@@HaveYouTriedGuillotines Low wage jobs are not coerced or forced in any way. It's not exploitation and not slavery. This was an example of a breach of contract which is illegal and immoral but implying that the context here is that ALL low wage work is slavery is just an insane thing to say. A very common thing now a days since socialism has become popular.
not mentioning a word about this being standard in the industry and pointing it out has NOTHING to do with being a fanboy. It is simply very bad practice to not mention this in such a video.
The people who say stuff to defend apple and look down upon the workers have no concept of living in India in an expensive city like Bangalore on a Rs. 15,000 per month pay. Those workers are not illiterate homeless people on drugs. Huge majority of them are engineering graduates. Almost all the workers there desperately want to work because they need the money. They kept working so long without pay in the hope that they will get paid one day and they didn't quit because there are no other opportunities. Something like this doesn't happen this quickly as it is portrayed in the media. The company was probably getting hundreds of knocks on their doors everything single day about their pay. This destruction happened after they were not paid for so long and also didn't see the hope for even the money being recovered that they were promised and they had nothing to lose at the end. This thing was needed. Painting it with communism is the stupidest thing I've seen. People are not crazy that they will burn down their workplace all because Communists told them to. They were already being exploited and ripped off and no one was there to listen to them because no one cares, not the police, not the politicians, not the government.
Yes, with this situation in India here it wasn't just factory workers who were being poorly paid, engineers were also being paid less than 300$ a MONTH for their work. No excuse for that.
In India Engineering graduates is a mythical title for people who can read a digital circuit diagram. The Engineers who have been put into my sphere of influence could not identify a switching power supply with both BOM and circuit diagram in hand. They as opposed to a lot of India youth of the wrong cast can read switching power supply off the cover. In IT 8 out 10 can perhaps install an OS, 4 can install a Hot Swap Power Supply and 2 can reliably introduce a firewall rule. This is not talking about the people, they are great souls morals wise and hard working. Whatever the education system in India is doing its not preparing the population, even the leading edge, for the work the top cast is searching out for them.
the truth is that until property starts getting damaged, the management will continue to turn a blind eye. Same thing with social justice issues around the world. All peaceful methods are ignored consistently over time. So what do you do? Escalate. When it's about survival there's no other option. Global history has shown us this time and time again.
They are fascist. It's alive in America since 1983, when Democrats folded and began moving down the corporate path of corruption the Baby Boomers demanded. So odd how Boomers take no personal responsibility for the shit show they created not only in the States, but all over the globe.
All of these people arguing over the semantics of wage theft vs. slavery should also understand the term "monopoly". If you're in a third world country and this tech giant has a monopoly over factories and your only choice is to work for 6 dollars or let your family starve, you have no choice, merely the illusion of choice. If there are also no syndicates to represent you, then you don't even exist as a legal blip on Apple's radar. You cannot fault people who adapt or react the best they can to twisted circumstances, whether that's rioting or anything else, without pointing the finger at the creator of the circumstances.
There is some truth regarding monopolies but you are also missing a point. Without that 6 dollars "choice" there is only the choice to starve. The 6 dollar is better then no dollar at all. I don't blame them for the garbage/slave wages, as much as i do for cutting that salary and refusing to pay it on time. And one more point, the companies that are doing this are the same companies promoting "social justice" in the west. Which tells you all you need to know about them and the ideology itself.
@@someguy3717 tough shit. Go live in the forest and mountains if you dont want to use currency accepted in the world. We got away from the barter system a long time ago. As shitty as it sounds the company puts the payrate. You accept. You dont get to go complain at a job brcause you agreed to the shit wage. It just sucks that companies can use third world countries to lower over operating cost. Thats the reality of today
@CryptoIndex 101 Saying that businesses that fuck over the workers are better than no business at all is a false dilemma. There are other ways to organize work besides the corporate model that fucks over the average worker. Like co-operatives. My grocery store that I shop at, winco foods, Is a co-operative. There are many co-operatives that work in remote places that treat the workers well while having low prices and a living wage.
Also slaves get "free" bed and board. Sometimes I wish we would just drop this thin veil.. IMHO life would actually improve for many under mass explicit slavery.. buuht the masses don't deal too well with the honesty so this makes the "overlords" fearful and "secretive"
@@TheYahmez Assuming common slaver practices, that might actually be a net improvement on quality of life. They would not be at threat of losing the roof over their head at the end of every month and have food to eat. Two things a lot of people can't say they have right now. Takes a special kind of fucked up to look worse than being a real slave.
@@Rafael_Fuchs The funny part about human history, is that a Slave's life had better chances than the common denizen. Of course, eventually people stop being that poor and slaves then get too expensive
@@TheYahmez ..im sorry are we somehow forgetting that slaves were often beaten and whipped and the females were often raped, sure they got free food and housing, shitty food and shitty housing that often had more people in it than would be acceptable, and if you think somehow that someone having power over you wouldnt abuse that power there have been experiments in the past that objectively prove that wrong, so no slavery is not ideal, why the fuck do i even need to say this
@@disnothsi2218 Not under all regimes. We have legal documents detailing punishments for slave owners who mistreated their slaves. You are thinking about 15th and 16th century slavery. It has been way worse than that under some regimes (IE effectively a death sentence) and way better under others.
"A bureaucrat is the most despicable of men, though he is needed as vultures are needed, but one hardly admires vultures whom bureaucrats so strangely resemble. I have yet to meet a bureaucrat who was not petty, dull, almost witless, crafty or stupid, an oppressor or a thief, a holder of little authority in which he delights, as a boy delights in possessing a vicious dog. Who can trust such creatures?" Marcus Tullius Cicero
I wonder if the bureaucrat profession circle around this because maybe it's an easy position to maintain and only easier so - as long as you stop caring about doing what's right for people's needs. A last-resort profession for unwell, unhappy people. It reminds me of how school teachers are usually failed people too, (magnified a thousand for artists) their last-resort to keep food on a table is to just hope to teach other's to be more successful in their dreams. And I certainly feel like it's caused them to have resentment in their life, leading to the whole ordeal about marxist teachings and indoctrination discussion going around. Of course it transforms the position into one naturally attracting people that blames "the system" for their own shortcomings, and that they should deserve more, eat the rich, so on disfigured so on disfigured so on...
You cannot tell me that Apple did not know this was going to happen. But the shit hits the media, and all of a sudden "We are shocked, we have ceased working with this contractor".
And all "we have ceased working with this contractor" means is that the contractor has changed their name and Apple is still working with them, but since the name changed they can trick stupid people into thinking that Apple actually changed contractors.
Apple saying they don't know about this is highly irresponsible, there auditors out there just checking whether contractors in other countries are treating their staff humanely.
as if they care! people will still line up and buy $1200 iphone when they are crying they need stimulus check! :-)))))))))))))))) you can't stop that! and you are the one paying that bill!
Wistron took advantage of Indian gov desperation to move manufacturing to India. They know the gov would defend them no matter what they did to their workers
exactly......if you bribe the right people, you can violate as many environmental laws you can and exploit the workers as much as you can because the useless government wont give a shit about people
It’s not a stretch that corporations pay morons to produce propaganda that contradicts the exposure of said corporation’s manipulative and evil doings in the world in a comment section. You do know that’s a thing, right? Their common name shared by all is “troll”. Are you one of these morons, troll?
@@SUPERBURLBOYROY I know he's not, lol. I'm just poking a bit of fun, because trolls usually be pretty ugly lookin'. The Goonies is still a cool movie doe.
Thank you for covering this issue, Louis. I would like to point out a couple of things in this context. Kolar is just about 60-70 Km (40 miles) from my city, Bangalore, where you have a large number of big tech companies. The issue as I see, as an engineering graduate myself, is not that there is a lack of opportunities as you pointed out here, but that, we have an excess of so-called, qualified engineers. We have a ton of engineering colleges popping up like mushrooms in Bangalore (nearly 100 colleges), which in a way manufactures the workforce required for these companies. These students (including me I must add), graduate from college with minimal skill sets in their field (of course, there are good institutes here too), in desperate need of jobs. 100 - 150 thousand engineers graduate in this city alone every year, and reports say nearly more than 80% of them are not employable, due to lack of skill sets. There are professional training institutes, which sell the big dream of getting into top engineering colleges, in the name of entrance exam training (JEE, GATE,...). People from all disciplines of engineering, take up jobs that are in no way related to their stream of engineering, and sometimes, not even related to engineering. Many of them are not passionate (which hurts people like me, who took it up as we loved it), and take it up just because someone told them it gets them good jobs. By the time they complete their course, they realize the shortage of jobs, to cater so many graduates, and take up jobs with low pay and lots of work, and don't question the companies about the bad working conditions. I am from the mechanical engineering stream, and a majority of my friends who are working, are in the IT sector. Some who do work in the core sector, really don't have many opportunities to innovate. If this scenario doesn't change, India may end up becoming a hub of cheap manufacturing with little or no innovation (as there is little support for innovation compared to manufacturing), which is scary. The only good thing is the fact that one of the good sides of the present pandemic and economic slowdown, is that, people realized that engineering won't get them the best paying jobs, and the number of students in engineering colleges is decreasing rapidly. I just hope that we get only passionate engineers graduating in the future.
They end up coming to the United States on H-1B. They are lower cost workers for the huge companies. Then they apply for citizenship and get a very low cost loan to buy a business that American citizens are not qualified for. Those loans are only available to immigrants. Most Americans have no clue but it explains why so many Indians own convenience stores. And frankly the Indians that come here assimilate much better than refugees.
People should listen to this. I lost a job in the beginning of the year as a team manager for a small it service supplier somewhat because revenue tanked after I started out. Main reason was that nothis was made properly and customer kept calling to have stuff fixed, "We" Did something new and sent the customer an invoice for time spent. After I started we began looking at issues in a larger scale and fixed it right, and customers stopped calling. That being said, after I stopped, they went back to square one and customers got pissed again. And ever since the boss sacked me, customers have been fleeing for being treated badly. 🤔 Ah yes, he was also starting to introduce pay cuts. Honestly, treat your workers properly.
sadly that is how it will always be everywhere, even in government jobs. companies will keep offering this type of non existent customer support service that does not actually help you, but rather throws shit at you, forces you to waste your time and have to come back like 10 times and threaten legal action before you get the service that was promised. the principle is: lets see how bad they want this service, if they want it really fucking bad (after 10 emails) we might help, if not, we drag it on
@@tonnentonie2767 I haven't. Problem with something like that also sits as a mark on your resumé and potentiel employers will start and guess why you were let go. Someone told me they could wonder if I was merely incapable of my job, or if I were simply "difficult to work with". 😐 And this was prior to covid so that part doesn't help either.
@@youralien1996 exactly. The entirety of customer experience or like in this case with a supplier to Apple, ethics isn't actually a priority. In my case the boss couldn't comprehend that he needed to let me do my thing, and instead he should just focus on getting new customers, rather than milking the existing ones.
@@austntexan Yeah, we should have the government create the machines that is used to elect the government...wait....Are you sure you thought this through?
@@okaydetar821 The founding fathers didn't use machines for tallying votes. The penny pinching ways of the government serve business interests both as tax savings and as providing a subtle vehicle for contract based corruption for vendors who have their own incentives to not legitimize alternative parties.
@@austntexan Voting machines should print out your ballot upon completion. You can hack the software, but you cannot hack the paper ballot which the voter checks and places into the ballot box for recounts and physical record! th-cam.com/video/5fifKAXyrY8/w-d-xo.html
Hi Louis, I've been watching your channel off and on during the last few years. Throughout my life I've never personally owned an apple product that wasn't a gift. I've always had an off putting feeling for those that obsess over the latest iPhone, or this or that apple device. They've always seemed too user friendly, too easy, too expensive, all the while limiting the user in narrower and narrower ability. Not until finding your channel have I been able to justify the long held feeling I had, that Apple was evil. Thank you for caring enough about the people you serve (in the repair world) to do the research and share the company's actual evil so people like me can share it with those who will listen. I do understand that part of this sharing is self interest as Apple is actively trying to shrink/destroy the niche in which you, and those you employ, survive. TLDR: Louis, I appreciate you, and I learn from you, thanks.
