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Trans World Airlines (TWA) Flight 159 was a regularly scheduled passenger flight from New York City to Los Angeles, California, with a stopover in Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport, Kentucky, that crashed after an aborted takeoff from Cincinnati on 6 November 1967. The Boeing 707 attempted to abort takeoff when the copilot became concerned that the aircraft had collided with a disabled DC-9 on the runway. The aircraft overran the runway, struck an embankment and caught fire. One passenger died as a result of the accident.
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I couldn’t imagine the amount of research and effort goes into this. Thanks for everything!
not really. all he does is go on Wikipedia and copies it almost word for word.
Wikipedia
Kuntuckuh~
Delta 379 pilot: "I've over three million miles in the air"
NTSB: "And two and a half feet in the ground"
Sounds like he ia getting a LSD tho ;-)
Joe Patroni would have been pissed as he worked for TWA and it was his airlines plane that got wrecked.Also the 707 took the damage like a tank as he said it would
Your comment was funny as he'll! Roflmao!
I've got 500,000 miles in a cargo Beech 18 which is equal to 12 gazillion in a DC-9.
Lazy ass DC9 pilots.
The evolution of flight safety has come far but sadly at the loss of many innocent people who may have had their whole lives ahead of them. My Grandfather was one of them who will always be remembered, may he RIP.
Can I ask how he lost his life?
@@culcune My paternal Grandfather was hired as a pilot for United Air Lines in Nov. 1928 at the age of 21. He was the youngest pilot on the West coast for Pacific Air Transport (U.A.L.) at that time. He flew Air Mail route Cam 8 south in a Boeing Model 40B-2 and 40B-4. at NIGHT!
He mostly flew their fleet of Ford Tri Motors between Seattle Portland Oakland. His passion was to learn to fly from the first time he saw a Bi-plane land in his hometown of Roseburg Oregon at age 10. He was killed in a Ford Tri Motor on take off in extreme winter weather in Eugene OR. Ironically, the other pilot with him, who was also killed, taught him to fly. He was ten years older than my Grandfather and flew over France in WWI. Contact flying was dangerous and usually just a matter of time before death. I could only find one of my Grandfathers colleagues who made it to retirement in the 1960's.
I have his log books, he had over 3500 hrs at the time of his death, his flight helmet, goggles ect.
They are on loan to the Museum of Flight in Seattle. Flight safety has come a long way in ninety years. That generation of aviators is owed a debt of gratitude for their sacrifices that made flying safer.
@@skinnerhound2660 thank you for that bit of history lesson!
@@skinnerhound2660 I have been an airline pilot for 34 years. I have read about the early days of aviation and your grandfather was truly a pioneer. I am very grateful to him and other brave pilots who flew in the early days that have helped aviation become as safe as it is today. It sounds as if you are very proud of him and you should be.
@@pixurguy4915 Thank you for your very kind words. Of coarse to me he was an amazing young man who died doing what he loved. My Grandmother always called flying the mistress.
I had the good fortune to befriend a retired UAL captain that started in 1951. Back in the 90's he was able through RUPA, the retired United Pilots group, to get me in touch with several people who knew him back in the day. I learned much not only about him, but what a very small tight knit group there was at United in the 1930's as commercial aviation was evolving. My Grandmother, to her credit, saved so many things of his, newspaper clippings, photos, logs,and several of his brass wings that were later stolen out of the Museum of Flight. I have a letter from MGM Studios thanking him for his services and help flying background shots for a movie called the Air Mail Story. Through his log book, and photos I can see that he flew mostly over Reno NV. in a Model 40B-4 with a wooden tripod mounted on the lower wing spar. I have several pictures with him taxing with his leather helmet and a picture of him in his passenger uniform standing with movie types in front of the 40. Not to bore you but I have a friend whos Father also worked with my Grandfather at this time and has written a book on early commercial passenger aviation. A truly amazing period of time. Gods speed, be safe.
Seems odd that the tower would agree to the he 180 degree turn, as they already have another plane waiting for takeoff.
@Paul Lee
Same here, even though I don't have any experience with ATC I would have been very reluctant to give that approval...am I missing something in this case?
