readers should keep in mind, that the E3-12x5 xeons come with internal graphics (as i3, i5) but the E3-12x0 do not have graphics inside and need additional graphics card. So for the tiny PCs you will need the ones with 5 at the end
We have many of those M93 tiny at work, I love them! Lenovo also sells an “All-in-One” monitor for this model, it has a slot in the rear where you can “dock” the M93 and hide it inside, all the ports are replicated on the back of the monitor itself and you also get a webcam and a pair of speakers 😄
I picked up an M93 for my mother. She was using an old laptop and a docking station prior and this little Lenovo was not only a big performance boost over the old laptop it cleaned up the area a LOT and tucks in nicely next to the monitor against the wall.
Was going through my drawer of CPU's and it turned out that I had an E3-1225 V3 laying around. I am pretty sure came it came out of a single rack height Dell server I upgraded for a customer years ago. So I put it in one of my M93's I had on the shelf, and low and behold, it booted up really fast. It replaced an i5-4570t. It can now playback 4K video, but the copper heat pipe gets quite warm, so had to set the fan to maximum in the bios. It's pretty noisy with the top on. I pulled the plastic speaker mount off and it's now cooler and a wee bit quieter. However, there is another version of this heatsink that has an aluminum plate bonded over the too of the copper heat pipe, and to the aluminum itself. I have a couple M93's with I-7's in them that also ran warm, but switching to that version of the M93 heatsink took care of the heat problem. So I have one coming for this one too. I may get an HP 800 G1 desktop, because my experience with the early HP's is that they have better cooling, and they can power these higher dissipation CPU's better since they are rated at 65 watts. BTW: The Intel spec sheets for the 1225 say 85 watts, there is no L version of this CPU. It is what it is but runs fine. Update: I have tried the later type of heatsink that has the aluminum piece over the top of the heat transfer pipe. If I could post a picture of it here I would, but easy to see the difference in the Epay images. Anyway, it sure did lower the temperature quite substantially. I have not made before and after temperature measurements because my infrared thermometer is not working (of course when I need it!). Anyway as a comparison, I couldn't keep my fingers on the heatsink or heat transfer pipe for more than about 10 seconds. With the later style heatsink installed, I can leave them there for ever. So, I recommend anyone doing this mod and get the later style heatsink. I bought one on Epay this morning for under $20 USD.
un cordial saludo markallen2536, pudieras compartir el link del disipador que mejoro tu enfriamiento de la Lenovo con el procesador XEON, te lo agradecería mucho.
This video reminded me that I have to clean my computer. It was 2018 since the last time I blowed the dust out. I feel like a criminal doing this to my only pc.
HI xfhr My channel is English, and to make sure as many as possible, can also enjoy the comments, they are also English. Please keep to English. Thank you for watching! :-)
I´m thinking on a computer for running Blender and design engineering stuff, and now you come out with this. I haven´t bought anything and now I WANT a Xeon on a tiny thing of these. Dang. Thanks Morten.
A little tip: you mentioned in your video that you need a lot of thermal paste, and it's not exactly cheap! Use copper paste instead, 50 grams of which costs a maximum of 5 euros here in Germany (I've also gotten it for 3.99 euros). It works wonderfully, is electrically non-conductive and, above all, it takes almost forever for it to dry out. I've been using it for over two years and have only had good experiences with it.
I love the M93p Tiny's. I have 3 at home, plus a M92p Tiny and I've upgraded them like you have. One of them to a 4770T and the other to a E3-1265L v3 which is very similar performance to the 1275L V3. Perfect for homelab use and/or HTPC.
Interesting video. I have the same computer. Mine was bought used with the i5 processor option. When I first got it, I would hear the fan come on to full speed from time to time. I just put in a new SSD and at that time vacuumed out the head exchanger and fan (I was lucky and did not break it.) and now the fan never runs at high speed. Mine came to me a lot less dusty than yours, but even the little dust that was in it made the heat exchanger less efficient and the CPU ran hotter. Now, running at a lower speed you can''t hear it at all, but you can feel the warm exhaust. The CPU is running cooler. One feature that you may not be aware of it being able to turn it on using your keyboard with Alt, P. To have this, you will have to plug your keyboard into a particular USB port on the back of the computer. A little experimenting should get the job done.
I think I've mentioned this here before...but maybe not... Use an old electric toothbrush to clean stuff. Alternatively, if you don't have an old one, get a cheap one from a discount store. It's well worth the effort to get one. It's common knowledge that the professional way to clean flux and junk from a PCB during/after assembly is an ultrasonic cleaner. When you have a surface that you can not submerge into an ultrasonic cleaning bath, the next best thing is to use an electric toothbrush. It works okay even if you use it dry with dust. I would be worried about static on the PCB though. I use isopropyl alcohol with it. It works well with heatsink fins and fan blades. Most centrifugal fans have screws or bendable tabs to remove the top cover and gain access to the surfaces that need to be cleaned. Lastly, in my teens I worked for a company that makes asphalt plants (the industrial facilities to produce the stuff used to pave roads). I worked in the computer controls department of the company. When an asphalt plant got it's controls systems upgraded there were lots of times we had to clean the computers in the control room just to add a new card into a slot. The environmental conditions for those computers are usually terrible. This was back in the early Pentium processor days. The computers we used were just standard consumer PC towers. The way we cleaned them was to take the covers off, take them outside and use a garden hose. We never had an issue. The trick is to make sure there is no water remaining when powered on. Controls upgrades take a couple of weeks to complete. So we had days available to dry them out. We also had several potential warm places to leave them to ensure they would dry out completely, plus it's a very dry dusty environment to start with. That's just a bit of an extreme example of what can be done to clean a PC in challenging conditions. I've seen PCs so dirty the dust looked like carpet that completely buried the internals. The worst were the ones where the plant operator(s) were chain smokers. The dust turns into a plastic sticky taffy like mess.
Hi Upcycle Electronics Thank You very much! The plastic in this fan had somehow become brittle,, and did not flex at all. I think it has been running hotter because of my 54W CPU instead of the original 35W one. :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
Thanks for this video! A TH-camr I watch using his M93p for retro-gaming and recommended an upgrade to an i7 CPU. Your upgrade may be a much better idea, so I'll let you know how this upgrade works for my retro-gaming setup.
If you are a fan of MacOs I highly recommended checking TechNolli video of OpenCore for Lenovo M93P. I turned mine into a full functioning Mac Mini. I had to buy a different WiFi card but it was well worth it. Everything works including Apple Store, iMessage and everything else. Good video by the way.
If you want to know which are the best processors for this PC in addition to help for the (m73p and m93p) they are: i7 4765T 35w (The lowest consumption and performance of all i7 4th) i7 4785T 35w i7 4790T 45w i7 4770T 45w i7 4770S (Best in performance) 65w i7 4790S (I don't recommend it but it can handle it) 65w+ There are xeon processors that are similar in performance but the integrated ones are not very good so to speak. The rest of the processors (without letters or K) require modifications for the original adapter, which is a PSU (65w). I recognize that any of them are good depending on their use and most are expensive in price (all those with T) and yes. When you buy the 65w ones you have to have a good air flow type because they will heat up with the mini heatsink and fan that these 2 machines come with (I hope it helped you!!)
