@@rossmanngroup Welcome to the internet. Where all logical reasoning goes flying out of the window in place of emotional knee jerk reactions from faceless keyboard warriors who think their own skewed worldly views rule supreme.
Sorry but I'm 8 minutes in and he hasn't got to a f--king point has he? Just ranting against NY politicians as usual and some random analogies about fighting in the street (huh???). edit: @10:58 he's wrong ... indoor dining is not healthier, Covid wise, than a temp outdoor structure that will have natural ventilation ... plus there will be fewer people in the outdoor structure. @16:40 dishonestly comparing warm Florida and cold NYC for Covid spread ... apples and oranges Louis and you know that. @18:50 every anti-NYC rant eventually goes back to that fine lol
sorry, but the point of the video is not valid. a 'door' is an easily moveable barrier. according to the video, if it has a door, it is illegal. the premise is just as bad as the law. if the point is to listen to Louis rant, without making sense, then we have totally missed the point. Sorry Louis, this vid was not based in science. politics has nothing to do with science
Do it. What can they do, fine you? You’re outside, plus courts will be backed up for years for evictions. These are orders, not law enacted through legislature.
Preach it! I'm assuming very few of the people who say, "It's only money. It can be replaced." are small business owners shut down or slowed down by the pandemic.
I started watching your channel out of sheer awe while you fixed computers. Then all of a sudden you introduced all of us to the right to repair issue that I didn't even think about. And now your "on the ground" experience during Covid in New York has been fascinating and informative. I appreciate your unbiased view and commentary.
It makes no sense. Got cops blocking off entrances to small stores or restaurants or a gym even though they are adhering every single social distancing mandate. But walmart is fine. Small edit: or in my personal experience in Boston, a pizzeria closed and can't order in person even at the window, but the 99 Restaurant is open to sit in and eat.
Cops are part of the problem, and what's sad is there was people saying blue lives matter standing up for cops. I'm against blm but maybe they had a point. Fuck the cops they don't care about us
The key to your misunderstanding of science is in your own sentence. "Small" stores are less square footage which means it takes less time to fill up with the covid particles. Covid infection is amount of particles over time. So a GIANT open store like walmart with correct ventilation and people on average going in and out in like 15-20m is an infinitely less likely infection source then a small restaurant/bar where a lot of people spend hours in close proximity. That is science. Louis is absolutely right, those tiny boxes they built are effectively incubators and the worst place to eat. You would be better off INSIDE the restaurant with 25% occupancy. I wish people would understand this very important part of virus infection. It's not an 0/1 problem...it's a amount of particles over time problem.
@@FerryTeunisse okay. Let me change my example here, since this is a good one that I experienced personally. I went to Boston MA last month to get my Hoisting license. I went and tested and said "I want a pizza." Walked down the street and saw a shop, it was closed to seated dining. I wanted to at least go inside and order because I was cold and I didn't want to wait out in the wind. So across the street I saw a sign up at a 99 Restaurant, "dine-in seating open m-f!!!"
@@radicalindividual7774 it's not well known. I had no idea what it was. It looked like an african tribal design to me or something to me. I'm not convinced it's signaling to pedos.
Scientists claim that hydrogen is the most abundant substance in the universe. They are wrong. Stupidity is the most abundant substance. And politicians are filled with the stuff and think we are too. On the animated show, Futurama, they referred to this period in history as the "stupid ages". Bingo!
Nah, that’s a specious argument. Every era is scientifically smarter than the previous, and that will continue forever. I know alternative medicine devotees who say they don’t trust modern medical treatments “because we don’t know enough yet”. Yeah, that true, but we have never known more. And, yes, we will know more tomorrow.
@@altergreenhorn So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure How amazingly unlikely is your birth And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth
@@altergreenhorn In the German version we quote "2 things are endless: Human stupidity and space. But with the first thing I'm not that sure..." - I wonder, in what way Einstein actually said it. Any precise reference known?
@@kopazwashere do you know if there's a way to get a premises certified for a crowding density based on its installed and operating air circulation and filtering? Not that many places can shift 0.5m^3/s per person.
Because the science requires the government to spend money, and we all know how keen they are to do that. Much easier to just say its someone elses problem.
I think its fair to say that nobody here is reading 20 different study papers before coming to conclusions. Everyone stops at a certain point where its "proven" to them, for some that's a low quality jpeg on twitter.
Studies of how particles travel and transmission are absolutely science The fact billionaires convinced one and a half parties to let their corporations do whatever they want is capitalism
I like the direction you are taking! Defining the difference between politics and science is a unfortunately needed. You are on to something. #respect!
We got down to under 50 TOTAL active cases in Australia. It took a couple of mandatory lockdowns, mandatory masks, and limiting capacity of business buildings. As for limiting business, our government paid our businesses to keep their employees employed through the lockdowns. Most of our restaurants went to pick-up/delivery only to stay in business. We were going great. Some restrictions got lifted, now we're back up to 160 Total cases.
So what? It's a chest cold. Have a million cases. Life moves on. Out of all the nations, Australia seems to have lost its marbles completely over this disease. You're gonna end up with a decade of lockdowns if you can't shake "No cases ever of a non-fatal disease".
@A M "it's a chest cold"? Tell that to the families of the millions that have died from this already. Tell that to the families of the 3,000 people who die PER DAY in the United states from this. (That's more deaths per day than the 9/11 terror attacks.) And what's really sad is, it's a completely preventable virus IF people put in the effort required. But hey, helping and protecting your fellow countrymen would be Patriotic, And who wants to be Patriotic when they can instead be selfish.
I prefer having a cat than having a restaurant any day of the week 😋 Man, i feel for all the workers and business owners during these times. Shit is rough.
Worse: by and large it's not legislated at all. It's mandated. At least prohibition, while morally wrong and very stupid, was debated, voted and passed by duly elected representatives and enshrined in the highest law of the land. Lockdowns are decrees issued by microtyrants and voted by nobody. It's not law, it's mandate.
@@Laroac not so far as I can see: so far just the one case in Pennsylvania, and one case in California limited to restricting the creation of new legislation.
They need to change the spirit of the law so people who still need to pay bills can make a living. It's like what Louis said, they want to look good instead of actually doing good. Not sure if it's actually just laziness, incompetence, or maliciousness.
@@WanderTheNomad I dont see anything bad in any way about those outdoor dining areas. What is bad is that the state gets involved infighting disease. DONT. We can do that ourselves. Just as defense, we dont need cops and military, either, and ifthere is a military with nukes, private citicens need something more powerful than nukes just like when the government had muskets we needed canons.
You're completely fixated on indoor vs outdoor when you should be looking at it as individually partitioned vs communal dining space. Creating 10 rooms that hold 4 people each and vent directly outside is going to be a hell of a lot safer than having one large room that houses 40 people that all share the same interior air handler.
To add insult to injury, the people who are forced to enforce these laws will be out of a job in the future because the tax base will eventually bottom out because there will be no business to pay taxes.
@@urinfamousr79 you are confusing communism with capitalism mate. Bezos, Murdoch, Musk, Gates .. these billionaires are not communist leaders ...but they do own all your assets. Meanwhile Americans either die younger or go bankrupt because basic healthcare is unaffordable for minimum wage workers and retirees. Imagine an American in 2020 still worrying about "communism" when your country living standards (and life expectancy) are falling relative to other nations thanks to unfettered free market policies.
@@bluejay313 no one forced anyone to give their money to Bezos he provided a service and kept expanding and no one even tried to challenge him. Theres lots of money out there up for graba people just afraid to venture out on their own and enjoy the comfort of a steady check.
@Big Crunch Like this woman. Who literally admits on a hot mic that she's just saying what they wrote down for her: www.cp24.com/mobile/news/i-just-say-whatever-they-write-down-for-me-health-official-faces-criticism-over-banter-prior-to-covid-19-briefing-1.5233729
this is why a scientist revealing their funding to me is VERY important on how seriously i take them. Idk if you have 100 doctorates from harvard. If your financed by a biased party then what you have to say is not worth anything because you're paid to support a specific opinion. Scientists who hide their funding are just trying to be clever about their biases.
@Christopher Grant Being a tomboy (a female physically, but with more masculine personality traits) is still a woman. If that's what you mean in terms of a spectrum than sure, but that's nothing new. However, what is being tossed around is the idea that a different personality than the norm (like a tomboy for example) IS a seperate gender entirely. Which is what their chart with X amount of genders shows. It's also how they can claim gender is "fluid" and can change often, because anyone at anytime could exhibit different traits of a different personality type. Honestly it just sounds like another form of astrology (Scorpio's act like this, ___ acts like that). "Nobody claims that seriously" They may not all agree to a specific number, but yes there are plenty of people that agree to the notion that a different/unexpected personality type makes you a seperate gender. Entertainment and the media sure agree to it and you don't have to go far on the internet to find people agreeing or pushing that either.