Apple knew. They always know. I worked at one of the call centers and it was common knowledge that the computers would take a picture if you clocked out early so they would have a picture of you leaving as proof. THEY ALWAYS KNOW!
I mean, there is a difference. Its just that both situations are bad and are related enough that interchanging one term for another fits in a hyperbolic sense.
"Something antithetical to your worldview..." The literal term for it is "cognitive dissonance." when something goes against your world view so you dismiss even logical or concrete arguments and evidence. :-) Welcome to the political divisions in our country.
Its way too easy for our monkey brains to get us involved in factions and I feel it's human nature. The important thing is we remain self aware to our natural biases and not fall victim to extremism. Compromise is the bread and butter of politics and business. And life for that matter
It goes further than that. You get to watch people pick a side, pretend they're right, and accuse the other side of "cognitive dissonance". For me, the most relevant division is between those who want political control over others and those who want liberty.
@@spandanganguli6903 Haaa... I've been entertaining w0ke ideas for a while now... I was wondering why I had constant migraines, starting to think I somehow got the Wuhan Flu despite never seeing anybody ever... Thanks for the info. lol?
For those living outside India, with Rs500 a person can barely survive 3 days in India. Screw that even a rickshaw puller makes 3 times than that in a week!!
Usually I won't condone violence, I'm sorry but if I were in the situation some of those workers are in I'd probably be setting fires and smashing up factories too! No, sorry, scratch that!... I'd probably be setting fire to management!
@@maeton-gaming Death of the author though? Harmon is indeed an asshole with retarded political takes, but, at least for me, a work stands on its own merits once published.
@@maeton-gaming Holy shit. I was honestly expecting that you were heavly exaggerating but wow. There wasn't even a joke, he literally just pretend to rape a child and then ended the scene. I'm going to have to find some more stuff on this.
@@maeton-gaming I found the full clip here: www.google.com/amp/s/streamable.com/amp_player/umhyw It's still fucking wretched but the extra context makes it feel a *bit* less like an aimless "Hey look I'm fucking a baby". Supposedly it's meant to be some riff on Dexter. It's not a good one. FYI: I'm not trying to change your mind, we essentially agree. Just putting this up in case anyone else is curious.
@@bwood6337 Critique being that we are so blasé when it comes to murder and violence, it's a constant commentary on Rick & Morty, that when you go so far as to openly (social media) joke about child abuse (something that Family Guy, South Park and other adult oriented cartoon shows do) people explode as if it would normalize it or that the people joking about it actually supports it (something they don't do with all the other occurrences of violence and whatever other absurd behavior that features in their episodes and skits). So lets not be that bloody stupid now.
@Kronk Bonds "back in my day I worked for $7 an hour & liked it! What?! No I know what inflation is I'm just trying to sound more impressive than I really am."
Imagine being a leftist that pays $8000 for a technologically inferior apple computer that was made by slaves making basically $0 in a country that employs "brown" people, and yet pretending that Apple is "woke."
The first thought that comes to mind with this is: "How does the company that spies on million's of people's personal data not know what's going on in a place they're pumping billions of dollars into?"
@Cole S "What about all the other terrible companies?!?!!?" ... Okay, what about them? They're terrible too. We'll get to them. Why can't we start with Apple being terrible first? They're in the news over terrible things *right now*, so now is the time to talk about *them*. Nothing about this is hypocritical.
@Cole S You're aware that being such a defeatist is only spurring yourself and others into inaction, correct? We're all quite well aware that Apple is not the only company, and Louis specifically mentioned it in his video that he is aware that other companies are doing it too. In Louis' words, "Stop deflecting, and focus on the issue at hand." Seriously, Louis already gave an answer to everything you just said, and he doesn't even KNOW you. Think about how predictable that makes you look, and think about the way you think considering you're so predictable.
@Cole S Yes, that is what humans do. Because, I'm not sure if you noticed but a large percentage of people not only carry you unnecessary amount of pessimism, but also are too ignorant to realize that they are supporting a company to behave like this by throwing their money at them. So, I say to you, "LETS ALL COMPLAIN ABOUT IT SO THAT MORE PEOPLE KNOW TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING FUCKING DONE FOR ONCE!" Problem solved.
@Cole S did you even watch the video? He talks about idiots like you wich can only say "what about that" Or "what about this" he made other videos about samsung exploiting workers and he is not into clothes industry, so he will not cover Zara. Every time you buy something you are paying those companies, you can choose better companies and boicott this shit. You are just trying to divert attention, because you feel attached to the main object of criticism.
When Louis brings up the point of the "Huh... How'd they do it that cheap and fast?"-argument this reminds me of a story an aquaintance told me. His basic premise was that as an engineer involved in quality controll his company wanted to buy steel from China, they were presented with a certain cost, somehow then they (management etc.) managed to get the steel price down to half and wanted to "pocket" the rest in form of rewards for saving money. Well the engineer was visiting the steel plant and low and behold, there were two steel production lines, one was certified and would deliver the needed and requested quality, the other was not and wouldn't. Well the crux was that the one that wasn't was the only one capable of delivering the requested material size, while the certified one couldn't. He blew the whistle and management and higher ups were pissed, they kind of had mentally spent the boni already. If I remember correctly, it turned out that the Chinese salesmanager had given them all the paperwork but management was idiots, all managers, financial personell etc. but no engineers and decided to be cheap AF instead of asking the initial question, this was not the fault of the Chinese plant workers, etc. they were asked questions and told they could deliver to named specs, except the cheapskates asked for something entirely different because it was cheaper, never questioning why that was. It should be mentioned that the seller often does not exactly know what the buyer wants if the buyer hands out an incomplete or in that case flat out wrong request, notable exceptions would be when the seller knows exactly what you usually buy, or what you want to do with the material. I know that little story is not exactly the same thing but it shows that management did probably know and decided to ignore teh issue, as well that it is usually by being cheapskates, while engineers compared to that would be "notoriously frugal", as in going as "cheap as possible, while staying as close to tolerances as -possible- strictly needed", that's kind of in their job discription though.
Surprisingly this is common. Simpler and cheaper, but have no idea on the issues that result. I nhad one where Management was saying a roofing beam is too thick for the job, it was long, “make it half the thickness”. So they did. Come to lift it into place, it wouldn’t even support its own weight let alone the roof intended. Stupid is what stupid does. We had a saying in the engineering firm referring to management. Cream rises to the top, and Shit floats!
I think it's crazy that people still want to live in a reality from 20-40 years ago because it's more convenient. I mean, the ideology that Louis was talking about (business owners looking the other way) may have been tolerable back then, but we have a social responsibility to encourage and more importantly, PROTECT fair labor practices. While small businesses may not have the resources or influence to make sure their products are supplied with the fair and like minded vendors, large corporations do. In this age, we are more responsible to make sure we know, "how the sausage is made".
@@Sp33dstr knowing more means we should be looking more, agreed. The 20-40 years bit is interesting, as much of the developed world then was jobs for life and buying and owning your own home was far more realistic than today. Progress is good, as too we need to build that social responisbility as population growth removes the know thy neighbour approach that has kept the dishonest crap in check. Minimum wage here in Auckland is now 25 years total earnings to buy an average home. 1997, minimum wage would have earned the average home in 20 years. Sure wages have moved, but prices have moved much faster.
Points made in the conversation by Mr. Rossman are, 1. Wistron corp. had failed to pay the wages promised to its employees at the time of joining. 2. Wistron delayed the payment of already decreased salaries and OT payments to its employees by 6 months. 3. Employees had already approached the company management about the issue in advance. 4. If the company had not done all this with the salaries of its employees, "communists" wouldn't have got a chance to convert the employee protest into a full blown riot. 5. Apple corp. and similar giant companies willingly choose not to get involved in scrutinizing the working conditions maintained by its vendors and sub vendors at their factories and instead concentrate on growing their businesses. 6. Such an approach causes a negative impact on the band image of Apple or any other company in the long term even if such incidents don't cause immediate effects on the company share prizes or product sales. They seem valid.
Thanks. Point I find wrong though is calling it "slave wages". Engineer's salary there is 13-42K rupees. They were promised 20K. Not great, not terrible. Raise their wages - either companies would choose cheaper options... Or they'll stay, and pay, and doing so would screw local businesses by hiring all qualified staff by overpaying. P.S. Screwing people - bad, paying them what they've agreed to - good. Calling it "garbage wage" or "slave wage" is BS argument from emotions. That's same as with 15$/hour minimal wage - it would screw low qualified workers.
@@adrianalexandrov7730 The report says the engineers were being paid around 300 USD a month, that's extremely terrible even for India. We are talking full time here.
@@gamerdude1246 I've found this as a source of India's wages www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=100&loctype=1&job=261&jobtype=3 300USD is below average wage, but 150% higher than lower margin. I'm not saying they were offered great wage, but why would they take initial offer? Either they saw it as decent offer or they had no choice as there're no other jobs, right?
@Cascade Games You are so incredibly stupid that I am speechless. Yes they are engineers, they have engineering degrees and their job title is engineer. Just having a degree is enough to be certified as an engineer in most countries around the world, including the US. These aren't factory workers with no education, these are people who spent years learning engineering only to be paid a measly salary of $9 a day. And I'm talking about the lucky ones who got paid that salary and didn't have their wages withheld for 4 months.
@@adrianalexandrov7730 Did you read the India Times link in the description? Your numbers are way off. It sounds like you're debating an preconceived notion already in your mind instead the actual event.
I truly enjoyed your rhetoric, especially on the ease of not having plausible deniability past a certain degree of success. I indeed learned a thing or two, thank you. Here in Washington State, I've been working at a top tier residential retrofit hvac company, doing installs for 3 years. Recently, the sales manager was promoted to the Operations manager, and this person in their managerial sales role liked to minimize the issues we would bring forth, while asking us to focus on the bigger stuff. Were talking about basic things that are missed which become big things, effecting the scope and profitability, or having no protocol at all for bidding certain things. Soon, the install manager will be retiring and be replaced by the field supervisor, and we have a field supervisor who was a previous installer, that I've only seen in the field a handful of times, between a whopping 8 possible trucks they could be supervising. I've vocalized my being ready to take over as a lead of one of the trucks for a significant raise in pay and responsibility for nearly 2 years now, as I've watched them hire unqualified, unprofessional people to do it at a lower rate and quality of service. I've built my own garage door install and service business in the past, but I couldn't fully devote myself with the amount of (excuses) debt and responsibility I had at the time, and it was a good reminder reading through some of the sacrifices you made for the business and lifestyle you want and deserve. I've worked for a number of reputable and not so reputable companies and it hasn't been all bad where I'm at now, so I'm just keeping my cool so I can move onward and upward. I'm looking to get more into the knowledge economy, like your business is involved in.
That "e-waste in the park" thing pisses me off, becuase I bet some department of environmental protection employee could find that shit, think you tossed it there, and give you a huge fine. And I wouldn't blame them, they're doing their job, but I'd blame the disposal people
Slaves in the antebellum south received various forms of compensation for their work. This generally included cloth to make their own clothes, boots, and some molasses. They were also provided a bit of land to grow their own vegetables, and they were given some basic forms of food, like pigs feet, etc. The total cost for the owner was about 7 dollars a year, which at the time, was a lot more than 7 dollars a month is today.
The more I watch your channel, the more I appreciate you. You are a wholesome human being, which in turn must make you a great person to work for. I am quite certain this has a lot to do with your success. Have a merry Christmas.
Couple of updates on this... 1. Wistron has fired its VP (had to put blame on someone) 2. Employee number increased from 4k to 10k within 2 months 3. The attendance software was malfunctioning ( willingly or unwillingly up for our thoughts) 4. They increased working hours from 8hrs to 12 hrs without any notice or making the employees unaware 5. There was issue with basic payments so no doubt extra hours wasn't paid as well.
"Sir, the workers are revolting." **They sure are, tell me something I don't know.** "No, they're smashing the place up." **What? Impossible! We pay them hundreds of shiny coins.** "Actually we haven't paid them for six months."
A better example would be accounting. If your accountant gets your taxes down from 30% to 5% then maybe it’s better not to know his calculations because it can’t go any further and you can deny that you knew.
