Half Inch Ram Pump Build and Install
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- Now that the ram pump bucket intake is done its time to get the 1/2" ram installed. In this video I show you how to build a 1/2" ram pump and install it on the bucket.
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I tried to make ram pump today... As you taught in the video... And it's amazing... I got success... It is working... Thanks a lot of... 🙏🙏
I used vertical chack valve without spring as waste valve without spring and a swing valve as delivery valve...
Best tutorial on TH-cam. Thank you so much. This is going to help us a lot!
Thanks, mine is working at my farm , a big help and cost effective
Another great video! I'm very happy with the pump I bought from you. Now I just need to install it again after the latest flood...
Those floods can take out a pump in a hurry. The very first pump that I built was for a lady living off grid. Her pump was washed down river never to be used again.
Thank you for showing how to build a ram pump I've been my first-round phone and it's working very good
Happy to help!
It would be good to mention here and on your RAM pumps for sale website that additional fittings are needed to connect to the water lines.
Seth, what is the formula for pressure chamber dimensions? What is the head height on your creek pump? How high are you raising water to the tank behind your house?
Today, I was thinking of making one. I wanted a half inch because I knew I wouldn't need much. I was going to watch someone else's video, expecting you would not have a video on it. But what do ya' know! On the very same day(today) you uploaded it! You just got a Subscriber.
haha what a coincidence. This has been a top requested video for a long time. I am just getting around to making it .... and you are here to watch. Good day indeed.
I have a question for you, I found a spring on my property. There is about a 10 ft drop from the spring to the point I want to go up hill, I suspect ( not verified yet that I'll need to go up 50 ft plus the hight of a 6 ft tower that my 2 IBC totes will be mounted. If a half inch pump can not make it up the hill can I have a 30 or 55 gallon intermediate tank that will feed a second ram pump. Then the output of the second pump will feed the IBC totes. First filling one then overflow into a second tank that then overflows back to the creek.
Is the spring taken out of that in-line check valve?
Wow! Very clear and direction presentation. Understandable. Good job. Thank you. Maybe you can help me with my project? I'm looking to create an off grid irrigation system and I'm thinking about incorporating this type of pump instead of a solar module, battery, transfer pump, etc. There's a 55 gal water tank that will be elevated 5'. To the spigot at the bottom I would attach a battery powered irrigation timer. Once it opens the water would flow to the ram pump and from the research I've done, it would have enough PSI to activate the micro drip irrigation system. I noticed you said you have to sort of activate the valve with a stick. Is this just one time when you first use the pump or is it every time the water initially flows though? Because if my timer turns the water flow off and I'm not there to reactivate the valve then I probably cannot pursue this option.
Thank you for your time and if you require payment for the consultation, let me know.
How can you use this system with a stagnant pond/swamp and slight (florida) uphil to the house, like maybe -->2 ft/100ft--> rise? (height/distance)
Great job can you tell me how you would work it to have water in a small off grid cabin thanks
The ram pump supplies a constant flow of water but at low flow. To be effective in a cabin you would want to bring the water from the creek with the ram pump to a storage tank. Then use that as the water to the cabin.
What is the bicycle tube used for why would you put it and the tank
Would this work for a 100 foot drop?
I was messing around with my new 1/2" ram pump, and I think I found some calculations that might be helpful. Not sure if these are exact(or work) but they seemed to be correct. To find the gph of the ram pump, do: (p/h)/s
p = Height the ram pump has to pump it
h = How much head you have
s = Size of the pipe
If anyone could test this with their pump, it would be nice :)
Penguindon So I like where you are going with this. I'm currently doing research to build my own ram pump. However I don't think your equation is correct. My reasoning for this is that if you increase p or decrease h you would get less flow rate, not more as your equation suggests. One methodology for developing these types of equations is to look at the units involved. For example gpm is in units of distance squared divided by time so an equation that equals it must also have the same units. (Treat units as numbers that you don't know the value of, we know that x/x = 1 so seconds/seconds also = 1) Again I really like your thought process, and I plan to do some testing on my pump as soon as it's built.
Math is the one thing that I dont like spending time with . I know that it can solve problems without having to go out and build things but I just dont like to do it.
Its nice to have people who are into the math side of ram pumps. I am not one to go deep in the math of fluid dynamics.
this formula means nothing without units. what is the measure you use for desired pumping height? feet , yards, meters, perhaps furlongs or chains?
can I assume your head height is same unit?
and size of pipe? is that I.D. or O.D. ... Or maybe wall thickness? again. inches, feet, millimeters, miles??
It would be nice to have a formula to use when engineering a project, but this is not it.... yet. Try to specify in terms of metric units. (height in meters, pipe size in millimeters or centimeters I.D. and flow in liters per second).
can I use threaded pressure tank cap? so I can easily replace or reflate the inner tube without replacing the whole tank?
