There's a bit in the book cadian honour that I think you could do a video on. A praetorian insults the cadians and gets punched by a cadian general at the start
Honestly i wouldn't call what the medics did heartless, as that one medic said: they were cut off from supply lines, had to use what was available to them, and it could be used to save the lives of others who would otherwise die without it
Honestly yea in situations like this you got to make do with what you got better to take blood that was gonna go to waste anyways then leave it and let another soldier die of blood loss
PDF: “Fair enough but what next are you gonna cut up them up and eat them too at what point do you lose you’re humanity and become more like the Ad Mech?”
@@Channel-23sKrieg: "When I stop breathing just like these servants of the Emperor. When that happens feel free to take whatever I hav left if it can save you or another who is still breathing too."
Kriegsmen are the best choice when you need to succeed and space marines aren't an option, they understand how brutal war can be, they know that sacrifices must be done to win, they are capable of doing them and they don't waste them
@@AlphagonOmegariusDoes the imperium really care about collateral damage? Since high collateral damage doesn’t mean you aren’t efficient, It means you aren’t fighting precision warfare.
@@ITCCC_V2 they're inefficient even for imperium's standars, they even get assigned special commisars so they don't waste that many human lives! XD. Don't get me wrong, i love these dudes, i like their over-eagerness to bring absoulte destruction over both themselves and the enemy, but they're NOT efficient by any standars (not even imperial)
@@ITCCC_V2 "does the Imperium care about collateral damage" you watching memes or something? Such damages can be beyond repair and will struggle in the long run and a lot of Inquisitors would say so.
I’d put the sisters of battle or the Catachan jungle fighters above the krieg in some situations, but for brutal, grinding attrition and siege warfare the krieg are supreme
the soldier is lucky he got that many words out of a krieger, he must have been a very compassionate one to actually explain what he was doing. i like how he phrased it though, so the guy couldnt refuse by bringing up his loyalty.
It’s kinda funny that the PDF soldier has a problem with drawing blood from a corpse but they’ve likely worked alongside servitors their entire life. After all a servitor was a thinking human being once.
Well, he did say PDF (planet defense force) and not properly trained militarum so training and rules may very especially between a relatively peaceful world and one that fought a 500 year Civil War with only resources from the planet and not the wider Empire.
Guardsman: the body is only sacred while a soul reside in it *lights a cigarette and blows out a cloud of smoke* their souls are with the empero now, that in the ground is just meat and blood.
I have great respect for the dead and hope to join them very soon. But until i do, these particular dead can serve the emperors will one last time. Which i am even more enthusiastic about than dying
It kind of goes beyond something you’re willing to die for. If you can’t succeed while you’re alive, your dead body can at least help someone else finish what you started
@@Proditum-dt4vz No, your corpse would be looking like a lump of pulled pork covered in hot sauce with absolutely no ability to smile because it is dead af.
That was my first instinct, cuz 40k, but they're probably taking it to use for transfusions, so a little more practical and a little less grimdark for the sake of grimdark.
To expand on it a little - PDF are effectively reserves. Since every planet tithes Guardsmen, those who didn't make the cut stay behind. It varies world to world, some PDF are pretty well trained and equipped, almost guardsmen themselves, others are little more than militias and volunteers. PDF are typically less experienced and less prepared than the active regiments of the guard.
@@ambion19 A few planets even have PDF forces that are far better trained and equipped then the imperial guard, a few rare ones even having access to power armor and gene editing, not as good as space marines but still super soldiers compared to a guardsman, but obviously planets with reserve troops like that are exceedingly rare.
Fun fact: Draining the blood from a dead body can actually slow the rate of decay. So technically those kriegsmen medics were indirectly helping preserve the fallen soldiers.
@@246vili Which doesn't happen as often as memes love to depict.. The Imperium has regular friggin food for it's armies (what the hell are all the agri-worlds for otherwise..) Corpse-starch is another one of those last resort things. Unless you're a skitarii. .
@@septimus7524 Very true. But then again, if you're fighting the enemy while cut off from reinforcements and supplies for a long time, "last resort things" can eventually become a necessity.
@@246vili fair enough. In brutal battles and seiges where supplies are scarce/cut off cannibalism isn't unheard of. Russians and German troops were recorded to resort to cannibalism in the worst days for each side during the battle of Stalingrad.
@@246vili Yeah that's fair, truly desperate times call for the most desperate measures However I'd argue something like straight up cannibalism really requires some EXTREME extremes. I know at least I personally would starve to death before even thinking about eating human flesh. Could just be my own personal bias though, as I quite frankly just despise the very concept of human cannibalism with a genuine hatred, in fiction or otherwise. Like diddling kids, going cannibal is something humans just do not come back from. We're just not supposed to eat each other, a fact nature itself made sure to make clear to us.
Most of them are actually like that, the idea that Krieg are mindless lunatics incapable of reasoning is just from memes, now if the guardsman insisted on stopping the medic then he might get shot.