I've still got an i5-4570T in mine, and it's fine for my use because it's only really going to run a server every now and then for me and a friend, but it also serves as a backup machine (it takes files off my pc, zips them without impacting my performance, and uploads them at about 400KB/s, thus it being always on is useful and not impactful on my day). Now temps wise, disappointing. I've done quite a bit of things to find the best course of cooling. I have conductonaut or whatever the hell it is, and I haven't changed the paste since starting my testing. Also the fan I had was somewhat annoying to listen to at night, whirring that got progressively faster, then stopped and goes back to being quiet, and slowly started doing it again, every 5 seconds. Rather than replacing the proprietary fan, I went on a journey :) Base Temperature --- 40c idle, 81c full load, with stock fan Didn't check idle, probably 50c, 85c full load, with no fan at all Here's the modifying part of temperatures: 50c idle, 81c with a 3d printed custom replacement mount to hold a 40x40x10mm noctua fan (disappointing really, but non proprietary and quieter) Now the juiciest one of them all :) 30c idle, 61c under full load with an 80x80x10.8mm Akasa fan. Amazing difference. (You may get away with a 15mm thick fan, possibly 20mm at a push, but I haven't got one to try) Note: I've also delidded my CPU, but this didn't effect temps at all with stock, thus my interest in modifying on the fan level. So don't delid, unless you're gonna do liquid metal which I do not recommend. But it comes at a cost, I cut a hole with an 80mm cutting circle thing (I recommend less, 76-78mm, 80mm shows gaps on the edge of the fan filter, 79mm might not be less enough), drilled holes at I think was 71.5mm apart and a 5mm bit. Cut the proprietary fan wire off, cause I'ma need that connector, soldered up a PWM female to the proprietary connector, and bobs your uncle. (I think the connector is micropico, but they're not cheap, so don't mess up the essentially free one you have) Got a fan filter to tidy it off and voila, non proprietary fan with way better cooling. Cost wise you might ask? Well, the proprietary fan will run you from around £18 to 24, and that's used! For the modification I did? £21.44, for the fan, fan filter, 80mm hole cutter, and PWM connector. Benefits; non proprietary fan, a 80mm hole cutter I could use for other projects, quieter, and cooler. If you do carry out this mod yourself, please be sure to put painters tape EVERYWHERE on the panel to avoid scratches where the fan filter doesn't cover (also recommend clamping it down if you can, and wear gloves!) Also I'd recommend using calipers perhaps. When you're lining up where the fan goes, it's simple, just position the panel properly where you want the fan to go. If anyone is interested I'd be willing to upload an image or two to imgur on my positioning. And don't be daft and make a hole on the side with the circuit board where the fan will not be INSIDE the case like an image I saw on the forums.
The best thing to do for any older computer is to replace the spinning disk hard drive with an SSD. Not only for the actual read/write speed but more importantly the access time. I'd also suggest an absolute minimum of 8gb ram, 16gb preferred.... especially when working with chrome based browsers... they love ram :P.
Morten, that i3 you replaced was a "T" i3-4170T series which is 35W TDP. So you increased it slightly with that newer one. Chances are you decreased the fan speed by blowing out the dust and replacing aged thermal compound. Some of the newer Tiny models will take up to 65W ones. M920x for example. (Full disclosure: I'm a Lenovo Technical Client Advisor, formerly known as an FTSS)
Hi Bob Carpenter Thank You very much! But NO,, the origial CPU in the system was the i3-4130T 35W, I put in the i3-4170 54W and now the Xeon E3-1275L V3 45W,, so in this move I went 9W down,, but still up from the original one. Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse I never thought to use a Xeon in these, I may have to experiment too. Thanks for the clarification, I was watching it on the TV in my office. The fans run loud when they get hot. Also newer Tinys have external optional dust filters too.
@@bobcarpenter1551 Hey Bob, Seeing as you work for Lenovo (and I'm actually Tech support at Dell, but i own IBM's and Lenovo's haha), Can you tell me if a M920q Will support 71w TDP processors? There's some decent Coffee lake Xeon's that are 4 core 8 thread with GPU, and those are the same socket (LGA1151) which would make them really attractive. Some of the Proc's that im thinking of are: Xeon E-2144G, Xeon E-2174G, Xeon E-2244G, and Xeon E-2278GEL, the last of which is Lower clock speed, but twice the cores and threads at half the TDP (35w). Would any of these be likely to work in the system, especially the Xeon E-2278GEL ? I'm currently eyeing off an M920q on Ebay thats less than a year old and still has over 2 years Warranty left, but it comes with only an i5-8500T, so im looking for a Processor upgrade for it.
@@KSSilenceAU Have you thought of using the i9-9900T? It's a 35W TDP CPU and is spec'd for that device. When you put a 65W into these things (I have an M900x with a 65W i7) the fans can get really loud. If you went that route you'll also want to get a 135W power supply, you would also a new 65W heatsink as they have more pipes in them as well and are made with more copper. The big power config Tiny is the M920x and on quick inspection, they are only 65W TDP. The Q970 doesn't support ECC and overall the i9-9900T matches most of those Xeons pretty well on benchmarks.
@@bobcarpenter1551 Apart from a single Engineering sample in Germany, i cant seem to find any i9-9900T Procs on ebay, let alone in Australia. Noise will Not be a concern as it will be living out in the Garage as a mini server. ECC i can live without. As such if i can get a Non T CPU that will outperform a T CPU at reasonable cost, and the machine can handle the TDP, then im happy to do that. PSU should be non issue as well, can always use my Spare 230w PSU for my P71 while waiting on a 135w brick to show up. What are the differences between a M920q and M920x ? It seems that according to the PSREF PDF they are just known as M920 Tiny psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkCentre/ThinkCentre_M920_Tiny/ThinkCentre_M920_Tiny_Spec.PDF
I've got 2 of the M93p tiny pcs, they are awesome units. I found that my both REQUIRED PC3L (low power) SODIMMS when I upgraded, as both units refused to boot with normal 1.5v non L RAM
That is an awesome upgrade. I have the 3.5ghz E3 1270 V3 in my desktop/ light gaming pc, have used it for 4 years now in a gaming motherboard and it gets nearly the same performance as the i7 4470. I am definitely picking up a barebones lenovo and givint this a try, having that tiny thing instead of my huge tower would ve fantastic. I will put VMWare on my current system and stick it in a closet as a server :)
The m93 and p version does not allow you to put in bigger than 65w cpus because there will be too much heat for the poor laptop fan. Whatever it is not recommended use of 65w in that as the heat rises up, recommended a maximum of 45w. Best cpu for that wattage
I was considering this after I managed to run my m73 tiny with a standard 4570 non S/T decently stable , but what I came over is that there is a E3-1265L V4 Broadwell based on LGA1150 that costs the same as this but uses less power(35W vs 45W) and has an Iris Pro 6300 integrated GPU which is a lot more powerful then the HD4600 in the V3, so I will try that in the future, the only question is if the M73Tiny will run on a Broadwell, as that would be an incredible machine imho.
@@isaackyleborbon9487 never got around to trying this as the e3 is only sourceable for me on aliexpress for 200+ usd so not worth it, but it has been running ok for me with a standard 4570 in tests
I've been watching the video and I realized that the motherboard above the socket seems to be burned? That scares me since an i7 4770s is about to arrive that consumes 65w (TDP) (on average it eats 45w from the charger) I'm scared to open my m73p tiny and find the motherboard black
I feel like one negative of the Xeon chip is that while it may be faster you are going to loose graphics perfromance. The 4600 integrated graphics is much better than the gt1 on the xeon chip.
Hi BrooksyTech Thank You very much! I must admit that the biggest improvement, has been the lover power usages, that has resulted in less noise :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse Good question. What is the best 4/8 core CPU that you can put in this small computer with the fast iris GPU. I'm researching this small computer for a future Hackintosh system. I saw that this Xeon has 10 GPU units, and my old 2003 macbook pro has 40 of them.
