That's true! It's a big pro and you can put the work in your portfolio. Just be aware of the the negatives of working with an agency. Too many cooks in the kitchen, an endless amount of revisions, they'll view you as replaceable, and whatever sense of style you have as an editor won't exist in the final product, oh and payments usually take a long time to happen.
I think the biggest issue for us video editors, is an issue that won't ever get solved. The issue of content creators wanting to pay pennies, for quality work. Content creation is the most desired job. Who could blame them, if you make it into the upper % you're fucking rolling in cash. So in efforts to keep scraping by, they don't want to pay human beings, the amount of $ that they should be paid. Some are aware, feel bad, but still partake in cheaper editors over in the Philippines or Indonesia, or a young adult still living with their parents trying to pursue a dream. Others don't care, will use others to get themselves to the top, and will say "this editor only charges X." Okay... but that editor is also under charging in efforts to fight for work so they can pay their bills. The only way to avoid this kind of financial abuse, is to join an agency/team/studio. The thirst of content creation, and abuse of anyone that works with them will always exist
I've run into people who have an editor job listing who really want a someone to do analytics, titles, thumbnails, and directing for them. A lot of the work I'm doing is just being told to do my best as "the expert" with a video of someone talking to their camera.
It is meant as if you already have a client base and kinda known locally for your job so anyone could ask you to work with. This could be a friend who is making "creative" music video for 10$ or a potential client who is promising to give you edit "super brain exploding footage" from a corporate event, but in the end you get a footage from vhs camera and this event looks just boring and cheap. Even if you worked with this friend/client before it does not mean you have to act "nice" and take their projects cuz it's potentially could ruin your timing, workflow of anything else.
I am a freelance video editor. Currently, I am having difficulty finding clients. I know there are various platforms like Fiverr, Freelancer, and many more, but the results are not optimal. I rarely get clients. I have been thinking whether I am on the wrong career path. Am I lacking in building connections with agencies or anyone who wants to hire my services? I have watched some of your podcasts and there was a discussion that, no matter how great your editing skills are, without promotion or viral content, it will be difficult to find a way where clients and workers meet. Without sales, our products or services will not be purchased. That’s my current position. Do you have any suggestions?”
I edit weddings for wedding videographers all over the world and although that is a niche, I absolutely love it and that's the most important thing for me, being self employed can be really tough but it makes it so much easier if you love the work you create.
As someone who has been looking for editor's for a while. A lot of people like to inflate the price when their skill is simply not there. So many pushing short form only which does not generate much of an ROI vs longform. I have been editing for 5+ years and just looking to buy back my time without sacrificing quality.
This one is the most helpful podcasts I have ever watched. I can relate my self with them. My biggest mistake that I was doing for the last year was to not picking my editing niche. The problem that I had was that the niche which I wanted had no clients in it and pitching such client was very tough. But now in 2024, I'm not gonna do same mistake. I'm working on my 2 niches. Top 1 is songs editing. Top 2 is youtube talking head editing. And the rest thing I'm trying to figure out with the time. So those editors who are really doing that mistake, please be mindful and work on your niches. Again thank you so much for this podcast. Love from INDIA
Very proud to be making my debut on the editing podcast at 17:07 in, zoom in on the screen and you might be able to make out a few pixels that make up my name. Haha as a side note, this episode was great! We need more info on how to know what to charge.
Even tho you didn't really say that my main takeaway here is: Focus on one revenue stream first then diversify. In all my time as a creative I had multiple income streams but often that lead to none of them being that sustainable.
Damn I thought I was the only making the dumb mistakes taking too much work. We are really are more a like than we think. I read a quote form this book "Your IMAGINATION is bigger than your CALENDAR", this statement has shifted my whole perspective of how i view my thought vs reality. Reality is Measurable but Your Thoughts can be Infinite. Regardless any we can Imagine as a Human beings is Finite compared to the WISDOM of GOD.
