0:00 - Podcast begins with over-indulgence with Cannabis and other various 3:40 - People exhibiting addictive behaviour with psychedelics 8:45 - Drugs being immoral / Carfentanil being a thousand times stronger than Fentanyl 15:00 - Kratom & Ibogaine 17:30 - Some U.S. states applying for provisional allowance for Ibogaine clinics / Jeff Sessions & the war on drugs 22:15 - Dennis' 50th anniversary conference celebrating psychedelics research ESPD50 32:00 - Salvia 34:40 - Ari Shaffir's Salvia experience 37:55 - DMT and The Sonoran toad / people licking toads 41:20 - The painting sent to Joe by Shawn Thornton who has a Pineal Gland tumor / new studio building 43:55 - The pinecone statue at the Vatican representing the Pineal Gland 49:00 - When Joe experienced effects of a trip from yoga / The Ajna Light 1:00:00 - The similarity between DMT and Tryptophan 1:04:55 - Why ingesting DMT by itself gets broken down / what Ayahuasca is mixed with to produce the effect 1:11:45 - Harmine originally being called Telepathine 1:20:00 - Isolating single compounds from plants for health benefits, where multiple compounds from one plant work synergistically 1:25:00 - Patenting formulas for mixing together a plant medicine like Ayahuasca 1:29:10 - Joe likens pharmaceutical companies to the tale of the scorpion and the frog 1:31:50 - The two religious bodies allowed to utilise Ayahuasca in the U.S. (UDV & Santo Daime) 1:40:50 - The person to seize / manipulate a power structure usually being a man, ref: Amber Lyon's experience 1:43:10 - The moral obligation attached to Ayahuasca / plant medicines. How Ayahuasca might need to be administered to Donald Trump 1:46:00 - Joe thinking of people as 'babies' / Donald Trump's lieing about his own results 2:00:00 - Joe's friend who was accosted arbitrarily by an immigration entity 2:09:00 - The terminology of 'drugs' being ambiguous / we (humans) being made of drugs 2:14:30 - Fake Shaman and sharlatans 2:20:45 - 'Runner's High' mimicing the effects of Cannabis - context from 2:15:55 2:24:45 - Life experiences & chemistry / chemistry & love affairs 2:27:15 - The story from Terrence McKenna of the monk that studied levitation / The relationship between mushrooms (psilocybin) and absorption of DMT 2:30:55 - Joe tells about kickboxers using Psilocybin and his friend who is able to anticipate opponents' moves while on Psilocybin 2:39:40 - The DMT experience memories dissipating quickly 2:43:00 - The ESPD50 Conference on June 6th, 7th, and 8th 2017
Plants have an amazing ability to connect people. Example, I have bought my flat (because I am old and settled), but the flat next door is rented mostly by young students. I grow herbs on my balcony (organically) and when they are prolific, I give them to my neighbours to add to their food. As soon as I do that, then I receive all sorts of little gifts back, and when the neighbours move on (usually because they have finished their uni degree) they always site "my little garden" as being a big part of the joy of living here. Ps my balcony is tiny, but the plants love it. We can create a piece of paradise anywhere if we try. Even non psychedelic plants have a big effect on humans.
So nice to hear older person with a positive attitude to the young.......that keep's your mind bright and flexible. I was lucky enough to have parents like that and now I'm the same.
I was on heroin off and on for 10 yrs . i failed on methadone and every treatment program there is ... Then i went to texas . stayed in the middle of no where got clean .. After a few months i took penis envy mushrooms which are psilocybin and after I tripped my face off on those one time I have not used any hard drugs in 4 years not only have I not use them but I have been around them and it is no longer a problem for me it completely reset me like I had never used opiates before I did not notice this really until a few months after the trip also my anxiety went away and my depression went completely away it's like I forgave myself for everything and moved on
Jesse Rush thats really cool. I wish that there was more science and information backing the medicinal use of psychedelics. Glad to hear you pushed through your addiction though!
I was at a very high end pain clinic, and when I got back to the resort every evening, I started researching Kratom and then I ordered some. I was on some heavy narcotics, and so was everyone else at the clinic. It worked so well for me, I ordered a shit load and handed it out for free to my fellow patients. The health care people had never heard of it, nor wanted to hear about it. One guy I gave it to was on a couple hundred ml. of Oxycontin. The day after I gave him a batch he came up to me almost in tears, he was blown away by how well it worked. Everyone I gave it to came back with the same story.
And I don't know if I buy that cuz if they already have pain pills in their system the kratom is not powerful enough to overcome what is in their system are ready and be effective now if they didn't have narcotics opiates in their system and used it then sure I could see it working I'm a heroin addict in recovery and when I did have heroin in my system Kratom did not work for me at all so I don't know if I buy your story not saying you're a liar I just don't believe that they would work when somebody already has a high dose of narcotic opiates in their system
@@shaneknerr7030 I agree with you 100 percent. Kratom attaches to the same receptor in the brain as narcotics, thus giving a slight feeling of taking a pain med, or heroin, so if you take them while on a strong narcotic, you will feel nothing. Even if you take it the next day, the tolerance level will not allow you to feel that small amount of kratom. You also cannot keep taking kratom to feel more effective, at some point, you will get a headache and maybe even vomit. I gave Kratom to a recovering heroin addict, hoping to curb his pain, he ended up using up to a kilo per two days, even after I told him Kratom will stop working very fast, the tolerance builds up very fast. Kratom works as a mild pain reliever, but it is not a substitute for anyone a large amount of pain killers or even heroin. It will relieve withdrawal symptoms to a very small degree. Glad you are clean bud!!
Unless these people have read through several drug related forums, like erowid or the late and most beloved TOTSE among many others, they will not understand SWIM or SWIY.
The McKenna's have been great assets and advocates for the psychedelics for a long time. Awesome work! RIL Terrance. Keep it pushing Dennis. Keep funneling great guests, Joe.
Arun Dhanjal I saw that on H3H3's sub reddit it was just flooded with people wanting Adam on, so hes most likely making an appearance there. Hopefully it snowballs and hes able to get on JRE.
@@glitchinthematrix555 Awe c'mon he's not that bad infact I think he is a good guy and he isn't even weird he just has different mannerisms but I do think he makes shit a little deeper than they actually are for dramatics.
Just another person adding that Kratom also saved my life. I live with pain daily after a car crash 5 years ago. I regularly attend a pain clinic where i am prescribed Narcotic pain pills. Kratom allowed me to completely stop taking the pills, now i take Kratom 2-3 times per day, I do not feel intoxicated and my pain is MUCH better. Best part, I can stop taking it and i have almost no side effects or withdrawal. Recently I traveled overseas for 1-month, I went from dosage of 3 times a day to nothing, and had almost no withdrawal effects. I have had worse withdrawal effects for anti-depressants i was also prescribed, hell i have worse withdrawals from coffee...
Kratom withdrawal can be really really difficult though. Glad you haven't experienced much difficulty but others shouldn't read this expecting Kratom to be something you can just take and quit whenever you'd like. (though the withdrawals are definitely better than those of what it substitutes)
meth is only bad if ABUSED. If you smoke crystal and stay up days at a time, thats abuse. But for a narcoleptic taking 5mg desoxyn to stay awake all day, or an extremely obese person taking a small amount to curb their appetite, it can be a lifesaver. Meth isnt bad, its just very very easy to abuse, and 99% of people who try it cant control it. Dont do meth, but there is a reason it IS LEGAL under US Law for doctors to prescribe.
I have never done meth due to parents having their struggles. I don't like being around people who actively use meth....BUT, I always wonder if amphetamines could be used responsibly...and maybe that's not meth...but shit, sometimes I wish I could have some energy, focus, perhaps dumbfounded sense of excitement that meth seems to be contributed with...I will continue to wonder.
The production of black market methamphetamine blows my mind. Now I'm pretty much with Dennis on the whole "There is no bad drug" mindset, but when it comes to the toxic stew needed to produce this particular drug, I can't help but think that it's inherently negative.
There is, its called rythmia in Costa Rica, they give Ayahuasca to all the people who visit also yoga and breath work and a healthy plant based diet while your stay, check it out
He has a very different voice from Terence, but they still have a very similar manner of speaking, like how they emphasize certain words and syllables.
Same here. Salvia was my first experience in that department. Low potency, my sense of proprioception was all messed up, felt like my consciousness, in relation to my body, was out of joint, and so even though I was standing up straight it felt like I was leaning back for some reason, so I sat down. All in all it felt like my surroundings were further away, in a different realm so to speak. Lasted maybe 10 minutes, followed shortly after by a throbbing headache that subsided maybe 2 hours later. The experience was cool, but not worth the headache! Never again, I said to myself.
Cybernetĩc gsǖs Lol no kidding. The thing that had me taking salvia in the first place was wanting answers to the heaviest questions that exist, but my only mistake there was taking too much, or you could say too much of too high of an extract, so as soon as I crossed through the membrane-like veil I was shot past the beautiful "we're all one and all unique, and your thoughts and intents and expectations play a role in the bigger picture of what happens in a very real way" straight to something I'll try to describe separate from this already run-on sentence. Under too much salvinorin-alpha, it's something worse than a physically torturistic hell, because (if anything like my too-much salvia dose), you are convinced that you just fucked up sooooo hard in that you just metaphorically cut your timespace continuum into a Klein bottle kind of thing in 4 spacial dimensions such that a finite amount of timespace just looped into itself somehow doomed to repeat forever, such that moments before repeating from its beginning you only then realize what you've done and it's already too late to stop because your realization of the time loop fuck up aligns with events that flow back through the loop seemingly indefinitely. It's much worse than it might sound, it is beyond description shit, so when God or some mystery troop of hyperdimensional awareness helps to undo the fuckup after what seems like aeons of this agonizing four minute loop, you are sooooo thankful to be sober l. Holy shit it's the most humbling!
I took salvia and was fine because i think most do it way wrong. Take a verysmall amount of salvia then when you feel ready do a little higher dose to get into the trip without falling.
I feel like Fear Factor, UFC, and the JRE podcast are all just the very beginning for Mr. Rogan. He was put on this earth to do something greater. Mark my words this man is at the very start of his journey. He still has another 30-40 years to live, and I can’t wait to see his next endeavor. Whether it’s politics, medicine, health... he would be extremely helpful in any field he chooses to pursue.
Every 2 weeks on psilocybe cubensis...it has changed my life...the horrendous depression is gone and hasn’t come back since I started doing this...the internal battle with suicide is completely gone !!!
He recently mentioned the red room 'ufo' studio is temporary, and was put together as a go between to handle the podcast after the move - until he eventually gets the new studio put together. He also mentioned having a 'flying/floating through space' background, maybe with a green screen or some other means.
We need an updated 2020 episode with Dennis! I'm really curious what he has to say now with the pandemic, election, and drugs decriminalized in Oregon.
I take a day or two off every 2 weeks usually. Helps keep my tolerance fairly low and reassures me im not addicted to it because while weed itself may not be addictive humans definitely can be addicted to pretty much anything including weed so its good to take a break sometimes just to kinda prove to yourself you don't need it sometimes.
@@memeking9926 its all a corporate scam... paper companies led to the banning of weed/hemp, 50 morre years later, its tyrone in prison for trying to fill the gap created by white flight and organized denial of economic activity in black areas by selling marijuana to his fellow citizens
i grow tomatoes corn bell peppers zuchini squash radishes but weed is still illegal to grow. i am praying in the next 10 years ill be able to grow my own bud and make my own cartridges of 🔥 concentrate. that will be so exciting 👌
No, currently the (nationalism) or nation state model has not failed though it is close to failing. When it does, say goodbye to ALL FREEDOMS. The nation state and nationalism as a model with the nation state as the absolute highest sovereign is the BEST MODEL to have multiple cultures on Earth at the same time peacefully. Corporations WANT a communist global government technocracy, but they HAVE NOT YET SUCCEEDED. If they do, its OVER MAN. Trump is holding us up as a SOVEREIGN NATION, and for all his BS, that is his saving grace. Governments ARENT PUPPETS YET. TRUMP PROVES THIS. ISIS wants a Caliphate (globalist) Hitler wanted Germany to run the world (globalist) Communism wants to run the world (globalist) Truth is nationalism is the only system along with capitalism that has provided much productivity and wealth for the common man, and is the system of government that causes the LEAST amount of democide. Nazis and communists were and are globalists, islam is globalist. I agree that malignant nationalism, believing your country is better than all others, absolutely can be poison, as with many nationalists over history. And of course the idea that your race or ethnic background being superior is also an ignorant dangerous ideology. But the system of having nations and a nation state as the absolute sovereign is the best most peaceful way to have multiple cultures on Earth, so Nationalism IS A GOOD THING. Globalism, or having one giant communist dictatorship, is a system that would cause FAR more TERROR. Im from the USA and I think its the best, but only because we have the Bill of Rights and Freedom of Speech, and no other country can compare with our level of freedom. But its like rooting for your team in a football game, all the teams, and certainly the players (individuals) matter and are sovereign. And im from here, so its my favorite, but if yours is another, im cool with that, just dont be fooled by all the international corporate propaganda that wants a global state, because NATIONALISM WORKS.