Very good video! 👍 It's a bit old, but I also have a "Lenovo M93 Tiny Desktop". I bought it about 2 years ago, but haven't used it yet. Yesterday I took a closer look at it and noticed that it only has a very slow Pentium G3220T CPU (2 cores, 2 threads). Now I want to change the CPU too. First I thought about an Intel Core i7-4765T, but after watching your video I want to get the Xeon E3 1275L V3. It's cheaper than the i7-4765T and faster too. Maybe you can help me with two questions: - the Xeon has a TDP of 45W, which is 10W more than the currently installed Pentium and also 10W more than the i7-4765. Does the Lenovo's cooling manage to keep the temperatures in a safe range or have you noticed problems with your system? - Did you have any problems using the Xeon? It's actually designed for servers. I would be very grateful if you could tell me about your experiences with the Xeon.
So my 1275LV3 CPU finally arrived! I decided to try it first in my HP 800 G1. I installed it and the computer was running sluggish and with core speed averaging around 1.8 ghz. to 2.3 GHZ. Anyway, did a little searching and found that there is an E-3 12XX driver that can be downloaded. After installing the driver, the thing really took off. Peaking out at frequencies briefly of 3.7 GHZ. So that fixed the low speed aspect. The computer now plays back 8k video with ease and throttles as it should. The Score is now 5450 for the Xeon and 3240 for the i5-4590. I will check it next week in my M93P, and will see if Lenovo has a driver for it. Edit: Forgot to mention I turned up the fan idle two clicks in the HP bios. It barely gets warm.
Thanks for this hack! I have two of these little beauties, for which I purchased i5-4590T chips, the fastest I could get @ 35W, and of course I doubled the RAM up to the maximum. But now I have seen the guts and the cooling scheme, I would not be afraid to run the 45w XEON chip, with frequent cleaning of course (because after all a PC is basically an room air filter with computing capabilities 🤣) i5-4590T has about 2/3 the performance of the XEON at a very good price on ebay. Will this chip gain very much for video capability? BTW these will replace my laptops. My fingers can't get along with a laptop keyboard, so when travelling I just carry the M93P, a wireless keyboard+mouse, and use whatever monitor is available. In a hotel room I just patch it to the TV with an HDMI cable. All good!
DDR3L usually runs ok on standard voltages, but I guess such machine could detect and set correct voltages.. You could check that.. Damn those flimsy fans...
Warranty valid until used :-) - Dust removal may have helped lower fan blast. I've got the same form factor Lenovo M715q (with AMD 2400GE) as an extra desktop. Nice small machine with good performance, and reasons for buying Intel are, well, diminishing.
Hi Johnnie Hougaard Nielsen Thank You very much! Cool and way newer than mine!! and three screens,,, humm Now I want a new one! glad you liked the video :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
Just so you know, TDP (thermal design power) refers to average heat generation of the processor and not how much electricity it will use, even though it uses watts as its energy unit. So to say a CPU has a 45W TDP just means you need a cooling device capable of dissipating 45W of heat during normal load. Now while it's generally safe to say that the higher the TDP the more electricity the CPU will use, it's inaccurate to say a 54W TDP CPU uses 9W more electricity than a 45W TDP CPU.
There is such a thing, as making it to complicated. When a CPU has a TDP of 45W, and that means that you need to cool 45W. As we are dealing with a powered component,,, no magic power or heat, is going to come from anywhere else. So This must mean that the CPU will in worst case use 45W that has to be cooled/moved away. Power used in the CPU can only become heat. It is correct that I do not know if the new CPU uses 9W less,, and some random workload,, only that at peek power usages, it should use 9W's less.
Hello, could you run a full Passmark benchmark including the 2D and 3D video tests? I have the M73 with an i5-4570T / HD4600 just wondering about graphics performance of the XEON. I use this little PC for retro game emulation and it does very well for such a tiny form factor.
I wonder if the board with the Pentium G3220T would take the Xeon. Cpu upgrade website shows the i3-4170 as direct replacement but not any Xeon although there are many Xeon 1150 socket chips.
I've got the i5 2.9ghz model of the Lenovo ThinkCentre M93p Tiny. I just upped the RAM from 8gb to 16gb. I've been trying to find out if an i7 can fit it. I'd have to cut the case and install an external fan to help with the heat. It currently has the stock 128gb SSD, but I plan on changing to a 1tb Samsung Evo. I'm also using a 4tb external drive atm. And even though heat isn't really a problem now, I got a "vertical laptop stand" to hold it on its side.
the 1275L V3 is the only other "supported" CPU upgrade for "servers" like the PowerEdge T20, hence the higher price, plus that haswell is still in demand in some manner for upgrades. I have a T20 and it is absolute garbage. the heatsink is terrible compared to other offerings for instance, and while it CAN take higher power CPU options, the laughable heatsink will fail to keep them cool.
Hi, I want to buy an m93 for use as a small proxmox node. The manual says that max RAM is 16gb. This xeon model does support max 32gb RAM. Can 32 gb RAM be used in this m93 with xeon processor?
Hi Morten, Excellent video. Love these machines as well. Any idea whether the same upgrades can be done with an M92 as opposed to an M93 please? Not entirely sure what the difference is between these two models however guess there's little difference. Keep up the great content.
If you spent just a little bit more money you could have had an i7 4790k and got quite a bit more performance. Assuming the motherboard and cooler can handle the extra power and heat.
I currently run an 84w i5 4570 inside one of these with a 90w power supply, the bigger issue is the TDP/heat, this is a really tiny case thus a 4790k would thermal trottle a lot, this is cooled by a laptop style blower and there is virtually 0 airflow so a high power CPU is really limited a lot more by this than power supply etc., you need quite a cool CPU for these gems.
@@Interknetz yes i am pretty sure as this used to be my main CPU for years , the M73 does seem to limit it's power use but it does run close to its advertised frequency and without any stability issues @ 80C under OCCT. Also these do run a lot more than what they are supposed to , with god knows what limitations, but I also got mine with a 90w PSU instead of 60w.
Sounds like it has gained a turbo speed :-D Hopefully the ram speed is optimal for the cpu, otherwise you might lose a tiny tiny bit of speed, you must have that extra bit lol.
Lenovo desktops and laptops are excellent for upgrading, I have an M73 tower and a rather old T420 laptop, the T420 is STILL an excellent performer. My M73 minitower has been upgraded with an i5-4590 and a GTX1050ti 4gb.....it can handle most modern games at 1080p....
Hi Stephen Cleeve Thank You very much! There are lots of options, if you are not limited by the little power and cooling in this tiny M93 :-) Thank you for watching! :-)
Hey there 3 years later here I am trying to do the same as you did. I'm trying to buy a compatible Xeon online...will this one work? E3-1275 V3 (SR14S) 3.50GHz Thanks in advance.
I have three M93p tiny like yours and all of them with i5-4570T. All of them gets pretty "loud" hot under no heavy load circustances, like seeing 1080p videos on youtube. I think this machines are pretty good, but the i5-4570T is a little more hot than others models. Did you had this issue too? Cheers
Does this can work with a Lenovo M720q? I got this tiny bad boy for free and my original plan is to upgrade to an i9 9900t and add 8gigs of ram and a m2.
I can't believe you were running a 54Watt cpu in it. Could have also gone with a i7-4785T, its 35Watts and only around 12% slower in benchmarks compared to what you ended up with.
@@MyPlayHouse I just picked on up the XEON E3-1275L V3, totally regret it. (Sold it) With Batocera I get way better overall performance with the I7-4785T. The IGP is only GT1 on the XEON E3-1275L V3 and GT2 on the I7-4785T. You can forget about playing Naomi 2, Playstation 2, Gamecube and Wii games with the XEON E3-1275L V3
I noticed you had discord, do you have a myplayhouse server? is it available to all or just patreon? (I couldn't find any links to it). Cheers mate, love your stuff.
@@MyPlayHouse nice, if you need a hand let me know, my discord id is: DigitalSparky#5803 - you should be able to find me by clicking on the 'find or start a conversation button in the home section, then entering my user there. I can help you set things up from there if you like. :)
How about trying to put 32 gb of memory in it (16+16)? The Q87 chipset is compatible, and the XEON cpu is compatible. The M93p Tiny stock configuration maxed out at 8+8 gb. Perhaps it may wotk with 32 gb? I have one of these rinning the same XEON processor but I haven't upgraded the memory yet.