Of course, it's NYS, you gotta have a permit to build ANYTHING! I had to get permits to level my backyard with fill dirt and gravel so I could park my truck on it and not block the driveway. I didn't connect to the street, just the side of my driveway, but the city of Lockport demanded I get a permit and get inspected. $300 just to fill in where a pool use to be.
@@lucash1980 Nope, I had to have a "Landscaping" permit. Had nothing to do with the pool. They hit my neighbor as well when he put up a shed. The shed sat on blocks, so it wasn't a permanent structure. They still made him get a building permit. NY is all about the money.
Near me they took an indoor mall and converted it to an outdoor mall. But since people don't want to eat outdoors in 15F temperature they put up these igloo structures that you actually have to reserve. There is no information as to how they plan on sterilizing the interior after each client or anything. So, alas, we are stuck with the inside which is outside but totally inside dilemma.
The problem is this: there are rules to keep you safe (like not smoking in a gasoline factory) and rules that are there to benefit someone with the disguise of safety. Like these restrictions. One very disgusting example I know of was a business owner who was supposed to shut down his business but refused to do so, so he didn't lose his home. The government arrested him while hes was "open" and fined him for every day he was "open" but obviously in jail. That is a white collar criminal move right there. It it any wonder nobody trusts the government when they do things like this?
@@ifiwantyoutofeel i wish you were wrong. he was the better evil in 2016, and people dont realize he still is now. the issue is who would replace him without destroying the country?
Last spring Inslee banned driving somewhere for a hike. I live in a city where you have to drive to be in nature. I drove 1.5 hours to snowshoe at Steven's pass and a ranger yelled at me and threatened to call the cops. I had no problem snowshoeing because I read actual science articles and the articles made it clear doing things outside was good, and the rangers statment about injured snowshoers taking up needed hospital space was nonsense there are not very many injured snowshowers and the hospitals were not that full . I also knew my unemployment was going to run out before the cirisis had passed and was trying to figure out what lower paying job I could do in lieu of my normal high paying job. This was the point where I started ignoring what the politiicans were asking me to do, I realized I would be better off if I ignored my leaders. California has some of the strictest rules in the nation yet it also has the highest number of cases. When I visted my family in California for the holidays I noticed that alot of Californian's were not following the rules. California leaders need to realize that if they make rules that are unjust/don't make scientific sense people will stop listening to what they say. Making bad rules is worse than making no rules because when you make bad rules people won't do the few good things you propose. The ban on holiday visits was another bad rule there are ways to safely see realatives and it really helps a persons mental health. I was very careful when I traveled the high risk grandparents stayed home and no one got COVID.
This is exactly true. Bad rules come from politicians trying to control things they just don't have control over. Politicians fearing people will go out and congregate in large numbers at hiking trails since they're shutdown and not working, so they try to regulate it. In my state early in the pandemic they shut down park bathrooms. Does this may people stay home? No, they go to the park and when they need to pee they invade some local business. So then local businesses shut their bathrooms, and people start shitting all over the park because they have no other choice. Instead of cleaning one bathroom once a month now the park service had to clean people's poo from all over the ground, definitely not helping with disease spreading, so finally they just opened park bathrooms again. This stuff works better when the public is informed, capable, and makes their own choices rather than being lied to, manipulated, or mandated to try to make them do things they don't understand.
Boxing day (like black Friday) shopping here in Australia was so shittly managed. We went to a dfo, basically a shopping center. Just as many people went this Christmas as last, but the shops all had limits to how many people could be in them so instead of everyone being spread out in the stores and the "halls" everyone was crammed in the hallways with like 12 people in each store. I really did not see the point of it. Particularly seeing as life is mostly back to normal here. Daily cases are nearly none existent and the majority of people who do have it are in hotel quarantine after arriving from overseas.
Saying "believe the science" is a huge part of why people don't. Science is a method, not a belief. Once you make it a belief, it becomes a belief to be rejected.
Science is a way of thinking, logical critical thinking, to be able to see the different between straight idiocy and what's not so idiotic, not about what's "right" or "wrong", the rightfullness of something is relative to every person. And that's mostly why people don't follow with science, it's misunderstood, people force science as this "right" thing, even though in my opinion it is, others may not see it that way, and there's of course the people who choose to disagree on something no matter how right or wrong it is! Another point is, the higher ups want it to be that way, if people were to have that scientifical way of thinking, then they would be actually smart people, and said higher ups don't want a vaste majority of people to be "smart", that will make them less and less profit, as "smart" people are harder to fool, therefor harder to exploit for pure self benefit.
My thoughts exactly. You shouldn't have to "believe" in science because the foundation of good science is a theory that's backed up by a good argument. It's a logical process of trial and error, not magic (although I suppose it would seem like magic to the scientifically illiterate lol)
@@TheArnoldification absolutely! I can't even imagine trying to explain quantum physics for example to someone who's scientifically illiterate. If we still lived in the dark ages, we'd be burnt the second we speak, which I guess still is the case, but not literally
I concur. I’ve been in the HVAC since industry for 22 years. I’ve contacted the Department of Buildings in regards to proper ventilation of restaurants for indoor dining. With plexiglass partitions, flexible ductwork it can be done. Square footage determines how many diners at a time. It doesn’t have to break the bank to do this. But, no one wants the headache. Politicians are like movie stars... they just want to look good. My wife recently had Covid, they send you home, with zero guidelines, just a good luck. Luckily I was a medic in the Army( and a civilian Paramedic). So, I didn’t get it, nor did my children. If you get really sick, then you may go to the hospital, maybe you won’t get a placebo. The times we live in my friend. It’s the 7th year, of the reign, of King DeBlas and Emperor Cuomo.
My girlfriend and I have been talking about this recently funnily enough and we really wish more problem solvers were politicians like engineers for example.
@Christopher Grant weird I'm of the opposite opinion *shrug*. The engineers I've met are some of the best managers out there. Can't imagine a group of say 50 engineers solving societal problems would somehow be worse than having 50 politicians with no problem solving experience like we have now.
This is an important distinction Louis is making. There are countless examples of public orders and laws that have literally no evidence or logic behind them but inevitably we see the sheep scolding people for “violating” them. An example, airlines can operate with hundreds packed in airplanes, yet individuals are mandated, via threat of punishment via state force, to wear a mask outside with no one else around them. The same for numerous commercial businesses and evidence free occupancy restrictions.
if you're driving with no cars around you, you are still required to wear a seatbelt, always a chance someone can bump into you at some point and you can get into a collision. Just wear a fucking mask when you're indoors, it doesn't matter if nobody else is near you for that specific time. It's really not that fucking difficult, stop whining.
I live in space coast Florida. We have had no lockdown in any local stores. Big box stores "require masks" cause corporate made them put up signs but nobody enforces it here. Been like this for about 6 months now. Our hospitals are at normal capacity.
Congratulations, you're still in the first wave. The question is what will you do after your numbers go to shit... will you question yourself and reexamine your position? Or will you just forget about it and move on to some other metric you found on facebook that fits?
This is why I’m happy that I live in The Netherlands. There are cases of business owners over here that don’t get adequate compensation, but at least the government compensates most businesses. If you have to close down businesses because of the pandemic, you should also work out a plan to help those businesses and prevent them from going bankrupt.
Its frustrating because like you say, there MUST be a way to ventilate sufficiently, it may even be EASIER in these outbuildings rather than retro-fitting a building, but without advice and help in doing it you're dead right - it wont happen. The restaurants are going to do the minimum they can get away with, because they're already financially struggling due to how much less trade they will be doing due to no indoor dining. There are no easy answers and the government don't want to lift a finger to help.
Florida has had lock downs. Businesses enforce their own now, for the most part. But, NYC has had more due to the fact that Florida is WAY more spread out than NYC.
We also don’t have the same type of public transportation infrastructure that NYC has. Our buses and railroad/metro rail train systems are a laughable attempt at solving the transportation problems in Miami.
@@snapchatsnacks3154 Formally the lockdown should end on Jan 19 in the Netherlands. But everybody knows it will be extended. I personally believe right into March, because that's the only sensible thing to do. At the moment the epidemic has more or less stabilized, as it has in Belgium. But in Germany things are very bad. Their death toll for the last four days: 944, 1019, 1070, 1182. Compare these to the USA, which have a 4 times larger population and you will notice they are in the same league. Be careful with German case numbers though. Since Nov they are a factor 3 too low, nobody knows why. So today Jan 8 they counted some 31800 new cases. Multiply by 3 and you get 95400 cases. THAT is the realistic number. It's not that I am proud of the Dutch handling of the epidemic. We failed miserably. But truth be told: for the first time since Feb Germany is doing worse. Anyway, I've been telling people from Sep onwards that Jan-Mar will be the tough months.