@@watershed44 no you aren't missing anything
They did their job very casually back then like they were operating buses at a regular bus stand, Tenerife is another example
@Shikhar Saxena
That just isn't true, as if so there would have been many more accidents than there were. It probably depends on the training back then which might not have been as consistent at all airports.
I'm confused as why a turn was even needed. Furthermore how the jet blast from a DC9 could take out the engine of a 707. Smh
I was a passenger on TWA Flight 159. Flying back to my ship from Cincinnati after being on leave . Had back injuries later but was in Vietnam. My Dad had power of attorney {normal for servicemen while being in Vietnam) He signed a release in my name.
This happened at my local airport!! But such a long time ago, few will remember it.
Sad always sit in the back of the plane
Marty, I do! Used to park to watch takeoffs exactly where the plane ended up. Many hours spent there.
Seems to me the appropriate response when asked if clear of the active would have been, "I don't know." That action would likely have changed the outcome entirely.
I second that.
Of course! But this was Kuntuckuh....
These videos are excellent. I’m surprised that the default action for ‘airliner ran off the side of the runway’ wouldn’t be ‘runway is closed’ regardless of if they are clear.
one of the reasons Alec is better than Flight channel. the difference in commercials.
It's Allec not Alec.
Excellent. Another fascinating "old school" incident. Great video.
@Andy Richards
Indeed it is. These incidents seem much more interesting to me for some reason compared to the more recent ones. Thanks for the older recreations Alec!
So sad that 1 died. Looked very survivable. But the co-pilot did the right thing aborting. You couldn't reasonably tell a compressor stall from contact there... nice vid, Allec...
To me,it always seems when a plane goes off the end of the runway, there is always something in it's path.Lakes,freeways,gasoline tank storage farms or in this case a hill to make it go airborne.Why the HELL, when they build a airport don't they just get the extra property and extend the end of the runway with level packed dirt or grass?
@@zigman8550
That would make sense.
I always wondered that myself
@@zigman8550 If you think about it, if they are going to get the extra property they might as build the runway longer. Which they probably do when they can. I'm sure they make them as long as possible, since once you get to a hill or a lake or something you obviously can't build any farther.
Jesus, I initially read the "1" as "I"!
@@TheUnatuber
I did too I was all freaked out...
I know NTSB carries out its mission to keep us safe on land, sea, and in the air, without fear or favor. “If the truth hurts, so be it, but the truth comes first” is their motto. Still, I can’t but wonder at the comment that the 26-yr old, 1600 hours, first officer should have extended the spoilers five seconds sooner. It reminds me of a remark from an old-time racing yachtsman about surviving a hurricane off Bermuda in a 35-foot stick-and-string. “Six months later, sitting in your livingroom, with the second glass of your whiskey in his hand, someone will tell you what you should have done.”
This music always gets me. It's like both the planes and the passengers are in heaven now.
gabyu I know right?
Well the planes are.
Just kidding 🙃
I like the music, sad and soothing
Great video Joshua Allec Ibay👍✈️👏
Allec, you do great work!
"Delta, are you clear of runway?"
"Um, sure, I guess."
Not good enough.
Clear ish of the runway
@@ThatOneDude219 Now that's funny!
I think your videos are excellent.
Thank you!
Great Video as always allec keep up the good work!
Too many assumptions, coupled with failure to act in time, once again, cost a life, injuries, and property damage. Aviation - like anything else mankind has involvement in - will never be failsafe, but we’ve come a long way, thank goodness.
yeah well next time they'll call you and you'll save lives right expert?
Amazing the dead passengers family gets 105,000.00 and Delta pays TWA 2.2 million for the wrecked plane.
Tom White why?
Paul Lee it was in the closing lawsuits
Tom White no, why was it amazing?
@@paullee7467 you know it is just a comment that I felt that the deceased and the family deserved more.. that's all..just an opinion.
It really is unfortunate that the family only got such a low amount in comparison. Sad actually.
Great and interesting video Allec, Thanks for sharing!
Great Video Allec!👍👍
I love your videos dude, keep it up!
Once again, so amazed! Never heard of this one, but it’s worth remembering!
send ass.