@@MyPlayHouse These machines are known to support 32GB Without issues, plenty of posts on the lenovo forums about it, as ive been looking myself, because im tossing up between a M93p Tiny, or the successor a M920q Tiny which officially supports 32GB, but will take 64GB with the right So-Dimms.
@@KSSilenceAU Can you provide a link about 32GB RAM support that you've seen, as I've been looking for ages, with lots of people asking but nobody conclusively giving any evidence. Don't confuse M93P SFF with M93P Tiny.
Doubt it. I have i5 4590, GT1030 w/2GB GDDR5 in a Dell optiplex sff and it's pretty good for GTA 5 @1080p medium high no AA. But I don't think R* lists any integrated graphics as capable. You might do OK with Ryzen APU, but forget about that game on this build entirely. Pretty sure no.
Thank you for your quick response, but I didn't mean the xeon, I meant the gifted one, I am aiming at something here, I tried shipping a broken screen back to China and it would've cost a fortune so I took the loss and carried on, I imagine that doesn't happen in Western countries since every single western channel especially tech oriented ones get stuff sent to them all the time, I just wanted to know if shipping from Australia to wherever you are was cheaper than the CPU itself.
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readers should keep in mind, that the E3-12x5 xeons come with internal graphics (as i3, i5) but the E3-12x0 do not have graphics inside and need additional graphics card. So for the tiny PCs you will need the ones with 5 at the end
Hi Michael Holin
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Excelent input! Very grateful.
Thanks for this video - I've just upgraded my M73 Tiny with an E3-1265L v3 - noticeable difference is I can now watch 4k TH-cam!
Hi Tafka Wac
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
We have many of those M93 tiny at work, I love them!
Lenovo also sells an “All-in-One” monitor for this model, it has a slot in the rear where you can “dock” the M93 and hide it inside, all the ports are replicated on the back of the monitor itself and you also get a webcam and a pair of speakers 😄
Okay,, I did not know that :-)
Lenovo also makes Sandwich Kits to mount between a monitor and an arm
Saw their successors at Medieval Times lol
I picked up an M93 for my mother. She was using an old laptop and a docking station prior and this little Lenovo was not only a big performance boost over the old laptop it cleaned up the area a LOT and tucks in nicely next to the monitor against the wall.
IT's a cool little thing :-)
Now we in the UK are locked in our homes I am rationing watching your excellent videos! This one made me smile
Yarh,,, The UK was a bit late to the "Party"... What made you smile ?
@@MyPlayHouse "You missed a lot of swearing from my side when I F$%ked this up"... Then you had a spare!!
Was going through my drawer of CPU's and it turned out that I had an E3-1225 V3 laying around. I am pretty sure came it came out of a single rack height Dell server I upgraded for a customer years ago. So I put it in one of my M93's I had on the shelf, and low and behold, it booted up really fast. It replaced an i5-4570t. It can now playback 4K video, but the copper heat pipe gets quite warm, so had to set the fan to maximum in the bios. It's pretty noisy with the top on. I pulled the plastic speaker mount off and it's now cooler and a wee bit quieter. However, there is another version of this heatsink that has an aluminum plate bonded over the too of the copper heat pipe, and to the aluminum itself. I have a couple M93's with I-7's in them that also ran warm, but switching to that version of the M93 heatsink took care of the heat problem. So I have one coming for this one too. I may get an HP 800 G1 desktop, because my experience with the early HP's is that they have better cooling, and they can power these higher dissipation CPU's better since they are rated at 65 watts. BTW: The Intel spec sheets for the 1225 say 85 watts, there is no L version of this CPU. It is what it is but runs fine.
Update: I have tried the later type of heatsink that has the aluminum piece over the top of the heat transfer pipe. If I could post a picture of it here I would, but easy to see the difference in the Epay images. Anyway, it sure did lower the temperature quite substantially. I have not made before and after temperature measurements because my infrared thermometer is not working (of course when I need it!). Anyway as a comparison, I couldn't keep my fingers on the heatsink or heat transfer pipe for more than about 10 seconds. With the later style heatsink installed, I can leave them there for ever. So, I recommend anyone doing this mod and get the later style heatsink. I bought one on Epay this morning for under $20 USD.
The CPU's for this 12 year old PC is becoming affordable,,, finally.
un cordial saludo markallen2536, pudieras compartir el link del disipador que mejoro tu enfriamiento de la Lenovo con el procesador XEON, te lo agradecería mucho.
This video reminded me that I have to clean my computer. It was 2018 since the last time I blowed the dust out. I feel like a criminal doing this to my only pc.
Hi Ozzy Freeman
Yes be very careful,, do not F* up like me :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Mojn Morten,
Jeg er stor fan af dine videoer - specielt denne, da jeg har undersøgt muligheden for netop denne opgradering. Tak for det.
HI xfhr
My channel is English, and to make sure as many as possible, can also enjoy the comments, they are also English.
Please keep to English.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thanks my dude, nice video, was considering this cute thing as a tiny htpc.
Thank You,, check out video 1000 where I make it a tiny server :-)
@@MyPlayHouse will do :)
I´m thinking on a computer for running Blender and design engineering stuff, and now you come out with this. I haven´t bought anything and now I WANT a Xeon on a tiny thing of these. Dang.
Thanks Morten.
I am not making you,,, but You know you have to :-)
A little tip: you mentioned in your video that you need a lot of thermal paste, and it's not exactly cheap! Use copper paste instead, 50 grams of which costs a maximum of 5 euros here in Germany (I've also gotten it for 3.99 euros). It works wonderfully, is electrically non-conductive and, above all, it takes almost forever for it to dry out. I've been using it for over two years and have only had good experiences with it.
Hi @ilovealbundy
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I love the M93p Tiny's. I have 3 at home, plus a M92p Tiny and I've upgraded them like you have. One of them to a 4770T and the other to a E3-1265L v3 which is very similar performance to the 1275L V3. Perfect for homelab use and/or HTPC.
Hi cheeseynz
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Always interesting Morten, thank you.
Thank you very much!
These little M93's are so handy as little PC's. I have one mounted behind my TV. They do run quite hot with the faster processors with higher TDP's
I have not heard it senses I swapped the CPU,, so this slightly less power hungry CPU is a hit!
Sweet! Those of us who like virtual machines will have fun with this.
Yes It is a good little host :-)
Sweet little project. I think I’ll give this a try.
Still working great,, and less noisy!
Interesting video. I have the same computer. Mine was bought used with the i5 processor option. When I first got it, I would hear the fan come on to full speed from time to time. I just put in a new SSD and at that time vacuumed out the head exchanger and fan (I was lucky and did not break it.) and now the fan never runs at high speed. Mine came to me a lot less dusty than yours, but even the little dust that was in it made the heat exchanger less efficient and the CPU ran hotter. Now, running at a lower speed you can''t hear it at all, but you can feel the warm exhaust. The CPU is running cooler. One feature that you may not be aware of it being able to turn it on using your keyboard with Alt, P. To have this, you will have to plug your keyboard into a particular USB port on the back of the computer. A little experimenting should get the job done.
Hi Boyd Allen
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I think I've mentioned this here before...but maybe not... Use an old electric toothbrush to clean stuff. Alternatively, if you don't have an old one, get a cheap one from a discount store. It's well worth the effort to get one.
It's common knowledge that the professional way to clean flux and junk from a PCB during/after assembly is an ultrasonic cleaner. When you have a surface that you can not submerge into an ultrasonic cleaning bath, the next best thing is to use an electric toothbrush. It works okay even if you use it dry with dust. I would be worried about static on the PCB though. I use isopropyl alcohol with it. It works well with heatsink fins and fan blades.
