Instead of compressing them into a cube of junk - why not try something like this? I have wondered myself as well; I got one factory (presumably) key with a button for central locking, and another one that has a chip to work with the immobilizer, no remote unlocks. . . do I need to harbor a healthy level of paranoia for my immobilizer as well? Would absolutely be in a pickle if one day the system would prevent me from driving the one true junky sh*tbox I love. Love seeing the 200 VI now one step closer to being back on the road!
@@furiousdriving Standard OBD will only communicate with the engine ECU, and on many of the diesel 75s it won't communicate with the car at all. pscan will do way, way more on a Rover 75 (all the engines, ABS, airbags, body controller etc) than OBD.
I'm so glad Philip has the voice of a man that knows his way round rovers. Nitrosilvia has it as well
🤣😉
The ability to create these devices also requires reactorlite lenses….
What a man 👏👏 i'm a vag guy and he has effectively created vag-tacho for Rovers. Amazing result 🥳
Rover immobilisers…. So secure not even the owner with a key can start the thing! What a helpful man.
hahaha honestly I've been saying that for years having had P38 range rover which has a very similar system sometimes just modern wifi and phone signals were enough to freak the system out
Yes, one of the reasons I would rather have a Morris Minor than any modern car.
Phillip is a genius!, what a great device he's created. He's single handedly saved many, many Rovers with that thing. Fantastic.
Absolutely despise working on immobilisers, so great work 👍
If possible, I pay someone to disable them. Because with these late 90's yearly 2000s, it´ll be never ending.
oh hey fancy seeing you here, new video when? :D
Cool Car
@@Juntasification You can disable the immobiliser yourself. There is a device called a Simtek which sends a fake 5AS signal and you can code it in with pscan. There is a video showing it here th-cam.com/video/qAasYUgMtQo/w-d-xo.html
Genius. Wish this guy all the best with his pscan endeavours
If I see a serious-looking man wearing photochromic lenses, I *know* this will be top-quality, useful information.
Or you are talking to an early 80's Geography teacher.
@@terrortorn If said person is also wearing a corduroy jacket with leather elbow-patches, certainly.
All hail to men in anoraks for they will save the world! If the country was run by men in jumpers and anoraks rather than the idiots in suits and ties we might be saved. I wonder how many cabinet ministers have an engineering degree, HND or apprenticeship?
The advice to repair not replace is so apt. I repaired a volvo in a similar way, stubbonly ignoring the random 'end of the world' messages on the dash. It was mechanically sound but electronically in need of a reboot and clean up. 2 years later... Happy days.
Brilliant, and being a Volvo once thats sorted out will go on forever!
Wow, that was an impressive fix. Good find Matt. and great work Phillip.
I am so relived thats done now!
What a brilliant diagnosis & fix system. I didn't know those Rovers had so much tech in them, the 4 digit code was also a great idea
Kudos to Phillip - that’s quite impressive. Good point made about electronics killing future classics.
That fella is very humble for someone clearly a genius
The fella with the tea ain’t bad either !
Amazing piece of kit, so glad to see the immobiliser works again!
Just checked out their website and they do one for the Range Rover P38 with the GEMS V8. Happy days. Thanks Matt 🍻
Brilliant, its great how many cars this will cover
What a tonic to see this fixed! Top work Philip and great work Matt for giving him wider exposure! Rovers forever!!
I remember when i was at school in the 90s and come across the vi model and thinking that'll be quick but never seen or heard of them again, these must of went under alot of radars.
Bloomin clever this. Really bloomin clever. I've messed around trying to interface to prehistoric ecus like these and they're a nightmare. Hugely needed for modern classics
Iv had my p scan tool for just over a year ago now. it’s Worth every penny it works perfect for my mini mpi and mgf. and with this tool it’s constantly developing updated
What a great service. I bet hearing that central locking work as well as the beeping stopping made you a very happy man. Hope the engine proves as co-operative
That is very true about cars being scrapped for immobiliser problems, that's what happened to my 2004 Vauxhall Combo van a few months ago. In fact I have wondered if immobilisers were introduced for that very reason, more cars scrapped, more new replacement cars sold.
Great result. I can see Matt's mood lift as the video progresses 👍
Looking forward to you getting into the guts of that VVC engine. It was the core of what made the Vi's so brilliant!
