I wear a suit everyday. Do you think tugging on your shirt to get to your gun is better/faster than pulling it out of your pocket? I carry a small Sig P238, so it easily fits in my pocket. I go back and forth between methods. Not sure which is better.
To be honest, I have zero experience with pocket-carry guns. I don't like that method for several reasons, the main one being relevant to your question: the main drawback, I think, is that getting your hand in your pocket and then establishing a good grip under stress (and especially while moving) is very difficult with most styles of pants. If your hand is outside of the pocket when you need your gun, you'll be at a big disadvantage vs. something on your waist, even if it us under a shirt (easier to clear a garment than put hand in pocket). That being said, if your hand is already inside the pocket and gripping the pistol, than that will probably be faster (you'll have to time it and see yourself. I think you will be able to tell which is "faster" pretty easily. Just put it on a timer. Try with hand already in pocket and hand outside. Which one is "better" I think depends on a lot of things. Which one is more comfortable / concealable? Which one allows you to carry the gun you'd prefer to have? Are you worried about a single threat up close or more of an active shooter threat? (one style of carry may be better for an active shooter (more time to draw but you may want a better gun)). My personal opinion: I don't like pocket carry b/c I hate having lots of stuff in my pocket AND it's super hard to draw quickly. I also like having a stiffer holster to protect the trigger. If you find a good holster that conceals well with a suit (which shouldn't be too hard b/c you have a jacket to help conceal clips / the entire holster/pistol if need be), and you can access it quickly, then I would go that route. Hope that helps! This is largely personal preference, so as long as you can access the gun quickly and establish a proper firing grip, I don't think it matters too much.
@@thebasicswithblaze2569 Thanks for all the feedback! My philosophy has been, better to carry in a non-ideal location, then not at all. You gave me a lot to think about.
@@sweetyd For sure... I've carried in some not-great ways during weddings and such because carrying in a normal configuration isn't possible, but at least I have it on me. Makes a lot of sense for active shooters b/c chances are you'll have a few extra moments to access it v. a street mugging scenario or something, so I think your threat context is very important.
Good video bro. Just a suggestion, you should check out ulti-clips instead of those over belt plastic clips. They allow for positive attachment to clothing, going under the belt. Also adds that extra bit of concealment, maintains attachment to your person if rolling around and ensures your holster doesn't follow your weapon when drawn. I use them on my Alien Gear v3 and they're great.
Thanks for watching and the comment. Another viewer mentioned those and you'll see I have a link to them in the comments (I just forgot the name in my video). I've never tried them, but I don't like how the belt doesn't actually support the weight of the holster/firearm. I've heard some good things about them though... certainly wouldn't hurt to try if you want 95-99% concealment!
On the website there is a selection for a "shirt guard". What is that device on the rig? They come in "full guard" or "half guard" or "RMR cut - half guard". Thanks in advance.
Thanks for watching. Those are the measurements of the plastic part that sits between the slide and your body. Full guard means that the plastic comes all the way up the right or left side of the slide and keeps the pistol from contacting your body at all. A half guard comes up half way and a RMR cut is similar to a half guard, but has extra plastic cut off to allow a RMR red dot sight. Let me know if that makes sense... try to google the different guards and you should be able to find some visual examples. If you can't find anything or this doesn't make sense, i'll try to find some pics or take some myself.
sorry for the late response... The technique should remain the same regardless of weapon position. The only difference is that you can't use a "scoop" method where you grab the very bottom of the garment. You have to use the "crush-grab" method in order to clear the garment. Like Brandon suggested, leaving a button undone may very well aid in that task. It's definitely doable, I bet if you messed around with it you could find a technique that is very fast and consistent.