Well Krieg trooper being mindless lunatics incapable of reasoning are just from the memes. Most stories depict them as fully capable of human interaction and logic. I remembered in a book that people can see Krieg guardsmen chatting at the dining hall. The difference is they took pragmatism to the extreme making them borderline inhuman, a trait they share with the Catachan and other deathworlders.
@@minhducnguyen9276 Can you really blame them for taking pragmatism to the extreme while mixing it with a extreme martyr complex though? Considering what happened to Krieg?
@@kattkatt6961 I could definitely see a tau delegation going to meet with the krieg commanders, who did agree to negotiations. Only for said commanders to be krieg line troops in officer uniforms to begin engaging the tau, only for the whole sector, friendly and enemy alike, being absolutely landscaped by artillery.
Ironically, the Tau and Krieg have somewhat similar world views. Both are devoted wholly to their cause. I could *easily* see a Firecaste medic doing the same, if their technology wasn't advanced enough to not warrant it. I know people like to hate on Tau, but the Firecaste are just as grimfaced and serious as the Krieg. They have an entire battlesuit formation dedicated to suicidal people who have lost their squad, to be thrown into the fray to die or create a breach.
It's not heartless It's efficient They put more heart at defending the valor of humanity than anyone They are stupidly brave But in time like this, they need it
"Ey, stop stripping my friend" Kriegsmen: Your friend is dead, you do not have winter equipment, and the temperature is dropping fast. Either I bury one naked corpse, or 2.
If I die and someone wants to use my blood to save someone, by all means do it. Strange that being an organ donor is "horrifying" in a world full of genestealers, warp demons and various other true horrors.
To my cynical side, that just sounds like the writer putting their personal sensibilities into the scene. Instead of writing the characters as they are or would actually be, they write FOR the characters. I'm only spitballing here. Haven't read the book yet. There are other possible explanations, of course.
@azraelknightquest5754 I guess for me it would primarily depend on the PDF trooper's response, but I'd still wager the interaction is the writer talking through the character to the audience. Cheers.
I mean tbf, the average PDF doesn't meet Warp demons, genestealers, or other true horrors on a regular basis Remember that the most common enemy of the Guard is the (often rebellious) civilian populace
@cyantile5490 For the most part, you aren't wrong. Don't forget, though, that the entire mythos surrounding Big E is that he and the faith in him is protecting the Imperium from those true terrors. They are generally known to exist, regardless of if they are ever encountered in the lifetime of 99% of your average humans. In this case, they had literally just finished fighting Flayed Ones. That said, the only reasons in universe I can imagine this particular trooper would react this way after seeing the Deathkorps in action are either post-adrenaline shock or a desperate psychological need to separate themselves from the evil of the Necrons.
Also chances some of that blood might be use to create more kriegers. Perhaps an another bit of lore where krieg meant occasionally take the blood of random quality troops. Bring them to krieg, clone both female and male clones then raised to be future krieg That feels like a good way to have stable cloning gene pool.
@@albertlofling7310The lore is very, very vague on precisely what "Vitae Womb" technology actually is. Some sort of quasi cloning farm would make sense, and explain how a nuclear hellscape of a planet like Krieg can afford to send 50+ *million* fully equipped soldiers (complete with armor, artillery, and gunships) off planet every single year. For context, the largest military on earth (numbers wise) is something like 4 million in the PLA. Thats from a country of 1.2 billion people. Now yes, Krieg is going to manage a slightly better efficiency than that, given it's non-warfare production needs are met by other planets, but when you factor in attrition rates from training (kriegers use live fire and live artillery) and the like, we're probably talking about the ability to *produce and export* more than fifteen times the largest army on earth every single year... one way or another, those rates aren't natural. Not with how small the base population is likely to be.
@@andrewgause6971 1 know this, 2 why are you counting one military from one country? Krieg is the planet it draws from and on top of this their entire society is about war, if antrhimg you should take the highest standing military populations during wartime across all of earths history and compare that
Post-mortem. You basically said "Upper Arm." Technically you didn't say anything at all because what you said doesn't mean anything, but the closest thing would be upper-arm. The phrase you're looking for is post-mortem.
Reminds me of the tech-adept who noted that burning the bodies of the dead not only wasted fuel, but the bodies themselves could be repurposed as food. The Elysian drop commander whom he was addressing was both unimpressed and disgusted.
Telling the equivalent of WW2 paratroopers that their dead friends are going to be turned into food to feed the rest of them would be so beyond the pale that it wouldn't even be considered. Imagine some bean counter going up to the 40k equivalent of Capt. Winters and telling him that his men would be ground up and served to the rest, you could imagine how that would go down.
@@revantii That "bean counter" being someone who could potentially mulch your entire squad _without_ going home to stock up on their preferred armaments might dissuade that reaction. A properly outfitted Tech-Priest can put Astartes to shame.
Most depictions of Krieg guardsmen are far from the memes. They are perfectly capable of reasoning and social interaction, the main difference is much like how Catachan are used to emotional detachment, Krieg are more willing to override their emotions with pragmatism than a normal guardsman, a trait common amongs deathworlders.