@@BenSmith-jw8zy Completely disagree with most of what you said but im not getting into a long debate because its pointless. Also "no country compares to the level of freedom in the USA" is the most American thing ive ever heard. Are you stupid or just not travelled much? What about the UK? New Zealand? Australia? The whole of Scandinavian? France? Germany? Austria? Spain? Portugal? Japan? Get over yourselves your country isn't that great honestly. Bunch of self righteous arseholes imo. Your countries the equivalent of the school yard bully and thats all.
@@whatwentwrong4599 ALL THE COUNTRIES YOU SPOKE OF HAVE HATE SPEECH LAWS. SO I AM CORRECT. We PROTECT most of the world, how dare you say we are bullies! Hell over half the countries you mentioned we pay their defense!!! Damn right you dont want to get into a long debate because ANYONE who read what I wrote that has a brain that isnt COMPLETELY PROPAGANDIZED by international globalist communism KNOWS EVERYTHING I SAID IS FACTUAL. The only self righteous one is someone who would INSULT a country that defends FREEDOM the world around! Japan BANS MUSLIMS, we STILL DEFEND THEM. LEARN HISTORY BEFORE YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO DEBATE SOMEONE WHO KNOWS IT.
@@whatwentwrong4599 I will agree that the private central banks DO HAVE all countries under their debt slavery however, that is correct. But central banks dont have nuclear and space weapons as our military does, so i guess it depends on what you mean by "run" when you say run the world.
as joe takled about microdosing psilocybin and that some fighters take it "to know" what will happen moments before is so true. i had that feeling once too as i was on mushrooms. i knew my best friend will come and visit me so i got up and opened the door just secounds before he was about to knock on it. i wasnt expecting anyone at all at this day so i was fking shocked as he was standing there. (No matter what dose you do there is something strange sometimes)
I once guessed 6 'Guess Who' cards my gf at the time had whilst playing the game high af. I was so lazer focused it was unreal. We were both completely shocked by how accurate I was time guess after guess. It's like I could read her mind. A peculiar experience where I just 'knew' the card. I didn't hear anything whisperer etc. I then picked up a radom card and looked at it and 'projected it to her using my mind' and she guessed it right!! Not even joking. We were totally freaked out.
@@alib6936 yoga, meditation, prayer, faith etc all tap into a similar 'state of consciousness'. Psilocybin unlocks the gateway to the altered state of consciousness, but you do not learn gradually.. You're fully immersed - it's amazing when done properly.
I had an experience with 4 friends around a campfire where we felt we could telepathically communicate. We didnt talk for 30 minutes yet it felt like we had a lengthy conversation hahaha. Stuff is amazing.
Loved this quote from Joe @ 2:15:00 "One of the most beautiful things that psychedelic drugs do is they dissolve any notion that you might have that anyone has a hold of this thing."
Lucas Howlett I just watched a Terrence McKenna lecture where he said the exact same thing I wonder if it's weird coincidence or subconscious rip off or conscious rip off or original thought
Oh course is took it from Terrence xD but its obvious that its a teaching he took from terrence, although regardless i believe its good to carry on the teachings especially on lines like this.
"I would never be a member of any group that would have me." That is a truly beautiful quote. Heard that one a long time ago. Thanks for the reminder. Psychedelics are beautiful too. I get it & all this bullshit around me is very disappointing. Psychopaths & idiots. Thank you JRE. I am very happy that we have come a long way with research & understanding this stuff. Thank you Joe, Dennis & Terrence. Thank you all who contribute to the awakening of our depraved society.
If Terence Mckenna made an appearance in this show, time itself would shift out of proportion and the universe would explode then destroy all dimensions
I've heard of the flickering light technique before. It's pretty cool, I saw an egg being cracked in full 3D in front of my eyes when I accidentally tried it. I'm sure his version is good, though I feel like you could basically reproduce the effect with a smartphone app and perhaps an LED bulb, instead of a 3000 dollar lamp.
Dylan Forman hell yeah dude, I'm currently shopping for a home and would LOVE to showcase some of his work inside....not an easy find tho unfortunately lol
Yea, right now with all the covid crap and having to work at home, I can't smoke cannabis. I tried lol. For about 2.5 months, nonstop, high all the time. Once I ran out, I could barely function because the anxiety was so insane. Felt like the world was collapsing lol. Didn't expect to achieve any level of dependence with it, but I definitely did. Took a good couple weeks to feel like I got over it.
The people that believe in The War on Drugs think it was and will again be a smashing success. They became rich. That trillion dollars went into their pockets. They prisons are filled. Their friends that own the for-profit prisons are wealthy. That’s their goal. They don’t give a damn about saving lives. They’re sociopaths driven by greed
This. The war on drugs was a smashing success once you realize it was always about removing undesirable persons (blacks, mexicans and anti-war white kids at the time of the inception of the dea) and creating unlimited sources of dark cash for the cia to wreak havoc at home and far abroad. Smashing success.
Exactly they know its a war they can never win its not ment to be won its ment to take tax payers money for jobs for the soverant its a money grab i mean they play both sides we know this to be fact its crazy that they get away with this
no, its not. and dont use 'powerful' regularly as an adjective. you sound like a stupid roided out bald douche who smoked his first joint after the age of 40.
trolling? if you want to be a tool thats on you, im high af. but its a controllable high,. i dont have the tolerance of a 40+ yr old juicehead who recently discovered weed and psychadelics. still wondering if he had a life in high school. he would be way less annoying and probably ouldnt wear hoodies everyday and wear teenage bro shirts.
I took Dennis's advice (two weeks ago) from a clip of this video, on reading the book "plant intelligence and the imaginal realm" - ISBN: 1591431352. So far, I'm not even 25% through it and I'm blown away by the information and knowledge within. Without having read Aldous Huxley (yet), I now understand what he meant by the "doors of perception" and what sensory gating really is... Dennis talks about quite a few interesting things in this video that are well covered by that book, which I recommend to anyone who enjoyed this video. He too talks about self-organized, flow dependent structures, Gaia, bacterial organization, communications, etc.. I am hooked on this book ever since I started reading it. And to think, I was going to skip it because I thought the cover makes looked like a gardening book about flowers or something lame - so far from it and I'm so glad I didn't ignore it. As it turns out too, this book is basically one of a series. There's no doubt I'll be buying them all once I'm done. Anyone familiar with Dr. Bob Melamede's lectures on thermodynamic flow dependent structures far from equilibrium theory, the EndoCannabinoid System, Psychedelics / Psychonautics, bio-chemistry, neuropsychopharmacology, cannabis or "drugs" as we call them, gardening, etc. would really like this book. Thanks for posting this video!
Yeah Stephen Buhner is great! I really like 'The Lost Language of Plants: The Ecological Importance of Plant Medicines for Life on Earth' which is the only book I've read by him. I did start to read the book you mentioned but got distracted and haven't read it for awhile. Thanks for reminding me!
Agreed. I used Buhner's "Healing Lymes" to heal my lymes disease, and although extremely well researched, you know he uses the sensorium to "communicate" with the herbs that he recommends and explore their uses. It's all been part of a change in paradigm that honors the inter-connectedness of all and the ability to perceive this.
Just checked out that book and it looks exactly like the type of stuff I’m trying to read at the moment, so I’ll take your received advice myself. Thank you! 🌱
My grandma smoked pot for over 40 years.She also drank old charter with sevenup and dipped Levi Garrett snuff until the day she died,at almost 80.She was a school teacher, Sunday school teacher, business owner and helped hundreds and hundreds of people but in certain people's eyes she's "not a good person". I guarandamntee you she did more good than sessions ever has or will.Fuck Jeff sessions!
@@L.ATRAFFICNMADNESS yep, and beat cancer twice, second time she has a double mastectomy. Only smoked J's and she had a couple glass bowls. Her diet was amazing, she grew all the vegetables she ate, and my dad are grandad got the majority of meat and fish. So the first 60 years she ate farm/woods/water to table.
Please invite Ann Shulgin on the show. I bet she'd do it. She is 86, though, so hop to it. I wish Sasha was still around. Maybe have McKenna or a chemist join her on the episode.
Joe Rogan you are wise beyond your years and an amazing person. I have listened to your podcast all this year, old and new, you always make me learn something on my own. This podcast is amazing because I struggle with opiate addiction and have for 15 years but I am a very functional addict. Professionally in public I am a lead cook but I have been a professional addict until these past few years because it started to wear on me. I have taken suboxone for a couple years to help with my addiction but it seems to take the same schedule out of my life. I read about kratom from a random article December 2016 that gave me a little bit of hope. I than started listening to your podcasts and just your outlook on life gave me hope and now listening ba few months late, to this podcast you have given me a little more drive to have more self control. I would just like to praise you for being you and always seeking knowledge for the sake of knowing. Thank you for being an inspiration whether you know it or not.
love this man... he seems a sweeter, more good-hearted version of his poet-brother. His inflections and sense of humour seem to be shared with Terrence -- and it is so lovely to observe those similarities shared only by siblings. Much, much love and blessings on your path, Dennis -- it is so necessary and helpful for the Healing of the Planet.
“There will be so much dug up on Trump with Russia and collusion that they will impeach him for all the horrible stuff he is doing” That quote did not age well.
I really hated how he went on about Trump but not for any political reason. Just the fact that he is passing himself off as a serious scientist and researcher only to give his “authoritative” opinion on someone he does not know. What’s more is he claims he knows what the best method of treatment is for someone’s mental health is undoubtedly unaware of. It would be like a psychiatrist seriously giving a diagnosis and treatment of James Earl Jones while only looking at his performance as Darth Vader - that is insane and it’s a shame Rogan fed this guy’s delusion. But that is 2020 for you, claim trump is negative for literally any reason real or fictional, and you too can be an “expert” with a valid opinion.
@@michaelstjohn4665 "Now journalists are questioning everything." I'm sorry what? What planet is he living on? I love listening to both McKennas but I'm routinely disappointed by the political savvy of prominent psychonauts.