Good review 👍 new sub for ya. Try out the ulti clips that you can clip onto your pants and they lock down and run your belt over top of the clips won’t see anything. Perfect for single stacks. ✌️
So in this video it looks like I am not actually using the mag caddy. I don't actually use it at all anymore to tell you the truth. I now use a detached IWB magazine carrier with the G-CODE IWB clip (www.tacticalholsters.com/product/gca95-iwb-pistol-mag-carrier-belt-clip/ or www.tacticalholsters.com/product/mp-shield-iwb-mag-carrier/ ). Super comfortable. I carry my fullsize m&p 9 with an extra mage with a Taran Tactical +6 extender on it and can conceal that with a fairly snug T-shirt. It won't allow you to tuck the shirt in over it, but it helps the magazine pouch sit about an inch lower than the top of the belt, which gives the magazine a deeper concealment and less printing from the top edge of the magazine. I rarely tuck my shirt in when concealing, when I do, it's because I am at a special event. I will usually only carry my shied without an extra magazine in those situations. If wearing a sport-coat, I may do outside the waistband with the shield and an extra magazine. Hope that answers your question!
I have never timed it, so I can't give you any objective data. I doubt it would be significantly slower.... as long as you can get a good purchase on your shirt, the clearing and draw should be about the same time. Perhaps I'll do that the next time I am at the range! I don't carry with it enough like that to think about it when I am at the range. The only significant time difference that I could see is that it is probably easier/faster to just grab an untucked shirt than grab a tucked in shirt, but I bet with training one could make the time difference negligible.
I would probably just try the same way... crush grab and pull straight up real hard and fast. You would have to reach over farther and try to grab the garment right around the firearm though.... and low around the belt. No, I usually carry with my shirt untucked, which fits my style better and allows for more a more concealed carry and faster draw. For me, when I have a shirt tucked in, it's because I am dressed up and at a special function or event. I run the risk of having a slightly slower draw because I have to dress a certain way. If it's cold enough, or if I know for a fact that I won't have to take my jacket off, I will wear OWB under my jacket, but sometimes, if I am unsure, I'll carry IWB with the shirt tucked in.
Mark Huffman I carry this way very often. I center the gun so the clips are on both sides of the buckle. Also, pattern shirts (like shown) disguise printing better than solid colors.
Well the clips are only a problem if you tuck the shirt in. If you do tuck, the holster and the gun, the important part, ARE concealed. The clips are the only things that aren't. It may boil down to semantics, but for me, concealed doesn't mean invisible. You can be looking right at a sniper in a ghillie suit and not see him. Same principle. Just because the clips are technically visible doesn't mean that people know you have a concealed handgun. It isn't 100% concealed, because if you know what to look for then it is fairly obvious, but for me, i'd rather use a really solid, fast, safe holster and expose 1 or 2 clips than run something less sturdy. Since the making of this video, I have spray-painted one of the clips tan, so it blends better with khaki pants. If i'm dressing up and wearing dark pants and a belt (especially with a jacket) then a single black clip blends in perfectly. To summarize: the clips, as long as they are well camouflaged, aren't very noticeable at all. Is this my go-to holster if I always carry with a tucked-in shirt? Probably not, but I mention that I don't usually tuck my shirt in, so the 5% times in my life that I do, it works.
I have done it once or twice before, but I don't like it: 1.) Doesn't keep the pistol in place while wearing it. Slides around on the waistline. 2.) Doesn't keep the holster in place during the draw... holster would come out still attached to the pistol 3.) Sags the pants down below the belt so you'd see something anyways. If you had on some thicker and tighter pants (I only did it this way with semi-loose dress pants) then it might work.. maybe jeans or something. I just don't prefer it. I've spray painted a couple of the clips the same color as my belt loops and I think it blends right in if I need to tuck the shirt in.
The clips aren't really a problem for me and I would definitely rather have exposed clips than a soft leather holster with a clip that doesn't securely attach to the belt. I have tried clips like that in the past and in my experience, they are not that great. The pants sag, which allows the under hook to come free from the belt. The result is that your holster comes out with your gun. Those holsters are also dangerous in that they fold very easily and allow for the possibility of a ND during re-holstering. ALSO, they are difficult if not impossible to re-holster one-handed, which is something I think every holster should facilitate.
theBasicswithBlaze the clip comment wasn't directed toward you, but to all the people complaining about them showing. Iv actually had completely opposite results out of this one holster. for over 2 years iv never had any of those problems. re holster is a breeze and clip is extremely affective. I was surprised. Maybe I just got lucky and got a good one. just saying. I just ordered a kydex appendix tuckable that will show the clip just like yours. so I have respect for both. but the DeSantis was solid for me
This is exactly what I needed. Looking squared away. Thank you.
