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I have a friend who lives in a small town in Utah. One of the counselors in the bishopric would tell his wife everything that went on with the bishop such as people confessing sins etc... Soon the whole town knew and no one went to talk with the bishop anymore.
I think someone that greets new move-ins is a great idea and helps make sure that they are feeling welcome and helped when We moved into our Ward. I had seven kids at the time. Ages 15 to 3 months old including twins that were two and we had a man in the ward that had just passed away and the relief society seemed to be focused on helping the wife and when they came to visit me I had to stop them to say that I could use some help because they didn't offer me anything. They just came in to say hi. So I think a calling like that is great because sometimes the presidency is stretched pretty thin
Most of tĥe bishop's wives i have known said they didn't even know when ward activities were because their husbands were so careful of keeping confidences, they told the wives NOTHING.
I don't have all the details. I would like to believe that the Bishop was working in good faith. But, I also know that there are activists within the church. In the end, it comes down to the intent of the heart. If the Bishop was acting with the intent to support feminism, then there is a serious problem. The purpose to undermine the role of the priesthood is destructive. Again, I don't know the details. I hope this was done in good faith.
I tend to agree with you on most things, Troy, and this as well. If this is being done by revelation through higher leadership, then go for it, but if it’s being done for other reasons like political reasons, then I cannot get behind it. If it’s true the bishop was released and leadership rearranged, then that says a lot about what is going on there. It’s an interesting discussion for sure but I’m on the side of taking direction from the Lord on things like this.
My goodness, this should not be controversial. Here's my experience: Years ago, the bishopric called me as the ward typist. This wasn't an auxiliary position, but as an assistant to the bishopric. I met with new members, families of newly blessed babies and baptized children to ensure their certificates were completed accurately and typed neatly. When completed, I presented them to the family for review and on their approval, to the bishop for signature and recording. I also prepared the ward bulletin and other programs. Sisters do similar recording preparation work in the temples. Sisters also assist with sealing cancellation requests. In each case, sisters assist the priesthood. Sometimes this required conversation and sensitivity, such as the time a new member knew only one parent's name or had two parents with male names.
You’re right. Your calling does seem totally normal. The problem as I see it is this movement for women to “be seen”. We’re already “seen”. Those who agitate for this are doing it for other purposes. They perceive that sitting on the stand - as one example- conveys power or status and they want that. That is what I find foolish and wrongheaded. Seeking position for “equality” or status is the opposite of what any calling in the church is about. They’re just envious of what they perceive as “inequality “. Being equal isn’t being the same.
Thanks... A few days after I put out that post everyone was praying and putting his name in the temple and fasting he admitted himself into a hospital for help...
@@TheLastDispensation glad he's taking the steps. Our daughter was very insistent at times when she has needed help and then we have gone back and forth with her trying to be in tune and good listeners to her and making sure that she knew that no matter what was put in her head, that her foundational truths were that she is a daughter of God and and our daughter and we love her soooo much and that nothing would ever change that. They get so manipulated by the Adversary through the world, to trust and take in negative thoughts irrationally to what their core family experience has been. Our poor kids these days. We got to build up our Spiritual armor. I feel like kids born in the late 90s and on, had to come with some armor on just to make it to this point in their lives. So much confusion and different voices
That's because most of us are chismosos. I was a clerk whilst in school, counting tithing, packaging it all up, taking it to the bank, and pretty much knew who was making what and so forth. I guess technology is good in some ways?
Well I guess I don’t understand why that bishop didn’t just say to the relief society president to call someone for that position? A relief society president has the authority to call people to positions with the bishops approval. She can call what is called an add hock position which is temporary and that’s without his ok. So why would the bishop say that her position was an assistant to himself and not the relief society organization? Strange. … 🤔Sounds as if they are trying to pacify some one with liberal ideals. Not acceptable!