Honestly in context this isn't even grimdark, it's just doing what it takes to survive in the same way that plane that crashed in the Andes mountains did the same by eating the dead; they had no other choice to survive.
yes and no? in the full context its literally right after the necrons were driven off, and the pdf trooper thought they were looking for wounded to treat so they don't die. he thought the krieg medic was giving the fallen pdf a pain killer, until he noticed he was drawing blood. to take it back to the plane crash, it would be like people being so used to being in plane crashes in remote areas that they start taking inventory on corpses and what people had on them as soon as they get out from the wreckage and looking for other survivors.
As a medic, I am tasked with saving lives, but I am not a miracle worker. There were many today I could not save. Men and women who fought bravely but succumbed to their injuries. This is the grim reality we must accept. Death is a constant companion in this hellish place.
Honestly that was the most respectful way I would expect a Kriegsmen to reply he didn’t just say fuck of he was like this man died others may live thanks to him.
Well considering that in most hive citys the most Common food source is corpse starch and that some planets let people pay taxes in organs. This is be Far not the worse thing they could be extracting
I just noticed, one of those Kriegsman has 82DK on his shoulder armour. That’s a regiment from a game called foxhole that is Krieg inspired. Fun little spot
@@carebloodlaevathein6732 "That’s a regiment from a game called foxhole that is Krieg inspired." - Me, 20 hours ago Besides, there's a Warden Insignia on his helmet if you can't figure out how to read properly.
Honestly, bits like this are quite refreshing to see after all the depictions of kriegsmen as "mindless cannon fodder" in the memes. They truly do them justice showing that "dying for the emperor" means more that they will do *everything* for their common purpose with no regards to personal gains rather than them just wanting to sacrifice themselves asap for whatever reason
kind of an oddly touching gesture letting these soldiers serve their brothers one last time, you'd think he'd say something like "this is useful, shut up" but in a way he's doing it to honor the fallen, so a part of them can carry on the fight they died for
Thats pretty tame tbh. Blood for possible blood transfusion. My 40k bingo card was already ready with > harvesting organs to heal the wounded > turn what’s left of the remains into corpse-starch > turn what’s left of the remains to organic bio sludge to feed the skitari
"Have you no respect for the dead?" "It would be disrespectful to let these perectly healthy corpses go to waste! Out of my way woman i have dead to honor and lives to save!"
@@tomhenry897 sort of. They use the Vitae-Womb, the say its a little understood technology outside of Kreig to mass produce humans. While cloning is very wide spread and as understood as any other technology in 40k.
@@MsJuno it was my understanding that Vita-Womb tech is strictly ILLEGAL & HERETICAL. but Krieg was the only exception to this rule and thus were allowed to use it, but to never, ever share it and or let other planets besides Krieg, use this tech?
@@werewolfhunter1347it's not outright heretical, it's heavily frowned upon. If it gets into the wrong hands... You can imagine what kinda trouble that would bring.
Honestly, not even that atrocious, considering the circumstances. Really, extremely logical if the goal is to keep as many people in the fight as you can, without backup.
For their troops, IT WAS. Their troops are well known for being under-supplied. Look at Ukraine, a full 4th of all the vehicles they get break down before they can even get to combat. They had to cannibalize 5 radar arrays to get even 1 to work in the first year of the fighting (it isn't much better now). This is just what we know. I have talked to Russians that are ex-military who now live in the states (retirement age) and the things they can tell you about are insane. They had to scavenge ammo and rations from the dead OFTEN. No supply was ever guaranteed for them as apparently logistics is bad all over Russia even for civilians let alone the military which has things 'go missing' more often than you would ever expect.
@@Nempo13 A wise man said it once, and I will say it again. Russia is a Third Rate Country with a Second Rate Military. Always has been, always will be.
They're not really "medics". Krieg quartermasters have the task to run around and try to get every soldier who they deem "worth saving" back on their feet. The rest gets a bullet through the head. They do this to save precious medical supplies . Wiki: "the loyalists loathe to "waste" their precious supplies on soldiers with low chances of survival or which could not be readily returned to the battlefield"
A wounded combatant with most of their organs and limbs can still be repurposed and put back into the fight with minor prosthetics. Saving a life to prevent a vacant position is a plenty valuable service, especially considering those prosthetics are likely often reused.
One of those pictures is fan art from the game foxhole. 82DK is a player clan in the game. You can tell because of the blue winged diamond on the Kreigers helmet.
The Imperial Guard's signature strategy may be throwing bodies at a problem until it goes away. But the Kriegers have perfected it as much as lightly modified humans can. Even by Guardsmen standards, when the only way to win is to spend bodies, no one can out do the children of Krieg.
Logistically sound, logically sound, and humanitarian. You can have my corpse. I won't need it if I'm dead. Until then, let's defend Terra and defend Mankind.
I wouldn't call that 'heartless', it makes sense given the limited resources and said dead body is dead. Now if the dead body wasn't fully dead, that's a different story.
Dead Men Walking is an epic book
Ah. Excellent. Time to relisten to it again
There's a bit in the book cadian honour that I think you could do a video on. A praetorian insults the cadians and gets punched by a cadian general at the start
Yeah, hell of a book, in more than one way, hope their new Vraks book is upto the same level.