Thank You Allec.
Just when I was looking for something good to watch, this comes on.
Lou Minatti [Flagged] I agree
@Greg Gregory Since when is lying better than flying, you brainwashed dolt?
@Greg Gregory yeah fuck trump.
@@Maplelust - I agree with that sentiment, but the comments about the impeachment hearings are waaaay off topic and don't belong here.
@@shariys1 yes.
The company jet could always have gone around. The pressure to take off didn't need to be put on the TWA pilots.
Well said
I just had to watch, I have flown out of that airport 5 times or more back in the '90s.
Freaks people out when you tell them Cincinnati airport is in Kentucky.
But when I was there all my receipts said I was in Erlanger, KY.
If they couldn't have stopped before v1, why is v1 that speed? Isn't aborting under v1 safe/won't overrun?
In theory yes but everything has to go right and fast! Get off the power, spoilers up, heavy max braking and still there are plenty of overrun stories.
The aircraft's peak speed actually exceeded V1 speed in the incident. The NTSB correctly found that even though the aircraft had exceeded V1 speed, it was reasonable for the first officer to reject the takeoff in the circumstances, as it was plausible that his aircraft was no longer airworthy.
As a pilot, if I thought I had collided with another plane, then the assumption is catastrophic damage. I dont think any pilot would take off with catastrophic damage to the wing at V1 or not - even if that meant overrun.
Don _ that makes more sense thanks
Andrew Small yeah I'm not saying they should've taken off
Nicely done on timing, just sat down with dinner and looking for something to watch.
What did you have for dinner?
@@zEternus I made a beef stirfry with rice, simple/quick weeknight dinner :)
SupraMk4Nerd 06 I watched this video at lunch. Rice with tuna mixed in fresh cream. I ve put too much pepper in it.
I had some fava beans and a nice glass of Chianti.
Thanks 💓
Some causes of accidents involved the pilot deciding to take off despite warnings. This time though, the opposite happened. If he would’ve taken off, it would’ve been fine. Imagine how he felt when he learned this. Aw man.
Remember this well we lived not far away and dad worked for TWA at CVG and on duty when this happened! Sadly the plane on final
for 27L was TWA 128 the same flight that crashed 2 week later. Runway 27L back then was only 7500 feet was a little surprised this flight
didn't use runway 18/36 now 18C/36C which was 9,000 feet back then.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT CVG BACK IN 1967... JUST CURIOUS, IF YOU WOULD, COMPARE 27L TO WHAT EXISTS TODAY.
@@johnhotarick1651 Hi John. I moved away years ago but loosely followed my hometown airport. 27L became 27 when 27R closed and went thru 2 lengthening
programs over time. I believe 27 is now 12,000 feet!
@@tomb4568 I to moved from that area several years ago. And at the time I left, 27 was being used as a departure/emergency landing runway only as the final approach for 27 would go DIRECTLY overhead of the "airplane viewing" parking lot.
@@johnhotarick1651 I have been in that viewing area 5-6 years ago watching planes using 18R/C/L. Airport has changed so much over the years. Sad Delta has pulled back on the hub so much! Digging back in my memory here 27L opened I believe in April 67 and the first plane to land on it was a Delta DC-9-32.
@Mott Hoople
Thanks for your posts, very interesting, so what did you Dad do for TWA? Be interested to hear more, and what your Dad said after this incident happened if you remember. Thanks friend!
sad for the passenger that lost thier life on board. i notice more pilots are always watching to see if other jets are around. pretty scary sometimes not knowing. thanks for another good video. Allec.
Still Visibility is and has been a factor of incidents and accidents. A good amount of Allec Joshua's vídeos happened at dark Times.
I think there are better warnings today than 55 years ago. Jet passenger flights were still in their infancy. Those 707's were bigger than any other plane around. Pilots did not have on board computers to tell them what is happening outside of the plane. The TWA pilot did not really do the abort right. The airport observers should have check the runway with chase lights on a truck before allowing flight 159 to proceed. The fact the litigation is so high on America's solve this problem list does not mean that Delta alone was the blame for this.