Great find, Matt!
If it wasn't for guys like Philip, we would be seeing more cars like this scrapped. Can't wait for the next installment 👍🏻👌🏻
The PScan box was the best piece of kit I’ve bought for my MGRs; it paid for itself on the first use when I diagnosed a fault that I could then fix myself rather than have to get the codes read by an ex-MGR dealer. Plus it can reset the oil service interval on a Chinese TF.
Good to see this. Informative for those who simply don't know what's available. Pscan impressive.
With loads of MGs and Rovers in the family and friends' fleets, ten years ago I bought a T300 Programmer. Cost over a hundred quid but, it works on a whole range of other cars not just Rovers and MGs. Lost count of those Remote Fobs I've programmed for our cars ~ some have three working fobs now with the Family MG ZS runabout as we all use that car.
By the way. That well known Sod's Law ~ if you only have ONE remote fob, get another sharpish as if you lose one ...you are carless until its fixed.
Nephew bought an MGTF recently and the previous owner had lost one of the fobs. Soon after now has two. The T300 has paid for itself many times over with the range of facilities and programmes it can do on cars. Often saving a nice few quid too.
Clearly you are delirious with excitement !! Super pleased to see you have it sorted !!
Fabulous. What a tremendous relief for you. It's a great little car and I will be fascinated to see how it turns out. 😊👍✔
What a great system and well done to Philip for devising such a device to do this. VIDA is a lifesaver for us Volvo owners, and like you say these cars are older and the electrics will be there demise.
Ive not come across VIDA, but then mine is pre ECU thankfully!
Thank goodness for techies
Keep that security code in a safe place! I wonder if this Rover needs an engine rebuild?
Well, staying tuned, and congrats on the small but important step to getting the immobilizer working properly!
Based on the way it drove off the truck, and then restarted before the immobiliser locked, I dont think it needs more than the head and gasket
@@furiousdriving That is very good news!
I saw when you emptied the sump, and used the digital scope at the bottom end of the engine. I just hope a good headgasket and the cylinder head does not need to be skimmed.
I heard about Pscan years ago when I had my MGF and was looking for things to do on it. Eventually, I sold the car.
Next time I have a Rover, I will be definitely buying this.
Getting that sorted was really worth getting the champagne out!
EKA (emergency key access) is a temporary override incase of RF lockout, flat fob batteries etc. To resynch a fob you should only need to discharge the fob & then press unlock 5 times. Thats it. If it doesn't work beyond that then you have a problem (duff fob, alarm ecu fault, RF lockout etc). They're actually quite simple & robust.
Amazing piece of diagnostic software
Very clever chap, great news just need the head sorted now, good luck Matt.
A brilliant find for you Matt and a weight off your shoulders now you have mobilised the 200.
Philip is one of those genius blokes you meet occasionally and just marvel at their knowledge.
He should be a multi millionaire though if he's helping people with broken Land Rovers 😂
What a clever gadget and an even more clever guy Philip is 😁 definitely a red letter day Matt and yeah can’t wait to see your next triumph or failure 😂, such is the life of a classic car restorer’s Lott 👌🏻😉.
In a Rover specialist I had a summer job at years we used to deal with the immobiliser issues daily but we had a tool that could reprogram them it wasn't Testbook but somehow it used to be able to do all Rovers and Land Rover from 90s and 00s
Brilliant 🤩 guess what I’m getting ASAP . Cher’s pal for sharing
Now Philip is a man I can trust!
Great stuff very informative I have a Rover & MGF I feel a bit happier now if I have these sorts of problems 👍
It's nice to see sombody dedicated to a car no longer made and a company that no longer exists
At least you're now de-mobilized thanks to Phillip !... Now looking forward to you stripping down that K Series engine and redoing the head gasket as well as sorting anything else that might be wrong !... Good Luck ! 👍
What a easy fix and well done to Phil, might have to look at Pscan to see if they do anything for the 75.
6:57 GOOD BRAVO 😎
Great to see this Matt, now before you go much further put the sump plug back in and fill the engine up with a gallon and a half of diesel and let it sit for a day or two,then take the plugs out and wind it over until the oil light goes out repeat this several times and leave it to sit for another day or so and then drain out all the remaining effluent! Leave the sump plug out until its stoped dripping totally,then you can fill with cheep 10/40 semi and start the beast up,best to make certain that The cooling system is drained before you start it up good luck.