I can't believe how many small minded, blinder wearing, lip to politician butt soldered people are in the comments. Louis, you hit the nail on the head when you said, "people on team red and team blue are ideologically possessed," among many other true quotes by you. I have sooooo much more to agree with, like agreeing with everything else you said because I too do not take sides with team red or blue which frees up my mind to use the simple knowledge available to everyone to confront and tackle simple and difficult issues. I also do not wear political glasses, you know, "horse blinders." This obviously expands my perception, thoughts, ideas etc. Because my lips are free from the political solder that binds, I can exercise my right to free speech. Thank You Louis for another informative video helping those who can't see the political wrecking ball coming straight towards them, to see it and to move out of the way to fight and live another day.
Interesting phenomenon when the virus doesn't exist inside Walmart, home Depot, Target, Lowes, Walgreens, CVS, airplanes (you get the idea) but it spreads and kills when you're inside a restaurant .....................................
You cannot pay me to walk inside a pharmacy right now. CVS, Walgreen's and Walmart are most definitely not on my shopping list right now. I have found that a place called Dollar General is a misnomer and brilliant hidden gem for acquiring many common staples. If you have one close by, definitely check it out! It is like a Walgreens without a pharmacy and with better pricing. It is not at all a "dollar" store. th-cam.com/video/DZG0lUXjxfY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/DZG0lUXjxfY/w-d-xo.html
Difference is everyone in those retailers is supposed to be wearing a mask. In restaurants the patrons do not have to while dining. Makes a huge difference. Its not rocket science as to why communal dining is riskier without a mask than communal shopping with a mask on.
@@adamn7516 except that most masks are minimally effective. Eating in a restaurant with people that don't have the virus is not a risk. Mask mandates have been around for 6 months now with 85-90 compliance or maybe even higher, yet the numbers keep going up. Destroying small businesses while allowing big box stores to remain open, because masks make it all 'safe' is a pile of rubbish.
@@GeorgeVCohea-dw7ou My man talking about dollar general like they're rare. Lmao they're everywhere at least in the midwest any small town of people(under 1000) is guaranteed to have one.
@@joeshmoe7967 the masks are also pieces of fabric that anyone can make, they aren't tested and I doubt that people wash them enough to make them totally sanitary, a cashier at a gas station wearing one for 8 hours a day is likely to get sick from wearing one for prolonged periods of time
@@Milkmans_Son I wonder how Biden will improve on what Trump has done in the next 4yrs. The big man has big plans but he's a dumbass piece of shit probably fucked a few dozing kids on Epstien Island. But America is better off now. So what.
I agree with almost everything Louis said, apart from the bit about science and these outside inside kyosks. I already talked about this in a previous comment in the previous video, but I'll repeat again because I don't want people to miss this. Politics and science should stay separated, or at the very least be seen as independent entities to be treated differently. It's extremely bad when government, mayors, governors, president and whatnot enact hard generalist policies that don't offer alternatives, solutions or some sort of relief, even when it is in response to something serious, like a pandemic.... particularly in countries that should have conditions to provide some solutions or at least some relief. And I think a lot of what could've been done just didn't happen because of government lack of trust in science, general chaos and confusion regarding who to trust, which made people lose time and money in fruitless arguments when those could've been better spent on thinking about better strategies to handle the situation better. Ok, now, about those outside inside kyosks and... well, shackles or cabins, and it being better or worse than dining inside. Let me preface this with - studies are still ongoing, the science isn't 100% on most things about the pandemic, but I'm basing my comment on studies and articles that I've read... so it can't be considered anything more than my personal opinion really, but I'll still link to some studies that gives some base to what I'm saying. The transparent tents and the shackles that Louis encountered in NY. The alternative offered is an outside but inside solution. Because temperatures are freezing. Which then Louis said seems worse than simply being inside. Here's where I disagree. What are the advantages of the tents and shackles? First, isolation between tables. Because those are all individual table booths, what you avoid is costumers getting into any space shared among all costumers, without a mask. Even more if they never set foot inside the restaurant, paying the bill at the table and then going back home. Second, if the restaurant has a policy of limiting the number of people in each table, or something like allowing only people from a same household inside a booth, then it's very effective. Because what you essencially have is people who are already in contact with each other inside a confined space. If the restaurant is not asking for this, then this point is moot... though you are still limiting the risk of infection only to a single table instead of going through multiple tables. Third, there have been reported cases of transmission between different tables because of a central ventilation system, which is likely in most restaurants. Basically, what you have is air conditioning system having a strong enough airflow to carry aerosols with the virus from one table to another. Fourth, with the dynamics of aerosols taken in consideration, if those booths are cleaned up in between costumers, they considerably lower the risk of transmitting the disease. The virus is present mostly on aerosols that don't remain airborne for too long, so as long as you take care of surfaces cleaning them up well, it won't just stay floating in the air. If neither the booths nor the tables are being cleaned off, worst case scenario, you gotta remember that the virus is still being spread by aerosols - which are heavy, and quickly drop to the floor. So transmission is still less likely than when you have lots of people packed inside the same space talking, eating, coughing and sneezing. The virus does seem to survive in cold surfaces for sometime depending on type of material, but studies are still inconclusive about that type of indirect transmission... what we know is that Covid-19 is mostly spreading person to person directly, in these superspreader events. Fifth, also conditional. If restaurant staff ask costumers to only take the mask off inside the booth, and put it back on if they intend to leave it, this also helps limiting exposure. Sixth, regarding other comments Louis made. Filters only help contain stuff either coming from outside or going outside, if the air conditioning system is central, which is the case for most restaurants. Best case scenario would be for each booth to have it's own isolated filtered system. Ventilation can be good, but only if it's exchanging air with the outside quickly... which often doesn't happen during winter. If you only have strong air circulation inside a confined space, it can actually be worse - because it's helping spread aerosols all around the room. This is among the reasons why cruise ship cases went to bad - they had a lot of internal air circulation, but it didn't exchange much of it with the outside. And now, here's the kicker - if all those conditions are met, it might be safer to eat in those individual booths, outside but inside, than just outside. Because this is all about aerosol containment. If only some of the conditions are met, it might still be safer than eating inside, but perhaps not outside outside. Because even if the virus is spread among people sitting on a single isolated table, it's still better than it spreading among strangers, which is what scientists are calling superspreading events. One person infected means it spreading out inside an entire household, and potentially inside an entire social circle, so if it's contained in a table, there is potential for it to stay only at that social circle and not go further than it was already going to go one way or another. And with this, I should also note another misunderstood thing with the term outdoors - it's generally used because usually, outdoor tables are more spaced out, there are more chances for aerosols to spread away with outdoors airflow, and during daytime you have the sun hitting on... which might kill some of the virus. That said, if you saw videos... I particularly have seen videos in Paris of all places... where people are eating outside, but the tables are almost shoulder to shoulder packed, restaurants filled to the brim, and waiters/waitresses almost not having space to attend tables... that could be potentially worse than eating inside with half capacity. Again, because this is about aerosol containment. So you see how complicated this can get. And how important understanding the science behind it is. Just remember what I already said. This isn't black and white. Most studies about how the virus spreads out are inconclusive, or just still not 100%. And there are lots of ifs and buts for measures to be effective. Just that, it's better to follow whatever is already out there in scientific investigation, than politics, popular knowledge, or what the uncle of a friend said on your favorite chat app or social media. Links: www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-coronavirus-spreads-through-the-air-what-we-know-so-far1/ www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_x www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2271-3 jkms.org/DOIx.php?id=10.3346/jkms.2020.35.e415 wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMicm072576 www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMicm1501197
I think Louis just explained every problem a large bureaucracy has , applying one size fits all solutions to complex problems. At my work people were throwing away recycle and hazardous materials into the garbage so the business gets fines. The brilliant one size solution was to lock the garbage with padlocks so nobody can throw anything away. So now there are garbage bags filled with garbage around the locked trash containers, animals break open the trash bags and now the outside is a garbage dump , yep way better than being able to put the garbage into the garbage rollers.
There seems to be a lot of it about. Along with blind or blinkered idiocy. Great song btw. "She blinded me with Science". By Thomas Dolby. I was just listening it a few days ago.
"Science is how we prevent this from happening in the future" - 1) no one lives under a meritocracy where we are remotely guaranteed the policy next time won't be to ignore science. 2) I'm reminded of the saying "Every time we make it idiot proof someone goes and makes a better idiot!!"
If the so called doctors placed in charge by politicians practiced what they preach, I would believe them. So far all I've seen is rules for thee, but not for me. That's why declaring indoor dining bad is bullshit. But indoor dining for the rule makers is ok. Not for us though.