Great! Thanks for watching!
UltiClip(s) will solve the clip problem: they'll go right behind the belt, out of sight, and have unrivaled retention.
Show us how to put on a belt please
Like how the clips of the holster fit on the belt?
I wear a suit everyday. Do you think tugging on your shirt to get to your gun is better/faster than pulling it out of your pocket? I carry a small Sig P238, so it easily fits in my pocket. I go back and forth between methods. Not sure which is better.
To be honest, I have zero experience with pocket-carry guns. I don't like that method for several reasons, the main one being relevant to your question:
the main drawback, I think, is that getting your hand in your pocket and then establishing a good grip under stress (and especially while moving) is very difficult with most styles of pants. If your hand is outside of the pocket when you need your gun, you'll be at a big disadvantage vs. something on your waist, even if it us under a shirt (easier to clear a garment than put hand in pocket). That being said, if your hand is already inside the pocket and gripping the pistol, than that will probably be faster (you'll have to time it and see yourself.
I think you will be able to tell which is "faster" pretty easily. Just put it on a timer. Try with hand already in pocket and hand outside. Which one is "better" I think depends on a lot of things. Which one is more comfortable / concealable? Which one allows you to carry the gun you'd prefer to have? Are you worried about a single threat up close or more of an active shooter threat? (one style of carry may be better for an active shooter (more time to draw but you may want a better gun)).
My personal opinion: I don't like pocket carry b/c I hate having lots of stuff in my pocket AND it's super hard to draw quickly. I also like having a stiffer holster to protect the trigger. If you find a good holster that conceals well with a suit (which shouldn't be too hard b/c you have a jacket to help conceal clips / the entire holster/pistol if need be), and you can access it quickly, then I would go that route.
Hope that helps! This is largely personal preference, so as long as you can access the gun quickly and establish a proper firing grip, I don't think it matters too much.
@@thebasicswithblaze2569 Thanks for all the feedback! My philosophy has been, better to carry in a non-ideal location, then not at all. You gave me a lot to think about.
@@sweetyd For sure... I've carried in some not-great ways during weddings and such because carrying in a normal configuration isn't possible, but at least I have it on me. Makes a lot of sense for active shooters b/c chances are you'll have a few extra moments to access it v. a street mugging scenario or something, so I think your threat context is very important.
Do you prefer to carry your gun outside the waistband or inside the waistband?
Good video bro. Just a suggestion, you should check out ulti-clips instead of those over belt plastic clips. They allow for positive attachment to clothing, going under the belt. Also adds that extra bit of concealment, maintains attachment to your person if rolling around and ensures your holster doesn't follow your weapon when drawn. I use them on my Alien Gear v3 and they're great.
Thanks for watching and the comment. Another viewer mentioned those and you'll see I have a link to them in the comments (I just forgot the name in my video).
I've never tried them, but I don't like how the belt doesn't actually support the weight of the holster/firearm. I've heard some good things about them though... certainly wouldn't hurt to try if you want 95-99% concealment!
theBasicswithBlaze Patrick is correct. Same experience myself with the UltiClips! DEF get them.
I need some deep concealment, thanks for mentioning ulti-clips. They look decent. I'll check them out.
On the website there is a selection for a "shirt guard". What is that device on the rig? They come in "full guard" or "half guard" or "RMR cut - half guard". Thanks in advance.
Thanks for watching. Those are the measurements of the plastic part that sits between the slide and your body. Full guard means that the plastic comes all the way up the right or left side of the slide and keeps the pistol from contacting your body at all. A half guard comes up half way and a RMR cut is similar to a half guard, but has extra plastic cut off to allow a RMR red dot sight.
Let me know if that makes sense... try to google the different guards and you should be able to find some visual examples. If you can't find anything or this doesn't make sense, i'll try to find some pics or take some myself.