04:24 - I think that there's a difference here for a reason. In the traditional space, even if you're editing a TV show, although the editor makes some creative decisions, you're still guided way too much, and a lot of that process is premeditated, and a lot of times the directors, producers are taking their turn in the editing room while the thing is getting cut, and you know exactly what you can and can't use in your edit. And although some of the bigges channels have made efforts to come closer to that world, speaking from experience, whenever I was editing for someone I was always not just their editor but a second writer, someone who is in the know as to what things pass within certain niche, and generally someone who has more of a web meme know how, what types of things go in a certain video and what doesn't. Also, we online editors most of the time, although we hide behind fair use and stuff like that, fact of the matter is, internet has normalized usage of assets that are either in the grey area, or are traingt up infringement, and most of the times, clients would request shuch things (like including scenes form a TV show, or cerain images etc.), and even when it's such a grey area, one of the skills is also knowing where are the lines, and how can you through editing decisions avoid certain traps when it comes to video takedowns. Other times, my editing decisions are there to suggest a comletely alterier line of reasoning through usage of montage and etc. Creating assets from scratch, which on a tv show or a movie, a sole editor would never do. Also, a sole editor would never do some animations and then edit the video, you would have separate people for that, who are all guided by one vision. In the online space, you have the contorus, more like an unfinished cake mould, and you not only have to filish that form, but also pour into it substance and vision. The other thing is, the experience of an online video efitor is colse to an actors experience in movie making in a sense where a director would be lucky to make one movie every two years with maybe a music video in between. An actor, on the other hand, works on 3-4 movies and god know how many commercials, and would see dozens different approaches on a yearly basis. We too, the editors, work on many different channels, on top of just consuming lots of media and generally having a media literacy, which gives us an adventage over someone who only had theri vision to deal with and who ahs experienced only their own struggles in producing media. In that way, you can also guide them. And I know that I can't be speaking for all the editor out there, but if you're confident enough to put yourself on the market to be employed as an editor, and you're good enough that you have returning customers reccomandations and new ones comming in, chances are - you know more than the person hiring you. Even in the situations when I was a part of the bigger online organizations that produce content, they would hire me because they valued what I did what I can contribute so even though I'm dealing with experienced people, they still expect a lot of these things because theyt's why they hired me in the first place (knowing that I'm not just a lumberjack chopping, but that there is someone who cares about entertaining himself first). So that's essentially why I believe we can't really compare web spaces and traditional media. Traditional media gets paid WAY more per job, and they have set systems where you'r just one small part. Online, even if you're just a small part in a big production (like Mr Beast), a lot more commitment is expected of you and it's expected that you elevate the content and to always think whether someone is clicking off and how can you entertain them. Even though we're not getting residuals, I believe that if we're not going to get the kind of money proffesionals in the traditional world get, then we should at least normalize those small residual payments and work on educating people just how much more, other than cutting, does a good editor bring tot he table.
I appreciate these tips a lot! You share your experience and ways of creating various incomes, but also try to include beginners. Choosing a specific niche is something I was thinking about much more lately too, I don't want to niche down too much to be seen as an editor in just that field and finding it hard to get out of that niche then
Very helpful video even for someone who's not necessarily trying to make money editing at all right now because it seems too hard to make good enough money doing it...
You should also talk about "how creators are exploiting editors by asking for free trials in every job post". Every job I see nowadays requires you to edit a free test video when the creators see that you're qualified for the role.
I am more concerned that editors are getting outsourced so much that it doesn't feel like it's worth editing for someone else. Many clients who are looking for editors are offering so little that you might as well flip burgers. Less stressful 😐
All that streamlabs talk... was going to say "come on guys, they sponsor this one or something?" And then the penny dropped. Nice. Some good advice in there.
How do you transition to a different niche if you're pigeonholed? I have a client that's been getting me into podcast/interview editing, which I want to do more of with other new clients. But I'm still stuck halfway being an established Twitch editor.
Agency work is the best way to build your resume, you sometimes end up editing for brands that are completely beyond your reach..
How do you get agency work? Right now I’m making my own content and trying to edit as a freelancer but most of it isn’t showreel worthy
@@GregTurismoI do outsource a lot of work.
That's true! It's a big pro and you can put the work in your portfolio.
Just be aware of the the negatives of working with an agency. Too many cooks in the kitchen, an endless amount of revisions, they'll view you as replaceable, and whatever sense of style you have as an editor won't exist in the final product, oh and payments usually take a long time to happen.
this is so true
I think the biggest issue for us video editors, is an issue that won't ever get solved. The issue of content creators wanting to pay pennies, for quality work. Content creation is the most desired job. Who could blame them, if you make it into the upper % you're fucking rolling in cash.
So in efforts to keep scraping by, they don't want to pay human beings, the amount of $ that they should be paid. Some are aware, feel bad, but still partake in cheaper editors over in the Philippines or Indonesia, or a young adult still living with their parents trying to pursue a dream.
Others don't care, will use others to get themselves to the top, and will say "this editor only charges X." Okay... but that editor is also under charging in efforts to fight for work so they can pay their bills. The only way to avoid this kind of financial abuse, is to join an agency/team/studio. The thirst of content creation, and abuse of anyone that works with them will always exist
Agree.
I've run into people who have an editor job listing who really want a someone to do analytics, titles, thumbnails, and directing for them. A lot of the work I'm doing is just being told to do my best as "the expert" with a video of someone talking to their camera.
It's difficult to say no to all the opportunities especially when you aren't getting paid well...