Does that inherently mean those women are now directly working off the priesthood line? With the same rights and authority from Jesus Christ? When they are set apart, how is their calling stated? Are they given certain priesthood rights? Is it just an advisor? And I didn’t know that structurally, bishops or otherwise we’re allowed to deviate from the structure of the church. That’s why we have the bishops Council advisory booked so that there’s an equal understanding of how things are run throughout the global church. Our church in Ohio once put Christmas lights up. It was beautiful, the church office let us know that wasn’t acceptable. Which is fine.
@@scubed8671 I do understand that in the temple, women are giving special authority for that. But I would say it depends on how this calling is received. An advisor, if that covers the needs of the Ward.. then OK. If this is some activist role trying to advocate for giving the women the priesthood, then not only are we splitting hairs, it could be divisive in long-term, not healthy.
Maybe they just want someone that is very outgoing who is more open and people coming into the church in ward do you make them feel welcome. Our relationship isn't exactly doing exactly what she's supposed to do I don't think. Oh well we all have our weaknesses.
I appreciated the shout out! I genuinely enjoy your program. And, as a product of early morning seminary (growing up in Southern California) I hope your seminary students appreciate how fortunate they are to have you as a teacher. All the best this upcoming year!
I believe when in question of a subject or leader of the ward one should take it to our Lord Jesus in prayer and fasting first and foremost. Only because Jesus has the wheel at all times, since it is His church wards not our own will to judge blessings to you all with prayers we is all doing Jesus and Heavenly Father's will at all times.
I don't understand why advisors would be needed. Both the RS and EQ presidents (and their counselors) are now responsible for the general membership of the ward, with the exception of worthiness issues, welfare, general callings, etc. If additional advisors were really needed, it would be those two auxiliaries. And if that were the case, it wouldn't just be women called. The bishop's main responsibility is to the youth. If additional advisors were needed for the Bishop, it would be to help with the youth. But again, any additional advisors (outside of his counselors and auxiliary leaders) would need to be both male and female. I couldn't find anything in the Handbook, which makes me suspicious of all of this.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo ha!-several years ago when my daughter was baptized, she invited her teacher from school to come, and as it was near Easter that year she invited her to attend sacrament meeting also. Three other teachers asked if they could attend, which thrilled us. After both services we met in the foyer to thank them for coming. Her teacher looked at the other three who nodded their heads, encouraging her to speak up. She said, “What’s up with the three mafia guys sitting up front?” We still laugh about that. Can you imagine their response if they saw General Conference, lol?
Bishop needs more advisors? Must be a BIG WARD. But, in that big ward, he couldn't find a single brother for the calling? Either it's a feminist idology at work or he's also secretly married to those three "advisors"
I do think sadly we could have activist bishops, leaders to the the Gen authorities. I haven't yet experienced thus and I pray I don't, I pray we don't with a general authority etc not ti be ugky and I kniw mitt Romney isn't a leader per say yo my kniwkedge but he would be one that very well coukd be an activist leader. Just using him as an example to my point. I however do nit agree with a woman sitting on the stand with the bishoporic. Let me nite. I am a woman. God doesn't change hus gospel.
A bishop calling a women to sit in on bishopric meetings, read the agenda for sacrament meetings and sit on the stand. Sorry but no! This sounds like woke virtue signalling to me. The Relief Society President is who the bishop should be counselling with regarding women’s issues and the like. Show me where this role is in the handbook of instructions.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo “Drawing from the minutes of the Female Relief Society of Nauvoo, which she had penned and preserved as secretary, Snow explained the Relief Society’s basic organizational patterns and objectives.2 Her article tied the Relief Society to its Nauvoo beginnings under the direction of Joseph Smith, to the New Testament church, and to the priesthood. It also referred to her private conversations with Joseph Smith regarding the society. In December 1867, when President Young issued his first public call for the reorganization of local Relief Societies, many Latter-day Saints were unfamiliar with the organization. Young assigned Snow “to assist the Bishops in organizing Branches of the Society in their respective Wards,”3 a responsibility that apparently included a mandate to provide women and their bishops essential information about the organization’s structure and purposes. Snow thus met with many local Relief Societies and wrote letters to others explaining the structure and purposes of the organization.4 Beginning in 1868, as she traveled from ward to ward to establish the Relief Society, she carried the original Nauvoo minute book with her and often read from it to emphasize the organization’s foundations and to provide guidance regarding how it should be organized and what it might accomplish.”