There is hardly any comments about just what a great guest Dennis Mckenna is and his amazing knowledge on the brain and its functions regarding mind-altering psychedelics etc plus the flow of the convo is like Joe and Dennis are 2 old friends chatting in the pub...one of the better JREs of recent times... plus mad respect for Dennis's brother Terrence what a pioneer and Psyconaught he was such a legend he'll be dancing with the Gnomes and Angels somewhere in heaven watching down
I smoothed a gravel road out with my eyes and went skateboarding down it. I did the same thing to my gnarled pinky finger and it straightened right out. I walked along the top of a wire fence as easily as walking down a sidewalk. I saw an Angel and a white sphere fly over my yard. I bought a new album, started singing along, knowing all the words even though I've never heard it before. I've had purple clouds come out of my eyes. Sometimes when I'm laying in bed at night I can see a very light blue light glowing from my eyes, more like from behind my eyes. A few weeks ago I was singing along to Alice In Chains Unplugged when the room started flashing dark. It continued for the last fifteen to twenty minutes of the album, it happened again a few days ago when I was talking about some people I love. Twice I've had a television screen appear inside my eyelid, the first it just showed a dragon galloping on top of clouds, the second time the Archangel Michael said, "There's a video screen, Eli", and sure as shit one materialized before my very eyes. The image was in black and orange instead of black and white and it depicted a man working on something in a shop. I couldn't see what, but he walked out from behind a table and sat down at a machine in the foreground. I should have told you first that Angels speak to me through me. They played pure Hell trying to make contact. I thought I was being possessed, thought I was going to lose myself to them, so I fought against it for years before I finally realized they weren't trying to hurt me, so I just let go of myself and let them talk. I wanted to hear what they had to say. There were times in the past where my skull has crackled and split and I had to tap it back into place. As soon as I did I'd have great clarity. It also moves and shifts around. Sometimes my ear canals will be up to two inches off, one higher, one lower. I think my skull kind of like the crystal egg I found at a friends house. One day I took it off the shelf and to my delight I discovered that by rubbing it I could fuse the interior facets of the crystal, but when I'd bump it, it would crack apart. I wanted it to stay clear, I tried rubbing it in water and that seemed to help, needing somewhere soft and wet, I put it in my mouth. Once in there, the crystal egg flattened out on my tongue like it was made of Silly Putty and crawled down my throat like and inch worm. Weird, huh? Oh, and don't let me forget all the syncronicities I witnessed, in music and television. I'd be watching T.V. and listening to music and it would look as though the people on television were singing the songs I was playing, every syllable matching their lips perfectly, this made me think some crazy shit, like that God was broadcasting my music over the airwaves, so I had my fun with it thinking that, I knew what I was by that time and figured that's just how it's done. Twitter. Twitter sucked with syncronicities. Every post would describe me and what was going on in my life, it wasn't craziness, it wasn't paranoia it all made sense, I could have sat you down and explained how what the people were saying pertained to me. When this stuff happened I was under the impression that the whole world knew about me and that God was keeping them under control from addressing me directly. So I tried using these powers to put on a show for everybody. I'd play guitar and sing night after night trying to spread my message of love to the world. I thought everybody could hear me, people were always saying to me, "I hear ya." So I believed everyone always could. Seemed like everyone I'd talked to would say they hear me. It wasn't delusional, I had plenty of reason for my beliefs, it was syncronicity. I was made to believe it was that way. I even had a friend of mine sit in the living room with the T.V. on, I played guitar in my guitar room as she watched television and I asked her if she could hear me through the T.V., AND SHE SAID YES! So it's not my fault for thinking y'all could hear me, I tried to check. Try dealing with that shit, try going on with your life thinking that everybody is listening to you all the time. I didn't care, I was glad. I think people should hear my words, so I've been trying to put myself out there on Facebook since I finally came to the realization that I am not exactly the voice inside people's heads. Not exactly, I've been convinced that everything I say registers with people subconsciously because of what I am. Separation is an illusion anyways, we're all connected on a spiritual plain. So if you're bored and lonely, speak out loud to your friends, they'll hear, in a way. It kinda works for everyone. I'm just louder and am addressing EVERYONE at once. I've been on one Hell of an adventure for the past eight or nine years, these are just a few of the highlights of it. I know it all sounds outrageous, but if you really know me stop and ask yourself, "Why would he be making any of it up?" I'm not bullshitting anybody, I just want to give you all hope.
Eli Etten You need to slow down on the sauce man. I had deja vu 10+ times a day for months after taking acid once and one day things went back to normal.
to be transparent, I completely advocate for the continued legality of this plant, and admit to its many positive qualities. I've met more than one person who feels it has either saved their life, usually from a harsher addiction/withdrawal, or it has been a wonderful alternative to prescription meds when searching for a way to cope with their many psychological ills. with that said, it has completely f'd up my life. I have experience with other more intense things, and for whatever reason, this plant has been the most difficult to quit, and has had some serious negative impacts on my quality of life. please don't freak out and tell me I must not know how to respect the plant, or that i'm an ignorant ass hole. it's been my experience that this plant can be great medicine for some, but I've also observed many people jumping into it and thinking it is no more addictive than coffee--it is. i'm on day 1 of WD right now, and the pain is real. ok, I'm ready for the shitstorm of denial and dismissive name calling. if you have something intelligent to say; however, I'm all ears.
bilbo bagginziz are you taking kratom extracts? Those give the worse withdrawals and increase tolerance. I take about 6-9 grams a day, if I stop cold turkey I get some insomnia, never felt any pain. Either way, I wish you luck on quitting man
I had some experience with extracts, albeit briefly, many years ago. The withdrawal from those brought on new levels of anxiety that I didn't think were even possible. It was well beyond the intensity of any other WD I'd ever previously experienced. However, that was over 2 years ago, and during my long relationship with Kratom, it has been 99% dried leaf. The WD from the dried leaf is arguably much easier.Still, I've quit 4-5x for at least 2 weeks, and up to about 6wks. I mentioned earlier I had experience with harder stuff. With that in mind, my experience with Kratom has been this: the WD is way harsher mentally than physically, when compared to traditional opes, and lasts way longer than you'd expect. We are talking weeks of depression, anxiety, no joy in anything, disrupted sleep, no motivation, and intense irritability. Depending on your duration and intensity of use, I'd argue it can take a solid month to start really feeling good again. Though, don't let that stop you if you're thinking of quitting. After 5 days, it is more of a downhill battle, if you're prepared for the psychological stuff. There are also supplements that really take the edge off.The variety of experiences people have with Kratom WD is astounding to me, but it can be generally agreed that they are always awful. I don't know your history, or why you got into K in the first place, but 6-9g/day is really not too bad. Thank whatever God you pray to that insomnia has thus far been your only noticeable symptom.Still, have you ever tried quitting for, let's say a month? If it were to be made illegal starting August, what would your emotional reaction be? I think it is important to take stock of why we are using this plant in the first place.For me, it was as simple as being bored, and feeling trapped by life. Rather than taking grown up steps to change my circumstances, I numbed myself with a plant. I allowed myself to believe it was no more dangerous than coffee, and here I am years later, wishing I had never even heard of it. If you haven't used it long, like less than a year, it is a lot easier to quit than once you hit the year+ mark.I have a lot of experience with Kratom, and addiction in general, if you have any questions. Though, I'd totally understand if you didn't want to talk to a complete stranger.
hi Grin, there are few places you can find honest information about Kratom-certainly not from the vendors. It is not a well studied plant. The best place I found for honest feedback about the plant is at the quitting kratom reddit forum www.reddit.com/r/quittingkratom/. Though, this is admittedly a quitting forum, and folks their are focused on that.... Still, whether or not you have interest in quitting, or have ever even taken the plant, the feedback there is honest. If you search through forums that celebrate Kratom, you will never hear the whole story. Some folks their are downright hostile to anyone that has even the slightest negative thing to say about Kratom. But don't get me wrong; It's not an evil plant, and has its many uses. But way too many people advocate for it without telling you the possible danger. If you have questions, make a Grin Stylez reddit account, and post your questions there. I am active there, and will keep an eye out for any post you make.
I smoothed a gravel road out with my eyes and went skateboarding down it. I did the same thing to my gnarled pinky finger and it straightened right out. I walked along the top of a wire fence as easily as walking down a sidewalk. I saw an Angel and a white sphere fly over my yard. I bought a new album, started singing along, knowing all the words even though I've never heard it before. I've had purple clouds come out of my eyes. Sometimes when I'm laying in bed at night I can see a very light blue light glowing from my eyes, more like from behind my eyes. A few weeks ago I was singing along to Alice In Chains Unplugged when the room started flashing dark. It continued for the last fifteen to twenty minutes of the album, it happened again a few days ago when I was talking about some people I love. Twice I've had a television screen appear inside my eyelid, the first it just showed a dragon galloping on top of clouds, the second time the Archangel Michael said, "There's a video screen, Eli", and sure as shit one materialized before my very eyes. The image was in black and orange instead of black and white and it depicted a man working on something in a shop. I couldn't see what, but he walked out from behind a table and sat down at a machine in the foreground. I should have told you first that Angels speak to me through me. They played pure Hell trying to make contact. I thought I was being possessed, thought I was going to lose myself to them, so I fought against it for years before I finally realized they weren't trying to hurt me, so I just let go of myself and let them talk. I wanted to hear what they had to say. There were times in the past where my skull has crackled and split and I had to tap it back into place. As soon as I did I'd have great clarity. It also moves and shifts around. Sometimes my ear canals will be up to two inches off, one higher, one lower. I think my skull kind of like the crystal egg I found at a friends house. One day I took it off the shelf and to my delight I discovered that by rubbing it I could fuse the interior facets of the crystal, but when I'd bump it, it would crack apart. I wanted it to stay clear, I tried rubbing it in water and that seemed to help, needing somewhere soft and wet, I put it in my mouth. Once in there, the crystal egg flattened out on my tongue like it was made of Silly Putty and crawled down my throat like and inch worm. Weird, huh? Oh, and don't let me forget all the syncronicities I witnessed, in music and television. I'd be watching T.V. and listening to music and it would look as though the people on television were singing the songs I was playing, every syllable matching their lips perfectly, this made me think some crazy shit, like that God was broadcasting my music over the airwaves, so I had my fun with it thinking that, I knew what I was by that time and figured that's just how it's done. Twitter. Twitter sucked with syncronicities. Every post would describe me and what was going on in my life, it wasn't craziness, it wasn't paranoia it all made sense, I could have sat you down and explained how what the people were saying pertained to me. When this stuff happened I was under the impression that the whole world knew about me and that God was keeping them under control from addressing me directly. So I tried using these powers to put on a show for everybody. I'd play guitar and sing night after night trying to spread my message of love to the world. I thought everybody could hear me, people were always saying to me, "I hear ya." So I believed everyone always could. Seemed like everyone I'd talked to would say they hear me. It wasn't delusional, I had plenty of reason for my beliefs, it was syncronicity. I was made to believe it was that way. I even had a friend of mine sit in the living room with the T.V. on, I played guitar in my guitar room as she watched television and I asked her if she could hear me through the T.V., AND SHE SAID YES! So it's not my fault for thinking y'all could hear me, I tried to check. Try dealing with that shit, try going on with your life thinking that everybody is listening to you all the time. I didn't care, I was glad. I think people should hear my words, so I've been trying to put myself out there on Facebook since I finally came to the realization that I am not exactly the voice inside people's heads. Not exactly, I've been convinced that everything I say registers with people subconsciously because of what I am. Separation is an illusion anyways, we're all connected on a spiritual plain. So if you're bored and lonely, speak out loud to your friends, they'll hear, in a way. It kinda works for everyone. I'm just louder and am addressing EVERYONE at once. I've been on one Hell of an adventure for the past eight or nine years, these are just a few of the highlights of it. I know it all sounds outrageous, but if you really know me stop and ask yourself, "Why would he be making any of it up?" I'm not bullshitting anybody, I just want to give you all hope.
Started watching this sober and have watched every episode sober....whatch others like about diet and comedy or UFC, and you will come back to these with an appreciation for the knowledge
Much respect and admiration for Dennis work and big thanks to Joe for an awesome episode and for helping disseminate such essential education. Warmest regards from the Spaced Painter :)
William Mcgrath The "war on drugs" is to create 21st century slavery. ..that's why this current administration of racists want to build more private prisons.
Should have Hank Wesselman on. He is a 30+ year anthropologist looking for the origin of man in Africa and studies shamanism of many ancient cultures. Incredibly interesting.
The first time I smoke marijuana I took 3 bong rips because they didn't seem to work. Holy shit was it insane. I literally felt my third eye open, I experienced synthesia, I could felt electricity in the air and I couldn't control my emotions between laughing hysterically and crying like a madman. It sucked because no one believed I was experiencing everything I was. Later I found out schizophrenia runs deep in my family and now I am extremely careful who I partake in plant medicine with
Same .. I felt electric & thrust into somewhere else...my dad comes from an era when mental wasn't properly considered so I didnt know why I had such a reaction. I have now been smoking with the right people for 20 years ...these days I respect my levels & smoke part time. I felt a.3rd eye reaction & electricity through.my hands.. Thanx for just being honest about your experience. After 20 years reading your comment made me feel less nuts.
JESUS CHRIST WILL SAVE YOU! LIFE YOUR HEART TO JESUS! I GET STONED ON JESUSES LOVE! AMERICA IS THE BEST! BECAUSE JESUS CHOSE TO CREATE US BEFORE THE ANIMALS AND PLANTS! GOD CREATED AMERICA! THEN HE CREATED THE EARTH AND THEN HE CREATED CANADA LAST!
So many people butt hurt on this comment board about the 5 minute politics talk in the video. Smh grow up and learn how to listen to another persons views for a second without freaking out.
Of course their reaction is an extension of their opinion, that isn't the point. Who cares why they're butthurt? If they wanted to engage in a conversation, that isn't the way to go about it. Having the ability to listen to someone who thinks differently than you is the point and a sign of maturity. I fail to see how the original comment is anything close to "butthurt".
@fenrirdies bro c'mon, he was just saying that anyone getting their panties in a bunch about a brief and vague political mention is missing the big picture of the podcast and could probably really benefit from opening their minds just a bit...
It's the way they approach their opinion, from a point of irrationality and letting their emotions get the best of them. Maybe think a little harder before you respond?
@@lukebeaver1262 Please don't assume that I have panties, let alone what kind of bunching would be taking place - if I had them. ESPECIALLY with a last name like Beaver. You monster.