This is a great video Louis has done here. There are a few other ingredients involved in this mess besides science and the politics on state and municipal levels and Louis gets to it at about 15:00 into this video: There are also matters of micro vs macro economics, the US federal government of a sovereign country that issues its own sovereign currency and the US Congress and Executive which have utterly failed to use the powers they have to get ALL of us through this global and national natural catastrophe that ameliorates widespread suffering and could relieve regular people, small businesses from making choices that range from ridiculous to absurd to navigate this fucked up situation. There’s a massive economic problem involved beyond local politics. The roots of this problem are at the federal level of government and the federal level of politics. The corporations and Wall Street (speaking colloquially) and thus the ultra-wealthy have been LARGELY been taken care of but the rest of us have been fucked and robbed blind by the system controlled by Congress and the President who in turn are owned by and serve the interests of those already described above-NOT US! “It’s a big club but you aren’t in it!” George Carlin
@@kingzach74 For starters, a significant number of scientists are religious (ranging from 30% to 90% depending on the country), so that is neither here nor there. Secondly, if you studied history you would know that science and politics is often closely tied together via various formats. These formats being: 1. Political party & or government funding of research and development programs 2. Political leanings of the scientists 3. Ethical standards (or lack thereof) of the government the science takes place in 4. The influence of government dictating what can and cannot be researched 5. Military funded programs 6. The particular perspective of a widespread political movement overtaking a country having an influence on the science undertaken. *_Example:_* WW2 Germany's Eugenics programs and the Soviet Union's Lysenkoism and rejection/substitution of Natural Selection with Lamarckism for example
Now, instead of _science,_ politicians are wielding _The_ Science, which determines that anything is however politicians say it is regardless of reality.
Science is not about picking sides. It should be all unified where experts with differing views chime in and come up with the best solution based on current knowledge. The problem with these lockdowns and restrictions is that they all SOUND and FEEL good, but this does not equate to them working in the REAL WORLD. I was in grad school in a research lab and when we did experiments, we would perform several replicate tests, possibly with some variations to test a hypothesis. If there was no expected result (or signal) observed, which my adviser said my wheels were spinning without traction, I would try a different course of action or even give up on that project to not waste time or resources. The problem with what we are doing now in real life with these lockdowns is we are performing the same experiment for the past 9+ months and just expecting that it will work if we just keep trying. We are literally spinning our wheels and going nowhere... At some point the experiment just has to be called a failure and not worth the negative consequences to the public.
My father works at a Diner here in Jersey and his boss is dead. We think it's COVID since he got tested the day before and wasn't feeling well. The dishwasher has stopped coming into work 3 weeks ago and he felt ill before he left. In door dining is just not a good idea.
lmao my father said to me anyone who cuts there own hair are normally crazy. there seems to be some truth to it after all Britney spears Miley Cyrus louis Rossman :D
So I guess when people say that politicians are using the pandemic as a means of control and/or revenue generation, they are right. If these policies are not motivated by science, what else could be the motivation?
It's not some nefarious plot, this is what a failing state looks like. The people making money off of this are just taking advantage of the situation like they always do.
Can only pray for the people who were evicted back in the summer of 2020 now that it is 28 degree's in Texas. The coldest winter in recent history just so happens to correlate with one of the largest government backed evictions in US history. Disregarding the lack of food, water, or shelter for those evicted. It's still terrible because the common average person is so strapped for cash they likely don't have their heaters on in literally freezing weather.
Spot-on as always. Sound logic, but some folks are more concerned with how things appear, than the logic behind things. Crossing that barrier is the real trick.
Reality: American small business and middle class is completely "dead. "Fact" Check Service: Everything is completely fine in America. Never mind the closed everything.
Often times scientist aren't actually bought, but the organizations they work for are being sponsored by a private company to do research on a specific subject. The companies will only continue their sponsorship, if the results align with their goals. I think that's the real problem.
When you started listing A, B, and C you forgot D: when they come to collect taxes from you knowing dam well they haven't allowed you to make the money to pay them.
A loooooot of people in the comments seem to have missed the entire point of this video
Welcome to youtube.
@@rossmanngroup more like welcome to any comment section on any platform
@@rossmanngroup Welcome to the internet. Where all logical reasoning goes flying out of the window in place of emotional knee jerk reactions from faceless keyboard warriors who think their own skewed worldly views rule supreme.
Sorry but I'm 8 minutes in and he hasn't got to a f--king point has he? Just ranting against NY politicians as usual and some random analogies about fighting in the street (huh???).
edit: @10:58 he's wrong ... indoor dining is not healthier, Covid wise, than a temp outdoor structure that will have natural ventilation ... plus there will be fewer people in the outdoor structure. @16:40 dishonestly comparing warm Florida and cold NYC for Covid spread ... apples and oranges Louis and you know that. @18:50 every anti-NYC rant eventually goes back to that fine lol
sorry, but the point of the video is not valid.
a 'door' is an easily moveable barrier. according to the video, if it has a door, it is illegal.
the premise is just as bad as the law.
if the point is to listen to Louis rant, without making sense, then we have totally missed the point.
Sorry Louis, this vid was not based in science.
politics has nothing to do with science
New York needs a cigarette test. If those dining booths are outside, then it should be OK to smoke while eating there.
Do it!!! There is nothing to lose, except a badass Supreme Court battle.
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Genius. Please do
Do it. What can they do, fine you? You’re outside, plus courts will be backed up for years for evictions. These are orders, not law enacted through legislature.
Perfect. Would love to see video of this.
Im trying this next time I'm out. Wish me luck. 👍
I wholeheartedly agree. “We’re not denying science. We’re rejecting your judgement.”
Preach it! I'm assuming very few of the people who say, "It's only money. It can be replaced." are small business owners shut down or slowed down by the pandemic.
Politicians: "Inside is not okay, unless your outside is inside of outside."
Mama! Mama! I went to town! Inside outside upside down!
Catch yah on the flip side
Lol
If you inside outside, then your safe...but not inside!
Wtf
Who else just loves listening to Louis talking about things?
Me
Me
#metoo
@@dation0000 wrong hashtag 💀
I started watching your channel out of sheer awe while you fixed computers. Then all of a sudden you introduced all of us to the right to repair issue that I didn't even think about. And now your "on the ground" experience during Covid in New York has been fascinating and informative. I appreciate your unbiased view and commentary.
Same story with me lol
Thanks Louis. The world is a better place because of people like you.
I like the camera angle, it makes you look like a scientist.
It does lmao, it doesn’t help that he’s got a white jacket on
I think it’s the microscope and pineapple buddy that really says “s c i e n c e”.
It makes no sense.
Got cops blocking off entrances to small stores or restaurants or a gym even though they are adhering every single social distancing mandate.
But walmart is fine.
Small edit: or in my personal experience in Boston, a pizzeria closed and can't order in person even at the window, but the 99 Restaurant is open to sit in and eat.
Cops are part of the problem, and what's sad is there was people saying blue lives matter standing up for cops. I'm against blm but maybe they had a point. Fuck the cops they don't care about us
And subways and airplanes and congressman's houses
The key to your misunderstanding of science is in your own sentence. "Small" stores are less square footage which means it takes less time to fill up with the covid particles. Covid infection is amount of particles over time. So a GIANT open store like walmart with correct ventilation and people on average going in and out in like 15-20m is an infinitely less likely infection source then a small restaurant/bar where a lot of people spend hours in close proximity. That is science. Louis is absolutely right, those tiny boxes they built are effectively incubators and the worst place to eat. You would be better off INSIDE the restaurant with 25% occupancy. I wish people would understand this very important part of virus infection. It's not an 0/1 problem...it's a amount of particles over time problem.
@@FerryTeunisse ^ this
@@FerryTeunisse okay. Let me change my example here, since this is a good one that I experienced personally. I went to Boston MA last month to get my Hoisting license. I went and tested and said "I want a pizza." Walked down the street and saw a shop, it was closed to seated dining. I wanted to at least go inside and order because I was cold and I didn't want to wait out in the wind.
So across the street I saw a sign up at a 99 Restaurant, "dine-in seating open m-f!!!"
"That's called sticking the tip in." That's a great way to explain it.
😂🙌🏼
Here's what happens immediately after sticking the tip in i.postimg.cc/brK6fD3q/screenshot-9.png
Dont want to imagine what his sex life is like
@@smoothcortex who's?
13:30 - "That's not caring for every life, that's caring for your own fucking image." Truer words have not been spoken. Great video
DeBlasio also danced at times square. When everyone else were not allowed. Classy.
exactly. he went on tv earlier telling everyone to stay home. then he did that. someone should break his dancing legs.
"rules for thee, but not for me" is a common trait among elites of communist persuasion. Deblasio is just another one on the list who believe that.
@sublime90 That's a damn good idea!
With his wife. Wearing a known pedophile "boy lover" symbol plastered all over her mask.
@@radicalindividual7774 it's not well known. I had no idea what it was. It looked like an african tribal design to me or something to me. I'm not convinced it's signaling to pedos.
Scientists claim that hydrogen is the most abundant substance in the universe. They are wrong. Stupidity is the most abundant substance. And politicians are filled with the stuff and think we are too. On the animated show, Futurama, they referred to this period in history as the "stupid ages". Bingo!