It was the first warhammer book I’ve ever read, I love it.
Bro I need it
Honestly i wouldn't call what the medics did heartless, as that one medic said: they were cut off from supply lines, had to use what was available to them, and it could be used to save the lives of others who would otherwise die without it
“…but those corpses had the zombie plague.”
May those who march serve the emperor, even in death
@@theguybehindyou4762nothing a shovel in good-condition couldn’t fix
Honestly yea in situations like this you got to make do with what you got better to take blood that was gonna go to waste anyways then leave it and let another soldier die of blood loss
@@theguybehindyou4762 they were killed by necrons not zombies
PDF: "Hey! Stop that!."
Krieg: "Why? He ain't using it no more."
PDF: “Fair enough but what next are you gonna cut up them up and eat them too at what point do you lose you’re humanity and become more like the Ad Mech?”
@@Channel-23sKrieg: "When I stop breathing just like these servants of the Emperor. When that happens feel free to take whatever I hav left if it can save you or another who is still breathing too."
@@Channel-23s ´´yes´´
“Wtf he gonna fuss over? He dead!” - Krieg medic, probably
@@Channel-23s KRIG:ma'am corps starch is our main food source nothing goes to waist no death is without purpose
Kriegsmen are the best choice when you need to succeed and space marines aren't an option, they understand how brutal war can be, they know that sacrifices must be done to win, they are capable of doing them and they don't waste them
They cause WAY too much colateral damage to be called "efficient" but they'll get the win in the end for sure!
@@AlphagonOmegariusDoes the imperium really care about collateral damage? Since high collateral damage doesn’t mean you aren’t efficient, It means you aren’t fighting precision warfare.
@@ITCCC_V2 they're inefficient even for imperium's standars, they even get assigned special commisars so they don't waste that many human lives! XD. Don't get me wrong, i love these dudes, i like their over-eagerness to bring absoulte destruction over both themselves and the enemy, but they're NOT efficient by any standars (not even imperial)
@@ITCCC_V2 "does the Imperium care about collateral damage" you watching memes or something? Such damages can be beyond repair and will struggle in the long run and a lot of Inquisitors would say so.
I’d put the sisters of battle or the Catachan jungle fighters above the krieg in some situations, but for brutal, grinding attrition and siege warfare the krieg are supreme
Brings another meaning to "even in death i still serve" krieg would want it that way for sure.
the soldier is lucky he got that many words out of a krieger, he must have been a very compassionate one to actually explain what he was doing. i like how he phrased it though, so the guy couldnt refuse by bringing up his loyalty.
Showed a warden medic from the game foxhole with the warden 82DK on his arm although it does fit with how they operate😂
That Kriger has a bunny rabbit in his cape.
Pragmatic to the extreme.
One of the many ways to describe Krieg.
Friendly reminder that every Kroger is an Organ Donor!… the difficulty is finding intact organs after the battle.
Slippery slope to ✨Cannibalism✨
I mean if I died in combat, I think I could rest easy knowing that my body could be used to prevent one of my buddies from sharing the same fate
How does that saying go? "Even in death I still serve"
This is why the DKOK is my favorite.
I am a Thorakite under the Iron Warriors and I approve this message.
Meat Juice is Meat Juice.
Must not waste.
Must serve Emperor.
It’s kinda funny that the PDF soldier has a problem with drawing blood from a corpse but they’ve likely worked alongside servitors their entire life. After all a servitor was a thinking human being once.
The Krieges men weren’t cruel, but they understood that war itself is cruel and will do anything to win
Tyranid-maxxing
Heartless, yes. But to be fair, definitely some sound logic. They’re not using that blood and that guy over there kinda needs it
People mistakingly think Krieg is based off Ww1 Germany, it is not. It is based off of Ww1 trench warfare and all the horrors that brings
but my troop only read PSD
It makes sense honestly
What’s the source for the image in the middle, with the woman in the blue uniform?
...I thought this was standard across the entire militarum...waste not want not.
Well, he did say PDF (planet defense force) and not properly trained militarum so training and rules may very especially between a relatively peaceful world and one that fought a 500 year Civil War with only resources from the planet and not the wider Empire.
There's moments in 40K i think they go too far with the whole "Grimdark" to the point of cringe, but stuff like this IS what I expect to hear.
Trooper: have you no respect for the dead?
Kriegsman: bruh, there's no red cross around for light years, we going to make do.
Y'all think we got the time and budget for that ?! HELL NAH !
'You see a blood bank?'
Guardsman: the body is only sacred while a soul reside in it *lights a cigarette and blows out a cloud of smoke* their souls are with the empero now, that in the ground is just meat and blood.
@@Nightmare704RYhardcore. I love this statement.
I have great respect for the dead and hope to join them very soon. But until i do, these particular dead can serve the emperors will one last time. Which i am even more enthusiastic about than dying
"Do you have no respect for the dead?"
Do you have no respect for the living?"
In the 41st millennium, everyone is an organ donor.
True
Nice comeback!