It always strikes me as ironic that prop passenger jets going to Europe before 1957 had fewer fatal accidents than the jets. I wonder why that was.
Since the prop planes flew slower, pilots had a few more seconds to react, is my guess.
@@s.sestric9929 Sounds logical. I also think that they had to actually fly those aircraft. The planes were not as automated back then. The meals they served on overseas flights would now be considered better than first class. There used to be a lot better service in those days.
@@JJDigitalartStudio wrote: "There used to be a lot better service in those days."
But only the wealthy could afford to fly...
@@markbeiser Yeah and now everyone on board can be killed instantly. It goes from good to bad back to good again. Where will air travel be in 20 years?
@@markbeiser True
Good job, Allec
The narrative alludes to an absence of standards as to how to determine if a plane is clear of the runway. Modern design has hold lines that definitively mark runway clearance. In my understanding, today these must be completely passed on exit before the plane can be declared to be clear of the runway. The Delta pilots certainly were not forthcoming about their condition either. So no one made a positive identification that the Delta location was safe for the runway to be cleared. It is also curious why it took five seconds to get the spoilers deployed.
Like many accidents, the fault seems to be institutional within the industry (shared among ATC, airport management practices and airlines) as much as with Delta specifically. The transition from "looks OK in my experience" to positive identification of safe is an ongoing challenge in all areas. As Allec's videos show again and again, this often occurs after an accident and sometimes after someone dies.
Another great video Alllec in your typical understanded dramatic style.
Tom i agree "The Delta pilots certainly were not forthcoming about their condition either." why risk even a 00000000000.0000000001% chance of ANYTHING ??? immediately should have told tower "we fudged up and went off the runway, let's not endanger any other flights, get help out here to get us moved"... common FN sense
Every single regulation and rule in Aviation has a body (and often several hundred) buried under them.
Did TWA win the lawsuit? They should have. I'm happy to see that the person who's life was taken family were compensated, but it still didn't bring the person back.
Mama Lilly cat - Yes, TWA won $2.2M from Delta.
Consequently AA hasn’t paid a dime in compensation for flt 179....
I'm afraid to death of flying,why do I keep watching these?
I feel safer flying than driving
Another excellent video. Suspense as to what would happen. Salamat po.
You never fail to amaze me, Alec. THAT video is one of the very best. The graphics are incredible. The Delta Dc 9 landing looked fantastic and perfectly realistic ! How do ya do it ? Thanks again...I find your air crash videos so addictive, and educational.
thank you
I wonder if the CMAS runway over-run barrier material that is now being installed on many runways (esp shorter ones) would have arrested this B707 overrun ?
It's amazing stuff and brilliant safety technology !
Saved quite a few aircraft already & I'm sure lives & injuries prevented also.
It's a lightly hardened foam / cement powder slurry, uniform blocks of which are laid at runway terminal end for some distance and a person can walk on it but aircraft wheels crush it / dramatically scrubbing momentum.
If deploying the spoilers 4 seconds earlier would have stopped it from going over the hill, its a safe bet an arresting system like that would have saved the life and airframe.
@@VHflyboy I'm sure you're right. There was a Southwest jet on Wet runway LAX last January I recall & it hit the barrier & was stopped so quick I believe just halfway thru the CMAS material.
It was one of the higher profile recent cases of its successful saving of a plane & passengers.
There was a runway overrun at this same spot years earlier & the jet ran across traffic lanes doing lots of damage - runway end being immediately perpendicular to local highway.
The one passenger who died was the mother of the owner of the printing business my Dad worked for at the time.. While investigators were investigating this one, TWA lost a Convair 880 at CVG just 14 days later, killing to 70.
wasn't the passenger on board that was killed the brother-in-law of rabbi edgar magnin?
A rejected takeoff at or below V1 in a transport aircraft is rated to be able to stop without thrust reverse. They did not have auto-brakes with a RTO ( rejected take off ) position in those days but the pilots should have hit the air-brakes sooner than five seconds and for sure I'd hit the thrust reverse anyway! But however if an engine is out hitting thrust reverse can be a bad thing, which is why the requirement is a jet to be able to stop without reverse thrust. So no, I guess if they though an engine might have been damaged then they did the right thing by not using reverse.