I believe the wards and stakes should be WAY more autonomous. They're the feet on the ground. They have a mantle and revelation for their ward or they don't.
If only there were an objective way to determine whether somebody was actually receiving Revelation from the spirit, but alas, it's the most subjective thing in the whole world
A bishop calling a women to sit in on bishopric meetings, read the agenda for sacrament meetings and sit on the stand. Sorry but no! This sounds like woke virtue signalling to me. The Relief Society President is who the bishop should be counselling with regarding women’s issues and the like. Show me where this role is in the handbook of instructions.
Let's LEARN something from this! You will because a bear testimony in it!!! WE CAN KNOW THE CHURCH IS TRUE!! Moroni PROMISED! . . Did anyone get their comments deleted?
I have a friend who lives in a small town in Utah. One of the counselors in the bishopric would tell his wife everything that went on with the bishop such as people confessing sins etc... Soon the whole town knew and no one went to talk with the bishop anymore.
That is wwe call an “obispa”.
-Pure Lehite
Incredibly sad
That's messed up.
That’s really sad
@@scubed8671 🤣🤣🤣
I think someone that greets new move-ins is a great idea and helps make sure that they are feeling welcome and helped when We moved into our Ward. I had seven kids at the time. Ages 15 to 3 months old including twins that were two and we had a man in the ward that had just passed away and the relief society seemed to be focused on helping the wife and when they came to visit me I had to stop them to say that I could use some help because they didn't offer me anything. They just came in to say hi. So I think a calling like that is great because sometimes the presidency is stretched pretty thin
Our Bishops wife meets with new move -ins (we have alot) each Sunday but member of bishopric is there also. Nothing confidential is discussed.
Woman officiate in the priesthood everyday in the temple. Yes, they exercise priesthood authority. They just don’t currently preside.
Most of tĥe bishop's wives i have known said they didn't even know when ward activities were because their husbands were so careful of keeping confidences, they told the wives NOTHING.
The Bishop already has 3 assistants and the relief society president can call someone to fill that role
I don't have all the details. I would like to believe that the Bishop was working in good faith. But, I also know that there are activists within the church. In the end, it comes down to the intent of the heart. If the Bishop was acting with the intent to support feminism, then there is a serious problem. The purpose to undermine the role of the priesthood is destructive.
Again, I don't know the details. I hope this was done in good faith.
My mother and some others when they were teenagers in the 1940's were called to a possition as stake funeral singers. That wasn't a regular calling.
I tend to agree with you on most things, Troy, and this as well. If this is being done by revelation through higher leadership, then go for it, but if it’s being done for other reasons like political reasons, then I cannot get behind it. If it’s true the bishop was released and leadership rearranged, then that says a lot about what is going on there. It’s an interesting discussion for sure but I’m on the side of taking direction from the Lord on things like this.
Absolutely!!! Hey there Lasina!
@@TheLastDispensation 👋 hey there! 👋
My goodness, this should not be controversial. Here's my experience:
Years ago, the bishopric called me as the ward typist. This wasn't an auxiliary position, but as an assistant to the bishopric. I met with new members, families of newly blessed babies and baptized children to ensure their certificates were completed accurately and typed neatly. When completed, I presented them to the family for review and on their approval, to the bishop for signature and recording. I also prepared the ward bulletin and other programs. Sisters do similar recording preparation work in the temples. Sisters also assist with sealing cancellation requests. In each case, sisters assist the priesthood. Sometimes this required conversation and sensitivity, such as the time a new member knew only one parent's name or had two parents with male names.
You’re right. Your calling does seem totally normal.