Not that I doubt this works but is it as good as the latest dedicated flushes, and isn't there a risk it could chemically damage anything ?
Good question Matt the only thing that might be hurt is the head gasket sealing rubbers but its shot anyway so no loss there and it's the best way of cleaning out any remaining gunk, and cheaper than any flush on the market.
like you i wish i'd known about this device a few years ago .. i had a freelander 1.8 , i dealt with the mechanical issues , could deal with the rust but ecu / keyfob / immobiliser issues sent it to the scrapyard
I think you’ve found your new best friend!
Cheers!
Thanks for the information, I now have one on order from Philip.
I told you that you needed PScan, didn't think that you'd actually get Philip too :-) He's a top guy, he has helped me out many times.
The full package! I couldnt reveal I knew what was coming!
Start on the top end, that way anything that accidentally gets spilt down the oil ways when removing the head can be cleaned out when you do the bottom end.
That is unless you disturb the liners when you remove the head.
Fantastic stuff! Electronically, my P38 is pretty good, but I'm sure it won't stay that way! I need to get one of these
Well done that man!
Clever guy.
Nice one! 👍🏻
Great work! I have been saying for years that it is the electronics that will kill modern cars before their time. Unless, that is, it is a car with sufficient after market support. That is one thing with your Volvo 740 and my 240. Great aftermarket support. Also, if worst comes to worst, the Red Block can be taken back all the way to points and condenser ignition an a single side draught Zenith or SU carburetor. Just need parts for a European or Canadian market 240 DL up to 83.
red block with points in my 19' boat,140 or 150 horses,the thing flies; 25 or 30 yo, looks and runs NEW
(but ONLY because,being a mechanic,i CLEAN (ROD) the big red interchanger AND the small oil cooler every 5 years..............................)
(otherwise,it would be dead from overheating already,like most....................)
so enthusiastic , love it !
Standard procedure when buying an old car. Replace locking wheel nuts with standard nuts, remove alarm, immobiliser and any aftermarket electronics fitted.
Result!! Great stuff
Good morning brother
Great news Matt
Wondeful - and for chaps like Phil and pscan. Maybe cars cos already do this and it's a doddle with canbus - but maybe details / protocols should be made public a few years after any model goes out of production.
Did he replace or repair the fobs, or take the batteries out and back in or anything?
Pressing the lock button 4-6 times is just the re-sync procedure and can be done without the use of diagnostics. Looks a good bit of software and interface though.
Nice one Philip top bloke Matty 👍
My step dad used to have a P-reg bubble rover in burgundy. Still remember the reg about 20years later, P908FKN, check the mot and you'll see it was in much worse condition than this, think he had access to a dodgy MOT guy
*Immobilarizer*
Another one for the "Matt-isms" dictionary. I dig it, sounds like some thing-a-majig from a gi joe cartoon.
Kidding aside, good work as usual, your channel always deliver.
Immobileriser?
I think you might be using the American spelling.
I'm not liking 'deimmobilised' though.
Surely it should be 'mobilerised'
Great video. Love those cars but can’t remember the last time I saw one on the road. Sad face.
Great vid, But Phil has to be the hero in this story, they are a rare breed auto electrics car owners nightmare.
He really is
Still worth fitting a cut out switch in case some toe rag gets hold of the keyfob.
I don't think toe rags go for old rovers.
@@benholroyd5221 Parts
@@marklittler784 what's the value of parts on this v a car that isn't 20 years old?
@@benholroyd5221 There's no age limit on stolen cars.
@@marklittler784 I'm not saying there is. I'm just saying I can't see them going for this, just like I can't see them going for a beige Montego.
A fantastic remedy!
Five Star episode Matt!
Thanks!
What a geezer! Can't wait to hear it run. Or is that jinxing it again? Hope not.
Have you got the vvc cam locking tool
Top boy Phillip!
I am curious to know whether it is the data in the transponder of the key-fob that is overwritten, or is the change made to the data in the immobiliser electronic unit in the car. Did Philip explain that?