I've seen a few people use clean out fittings. These threads are larger intend to have leaks at higher pressures. You might want to try and use a union with smaller threads and an o ring.
Can you put a hose on the brass check valve returning water back to the supply
You can use that water down hill. But if you were to place a hose on the waste valve and return to the source it would stop the pump.
I noticed on your bigger ram pumps you do a reduction in the delivery pipe side and why and not on this one.
The half inch pump does not reduce in delivery mostly because smaller poly pipe and PVC becomes weak at smaller sizes. Because the ram pump is low-flow and low-pressure the delivery pipe size does not matter. You could connect a 4-inch delivery pipe to the half inch pump and it would still deliver the same amount of water
Can we use any other type of valve for the check valve instead of swing valve
Yes you can. Some people use a foot valve with the spring removed. There is a valve that is designed for the ram pump but I do not remember the technical name. Some call it a poppet valve.
Hi! I'm trying to replicate your pump and I was wondering what role do the PVC unions have? PVC fittings are different here in eastern europe and I can't seem to find them, what happens if I just leave them out and use the bushings to connect everything? (Very informative channel btw., I'm glad I found it.)
Hello. The PVC unions are designed to allow you to easily remove the pump from the creek for cleaning or for storage in cold weather. Without those unions it can be very difficult to unscrew the awkward sized pump on stationary drive pipe.
Thank you!
Amazing. Have you thought about generating electricity with it?
Years ago I connected a treadmill motor and a homemade pelton wheel. Made 4v unloaded haha.
@@LandtoHouse I was thinking of filling an elevated header tank of considerable volume and having a 2" to half inch feed for a pelton wheel with 12 permanent magnet located under the header tank? Critic?
To increase efficiency make laminar flow in drive pipe
K, not sure if I posted here or not. I bought the 1/2" pump and put garden hose on it at first for the (drive pipe? The part that feeds the pump), and it failed bc... garden hose.
So today I am installing it with poly pipe, and am making a video about that on my channel. Will put a link on there for this channel.
Hello. Yes garden hose is very flexible and does not work unless you have a high head pressure. Poly pipe should give you nice results. Pvc pipe will provide even better results but poly is just fine.
Thank you for the update!
@@LandtoHouse /Water woes... facepalm. Got the poly, 100 ft. Hooked it up to the turn valve on the pump so I could siphon and turn it off, like you did in your video. I have a five gallon bucket w a fitting on the very bottom of it as a water catcher. Filter on it, but not on the hose, so no blockage. I got water to kind of trickle out of the other end before hooking up the pump, but still not enough to make that pump do its thing. I think that, although my creek is bigger than yours in your videos, I think you have more of an elevation drop. I moved the location of the whole thing downstream where there was more drop (head), and got more water coming out, but still no pump action. Goin to get more poly tomorrow, and add some more on the drive pipe, and I will get a little bit more elevation drop with the greater distance, one end of the creek on my property is quit a bit flatter but curves all over, and the other end is straight and has a better drop rate. Was tryin to avoid that end bc it is close to the road and nosy people's eyeballs, and also is on the opposite end from the hill that I need to pump water up to. LOL
Anyways, still figuring it out. I have deeper water than your creek, so this elevation drop thing is difficult. The creek bed is drastically lower, but it's got two feet of water on the end where the pump goes. Urf.
Just an update. The project has been taken out of my hands, after much fussing w it. I'm just not smart enough, and there is just not enough drop from one end of the creek to the other. My Dad, who is McGuyver n can fix anything, came over n messed w it a while. We did hook it up to one of my rain barrels just to see if a few more feet drop would make that flapper valve engage, and it did just fine for the first time, just 2.more ft.of elevation n a little more water collected for pressure. He even took that pump all apart and tweaked some things. Loosened the nut a bit on that flapper valve (brass check valve). He determined that there is not enough water pressure coming from my drive pipe (due to not enough drop) to get past that second check valve inside. Water just isn't strong enough. He took it home, and is gonna tinker w it (he is a retired mechanic, I wasn't joking when I said Dad can fix anything. He works magic), and build a slightly different design, while I do some clearing and see if I can't work my way further back in the property n find a little more drop.
This project is quickly coming to a fizzle, though, bc Fall is approaching, am still building fencing, and pretty soon the creek will be too fast, too cold, n too deep to be doing all this. And the ground back there where I gotta work turns to a gloppy mud mess not fit for anybody to be in. That patch of land rests in the wet months. Turns to cement in the dry months. And I was reminded that the county may make trouble for me if I post this stuff on the internet. Sigh... We live in a place where you have to fear the government. ,Murica. Land of the free? I spose it could be worse. You guys are lucky to live in a place where folks don't get quite so environmentally ridiculous over there.