"Chaos is our friend." In these times, it is. Life is a balance between order and chaos. The time before humanity is pure chaos, but the fascist regime is pure order. When we emerged from the jungle and pure chaos, order was our friend. Eventually we achieved balance, but we keep propogating order and now we're departing from balance. If we continue plummeting toward pure order, we'll wake up in an authoritarian world. Chaos is our friend.
Chaos is REALITY, and God is REALITY ITSELF. I think Carl Jung said it best: "To this day God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my willful path violently and recklessly, all things which upset my subjective views, plans and intentions and change the course of life for better or worse."--Carl Jung, 1961
@@pattyleabo426 Not ONLY do each of us have to VOTE, if you want the USA to remain a Democracy and you want the USA to REMAIN being the Strongest Nation on earth, VOTE BIDEN! A vote for Trump only makes the USA the WEAKEST Country on earth, Trump has done NOTHING but WEAKEN our Country! If you like the virus, the never-ending protests, the crashed market and dying Americans from the virus, VOTE TRUMP! YOu'll get more DISASTER than you can IMAGINE! If you like the 43 million on unemployment, the rising hate crimes, the murder rates gone through the roof, stick with Trump, you'll get MORE RACE WARS, more VIOLENCE on the streets and more RACE RIOTS, stick with Trump! If you like death and the virus, stick with Trump. If you like seeing our Country WEAK, vote for TRUMP! if you want Russia to take over the USA then VOTE TRUMP! *HOWEVER PATRICK Leabo:* If you would rather see the Country HEAL and an END to the Virus for good with a Federal National Response, then VOTE BIDEN! If you want an END to the unemployment, VOTE BIDEN! He's gonna issue executive orders that REPAY failing businesses and put them on their feet again! If you want to see an END TO RACISM and SYSTEM RACISM, then VOTE BIDEN! And your Country will HEAL! The Vote has NEVER been simpler or easier to vote for the WINNER which is BIDEN! Besides, FOREVER IMPEACHED PRESIDENTS don't really win a 2nd term. Trump was FOREVER IMPEACHED, he will NEVER win in 2020.
Well it looks like the authoritarians won .... yay let the Bush and Obama and dick Cheney and Hillary Clinton deep state elitist back in control 🙄 👏 👍 No difference in any of them .. Want to know who your true masters are ? look at who your not allowed to criticize !?
@@roldybangzz2228 and psilocybin mushrooms especially make me lose my sense of individuality. Like, I was in a group environment and was expected to make decisions as to our course of action, but I just would go with the flow to such an apathetic state
@@gildedvibrations8927 I completely understand my man. I wish you many good things in your life and your path towards awakening. I can see you know a little something extra than most people don't ;)
Have been putting dennis off because im such a huge terrence fan.....So F#*n glad it was exactly this. Dennis mirrors his brother in such a perfect way, same grace and truth but also original. thanks Dennis and also Joe for knowing when ta sit back and let Mckennas be Mkcennas. Goodness.
Explained in comment below. There was article written about him: www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/825929-Joe-Rogan-is-ignorant-moron-and-animal-abusing-psycho
Connect the dots: Before the US invasion of Afganistan, about 10% of the world's heroin came from Afganistan. After the invasion it rose to 70%. Us soldiers now guard the poppy fields in Afganistan. The DEA bans produsts that actually help people to get off heroin addiction.
Perhaps the "war on drugs" ensures that prison systems and the drug cartelles remain profitable ....with ease. Drugs should be a health issue involving education, not a legal one (in many cases)!
My parents brought me and my cousin to Panama City Beach, Florida for summer vacation in 1990 or 91’ and one of the many headshops was offering drug free trips via a lighting setup. It was a small room that was maybe 10’x12’ with cool rugs and pillows on the floor to lounge on and about 6’ off the floor was what I can only describe as Pink Floyd’s full concert lighting setup. It was an astounding number of lights. I was 12-13 and I distinctly remember flying through space at a pace fast enough that I felt like my body was going to tear apart. I was in a realm of fractals and waves of energy. The guy that came up with that light definitely wasn’t the first to figure out the process. Some Dead heads from Florida definitely figured it out almost 30 years prior.
Dennis McKenna seems like a wonderful person. If you like this one, be sure to check out his appearence on Chris Ryans podcast Tangientially Speaking. Min blowing episode.. Keep it weird guys!
I dunno. Hard to consider someone a "wonderful person" if they consider Obama to be a "thoughtful" person. Guess dropping 30,000 bombs in a year shows a real sense of compassion as long as the media ignored it.
These guys are so right. The people we need who are smart enough to effectively deal with the challenges of the world today want absolutely no part of the pit of despair known as politics. Sucks to be us right now.
0:00 - Podcast begins with over-indulgence with Cannabis and other various
3:40 - People exhibiting addictive behaviour with psychedelics
8:45 - Drugs being immoral / Carfentanil being a thousand times stronger than Fentanyl
15:00 - Kratom & Ibogaine
17:30 - Some U.S. states applying for provisional allowance for Ibogaine clinics / Jeff Sessions & the war on drugs
22:15 - Dennis' 50th anniversary conference celebrating psychedelics research ESPD50
32:00 - Salvia
34:40 - Ari Shaffir's Salvia experience
37:55 - DMT and The Sonoran toad / people licking toads
41:20 - The painting sent to Joe by Shawn Thornton who has a Pineal Gland tumor / new studio building
43:55 - The pinecone statue at the Vatican representing the Pineal Gland
49:00 - When Joe experienced effects of a trip from yoga / The Ajna Light
1:00:00 - The similarity between DMT and Tryptophan
1:04:55 - Why ingesting DMT by itself gets broken down / what Ayahuasca is mixed with to produce the effect
1:11:45 - Harmine originally being called Telepathine
1:20:00 - Isolating single compounds from plants for health benefits, where multiple compounds from one plant work synergistically
1:25:00 - Patenting formulas for mixing together a plant medicine like Ayahuasca
1:29:10 - Joe likens pharmaceutical companies to the tale of the scorpion and the frog
1:31:50 - The two religious bodies allowed to utilise Ayahuasca in the U.S. (UDV & Santo Daime)
1:40:50 - The person to seize / manipulate a power structure usually being a man, ref: Amber Lyon's experience
1:43:10 - The moral obligation attached to Ayahuasca / plant medicines. How Ayahuasca might need to be administered to Donald Trump
1:46:00 - Joe thinking of people as 'babies' / Donald Trump's lieing about his own results
2:00:00 - Joe's friend who was accosted arbitrarily by an immigration entity
2:09:00 - The terminology of 'drugs' being ambiguous / we (humans) being made of drugs
2:14:30 - Fake Shaman and sharlatans
2:20:45 - 'Runner's High' mimicing the effects of Cannabis - context from 2:15:55
2:24:45 - Life experiences & chemistry / chemistry & love affairs
2:27:15 - The story from Terrence McKenna of the monk that studied levitation / The relationship between mushrooms (psilocybin) and absorption of DMT
2:30:55 - Joe tells about kickboxers using Psilocybin and his friend who is able to anticipate opponents' moves while on Psilocybin
2:39:40 - The DMT experience memories dissipating quickly
2:43:00 - The ESPD50 Conference on June 6th, 7th, and 8th 2017
pingfunk doing the lords work
Your awesome man, thanks.
God bless your soul my friend.
Heroes and capes and all that
Never have I seen a comment worth monetary gain. 👍👌
Plants have an amazing ability to connect people. Example, I have bought my flat (because I am old and settled), but the flat next door is rented mostly by young students. I grow herbs on my balcony (organically) and when they are prolific, I give them to my neighbours to add to their food. As soon as I do that, then I receive all sorts of little gifts back, and when the neighbours move on (usually because they have finished their uni degree) they always site "my little garden" as being a big part of the joy of living here. Ps my balcony is tiny, but the plants love it. We can create a piece of paradise anywhere if we try. Even non psychedelic plants have a big effect on humans.
L N sooo true
Wholesome
Awesome!!!!
FRAUD
So nice to hear older person with a positive attitude to the young.......that keep's your mind bright and flexible. I was lucky enough to have parents like that and now I'm the same.
Could u imagine if Terence could be on JRE... shit would be more hype than a Beatles reunion
JESUS CHRIST WILL MAKE YOU PAY FOR YOUR SINS!
jpsplat ...Joe pulled off the interview tho...If it was my dumb ass id of asked him about Terrence the whole fuckin time.
Jeff Goldblum Who is sinning? Dont give jesus a bad name jewboy
Mac Gruber haha
it's happened already, somewhere
I was on heroin off and on for 10 yrs . i failed on methadone and every treatment program there is ... Then i went to texas . stayed in the middle of no where got clean .. After a few months i took penis envy mushrooms which are psilocybin and after I tripped my face off on those one time I have not used any hard drugs in 4 years not only have I not use them but I have been around them and it is no longer a problem for me it completely reset me like I had never used opiates before I did not notice this really until a few months after the trip also my anxiety went away and my depression went completely away it's like I forgave myself for everything and moved on
Jesse Rush thats really cool. I wish that there was more science and information backing the medicinal use of psychedelics. Glad to hear you pushed through your addiction though!
There’s your science ^ and story ^
Beautiful
That’s actually very common of people that use Ayuasca, DMT or a powerful trip on Ketamine or Psylicibin. Congratulations!!
The moral of the story is, if you’re addicted to drugs, you need to do more drugs.
Paul Stamets and Dennis together for an episode would be amazing
Absolutely agree!!!
@@wayneandrewstubbs I love you too
Add Michael Pollan to that and it would be legendary
YES!
And Hamilton Morris!!
I was at a very high end pain clinic, and when I got back to the resort every evening, I started researching Kratom and then I ordered some. I was on some heavy narcotics, and so was everyone else at the clinic. It worked so well for me, I ordered a shit load and handed it out for free to my fellow patients. The health care people had never heard of it, nor wanted to hear about it.
One guy I gave it to was on a couple hundred ml. of Oxycontin. The day after I gave him a batch he came up to me almost in tears, he was blown away by how well it worked. Everyone I gave it to came back with the same story.
That's awesome man how you doing now
And I don't know if I buy that cuz if they already have pain pills in their system the kratom is not powerful enough to overcome what is in their system are ready and be effective now if they didn't have narcotics opiates in their system and used it then sure I could see it working I'm a heroin addict in recovery and when I did have heroin in my system Kratom did not work for me at all so I don't know if I buy your story not saying you're a liar I just don't believe that they would work when somebody already has a high dose of narcotic opiates in their system
Why was you at a high end clinic? Are you rich?
@@collybeans586 that's irrelevant so what if he was rich, they just made is bullshit. Refer to my previous comment
@@shaneknerr7030 I agree with you 100 percent. Kratom attaches to the same receptor in the brain as narcotics, thus giving a slight feeling of taking a pain med, or heroin, so if you take them while on a strong narcotic, you will feel nothing. Even if you take it the next day, the tolerance level will not allow you to feel that small amount of kratom. You also cannot keep taking kratom to feel more effective, at some point, you will get a headache and maybe even vomit. I gave Kratom to a recovering heroin addict, hoping to curb his pain, he ended up using up to a kilo per two days, even after I told him Kratom will stop working very fast, the tolerance builds up very fast. Kratom works as a mild pain reliever, but it is not a substitute for anyone a large amount of pain killers or even heroin. It will relieve withdrawal symptoms to a very small degree. Glad you are clean bud!!
Let's get Adam from Psyched Substance and SWIM on here!
JacksonOfAllTrades agree
Yes please
JOE ROGAN PLEASE ALLOW THIS!!!!! Psyched Substance is honestly the channel that proved to me psychedelics can really change lives!
JacksonOfAllTrades Both YourMateTom & PsychedSubstance togetherrrr!!! 😍👍
Unless these people have read through several drug related forums, like erowid or the late and most beloved TOTSE among many others, they will not understand SWIM or SWIY.
Cops: Got any drugs on you?
Mckenna: I'm made of drugs.
Cops: Get out of the vehicle!
Lol
Justin Lewis lol
100th like
Wow yes! Lmao thank you!
McKenna: I am the vehicle
Joe ' I entered the yoga class on a very high dose of cannabis'
Rogan
haha
Joe” Let’s talk about drugs” rogan
Loved when joe said this 🤣🤣🤣
'Edible cannabis'
Vapletrichs Gne haha
I imagine an Alan Watts Episode....
That would be f****** awesome
☹️rest in peace 🌌
He passed in the 1970s but sure that would be a very interesting podcast
A Nikola Tesla episode
💞
The McKenna's have been great assets and advocates for the psychedelics for a long time. Awesome work! RIL Terrance. Keep it pushing Dennis. Keep funneling great guests, Joe.