Most centrifugal fans have screws or bendable tabs to remove the top cover and gain access to the surfaces that need to be cleaned.
Lastly, in my teens I worked for a company that makes asphalt plants (the industrial facilities to produce the stuff used to pave roads). I worked in the computer controls department of the company. When an asphalt plant got it's controls systems upgraded there were lots of times we had to clean the computers in the control room just to add a new card into a slot. The environmental conditions for those computers are usually terrible. This was back in the early Pentium processor days. The computers we used were just standard consumer PC towers. The way we cleaned them was to take the covers off, take them outside and use a garden hose. We never had an issue. The trick is to make sure there is no water remaining when powered on. Controls upgrades take a couple of weeks to complete. So we had days available to dry them out. We also had several potential warm places to leave them to ensure they would dry out completely, plus it's a very dry dusty environment to start with. That's just a bit of an extreme example of what can be done to clean a PC in challenging conditions. I've seen PCs so dirty the dust looked like carpet that completely buried the internals. The worst were the ones where the plant operator(s) were chain smokers. The dust turns into a plastic sticky taffy like mess.
Hi Upcycle Electronics
Thank You very much! The plastic in this fan had somehow become brittle,, and did not flex at all. I think it has been running hotter because of my 54W CPU instead of the original 35W one. :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Your even pattern slow cooler screwing is exactly right. Like putting on a head gasket.
Hi Kirk Eby
Thank You very much! I have though never put on a head gasket - glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Thanks for this video! A TH-camr I watch using his M93p for retro-gaming and recommended an upgrade to an i7 CPU. Your upgrade may be a much better idea, so I'll let you know how this upgrade works for my retro-gaming setup.
Thank You,, but I am upgrading the whole machine shortly with an AMD version :-)
@@MyPlayHouse Nice! Are you planning to sell your M93p?
13:50 "I use a lot of this"
Yes, we can tell.
Hi ricky302v8
Thank You very much! It was mostly because I swap around CPU's all the time. - glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
If you are a fan of MacOs I highly recommended checking TechNolli video of OpenCore for Lenovo M93P. I turned mine into a full functioning Mac Mini. I had to buy a different WiFi card but it was well worth it. Everything works including Apple Store, iMessage and everything else. Good video by the way.
Hi Edgar
Thank You very much! That is very interesting :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
which wifi card did you go with ? thank you!
If you want to know which are the best processors for this PC in addition to help for the (m73p and m93p) they are:
i7 4765T 35w (The lowest consumption and performance of all i7 4th)
i7 4785T 35w
i7 4790T 45w
i7 4770T 45w
i7 4770S (Best in performance) 65w
i7 4790S (I don't recommend it but it can handle it) 65w+
There are xeon processors that are similar in performance but the integrated ones are not very good so to speak.
The rest of the processors (without letters or K) require modifications for the original adapter, which is a PSU (65w). I recognize that any of them are good depending on their use and most are expensive in price (all those with T) and yes. When you buy the 65w ones you have to have a good air flow type because they will heat up with the mini heatsink and fan that these 2 machines come with (I hope it helped you!!)
Hi @hpperrreo4082
Thank You very much! I did get my best performances out of a Xeon, glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I've still got an i5-4570T in mine, and it's fine for my use because it's only really going to run a server every now and then for me and a friend, but it also serves as a backup machine (it takes files off my pc, zips them without impacting my performance, and uploads them at about 400KB/s, thus it being always on is useful and not impactful on my day).
Now temps wise, disappointing. I've done quite a bit of things to find the best course of cooling. I have conductonaut or whatever the hell it is, and I haven't changed the paste since starting my testing. Also the fan I had was somewhat annoying to listen to at night, whirring that got progressively faster, then stopped and goes back to being quiet, and slowly started doing it again, every 5 seconds. Rather than replacing the proprietary fan, I went on a journey :)
Base Temperature --- 40c idle, 81c full load, with stock fan
Didn't check idle, probably 50c, 85c full load, with no fan at all
Here's the modifying part of temperatures:
50c idle, 81c with a 3d printed custom replacement mount to hold a 40x40x10mm noctua fan (disappointing really, but non proprietary and quieter)
Now the juiciest one of them all :)
30c idle, 61c under full load with an 80x80x10.8mm Akasa fan. Amazing difference. (You may get away with a 15mm thick fan, possibly 20mm at a push, but I haven't got one to try)
Note: I've also delidded my CPU, but this didn't effect temps at all with stock, thus my interest in modifying on the fan level. So don't delid, unless you're gonna do liquid metal which I do not recommend.
But it comes at a cost, I cut a hole with an 80mm cutting circle thing (I recommend less, 76-78mm, 80mm shows gaps on the edge of the fan filter, 79mm might not be less enough), drilled holes at I think was 71.5mm apart and a 5mm bit.
Cut the proprietary fan wire off, cause I'ma need that connector, soldered up a PWM female to the proprietary connector, and bobs your uncle. (I think the connector is micropico, but they're not cheap, so don't mess up the essentially free one you have)
Got a fan filter to tidy it off and voila, non proprietary fan with way better cooling. Cost wise you might ask? Well, the proprietary fan will run you from around £18 to 24, and that's used!
For the modification I did? £21.44, for the fan, fan filter, 80mm hole cutter, and PWM connector. Benefits; non proprietary fan, a 80mm hole cutter I could use for other projects, quieter, and cooler.
If you do carry out this mod yourself, please be sure to put painters tape EVERYWHERE on the panel to avoid scratches where the fan filter doesn't cover (also recommend clamping it down if you can, and wear gloves!) Also I'd recommend using calipers perhaps.
When you're lining up where the fan goes, it's simple, just position the panel properly where you want the fan to go. If anyone is interested I'd be willing to upload an image or two to imgur on my positioning.
And don't be daft and make a hole on the side with the circuit board where the fan will not be INSIDE the case like an image I saw on the forums.
Hi MoistGoat
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
friend could you share a photo or video of how you did it??, it would be great!
This video was super helpful, my m93p tiny now has Xeon 1275L power!! 😂
Glad it helped!
i settled with i5-4570T. my room temperature is anywhere from 30C - 35C. for added cooling, im ramming air to the front intake using a cheap usb fan
That is very warm,, harder to cool..
Quite impressive to source a server CPU with more cores and lower TDP. Kudos!
It is cool that it works,, they are still quite expensive.
Thanks Morten. Very useful information!
Hi Z Ack
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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The best thing to do for any older computer is to replace the spinning disk hard drive with an SSD. Not only for the actual read/write speed but more importantly the access time. I'd also suggest an absolute minimum of 8gb ram, 16gb preferred.... especially when working with chrome based browsers... they love ram :P.
Hi DigitalSparky
Thank You very much! It has an SSD,, but an extra 8GB block would be nice :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Morten, that i3 you replaced was a "T" i3-4170T series which is 35W TDP. So you increased it slightly with that newer one. Chances are you decreased the fan speed by blowing out the dust and replacing aged thermal compound. Some of the newer Tiny models will take up to 65W ones. M920x for example. (Full disclosure: I'm a Lenovo Technical Client Advisor, formerly known as an FTSS)
Hi Bob Carpenter
Thank You very much! But NO,, the origial CPU in the system was the i3-4130T 35W, I put in the i3-4170 54W and now the Xeon E3-1275L V3 45W,, so in this move I went 9W down,, but still up from the original one.
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse I never thought to use a Xeon in these, I may have to experiment too. Thanks for the clarification, I was watching it on the TV in my office. The fans run loud when they get hot. Also newer Tinys have external optional dust filters too.
@@bobcarpenter1551 Hey Bob, Seeing as you work for Lenovo (and I'm actually Tech support at Dell, but i own IBM's and Lenovo's haha), Can you tell me if a M920q Will support 71w TDP processors?