Nah, that’s a specious argument. Every era is scientifically smarter than the previous, and that will continue forever. I know alternative medicine devotees who say they don’t trust modern medical treatments “because we don’t know enough yet”. Yeah, that true, but we have never known more. And, yes, we will know more tomorrow.
As Einstein said there may be the end of the space, but for sure there is no end of a human stupidity
@@altergreenhorn So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth
@@altergreenhorn In the German version we quote "2 things are endless: Human stupidity and space. But with the first thing I'm not that sure..." - I wonder, in what way Einstein actually said it. Any precise reference known?
@@Tuepp Well Einstein was German...
if it has 4 walls and a roof, its indoors.
Yep; it's got restricted air circulation, therefore it's an infection risk.
you can reduce the risk with good ventilation, but 99.78% of places ive seen doesnt have one.
Not when the inside is outside. It's still outside... kind of.
@@kopazwashere do you know if there's a way to get a premises certified for a crowding density based on its installed and operating air circulation and filtering? Not that many places can shift 0.5m^3/s per person.
It is only indoors if they can tax it ... nothing is real to the government if they can’t tax it.
The reason why people don't trust "The Science!™" is because they have not been using science at any point in this mess.
Because the science requires the government to spend money, and we all know how keen they are to do that. Much easier to just say its someone elses problem.
I think its fair to say that nobody here is reading 20 different study papers before coming to conclusions.
Everyone stops at a certain point where its "proven" to them, for some that's a low quality jpeg on twitter.
Studies of how particles travel and transmission are absolutely science
The fact billionaires convinced one and a half parties to let their corporations do whatever they want is capitalism
The science says we need a complete shut down but businesses cry, thus dragging this pandemic out.
@@Demon_Curse Complete shutdowns prolong viruses, as we've all seen.
The mayor told everybody to go home on New Years Eve ball dropping AND THEN HE and 60 other had a party.
I mean New York isn't the only place we are getting memes like this.
yup hollywood productions are essential business in LA lmao
Kate Brown
The whole world is a meme.
Marijuana was considered an essential business in California! Although I basically support that I just find it a little humorous
I think I learn more real news from your channel than I do from anywhere else. Thank you for doing what you are doing!
I like the direction you are taking! Defining the difference between politics and science is a unfortunately needed. You are on to something. #respect!
This video is the most practical explaination of why we need a social safety net that I've seen.
We got down to under 50 TOTAL active cases in Australia. It took a couple of mandatory lockdowns, mandatory masks, and limiting capacity of business buildings.
As for limiting business, our government paid our businesses to keep their employees employed through the lockdowns.
Most of our restaurants went to pick-up/delivery only to stay in business.
We were going great.
Some restrictions got lifted, now we're back up to 160 Total cases.
So what? It's a chest cold. Have a million cases. Life moves on. Out of all the nations, Australia seems to have lost its marbles completely over this disease. You're gonna end up with a decade of lockdowns if you can't shake "No cases ever of a non-fatal disease".
@A M "it's a chest cold"?
Tell that to the families of the millions that have died from this already.
Tell that to the families of the 3,000 people who die PER DAY in the United states from this. (That's more deaths per day than the 9/11 terror attacks.)
And what's really sad is, it's a completely preventable virus IF people put in the effort required. But hey, helping and protecting your fellow countrymen would be Patriotic, And who wants to be Patriotic when they can instead be selfish.
But Louis, what you're suggesting here requires people to use logic and to actually think. You can't expect people to do that! Are you crazy?
I learned today, a restaurant is like a cat.
I prefer having a cat than having a restaurant any day of the week 😋 Man, i feel for all the workers and business owners during these times. Shit is rough.
This is like Prohibition; it's legislation that's not funded or enforced.
Worse: by and large it's not legislated at all. It's mandated. At least prohibition, while morally wrong and very stupid, was debated, voted and passed by duly elected representatives and enshrined in the highest law of the land. Lockdowns are decrees issued by microtyrants and voted by nobody. It's not law, it's mandate.
@@SausageFingers420 if lockdowns weren't legal the various legal challenges would have struck them down.
@@williamchamberlain2263 One issue with that statement. They’ve been deemed unconstitutional. The tyrants don’t back down regardless.
@@syntheticfox_real They haven't been deemed unconstitutional by any authority with the knowledge and authority to do so.
@@Laroac not so far as I can see: so far just the one case in Pennsylvania, and one case in California limited to restricting the creation of new legislation.
Thank you, Louis!!!! 🙏🙏🙏⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks for speaking out, Louis.
Malicious compliance. Following the letter of the law but not the spirit. Can't say i totally blame them, though.
They need to change the spirit of the law so people who still need to pay bills can make a living. It's like what Louis said, they want to look good instead of actually doing good. Not sure if it's actually just laziness, incompetence, or maliciousness.
@@WanderTheNomad I dont see anything bad in any way about those outdoor dining areas. What is bad is that the state gets involved infighting disease. DONT. We can do that ourselves. Just as defense, we dont need cops and military, either, and ifthere is a military with nukes, private citicens need something more powerful than nukes just like when the government had muskets we needed canons.
Not actually malicious, just kind of a figure of speech like the subreddit. I actually think what the restaurants are doing is understandable.
@@jeff6413 I was talking about the politicians making policies, not the restaurants following them.
You're completely fixated on indoor vs outdoor when you should be looking at it as individually partitioned vs communal dining space. Creating 10 rooms that hold 4 people each and vent directly outside is going to be a hell of a lot safer than having one large room that houses 40 people that all share the same interior air handler.
All they need to do is remove the door. It's no longer indoors. Science!
Just need those plastic flaps that hang down, to keep big walk in fridges cold.
@@ZippyDooDa435 also to rub the covid from one face onto the next. But yes you are right not a door so keeps it out doors!
"we're not In-doors, we're on the other side of doors!"
everything inside will be stolen
@@alexm566 I'm amazed no one has stolen the whole building
Your insights are valid and valuable, well thought out, and well articulated. Thank you.
This is the same conversation my wife and I had when we saw the igloo tents when we drove by a mall in Denver.
To add insult to injury, the people who are forced to enforce these laws will be out of a job in the future because the tax base will eventually bottom out because there will be no business to pay taxes.
Not true in communism your socialize the bottom while the top own the assets, you will always need police to keep the plebs in order.
The plan is to defund the local polices, regardless of the tax base, and instead have a police force that answers to the Party.
@@urinfamousr79 you are confusing communism with capitalism mate. Bezos, Murdoch, Musk, Gates .. these billionaires are not communist leaders ...but they do own all your assets. Meanwhile Americans either die younger or go bankrupt because basic healthcare is unaffordable for minimum wage workers and retirees. Imagine an American in 2020 still worrying about "communism" when your country living standards (and life expectancy) are falling relative to other nations thanks to unfettered free market policies.
@@bluejay313 no one forced anyone to give their money to Bezos he provided a service and kept expanding and no one even tried to challenge him. Theres lots of money out there up for graba people just afraid to venture out on their own and enjoy the comfort of a steady check.
Good thing monopolistic markets don't give you a fucking choice.
From the thumbnail I thought Louis was wearing a lab coat
Excellent way to describe these situations. Great video!
You have a voice that very few people have. Hammer the facts of science. Fact vs. opinion.
Our restaurants have been open since May.
Theres science and there is politics. Then there are scientists who are financed by politicians, and that's where the problems begin.
The science isn't backing these policies though...
@Big Crunch Like this woman. Who literally admits on a hot mic that she's just saying what they wrote down for her: www.cp24.com/mobile/news/i-just-say-whatever-they-write-down-for-me-health-official-faces-criticism-over-banter-prior-to-covid-19-briefing-1.5233729
this is why a scientist revealing their funding to me is VERY important on how seriously i take them. Idk if you have 100 doctorates from harvard. If your financed by a biased party then what you have to say is not worth anything because you're paid to support a specific opinion.
Scientists who hide their funding are just trying to be clever about their biases.
The same people saying “TRUST THE SCIENCE” also claim there’s 75+ genders...
@Christopher Grant Being a tomboy (a female physically, but with more masculine personality traits) is still a woman. If that's what you mean in terms of a spectrum than sure, but that's nothing new.
However, what is being tossed around is the idea that a different personality than the norm (like a tomboy for example) IS a seperate gender entirely.
Which is what their chart with X amount of genders shows. It's also how they can claim gender is "fluid" and can change often, because anyone at anytime could exhibit different traits of a different personality type. Honestly it just sounds like another form of astrology (Scorpio's act like this, ___ acts like that).
"Nobody claims that seriously"
They may not all agree to a specific number, but yes there are plenty of people that agree to the notion that a different/unexpected personality type makes you a seperate gender. Entertainment and the media sure agree to it and you don't have to go far on the internet to find people agreeing or pushing that either.
Do they have building inspections on the " outside ,"
Of course, it's NYS, you gotta have a permit to build ANYTHING! I had to get permits to level my backyard with fill dirt and gravel so I could park my truck on it and not block the driveway.