I get this with customers that are big companies. They change their terms on me on a whim and decide to not pay me for 6 months. Then they get angry when I don't deliver because they don't pay on time.
Apple: let's stop using the words master on git branches and devices that coordinate other devices because that might offend people. Also Apple: let's use semi-slaves to manufacture our products and close our eyes.
I have learned more about bussiness and openning a bussiness from your channel than the minor classes I took in college..... Thank you for posting your experience, a rising tide raises all ships.....
"Stop with the deflection." I accidentally watched, some time ago, a lecture that centered around a reality TV episode about an incident where the perpetrator had many traits proper to a psychopath. One of these traits was this "deflection" or "whataboutism" or as it is technically called, "expansive language", which also goes from any particular incident to "you always" and "you never".
Being an Indian and reading the western media coverage on this is so biased and hurtful and tries to spin a narrative that focuses mainly on the damages done. sure destroying property is never acceptable but sometimes the situation gets out of control and you feel so helpless that making a ruckus seems to be the only way to get heard. I agree with Louis 100% on whatever he said
But is the report correct regarding the wages? I work for an Indian company (not in India) and I receive daily mass mailers regarding referrals. A referral for an entry level position w. En (a two word city, somehing with "V", maybe?, I forgot) is 6000 Rs. Something does not compute.
For more context in a metropolitan city, a good meal in a good restaurant will set you back 2000 to 4000 INR for two to three people depending on the place
I work for a sub contractor of a big company in america. I've never missed a paycheck and my working conditions/hours are pretty good. if apple manufactured their components and products in america it would make abuses like this very difficult to get away with. the whole reason companies set up in companies like China and India is because they little if any labor laws and high levels of corruption. you should stop buying products from companies that manufacture in such countries and don't pay above the workers exceptionally well for someone in that part of the world.
I'm never buying another apple or samsung phone, but unfortunately there will be enough people who don't care that they won't be affected. Still, I think that Louis is doing important work - I wouldn't know about any of this if he didn't cover it because journalism hardly exists any more.
> if apple manufactured their components and products in america it would make abuses like this very difficult to get away with Their products would cost times more so it's not feasible.
You ameritards really cant fathom how much REAL profit Apple is making with each device they sell you, they can easily manufacture inside the USA and still be profitable without even changing the price
@@nick7072 no, they wouldn't cost more, instead apple's margins would be lower. It would only cost more if they felt they could get away with a price increase if they think Americans will pay more for the made in America stamp
I dont have a smart phone, my company has issued me one that thanks to some of our contracts, are a condition of employment. Its mostly so that our contract holders can force you to use your own equipment and money to do work for them. You might say its no different than requiring you use your own car to be an uber driver, and youd be right, except while "on duty" they behave as if your equipment belongs to them.
Apple doesnt really care about the Money they just know that they can minimize the ressource return when you have no money left to buy other shit too after buying an iphone. So remember, money is printed paper. Something you cant print are resources and the 70 years of lifetime a human has to live.
@@mjc0961 i thought they built the india factory due to the tarriffs on iphones set by the indian goverment? Iphones too expensive to buy in india? Apple tried to tap into the indian market so building phones there would stop this?. Maybe i heard all that wrong and its nothing to do with trump? Im also in the uk so what tarriffs are apple getting hit with from the uk goverment?
@GeorgeMonet Most corporations have security, but they outsource the rest to the government, which is happy to break up mobs because they have a financial incentive in seeing the taxes that come from the business.
People in the 70s and the 80s knew that the best defense against communism was a well compensated and happy worker. They have forgotten that lesson with the fall of the USSR.
Exactly. And that changed with Reagan and Thatcher's Chicago School style of economics. It's simple enough to fool the peasant and insidious enough to rob them and their children and their children's children blind.
@@tugger Well hasn't changed has it. The politicians we have had for 40 years have steadily ruined this country. With the help of the media and the celebrities polarizing both sides. They should all be held accountable for the damage they have caused to the people.
no...........I'm sorry but you're completely wrong. We in America have set out for a FREE Society. And in order to achieve that......workers have to be able to "Provide For Themselves"..... By becoming THE ONLY source of money for your employees, you cripple their ability to be "Free" from you. We want to "Take Care" of our people, not JUST pay them well. They aren't exclusive, nor are they the same.
That's not true OP, corporations know that really well. How they get around this is with rhetoric in advertising, essentially telling you what you need to be happy. Shifting the goalposts so people expect a lower standard makes them easier to keep content and in control
I'd been remotely aware of this channel for a few years, but last night I finally watched a bunch of his content. Quality. Doesn't throw out the nuance just because it is a touchy or politically hot subject. We need more people in online discourse who are willing to engage in the nuance of a topic, while not giving room to people engaging in bad faith.
13:01 i actually audibly went "aww, buddy no-" like, homie, I know this video is kind of old, and I'm very happy you found a good catch, but bro that kinda cracked my heart to hear a lil. You're one of the most inspiring TH-camrs I've ever found! You're vastly intelligent, you're clearly excellent at multitasking and management and you've had the balls to stand up and tell these big corporations to go fuck themselves before anyone else! You've seen through their bullshit time and time again and those respectable part is you stood up against it not just for your own sake, but for the sake of those around you. You don't have to be physically attractive to be attractive chief, you're already a fucking powerhouse of a person, and we all love you.
The problem with sending an agent to monitor is if it’s in China they wouldn’t let Apple in anyways. Legally the company (if more than 50 Chinese employees) also must have a CCP branch within the company as well. It’s chinas law. I actually learned this recently. That being said it just enforced the idea that they shouldn’t do business with those types of places if your not even allowed transparency in your own product
if major US businesses required a monitor to check on things like this as a condition to do business, the CCP would probably change its mind pretty quick
If it was a responsible company, they could ask to see the conditions, and if told no, said 'well this is what we heard. If you don't want to let us see conditions, we'll finish our current orders and then we're done. I would bet you the amount that's needed to pay the workers is less then one of their reveal events.
As someone who is also currently involved in a pay dispute it annoys me to see people detract from the issue just to throw accusations around and not actual address a single point of the issue.
With stuff and issues like this, I have a feeling you would get overwhelming support from all political parties because from what I see, this is just about being a good and decent person, not politics.
@Christopher Grant The only reason the prices go up is because the corporate level of the company still wants to make 150 times what there lowest payed employee makes instead of 100 times or 50 times like it was in the 50 and 60. Prices don't increase because of increased cost, they increase because of increased greed of people at the top.
@Christopher Grant I swear I've seen a name for this phenomenon somewhere but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. It's basically that there is a perception that lower prices indicate lower quality, and below a certain price for a given product, sales begin to fall because of this perception.
@Christopher Grant The difference is in the effort you made to check. If you're just accepting stuff you want to hear, then that will continue to snowball. It will take much more time and effort to recover from that than if you put in a little extra effort at the beginning. With extra effort, the conclusion is more true. Like you mentioned, there are psychological reasons to keep digging a hole after a sunk cost. It is important to me to know when it is useful to stop digging.
Aside from the incredibly salient and important points made in these videos, I'd just like to say I love this content and I'm glad you're making it, and particularly I'm glad that you're choosing to use your platform for good that is still relevant to why many follow you.
Someone should tell that to Ben Shapiro.... The biggest "I'm a victim" complex guy I've ever met. All he ever does is talk about how unfair it is to go through life as a conservative... Aw poor Benny Shapiro...
@@michaelcorcoran8768 No he doesnt. Im not a big fan but I have political interest and I watch many different political opinions and have never heard him say that but people like to twist peoples comments for their own gain.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 I have never heard him say that. I have heard him talk about the hypocrisy that is happening in the country and when people do attack him. He is intelligent enough to know how to squash their argument. Maybe you are just jealous that he is more intellegent than you. Since you assume he has the victim complex. Are you not truly looking into yourself?
@@blainecouch1766 For people like Mr. Corcoran, reality is whatever fits his preconceived notions, which, if he's like so many others, are themselves made up of shit equally stupid people have told him.
This is perfect reason we need right to repair and "support" small businesses. I've seen amazing things people do solo in youtube channels. In electronics. Using their precious time and often money also. With support I just mean remove lobbying advantage and monetary support and so called "networking" benefits of big companies, to give chance for these small businesses. Dont matter if those dont grow to apple level insane size or even midsize, but to keep competition and choice in this industry.
One hopes those new laws coming to the EU that make companies liable for violations down the line in suppliers and sub-contractors will have an effect. I have my doubts...
I think it will have a similar effect to the "cookie/privacy laws." Meaning: it will make everyone pissed, it will add layers of complication to simple things, without solving the underlying issues, it will make people more creative in finding loopholes... BUT, it will get everybody to talk about the problem and make them conscious that the problem exists. Which is the first step to possibly solving it.
I'm not a communist, or even a socialist, but I am way further left than Louis and still find him agreeable on many things. Right to repair obviously, but also the sustainable businesses, looking at all sides of an issue, not being a fanboy or hater of any company/group/individual but instead judging them based on their actions and goals.
@@rossmanngroup My man look into the Asch experiments and then report back to us that you aren't one. All it takes is a few of us hard asses standing up for whats right. The Asch experiments demonstrated that Human Beings will go for social cohesion and knowingly lie to your face to keep the peace unless there's at least one other person willing to call a spade a spade. I'm right there with you, we're still human, in no way shape or form should we be idealized or idolized, I just know the human psychology enough to say with full knowledge that yes, stands like this, your way of seeing things, is fucking heroic, is vital, is important. I don't say it one fucking bit to feed some egoism, I say it the way you spread your wisdom, it's something that needs to be said, whether you want to see it as a medal or some far flung opinion of you is entirely out of my hands.
@@rossmanngroup - you’re an asshole, not a piece of shit. You’re a businessman with a profit motive, sure, but you are also an advocate for clear thinking. You care about your employees, honesty and fairness, and that’s an example that some minds really need to see. You add something to this world, and you are at least a minor hero, asshole.
I'm proud of you for overtly putting the world SLAVE in the title Louis. This is the truth of the modern world, slavery was never abolished, it was simply outsourced.
These same people care so much about minorities and their livelihood within their locale but have zero qualms about human beings in other countries living far worse conditions due to their favourite company trying to cut prices(on manufacturing side).
Accusing Louis of being a hypocrite does not undermine his argument. Trying to dismiss the point Louis is making by accusing him of hypocrisy is fallacious in this context. It carries no weight. Arguments stand and fall on their own, regardless who espouses them and that person's character or alleged hypocrisy. Focusing on some minor technicality of calling the situation "wage theft" vs the more hyperbolic "slave wages" is a red-herring distraction and does not address the actual point being made. I wish the public schools would do a better job teaching argumentation and critical thinking that way we would have a higher standard for discourse and not be taken in by awful arguments people make that are not at all convincing.
So true, it's nothing but ad hominem, it holds no weight in any logical stance you attempt to take and it's also a gross deflection of the issue (classic whataboutism). It's weird how all of these Apple apologists are literally constructing their arguments on common logical fallacies.
am i the only person that finds his delivery totally hilarious...? logical on point arguments and views.. and hen the bonus the delivery... thats why i enjoy his videos..
I do agree with you points. When I was a procurement engineer (buyer) at Japanese automotive factories, we investigate many dimensions of subcontractor. Over a reasonable price, we investigate their production methodology, toolings, QC, environmental effect, financial, and the worker welfare. There are some cases that company cut the annual bonus that cause massive revolt which delay the final product shipment about half-year. The big company usually careless about this problem.
My current employer initially contracted me through Wistron. They tried to fuck both of us around on the deal. Neither of us will ever do business with Wistron again. Utterly unsurprised to hear this is how they run a factory.
@@rossmanngroup Can't get in to all the specifics, but the basic outline of the situation will do. Wistron claimed _dramatically_ different details of the written contract after both myself and the employer had agreed to a very different set of details verbally. Of course Wistron made the claims because it was financially beneficial to them while placing myself and the employer under conditions we hadn't originally agreed to. Upon myself and the employer having discussions and going back to the documentation we had signed, Wistron's agent was lying; while the deal was different from what we had both verbally agreed to, it was not as dramatic as their agent tried to claim. Employer went back to Wistron and Wistron used other deals they had with employer to force the conditions their agent had initially claimed on us. My direct boss and I were _pissed_ and immediately registered our story and complaints with management. Boss will no longer allow contractors to come in from Wistron and has advised his entire department to do the same, corporate has placed them on a shitlist for the future. Obvious I won't ever contract through them again.