Spotted owl and pocket gophers are royalty, here. lol
With your larger pumps the output pipe is smaller than the intake, but not with this one. Could you hypothetically replicate this for a 1inch/25mm pump? Trying to make best use of pipe I have lying around. Thanks
+Matt Thrum as long as the delivery pipe is large enough to prevent friction loss you can use any size. It is fine to use a 1" pipe with 1/2" RAM pump for delivery.
Land to House thanks for the reply! I also saw your drive pipe video which also answered my question. I am planning to build a 1 inch to 1 inch pump. Could you expand on what you mean by friction loss?
If the delivery pipe is too small. Lets say you wanted to use a 3/8" tube with a 1-1/4" ram pump there would be more water pumped than the 3/8" pipe can handle. So the water would be limited by friction of the tube. Using a larger delivery pipe would eliminate that issue.
Land to House Thanks!
Hi. Awesome work with that pump. I have (2) questions. Any idea how much pressure it takes to overcome the spring in your spring type check valve? Would (2) brass swing type check valves work "easier" since they just swing as opposed to having to overcome the spring pressure even ever so slight? Thanks and again, AWESOME WORK !!!!
I had the same question, I think the answer is yes it would be easier with two swing check valves or a spring type with the spring taken out of it
What kind of GPM output can I expect with the 1/2" pump?
It depends on a few things. The head pressure and delivery hight. Say you have 3 feet of head pressure going to the pump. That can lift water to around 21 feet max. Now if you are only pumping to 18 feet you can expect 1/4 gpm while if you are pumping to 15 feet you can get even more. There is a low limit though. If you do not have enough back pressure on the pump it will stop. So basically you will not get much more than 1/2 gpm at its best setting with the small 1/2" pump.
Are those schedule 80 or 40 nipples? Does the schedule 80 hinder the water flow?
They are 80. The flow rate seems to still be consistent.
where did you find your buckets
These are just normal 5gal buckets. Nothing special. You can buy them at most hardware stores.
Instead of using a bladder in the pressure tank shouldn't it be possible to install a sucker valve between the pressure tank and the T-fitting? I don't know if you call them "sucker valve" (I'm german) but i mean those valves which suck in air from the outside when there is negative pressure inside the pressure tank.
+Robert Riedel yes those are referred to as snifter valves. The industrial-grade ram pumps have those. If not tuned properly they are hard work with. Especially on a do-it-yourself model.
Land to House Alright, thanks!
sir
do you have any arrangement/agents in Bangalore India
I do ship pumps to India but I do not have any contacts there.
is that pressure tank a 2 inch PVC pipe?
Yes it sure is.
I had subscribed now. I really want it, but how can I make it work on flat river. I think to make a well like hole and make a water comes from river to well but the problem will occur. First, I will have well full of waste water from ram pump. Second, the water in well has the same height as water on river so it won't work. It's really annoying that I have unlimited water on river, but the terrain condition doesn't support to make it work. Then, I think to make it work by wind turbine, but I need to build tower for wind turbine to make it work (get enough blows of wind) and the tower at least should be 70 feet high. I'm lost of words now. I have other option and that is solar panel but I really don't want it. If I should make it then it should be the last effort I have.
Sadly the ram pump does not work on a flat river. It has to have head pressure to operate. I have been slowly designing a river pump that will one day work on flat water. It is still in the early build stage. But you are right. Digging a hole is not going to work because it will fill with water.
Can you build a water wheel in the river to lift the water higher, and pour it into a sluice that will deliver the water down to your ramp pump? Here are come example videos: th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=water+wheel+pump
Your inner tube will leak air over time. I plan to use ping pong balls as pressure bladders. Would that be ok?
The tube does leak over time. I fear that the pingpong balls will not have the give needed to be a proper bladder. And can 60+ psi crush one? I have a series of tests coming up with tank fill.
@@LandtoHouse It would like to know other alternatives bladder....
Swim Noodle pieces?
Can that tire tube be used if I want potable water? If not, what can be used? Thank you. I love your videos.
The tube can be used in a ram pump pulling from a spring. As far as I know there is no way to isolate the ram pump from the creek that runs the pump and a clean potable source. In other words the pump is only a single action pump.
Land to House Thank you. My application is I'm getting my water directly from a spring head. The water has been tested and is very drinkable. I'm concerned about the rubber tube leaching impurities into my clean water source.
I see. You can use the ram pump without the bladder. Also you can use a house water pressure tank designed for using with clean potable water. So there are options.
What are the size of those components?
All the components are 1/2" in this pump.
Your 1/2 inch Ram pump costs about half of the cost of your 1 inch Ram pump. Does it pump more or less than half the water of your 1 inch Ram pump for the same head and delivery head? Also are there differences in head requirements or limits in delivery heights that you have noticed between the pumps?
what's the purpose of the tire?
It acts as a bladder inside of the pressure tank. Overtime the tank can become waterlogged and the bladder helps keep the pump going when this happens.
I saw one post which the guy used tennis balls! what can.you say about that?
awesome, what about installing from a deep well