Exactly
It is meant as if you already have a client base and kinda known locally for your job so anyone could ask you to work with. This could be a friend who is making "creative" music video for 10$ or a potential client who is promising to give you edit "super brain exploding footage" from a corporate event, but in the end you get a footage from vhs camera and this event looks just boring and cheap. Even if you worked with this friend/client before it does not mean you have to act "nice" and take their projects cuz it's potentially could ruin your timing, workflow of anything else.
I am a freelance video editor. Currently, I am having difficulty finding clients. I know there are various platforms like Fiverr, Freelancer, and many more, but the results are not optimal. I rarely get clients. I have been thinking whether I am on the wrong career path. Am I lacking in building connections with agencies or anyone who wants to hire my services? I have watched some of your podcasts and there was a discussion that, no matter how great your editing skills are, without promotion or viral content, it will be difficult to find a way where clients and workers meet. Without sales, our products or services will not be purchased. That’s my current position. Do you have any suggestions?”
Join a paid community where you'll get to learn how to do meaningful reach outs that offer value
do outreach
build personal brand on X
if you don't show up on the market how they will find you?
I edit weddings for wedding videographers all over the world and although that is a niche, I absolutely love it and that's the most important thing for me, being self employed can be really tough but it makes it so much easier if you love the work you create.
Hi I just started video editing few month ago and your videos help me a lot to improve my skill. Thank you so much.
Shooting shadow side!!! I love it! Podcast is looking great! And the content has always been great!
It may not be apparent to you right now, but you are documenting an important history in many of the videos that you post on this channel.
I agree with the 'learn to play a new instrument' part.🎹
Pro-tip, when working a corporate gig be prepared to pick up other areas of production. It'll likely save your job.
Oh Look Hayden. Your arch Nemesis Made it into the video! But the "one project into many forms of revenue" is brilliant
I love those pins.
I got streamlabs tattooed on the inside of my eyelids but it’s always too dark to read it and the pain won’t go away - thank you kings!
As someone who has been looking for editor's for a while. A lot of people like to inflate the price when their skill is simply not there. So many pushing short form only which does not generate much of an ROI vs longform. I have been editing for 5+ years and just looking to buy back my time without sacrificing quality.
Man, that's so true, especially about the overworking - I still don't really know how to optimize properly and not burn out)
This one is the most helpful podcasts I have ever watched.
I can relate my self with them. My biggest mistake that I was doing for the last year was to not picking my editing niche. The problem that I had was that the niche which I wanted had no clients in it and pitching such client was very tough. But now in 2024, I'm not gonna do same mistake. I'm working on my 2 niches. Top 1 is songs editing. Top 2 is youtube talking head editing. And the rest thing I'm trying to figure out with the time.
So those editors who are really doing that mistake, please be mindful and work on your niches.
Again thank you so much for this podcast.
Love from INDIA
Very proud to be making my debut on the editing podcast at 17:07 in, zoom in on the screen and you might be able to make out a few pixels that make up my name. Haha as a side note, this episode was great! We need more info on how to know what to charge.
Loving the content guys!
Fingers crossed!
Having a capacity limit for how many projects you have live is so important
Even tho you didn't really say that my main takeaway here is: Focus on one revenue stream first then diversify.
In all my time as a creative I had multiple income streams but often that lead to none of them being that sustainable.
Riches in the niches!
The goats are back!
Damn I thought I was the only making the dumb mistakes taking too much work. We are really are more a like than we think. I read a quote form this book "Your IMAGINATION is bigger than your CALENDAR", this statement has shifted my whole perspective of how i view my thought vs reality. Reality is Measurable but Your Thoughts can be Infinite. Regardless any we can Imagine as a Human beings is Finite compared to the WISDOM of GOD.
So glad I found this podcast! Me being a video editor it’s nice to see like minded people!
How can I join in on the live where you critique edits? Also do you consult or review growing channels?