I didn't connect to the street, just the side of my driveway, but the city of Lockport demanded I get a permit and get inspected. $300 just to fill in where a pool use to be.
@@82ndAbnVet Pool? What pool? All I see is a load a' gravel!! What? Never you mind what Google Maps shows--ain't no pool here fella!
@@lucash1980 Nope, I had to have a "Landscaping" permit. Had nothing to do with the pool. They hit my neighbor as well when he put up a shed. The shed sat on blocks, so it wasn't a permanent structure. They still made him get a building permit. NY is all about the money.
@@82ndAbnVet and to think this nation fought a war to get away from gun control and taxes.
@@vicktorpatriot1430 Yup, turns out that Taxation WITH representation sucks just as much!
Near me they took an indoor mall and converted it to an outdoor mall. But since people don't want to eat outdoors in 15F temperature they put up these igloo structures that you actually have to reserve. There is no information as to how they plan on sterilizing the interior after each client or anything. So, alas, we are stuck with the inside which is outside but totally inside dilemma.
Thank you Louis , your content from NYC it keeps me up to speed on the bistate area . I left New Jersey when I was 18 , I haven’t been there since .
The problem is this: there are rules to keep you safe (like not smoking in a gasoline factory) and rules that are there to benefit someone with the disguise of safety. Like these restrictions.
One very disgusting example I know of was a business owner who was supposed to shut down his business but refused to do so, so he didn't lose his home. The government arrested him while hes was "open" and fined him for every day he was "open" but obviously in jail. That is a white collar criminal move right there.
It it any wonder nobody trusts the government when they do things like this?
@@ifiwantyoutofeel i wish you were wrong. he was the better evil in 2016, and people dont realize he still is now. the issue is who would replace him without destroying the country?
@@ifiwantyoutofeel Stupid
@@ifiwantyoutofeel trump has no jurisdiction over new york
Funky Fresh trump (love him or hate him) has control over the entire United States. He’s POTUS.
@@AdamRud47 thats not how things work
from the thumnail i thought you had a huge sweatstain on your chest lmao
i found the non political comment
same
I do really enjoy watching your content your opinions are always interesting
Last spring Inslee banned driving somewhere for a hike. I live in a city where you have to drive to be in nature. I drove 1.5 hours to snowshoe at Steven's pass and a ranger yelled at me and threatened to call the cops. I had no problem snowshoeing because I read actual science articles and the articles made it clear doing things outside was good, and the rangers statment about injured snowshoers taking up needed hospital space was nonsense there are not very many injured snowshowers and the hospitals were not that full . I also knew my unemployment was going to run out before the cirisis had passed and was trying to figure out what lower paying job I could do in lieu of my normal high paying job. This was the point where I started ignoring what the politiicans were asking me to do, I realized I would be better off if I ignored my leaders. California has some of the strictest rules in the nation yet it also has the highest number of cases. When I visted my family in California for the holidays I noticed that alot of Californian's were not following the rules. California leaders need to realize that if they make rules that are unjust/don't make scientific sense people will stop listening to what they say. Making bad rules is worse than making no rules because when you make bad rules people won't do the few good things you propose. The ban on holiday visits was another bad rule there are ways to safely see realatives and it really helps a persons mental health. I was very careful when I traveled the high risk grandparents stayed home and no one got COVID.
This is exactly true. Bad rules come from politicians trying to control things they just don't have control over. Politicians fearing people will go out and congregate in large numbers at hiking trails since they're shutdown and not working, so they try to regulate it. In my state early in the pandemic they shut down park bathrooms. Does this may people stay home? No, they go to the park and when they need to pee they invade some local business. So then local businesses shut their bathrooms, and people start shitting all over the park because they have no other choice. Instead of cleaning one bathroom once a month now the park service had to clean people's poo from all over the ground, definitely not helping with disease spreading, so finally they just opened park bathrooms again. This stuff works better when the public is informed, capable, and makes their own choices rather than being lied to, manipulated, or mandated to try to make them do things they don't understand.
Boxing day (like black Friday) shopping here in Australia was so shittly managed. We went to a dfo, basically a shopping center. Just as many people went this Christmas as last, but the shops all had limits to how many people could be in them so instead of everyone being spread out in the stores and the "halls" everyone was crammed in the hallways with like 12 people in each store. I really did not see the point of it.
Particularly seeing as life is mostly back to normal here. Daily cases are nearly none existent and the majority of people who do have it are in hotel quarantine after arriving from overseas.
Styropyro is a good place to start for good lessons in lazer science.
He's got crazy equipment.
@@TheTuberguy1000 presuming he hasn’t already.
I live in California and our small businesses are just as fucked.
You had me at California
I live in Florida and things are great.
Saying "believe the science" is a huge part of why people don't. Science is a method, not a belief. Once you make it a belief, it becomes a belief to be rejected.
Science is a way of thinking, logical critical thinking, to be able to see the different between straight idiocy and what's not so idiotic, not about what's "right" or "wrong", the rightfullness of something is relative to every person. And that's mostly why people don't follow with science, it's misunderstood, people force science as this "right" thing, even though in my opinion it is, others may not see it that way, and there's of course the people who choose to disagree on something no matter how right or wrong it is! Another point is, the higher ups want it to be that way, if people were to have that scientifical way of thinking, then they would be actually smart people, and said higher ups don't want a vaste majority of people to be "smart", that will make them less and less profit, as "smart" people are harder to fool, therefor harder to exploit for pure self benefit.
My thoughts exactly. You shouldn't have to "believe" in science because the foundation of good science is a theory that's backed up by a good argument. It's a logical process of trial and error, not magic (although I suppose it would seem like magic to the scientifically illiterate lol)
@@TheArnoldification absolutely! I can't even imagine trying to explain quantum physics for example to someone who's scientifically illiterate. If we still lived in the dark ages, we'd be burnt the second we speak, which I guess still is the case, but not literally
@Holosacred as long as they have animals inside, I'm in!
As a researcher this video was painful to watch. Louis has not a single clue about developing scientific theories and testing them.
I concur. I’ve been in the HVAC since industry for 22 years. I’ve contacted the Department of Buildings in regards to proper ventilation of restaurants for indoor dining. With plexiglass partitions, flexible ductwork it can be done. Square footage determines how many diners at a time. It doesn’t have to break the bank to do this. But, no one wants the headache. Politicians are like movie stars... they just want to look good. My wife recently had Covid, they send you home, with zero guidelines, just a good luck. Luckily I was a medic in the Army( and a civilian Paramedic). So, I didn’t get it, nor did my children. If you get really sick, then you may go to the hospital, maybe you won’t get a placebo. The times we live in my friend. It’s the 7th year, of the reign, of King DeBlas and Emperor Cuomo.
These insides outside are sick 🤮
when i first seen that image of those doors i thought why are they padlocked from the outside? would that not violate fire safety?
The Fire Marshall doesn’t give a fuck appartently
My girlfriend and I have been talking about this recently funnily enough and we really wish more problem solvers were politicians like engineers for example.
Wish Louis could share his experiences with Mike Bloomberg
@Christopher Grant weird I'm of the opposite opinion *shrug*. The engineers I've met are some of the best managers out there. Can't imagine a group of say 50 engineers solving societal problems would somehow be worse than having 50 politicians with no problem solving experience like we have now.
This is an important distinction Louis is making. There are countless examples of public orders and laws that have literally no evidence or logic behind them but inevitably we see the sheep scolding people for “violating” them. An example, airlines can operate with hundreds packed in airplanes, yet individuals are mandated, via threat of punishment via state force, to wear a mask outside with no one else around them. The same for numerous commercial businesses and evidence free occupancy restrictions.
if you're driving with no cars around you, you are still required to wear a seatbelt, always a chance someone can bump into you at some point and you can get into a collision. Just wear a fucking mask when you're indoors, it doesn't matter if nobody else is near you for that specific time. It's really not that fucking difficult, stop whining.
@@WhenItsHalfPastFive Okay dictator
@@WhenItsHalfPastFive big difference between a head on collision and 1 second of breathing the same air in passing
@@WhenItsHalfPastFive where did I say not to wear a mask inside? Please provide evidence via a quote of your assertion.
@@TechnoMinarchist this is precisely the type of person I’m talking about; not to mention the fact he/she strawmanned me about a claim I didn’t make.
A well argued point, and well presented. I would give this a dozen thumbs up if I could!
This guy is helping come down from my panic attack with his voice. Thank you. 😦
I live in space coast Florida. We have had no lockdown in any local stores. Big box stores "require masks" cause corporate made them put up signs but nobody enforces it here. Been like this for about 6 months now. Our hospitals are at normal capacity.
Congratulations, you're still in the first wave. The question is what will you do after your numbers go to shit... will you question yourself and reexamine your position? Or will you just forget about it and move on to some other metric you found on facebook that fits?