There's some decent Coffee lake Xeon's that are 4 core 8 thread with GPU, and those are the same socket (LGA1151) which would make them really attractive.
Some of the Proc's that im thinking of are: Xeon E-2144G, Xeon E-2174G, Xeon E-2244G, and Xeon E-2278GEL,
the last of which is Lower clock speed, but twice the cores and threads at half the TDP (35w).
Would any of these be likely to work in the system, especially the Xeon E-2278GEL ?
I'm currently eyeing off an M920q on Ebay thats less than a year old and still has over 2 years Warranty left, but it comes with only an i5-8500T, so im looking for a Processor upgrade for it.
@@KSSilenceAU Have you thought of using the i9-9900T? It's a 35W TDP CPU and is spec'd for that device. When you put a 65W into these things (I have an M900x with a 65W i7) the fans can get really loud. If you went that route you'll also want to get a 135W power supply, you would also a new 65W heatsink as they have more pipes in them as well and are made with more copper. The big power config Tiny is the M920x and on quick inspection, they are only 65W TDP. The Q970 doesn't support ECC and overall the i9-9900T matches most of those Xeons pretty well on benchmarks.
@@bobcarpenter1551
Apart from a single Engineering sample in Germany, i cant seem to find any i9-9900T Procs on ebay, let alone in Australia.
Noise will Not be a concern as it will be living out in the Garage as a mini server. ECC i can live without.
As such if i can get a Non T CPU that will outperform a T CPU at reasonable cost, and the machine can handle the TDP, then im happy to do that.
PSU should be non issue as well, can always use my Spare 230w PSU for my P71 while waiting on a 135w brick to show up.
What are the differences between a M920q and M920x ?
It seems that according to the PSREF PDF they are just known as M920 Tiny
psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkCentre/ThinkCentre_M920_Tiny/ThinkCentre_M920_Tiny_Spec.PDF
I've got 2 of the M93p tiny pcs, they are awesome units. I found that my both REQUIRED PC3L (low power) SODIMMS when I upgraded, as both units refused to boot with normal 1.5v non L RAM
Yes they might want some specific ram.
That is an awesome upgrade. I have the 3.5ghz E3 1270 V3 in my desktop/ light gaming pc, have used it for 4 years now in a gaming motherboard and it gets nearly the same performance as the i7 4470. I am definitely picking up a barebones lenovo and givint this a try, having that tiny thing instead of my huge tower would ve fantastic. I will put VMWare on my current system and stick it in a closet as a server :)
Hi E Squared
Thank You very much! The E3 1270 V3 is 80W so way to much for this tiny PC.
Thank you for watching! :-)
Consulta amigo, pero los xeon no tienen gráficos integrados, como hace para los juegos?
I Have fitted a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E3-1265L v3 @ 2.50GHz Cores 4 Threads 8 runs well.
Hi @user-hc6uo5fp8n
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
thanks for tips work perfecly on M73 .
Hi Sylvain
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
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Friend, please tell me. Will 1275v3 definitely work on the M73 Tiny?
@@Временный-ч9с yes no problem for my
14:03 italian: grazie al cazzo
English translation: thanks to the f*ck
How rude :-/
Would be good if you cut a hole in the case and put a massive Noctua cooler on it - the 'hot rod' look would be awesome :D
That could look crazy!! tiny PC, masiv cooler :-)
It may run even faster CPU's modified that way and with a slightly larger power supply.
The m93 and p version does not allow you to put in bigger than 65w cpus because there will be too much heat for the poor laptop fan. Whatever it is not recommended use of 65w in that as the heat rises up, recommended a maximum of 45w. Best cpu for that wattage
Biggest I have had in, used 54W,, worked for yeas.
Nice upgrade! That's a significant bump! So I guess the turbo boost and extra cores is what gets you that gain?
Yes probably,, and still 9W less,, and therefor less noise to. Awesome! :-)
I was considering this after I managed to run my m73 tiny with a standard 4570 non S/T decently stable , but what I came over is that there is a E3-1265L V4 Broadwell based on LGA1150 that costs the same as this but uses less power(35W vs 45W) and has an Iris Pro 6300 integrated GPU which is a lot more powerful then the HD4600 in the V3, so I will try that in the future, the only question is if the M73Tiny will run on a Broadwell, as that would be an incredible machine imho.
Hi Radu Craciun
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
How dit it go?
This is exactly what I was looking for. Could you do it?
Does it work? Planning to do so if it does
@@isaackyleborbon9487 never got around to trying this as the e3 is only sourceable for me on aliexpress for 200+ usd so not worth it, but it has been running ok for me with a standard 4570 in tests
I have this exact PC. But with a i5.
But I have a similar PC. Same socket same gen. But dell. With i3. This is tempting.
Hi Kirk Eby
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I noticed on Epay the CPU he uses in this video can now be bought for 40 to 50 USD from China.
Yes,, this is still a bit for a 12 year old CPU :-) But better than what I paid :-)
How about the cooling Morton? The E3 is a 65 watt CPU, and the computer is designed for 25 watts. How does it get rid of all the extra heat?
This worked fine for years!
I've been watching the video and I realized that the motherboard above the socket seems to be burned? That scares me since an i7 4770s is about to arrive that consumes 65w (TDP) (on average it eats 45w from the charger) I'm scared to open my m73p tiny and find the motherboard black
Well I have not heard of anyone,, breaking anything.
I feel like one negative of the Xeon chip is that while it may be faster you are going to loose graphics perfromance. The 4600 integrated graphics is much better than the gt1 on the xeon chip.
Hi BrooksyTech
Thank You very much! I must admit that the biggest improvement, has been the lover power usages, that has resulted in less noise :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse Good question. What is the best 4/8 core CPU that you can put in this small computer with the fast iris GPU. I'm researching this small computer for a future Hackintosh system. I saw that this Xeon has 10 GPU units, and my old 2003 macbook pro has 40 of them.
@@Rinkel80 did you find anything? I just upgraded from i5 4570t and graphics became worse
Very good video! 👍 It's a bit old, but I also have a "Lenovo M93 Tiny Desktop". I bought it about 2 years ago, but haven't used it yet. Yesterday I took a closer look at it and noticed that it only has a very slow Pentium G3220T CPU (2 cores, 2 threads). Now I want to change the CPU too. First I thought about an Intel Core i7-4765T, but after watching your video I want to get the Xeon E3 1275L V3. It's cheaper than the i7-4765T and faster too.
Maybe you can help me with two questions:
- the Xeon has a TDP of 45W, which is 10W more than the currently installed Pentium and also 10W more than the i7-4765. Does the Lenovo's cooling manage to keep the temperatures in a safe range or have you noticed problems with your system?
- Did you have any problems using the Xeon? It's actually designed for servers.
I would be very grateful if you could tell me about your experiences with the Xeon.
Yes,, I ram this PC for a few years,, until I got myself a new fast AMD,, but I still have this, and it still works!
@@MyPlayHouse Thank you!
I didn't know this guy would support these processors... looks interesting at same time daunting because of the cooling limited capabilities
The one I took out was 54W TDP and the new one is 45W TDP,, and is has been running folding@home for the last four weeks,,, going strong!
Nice a video in English about this pc
Glad to,,, hear that I make sense. :-)
Keep in mind that intel tdp is rated on cpu base clock.
Hi Steve W
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
So my 1275LV3 CPU finally arrived! I decided to try it first in my HP 800 G1. I installed it and the computer was running sluggish and with core speed averaging around 1.8 ghz. to 2.3 GHZ. Anyway, did a little searching and found that there is an E-3 12XX driver that can be downloaded. After installing the driver, the thing really took off. Peaking out at frequencies briefly of 3.7 GHZ. So that fixed the low speed aspect. The computer now plays back 8k video with ease and throttles as it should. The Score is now 5450 for the Xeon and 3240 for the i5-4590. I will check it next week in my M93P, and will see if Lenovo has a driver for it. Edit: Forgot to mention I turned up the fan idle two clicks in the HP bios. It barely gets warm.