Terrific episode. And Dennis McKenna is a treasure.
Terrance would be proud how this subject has been pushed and made less taboo. Thank you Terrance and Dennis. I’m tripping on your strain rn.
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Is It the penis envy strain?
Hunter fishman there's a truffle strain called mckenna there pretty powerful
If JR can get Adam from PsychedSubstance on here that would be so cool!
Arun Dhanjal I saw that on H3H3's sub reddit it was just flooded with people wanting Adam on, so hes most likely making an appearance there. Hopefully it snowballs and hes able to get on JRE.
I hope that never happens.
Arun Dhanjal that kids a fruit I wouldn’t want him on here
Why?
@@glitchinthematrix555 Awe c'mon he's not that bad infact I think he is a good guy and he isn't even weird he just has different mannerisms but I do think he makes shit a little deeper than they actually are for dramatics.
Just another person adding that Kratom also saved my life. I live with pain daily after a car crash 5 years ago. I regularly attend a pain clinic where i am prescribed Narcotic pain pills. Kratom allowed me to completely stop taking the pills, now i take Kratom 2-3 times per day, I do not feel intoxicated and my pain is MUCH better. Best part, I can stop taking it and i have almost no side effects or withdrawal. Recently I traveled overseas for 1-month, I went from dosage of 3 times a day to nothing, and had almost no withdrawal effects. I have had worse withdrawal effects for anti-depressants i was also prescribed, hell i have worse withdrawals from coffee...
Zevin X thanks for sharing!
Thx :) My friend has been talking a lot about the powers of kratom for the last couple years.
Pain patients are different but if somebody uses kratom for real bad mental illness then it is very addictive.
BEWARE: there is a condition called 'Ketamine bladder' which is permanent damage and PAINFUL af.
Kratom withdrawal can be really really difficult though. Glad you haven't experienced much difficulty but others shouldn't read this expecting Kratom to be something you can just take and quit whenever you'd like. (though the withdrawals are definitely better than those of what it substitutes)
Dennis seems like such an amazing, intelligent and loving guy, I’m grateful that I was able to hear him speak.
Hes still alive ?
Got to hang out with him and listen to him talk at the kava farm on big island of hawaii! Super cool dude.
"There is no bad drug"
meth users : 🕺
meth is overrated, not 1/10 as bad a alcohol
meth is only bad if ABUSED. If you smoke crystal and stay up days at a time, thats abuse. But for a narcoleptic taking 5mg desoxyn to stay awake all day, or an extremely obese person taking a small amount to curb their appetite, it can be a lifesaver. Meth isnt bad, its just very very easy to abuse, and 99% of people who try it cant control it. Dont do meth, but there is a reason it IS LEGAL under US Law for doctors to prescribe.
I have never done meth due to parents having their struggles. I don't like being around people who actively use meth....BUT, I always wonder if amphetamines could be used responsibly...and maybe that's not meth...but shit, sometimes I wish I could have some energy, focus, perhaps dumbfounded sense of excitement that meth seems to be contributed with...I will continue to wonder.
The production of black market methamphetamine blows my mind. Now I'm pretty much with Dennis on the whole "There is no bad drug" mindset, but when it comes to the toxic stew needed to produce this particular drug, I can't help but think that it's inherently negative.
People who say "meth is only bad if you abuse it and use it too much etc etc..." clearly haven't taken enough meth to feel a true meth high lmao
A psychedelic spa sounds like the greatest thing ever thought of!
There is, its called rythmia in Costa Rica, they give Ayahuasca to all the people who visit also yoga and breath work and a healthy plant based diet while your stay, check it out
Brian Murray bro imagine
Have you been there? I'm in Colombia and would go if it's not expensive. Thanks!
Free Nature: Have you been there? I'm in Colombia and would go if it's not expensive. Thanks!
@Tai Lopez A plant based diet is healthy.
He has a very different voice from Terence, but they still have a very similar manner of speaking, like how they emphasize certain words and syllables.
mr rogers?
My thoughts exactly.
love the way they pronounce the word body. "bah dee"
age might be a contributor to the different voice, but I'm not sure what he sounded like when he was younger either.
sweet nujabes icon brah
// what do you bring back from salvia??? a profound appreciation for sobriety... lollll
Salvia took me out of this world. Mad as fuck, first ever experience with psychedelics and i had an OBE. Was fucking insane
Same here. Salvia was my first experience in that department. Low potency, my sense of proprioception was all messed up, felt like my consciousness, in relation to my body, was out of joint, and so even though I was standing up straight it felt like I was leaning back for some reason, so I sat down. All in all it felt like my surroundings were further away, in a different realm so to speak. Lasted maybe 10 minutes, followed shortly after by a throbbing headache that subsided maybe 2 hours later. The experience was cool, but not worth the headache! Never again, I said to myself.
Cybernetĩc gsǖs I took back that 3d vision of an environment outside of you is an illusion we all cooperate to maintain
Cybernetĩc gsǖs Lol no kidding. The thing that had me taking salvia in the first place was wanting answers to the heaviest questions that exist, but my only mistake there was taking too much, or you could say too much of too high of an extract, so as soon as I crossed through the membrane-like veil I was shot past the beautiful "we're all one and all unique, and your thoughts and intents and expectations play a role in the bigger picture of what happens in a very real way" straight to something I'll try to describe separate from this already run-on sentence. Under too much salvinorin-alpha, it's something worse than a physically torturistic hell, because (if anything like my too-much salvia dose), you are convinced that you just fucked up sooooo hard in that you just metaphorically cut your timespace continuum into a Klein bottle kind of thing in 4 spacial dimensions such that a finite amount of timespace just looped into itself somehow doomed to repeat forever, such that moments before repeating from its beginning you only then realize what you've done and it's already too late to stop because your realization of the time loop fuck up aligns with events that flow back through the loop seemingly indefinitely. It's much worse than it might sound, it is beyond description shit, so when God or some mystery troop of hyperdimensional awareness helps to undo the fuckup after what seems like aeons of this agonizing four minute loop, you are sooooo thankful to be sober l. Holy shit it's the most humbling!
I took salvia and was fine because i think most do it way wrong. Take a verysmall amount of salvia then when you feel ready do a little higher dose to get into the trip without falling.
I feel like Fear Factor, UFC, and the JRE podcast are all just the very beginning for Mr. Rogan. He was put on this earth to do something greater. Mark my words this man is at the very start of his journey. He still has another 30-40 years to live, and I can’t wait to see his next endeavor. Whether it’s politics, medicine, health... he would be extremely helpful in any field he chooses to pursue.
Simp
LONG LIVE TERENCE MCKENNA
Brandon B King Kenna
BONG LIFE TERRENCE MCKENNA
ummmm he's already dead
What an idiotic comment
Is it just me or does it seem like mckennas trippin in this episode
Every 2 weeks on psilocybe cubensis...it has changed my life...the horrendous depression is gone and hasn’t come back since I started doing this...the internal battle with suicide is completely gone !!!
Irish Mule69 I love it!! So glad to hear. Every 6 months or so, I do DMT, and my insidious depression goes away! Glad to share that “cure” with you!
Japanirish21
Thanks 👍🏻
Internal battle with suicide
This is exactly what I deal with every day and just started trying mushroom tea
That's the effect 😇 i had to do weekly for a while tho and it's always a learning lesson
lost souls I found that 1.5 grams in tea has been the best at home dose
Joe said he'd put that DMT artwork up in the new studio. WHERE IS IT JOE
He recently mentioned the red room 'ufo' studio is temporary, and was put together as a go between to handle the podcast after the move - until he eventually gets the new studio put together. He also mentioned having a 'flying/floating through space' background, maybe with a green screen or some other means.
We need an updated 2020 episode with Dennis! I'm really curious what he has to say now with the pandemic, election, and drugs decriminalized in Oregon.
No doubt!
Everyday I wish Terence McKenna was around to do one of these podcasts. 54 years is too young. Rip Terence.
I’ve smoked on and off for 25 years and it’s good to take a break and get back to base line.
@Andrew OBrien ur stupid
it is also cheaper
Trying
I take a day or two off every 2 weeks usually. Helps keep my tolerance fairly low and reassures me im not addicted to it because while weed itself may not be addictive humans definitely can be addicted to pretty much anything including weed so its good to take a break sometimes just to kinda prove to yourself you don't need it sometimes.
@Jay Smith please try to explain the last part
Kermit the frog and Yoda live in this man
luke newton holy fuck that’s the most accurate thing i’ve ever read how is this not top comment by a mile
read this at 2:08..... fuck you. the whole video is ruined now
Roman M mind blown haha
Lol why kermit explain the sound of his voice
@@anthonymiguel269 lmao top comment
If everyone could grow weed, everyone would also realize they could be growing their own organic fruits and vegetables, seer continue
If everyone grew mushrooms, the world would be a massive you cleaner place.
@@memeking9926 its all a corporate scam... paper companies led to the banning of weed/hemp, 50 morre years later, its tyrone in prison for trying to fill the gap created by white flight and organized denial of economic activity in black areas by selling marijuana to his fellow citizens
oliver bobo greene Paper companies? That’s completely incorrect.
Yeah, no one has the time for that.
i grow tomatoes corn bell peppers zuchini squash radishes but weed is still illegal to grow. i am praying in the next 10 years ill be able to grow my own bud and make my own cartridges of 🔥 concentrate. that will be so exciting 👌
I love when Jamie circles shit with his cursor
Mint.
Gev Gev ye it really makes me cream
Did you know he got an A in physics?
"lay off the sauce"
“I am drugs”
“Randy, I am the liquor”
TPB for ever
Listen to the liquor Randy, it never lies
RIP
Fucking DEECENT
This is golden!
Dmt is in liver and lungs government makes cigarettes and drinking legal just sayin
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm interdasting
And pineal gland. Fluoride in toothpaste
"Whereas most religions, the last thing they want you to do is have an actual religious experience." - Mind blown.
Never herd of that guy "Mind Blown", has he written any good book on the subject ?
I don't Mind being Blown..
you must have a very small, fragile brittle mind then.
EyeInTheSky way to encourage logical thinking..
Kid Icarus speak for yourself ?
"Corporations run the world , governments are just puppets." BOOM
No, currently the (nationalism) or nation state model has not failed though it is close to failing. When it does, say goodbye to ALL FREEDOMS. The nation state and nationalism as a model with the nation state as the absolute highest sovereign is the BEST MODEL to have multiple cultures on Earth at the same time peacefully. Corporations WANT a communist global government technocracy, but they HAVE NOT YET SUCCEEDED. If they do, its OVER MAN. Trump is holding us up as a SOVEREIGN NATION, and for all his BS, that is his saving grace. Governments ARENT PUPPETS YET. TRUMP PROVES THIS. ISIS wants a Caliphate (globalist) Hitler wanted Germany to run the world (globalist) Communism wants to run the world (globalist) Truth is nationalism is the only system along with capitalism that has provided much productivity and wealth for the common man, and is the system of government that causes the LEAST amount of democide. Nazis and communists were and are globalists, islam is globalist. I agree that malignant nationalism, believing your country is better than all others, absolutely can be poison, as with many nationalists over history. And of course the idea that your race or ethnic background being superior is also an ignorant dangerous ideology. But the system of having nations and a nation state as the absolute sovereign is the best most peaceful way to have multiple cultures on Earth, so Nationalism IS A GOOD THING. Globalism, or having one giant communist dictatorship, is a system that would cause FAR more TERROR. Im from the USA and I think its the best, but only because we have the Bill of Rights and Freedom of Speech, and no other country can compare with our level of freedom. But its like rooting for your team in a football game, all the teams, and certainly the players (individuals) matter and are sovereign. And im from here, so its my favorite, but if yours is another, im cool with that, just dont be fooled by all the international corporate propaganda that wants a global state, because NATIONALISM WORKS.
No banks run the world
@@BenSmith-jw8zy Completely disagree with most of what you said but im not getting into a long debate because its pointless. Also "no country compares to the level of freedom in the USA" is the most American thing ive ever heard. Are you stupid or just not travelled much? What about the UK? New Zealand? Australia? The whole of Scandinavian? France? Germany? Austria? Spain? Portugal? Japan? Get over yourselves your country isn't that great honestly. Bunch of self righteous arseholes imo. Your countries the equivalent of the school yard bully and thats all.