I'm a programmer and a agent contacted me to do contract work for their client. They told me they would be paying me the salary... in other words I work for them, but my services are for THEIR client. Thanks but no thanks... that kind of situation leads to abuse of power from all sides. There's a reason why they set it up that way, and it's never in the workers interest.
@@BillClinton228 I've been cobtacted by numerous job cobsulting agencies as well, and a lot of them pan out the same, if there is actually any progress from their side, they'll push in order to have you contracted through their company, instead of you supplying your own 1-person company. It'll begin to sound really sketchy with them doing "registrations" and such for fees and them taking a percentage of your pay. That's the point where I usually either won't hear from them because I won't agree to that BS, or where I'll just jack-up my price... Mainly to have them discard me. People are assholes and they'll rob you for everything they can if they have the chance.
@@rossmanngroup during the 1800's people understood the difference between working for yourself and giving your time to others for less value in money - so they called it "wage slavery" - not getting value for your work. Just like slaves. Slaves got food - would you call that "pay" or compensation? If you only get paid "enough" to buy a little food - or even too little food - or making you have to choose between food, clothes or shelter - you are effectively a slave. A "wage slave". But a slave nonetheless - forced to work for others in order to survive. Forced to work for others by economics, by bank,s by corporations and companies that had the means to take control over the land, the resources, the state, the government, the legislation, and the economy of the nation as central banks have etc. When people could go into the forest and build a log cabin, till the soil, grow their food and leave the farm to their children so they had a better outset, people had a better idea of what economics were. Which is why they opposed central banking in the late 1800s. See the documentary "The Secret of Oz" for example on central banking taking the farms during the 1930s after the crash. Intersting and important to know your history.
Your "the lizardbrain wants to attack" got me, hilarious. Coincidentally I had a similar talk with the family yesterday. People nowadays find that anyone with a different view to be the enemy, and are in general unable to look at topic objectively.
Just remember those are the old boomers who lived with the Red scare. Not every American nowadays not give a shit about communism. Except for edgy leftist in university or “Antifa”.
It usally is the Communists pulling this shady stuff. It's a parasitic and highly exploitive political system designed to put everyone into the same level of misery and poverty other than a burocratic ruling elite.
it's funny how effective propaganda was in the usa, for that fear to have persisted, i see comments all over youtube that may as well have been from the 50s
Between slavery and being defrauded there is a common factor: exploitation. Slavery, more or less, is a historical categorization of peoples into those who are forced to serve and those who are to rule them. Class theory attempts to order and control people by way of designating a person as part of a class, which is barely a step removed from slavery itself. All well intended political ideology invariably fails in practice when it is based on classifying peoples by some type or status, or planning society through some mandatory establishment. Communism fairly gets criticism on this front, but in truth the problem is not isolated to any one form of government. They were promised a wage. They were cheated. They're not categorically slaves until they're confined/imprisoned and forced to work, and even then we would recognize that they actually had contracts to begin with, so they weren't slaves. Acknowledging that in no way diminishes the severity of the abuse they received, but if you think there's no meaningful difference then you're being intellectually lazy because you like the way it sounds to say it's slavery without appreciating its meaning. If you believe this is slavery, there is a higher bar for you reach: Either the government permitted the company to defraud them, or the government itself is actively participating in the fraud. To that end, we would recognize the problem to be systemic, but at that point we can't just point fingers at sleazy, morally bankrupt business owners and give the government a pass. We would now have to look at the government which not only permitted such a situation to exist, but is largely hypocritical by nature of forcing outcomes, employing extortion and exploitation of people to the benefit of political elites who maintain stature of corporatism. "The only reason the Communist instigator is able to go in there and start all of that trouble, and start all of that shit, is because they were doing something that was wrong". This isn't always the case, but your point is well taken, Louis. This wouldn't have boiled over if there weren't legitimate grievances. I just don't think you can say that communists are only interested in breaking up businesses that mistreat their employees. Communists, like all other statist busybodies, are interested in the predation of existing wealth, which can include exploiting people in business relationships where there is no desire for intervention and everyone is getting along and receiving what they contracted for.
Are you claiming that chattel slavery is the only type of slavery that exists? India has high levels of peonage / debt slavery. The 2016 Global Slavery Index ranks India as 4th highest worldwide with 19 million Indians enslaved. ("Practices of Bonded Labour in India: Forms of Exploitation and Human Rights Violations", The SAGE Handbook of Human Trafficking and Modern Day Slavery, pp. 126-138, doi.org/10.4135%2F9781526436146.n6 )
They have to go to a particular building to do the work. Confinement. They cant just leave because then they would starve as they have no alternative. They are forced to work because if they don't then they starve. Forced labour. Economic slavery is still slavery. Being able to choose your master doesnt make you any less of a slave. These people dont even have that minor privilege.
@@richardsanchez7791 >They have to go to a particular building to do the work. Confinement. If you get a job at McDonalds preparing meals, they expect you to be there making meals because not only is that where the equipment is located, but that is where the customers go because that's where they expect the food. Saying that an employer has a particular place for you to work is equivalent to being confined against your will is some kind of clown logic. >They cant just leave because then they would starve as they have no alternative. I can't just leave work whenever I like without consequences either. But that's not the issue here. The issue is that they did show up for work and were defrauded by not being paid based on their contract. I don't get the feeling you have a job because everything else about this is basic knowledge. >They are forced to work because if they don't then they starve. Forced labour. It's not forced labor, but tell me more about how nature is oppressing you and causing you to starve if you don't do something about it.
Dying for prophets == religion. Dying for profits == capitalism. Dying for dictators == authoritarianism. Lot's of people still like the first two, though they do seem to be getting less popular. It's nice to see at least the third one is getting much less popular. At least in America it's only a portion of the most die-hard Trumpets that would see him as king.
next time they vote " being a democratic nation " insist on a robust labor law. We enjoy such labour protection which is why when Louis sees this wage injustice he is so horrified and calls it "slavery". just weak labour laws son.
Hey Louis, it's so sad that you “have to” make so many videos about so many things that go wrong in this (tech) world, instead of making content about things that you are passionate about: fixing things and making customers happy. The world is sometimes so fvcked up and it seems that a lot of people don't give a damn sh1t about it. We consumers should let the companies know that we are not OK with what's wrong, by stopping buying their products until they consider changing direction ... I have to admit: wishful thinking :-( Anyway, thank you for your work, your honesty, and your courage to speak up the way you do. I hope and wish, that you will be rewarded with a change in a positive direction! I wish you all the best, a wonderful holiday season and hopefully a much better 2021. All the best and stay safe... Best regards from Switzerland.
At the Rossmenn network, Louis roasts Apple and it's assinine sub contractors(not the workers) no wonder apple is worth so much, it does not pay it's employees.
Calling developing world labor "slavery" is just ignorant.
Are you implying that Africans should work for no pay?
@kerosin fuchs At the very least, slaves were fed and housed, which isn't actually cheap.
Are you fucking ignorant, it literally says and I fucking quote "The workers allegedly did not get their pay" THAT IS LITERALLY SLAVERY
@@IIStasisII No, it's a breach of contract and no, ALL low wage work is not slavery like Louis stated.
@@HaveYouTriedGuillotines Low wage jobs are not coerced or forced in any way. It's not exploitation and not slavery.
This was an example of a breach of contract which is illegal and immoral but implying that the context here is that ALL low wage work is slavery is just an insane thing to say. A very common thing now a days since socialism has become popular.
"you don't care about the objective truth, you care about being a fanboy" My new favorite quote.
not mentioning a word about this being standard in the industry and pointing it out has NOTHING to do with being a fanboy. It is simply very bad practice to not mention this in such a video.
To be fair, objective truth is almost impossible to know when dealing with human interactions. But that takes away nothing from what said
Here is objective truth; Louis benefits greatly from slave labor, including the monetization of the videos about the subject.
That really hit harf
Half of the idiot kids are Nietzsche wannabees mate and do not believe in an Objective Truth.
The people who say stuff to defend apple and look down upon the workers have no concept of living in India in an expensive city like Bangalore on a Rs. 15,000 per month pay. Those workers are not illiterate homeless people on drugs. Huge majority of them are engineering graduates. Almost all the workers there desperately want to work because they need the money. They kept working so long without pay in the hope that they will get paid one day and they didn't quit because there are no other opportunities. Something like this doesn't happen this quickly as it is portrayed in the media. The company was probably getting hundreds of knocks on their doors everything single day about their pay. This destruction happened after they were not paid for so long and also didn't see the hope for even the money being recovered that they were promised and they had nothing to lose at the end. This thing was needed. Painting it with communism is the stupidest thing I've seen. People are not crazy that they will burn down their workplace all because Communists told them to. They were already being exploited and ripped off and no one was there to listen to them because no one cares, not the police, not the politicians, not the government.
Yes, with this situation in India here it wasn't just factory workers who were being poorly paid, engineers were also being paid less than 300$ a MONTH for their work. No excuse for that.
In India Engineering graduates is a mythical title for people who can read a digital circuit diagram. The Engineers who have been put into my sphere of influence could not identify a switching power supply with both BOM and circuit diagram in hand. They as opposed to a lot of India youth of the wrong cast can read switching power supply off the cover. In IT 8 out 10 can perhaps install an OS, 4 can install a Hot Swap Power Supply and 2 can reliably introduce a firewall rule. This is not talking about the people, they are great souls morals wise and hard working. Whatever the education system in India is doing its not preparing the population, even the leading edge, for the work the top cast is searching out for them.
the truth is that until property starts getting damaged, the management will continue to turn a blind eye. Same thing with social justice issues around the world. All peaceful methods are ignored consistently over time. So what do you do? Escalate. When it's about survival there's no other option. Global history has shown us this time and time again.
People in the UK smash up their own work place if they don't get paid. I say good on em. Fuckin rich cunts
They are fascist. It's alive in America since 1983, when Democrats folded and began moving down the corporate path of corruption the Baby Boomers demanded. So odd how Boomers take no personal responsibility for the shit show they created not only in the States, but all over the globe.
All of these people arguing over the semantics of wage theft vs. slavery should also understand the term "monopoly". If you're in a third world country and this tech giant has a monopoly over factories and your only choice is to work for 6 dollars or let your family starve, you have no choice, merely the illusion of choice. If there are also no syndicates to represent you, then you don't even exist as a legal blip on Apple's radar. You cannot fault people who adapt or react the best they can to twisted circumstances, whether that's rioting or anything else, without pointing the finger at the creator of the circumstances.
^^^^^
There is some truth regarding monopolies but you are also missing a point.
Without that 6 dollars "choice" there is only the choice to starve. The 6 dollar is better then no dollar at all.
I don't blame them for the garbage/slave wages, as much as i do for cutting that salary and refusing to pay it on time.
And one more point, the companies that are doing this are the same companies promoting "social justice" in the west. Which tells you all you need to know about them and the ideology itself.
@@someguy3717 tough shit. Go live in the forest and mountains if you dont want to use currency accepted in the world. We got away from the barter system a long time ago. As shitty as it sounds the company puts the payrate. You accept. You dont get to go complain at a job brcause you agreed to the shit wage. It just sucks that companies can use third world countries to lower over operating cost. Thats the reality of today
West is here to loot again, we better hide the slaves
@CryptoIndex 101 Saying that businesses that fuck over the workers are better than no business at all is a false dilemma. There are other ways to organize work besides the corporate model that fucks over the average worker. Like co-operatives. My grocery store that I shop at, winco foods, Is a co-operative. There are many co-operatives that work in remote places that treat the workers well while having low prices and a living wage.
"It's not slavery! It's wage theft!"
Translates: A slave at least would've known *beforehand* they ain't getting paid!
Also slaves get "free" bed and board.
Sometimes I wish we would just drop this thin veil..