On these older 5AS units the fob is just a transmitter. So it is the ECU in the car that it changed to match what the fobs are transmitting.
Also I only have one key fob, I could do with two key fobs... please let me know if you can advise me..
Theres some amazing Tea-Shelfery going off. 1:03 - 1:05
Given your Rover history I sense a new best friend!
But did you find / explain why the system stopped working ?
thank. good video
Great skills 👍
That thing's face has more than a touch of the weird sad eyes of Hubnut's Australian Ford thing.
excellent vid.
Off to find vvc engine then Freelander chassis
It has to be an older Freelander. Upto about year 2000 the Freelander immo could drive MG Rover ECU inputs. From 2001 on or so they went to the BMW immo system (like Rover 75) and these are not compatible.
Thank you really interesting and useful
Hi.mate when u getting the p6 2 Star up did u get he full prbum
I dont know, this is real time problem solving
Took a 1.8 soldi cam from my rover 45 and put it in my 1983 austin mini metro. I néed the ecu de immobilized.
You need one of these!
I could do with help replacing all barrels and keys on a rover 200 brm if you can help advise me please let me know...
Genius there's some clever people about / wish I was 😆👍👌👏
Are you going to change the oil and see if it will start or are you going to just do the head gasket and hope it runs well?
Undecided. Might run it with sone flush before I start, so its cleaner when the repaired head goes back
Strange that the immo even needs the battery to work in the keyfob. The transponder usually doesnt need power, its for the remote key. Providing the keys are paired with the car.
Modern ones have a 'blind' transponder in the key that is recognised by the ring around the ignition,, but this old system has a basic old fashioned blade key and the immobiliser is all on the remote fob
@@furiousdriving Ok so it's basically a factory fitted after market alarm? Reminds me of a car in my childhood that beeped every morning when a lorry from the next cluster of houses drove by.
Wonder why we don't have key fobs to open our front doors, saves a trip opening it then doing the fandango with shopping bags.
Don't tell anyone about your genius idea
No thanks - it’s bad enough having useless tech to start cars. I’ll stick to my reliable keys thanks!
@@simonhodgetts6530 You'll be using a starting handle on your car next.
Ive tried opening the house with the car fob many times, never seems to work though
I often wonder why houses don't have central locking. Maybe even an immobiliser so they can't be stolen either. :-)
I am the type of guy who loathes seeing old cars go, when they only need a small tweak just to keep going.
Instead of compressing them into a cube of junk - why not try something like this?
I have wondered myself as well; I got one factory (presumably) key with a button for central locking, and another one that has a chip to work with the immobilizer, no remote unlocks. . . do I need to harbor a healthy level of paranoia for my immobilizer as well? Would absolutely be in a pickle if one day the system would prevent me from driving the one true junky sh*tbox I love.
Love seeing the 200 VI now one step closer to being back on the road!
With this you can code a new key and be saved if the original one dies on you
I wish this had been available when I had my 800. If the immobiliser hadn't gone haywire I would still have it 😢
Out of curiosity, if you wanted to use a modern looking key fob, could this be done?
I dont think so, unless you could make one with the buttons in precisely the same spot
@@furiousdriving I guess on that basis you could take the internals out and make a custom one 🤔
Is the pscan good for Rover 75 Matt?
No, that’s new enough to use standard OBD
Yes it looks like Pscan will interrogate most of the main ECU’s in 75
@@furiousdriving Standard OBD will only communicate with the engine ECU, and on many of the diesel 75s it won't communicate with the car at all. pscan will do way, way more on a Rover 75 (all the engines, ABS, airbags, body controller etc) than OBD.
Does this pscan work on Honda powered R8s? The site is not helpful. Love the video as always.
If they have the MEMS ECU - you need to find out what your car is running
@@furiousdriving The Honda powered cars had Honda electronics. I would like to get this working with pscan but at the moment it isn't supported.
Will they be at the NEC?
Not that Im aware
I prefer to do MG Rover meets. It can be difficult to find the time though.
British boffin to the rescue.
Very impressive. If I ran rovers I would certainly buy a pscan . Did you purchase one ? . Thanks for the video
Not yet, I should have there and then now I think about it
Boffins.. where would we be without them
change key fob battery.press unlock 8 times and in will resync.
9 yrs rover dealership