If I had to sum up customer service in four words it would be "not my department, sorry."
when people get together, they're going to SPEAK MOISTLY to each other
Rx7man that sounds awful and gross
@@strayedarticle7666 that's what our prime minister Trudeau said.. and while it's kinda true, it's a really weird way to say it
This is why I’m happy that I live in The Netherlands. There are cases of business owners over here that don’t get adequate compensation, but at least the government compensates most businesses. If you have to close down businesses because of the pandemic, you should also work out a plan to help those businesses and prevent them from going bankrupt.
Its frustrating because like you say, there MUST be a way to ventilate sufficiently, it may even be EASIER in these outbuildings rather than retro-fitting a building, but without advice and help in doing it you're dead right - it wont happen. The restaurants are going to do the minimum they can get away with, because they're already financially struggling due to how much less trade they will be doing due to no indoor dining.
There are no easy answers and the government don't want to lift a finger to help.
"There's usually a carrot that goes with the stick
here you have no carrot. Here you just have the stick ... and a bigger stick"
Yeah they gave the average American the short end of the stick then shoved the big end where the sun doesn’t shine
Florida has had lock downs. Businesses enforce their own now, for the most part. But, NYC has had more due to the fact that Florida is WAY more spread out than NYC.
We also don’t have the same type of public transportation infrastructure that NYC has. Our buses and railroad/metro rail train systems are a laughable attempt at solving the transportation problems in Miami.
In the Netherlands the big cities do not drive the epidemic. It's the small towns and villages where it all happens.
I live on the out skirts of Miami. People Don't really take the virus seriously. I am not complaining.
I have a friend in the Netherlands. I think they recently extended lockdowns. I don't know we haven't talked in a while
@@snapchatsnacks3154 Formally the lockdown should end on Jan 19 in the Netherlands. But everybody knows it will be extended. I personally believe right into March, because that's the only sensible thing to do. At the moment the epidemic has more or less stabilized, as it has in Belgium. But in Germany things are very bad. Their death toll for the last four days: 944, 1019, 1070, 1182. Compare these to the USA, which have a 4 times larger population and you will notice they are in the same league. Be careful with German case numbers though. Since Nov they are a factor 3 too low, nobody knows why. So today Jan 8 they counted some 31800 new cases. Multiply by 3 and you get 95400 cases. THAT is the realistic number. It's not that I am proud of the Dutch handling of the epidemic. We failed miserably. But truth be told: for the first time since Feb Germany is doing worse.
Anyway, I've been telling people from Sep onwards that Jan-Mar will be the tough months.
Weird that I don’t see this on my PC’s TH-cam channel being published but it is on my phone.
@@johncarlaw8633 I had clicked on “videos” and nothing was there. I just clicked on “home” and it showed up. Not sure why that is.
I've been wondering if they are prepping people to live outside.
I can't believe how many small minded, blinder wearing, lip to politician butt soldered people are in the comments. Louis, you hit the nail on the head when you said, "people on team red and team blue are ideologically possessed," among many other true quotes by you. I have sooooo much more to agree with, like agreeing with everything else you said because I too do not take sides with team red or blue which frees up my mind to use the simple knowledge available to everyone to confront and tackle simple and difficult issues. I also do not wear political glasses, you know, "horse blinders." This obviously expands my perception, thoughts, ideas etc. Because my lips are free from the political solder that binds, I can exercise my right to free speech. Thank You Louis for another informative video helping those who can't see the political wrecking ball coming straight towards them, to see it and to move out of the way to fight and live another day.
Interesting phenomenon when the virus doesn't exist inside Walmart, home Depot, Target, Lowes, Walgreens, CVS, airplanes (you get the idea) but it spreads and kills when you're inside a restaurant .....................................
You cannot pay me to walk inside a pharmacy right now. CVS, Walgreen's and Walmart are most definitely not on my shopping list right now. I have found that a place called Dollar General is a misnomer and brilliant hidden gem for acquiring many common staples. If you have one close by, definitely check it out! It is like a Walgreens without a pharmacy and with better pricing. It is not at all a "dollar" store.
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Difference is everyone in those retailers is supposed to be wearing a mask. In restaurants the patrons do not have to while dining. Makes a huge difference. Its not rocket science as to why communal dining is riskier without a mask than communal shopping with a mask on.
@@adamn7516 except that most masks are minimally effective. Eating in a restaurant with people that don't have the virus is not a risk.
Mask mandates have been around for 6 months now with 85-90 compliance
or maybe even higher, yet the numbers keep going up. Destroying small businesses while allowing big box stores to remain open, because masks make it all 'safe' is a pile of rubbish.
@@GeorgeVCohea-dw7ou My man talking about dollar general like they're rare. Lmao they're everywhere at least in the midwest any small town of people(under 1000) is guaranteed to have one.
@@joeshmoe7967 the masks are also pieces of fabric that anyone can make, they aren't tested and I doubt that people wash them enough to make them totally sanitary, a cashier at a gas station wearing one for 8 hours a day is likely to get sick from wearing one for prolonged periods of time
I REJECT YOUR REALITY, AND SUBSTITUTE MY OWN!
It's funny, but it's also a problem.
I wonder how the covid chart/graph correlates to the stock market graph they look pretty similar.
That is crazy
I wonder how the pre-covid stock market graph correlates to the post-covid stock market graph? Pretty similar. So what.
@@Milkmans_Son I wonder how Biden will improve on what Trump has done in the next 4yrs. The big man has big plans but he's a dumbass piece of shit probably fucked a few dozing kids on Epstien Island. But America is better off now. So what.
@@Meow_Ag47 Whatever you say, sweetheart.
I appreciate your efforts Louis :) best wishes from Toronto!!!
I agree with almost everything Louis said, apart from the bit about science and these outside inside kyosks. I already talked about this in a previous comment in the previous video, but I'll repeat again because I don't want people to miss this.
Politics and science should stay separated, or at the very least be seen as independent entities to be treated differently. It's extremely bad when government, mayors, governors, president and whatnot enact hard generalist policies that don't offer alternatives, solutions or some sort of relief, even when it is in response to something serious, like a pandemic.... particularly in countries that should have conditions to provide some solutions or at least some relief.
And I think a lot of what could've been done just didn't happen because of government lack of trust in science, general chaos and confusion regarding who to trust, which made people lose time and money in fruitless arguments when those could've been better spent on thinking about better strategies to handle the situation better.
Ok, now, about those outside inside kyosks and... well, shackles or cabins, and it being better or worse than dining inside.
Let me preface this with - studies are still ongoing, the science isn't 100% on most things about the pandemic, but I'm basing my comment on studies and articles that I've read... so it can't be considered anything more than my personal opinion really, but I'll still link to some studies that gives some base to what I'm saying.
The transparent tents and the shackles that Louis encountered in NY.
The alternative offered is an outside but inside solution. Because temperatures are freezing. Which then Louis said seems worse than simply being inside.
Here's where I disagree. What are the advantages of the tents and shackles?
First, isolation between tables. Because those are all individual table booths, what you avoid is costumers getting into any space shared among all costumers, without a mask. Even more if they never set foot inside the restaurant, paying the bill at the table and then going back home.
Second, if the restaurant has a policy of limiting the number of people in each table, or something like allowing only people from a same household inside a booth, then it's very effective. Because what you essencially have is people who are already in contact with each other inside a confined space. If the restaurant is not asking for this, then this point is moot... though you are still limiting the risk of infection only to a single table instead of going through multiple tables.
Third, there have been reported cases of transmission between different tables because of a central ventilation system, which is likely in most restaurants. Basically, what you have is air conditioning system having a strong enough airflow to carry aerosols with the virus from one table to another.
Fourth, with the dynamics of aerosols taken in consideration, if those booths are cleaned up in between costumers, they considerably lower the risk of transmitting the disease. The virus is present mostly on aerosols that don't remain airborne for too long, so as long as you take care of surfaces cleaning them up well, it won't just stay floating in the air. If neither the booths nor the tables are being cleaned off, worst case scenario, you gotta remember that the virus is still being spread by aerosols - which are heavy, and quickly drop to the floor. So transmission is still less likely than when you have lots of people packed inside the same space talking, eating, coughing and sneezing. The virus does seem to survive in cold surfaces for sometime depending on type of material, but studies are still inconclusive about that type of indirect transmission... what we know is that Covid-19 is mostly spreading person to person directly, in these superspreader events.
Fifth, also conditional. If restaurant staff ask costumers to only take the mask off inside the booth, and put it back on if they intend to leave it, this also helps limiting exposure.
Sixth, regarding other comments Louis made. Filters only help contain stuff either coming from outside or going outside, if the air conditioning system is central, which is the case for most restaurants. Best case scenario would be for each booth to have it's own isolated filtered system. Ventilation can be good, but only if it's exchanging air with the outside quickly... which often doesn't happen during winter. If you only have strong air circulation inside a confined space, it can actually be worse - because it's helping spread aerosols all around the room. This is among the reasons why cruise ship cases went to bad - they had a lot of internal air circulation, but it didn't exchange much of it with the outside.