IMHO life would actually improve for many under mass explicit slavery..
buuht the masses don't deal too well with the honesty so this makes the "overlords" fearful and "secretive"
@@TheYahmez Assuming common slaver practices, that might actually be a net improvement on quality of life. They would not be at threat of losing the roof over their head at the end of every month and have food to eat. Two things a lot of people can't say they have right now. Takes a special kind of fucked up to look worse than being a real slave.
@@Rafael_Fuchs
The funny part about human history, is that a Slave's life had better chances than the common denizen. Of course, eventually people stop being that poor and slaves then get too expensive
@@TheYahmez ..im sorry are we somehow forgetting that slaves were often beaten and whipped and the females were often raped, sure they got free food and housing, shitty food and shitty housing that often had more people in it than would be acceptable, and if you think somehow that someone having power over you wouldnt abuse that power there have been experiments in the past that objectively prove that wrong, so no slavery is not ideal, why the fuck do i even need to say this
@@disnothsi2218 Not under all regimes. We have legal documents detailing punishments for slave owners who mistreated their slaves. You are thinking about 15th and 16th century slavery. It has been way worse than that under some regimes (IE effectively a death sentence) and way better under others.
"A bureaucrat is the most despicable of men, though he is needed as vultures are needed, but one hardly admires vultures whom bureaucrats so strangely resemble. I have yet to meet a bureaucrat who was not petty, dull, almost witless, crafty or stupid, an oppressor or a thief, a holder of little authority in which he delights, as a boy delights in possessing a vicious dog. Who can trust such creatures?" Marcus Tullius Cicero
I wonder if the bureaucrat profession circle around this because maybe it's an easy position to maintain and only easier so - as long as you stop caring about doing what's right for people's needs.
A last-resort profession for unwell, unhappy people.
It reminds me of how school teachers are usually failed people too, (magnified a thousand for artists) their last-resort to keep food on a table is to just hope to teach other's to be more successful in their dreams. And I certainly feel like it's caused them to have resentment in their life, leading to the whole ordeal about marxist teachings and indoctrination discussion going around. Of course it transforms the position into one naturally attracting people that blames "the system" for their own shortcomings, and that they should deserve more, eat the rich, so on disfigured so on disfigured so on...
@@DxBALLxD Death to oligarchs, eat the rich. You come right after them.
You cannot tell me that Apple did not know this was going to happen. But the shit hits the media, and all of a sudden "We are shocked, we have ceased working with this contractor".
And all "we have ceased working with this contractor" means is that the contractor has changed their name and Apple is still working with them, but since the name changed they can trick stupid people into thinking that Apple actually changed contractors.
Haha, woke people still gonna buy that sweet gadget tho after waiting in line
Apple has done well turning stupidity into profits. Watch and learn.
Apple saying they don't know about this is highly irresponsible, there auditors out there just checking whether contractors in other countries are treating their staff humanely.
as if they care! people will still line up and buy $1200 iphone when they are crying they need stimulus check! :-)))))))))))))))) you can't stop that! and you are the one paying that bill!
Wistron took advantage of Indian gov desperation to move manufacturing to India. They know the gov would defend them no matter what they did to their workers
exactly......if you bribe the right people, you can violate as many environmental laws you can and exploit the workers as much as you can because the useless government wont give a shit about people
Fuck Modi.
THIS
Exactly
@@Seth9809 fuck you. How is this Modi’s fault?
It’s institutionalised corruption prevalent in Indian society
It’s beginning to become obvious that Apple employees are trolling your channel. Mystery solved.
@RobertPottsJr Which person is making money off of exposing slave owners, the trolls or Louis?
@@merc1f485 Ha, you nailed that one; If you think about it, the trolls are feeding Louis by watching his videos.
@@SUPERBURLBOYROY So says the one with the profile picture from The Goonies. lol
It’s not a stretch that corporations pay morons to produce propaganda that contradicts the exposure of said corporation’s manipulative and evil doings in the world in a comment section. You do know that’s a thing, right? Their common name shared by all is “troll”. Are you one of these morons, troll?
@@SUPERBURLBOYROY I know he's not, lol. I'm just poking a bit of fun, because trolls usually be pretty ugly lookin'. The Goonies is still a cool movie doe.
"That just sounds like slavery with extra steps!" - multiple people
DiD yOu CreAtE My UnIvERse?!
Thank you for covering this issue, Louis. I would like to point out a couple of things in this context. Kolar is just about 60-70 Km (40 miles) from my city, Bangalore, where you have a large number of big tech companies. The issue as I see, as an engineering graduate myself, is not that there is a lack of opportunities as you pointed out here, but that, we have an excess of so-called, qualified engineers. We have a ton of engineering colleges popping up like mushrooms in Bangalore (nearly 100 colleges), which in a way manufactures the workforce required for these companies. These students (including me I must add), graduate from college with minimal skill sets in their field (of course, there are good institutes here too), in desperate need of jobs. 100 - 150 thousand engineers graduate in this city alone every year, and reports say nearly more than 80% of them are not employable, due to lack of skill sets. There are professional training institutes, which sell the big dream of getting into top engineering colleges, in the name of entrance exam training (JEE, GATE,...). People from all disciplines of engineering, take up jobs that are in no way related to their stream of engineering, and sometimes, not even related to engineering. Many of them are not passionate (which hurts people like me, who took it up as we loved it), and take it up just because someone told them it gets them good jobs. By the time they complete their course, they realize the shortage of jobs, to cater so many graduates, and take up jobs with low pay and lots of work, and don't question the companies about the bad working conditions. I am from the mechanical engineering stream, and a majority of my friends who are working, are in the IT sector. Some who do work in the core sector, really don't have many opportunities to innovate. If this scenario doesn't change, India may end up becoming a hub of cheap manufacturing with little or no innovation (as there is little support for innovation compared to manufacturing), which is scary. The only good thing is the fact that one of the good sides of the present pandemic and economic slowdown, is that, people realized that engineering won't get them the best paying jobs, and the number of students in engineering colleges is decreasing rapidly. I just hope that we get only passionate engineers graduating in the future.
They end up coming to the United States on H-1B. They are lower cost workers for the huge companies. Then they apply for citizenship and get a very low cost loan to buy a business that American citizens are not qualified for. Those loans are only available to immigrants. Most Americans have no clue but it explains why so many Indians own convenience stores. And frankly the Indians that come here assimilate much better than refugees.
People should listen to this. I lost a job in the beginning of the year as a team manager for a small it service supplier somewhat because revenue tanked after I started out. Main reason was that nothis was made properly and customer kept calling to have stuff fixed, "We" Did something new and sent the customer an invoice for time spent. After I started we began looking at issues in a larger scale and fixed it right, and customers stopped calling. That being said, after I stopped, they went back to square one and customers got pissed again. And ever since the boss sacked me, customers have been fleeing for being treated badly. 🤔 Ah yes, he was also starting to introduce pay cuts. Honestly, treat your workers properly.
Hope you found a new job!
sadly that is how it will always be everywhere, even in government jobs. companies will keep offering this type of non existent customer support service that does not actually help you, but rather throws shit at you, forces you to waste your time and have to come back like 10 times and threaten legal action before you get the service that was promised. the principle is: lets see how bad they want this service, if they want it really fucking bad (after 10 emails) we might help, if not, we drag it on
@@tonnentonie2767 I haven't. Problem with something like that also sits as a mark on your resumé and potentiel employers will start and guess why you were let go. Someone told me they could wonder if I was merely incapable of my job, or if I were simply "difficult to work with". 😐 And this was prior to covid so that part doesn't help either.
@@youralien1996 exactly. The entirety of customer experience or like in this case with a supplier to Apple, ethics isn't actually a priority. In my case the boss couldn't comprehend that he needed to let me do my thing, and instead he should just focus on getting new customers, rather than milking the existing ones.
i just want to work somewhere that doesn't treat employees like shit. doesn't even have to be good treatment just don't treat me like shit
Subcontracting is becoming the norm. Distance yourself from your own product so you can blame someone else.
Thank God we don't do that with essential services here in The States. . . like vote tallying machines.
@@austntexan Yeah, we should have the government create the machines that is used to elect the government...wait....Are you sure you thought this through?
@@austntexan Ambulances.
@@okaydetar821 The founding fathers didn't use machines for tallying votes. The penny pinching ways of the government serve business interests both as tax savings and as providing a subtle vehicle for contract based corruption for vendors who have their own incentives to not legitimize alternative parties.
@@austntexan
Voting machines should print out your ballot upon completion. You can hack the software, but you cannot hack the paper ballot which the voter checks and places into the ballot box for recounts and physical record!
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Don't tell me this company didn't know they weren't paying their employees. It came up in the quarterlies.🙄
@Christa Simon Then the company is taking a big risk unless they can switch suppliers quickly.
I call for the TH-cam algorithm to recommend this video to many
Doubtful. They are all in bed together.
@@jackofalltrades3378 not trying will prove nothing
Hi Louis, I've been watching your channel off and on during the last few years. Throughout my life I've never personally owned an apple product that wasn't a gift. I've always had an off putting feeling for those that obsess over the latest iPhone, or this or that apple device. They've always seemed too user friendly, too easy, too expensive, all the while limiting the user in narrower and narrower ability. Not until finding your channel have I been able to justify the long held feeling I had, that Apple was evil. Thank you for caring enough about the people you serve (in the repair world) to do the research and share the company's actual evil so people like me can share it with those who will listen. I do understand that part of this sharing is self interest as Apple is actively trying to shrink/destroy the niche in which you, and those you employ, survive.
TLDR: Louis, I appreciate you, and I learn from you, thanks.
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Apple knew. They always know. I worked at one of the call centers and it was common knowledge that the computers would take a picture if you clocked out early so they would have a picture of you leaving as proof. THEY ALWAYS KNOW!
That’s fucked up. Other companies do things similar like tracking your progress. (Amazon, cashier work, etc.)
Communist work slave and capitalist wage slave are the same thing. You're just a cog being used to enrich the life of the people at the top.
@@GeorgeMonet I feel like most people know this fact, but there’s nothing we can do about it sadly.
You should have asked the cute blonde to meet you in the park instead... for some 'environmental activism'.
This man will get laid in college
@@annelisemeier283 And doctors will be happy to provide penicillin shots to cure the *ahem* that he doesn't want to talk about.
Louis is so good at cutting through the BS.
He is a New Yorker
The economic content needs to improve though. Calling all low wage work slavery isn't truthful, helpful or productive.
Curious minds need to know, what happened with the cute blonde?
Yes
'All progress depends on the unreasonable man'
Thank you for being unreasonable.
Here's a phrase for ya:
"It's a distinction without a difference".
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Yes
Thats gold
May i add this quote to my personal golden quotes fond?))
I'm sorry but... I have to steal this because I have so many uses for it.
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I mean, there is a difference. Its just that both situations are bad and are related enough that interchanging one term for another fits in a hyperbolic sense.
"The worker is deserving of his wages."
"Something antithetical to your worldview..."
The literal term for it is "cognitive dissonance." when something goes against your world view so you dismiss even logical or concrete arguments and evidence. :-) Welcome to the political divisions in our country.
Its way too easy for our monkey brains to get us involved in factions and I feel it's human nature. The important thing is we remain self aware to our natural biases and not fall victim to extremism. Compromise is the bread and butter of politics and business. And life for that matter
It goes further than that. You get to watch people pick a side, pretend they're right, and accuse the other side of "cognitive dissonance". For me, the most relevant division is between those who want political control over others and those who want liberty.
@@spandanganguli6903 Haaa... I've been entertaining w0ke ideas for a while now... I was wondering why I had constant migraines, starting to think I somehow got the Wuhan Flu despite never seeing anybody ever... Thanks for the info.
lol?
ID LIKE TO GET OFF THIS CRAZY TRAIN LOL. ITS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE..
For those living outside India, with Rs500 a person can barely survive 3 days in India. Screw that even a rickshaw puller makes 3 times than that in a week!!
True. Economy is WHACK in India.
I mean an literal brand new motorcycle is less expensive than an apple phone.
@@gracefulcubix4730 you can blame apple for that
@Dharmic Science there are still cycle rickshaws running on roads/gali.
@Dharmic Science We do here in Northern-India
Usually I won't condone violence, I'm sorry but if I were in the situation some of those workers are in I'd probably be setting fires and smashing up factories too! No, sorry, scratch that!... I'd probably be setting fire to management!