@@whatwentwrong4599 ALL THE COUNTRIES YOU SPOKE OF HAVE HATE SPEECH LAWS. SO I AM CORRECT. We PROTECT most of the world, how dare you say we are bullies! Hell over half the countries you mentioned we pay their defense!!! Damn right you dont want to get into a long debate because ANYONE who read what I wrote that has a brain that isnt COMPLETELY PROPAGANDIZED by international globalist communism KNOWS EVERYTHING I SAID IS FACTUAL. The only self righteous one is someone who would INSULT a country that defends FREEDOM the world around! Japan BANS MUSLIMS, we STILL DEFEND THEM. LEARN HISTORY BEFORE YOU EVEN ATTEMPT TO DEBATE SOMEONE WHO KNOWS IT.
@@whatwentwrong4599 I will agree that the private central banks DO HAVE all countries under their debt slavery however, that is correct. But central banks dont have nuclear and space weapons as our military does, so i guess it depends on what you mean by "run" when you say run the world.
Sometimes he sounds like Terrence, sometimes he even sounds like Yoda
Yoda? More like Pizza the Hut (Spaceballs) hehe
Kermit
A psychedelic, ketamine is like. A connection, there is. McKenna, the surname of Yoda is.
out of drugs I am made... Look this good will you not when tripping balls you are
@@dmans3617 dennis mckermit
Please have Dennis back on soon! He's so incredibly informative, his knowledge needs to be culturally recognized on a bigger scale.
Check out Terrence, Dennis's brother and his many books on psychedelics and on youtube you can find most of his interviews and hear him speak.
Joe “The problem with the marijuana is- 5, 4, 3, 2, 1” Rogan
So hilarious dude haha he does do that ALOT
I swear when McKenna looks up you can see his third eye bulging out
bro I can't unsee this shit
That's hard to unsee
So true
LOL! Indeed.
That dent in his forehead is so absolutely perfect lol
as joe takled about microdosing psilocybin and that some fighters take it "to know" what will happen moments before is so true. i had that feeling once too as i was on mushrooms. i knew my best friend will come and visit me so i got up and opened the door just secounds before he was about to knock on it. i wasnt expecting anyone at all at this day so i was fking shocked as he was standing there. (No matter what dose you do there is something strange sometimes)
most relatable shit iv ever seen its crazy
I once guessed 6 'Guess Who' cards my gf at the time had whilst playing the game high af. I was so lazer focused it was unreal. We were both completely shocked by how accurate I was time guess after guess. It's like I could read her mind. A peculiar experience where I just 'knew' the card. I didn't hear anything whisperer etc.
I then picked up a radom card and looked at it and 'projected it to her using my mind' and she guessed it right!! Not even joking.
We were totally freaked out.
@@alib6936 yoga, meditation, prayer, faith etc all tap into a similar 'state of consciousness'. Psilocybin unlocks the gateway to the altered state of consciousness, but you do not learn gradually.. You're fully immersed - it's amazing when done properly.
its mad bro mind changing experiences thru this shit
I had an experience with 4 friends around a campfire where we felt we could telepathically communicate. We didnt talk for 30 minutes yet it felt like we had a lengthy conversation hahaha. Stuff is amazing.
"How did you know what plants to use?"
"The plants told us."
"But what does it mean?"
"You're just not listening."
Loved this quote from Joe @ 2:15:00 "One of the most beautiful things that psychedelic drugs do is they dissolve any notion that you might have that anyone has a hold of this thing."
Lucas Howlett I just watched a Terrence McKenna lecture where he said the exact same thing
I wonder if it's weird coincidence or subconscious rip off or conscious rip off or original thought
joe is stealing good ideas from people like Terence Mckenna
I don't think Joe would consciously do that right in front of Terrence's brother..
Oh course is took it from Terrence xD but its obvious that its a teaching he took from terrence, although regardless i believe its good to carry on the teachings especially on lines like this.
@@GraverFILMS you think to much
"I would never be a member of any group that would have me." That is a truly beautiful quote. Heard that one a long time ago. Thanks for the reminder. Psychedelics are beautiful too. I get it & all this bullshit around me is very disappointing. Psychopaths & idiots. Thank you JRE. I am very happy that we have come a long way with research & understanding this stuff. Thank you Joe, Dennis & Terrence. Thank you all who contribute to the awakening of our depraved society.
Joe “I had enough DMT to get a city high” Rogan
Takemoney 5400 🤣🤟
A state high*
5-MeO though...from China...in a jar...when it wasnt illegal
It's great to see Dennis still as lively as ever. What a dude!
Philosophase hey guys check out my psychedelic store
Www.yourfriendly.store
How I compare addiction.....imagine learning to play guitar for 20 years....and then trying to forget how to play and never play again......
If Terence Mckenna made an appearance in this show, time itself would shift out of proportion and the universe would explode then destroy all dimensions
Wish that was possible
Jamming With Pommo To be fair, getting anyone on here who has been dead for quite a while would be equally amazing.
OMG! 🤦♂️
He was looking down smiling at how his work has blossomed into so much more now
Jamming With Pommo hey guys check out my psychedelic store
Www.yourfriendly.store
The moment Dennis McKenna keeps his cool, but inside his pineal gland exploded and quickly came back together 57:24
"You should buy it and keep it yourself." lol!
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I've heard of the flickering light technique before. It's pretty cool, I saw an egg being cracked in full 3D in front of my eyes when I accidentally tried it.
I'm sure his version is good, though I feel like you could basically reproduce the effect with a smartphone app and perhaps an LED bulb, instead of a 3000 dollar lamp.
anjalight wtf.. clearly a scam.. use binaural beats or meditate
McKenna?.......**automatic like**.....
Actually quite the opposite.
RedSkirmish why
codyhammond101 cus he a PUSS
Jah Rastafari right! look at the dislikes tho!wtf!
Ex Nihilo consiousness expanded
"wowwww that's interesting" means Joe will get high on it straight after the show 😅😅
Jonny Noakes hey guys check out my psychedelic store
Www.yourfriendly.store
rey William wtf lol darkweb much
@@reywilliam7919 why do i feel like this a scam?
@@BoulderonShoulder cuz it is lmao
I think it means "Wowww I totally fuking know that feeling" haha
Shawn Thorton's artwork is INCREDIBLE. The relationship between art and psychedelic's is truly fascinating.
Dylan Forman hell yeah dude, I'm currently shopping for a home and would LOVE to showcase some of his work inside....not an easy find tho unfortunately lol
Thank you Dennis McKenna and Joe Rogan for this incredibly important discussion.
watching tv is a sneaky addiction you gotta look out for.
Stephen Petersen Don't own television
Stephen Petersen or watching TH-cam
I watch it multiple times a day for hours it's gotten so bad that I put a TV in my bedroom. It's so hard.
Collin 97 you’re joking right?
Better than doing drugs
I had to stop weed about a year ago and my life is way better. I am also alcohol free 11 years, but quitting weed gave me my mind back.
Nautilus1972 I’m happy for you truly.
Smoking weed ironically gives me my mind back.
Yea, right now with all the covid crap and having to work at home, I can't smoke cannabis. I tried lol. For about 2.5 months, nonstop, high all the time. Once I ran out, I could barely function because the anxiety was so insane. Felt like the world was collapsing lol. Didn't expect to achieve any level of dependence with it, but I definitely did. Took a good couple weeks to feel like I got over it.
The people that believe in The War on Drugs think it was and will again be a smashing success. They became rich. That trillion dollars went into their pockets. They prisons are filled. Their friends that own the for-profit prisons are wealthy. That’s their goal. They don’t give a damn about saving lives. They’re sociopaths driven by greed
This. The war on drugs was a smashing success once you realize it was always about removing undesirable persons (blacks, mexicans and anti-war white kids at the time of the inception of the dea) and creating unlimited sources of dark cash for the cia to wreak havoc at home and far abroad. Smashing success.
Exactly.
Why is it that the people that run the world are fucking insane!!
Exactly they know its a war they can never win its not ment to be won its ment to take tax payers money for jobs for the soverant its a money grab i mean they play both sides we know this to be fact its crazy that they get away with this
You may be on to something here but imma go do another dab and I'll get back to you Brah. Tasty waves and cool buds are all I need.
Powerful episode to smoke to.
Rex Colt lightin up "The problem with marijuana" shit
no, its not. and dont use 'powerful' regularly as an adjective. you sound like a stupid roided out bald douche who smoked his first joint after the age of 40.
mr pink lmfao chill out
trolling? if you want to be a tool thats on you, im high af. but its a controllable high,. i dont have the tolerance of a 40+ yr old juicehead who recently discovered weed and psychadelics. still wondering if he had a life in high school. he would be way less annoying and probably ouldnt wear hoodies everyday and wear teenage bro shirts.
fuck is wrong with u lol
I took Dennis's advice (two weeks ago) from a clip of this video, on reading the book "plant intelligence and the imaginal realm" - ISBN: 1591431352.
So far, I'm not even 25% through it and I'm blown away by the information and knowledge within.
Without having read Aldous Huxley (yet), I now understand what he meant by the "doors of perception" and what sensory gating really is... Dennis talks about quite a few interesting things in this video that are well covered by that book, which I recommend to anyone who enjoyed this video.
He too talks about self-organized, flow dependent structures, Gaia, bacterial organization, communications, etc..
I am hooked on this book ever since I started reading it. And to think, I was going to skip it because I thought the cover makes looked like a gardening book about flowers or something lame - so far from it and I'm so glad I didn't ignore it.
As it turns out too, this book is basically one of a series. There's no doubt I'll be buying them all once I'm done.
Anyone familiar with Dr. Bob Melamede's lectures on thermodynamic flow dependent structures far from equilibrium theory, the EndoCannabinoid System, Psychedelics / Psychonautics, bio-chemistry, neuropsychopharmacology, cannabis or "drugs" as we call them, gardening, etc. would really like this book.
Thanks for posting this video!
Yeah Stephen Buhner is great! I really like 'The Lost Language of Plants: The Ecological Importance of Plant Medicines for Life on Earth' which is the only book I've read by him. I did start to read the book you mentioned but got distracted and haven't read it for awhile. Thanks for reminding me!
You are so high man I love it! Great post!
Agreed. I used Buhner's "Healing Lymes" to heal my lymes disease, and although extremely well researched, you know he uses the sensorium to "communicate" with the herbs that he recommends and explore their uses. It's all been part of a change in paradigm that honors the inter-connectedness of all and the ability to perceive this.
Just checked out that book and it looks exactly like the type of stuff I’m trying to read at the moment, so I’ll take your received advice myself. Thank you! 🌱
I’m re-watching this again in 2020. It’s so much worse than it was. God help us all
My grandma smoked pot for over 40 years.She also drank old charter with sevenup and dipped Levi Garrett snuff until the day she died,at almost 80.She was a school teacher, Sunday school teacher, business owner and helped hundreds and hundreds of people but in certain people's eyes she's "not a good person". I guarandamntee you she did more good than sessions ever has or will.Fuck Jeff sessions!
Levi Garrett isn't snuff
@kcotte59 Fuck Donald Trump and the Republican Party.
@kcotte59 Fuck off
Dam and she lived up to 80 years ? 40 years of only cannabis ? Only joints ? No blunts ?How was her diet ?
@@L.ATRAFFICNMADNESS yep, and beat cancer twice, second time she has a double mastectomy. Only smoked J's and she had a couple glass bowls. Her diet was amazing, she grew all the vegetables she ate, and my dad are grandad got the majority of meat and fish. So the first 60 years she ate farm/woods/water to table.
Please invite Ann Shulgin on the show. I bet she'd do it. She is 86, though, so hop to it. I wish Sasha was still around. Maybe have McKenna or a chemist join her on the episode.
Joe Rogan you are wise beyond your years and an amazing person. I have listened to your podcast all this year, old and new, you always make me learn something on my own. This podcast is amazing because I struggle with opiate addiction and have for 15 years but I am a very functional addict. Professionally in public I am a lead cook but I have been a professional addict until these past few years because it started to wear on me. I have taken suboxone for a couple years to help with my addiction but it seems to take the same schedule out of my life. I read about kratom from a random article December 2016 that gave me a little bit of hope. I than started listening to your podcasts and just your outlook on life gave me hope and now listening ba few months late, to this podcast you have given me a little more drive to have more self control. I would just like to praise you for being you and always seeking knowledge for the sake of knowing. Thank you for being an inspiration whether you know it or not.
Jared Meier I hope you're doing well, brother. Addictions a bitch, but anyone get through it. Stay strong and I wish you well.
CBDcastle thank you sir I am. Well wishing right back at you
Jared Meier thanks for sharing, hopefully you are still in good shape 🖒
SHON3Nknife thank you for caring I am doing well I hope all is well for you.