It ran as expected in the Lenovo,,, it does not run full speed all the time.
@@MyPlayHouse Yes, it's throttled. Same on the HP, but I occasionally see it go to 3.7 GHZ. I'll see next week how the Lenovo runs with it.
Thanks for this hack! I have two of these little beauties, for which I purchased i5-4590T chips, the fastest I could get @ 35W, and of course I doubled the RAM up to the maximum. But now I have seen the guts and the cooling scheme, I would not be afraid to run the 45w XEON chip, with frequent cleaning of course (because after all a PC is basically an room air filter with computing capabilities 🤣)
i5-4590T has about 2/3 the performance of the XEON at a very good price on ebay. Will this chip gain very much for video capability?
BTW these will replace my laptops. My fingers can't get along with a laptop keyboard, so when travelling I just carry the M93P, a wireless keyboard+mouse, and use whatever monitor is available. In a hotel room I just patch it to the TV with an HDMI cable. All good!
Hi @georgelewis3047
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
DDR3L usually runs ok on standard voltages, but I guess such machine could detect and set correct voltages.. You could check that.. Damn those flimsy fans...
Well I guess so,, it still works.
Amazing video!
Will it be possible to do it with the M710Q? I saw that the Xeon E3-1270 v6 is socket FCLGA1151 (the same as my M710Q has)
I have not tried,, maybe,, try googling if anyone else has tried.
Warranty valid until used :-) - Dust removal may have helped lower fan blast.
I've got the same form factor Lenovo M715q (with AMD 2400GE) as an extra desktop. Nice small machine with good performance, and reasons for buying Intel are, well, diminishing.
Hi Johnnie Hougaard Nielsen
Thank You very much! Cool and way newer than mine!! and three screens,,, humm Now I want a new one! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Just so you know, TDP (thermal design power) refers to average heat generation of the processor and not how much electricity it will use, even though it uses watts as its energy unit. So to say a CPU has a 45W TDP just means you need a cooling device capable of dissipating 45W of heat during normal load. Now while it's generally safe to say that the higher the TDP the more electricity the CPU will use, it's inaccurate to say a 54W TDP CPU uses 9W more electricity than a 45W TDP CPU.
There is such a thing, as making it to complicated. When a CPU has a TDP of 45W, and that means that you need to cool 45W. As we are dealing with a powered component,,, no magic power or heat, is going to come from anywhere else. So This must mean that the CPU will in worst case use 45W that has to be cooled/moved away. Power used in the CPU can only become heat.
It is correct that I do not know if the new CPU uses 9W less,, and some random workload,, only that at peek power usages, it should use 9W's less.
Hello, could you run a full Passmark benchmark including the 2D and 3D video tests? I have the M73 with an i5-4570T / HD4600 just wondering about graphics performance of the XEON. I use this little PC for retro game emulation and it does very well for such a tiny form factor.
Passmark 9.0 2D= 555.3 3D= 532
I wonder if the board with the Pentium G3220T would take the Xeon. Cpu upgrade website shows the i3-4170 as direct replacement but not any Xeon although there are many Xeon 1150 socket chips.
It needs to have the right socket, and a GPU on chip. there is no GPU in the tiny,,it is in the CPU.
Gracias
Hi @saturninorosariorivera
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I've got the i5 2.9ghz model of the Lenovo ThinkCentre M93p Tiny. I just upped the RAM from 8gb to 16gb. I've been trying to find out if an i7 can fit it. I'd have to cut the case and install an external fan to help with the heat.
It currently has the stock 128gb SSD, but I plan on changing to a 1tb Samsung Evo. I'm also using a 4tb external drive atm.
And even though heat isn't really a problem now, I got a "vertical laptop stand" to hold it on its side.
Be mindful of power consumption,, small power brick and hungry CPU.
@@MyPlayHouse i7-4785T is the highest it can use (says the official specs) so that's the one I'm going for.
Did you change The bios? Because everything seems works perfect. I have a M900 with 6500T (lga 1151), but i didnt find any xeon compative.
No,, You saw all I did..
the 1275L V3 is the only other "supported" CPU upgrade for "servers" like the PowerEdge T20, hence the higher price, plus that haswell is still in demand in some manner for upgrades.
I have a T20 and it is absolute garbage. the heatsink is terrible compared to other offerings for instance, and while it CAN take higher power CPU options, the laughable heatsink will fail to keep them cool.
Hi Sudos
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
where can I find the CPU supported list of this machine ?
Not heard about sutch a list.
ES= Engineering Sample. Not good. You should have the same amount of memory in both channels. Thanks for the video!
Hi Rchak
Thank You very much! Might be why it was cheap,, yes balanced ram! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Hi, I want to buy an m93 for use as a small proxmox node. The manual says that max RAM is 16gb. This xeon model does support max 32gb RAM. Can 32 gb RAM be used in this m93 with xeon processor?
I do not know if 32GB will work,, and that RAM is usually rather expensive.
That's exactly my plan, xeon but only 16gb for proxmox
Hi. what temps did you got with the I3-4170 and with the Xeon, doing some basic stuff? Thank you
Sorry,, I do not recall :-/
Hi Morten, Excellent video. Love these machines as well. Any idea whether the same upgrades can be done with an M92 as opposed to an M93 please? Not entirely sure what the difference is between these two models however guess there's little difference. Keep up the great content.
I do not know,, I do not have the M92
@@MyPlayHouse No problem. Fair comment. Agree this are fantastic machines however.
@@buildfrom m92 is LGA 1155, cheaper to buy but earlier CPU, M93 is Haswell LGA 1150, later has much better graphics I believe too.
Can you pls. Make a video of how to install drivers on lenovo m93p tiny.
Check out "Lenovo Vantage"
If you spent just a little bit more money you could have had an i7 4790k and got quite a bit more performance. Assuming the motherboard and cooler can handle the extra power and heat.
I do not think a 88W TDP CPU will do well in a PC where the power supply is 65W :-/
@@MyPlayHouse Ohh, I assumed it would be at least 100W.
I currently run an 84w i5 4570 inside one of these with a 90w power supply, the bigger issue is the TDP/heat, this is a really tiny case thus a 4790k would thermal trottle a lot, this is cooled by a laptop style blower and there is virtually 0 airflow so a high power CPU is really limited a lot more by this than power supply etc., you need quite a cool CPU for these gems.
@@crhro You sure thats not the 4570T? Pretty sure these things don't let you use anything beyond 48W
@@Interknetz yes i am pretty sure as this used to be my main CPU for years , the M73 does seem to limit it's power use but it does run close to its advertised frequency and without any stability issues @ 80C under OCCT. Also these do run a lot more than what they are supposed to , with god knows what limitations, but I also got mine with a 90w PSU instead of 60w.
Did you update bios before installation? My m93p does not want to recognize that cpu.
Sorry I do really not remember.
Sounds like it has gained a turbo speed :-D
Hopefully the ram speed is optimal for the cpu, otherwise you might lose a tiny tiny bit of speed, you must have that extra bit lol.
Runs very well and quite.. :-)
How you can live with only 6gig of RAM is completely beyond me.
He doesn't play games (surely not on this little tiny beast PC ;) ) So 6GB of RAM is quite ok for netsurfing and stuff.
Hi Mike Bruschke
Thank You very much! Heavy stuff is moved to powerful servers :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
Ideally should use 2x8gb or 2x2gb as your running the ram In flex or just single channel mode with 4gb + 2gb
Even the most memory hungry of games use maybe 10gb...unless rendering 3D animation or cam, 6gb should be fine. Especially on a tiny pc.