The problem as I see it is this movement for women to “be seen”. We’re already “seen”. Those who agitate for this are doing it for other purposes. They perceive that sitting on the stand - as one example- conveys power or status and they want that. That is what I find foolish and wrongheaded. Seeking position for “equality” or status is the opposite of what any calling in the church is about. They’re just envious of what they perceive as “inequality “. Being equal isn’t being the same.
Off subject...
Hope ur son is doing better!!!❤❤❤
Thanks... A few days after I put out that post everyone was praying and putting his name in the temple and fasting he admitted himself into a hospital for help...
@@TheLastDispensationy'all are still all in my prayers.
@@TheLastDispensation ❤️❤️❤️❤️ ill continue to pray and fast! God bless u and ur family! 🙏
@@TheLastDispensation glad he's taking the steps. Our daughter was very insistent at times when she has needed help and then we have gone back and forth with her trying to be in tune and good listeners to her and making sure that she knew that no matter what was put in her head, that her foundational truths were that she is a daughter of God and and our daughter and we love her soooo much and that nothing would ever change that. They get so manipulated by the Adversary through the world, to trust and take in negative thoughts irrationally to what their core family experience has been. Our poor kids these days. We got to build up our Spiritual armor. I feel like kids born in the late 90s and on, had to come with some armor on just to make it to this point in their lives. So much confusion and different voices
The Relief Society already serves that purpose. 🤦🤷
It should yes. But I have seen times when they could use some additional help in wards I have been in
Most definitely, there ARE activists leaders of the Church.
That's because most of us are chismosos. I was a clerk whilst in school, counting tithing, packaging it all up, taking it to the bank, and pretty much knew who was making what and so forth. I guess technology is good in some ways?
😎😂 chismosos y chimeello! 🤣
Well I guess I don’t understand why that bishop didn’t just say to the relief society president to call someone for that position? A relief society president has the authority to call people to positions with the bishops approval. She can call what is called an add hock position which is temporary and that’s without his ok. So why would the bishop say that her position was an assistant to himself and not the relief society organization? Strange. … 🤔Sounds as if they are trying to pacify some one with liberal ideals. Not acceptable!
Does that inherently mean those women are now directly working off the priesthood line? With the same rights and authority from Jesus Christ? When they are set apart, how is their calling stated? Are they given certain priesthood rights? Is it just an advisor?
And I didn’t know that structurally, bishops or otherwise we’re allowed to deviate from the structure of the church. That’s why we have the bishops Council advisory booked so that there’s an equal understanding of how things are run throughout the global church.
Our church in Ohio once put Christmas lights up. It was beautiful, the church office let us know that wasn’t acceptable. Which is fine.
@@scubed8671 I do understand that in the temple, women are giving special authority for that. But I would say it depends on how this calling is received.
An advisor, if that covers the needs of the Ward.. then OK.
If this is some activist role trying to advocate for giving the women the priesthood, then not only are we splitting hairs, it could be divisive in long-term, not healthy.
Bishops already have 9 female advisors. RS presidency, Primary presidency and Young Women's presidency. Does he really need more?
Exactly
Kind of funny when you put it that way.
Maybe they just want someone that is very outgoing who is more open and people coming into the church in ward do you make them feel welcome. Our relationship isn't exactly doing exactly what she's supposed to do I don't think. Oh well we all have our weaknesses.
I appreciated the shout out! I genuinely enjoy your program. And, as a product of early morning seminary (growing up in Southern California) I hope your seminary students appreciate how fortunate they are to have you as a teacher. All the best this upcoming year!
Everybody is human and makes stupid mistakes!
This would actually be a great idea if used with the spirit. Only with the spirit.
I believe when in question of a subject or leader of the ward one should take it to our Lord Jesus in prayer and fasting first and foremost. Only because Jesus has the wheel at all times, since it is His church wards not our own will to judge blessings to you all with prayers we is all doing Jesus and Heavenly Father's will at all times.
It's all up to the brethren and the first presidency. I will follow their lead.