Mike Mortensen hi. Not disputing your logic. Just wondering... maybe Boeing 707 DIDN'T HAVE reverse thrust...??
Am I the only one that had difficulty reading some of the White print against the bright backgrounds?
Sue Kelley yes you are
no.
Maybe or maybe not!
The background needs to be muted so everyone can read the print and it doesn't have anything to do with color blindness
Became very difficult to read and nearly impossible to decipher at the end. I love these videos though. Alec, Your efforts and hardwork are phenominal and greatly appreciated!
Another great Friday happy hour with Alec and the crew. Enjoyed the new vid, maybe a little hard to read in spots, but another. great one! Thanks
That DC-9 flew for another 33 years???? Crazy.
douglas all way built a better plane then boeing
I think they were talking about the Delta airplane, not the TWA. It was probably scrapped.
This must have been a bad year for TWA to have two crashes at the same airport in the same month in 1967 . Flight 128 a Convair 880 from LAX also crashed when trying to land Nov . 20 1967
CVG had a few crashes around that time. I think an AA 727 crashed there too in 1965
Something like this happened in Bradford, PA (BFD) with Allegheny Airlines CV580. The 1st was Dec 24, 1968 when AL Flt. 736 crashed on landing killing 20 of 47 on board & then, on Jan. 6, 1969, AL Flt. 737 crashed on landing, killing 11 of 28 on board. I worked with a man who worked for AL/US at BFD during that time period. When BFD became a commuter station, he transferred to CMH until retirement.
Wouldn't be my buddy Allec's video if I didn't hear 6:22
Allowing any aircraft to back taxi at a major airport unless it’s 0:300 in the AM and nobody is around is a bad idea, in the case here one aircraft at the other end in position and holding with another one on final. Good one ATC and Delta crew.
The DC-9 crew was not personally at fault. Inadequate training by management was at fault.
This is another example of "for want of a nail." The mistake of guesstimating that the nosewheel was not going to run off of the hard pavement instead of visually inspecting started the sequence of events...no, actually, overrunning the planned turn due to distraction, tiredness, whatever, was the "nail" that was lost.
I think it was a case of 'getthereitis' Al. So they missed the planned turnoff; not a biggie. All they had to do was taxy down to the next turnoff or runway threshold as required, not pull such a brazen U turn stunt just to try and save 5 minutes. Cost a person their life and their own reputations. Sad.
The settlement for the family of the passenger killed would be $802,809 in 2019 dollars. A pittance.
A pittance lol, what crack are you smoking
Damages for deaths take into account the deceased's projected remaining earning capacity. In cases like this where no one was intentionally careless, punitive damages are limited.
@@ryanabrahams6446 Well, the fact that Delta is still operating as an airline 50 years later and the person who was killed is still quite dead, yes, a pittance.
@@zyrrhos No amount of $$$ can make up for the loss of life.
@@abc-wv4in That goes without saying.
Moral of the story... if you miss your runway exit, take the next one.
Quick thinking reactions by the TWA pilots certainly saved more lives. Sad for the one passenger that was killed though
RIP to the passenger. Wonder how he or she died though? The fuselage appeared largely intact, and all the pax should have been wearing seat belts. Strange.
@@transitfan954 Maybe they weren't wearing a seatbelt for no good reason and slammed into the seat in front of them or got flung.
Quick thinking would have meant the spoilers deployed immediately which the NTSB said would have meant they did not go off the hill. Also, slower thinking might have meant no crash because they also deemed the 707 was not effected by the #4 engine and would have taken off as normal had they continued..
I remember being instructed to "taxi into position and hold" during one of my *FIRST SOLOS* and having *NO CLUE* what that meant! I stayed clear of the runway and was eventually cleared for takeoff.
I understand the terminology is now "line up and wait".
-So you remember being instructed to taxi into position and hold and some idiot signed you off to solo when you had no idea what that meant? By the way, that phraseology went away about 10 years ago; Now it is "line up and wait". Hello?
Hey man, your instructor needs to have his ticket pulled!