I'm never for distruction of property private or public
But unionizing and guillotines are a great antidote for shit living conditions
@@baraghy3627 agreed. Violence solves nothing, but when treat your workers like scum you will get scummy actions in return
"slavery with extra steps"
Rick&Morty
@@maeton-gaming Death of the author though? Harmon is indeed an asshole with retarded political takes, but, at least for me, a work stands on its own merits once published.
@@maeton-gaming Which is this, I want to watch it
@@maeton-gaming Holy shit. I was honestly expecting that you were heavly exaggerating but wow. There wasn't even a joke, he literally just pretend to rape a child and then ended the scene.
I'm going to have to find some more stuff on this.
@@maeton-gaming I found the full clip here: www.google.com/amp/s/streamable.com/amp_player/umhyw
It's still fucking wretched but the extra context makes it feel a *bit* less like an aimless "Hey look I'm fucking a baby". Supposedly it's meant to be some riff on Dexter. It's not a good one.
FYI: I'm not trying to change your mind, we essentially agree. Just putting this up in case anyone else is curious.
@@bwood6337 Critique being that we are so blasé when it comes to murder and violence, it's a constant commentary on Rick & Morty, that when you go so far as to openly (social media) joke about child abuse (something that Family Guy, South Park and other adult oriented cartoon shows do) people explode as if it would normalize it or that the people joking about it actually supports it (something they don't do with all the other occurrences of violence and whatever other absurd behavior that features in their episodes and skits).
So lets not be that bloody stupid now.
Imagine being called a communist for demanding you get paid for the work you did 😂
@Kronk Bonds "back in my day I worked for $7 an hour & liked it! What?! No I know what inflation is I'm just trying to sound more impressive than I really am."
Imagine being a leftist that pays $8000 for a technologically inferior apple computer that was made by slaves making basically $0 in a country that employs "brown" people, and yet pretending that Apple is "woke."
@@johnhonker437 never met a "leftist" like that lol
Communism is us getting paid for the work you did
@0 0 Only half of what shapiro says makes sense. The rest is just a good mix of ultra conservatism mixed with a hint of hypocricy
17:43 Louis' tone change when he compared going out with the blonde with having to go to the park to pick up e-waste had me dead
The first thought that comes to mind with this is: "How does the company that spies on million's of people's personal data not know what's going on in a place they're pumping billions of dollars into?"
I won't be buying Apple products.
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Do you ever question if it is worth arguing with these kinds of people? I wonder what % are even capable of understanding what you are saying.
@Cole S "What about all the other terrible companies?!?!!?" ... Okay, what about them? They're terrible too. We'll get to them. Why can't we start with Apple being terrible first? They're in the news over terrible things *right now*, so now is the time to talk about *them*. Nothing about this is hypocritical.
@Cole S You're aware that being such a defeatist is only spurring yourself and others into inaction, correct? We're all quite well aware that Apple is not the only company, and Louis specifically mentioned it in his video that he is aware that other companies are doing it too. In Louis' words, "Stop deflecting, and focus on the issue at hand." Seriously, Louis already gave an answer to everything you just said, and he doesn't even KNOW you. Think about how predictable that makes you look, and think about the way you think considering you're so predictable.
@Cole S Yes, that is what humans do. Because, I'm not sure if you noticed but a large percentage of people not only carry you unnecessary amount of pessimism, but also are too ignorant to realize that they are supporting a company to behave like this by throwing their money at them.
So, I say to you, "LETS ALL COMPLAIN ABOUT IT SO THAT MORE PEOPLE KNOW TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING FUCKING DONE FOR ONCE!"
Problem solved.
@Cole S did you even hear at 21:45
@Cole S did you even watch the video? He talks about idiots like you wich can only say "what about that" Or "what about this" he made other videos about samsung exploiting workers and he is not into clothes industry, so he will not cover Zara. Every time you buy something you are paying those companies, you can choose better companies and boicott this shit. You are just trying to divert attention, because you feel attached to the main object of criticism.
When Louis brings up the point of the "Huh... How'd they do it that cheap and fast?"-argument this reminds me of a story an aquaintance told me. His basic premise was that as an engineer involved in quality controll his company wanted to buy steel from China, they were presented with a certain cost, somehow then they (management etc.) managed to get the steel price down to half and wanted to "pocket" the rest in form of rewards for saving money. Well the engineer was visiting the steel plant and low and behold, there were two steel production lines, one was certified and would deliver the needed and requested quality, the other was not and wouldn't. Well the crux was that the one that wasn't was the only one capable of delivering the requested material size, while the certified one couldn't. He blew the whistle and management and higher ups were pissed, they kind of had mentally spent the boni already. If I remember correctly, it turned out that the Chinese salesmanager had given them all the paperwork but management was idiots, all managers, financial personell etc. but no engineers and decided to be cheap AF instead of asking the initial question, this was not the fault of the Chinese plant workers, etc. they were asked questions and told they could deliver to named specs, except the cheapskates asked for something entirely different because it was cheaper, never questioning why that was. It should be mentioned that the seller often does not exactly know what the buyer wants if the buyer hands out an incomplete or in that case flat out wrong request, notable exceptions would be when the seller knows exactly what you usually buy, or what you want to do with the material.
I know that little story is not exactly the same thing but it shows that management did probably know and decided to ignore teh issue, as well that it is usually by being cheapskates, while engineers compared to that would be "notoriously frugal", as in going as "cheap as possible, while staying as close to tolerances as -possible- strictly needed", that's kind of in their job discription though.
Surprisingly this is common. Simpler and cheaper, but have no idea on the issues that result. I nhad one where Management was saying a roofing beam is too thick for the job, it was long, “make it half the thickness”. So they did. Come to lift it into place, it wouldn’t even support its own weight let alone the roof intended. Stupid is what stupid does. We had a saying in the engineering firm referring to management. Cream rises to the top, and Shit floats!
I think it's crazy that people still want to live in a reality from 20-40 years ago because it's more convenient. I mean, the ideology that Louis was talking about (business owners looking the other way) may have been tolerable back then, but we have a social responsibility to encourage and more importantly, PROTECT fair labor practices. While small businesses may not have the resources or influence to make sure their products are supplied with the fair and like minded vendors, large corporations do. In this age, we are more responsible to make sure we know, "how the sausage is made".
@@Sp33dstr knowing more means we should be looking more, agreed. The 20-40 years bit is interesting, as much of the developed world then was jobs for life and buying and owning your own home was far more realistic than today. Progress is good, as too we need to build that social responisbility as population growth removes the know thy neighbour approach that has kept the dishonest crap in check. Minimum wage here in Auckland is now 25 years total earnings to buy an average home. 1997, minimum wage would have earned the average home in 20 years. Sure wages have moved, but prices have moved much faster.
Points made in the conversation by Mr. Rossman are,
1. Wistron corp. had failed to pay the wages promised to its employees at the time of joining.
2. Wistron delayed the payment of already decreased salaries and OT payments to its employees by 6 months.
3. Employees had already approached the company management about the issue in advance.
4. If the company had not done all this with the salaries of its employees, "communists" wouldn't have got a chance to convert the employee protest into a full blown riot.
5. Apple corp. and similar giant companies willingly choose not to get involved in scrutinizing the working conditions maintained by its vendors and sub vendors at their factories and instead concentrate on growing their businesses.
6. Such an approach causes a negative impact on the band image of Apple or any other company in the long term even if such incidents don't cause immediate effects on the company share prizes or product sales.
They seem valid.
Thanks.
Point I find wrong though is calling it "slave wages".
Engineer's salary there is 13-42K rupees. They were promised 20K.
Not great, not terrible.
Raise their wages - either companies would choose cheaper options...
Or they'll stay, and pay, and doing so would screw local businesses by hiring all qualified staff by overpaying.
P.S. Screwing people - bad, paying them what they've agreed to - good.
Calling it "garbage wage" or "slave wage" is BS argument from emotions.
That's same as with 15$/hour minimal wage - it would screw low qualified workers.
@@adrianalexandrov7730 The report says the engineers were being paid around 300 USD a month, that's extremely terrible even for India. We are talking full time here.
@@gamerdude1246 I've found this as a source of India's wages
www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=100&loctype=1&job=261&jobtype=3
300USD is below average wage, but 150% higher than lower margin.
I'm not saying they were offered great wage, but why would they take initial offer?
Either they saw it as decent offer or they had no choice as there're no other jobs, right?
@Cascade Games You are so incredibly stupid that I am speechless. Yes they are engineers, they have engineering degrees and their job title is engineer. Just having a degree is enough to be certified as an engineer in most countries around the world, including the US. These aren't factory workers with no education, these are people who spent years learning engineering only to be paid a measly salary of $9 a day. And I'm talking about the lucky ones who got paid that salary and didn't have their wages withheld for 4 months.
@@adrianalexandrov7730 Did you read the India Times link in the description? Your numbers are way off. It sounds like you're debating an preconceived notion already in your mind instead the actual event.
I truly enjoyed your rhetoric, especially on the ease of not having plausible deniability past a certain degree of success. I indeed learned a thing or two, thank you. Here in Washington State, I've been working at a top tier residential retrofit hvac company, doing installs for 3 years. Recently, the sales manager was promoted to the Operations manager, and this person in their managerial sales role liked to minimize the issues we would bring forth, while asking us to focus on the bigger stuff. Were talking about basic things that are missed which become big things, effecting the scope and profitability, or having no protocol at all for bidding certain things. Soon, the install manager will be retiring and be replaced by the field supervisor, and we have a field supervisor who was a previous installer, that I've only seen in the field a handful of times, between a whopping 8 possible trucks they could be supervising. I've vocalized my being ready to take over as a lead of one of the trucks for a significant raise in pay and responsibility for nearly 2 years now, as I've watched them hire unqualified, unprofessional people to do it at a lower rate and quality of service. I've built my own garage door install and service business in the past, but I couldn't fully devote myself with the amount of (excuses) debt and responsibility I had at the time, and it was a good reminder reading through some of the sacrifices you made for the business and lifestyle you want and deserve. I've worked for a number of reputable and not so reputable companies and it hasn't been all bad where I'm at now, so I'm just keeping my cool so I can move onward and upward. I'm looking to get more into the knowledge economy, like your business is involved in.
Why are people defending these companies ..... Bloody hell are these people so beholden to these companies???
I don't care either about Apple or the workers who make my iPhone. Why do you care?
That "e-waste in the park" thing pisses me off, becuase I bet some department of environmental protection employee could find that shit, think you tossed it there, and give you a huge fine. And I wouldn't blame them, they're doing their job, but I'd blame the disposal people
I was gonna say this too, it's a good thing he decided to go for a walk because that most definitely would have happened otherwise.
That's probably partially why Louis picked it all up himself.
Slaves in the antebellum south received various forms of compensation for their work. This generally included cloth to make their own clothes, boots, and some molasses. They were also provided a bit of land to grow their own vegetables, and they were given some basic forms of food, like pigs feet, etc. The total cost for the owner was about 7 dollars a year, which at the time, was a lot more than 7 dollars a month is today.
Preach, bro! 👍🏽
It's not an easy thing to meet your maker
The more I watch your channel, the more I appreciate you. You are a wholesome human being, which in turn must make you a great person to work for. I am quite certain this has a lot to do with your success. Have a merry Christmas.
Couple of updates on this...
1. Wistron has fired its VP (had to put blame on someone)
2. Employee number increased from 4k to 10k within 2 months
3. The attendance software was malfunctioning ( willingly or unwillingly up for our thoughts)
4. They increased working hours from 8hrs to 12 hrs without any notice or making the employees unaware
5. There was issue with basic payments so no doubt extra hours wasn't paid as well.
How can you be a fan boy for a brand? It must be the most stupid inane saddest position to hold arguing a companies corner.
Apple, the company that stopped using the technical terms 'master' and 'slave'.....now we know the real reason.
god bless you brother for exposing this modern day slavery
"Sir, the workers are revolting."
**They sure are, tell me something I don't know.**
"No, they're smashing the place up."
**What? Impossible! We pay them hundreds of shiny coins.**
"Actually we haven't paid them for six months."