Jared Meier, keep hanging in there brother. I was too a functional addict. Suboxone and then Kratom saved my life
love this man... he seems a sweeter, more good-hearted version of his poet-brother. His inflections and sense of humour seem to be shared with Terrence -- and it is so lovely to observe those similarities shared only by siblings. Much, much love and blessings on your path, Dennis -- it is so necessary and helpful for the Healing of the Planet.
Hey yall, we're hosting Dennis McKenna in Minneapolis on Nov. 30th. He's moving to British Columbia, so we're giving him a grand farewell.
“There will be so much dug up on Trump with Russia and collusion that they will impeach him for all the horrible stuff he is doing”
That quote did not age well.
It never would lmao
I really hated how he went on about Trump but not for any political reason. Just the fact that he is passing himself off as a serious scientist and researcher only to give his “authoritative” opinion on someone he does not know. What’s more is he claims he knows what the best method of treatment is for someone’s mental health is undoubtedly unaware of. It would be like a psychiatrist seriously giving a diagnosis and treatment of James Earl Jones while only looking at his performance as Darth Vader - that is insane and it’s a shame Rogan fed this guy’s delusion.
But that is 2020 for you, claim trump is negative for literally any reason real or fictional, and you too can be an “expert” with a valid opinion.
@@michaelstjohn4665 "Now journalists are questioning everything."
I'm sorry what? What planet is he living on? I love listening to both McKennas but I'm routinely disappointed by the political savvy of prominent psychonauts.
Yeah his trump rambling was ill-informed and not needed
@@krinklebearcat right? It’s like this guy uses tons of LSD, he MUST be a political expert.
There is hardly any comments about just what a great guest Dennis Mckenna is and his amazing knowledge on the brain and its functions regarding mind-altering psychedelics etc plus the flow of the convo is like Joe and Dennis are 2 old friends chatting in the pub...one of the better JREs of recent times... plus mad respect for Dennis's brother Terrence what a pioneer and Psyconaught he was such a legend he'll be dancing with the Gnomes and Angels somewhere in heaven watching down
Common sense is not common, I think everybody knows that
-joe
I think it was Voltaire or Rossou who said that , he didnt come up with it
I smoothed a gravel road out with my eyes and went skateboarding down it. I did the same thing to my gnarled pinky finger and it straightened right out. I walked along the top of a wire fence as easily as walking down a sidewalk. I saw an Angel and a white sphere fly over my yard. I bought a new album, started singing along, knowing all the words even though I've never heard it before. I've had purple clouds come out of my eyes. Sometimes when I'm laying in bed at night I can see a very light blue light glowing from my eyes, more like from behind my eyes. A few weeks ago I was singing along to Alice In Chains Unplugged when the room started flashing dark. It continued for the last fifteen to twenty minutes of the album, it happened again a few days ago when I was talking about some people I love. Twice I've had a television screen appear inside my eyelid, the first it just showed a dragon galloping on top of clouds, the second time the Archangel Michael said, "There's a video screen, Eli", and sure as shit one materialized before my very eyes. The image was in black and orange instead of black and white and it depicted a man working on something in a shop. I couldn't see what, but he walked out from behind a table and sat down at a machine in the foreground. I should have told you first that Angels speak to me through me. They played pure Hell trying to make contact. I thought I was being possessed, thought I was going to lose myself to them, so I fought against it for years before I finally realized they weren't trying to hurt me, so I just let go of myself and let them talk. I wanted to hear what they had to say. There were times in the past where my skull has crackled and split and I had to tap it back into place. As soon as I did I'd have great clarity. It also moves and shifts around. Sometimes my ear canals will be up to two inches off, one higher, one lower. I think my skull kind of like the crystal egg I found at a friends house. One day I took it off the shelf and to my delight I discovered that by rubbing it I could fuse the interior facets of the crystal, but when I'd bump it, it would crack apart. I wanted it to stay clear, I tried rubbing it in water and that seemed to help, needing somewhere soft and wet, I put it in my mouth. Once in there, the crystal egg flattened out on my tongue like it was made of Silly Putty and crawled down my throat like and inch worm. Weird, huh? Oh, and don't let me forget all the syncronicities I witnessed, in music and television. I'd be watching T.V. and listening to music and it would look as though the people on television were singing the songs I was playing, every syllable matching their lips perfectly, this made me think some crazy shit, like that God was broadcasting my music over the airwaves, so I had my fun with it thinking that, I knew what I was by that time and figured that's just how it's done. Twitter. Twitter sucked with syncronicities. Every post would describe me and what was going on in my life, it wasn't craziness, it wasn't paranoia it all made sense, I could have sat you down and explained how what the people were saying pertained to me. When this stuff happened I was under the impression that the whole world knew about me and that God was keeping them under control from addressing me directly. So I tried using these powers to put on a show for everybody. I'd play guitar and sing night after night trying to spread my message of love to the world. I thought everybody could hear me, people were always saying to me, "I hear ya." So I believed everyone always could. Seemed like everyone I'd talked to would say they hear me. It wasn't delusional, I had plenty of reason for my beliefs, it was syncronicity. I was made to believe it was that way. I even had a friend of mine sit in the living room with the T.V. on, I played guitar in my guitar room as she watched television and I asked her if she could hear me through the T.V., AND SHE SAID YES! So it's not my fault for thinking y'all could hear me, I tried to check. Try dealing with that shit, try going on with your life thinking that everybody is listening to you all the time. I didn't care, I was glad. I think people should hear my words, so I've been trying to put myself out there on Facebook since I finally came to the realization that I am not exactly the voice inside people's heads. Not exactly, I've been convinced that everything I say registers with people subconsciously because of what I am. Separation is an illusion anyways, we're all connected on a spiritual plain. So if you're bored and lonely, speak out loud to your friends, they'll hear, in a way. It kinda works for everyone. I'm just louder and am addressing EVERYONE at once. I've been on one Hell of an adventure for the past eight or nine years, these are just a few of the highlights of it. I know it all sounds outrageous, but if you really know me stop and ask yourself, "Why would he be making any of it up?" I'm not bullshitting anybody, I just want to give you all hope.
Eli Etten You need to slow down on the sauce man. I had deja vu 10+ times a day for months after taking acid once and one day things went back to normal.
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That’s the third bald guest in a row, keep it up! :D
Torgeir Borsheim hey guys check out my psychedelic store
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Wait.. I understand and think it's hilarious but this man has SOME hair on the lower, back of his head, lol.
glad Kratom is being talked about, I seriously think it saved my life
Enlightened Person kratom can work yo I agree with u
to be transparent, I completely advocate for the continued legality of this plant, and admit to its many positive qualities. I've met more than one person who feels it has either saved their life, usually from a harsher addiction/withdrawal, or it has been a wonderful alternative to prescription meds when searching for a way to cope with their many psychological ills. with that said, it has completely f'd up my life. I have experience with other more intense things, and for whatever reason, this plant has been the most difficult to quit, and has had some serious negative impacts on my quality of life. please don't freak out and tell me I must not know how to respect the plant, or that i'm an ignorant ass hole. it's been my experience that this plant can be great medicine for some, but I've also observed many people jumping into it and thinking it is no more addictive than coffee--it is. i'm on day 1 of WD right now, and the pain is real. ok, I'm ready for the shitstorm of denial and dismissive name calling. if you have something intelligent to say; however, I'm all ears.
bilbo bagginziz are you taking kratom extracts? Those give the worse withdrawals and increase tolerance. I take about 6-9 grams a day, if I stop cold turkey I get some insomnia, never felt any pain. Either way, I wish you luck on quitting man
I had some experience with extracts, albeit briefly, many years ago. The withdrawal from those brought on new levels of anxiety that I didn't think were even possible. It was well beyond the intensity of any other WD I'd ever previously experienced. However, that was over 2 years ago, and during my long relationship with Kratom, it has been 99% dried leaf. The WD from the dried leaf is arguably much easier.Still, I've quit 4-5x for at least 2 weeks, and up to about 6wks. I mentioned earlier I had experience with harder stuff. With that in mind, my experience with Kratom has been this: the WD is way harsher mentally than physically, when compared to traditional opes, and lasts way longer than you'd expect. We are talking weeks of depression, anxiety, no joy in anything, disrupted sleep, no motivation, and intense irritability. Depending on your duration and intensity of use, I'd argue it can take a solid month to start really feeling good again. Though, don't let that stop you if you're thinking of quitting. After 5 days, it is more of a downhill battle, if you're prepared for the psychological stuff. There are also supplements that really take the edge off.The variety of experiences people have with Kratom WD is astounding to me, but it can be generally agreed that they are always awful. I don't know your history, or why you got into K in the first place, but 6-9g/day is really not too bad. Thank whatever God you pray to that insomnia has thus far been your only noticeable symptom.Still, have you ever tried quitting for, let's say a month? If it were to be made illegal starting August, what would your emotional reaction be? I think it is important to take stock of why we are using this plant in the first place.For me, it was as simple as being bored, and feeling trapped by life. Rather than taking grown up steps to change my circumstances, I numbed myself with a plant. I allowed myself to believe it was no more dangerous than coffee, and here I am years later, wishing I had never even heard of it. If you haven't used it long, like less than a year, it is a lot easier to quit than once you hit the year+ mark.I have a lot of experience with Kratom, and addiction in general, if you have any questions. Though, I'd totally understand if you didn't want to talk to a complete stranger.
hi Grin, there are few places you can find honest information about Kratom-certainly not from the vendors. It is not a well studied plant. The best place I found for honest feedback about the plant is at the quitting kratom reddit forum www.reddit.com/r/quittingkratom/. Though, this is admittedly a quitting forum, and folks their are focused on that.... Still, whether or not you have interest in quitting, or have ever even taken the plant, the feedback there is honest. If you search through forums that celebrate Kratom, you will never hear the whole story. Some folks their are downright hostile to anyone that has even the slightest negative thing to say about Kratom. But don't get me wrong; It's not an evil plant, and has its many uses. But way too many people advocate for it without telling you the possible danger. If you have questions, make a Grin Stylez reddit account, and post your questions there. I am active there, and will keep an eye out for any post you make.
Of course pot is against the law.You're not allowed to enjoy meds.
cowfy Kaufman hmm I believed it to be “ a patient cured is a customer lost “ #bigpharma
I smoothed a gravel road out with my eyes and went skateboarding down it. I did the same thing to my gnarled pinky finger and it straightened right out. I walked along the top of a wire fence as easily as walking down a sidewalk. I saw an Angel and a white sphere fly over my yard. I bought a new album, started singing along, knowing all the words even though I've never heard it before. I've had purple clouds come out of my eyes. Sometimes when I'm laying in bed at night I can see a very light blue light glowing from my eyes, more like from behind my eyes. A few weeks ago I was singing along to Alice In Chains Unplugged when the room started flashing dark. It continued for the last fifteen to twenty minutes of the album, it happened again a few days ago when I was talking about some people I love. Twice I've had a television screen appear inside my eyelid, the first it just showed a dragon galloping on top of clouds, the second time the Archangel Michael said, "There's a video screen, Eli", and sure as shit one materialized before my very eyes. The image was in black and orange instead of black and white and it depicted a man working on something in a shop. I couldn't see what, but he walked out from behind a table and sat down at a machine in the foreground. I should have told you first that Angels speak to me through me. They played pure Hell trying to make contact. I thought I was being possessed, thought I was going to lose myself to them, so I fought against it for years before I finally realized they weren't trying to hurt me, so I just let go of myself and let them talk. I wanted to hear what they had to say. There were times in the past where my skull has crackled and split and I had to tap it back into place. As soon as I did I'd have great clarity. It also moves and shifts around. Sometimes my ear canals will be up to two inches off, one higher, one lower. I think my skull kind of like the crystal egg I found at a friends house. One day I took it off the shelf and to my delight I discovered that by rubbing it I could fuse the interior facets of the crystal, but when I'd bump it, it would crack apart. I wanted it to stay clear, I tried rubbing it in water and that seemed to help, needing somewhere soft and wet, I put it in my mouth. Once in there, the crystal egg flattened out on my tongue like it was made of Silly Putty and crawled down my throat like and inch worm. Weird, huh? Oh, and don't let me forget all the syncronicities I witnessed, in music and television. I'd be watching T.V. and listening to music and it would look as though the people on television were singing the songs I was playing, every syllable matching their lips perfectly, this made me think some crazy shit, like that God was broadcasting my music over the airwaves, so I had my fun with it thinking that, I knew what I was by that time and figured that's just how it's done. Twitter. Twitter sucked with syncronicities. Every post would describe me and what was going on in my life, it wasn't craziness, it wasn't paranoia it all made sense, I could have sat you down and explained how what the people were saying pertained to me. When this stuff happened I was under the impression that the whole world knew about me and that God was keeping them under control from addressing me directly. So I tried using these powers to put on a show for everybody. I'd play guitar and sing night after night trying to spread my message of love to the world. I thought everybody could hear me, people were always saying to me, "I hear ya." So I believed everyone always could. Seemed like everyone I'd talked to would say they hear me. It wasn't delusional, I had plenty of reason for my beliefs, it was syncronicity. I was made to believe it was that way. I even had a friend of mine sit in the living room with the T.V. on, I played guitar in my guitar room as she watched television and I asked her if she could hear me through the T.V., AND SHE SAID YES! So it's not my fault for thinking y'all could hear me, I tried to check. Try dealing with that shit, try going on with your life thinking that everybody is listening to you all the time. I didn't care, I was glad. I think people should hear my words, so I've been trying to put myself out there on Facebook since I finally came to the realization that I am not exactly the voice inside people's heads. Not exactly, I've been convinced that everything I say registers with people subconsciously because of what I am. Separation is an illusion anyways, we're all connected on a spiritual plain. So if you're bored and lonely, speak out loud to your friends, they'll hear, in a way. It kinda works for everyone. I'm just louder and am addressing EVERYONE at once. I've been on one Hell of an adventure for the past eight or nine years, these are just a few of the highlights of it. I know it all sounds outrageous, but if you really know me stop and ask yourself, "Why would he be making any of it up?" I'm not bullshitting anybody, I just want to give you all hope.
this is a breath of fresh air
Dennis “Y’know” McKenna
Dylan Gilbert y'know ?