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This is good system, it should be spreading to the world as true system
It kind of goes beyond something you’re willing to die for. If you can’t succeed while you’re alive, your dead body can at least help someone else finish what you started
Kinda like stacking dead bodies of your friends and enemies to be used like sand bags or used as improvise cover against bullets.
@@tnganthavee100I wouldn’t be surprised if they did that tbh
If my dead body could save my comrade from a hail of enemy fire and give him a chance to make it home my corpse would smile.
@@Proditum-dt4vz No, your corpse would be looking like a lump of pulled pork covered in hot sauce with absolutely no ability to smile because it is dead af.
Oddly enough, that’s a wholesome way of describing organ donation.
at least they werent suggesting turning them into sludge and feeding them to the skitarii like that one tech priest did.
Hey you can do IT after you drain bodies from blood and transfer organs...
That was my first instinct, cuz 40k, but they're probably taking it to use for transfusions, so a little more practical and a little less grimdark for the sake of grimdark.
@@ngageman1988
Do it, and you won't be finished before being done in by the survivors.😅
@@SirCheezersIII
Grimdark for the sake of grimdark? That's grimderp.😅
How do you think the main imperial standard issue ration called "corpse starch" came into being for all walks of life to enjoy.?
"You guys wish to serve the Emperor, right?"
Go on, say no to that question against a Kriegsman
If I say "no", how fast will it take to get pummeled by a hundred shovels?
@@magnusbjarni three seconds, the forces are at rest and only the medic is close to her
@@albertlofling7310 3 seconds is an over estimation more like 0.01 seconds before the bonk of shovel
@@StarKnight619assuming one isn’t thrown at Mach fuck, those things are sharp as fuck to
I serve the people of the imperium!.
Even in death I still serve.
Ave Emperator
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For yall who are wondering:
PDF stands for planetary defense forces.
Thank you.
To expand on it a little - PDF are effectively reserves. Since every planet tithes Guardsmen, those who didn't make the cut stay behind. It varies world to world, some PDF are pretty well trained and equipped, almost guardsmen themselves, others are little more than militias and volunteers. PDF are typically less experienced and less prepared than the active regiments of the guard.
*Planetary Desertion Forces
@@ambion19 A few planets even have PDF forces that are far better trained and equipped then the imperial guard, a few rare ones even having access to power armor and gene editing, not as good as space marines but still super soldiers compared to a guardsman, but obviously planets with reserve troops like that are exceedingly rare.
@@PhoenixT70 portable document format*
Fun fact: Draining the blood from a dead body can actually slow the rate of decay. So technically those kriegsmen medics were indirectly helping preserve the fallen soldiers.
So they can be (possibly) turned into Corpse-starch in case they get low on food.
@@246vili
Which doesn't happen as often as memes love to depict..
The Imperium has regular friggin food for it's armies (what the hell are all the agri-worlds for otherwise..)
Corpse-starch is another one of those last resort things. Unless you're a skitarii. .
@@septimus7524 Very true. But then again, if you're fighting the enemy while cut off from reinforcements and supplies for a long time, "last resort things" can eventually become a necessity.
@@246vili fair enough. In brutal battles and seiges where supplies are scarce/cut off cannibalism isn't unheard of.
Russians and German troops were recorded to resort to cannibalism in the worst days for each side during the battle of Stalingrad.
@@246vili
Yeah that's fair, truly desperate times call for the most desperate measures
However I'd argue something like straight up cannibalism really requires some EXTREME extremes. I know at least I personally would starve to death before even thinking about eating human flesh.
Could just be my own personal bias though, as I quite frankly just despise the very concept of human cannibalism with a genuine hatred, in fiction or otherwise. Like diddling kids, going cannibal is something humans just do not come back from. We're just not supposed to eat each other, a fact nature itself made sure to make clear to us.
That was a well-adjusted Kriegsmen, he used logic and reason in place of just shooting them for dissident thought.
Cuz he don’t got Emprah on the brain.
Most of them are actually like that, the idea that Krieg are mindless lunatics incapable of reasoning is just from memes, now if the guardsman insisted on stopping the medic then he might get shot.
Sounds like they also need every one of the living, too, if the situation is that dire.
Well Krieg trooper being mindless lunatics incapable of reasoning are just from the memes. Most stories depict them as fully capable of human interaction and logic. I remembered in a book that people can see Krieg guardsmen chatting at the dining hall. The difference is they took pragmatism to the extreme making them borderline inhuman, a trait they share with the Catachan and other deathworlders.
@@minhducnguyen9276 Can you really blame them for taking pragmatism to the extreme while mixing it with a extreme martyr complex though?
Considering what happened to Krieg?
I really, REALLY, want to see the T’au react to the krieg. I can just imagine how terrified and somewhat angry they would be
1 Tau was killed by a lot of shovel bonking in Exodite.
@@meidyot1672 First the Kriegers make angry Pyro noises, then take turns pummeling the Tau while saying, "BONK!"
The fishmen would shit their pants at the dead men marching. I'd love to see them try diplomacy again and get an even worse shock.
@@kattkatt6961 I could definitely see a tau delegation going to meet with the krieg commanders, who did agree to negotiations. Only for said commanders to be krieg line troops in officer uniforms to begin engaging the tau, only for the whole sector, friendly and enemy alike, being absolutely landscaped by artillery.