@@THRobinson it's more about the optimal way different size ram can end up running in single channel mode (it's only less then 1% but all helps)
Lenovo desktops and laptops are excellent for upgrading, I have an M73 tower and a rather old T420 laptop, the T420 is STILL an excellent performer.
My M73 minitower has been upgraded with an i5-4590 and a GTX1050ti 4gb.....it can handle most modern games at 1080p....
Hi Stephen Cleeve
Thank You very much! There are lots of options, if you are not limited by the little power and cooling in this tiny M93 :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I'm still using my old T520 as my main machine (with a RAM and HDD upgrade and a new battery). It's performing fine for what I'm using it for.
@@MyPlayHouse True, thank you for replying Morten, your content is excellent my friend
Hey there 3 years later here I am trying to do the same as you did.
I'm trying to buy a compatible Xeon online...will this one work?
E3-1275 V3 (SR14S) 3.50GHz
Thanks in advance.
It needed to be the same socket, and have a built in GPU.
@@MyPlayHouse I've read that the CPUs ending in 5 have them...great! What is the top watts that the CPU can use? Thanks in advance, subscribed :)
Nice update !
Hi Matias M.
Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
Thank you for watching! :-)
I have three M93p tiny like yours and all of them with i5-4570T. All of them gets pretty "loud" hot under no heavy load circustances, like seeing 1080p videos on youtube. I think this machines are pretty good, but the i5-4570T is a little more hot than others models. Did you had this issue too?
Cheers
I did find that after putting in this XEON,, it got less noisy :-) But this was a bit expensive.
@@MyPlayHouse yes. An i3-4130T do the job for small things and is much better in terms of TPD( I tested trata CPU on this particular machine)
Cheers!
Can y'all explain the differences between a M93 and a M93p?
Thanks!
No,, I would also like to know :-/
Did you run into cpu clock speed problems? How many watts is your power supply?
The power supply is 65w.
@@MyPlayHouse I got the same power supply. My processor is i5 4670k base speed is 3.4Ghz but peaking at only 2.89 at full load.
@@johnmarcalfaro8174 the socket is limited to 45w cpus.
do I need to reinstall my OS after upgrading my CPU ?
I did not have to.. I would not expect so.
Hi Morten. What is the power adapter wattage that you use?
I believe it´s 60W
@@MyPlayHouse Thank you. I am installing the i7 4785t today, so i am curious will my 65w power bank be enough.
hi, does this machine have a slot for a dedicated videocard or we have to rely only in the onboard one?
It had a slot for a internal WiFi card,, and maybe that can be used for an external GPU.
Does this can work with a Lenovo M720q? I got this tiny bad boy for free and my original plan is to upgrade to an i9 9900t and add 8gigs of ram and a m2.
You can most likely upgrade the CPU,, but it is most likely a newer socket.
Is this CPU works with M73 Tiny?
If the socket in the M73 is the same,, there is a good chance.. but google it! :-)
Any news on if you can do this to a m73 Tiny PC?
Google it,, and you will see,, the latest :-)
woot woot another video to go with my coffee :)
Double the speed,, better time to enjoy your coffee :-)
This cpu will fit m93p sff?
Yes,, that is the same.
I can't believe you were running a 54Watt cpu in it. Could have also gone with a i7-4785T, its 35Watts and only around 12% slower in benchmarks compared to what you ended up with.
It was the fastest CPU I could get,, at that time :-)
@@MyPlayHouse I just picked on up the XEON E3-1275L V3, totally regret it. (Sold it) With Batocera I get way better overall performance with the I7-4785T. The IGP is only GT1 on the XEON E3-1275L V3 and GT2 on the I7-4785T. You can forget about playing Naomi 2, Playstation 2, Gamecube and Wii games with the XEON E3-1275L V3
@@chrisw8069 yeah I regret it also, installed instead of i5. Looking for new CPU now
@@chrisw8069Thanks mate. You saved me the time and trouble finding one for my batocera build. I will stick with my i5-4590T for now.
lol holy sh!t you went full Peter North on the MX4 didn't you.
Maybe :-) I do not know what that means :-/
@@MyPlayHouse LOL
Es compatible con Lenovo M73 Tiny?
Sorry,, I do not know..
Would this upgrade enable the machine to play pinball fx3 at 60fps? I have the i5 version of the m93p and can only get between 28-30 fps running fx3.
:-) how should I know,, but do let me know if you test it out :-)
I noticed you had discord, do you have a myplayhouse server? is it available to all or just patreon? (I couldn't find any links to it). Cheers mate, love your stuff.
Yes I have Discord,,, I do not know how to use it yet :-/
@@MyPlayHouse nice, if you need a hand let me know, my discord id is: DigitalSparky#5803 - you should be able to find me by clicking on the 'find or start a conversation button in the home section, then entering my user there. I can help you set things up from there if you like. :)
My PlayHouse
Create a account, and even I can help you a bit on Discord!
Will this work in a m93p sff?
I would expect so,, if it has the same socket.
How about trying to put 32 gb of memory in it (16+16)? The Q87 chipset is compatible, and the XEON cpu is compatible. The M93p Tiny stock configuration maxed out at 8+8 gb. Perhaps it may wotk with 32 gb? I have one of these rinning the same XEON processor but I haven't upgraded the memory yet.
Hi JohnBon Ham
Thank You very much! Yessss I do really not need 32GB,, but I do see how it could be cool to do humm...
Thank you for watching! :-)
@@MyPlayHouse These machines are known to support 32GB Without issues, plenty of posts on the lenovo forums about it, as ive been looking myself, because im tossing up between a M93p Tiny, or the successor a M920q Tiny which officially supports 32GB, but will take 64GB with the right So-Dimms.
@@KSSilenceAU Can you provide a link about 32GB RAM support that you've seen, as I've been looking for ages, with lots of people asking but nobody conclusively giving any evidence. Don't confuse M93P SFF with M93P Tiny.
Have same set up is that only cpu for it. ??
No there are other models available,, but this was the fastest I could find.
I've been using one of these for a couple years, absolutely love it.
Have you tried to over clock it, turbo boost?
No I do not think the system board can do that.
Support Xeon E3-1280 V3 ??? Thanx
That one it 82watt,,, I think that is too much.
Can you game with build in XEON E3-1275L GPU? Can you run GTA 5 at minimum graphic setting?
Doubt it. I have i5 4590, GT1030 w/2GB GDDR5 in a Dell optiplex sff and it's pretty good for GTA 5 @1080p medium high no AA. But I don't think R* lists any integrated graphics as capable. You might do OK with Ryzen APU, but forget about that game on this build entirely. Pretty sure no.
I do not think this is much of a gaming PC :-/
@10:02 how much did that shipment cost him? not the cost of the CPU itself, the parcel and what country did he ship it to?
It came from China,, believe there was free shipping.
Thank you for your quick response, but I didn't mean the xeon, I meant the gifted one, I am aiming at something here, I tried shipping a broken screen back to China and it would've cost a fortune so I took the loss and carried on, I imagine that doesn't happen in Western countries since every single western channel especially tech oriented ones get stuff sent to them all the time, I just wanted to know if shipping from Australia to wherever you are was cheaper than the CPU itself.
@@lmnarutothelastairbender English-speaking countries seem to have very expensive shipping. Not so Europe and China.
bruh that fan, dont ever use compresor to clean pc's or phone mic speaker, they are delicate
Reminds me that my compressor died,, I need to do something about that... to.
Can you pls tell me what cpu upgrades i can do on the lenovo thinkcentre m72e tiny
Sorry I do not have that model.
Under load , how about the cpu temp???
It keeps cooler, the fan runs way less.
would this work with an existing hackintosh ?
I would think so,, But I have not tried.