Damn you!!! Y'know I hadn't noticed and now it's all I hear y'know.
Why have you done this
More like Dennis "Y'Know I'm a lot smarter than you" McKenna.
😂😂😂
how will I ever give up weed and still watch JRE..
Don't give it up maybe just slow down or take a break?
Sean Butler doesn't always work that way. probation is probation
Started watching this sober and have watched every episode sober....whatch others like about diet and comedy or UFC, and you will come back to these with an appreciation for the knowledge
J B you cant. You're too deep in it
I'm straight edge and I watch a lot of JRE.
The whole world should listen to this
Much respect and admiration for Dennis work and big thanks to Joe for an awesome episode and for helping disseminate such essential education. Warmest regards from the Spaced Painter :)
The war on drugs fills the industrial prison complex with more and more customers. That is part of the plan. So in that sense, it is a success.
William Mcgrath The "war on drugs" is to create 21st century slavery. ..that's why this current administration of racists want to build more private prisons.
Should have Hank Wesselman on. He is a 30+ year anthropologist looking for the origin of man in Africa and studies shamanism of many ancient cultures. Incredibly interesting.
The first time I smoke marijuana I took 3 bong rips because they didn't seem to work. Holy shit was it insane. I literally felt my third eye open, I experienced synthesia, I could felt electricity in the air and I couldn't control my emotions between laughing hysterically and crying like a madman.
It sucked because no one believed I was experiencing everything I was. Later I found out schizophrenia runs deep in my family and now I am extremely careful who I partake in plant medicine with
Same .. I felt electric & thrust into somewhere else...my dad comes from an era when mental wasn't properly considered so I didnt know why I had such a reaction.
I have now been smoking with the right people for 20 years ...these days I respect my levels & smoke part time.
I felt a.3rd eye reaction & electricity through.my hands..
Thanx for just being honest about your experience. After 20 years reading your comment made me feel less nuts.
Dont count your Arshole as a Third eye..
@@simmysimmy3748 my ass opens with just the right amount of alcohol and persuasion.
@@peyotekaiyote4312 fuck
Finally Joe was waiting for a podcast on some Psychedelics no better man either good shit bro
#RecoveringVulcan
knew yoda was a stoner
JESUS CHRIST WILL SAVE YOU! LIFE YOUR HEART TO JESUS! I GET STONED ON JESUSES LOVE! AMERICA IS THE BEST! BECAUSE JESUS CHOSE TO CREATE US BEFORE THE ANIMALS AND PLANTS! GOD CREATED AMERICA! THEN HE CREATED THE EARTH AND THEN HE CREATED CANADA LAST!
*"Chaos theory, raa haha ra"*
When did you create your account that you were still able to get just the name "Jeff Goldblum" ?
That's really him, man.
Coool. Loved your voice work in Goosebumps: Escape from Horrorland.
So many people butt hurt on this comment board about the 5 minute politics talk in the video. Smh grow up and learn how to listen to another persons views for a second without freaking out.
Absolutely not. Eric is referring to their reaction not their view point. Big difference.
Of course their reaction is an extension of their opinion, that isn't the point. Who cares why they're butthurt? If they wanted to engage in a conversation, that isn't the way to go about it. Having the ability to listen to someone who thinks differently than you is the point and a sign of maturity. I fail to see how the original comment is anything close to "butthurt".
@fenrirdies bro c'mon, he was just saying that anyone getting their panties in a bunch about a brief and vague political mention is missing the big picture of the podcast and could probably really benefit from opening their minds just a bit...
It's the way they approach their opinion, from a point of irrationality and letting their emotions get the best of them. Maybe think a little harder before you respond?
@@lukebeaver1262 Please don't assume that I have panties, let alone what kind of bunching would be taking place - if I had them. ESPECIALLY with a last name like Beaver. You monster.
"Chaos is our friend." In these times, it is. Life is a balance between order and chaos. The time before humanity is pure chaos, but the fascist regime is pure order.
When we emerged from the jungle and pure chaos, order was our friend. Eventually we achieved balance, but we keep propogating order and now we're departing from balance. If we continue plummeting toward pure order, we'll wake up in an authoritarian world. Chaos is our friend.
Far out
Chaos is REALITY, and God is REALITY ITSELF. I think Carl Jung said it best:
"To this day God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my willful path violently and recklessly, all things which upset my subjective views, plans and intentions and change the course of life for better or worse."--Carl Jung, 1961
Gotta vote my friends
@@pattyleabo426 Not ONLY do each of us have to VOTE, if you want the USA to remain a Democracy and you want the USA to REMAIN being the Strongest Nation on earth, VOTE BIDEN! A vote for Trump only makes the USA the WEAKEST Country on earth, Trump has done NOTHING but WEAKEN our Country!
If you like the virus, the never-ending protests, the crashed market and dying Americans from the virus, VOTE TRUMP! YOu'll get more DISASTER than you can IMAGINE! If you like the 43 million on unemployment, the rising hate crimes, the murder rates gone through the roof, stick with Trump, you'll get MORE RACE WARS, more VIOLENCE on the streets and more RACE RIOTS, stick with Trump! If you like death and the virus, stick with Trump. If you like seeing our Country WEAK, vote for TRUMP! if you want Russia to take over the USA then VOTE TRUMP!
*HOWEVER PATRICK Leabo:* If you would rather see the Country HEAL and an END to the Virus for good with a Federal National Response, then VOTE BIDEN! If you want an END to the unemployment, VOTE BIDEN! He's gonna issue executive orders that REPAY failing businesses and put them on their feet again! If you want to see an END TO RACISM and SYSTEM RACISM, then VOTE BIDEN! And your Country will HEAL!
The Vote has NEVER been simpler or easier to vote for the WINNER which is BIDEN!
Besides, FOREVER IMPEACHED PRESIDENTS don't really win a 2nd term. Trump was FOREVER IMPEACHED, he will NEVER win in 2020.
Well it looks like the authoritarians won .... yay let the Bush and Obama and dick Cheney and Hillary Clinton deep state elitist back in control 🙄 👏 👍
No difference in any of them ..
Want to know who your true masters are ? look at who your not allowed to criticize !?
Challenge:
Eat many mushrooms right before this video, see how long you can.
How long you can what?
@@roldybangzz2228 how long you can remain an individual?
@@gildedvibrations8927 no one is an individual so you are right.
@@roldybangzz2228 and psilocybin mushrooms especially make me lose my sense of individuality. Like, I was in a group environment and was expected to make decisions as to our course of action, but I just would go with the flow to such an apathetic state
@@gildedvibrations8927 I completely understand my man. I wish you many good things in your life and your path towards awakening. I can see you know a little something extra than most people don't ;)
the first ten seconds of this made me get up to load a bowl
Have been putting dennis off because im such a huge terrence fan.....So F#*n glad it was exactly this. Dennis mirrors his brother in such a perfect way, same grace and truth but also original. thanks Dennis and also Joe for knowing when ta sit back and let Mckennas be Mkcennas. Goodness.
"Some people just need a few weeks off"
We got our weeks off thanks covid!
This is by far the best podcast I've seen, not just JRE, probably of all time. This man is pretty insightful, I'd love to meet him.
Joe is disgrace
@@sauroman1 what do u have against joe. Do you mind giving valid reason for your hate.
Explained in comment below. There was article written about him: www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/825929-Joe-Rogan-is-ignorant-moron-and-animal-abusing-psycho
I met him at the World Ayahuasca conference in Rio Bravo Brazil a few years back. It was busy so not much chance to talk deeply .
Joe, I really believe you should invite Jacque Fresco to podcast while you still can. I believe it would be one of the greatest Podcasts.
Jacque Fresco (March 13, 1916 - May 18, 2017) :( rest in peace.
Gytis Balynas He should have listened to you.
Don't watch and support this psycho
Jacque?
Holy shit i missed that :( :( RIP indeed
12:34 - Owen Wilson "Wow"
12:45 - Stewie Griffin "Why"
Connect the dots:
Before the US invasion of Afganistan, about 10% of the world's heroin came from Afganistan.
After the invasion it rose to 70%.
Us soldiers now guard the poppy fields in Afganistan.
The DEA bans produsts that actually help people to get off heroin addiction.
Isnt poppy jst as addictive? Also, i thought heroin was made from poppy plants
Im with you up till the last sentence
it's closer to 90% now. and it's sooooo much stronger. it's white, not brown. heroin is not a brown chemical, it's white.
because you don't understand his last sentence. he's talking about kratom
Ever seen the movie "american gangster"? That should explain it all...
one of the best jre's i've ever watched.... great topics great guest!
34:43 Ari took a trip to Blitz and Chitz and played "Roy"
E H hey guys check out my psychedelic store
Www.yourfriendly.store
Perhaps the "war on drugs" ensures that prison systems and the drug cartelles remain profitable ....with ease.
Drugs should be a health issue involving education, not a legal one (in many cases)!
Kel Collins the biggest drug cartel is the pharmaceutical industry
@@paco9831 I agree. That's a great example of how something illegal becomes legal when profit falls into the right hands.
My parents brought me and my cousin to Panama City Beach, Florida for summer vacation in 1990 or 91’ and one of the many headshops was offering drug free trips via a lighting setup. It was a small room that was maybe 10’x12’ with cool rugs and pillows on the floor to lounge on and about 6’ off the floor was what I can only describe as Pink Floyd’s full concert lighting setup. It was an astounding number of lights. I was 12-13 and I distinctly remember flying through space at a pace fast enough that I felt like my body was going to tear apart. I was in a realm of fractals and waves of energy. The guy that came up with that light definitely wasn’t the first to figure out the process. Some Dead heads from Florida definitely figured it out almost 30 years prior.
Dennis McKenna seems like a wonderful person. If you like this one, be sure to check out his appearence on Chris Ryans podcast Tangientially Speaking. Min blowing episode..
Keep it weird guys!
theredbus link it bro
Link it bro!
Brotheren, thou commandith ze link
I dunno. Hard to consider someone a "wonderful person" if they consider Obama to be a "thoughtful" person. Guess dropping 30,000 bombs in a year shows a real sense of compassion as long as the media ignored it.
itunes.apple.com/se/podcast/tangentially-speaking-with-dr-christopher-ryan/id566908883?mt=2&i=1000367609834
Here's the itunes link!
Tank you, Dennis. For your insight , and your knowledge. A blessing to hear you speak.
never reading comments again..... great episode though!
I HATE YOU FOR NO REASON
joe, did you ever get the light and what did u think about it if u did?
Is it just me or does Dennis kinda sound like Yoda?
less so than his brother though.
Lukas Böck tru
Isak Glerup Jakobsen lol around the 18 minute mark he even says “Stupid are us!”
Lukas Böck nah way more. his brother sounds nothing like Yoda
@@DBALL4494 ya Lukas, wtf you talkin about
One of the best JREs of all time.
This is my favorite thing that has ever existed
These guys are so right. The people we need who are smart enough to effectively deal with the challenges of the world today want absolutely no part of the pit of despair known as politics. Sucks to be us right now.