Ironically, the Tau and Krieg have somewhat similar world views. Both are devoted wholly to their cause. I could *easily* see a Firecaste medic doing the same, if their technology wasn't advanced enough to not warrant it.
I know people like to hate on Tau, but the Firecaste are just as grimfaced and serious as the Krieg. They have an entire battlesuit formation dedicated to suicidal people who have lost their squad, to be thrown into the fray to die or create a breach.
It's not heartless
It's efficient
They put more heart at defending the valor of humanity than anyone
They are stupidly brave
But in time like this, they need it
as brutal as it is, dying from hunger with a bunch of edible corpses around you when you could have made them into 100% safe food seems dumb
"Ey, stop stripping my friend"
Kriegsmen: Your friend is dead, you do not have winter equipment, and the temperature is dropping fast. Either I bury one naked corpse, or 2.
Would using the corpses for pleasure also be something we could see happening in the grimdark?
@@mic2348 based on the lore of the Thousand sons, yes.
Guess you have to bury both of us then, rather dead than serve inhuman regime
If I die and someone wants to use my blood to save someone, by all means do it. Strange that being an organ donor is "horrifying" in a world full of genestealers, warp demons and various other true horrors.
To my cynical side, that just sounds like the writer putting their personal sensibilities into the scene. Instead of writing the characters as they are or would actually be, they write FOR the characters.
I'm only spitballing here. Haven't read the book yet. There are other possible explanations, of course.
@Skaldzerker I think ya hit the nail on the head with THAT one.
@azraelknightquest5754 I guess for me it would primarily depend on the PDF trooper's response, but I'd still wager the interaction is the writer talking through the character to the audience. Cheers.
I mean tbf, the average PDF doesn't meet Warp demons, genestealers, or other true horrors on a regular basis
Remember that the most common enemy of the Guard is the (often rebellious) civilian populace
@cyantile5490 For the most part, you aren't wrong. Don't forget, though, that the entire mythos surrounding Big E is that he and the faith in him is protecting the Imperium from those true terrors. They are generally known to exist, regardless of if they are ever encountered in the lifetime of 99% of your average humans. In this case, they had literally just finished fighting Flayed Ones.
That said, the only reasons in universe I can imagine this particular trooper would react this way after seeing the Deathkorps in action are either post-adrenaline shock or a desperate psychological need to separate themselves from the evil of the Necrons.
"Look, you can use the rest for Corpse Starch, nothing is getting wasted."
"... go ahead. Try that. You'll die before you even get started."
@@Briselanceyou can try killing a krieger,but your whole planet will get accused of heresy and get artillery striked until it explodes
*blam* one more food for the needy
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Also chances some of that blood might be use to create more kriegers. Perhaps an another bit of lore where krieg meant occasionally take the blood of random quality troops. Bring them to krieg, clone both female and male clones then raised to be future krieg
That feels like a good way to have stable cloning gene pool.
That is what they do. Every natural child birth on Krieg gets blood drawn from it for use in the vitae wombs to prevent clone stock degradation.
Without degrading the genes themselves to the point of nonfunctionality.
I do like that theory if we go with the idea that krieg does clone, it isn't cannon but it is a good theory
@@albertlofling7310The lore is very, very vague on precisely what "Vitae Womb" technology actually is. Some sort of quasi cloning farm would make sense, and explain how a nuclear hellscape of a planet like Krieg can afford to send 50+ *million* fully equipped soldiers (complete with armor, artillery, and gunships) off planet every single year. For context, the largest military on earth (numbers wise) is something like 4 million in the PLA. Thats from a country of 1.2 billion people. Now yes, Krieg is going to manage a slightly better efficiency than that, given it's non-warfare production needs are met by other planets, but when you factor in attrition rates from training (kriegers use live fire and live artillery) and the like, we're probably talking about the ability to *produce and export* more than fifteen times the largest army on earth every single year... one way or another, those rates aren't natural. Not with how small the base population is likely to be.
@@andrewgause6971 1 know this, 2 why are you counting one military from one country? Krieg is the planet it draws from and on top of this their entire society is about war, if antrhimg you should take the highest standing military populations during wartime across all of earths history and compare that
Post-humerous blood donations
Post-mortem. You basically said "Upper Arm." Technically you didn't say anything at all because what you said doesn't mean anything, but the closest thing would be upper-arm.
The phrase you're looking for is post-mortem.
Reminds me of the tech-adept who noted that burning the bodies of the dead not only wasted fuel, but the bodies themselves could be repurposed as food. The Elysian drop commander whom he was addressing was both unimpressed and disgusted.
Idk why, seems like a better-than-average plan for 40k
Comander: "You are truely machine without any human feelings!"
Magos: "Thanks. It's my goal but I'm not there yet."
Telling the equivalent of WW2 paratroopers that their dead friends are going to be turned into food to feed the rest of them would be so beyond the pale that it wouldn't even be considered. Imagine some bean counter going up to the 40k equivalent of Capt. Winters and telling him that his men would be ground up and served to the rest, you could imagine how that would go down.