@@Flies2FLL I got my license in the 1980s, which also included VASI lights and TCAs.
Why was the overrun inevitable even if the spoilers were deployed immediately while the takeoff was aborted before V1?
Wow! I have to say the graphics and layout are extremely detailed. The shot of the horizon was pretty spectacular. I was going, ohhhhh, ahhh!
which dc9 mod and 707 mod was used in this video?
Could you possibly do a video about Allegheny flight 853? This crash happened very near where I lived, and my high school Spanish teacher lived in the trailer park that was narrowly missed by the planes.
The Delta pilot seems like the type of person who says "oops, I missed my turn, I'll just whip a u-ey and screw everyone else."
Fascinating
Hold short of RW31R on 22R. That is a clearance a fellow pilot received while taxiing for Takeoff. They made a RT from C onto 22R. Taxiway C is fairly close to 31R. This pilot said he made his right turn on 22R and stopped. There are no hold lines when you hold short of a runway while on a runway. There was a BA747 landing. The holding aircraft was a MD10. The BA wingtip passed within a few feet of his windshield. The moral of the story is be very cautious waiting to cross a runway while on a another runway.
In addition to the "TOGA" (take off go around) switch, they need the opposite for rejected takeoffs, impending overruns, etc. So many times, I'm seeing crucial steps being omitted in stressful situations, where slats, reverse thrust, speed brakes, etc. are not utilized.
Well there is an rejected takeoff on the auto brake in most Boeings.
I still remember my last flight in twa 😢
RIP TWA (Trans World Airlines)
(c. 1920s - 2001) 🙁🛫🛫🛫
Love your videos Allec.... what's the title of the music?
What music is that ?
Always got good videos allec thanks! Next could u make Turkish Airlines Flight 278? A crash in turkey on 29 December 1994
We usually think of aviation stuff as exact and a lot of it is. But the actual reality is that V1 is more of an estimate than anything else. It assumes that the throttles are pulled all the way back, spoilers are deployed and maximum wheel braking is applied, all within a couple of seconds.
There was a plane crash in my hometown of Unalaska/Dutch Harbor, AK on October 17th, where the pilot went off the end of the runway and didn't stop in time. Unfortunately, 1 person died, but the good news is the other 38 passengers and 3 crew members survived.
It was the Wild West in those days
@Greg Gregory I'm hoping the House votes to impeach. Then it goes to a full Republican Senate trial with Schiff and the others put on the hotseat. With cross examination and discovery in effect. Popcorn is ready!
@Morgan Brown
It's hard to believe even as a non-pilot today that I would ever be so casual about something like this back then....One question, I wonder if the pilots were ex-military? I suppose the cavalier attitude might be something you found in the AF back then though.
@Greg Gregory - why are you bringing Trump into the conversation?!?
Love these videos, but a quick one for the experts... what's a decent amount of flight time experience? Is 18,000 good?
yes 18,000 is good.
18,000 would usually have you by at Captain status.
@@AllecJoshuaIbay Thanks for taking the time to reply. Brilliant videos.
@@AllecJoshuaIbay somebody made the point recently that 18 000 long haul hours is WAY fewer t/os and landings than 18 000 commuter . Interesting point, I felt.
@@Adrian_Nel Yes, that is true. Commuter pilots fly short haul routes and conduct several of them daily
What is that tiny little nub protruding from the top of the DC-9 near the front end? I have never noticed it before. Also, what does it do?
I believe you are referring to one of the radio communications antennas. That one in particular is a VHF antenna used for talking to air traffic control, company ops, ect
@@jetpilot3714 Cool, thanks for explaining!
Thanks for this episode. I’m from Cincinnati and was not aware of this accident. I do recall 2 other fatal accidents in the 1960’s in Cincinnati. Flight 128 and flight 383. Not sure if you have covered those. Thanks
Another notable and sad runway 27L accident was Air Canada 797 in June of 1983 DC-9 emergency landing and cabin fire!
Why did the dc-9 got stuck? And aircraft ow twa got hit by delta airlines
R.I.P For 1 Passenger On TWA Flight 159. 😭
Why was an overrun invertible even with the spoilers applied immediately, if the pilot aborted before V1. Isn't the point of V1 that it allows safe stopping distance?