And now, here's the kicker - if all those conditions are met, it might be safer to eat in those individual booths, outside but inside, than just outside. Because this is all about aerosol containment.
If only some of the conditions are met, it might still be safer than eating inside, but perhaps not outside outside. Because even if the virus is spread among people sitting on a single isolated table, it's still better than it spreading among strangers, which is what scientists are calling superspreading events. One person infected means it spreading out inside an entire household, and potentially inside an entire social circle, so if it's contained in a table, there is potential for it to stay only at that social circle and not go further than it was already going to go one way or another.
And with this, I should also note another misunderstood thing with the term outdoors - it's generally used because usually, outdoor tables are more spaced out, there are more chances for aerosols to spread away with outdoors airflow, and during daytime you have the sun hitting on... which might kill some of the virus.
That said, if you saw videos... I particularly have seen videos in Paris of all places... where people are eating outside, but the tables are almost shoulder to shoulder packed, restaurants filled to the brim, and waiters/waitresses almost not having space to attend tables... that could be potentially worse than eating inside with half capacity. Again, because this is about aerosol containment.
So you see how complicated this can get. And how important understanding the science behind it is.
Just remember what I already said. This isn't black and white. Most studies about how the virus spreads out are inconclusive, or just still not 100%. And there are lots of ifs and buts for measures to be effective. Just that, it's better to follow whatever is already out there in scientific investigation, than politics, popular knowledge, or what the uncle of a friend said on your favorite chat app or social media.
Links:
www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-coronavirus-spreads-through-the-air-what-we-know-so-far1/
www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_x
www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2271-3
jkms.org/DOIx.php?id=10.3346/jkms.2020.35.e415
wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMicm072576
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMicm1501197
Exactly Science like Gretta, bil gates and the director of the W H o. Who are not Scientist.. Science has become their religion.
Indoor/outdoor dining sounds like the whole mouse/rat argument from Scary Movie 3
It's going to take everybody moving out of New York for anything to change.
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@@xman8966 already have. Now you. Go on. Do it.
@@Dtr146 good riddance to bad rubbish
@@xman8966 x,D
@Black White tat ta asswipe
I think Louis just explained every problem a large bureaucracy has , applying one size fits all solutions to complex problems. At my work people were throwing away recycle and hazardous materials into the garbage so the business gets fines. The brilliant one size solution was to lock the garbage with padlocks so nobody can throw anything away. So now there are garbage bags filled with garbage around the locked trash containers, animals break open the trash bags and now the outside is a garbage dump , yep way better than being able to put the garbage into the garbage rollers.
"sticking the tip". 😂😂
Hasn't anyone heard of take out or delivery? You don't have to stay in the restaurant or outside inside the restaurant to get food there.
That happens when there's your truth instead of The truth. When this happens their truth becomes the truth and anything else is blasphemy.
Maybe their blinded by "SCIENCE".......
There seems to be a lot of it about. Along with blind or blinkered idiocy.
Great song btw. "She blinded me with Science". By Thomas Dolby. I was just listening it a few days ago.
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Great take Louis, well said.
"Science is how we prevent this from happening in the future" -
1) no one lives under a meritocracy where we are remotely guaranteed the policy next time won't be to ignore science.
2) I'm reminded of the saying "Every time we make it idiot proof someone goes and makes a better idiot!!"
idiocracy breeds better idiots
It's sad, discusting, and downright criminal how two people can destroy the personal wealth of so many people while enriching themselves.
If the so called doctors placed in charge by politicians practiced what they preach, I would believe them.
So far all I've seen is rules for thee, but not for me.
That's why declaring indoor dining bad is bullshit.
But indoor dining for the rule makers is ok. Not for us though.
You're the only person on TH-cam that I've got on upload notifications, keep up the great work!!
This is a great video Louis has done here. There are a few other ingredients involved in this mess besides science and the politics on state and municipal levels and Louis gets to it at about 15:00 into this video:
There are also matters of micro vs macro economics, the US federal government of a sovereign country that issues its own sovereign currency and the US Congress and Executive which have utterly failed to use the powers they have to get ALL of us through this global and national natural catastrophe that ameliorates widespread suffering and could relieve regular people, small businesses from making choices that range from ridiculous to absurd to navigate this fucked up situation. There’s a massive economic problem involved beyond local politics. The roots of this problem are at the federal level of government and the federal level of politics. The corporations and Wall Street (speaking colloquially) and thus the ultra-wealthy have been LARGELY been taken care of but the rest of us have been fucked and robbed blind by the system controlled by Congress and the President who in turn are owned by and serve the interests of those already described above-NOT US! “It’s a big club but you aren’t in it!” George Carlin
The thumbnail looks like scientist Louis in a lab coat 🤣
One set of laws for thee, and yet another for me.
Science and politics have both historically been closely tied together sadly.
Science and politics have never been in the same side. If it were they would have never been in favor of churches and religion lately.
@@kingzach74 For starters, a significant number of scientists are religious (ranging from 30% to 90% depending on the country), so that is neither here nor there.
Secondly, if you studied history you would know that science and politics is often closely tied together via various formats.
These formats being:
1. Political party & or government funding of research and development programs
2. Political leanings of the scientists
3. Ethical standards (or lack thereof) of the government the science takes place in
4. The influence of government dictating what can and cannot be researched
5. Military funded programs
6. The particular perspective of a widespread political movement overtaking a country having an influence on the science undertaken. *_Example:_* WW2 Germany's Eugenics programs and the Soviet Union's Lysenkoism and rejection/substitution of Natural Selection with Lamarckism for example
Scientists and politics have both historically been closely tied together sadly.
Now, instead of _science,_ politicians are wielding _The_ Science, which determines that anything is however politicians say it is regardless of reality.
Science is not about picking sides. It should be all unified where experts with differing views chime in and come up with the best solution based on current knowledge. The problem with these lockdowns and restrictions is that they all SOUND and FEEL good, but this does not equate to them working in the REAL WORLD.
I was in grad school in a research lab and when we did experiments, we would perform several replicate tests, possibly with some variations to test a hypothesis. If there was no expected result (or signal) observed, which my adviser said my wheels were spinning without traction, I would try a different course of action or even give up on that project to not waste time or resources. The problem with what we are doing now in real life with these lockdowns is we are performing the same experiment for the past 9+ months and just expecting that it will work if we just keep trying. We are literally spinning our wheels and going nowhere... At some point the experiment just has to be called a failure and not worth the negative consequences to the public.
My father works at a Diner here in Jersey and his boss is dead. We think it's COVID since he got tested the day before and wasn't feeling well. The dishwasher has stopped coming into work 3 weeks ago and he felt ill before he left. In door dining is just not a good idea.
His boss could have died from a number of causes (including cardiac arrest).
I had to listen to this more than once, good stuff.
👍👍 BTW do you cut your own hair?
Would it look this bad if I paid someone to do it is the proper question
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@@pawansapkota3970 I literally can't breathe now. 🤣
@@rossmanngroup Im guessing it's Erica's work.
lmao my father said to me anyone who cuts there own hair are normally crazy. there seems to be some truth to it after all Britney spears Miley Cyrus louis Rossman :D
If you believe in science, start with first principles. Are the tests accurate or just politics? Are more people dying in NY or leaving?
So I guess when people say that politicians are using the pandemic as a means of control and/or revenue generation, they are right. If these policies are not motivated by science, what else could be the motivation?
It's not some nefarious plot, this is what a failing state looks like. The people making money off of this are just taking advantage of the situation like they always do.
the great reset
Can only pray for the people who were evicted back in the summer of 2020 now that it is 28 degree's in Texas. The coldest winter in recent history just so happens to correlate with one of the largest government backed evictions in US history.
Disregarding the lack of food, water, or shelter for those evicted. It's still terrible because the common average person is so strapped for cash they likely don't have their heaters on in literally freezing weather.
Spot-on as always. Sound logic, but some folks are more concerned with how things appear, than the logic behind things. Crossing that barrier is the real trick.
"When the rockets go up, who cares where they come down! That's not my department."
- Chris Cuomo
Reality: American small business and middle class is completely "dead.
"Fact" Check Service: Everything is completely fine in America. Never mind the closed everything.
um scientists can be brought just like politicians
Often times scientist aren't actually bought, but the organizations they work for are being sponsored by a private company to do research on a specific subject. The companies will only continue their sponsorship, if the results align with their goals. I think that's the real problem.
Instead of bribe its called grants for research.
@@TheWabbit True :D
More often they approach science with the objective of proving personal doctrine rather than critically evaluating their work.
Where you gonna bring them?
When you started listing A, B, and C you forgot D: when they come to collect taxes from you knowing dam well they haven't allowed you to make the money to pay them.
I love science, I hate SCIENCE! and the people who mistake them for each other.