@@revantii That "bean counter" being someone who could potentially mulch your entire squad _without_ going home to stock up on their preferred armaments might dissuade that reaction.
A properly outfitted Tech-Priest can put Astartes to shame.
Most depictions of Krieg guardsmen are far from the memes. They are perfectly capable of reasoning and social interaction, the main difference is much like how Catachan are used to emotional detachment, Krieg are more willing to override their emotions with pragmatism than a normal guardsman, a trait common amongs deathworlders.
The Iron Warriors would flush at that level of efficiency
if the iron warriors never turned traitor you could imagine them getting along fine with the kriegers
PDF: "Have you no respect for the dead?"
Kriegsman: "I respect their continued sacrifice for the Emperor and humanity even in death"
Honestly in context this isn't even grimdark, it's just doing what it takes to survive in the same way that plane that crashed in the Andes mountains did the same by eating the dead; they had no other choice to survive.
yes and no? in the full context its literally right after the necrons were driven off, and the pdf trooper thought they were looking for wounded to treat so they don't die. he thought the krieg medic was giving the fallen pdf a pain killer, until he noticed he was drawing blood.
to take it back to the plane crash, it would be like people being so used to being in plane crashes in remote areas that they start taking inventory on corpses and what people had on them as soon as they get out from the wreckage and looking for other survivors.
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@@genericname718 Make sense, thanks for explaining.
When life is in abundance, get out your scythe.
Happy harvest.
As a medic, I am tasked with saving lives, but I am not a miracle worker. There were many today I could not save. Men and women who fought bravely but succumbed to their injuries. This is the grim reality we must accept. Death is a constant companion in this hellish place.
Honestly that was the most respectful way I would expect a Kriegsmen to reply he didn’t just say fuck of he was like this man died others may live thanks to him.
PDF: Stop that, let him rest!
Kriegsman: Even in death, he is still bound to service. Let him serve in his capacity, so that others might yet live.
It's so messed up when we think from our perspective, but it's also beautiful in its own why. "He's dead."
Of all the things that can happen to you in 40K, having your blood harvested after death is one of the tamest things.
I mean.... kinda makes sense, actually. Heartless yes, but you make do with what you have.
No different then the zombie acopalies.
Well considering that in most hive citys the most Common food source is corpse starch and that some planets let people pay taxes in organs. This is be Far not the worse thing they could be extracting
I just noticed, one of those Kriegsman has 82DK on his shoulder armour. That’s a regiment from a game called foxhole that is Krieg inspired. Fun little spot
Not the best reference since 82DK has a long story of being absolute jerks.
@@maxterrox1527 And? What does that have to do with anything I’ve just said?
@@tsarindustries5273
You DO know that the 82DK Regiment from Foxhole is named after the 82nd Regiment from Krieg, right? Not the other way around.
@@carebloodlaevathein6732 "That’s a regiment from a game called foxhole that is Krieg inspired." - Me, 20 hours ago
Besides, there's a Warden Insignia on his helmet if you can't figure out how to read properly.
@@carebloodlaevathein6732 In the picture shown the 82dk soldier has a warden insignia on the helmet, it's a foxhole fan-art.
Honestly, bits like this are quite refreshing to see after all the depictions of kriegsmen as "mindless cannon fodder" in the memes. They truly do them justice showing that "dying for the emperor" means more that they will do *everything* for their common purpose with no regards to personal gains rather than them just wanting to sacrifice themselves asap for whatever reason
average guard medic would patch you up, meanwhile the average kreig medic would salvage your corpse
PDF: Stop that!
Krieg Ghost: Continue
kind of an oddly touching gesture letting these soldiers serve their brothers one last time, you'd think he'd say something like "this is useful, shut up" but in a way he's doing it to honor the fallen, so a part of them can carry on the fight they died for
(in)voluntary post-mortem blood (and/or organ) donation.. considering 40k, it's way, way less grim than corpse starch..
Carry on, soldier
Thats pretty tame tbh. Blood for possible blood transfusion. My 40k bingo card was already ready with
> harvesting organs to heal the wounded
> turn what’s left of the remains into corpse-starch
> turn what’s left of the remains to organic bio sludge to feed the skitari
Krieg medic "are you saying this soldier didnt want to serve the emperor?"
PDF Soldier: Stop! This is immoral!
Krig: Says who? The Geneva Convention?
We do not grieve the fallen ones. They found their peace, we're still here fighting this war
For the Astra Militarum it's an atrocity, for the Krieg it's duty. For the Mechanicus, it's breakfast (literaly).
Warden spotted, long live Caoiva!
82DK no less, NO FORCE MORE LETHAL!!
Blueberry bastard
'I'm doing it for the Emperor' I think that line alone can let anyone do pretty much anything.
I can imagine the scene.
Kriegsman - lasgun safety clicks off
"I assume yall serve Big E. Right?"
"Have you no respect for the dead?"
"It would be disrespectful to let these perectly healthy corpses go to waste! Out of my way woman i have dead to honor and lives to save!"