Could you please make video for Lion Air JT610 crash at Indonesia... Please
Oh wow. First time I've heard about an accident caused by something that amounted to nothing.👀😲
I worked for USAir and not all of the DC-9 s from other airlines had rear stairs. But I seem to remember that 946 did.
Weren't the rear stairs D.B. Coopers' escape hatch?
@@billolsen4360 He jumped from a 727. Those all had rear stairs
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This happened at my local airport, I didn't even know it happened
In my earlier career, I would use this airport often. Once I was traveling with two elderly ladies from California. I guess they, in all of their lives, never left California, and they were excited, for some reason, to visit the state of Ohio. As we exited the plane on the way to the terminal, the two ladies were talking of how nice Ohio was. Unfortunately, I burst their bubble. "Ohio is that away (pointing in the general direction) a couple of miles. We are in Kentucky." They were flabbergasted and a little upset. Not believing me, they walked immediately to a stewardess demanding to know why they landed the airplane in Kentucky instead of Ohio.
Really sad that someone paid with their life. These accidents, incidents, incursions, etc were how aviation got to be so safe and determined how the rule book was written. That 707 crew did a solid job. The DC-9 crew did, too. Can't really slight the FAA either. Tough break for everyone involved.
True, but at the same time most of the accidents I've read about in the 1960s and 70s were entirely preventable had the protocols been followed. This one seems somewhat borderline, depending on the reason Delta felt certain about being clear. Interesting case in Sydney with CP Air illustrating the dangers of making assumptions.
Can't help thinking it was partly the responsibility of the tower to verify that the DC9 was actually clear of the runway before letting TWA take off. Commercial airports have patrol vehicles running around out there 24-7.
Correct me if wrong ... But there seems to be an error with the Delta Airlines 'Widgets' which are all incorrectly positioned though they are correct in terms of design. The red triangle should run along the bottom surface not the rear / left hand side as seen here.
Fly Drive 2020 The scheme in the video is correct for the initial DC-9 deliveries and was a variation of the standard Delta paint scheme.
When you're dealing with multi-ton machines, "cursory" doesn't cut it.
You don't even have to be on a DC-9 to be killed by it.
Pilot made the right call to abort prior to V1 given the circumstances
The very first “Tenerife” collision.
flawless
Firstly, he remembered to get the spoilers up. Great job. I’m not sure it was correct to abort. Compressor stalls happen usually at low speeds with a big crosswind. It burps then continues. EPR looked good. I don’t know but I do know that high speed aborts are a last resort. People will probably get hurt.
Problem was, pilot didn't know whether a collision had occurred or not. Not knowing if your wing is still attached, I'd abort too. No way to know it was a compressor stall.
*CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY OF THE SOUL LOST ABOARD DAL FLIGHT 159*
So the plane did actually exceed V1 speed as it was going down the runway, however the NTSB stated that due to the reasonable (if ultimately mistaken) belief that they had collided with the DC-9, it was still reasonable for them to try and abort, as if they had hit the plane, the wing would have been damaged and the plane unflyable. Basically, better to go off the end of the runway than try and fly with half a wing gone.
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Woo hoo!!!
Got in EARLY on this one!!!
There must be a font that's easier to read, please. Thank you
Please forgive me I was commenting on a video on another site and my computer somehow fouled up on me and changed sites on me, probably something I may have accidently done. I'm no computer expert I admit. So the comment wasn't meant to be thoughtless. I do watch your videos though and always enjoy them as they are so very well done and informative. Please forgive. That comment refers to a different site. So very sorry. I don't know how to remove it or even if I can as I am still learning. Thanks.
I really like your videos. Could you leave the writing on screen for a few seconds longer?
Suggestion- every runway at every airport could have a heavy-duty collapsible flexible fence like aircraft carriers have to "catch" overshooting aircraft..Then if an airliner looks like overshooting the pilot could yell "Net net net" to alert the tower tp press a button to raise it.
So did they actually collide or did the stall create that loud bang?
Stall created the bang.