THANK YOU for reporting the E-waste scam company. You are the best, Louis!
Hey, if I had a department that was doing so much better than the rest, I'd look into it just to see if I could implement it elsewhere.
A better example would be accounting. If your accountant gets your taxes down from 30% to 5% then maybe it’s better not to know his calculations because it can’t go any further and you can deny that you knew.
rafi10539 I wish you were wrong but chances are you are not
I get this with customers that are big companies. They change their terms on me on a whim and decide to not pay me for 6 months. Then they get angry when I don't deliver because they don't pay on time.
How nice to be "them"
The bigger/richer the client, the less likely they are to pay on time. Or at all.
@@rivkahlevi6117 Probably explains why they're bigger and richer.
@@dev0random tru dat
Apple: let's stop using the words master on git branches and devices that coordinate other devices because that might offend people.
Also Apple: let's use semi-slaves to manufacture our products and close our eyes.
“But the profits, we r a business so we literally caaaaan’tt sacrifice profits waaaahh!!”
Also Apple:
Apple: It's not slavery so long as we don't call it slavery.
Also Apple: We are the only master on planet Earth, they don't deserve to use the word
pretty much
I have learned more about bussiness and openning a bussiness from your channel than the minor classes I took in college..... Thank you for posting your experience, a rising tide raises all ships.....
"Stop with the deflection." I accidentally watched, some time ago, a lecture that centered around a reality TV episode about an incident where the perpetrator had many traits proper to a psychopath. One of these traits was this "deflection" or "whataboutism" or as it is technically called, "expansive language", which also goes from any particular incident to "you always" and "you never".
Clever sophisticated technicalities used to obfuscate the monsterous problems that existed in this situation
Being an Indian and reading the western media coverage on this is so biased and hurtful and tries to spin a narrative that focuses mainly on the damages done. sure destroying property is never acceptable but sometimes the situation gets out of control and you feel so helpless that making a ruckus seems to be the only way to get heard.
I agree with Louis 100% on whatever he said
But is the report correct regarding the wages? I work for an Indian company (not in India) and I receive daily mass mailers regarding referrals. A referral for an entry level position w. En (a two word city, somehing with "V", maybe?, I forgot) is 6000 Rs. Something does not compute.
@@yngwiemainstream Yes the report on the wages is completely true it's a joke how low some of these people were paid for their services.
6000 INR is roughly 80 Dollars you earn more working as a domestic help in India and their wages aren't that great either
For more context in a metropolitan city, a good meal in a good restaurant will set you back 2000 to 4000 INR for two to three people depending on the place
Destroying the property of slavers is good actually
I work for a sub contractor of a big company in america. I've never missed a paycheck and my working conditions/hours are pretty good. if apple manufactured their components and products in america it would make abuses like this very difficult to get away with. the whole reason companies set up in companies like China and India is because they little if any labor laws and high levels of corruption. you should stop buying products from companies that manufacture in such countries and don't pay above the workers exceptionally well for someone in that part of the world.
I'm never buying another apple or samsung phone, but unfortunately there will be enough people who don't care that they won't be affected. Still, I think that Louis is doing important work - I wouldn't know about any of this if he didn't cover it because journalism hardly exists any more.
> if apple manufactured their components and products in america it would make abuses like this very difficult to get away with
Their products would cost times more so it's not feasible.
This is the whole american dream. You buy cheap because kids in Asia make it, lol. There's no way you could afford products made by americans.
You ameritards really cant fathom how much REAL profit Apple is making with each device they sell you, they can easily manufacture inside the USA and still be profitable without even changing the price
@@nick7072 no, they wouldn't cost more, instead apple's margins would be lower. It would only cost more if they felt they could get away with a price increase if they think Americans will pay more for the made in America stamp
We should group all these videos into a podcast, I enjoy listening to them at work.
I dont have a smart phone, my company has issued me one that thanks to some of our contracts, are a condition of employment. Its mostly so that our contract holders can force you to use your own equipment and money to do work for them. You might say its no different than requiring you use your own car to be an uber driver, and youd be right, except while "on duty" they behave as if your equipment belongs to them.
Yet iphones have been getting more expensive.
Somebody has to pay for the higher Trump tariffs, and it's not going to be Apple!
Apple doesnt really care about the Money they just know that they can minimize the ressource return when you have no money left to buy other shit too after buying an iphone. So remember, money is printed paper. Something you cant print are resources and the 70 years of lifetime a human has to live.
@@mjc0961 i thought they built the india factory due to the tarriffs on iphones set by the indian goverment? Iphones too expensive to buy in india? Apple tried to tap into the indian market so building phones there would stop this?. Maybe i heard all that wrong and its nothing to do with trump? Im also in the uk so what tarriffs are apple getting hit with from the uk goverment?
Obviously living standards and slave labour is a key factor
@@mjc0961 Good. Retarded Apple customers should be on the hook.
Remember, it’s only a recent development that we don’t cut off the heads of the rich when they get too powerful. The burning of a factory is tame.
That's a tradition that should be brought back all over the world
@@BarnacleBoy42069 ah the good ol' guillotine
Conversely it's only a recent development that the factory owners don't hire gangs to shootup the rioting workers.
let's storm apple park like the bastille boios
@GeorgeMonet Most corporations have security, but they outsource the rest to the government, which is happy to break up mobs because they have a financial incentive in seeing the taxes that come from the business.
People in the 70s and the 80s knew that the best defense against communism was a well compensated and happy worker. They have forgotten that lesson with the fall of the USSR.
Exactly. And that changed with Reagan and Thatcher's Chicago School style of economics. It's simple enough to fool the peasant and insidious enough to rob them and their children and their children's children blind.
@@tugger Well hasn't changed has it. The politicians we have had for 40 years have steadily ruined this country. With the help of the media and the celebrities polarizing both sides. They should all be held accountable for the damage they have caused to the people.
@@blainecouch1766
People did that and now everyone wants to call them terrorists and insurrectionists
no...........I'm sorry but you're completely wrong. We in America have set out for a FREE Society. And in order to achieve that......workers have to be able to "Provide For Themselves".....
By becoming THE ONLY source of money for your employees, you cripple their ability to be "Free" from you. We want to "Take Care" of our people, not JUST pay them well. They aren't exclusive, nor are they the same.
That's not true OP, corporations know that really well. How they get around this is with rhetoric in advertising, essentially telling you what you need to be happy. Shifting the goalposts so people expect a lower standard makes them easier to keep content and in control
I'd been remotely aware of this channel for a few years, but last night I finally watched a bunch of his content. Quality. Doesn't throw out the nuance just because it is a touchy or politically hot subject. We need more people in online discourse who are willing to engage in the nuance of a topic, while not giving room to people engaging in bad faith.
13:01 i actually audibly went "aww, buddy no-" like, homie, I know this video is kind of old, and I'm very happy you found a good catch, but bro that kinda cracked my heart to hear a lil. You're one of the most inspiring TH-camrs I've ever found! You're vastly intelligent, you're clearly excellent at multitasking and management and you've had the balls to stand up and tell these big corporations to go fuck themselves before anyone else! You've seen through their bullshit time and time again and those respectable part is you stood up against it not just for your own sake, but for the sake of those around you.
You don't have to be physically attractive to be attractive chief, you're already a fucking powerhouse of a person, and we all love you.
The problem with sending an agent to monitor is if it’s in China they wouldn’t let Apple in anyways. Legally the company (if more than 50 Chinese employees) also must have a CCP branch within the company as well. It’s chinas law. I actually learned this recently. That being said it just enforced the idea that they shouldn’t do business with those types of places if your not even allowed transparency in your own product
Did u see that on the Timcast?
@@randyrandom5702 yes he did as did i
if major US businesses required a monitor to check on things like this as a condition to do business, the CCP would probably change its mind pretty quick
@@rukisar6312 Won't help with an Indian company I am afraid.
If it was a responsible company, they could ask to see the conditions, and if told no, said 'well this is what we heard. If you don't want to let us see conditions, we'll finish our current orders and then we're done.
I would bet you the amount that's needed to pay the workers is less then one of their reveal events.
As someone who is also currently involved in a pay dispute it annoys me to see people detract from the issue just to throw accusations around and not actual address a single point of the issue.
With stuff and issues like this, I have a feeling you would get overwhelming support from all political parties because from what I see, this is just about being a good and decent person, not politics.
@Christopher Grant The only reason the prices go up is because the corporate level of the company still wants to make 150 times what there lowest payed employee makes instead of 100 times or 50 times like it was in the 50 and 60. Prices don't increase because of increased cost, they increase because of increased greed of people at the top.
@Christopher Grant Bs they move companies overseas and tell us its to be more competitive but the prices don't go down while their payroll does.
@Christopher Grant I swear I've seen a name for this phenomenon somewhere but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. It's basically that there is a perception that lower prices indicate lower quality, and below a certain price for a given product, sales begin to fall because of this perception.
@Christopher Grant Do you actually know this or are you just going with what someone else told you?
@Christopher Grant The difference is in the effort you made to check. If you're just accepting stuff you want to hear, then that will continue to snowball. It will take much more time and effort to recover from that than if you put in a little extra effort at the beginning. With extra effort, the conclusion is more true.
Like you mentioned, there are psychological reasons to keep digging a hole after a sunk cost. It is important to me to know when it is useful to stop digging.
Aside from the incredibly salient and important points made in these videos, I'd just like to say I love this content and I'm glad you're making it, and particularly I'm glad that you're choosing to use your platform for good that is still relevant to why many follow you.
You are a great voice for the hidden people. Such a good thinker! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Note to Fanboys:
Facts don't care about your feelings.
and fanboys dont care about these facts ;)
Someone should tell that to Ben Shapiro.... The biggest "I'm a victim" complex guy I've ever met.
All he ever does is talk about how unfair it is to go through life as a conservative... Aw poor Benny Shapiro...
@@michaelcorcoran8768 No he doesnt. Im not a big fan but I have political interest and I watch many different political opinions and have never heard him say that but people like to twist peoples comments for their own gain.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 I have never heard him say that. I have heard him talk about the hypocrisy that is happening in the country and when people do attack him. He is intelligent enough to know how to squash their argument. Maybe you are just jealous that he is more intellegent than you. Since you assume he has the victim complex. Are you not truly looking into yourself?
@@blainecouch1766 For people like Mr. Corcoran, reality is whatever fits his preconceived notions, which, if he's like so many others, are themselves made up of shit equally stupid people have told him.
Things like these is the reason why apple is a "trillion dollar" company.
Well explained, Louis.
Keep Informing Us. Thank You.
This is perfect reason we need right to repair and "support" small businesses. I've seen amazing things people do solo in youtube channels. In electronics. Using their precious time and often money also.
With support I just mean remove lobbying advantage and monetary support and so called "networking" benefits of big companies, to give chance for these small businesses. Dont matter if those dont grow to apple level insane size or even midsize, but to keep competition and choice in this industry.
One hopes those new laws coming to the EU that make companies liable for violations down the line in suppliers and sub-contractors will have an effect. I have my doubts...
I think it will have a similar effect to the "cookie/privacy laws." Meaning: it will make everyone pissed, it will add layers of complication to simple things, without solving the underlying issues, it will make people more creative in finding loopholes... BUT, it will get everybody to talk about the problem and make them conscious that the problem exists. Which is the first step to possibly solving it.
The EU only wants their own monopoly, they claim alot and do the direct opposite. You get poisoned food in the EU, approved by EU regulations.
I'm not a communist, or even a socialist, but I am way further left than Louis and still find him agreeable on many things.
Right to repair obviously, but also the sustainable businesses, looking at all sides of an issue, not being a fanboy or hater of any company/group/individual but instead judging them based on their actions and goals.
seems logical.
Love this guy. Such a hero for the everyday person.
I'm not a hero, I'm as much a piece of shit as anyone. Just not as much of a piece of shit as wistron management.
@@rossmanngroup My man look into the Asch experiments and then report back to us that you aren't one.
All it takes is a few of us hard asses standing up for whats right. The Asch experiments demonstrated that Human Beings will go for social cohesion and knowingly lie to your face to keep the peace unless there's at least one other person willing to call a spade a spade.