Healthy corpses
Kriegs embodying the RPG method of thought, "I loot the corpse"
Most Kreig troops are teenagers.
Yea I can't imagine most mature adults live so long.
Their clones
@@tomhenry897 sort of. They use the Vitae-Womb, the say its a little understood technology outside of Kreig to mass produce humans. While cloning is very wide spread and as understood as any other technology in 40k.
@@MsJuno it was my understanding that Vita-Womb tech is strictly ILLEGAL & HERETICAL.
but Krieg was the only exception to this rule and thus were allowed to use it, but to never, ever share it and or let other planets besides Krieg, use this tech?
@@werewolfhunter1347it's not outright heretical, it's heavily frowned upon. If it gets into the wrong hands... You can imagine what kinda trouble that would bring.
Honestly, not even that atrocious, considering the circumstances. Really, extremely logical if the goal is to keep as many people in the fight as you can, without backup.
Pdf: stoo
Kreig: you either die for the Emperor, or you die trying
Respect to the protable document formats. They trully are the defenders of planets ✊️
In the words of strong
"Dead not need things. We take!"
I remember a documentary claiming this was basically policy in the USSR for a while.
For their troops, IT WAS. Their troops are well known for being under-supplied. Look at Ukraine, a full 4th of all the vehicles they get break down before they can even get to combat. They had to cannibalize 5 radar arrays to get even 1 to work in the first year of the fighting (it isn't much better now). This is just what we know. I have talked to Russians that are ex-military who now live in the states (retirement age) and the things they can tell you about are insane. They had to scavenge ammo and rations from the dead OFTEN. No supply was ever guaranteed for them as apparently logistics is bad all over Russia even for civilians let alone the military which has things 'go missing' more often than you would ever expect.
@@Nempo13
A wise man said it once, and I will say it again.
Russia is a Third Rate Country with a Second Rate Military. Always has been, always will be.
It's probably a blessing they waited for him to die before deciding he would better suit the emperium as a punching bag like the space marines 😭.
Dead Men Walking is absolutely a hidden gem. A must read for any 40k fan.
"You're disrespecting the corpses!" "The morgue will drain the blood, who is to say I am below a courier of corpses?"
I mean the kriegsman does have a point
"Do you have respect for the dead?"
"I serve the living."
"Kreig Medic"
Thats a paradoxical statment if ive ever heard one😂
They're not really "medics". Krieg quartermasters have the task to run around and try to get every soldier who they deem "worth saving" back on their feet. The rest gets a bullet through the head. They do this to save precious medical supplies . Wiki: "the loyalists loathe to "waste" their precious supplies on soldiers with low chances of survival or which could not be readily returned to the battlefield"
How so? Keeping the non-lethally wounded going is exactly what they do.
Hey, SOMEONE needs to give all those OTHER Kriegers The Emperor's Mercy
A wounded combatant with most of their organs and limbs can still be repurposed and put back into the fight with minor prosthetics. Saving a life to prevent a vacant position is a plenty valuable service, especially considering those prosthetics are likely often reused.
Even in death.
We still serve.
Also that’s why I never knew we had medics.
One of those pictures is fan art from the game foxhole. 82DK is a player clan in the game. You can tell because of the blue winged diamond on the Kreigers helmet.
Thoughts on trench crusade?
Crazy, would want more motors though
@@buwanbuwaya6927 Wish there were more channels on TH-cam doing lore videos on it like wehammer/majorkill style but no luck.
@@Godherja Its like a WW1 buff mixed in with a zealot, I searched the lore up and It was just as crazy, still cool though
@@Godherja The franchise is still very young. Give it a year or two, and I'm sure that it will get more recognition :)
@@Miron_Marnic I sure hope so
"What are you doing?! He's dead!"
"I know, lucky bastard."
If the PDF said no at that time, the kriegsman medic would now need to harvest one more blood.
The Pile provides!
That was actually incredibly kind and understanding for a Kreigsman
Reminder that whether it’s the 20th century or the 41st Milennium the Kriegsmarine are probably some of the baddest dudes around. 🧐
The Imperial Guard's signature strategy may be throwing bodies at a problem until it goes away.
But the Kriegers have perfected it as much as lightly modified humans can.
Even by Guardsmen standards, when the only way to win is to spend bodies, no one can out do the children of Krieg.
PDF: "What are you doing!!??"
Kriegsman: "Dinner."
Logistically sound, logically sound, and humanitarian. You can have my corpse. I won't need it if I'm dead. Until then, let's defend Terra and defend Mankind.
me : PDF 🤔 Portable Document Format ?
After realize ... : wtf 😮 for Harvest 💀
"....But that's contaminated."
Krieger Medicae: "Tell that to our Head Medicae."
I wouldn't call that 'heartless', it makes sense given the limited resources and said dead body is dead. Now if the dead body wasn't fully dead, that's a different story.
Dead Men Walking was messed up
Pointlessly brutal
But at the same time kind of uplifting
This isnt even grim dark just good use of resources... I thought they were going to start ganking backup kidneys and what not
Well fuck all. I'm definitely a krieg.
Cause this makes perfect sense to me.