Hayden wearing a premier pro patch
help
how it work the consultation part? 🤔
I’ve been editing for seven years now partly my own stuff and a lot of client work and I’m still having trouble finding consistent work
04:24 - I think that there's a difference here for a reason. In the traditional space, even if you're editing a TV show, although the editor makes some creative decisions, you're still guided way too much, and a lot of that process is premeditated, and a lot of times the directors, producers are taking their turn in the editing room while the thing is getting cut, and you know exactly what you can and can't use in your edit. And although some of the bigges channels have made efforts to come closer to that world, speaking from experience, whenever I was editing for someone I was always not just their editor but a second writer, someone who is in the know as to what things pass within certain niche, and generally someone who has more of a web meme know how, what types of things go in a certain video and what doesn't. Also, we online editors most of the time, although we hide behind fair use and stuff like that, fact of the matter is, internet has normalized usage of assets that are either in the grey area, or are traingt up infringement, and most of the times, clients would request shuch things (like including scenes form a TV show, or cerain images etc.), and even when it's such a grey area, one of the skills is also knowing where are the lines, and how can you through editing decisions avoid certain traps when it comes to video takedowns. Other times, my editing decisions are there to suggest a comletely alterier line of reasoning through usage of montage and etc. Creating assets from scratch, which on a tv show or a movie, a sole editor would never do. Also, a sole editor would never do some animations and then edit the video, you would have separate people for that, who are all guided by one vision. In the online space, you have the contorus, more like an unfinished cake mould, and you not only have to filish that form, but also pour into it substance and vision. The other thing is, the experience of an online video efitor is colse to an actors experience in movie making in a sense where a director would be lucky to make one movie every two years with maybe a music video in between. An actor, on the other hand, works on 3-4 movies and god know how many commercials, and would see dozens different approaches on a yearly basis. We too, the editors, work on many different channels, on top of just consuming lots of media and generally having a media literacy, which gives us an adventage over someone who only had theri vision to deal with and who ahs experienced only their own struggles in producing media. In that way, you can also guide them. And I know that I can't be speaking for all the editor out there, but if you're confident enough to put yourself on the market to be employed as an editor, and you're good enough that you have returning customers reccomandations and new ones comming in, chances are - you know more than the person hiring you. Even in the situations when I was a part of the bigger online organizations that produce content, they would hire me because they valued what I did what I can contribute so even though I'm dealing with experienced people, they still expect a lot of these things because theyt's why they hired me in the first place (knowing that I'm not just a lumberjack chopping, but that there is someone who cares about entertaining himself first). So that's essentially why I believe we can't really compare web spaces and traditional media. Traditional media gets paid WAY more per job, and they have set systems where you'r just one small part. Online, even if you're just a small part in a big production (like Mr Beast), a lot more commitment is expected of you and it's expected that you elevate the content and to always think whether someone is clicking off and how can you entertain them. Even though we're not getting residuals, I believe that if we're not going to get the kind of money proffesionals in the traditional world get, then we should at least normalize those small residual payments and work on educating people just how much more, other than cutting, does a good editor bring tot he table.
These videos with beginner advice on hiring, working and/or monetising in the field seem to feel so helpful!
I appreciate these tips a lot! You share your experience and ways of creating various incomes, but also try to include beginners. Choosing a specific niche is something I was thinking about much more lately too, I don't want to niche down too much to be seen as an editor in just that field and finding it hard to get out of that niche then
Very helpful video even for someone who's not necessarily trying to make money editing at all right now because it seems too hard to make good enough money doing it...
You should also talk about "how creators are exploiting editors by asking for free trials in every job post". Every job I see nowadays requires you to edit a free test video when the creators see that you're qualified for the role.
@haydenhiliersmit where did you get that badge the premiere one????
Awesome stuff thank you guys!🎉
I am more concerned that editors are getting outsourced so much that it doesn't feel like it's worth editing for someone else. Many clients who are looking for editors are offering so little that you might as well flip burgers. Less stressful 😐
Is there an easy way to split revenue with editors? There was a website that helped but I think they shut down.
Interested in the thought process for the thumbnail. The $500,000 is blurred out.. but its clearly visible what number it is 😂
Thank you!
All that streamlabs talk... was going to say "come on guys, they sponsor this one or something?" And then the penny dropped. Nice.
Some good advice in there.
viewer from argentina. love u guys, keep doing this
How do you transition to a different niche if you're pigeonholed? I have a client that's been getting me into podcast/interview editing, which I want to do more of with other new clients. But I'm still stuck halfway being an established Twitch editor.
What program are you all using to edit in?
Money yeah Let's go
I like your premier pro crest
Me too and I don't even use Premiere
@@IanConnel 😂 why do you have it ?
😏we like it too
Notifications gang checking in 🎉❤😮
This video came at a great time
Attempt at thanks with money from the heart while skint etc…. :)
Great video ❤.
How does one get a hold of you, email?
There is nothing on the channels about info.
Hiller you are final cut guy why pr broschure there😂🙏🏻
Loved the podcast by the way❤️
Where can I get pins like that?!😩
🤫
genuinely is this sponsored by streamlabs ? I feels like it is but there's no mention of any paid partnership
I wonder what the pixelated number in the thumbnail could be!!
😂
I love those pin
Legends
I thought the elephant in the room, was a segue to this weeks sponsor lol
I am a new editor how do you advise me 🎦
Stay tuned till the end!
@@EditingPodcast❤
The video is great. Honest. But the clickbait headline is hilarious.
Your opinion on capcut editors?
These videos with beginner advice on hiring, working and/or monetising in the field seem to feel so helpful!
Money yeah Let's go