I'm right there with you, we're still human, in no way shape or form should we be idealized or idolized, I just know the human psychology enough to say with full knowledge that yes, stands like this, your way of seeing things, is fucking heroic, is vital, is important.
I don't say it one fucking bit to feed some egoism, I say it the way you spread your wisdom, it's something that needs to be said, whether you want to see it as a medal or some far flung opinion of you is entirely out of my hands.
@@rossmanngroup - you’re an asshole, not a piece of shit. You’re a businessman with a profit motive, sure, but you are also an advocate for clear thinking. You care about your employees, honesty and fairness, and that’s an example that some minds really need to see.
You add something to this world, and you are at least a minor hero, asshole.
Whataboutism does not help win arguments.
I'm proud of you for overtly putting the world SLAVE in the title Louis. This is the truth of the modern world, slavery was never abolished, it was simply outsourced.
On TH-cam's promo feed, I saw Louis Rossman's face, and below his face it said "Stupid and Stupider.
I thought, "seems about right", and I clicked!
I think it's not bad, that Louis missed his date. now he has someone, who would direktly come help him pick up the trash.
These same people care so much about minorities and their livelihood within their locale but have zero qualms about human beings in other countries living far worse conditions due to their favourite company trying to cut prices(on manufacturing side).
They don’t actually care about minorities, they just claim that they do so they can feel good about themselves.
Accusing Louis of being a hypocrite does not undermine his argument. Trying to dismiss the point Louis is making by accusing him of hypocrisy is fallacious in this context. It carries no weight. Arguments stand and fall on their own, regardless who espouses them and that person's character or alleged hypocrisy. Focusing on some minor technicality of calling the situation "wage theft" vs the more hyperbolic "slave wages" is a red-herring distraction and does not address the actual point being made. I wish the public schools would do a better job teaching argumentation and critical thinking that way we would have a higher standard for discourse and not be taken in by awful arguments people make that are not at all convincing.
So true, it's nothing but ad hominem, it holds no weight in any logical stance you attempt to take and it's also a gross deflection of the issue (classic whataboutism). It's weird how all of these Apple apologists are literally constructing their arguments on common logical fallacies.
"you may have a point, but you are biased so I win buh byeeee"
smug wojack
am i the only person that finds his delivery totally hilarious...? logical on point arguments and views.. and hen the bonus the delivery... thats why i enjoy his videos..
I do agree with you points.
When I was a procurement engineer (buyer) at Japanese automotive factories, we investigate many dimensions of subcontractor. Over a reasonable price, we investigate their production methodology, toolings, QC, environmental effect, financial, and the worker welfare. There are some cases that company cut the annual bonus that cause massive revolt which delay the final product shipment about half-year.
The big company usually careless about this problem.
When Fanboys rage! rossman eliminates, Not the hero we deserved but the hero we needed
My current employer initially contracted me through Wistron. They tried to fuck both of us around on the deal. Neither of us will ever do business with Wistron again.
Utterly unsurprised to hear this is how they run a factory.
I am confident many people would love to hear more about your experience. Do tell!
@@rossmanngroup Can't get in to all the specifics, but the basic outline of the situation will do. Wistron claimed _dramatically_ different details of the written contract after both myself and the employer had agreed to a very different set of details verbally. Of course Wistron made the claims because it was financially beneficial to them while placing myself and the employer under conditions we hadn't originally agreed to.
Upon myself and the employer having discussions and going back to the documentation we had signed, Wistron's agent was lying; while the deal was different from what we had both verbally agreed to, it was not as dramatic as their agent tried to claim. Employer went back to Wistron and Wistron used other deals they had with employer to force the conditions their agent had initially claimed on us.
My direct boss and I were _pissed_ and immediately registered our story and complaints with management. Boss will no longer allow contractors to come in from Wistron and has advised his entire department to do the same, corporate has placed them on a shitlist for the future. Obvious I won't ever contract through them again.
I'm a programmer and a agent contacted me to do contract work for their client. They told me they would be paying me the salary... in other words I work for them, but my services are for THEIR client. Thanks but no thanks... that kind of situation leads to abuse of power from all sides. There's a reason why they set it up that way, and it's never in the workers interest.
@@BillClinton228 I've been cobtacted by numerous job cobsulting agencies as well, and a lot of them pan out the same, if there is actually any progress from their side, they'll push in order to have you contracted through their company, instead of you supplying your own 1-person company. It'll begin to sound really sketchy with them doing "registrations" and such for fees and them taking a percentage of your pay. That's the point where I usually either won't hear from them because I won't agree to that BS, or where I'll just jack-up my price... Mainly to have them discard me. People are assholes and they'll rob you for everything they can if they have the chance.
@@rossmanngroup during the 1800's people understood the difference between working for yourself and giving your time to others for less value in money - so they called it "wage slavery" - not getting value for your work. Just like slaves. Slaves got food - would you call that "pay" or compensation? If you only get paid "enough" to buy a little food - or even too little food - or making you have to choose between food, clothes or shelter - you are effectively a slave. A "wage slave". But a slave nonetheless - forced to work for others in order to survive. Forced to work for others by economics, by bank,s by corporations and companies that had the means to take control over the land, the resources, the state, the government, the legislation, and the economy of the nation as central banks have etc.
When people could go into the forest and build a log cabin, till the soil, grow their food and leave the farm to their children so they had a better outset, people had a better idea of what economics were. Which is why they opposed central banking in the late 1800s. See the documentary "The Secret of Oz" for example on central banking taking the farms during the 1930s after the crash. Intersting and important to know your history.
The sad truth is it won’t even put a dent to Apple’s sales
Do you think other tech companies are different? We are addicted to our phones, iPad, computers, and games.
Mina: yeah. Apple is a bit worse than the rest
Only if people stop talking about it.
Your "the lizardbrain wants to attack" got me, hilarious. Coincidentally I had a similar talk with the family yesterday.
People nowadays find that anyone with a different view to be the enemy, and are in general unable to look at topic objectively.
Thank you for your common sense and wisdom. We seldom see that on the internet.
"He said something bad about company I fan of, let's attack!" 😂 Too good.
"If you're a fanboy of ANY of these companies, you're a fucking idiot!"
- Linus Sebastian, WAN Show 2020
@@wingracer1614 best wan show ever. 😂
Gotta love Americans for saying "it's the Communists!!!" every time they disagree on something
Even if it were communists, those guys don't usually turn up if people are being paid fairly for their work.
Just remember those are the old boomers who lived with the Red scare. Not every American nowadays not give a shit about communism. Except for edgy leftist in university or “Antifa”.
It usally is the Communists pulling this shady stuff. It's a parasitic and highly exploitive political system designed to put everyone into the same level of misery and poverty other than a burocratic ruling elite.
it's funny how effective propaganda was in the usa, for that fear to have persisted, i see comments all over youtube that may as well have been from the 50s
@Dharmic Science XD
Between slavery and being defrauded there is a common factor: exploitation. Slavery, more or less, is a historical categorization of peoples into those who are forced to serve and those who are to rule them. Class theory attempts to order and control people by way of designating a person as part of a class, which is barely a step removed from slavery itself. All well intended political ideology invariably fails in practice when it is based on classifying peoples by some type or status, or planning society through some mandatory establishment. Communism fairly gets criticism on this front, but in truth the problem is not isolated to any one form of government.
They were promised a wage. They were cheated. They're not categorically slaves until they're confined/imprisoned and forced to work, and even then we would recognize that they actually had contracts to begin with, so they weren't slaves. Acknowledging that in no way diminishes the severity of the abuse they received, but if you think there's no meaningful difference then you're being intellectually lazy because you like the way it sounds to say it's slavery without appreciating its meaning.
If you believe this is slavery, there is a higher bar for you reach: Either the government permitted the company to defraud them, or the government itself is actively participating in the fraud. To that end, we would recognize the problem to be systemic, but at that point we can't just point fingers at sleazy, morally bankrupt business owners and give the government a pass. We would now have to look at the government which not only permitted such a situation to exist, but is largely hypocritical by nature of forcing outcomes, employing extortion and exploitation of people to the benefit of political elites who maintain stature of corporatism.
"The only reason the Communist instigator is able to go in there and start all of that trouble, and start all of that shit, is because they were doing something that was wrong".
This isn't always the case, but your point is well taken, Louis. This wouldn't have boiled over if there weren't legitimate grievances. I just don't think you can say that communists are only interested in breaking up businesses that mistreat their employees. Communists, like all other statist busybodies, are interested in the predation of existing wealth, which can include exploiting people in business relationships where there is no desire for intervention and everyone is getting along and receiving what they contracted for.
Are you claiming that chattel slavery is the only type of slavery that exists? India has high levels of peonage / debt slavery. The 2016 Global Slavery Index ranks India as 4th highest worldwide with 19 million Indians enslaved. ("Practices of Bonded Labour in India: Forms of Exploitation and Human Rights Violations", The SAGE Handbook of Human Trafficking and Modern Day Slavery, pp. 126-138, doi.org/10.4135%2F9781526436146.n6 )
They have to go to a particular building to do the work. Confinement. They cant just leave because then they would starve as they have no alternative.
They are forced to work because if they don't then they starve. Forced labour.
Economic slavery is still slavery. Being able to choose your master doesnt make you any less of a slave. These people dont even have that minor privilege.
@@richardsanchez7791
>They have to go to a particular building to do the work. Confinement.
If you get a job at McDonalds preparing meals, they expect you to be there making meals because not only is that where the equipment is located, but that is where the customers go because that's where they expect the food. Saying that an employer has a particular place for you to work is equivalent to being confined against your will is some kind of clown logic.
>They cant just leave because then they would starve as they have no alternative.
I can't just leave work whenever I like without consequences either. But that's not the issue here. The issue is that they did show up for work and were defrauded by not being paid based on their contract. I don't get the feeling you have a job because everything else about this is basic knowledge.
>They are forced to work because if they don't then they starve. Forced labour.
It's not forced labor, but tell me more about how nature is oppressing you and causing you to starve if you don't do something about it.
Love you calling out the people trying to bully you. Keep up the solid unbiased work.
Very well said. Take good care of your workers and they will take good care of you.
Being a fanboy very closely resembles dogma, religion, and identity politics. It certainly has little to do with facts, evidence or objectivity.
Dying for prophets == religion.
Dying for profits == capitalism.
Dying for dictators == authoritarianism.
Lot's of people still like the first two, though they do seem to be getting less popular.
It's nice to see at least the third one is getting much less popular. At least in America it's only a portion of the most die-hard Trumpets that would see him as king.
@@Jcewazhere
Its strange how the word profit and prophet sounds so similar.
next time they vote " being a democratic nation " insist on a robust labor law. We enjoy such labour protection which is why when Louis sees this wage injustice he is so horrified and calls it "slavery". just weak labour laws son.
"don't go on strike boy, just show up for work every day and do a crappy job"
Said Homer Simpson to his son Bart.
Thanks Louis, imparting knowledge that university and collages don't teach, good business ethics.
Hey Louis,
it's so sad that you “have to” make so many videos about so many things that go wrong in this (tech) world, instead of making content about things that you are passionate about: fixing things and making customers happy. The world is sometimes so fvcked up and it seems that a lot of people don't give a damn sh1t about it. We consumers should let the companies know that we are not OK with what's wrong, by stopping buying their products until they consider changing direction ... I have to admit: wishful thinking :-(
Anyway, thank you for your work, your honesty, and your courage to speak up the way you do. I hope and wish, that you will be rewarded with a change in a positive direction!
I wish you all the best, a wonderful holiday season and hopefully a much better 2021. All the best and stay safe...
Best regards from Switzerland.
At the Rossmenn network, Louis roasts Apple and it's assinine sub contractors(not the workers) no wonder apple is worth so much, it does not pay it's employees.
It is called wage theft, because that is the legal term.
It’s really cute. Because we don’t do slavery anymore, so we just gotta rename it so that the general public won’t care about it
@@frankmerker630 it is not slavery, because no one is being forced to work. Calling it slavery is hyperbole.
Funny how ZERO Media in the US covered this
Trump bashing is more important to forward their communist agenda.
@@Rochester92G
Off course
CCP owns America and Europe
Great clarity - Thank you, and keep it up. It is really great to get in the open.