I don't understand why advisors would be needed. Both the RS and EQ presidents (and their counselors) are now responsible for the general membership of the ward, with the exception of worthiness issues, welfare, general callings, etc. If additional advisors were really needed, it would be those two auxiliaries. And if that were the case, it wouldn't just be women called.
The bishop's main responsibility is to the youth. If additional advisors were needed for the Bishop, it would be to help with the youth. But again, any additional advisors (outside of his counselors and auxiliary leaders) would need to be both male and female.
I couldn't find anything in the Handbook, which makes me suspicious of all of this.
Sitting on the stand would be too much.
Why? Serious question? Not being argumentative.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo ha!-several years ago when my daughter was baptized, she invited her teacher from school to come, and as it was near Easter that year she invited her to attend sacrament meeting also. Three other teachers asked if they could attend, which thrilled us. After both services we met in the foyer to thank them for coming. Her teacher looked at the other three who nodded their heads, encouraging her to speak up. She said, “What’s up with the three mafia guys sitting up front?” We still laugh about that. Can you imagine their response if they saw General Conference, lol?
You cannot deceive the Savior. If you are trying to circumvent His organization it will not go well for you.
Bishop needs more advisors? Must be a BIG WARD. But, in that big ward, he couldn't find a single brother for the calling? Either it's a feminist idology at work or he's also secretly married to those three "advisors"
I do think sadly we could have activist bishops, leaders to the the Gen authorities. I haven't yet experienced thus and I pray I don't, I pray we don't with a general authority etc not ti be ugky and I kniw mitt Romney isn't a leader per say yo my kniwkedge but he would be one that very well coukd be an activist leader. Just using him as an example to my point. I however do nit agree with a woman sitting on the stand with the bishoporic. Let me nite. I am a woman. God doesn't change hus gospel.
Bad idea all around.
A bishop calling a women to sit in on bishopric meetings, read the agenda for sacrament meetings and sit on the stand. Sorry but no! This sounds like woke virtue signalling to me. The Relief Society President is who the bishop should be counselling with regarding women’s issues and the like. Show me where this role is in the handbook of instructions.
Brigham disbanded the RS
So when Eliza R. Snow became the General President of the Relief Society while Brigham Young was alive she did it secretly behind Brigham Youngs back?
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@@Jeanie-nv7lo “Drawing from the minutes of the Female Relief Society of Nauvoo, which she had penned and preserved as secretary, Snow explained the Relief Society’s basic organizational patterns and objectives.2 Her article tied the Relief Society to its Nauvoo beginnings under the direction of Joseph Smith, to the New Testament church, and to the priesthood. It also referred to her private conversations with Joseph Smith regarding the society.
In December 1867, when President Young issued his first public call for the reorganization of local Relief Societies, many Latter-day Saints were unfamiliar with the organization. Young assigned Snow “to assist the Bishops in organizing Branches of the Society in their respective Wards,”3 a responsibility that apparently included a mandate to provide women and their bishops essential information about the organization’s structure and purposes. Snow thus met with many local Relief Societies and wrote letters to others explaining the structure and purposes of the organization.4 Beginning in 1868, as she traveled from ward to ward to establish the Relief Society, she carried the original Nauvoo minute book with her and often read from it to emphasize the organization’s foundations and to provide guidance regarding how it should be organized and what it might accomplish.”
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I believe the wards and stakes should be WAY more autonomous. They're the feet on the ground. They have a mantle and revelation for their ward or they don't.
If only there were an objective way to determine whether somebody was actually receiving Revelation from the spirit, but alas, it's the most subjective thing in the whole world
@@Jeanie-nv7lo Profound.
So..basically each stake / ward does its own thing?
@@colbysmith1776 Do the Lord's thing. They receive revelation for their ward, right?
@@Kalama_Llama_King_Kong . . You Troll!
A bishop calling a women to sit in on bishopric meetings, read the agenda for sacrament meetings and sit on the stand. Sorry but no! This sounds like woke virtue signalling to me. The Relief Society President is who the bishop should be counselling with regarding women’s issues and the like. Show me where this role is in the handbook of instructions.