Have you ever thought in gluing on the clips some cloth similar to the trousers' fabric in order to hide them?
No, but that's an interesting idea... make them look like extra belt loops or something.
Definitely concealed. Looks good brother. Stay blessed!
Thanks. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving!
Small tip: Use a clip on phone case to cover those clips on your belt.
Not a good idea. Interferes with drawing the gun.
pulling the shirt out just a little so bags over a bit is called "blousing"
How would you pull and draw with a tuck in shirt if you were carting in the 4 position?
Mark Huffman leave the bottom button undone..or do the pull up method..with the shirt...Hayley strategic has a video on it.
sorry for the late response...
The technique should remain the same regardless of weapon position. The only difference is that you can't use a "scoop" method where you grab the very bottom of the garment. You have to use the "crush-grab" method in order to clear the garment. Like Brandon suggested, leaving a button undone may very well aid in that task. It's definitely doable, I bet if you messed around with it you could find a technique that is very fast and consistent.
Good review 👍 new sub for ya.
Try out the ulti clips that you can clip onto your pants and they lock down and run your belt over top of the clips won’t see anything. Perfect for single stacks. ✌️
Thanks for watching and the sub! Will have to give that a try soon...
Just received the same holster. Just wondering, how did you conceal the mag caddy so well?
So in this video it looks like I am not actually using the mag caddy. I don't actually use it at all anymore to tell you the truth. I now use a detached IWB magazine carrier with the G-CODE IWB clip (www.tacticalholsters.com/product/gca95-iwb-pistol-mag-carrier-belt-clip/ or www.tacticalholsters.com/product/mp-shield-iwb-mag-carrier/ ). Super comfortable. I carry my fullsize m&p 9 with an extra mage with a Taran Tactical +6 extender on it and can conceal that with a fairly snug T-shirt.
It won't allow you to tuck the shirt in over it, but it helps the magazine pouch sit about an inch lower than the top of the belt, which gives the magazine a deeper concealment and less printing from the top edge of the magazine. I rarely tuck my shirt in when concealing, when I do, it's because I am at a special event. I will usually only carry my shied without an extra magazine in those situations. If wearing a sport-coat, I may do outside the waistband with the shield and an extra magazine.
Hope that answers your question!
How fast is your draw with your shirt tucked in?
I have never timed it, so I can't give you any objective data. I doubt it would be significantly slower.... as long as you can get a good purchase on your shirt, the clearing and draw should be about the same time. Perhaps I'll do that the next time I am at the range! I don't carry with it enough like that to think about it when I am at the range.
The only significant time difference that I could see is that it is probably easier/faster to just grab an untucked shirt than grab a tucked in shirt, but I bet with training one could make the time difference negligible.
And do you usually carry the way you do in this video
I would probably just try the same way... crush grab and pull straight up real hard and fast. You would have to reach over farther and try to grab the garment right around the firearm though.... and low around the belt.
No, I usually carry with my shirt untucked, which fits my style better and allows for more a more concealed carry and faster draw.
For me, when I have a shirt tucked in, it's because I am dressed up and at a special function or event. I run the risk of having a slightly slower draw because I have to dress a certain way. If it's cold enough, or if I know for a fact that I won't have to take my jacket off, I will wear OWB under my jacket, but sometimes, if I am unsure, I'll carry IWB with the shirt tucked in.
Mark Huffman
I carry this way very often. I center the gun so the clips are on both sides of the buckle.
Also, pattern shirts (like shown) disguise printing better than solid colors.
How is it that the visible holster clips makes it a concealed carry ?
Well the clips are only a problem if you tuck the shirt in. If you do tuck, the holster and the gun, the important part, ARE concealed. The clips are the only things that aren't. It may boil down to semantics, but for me, concealed doesn't mean invisible. You can be looking right at a sniper in a ghillie suit and not see him. Same principle. Just because the clips are technically visible doesn't mean that people know you have a concealed handgun.
It isn't 100% concealed, because if you know what to look for then it is fairly obvious, but for me, i'd rather use a really solid, fast, safe holster and expose 1 or 2 clips than run something less sturdy. Since the making of this video, I have spray-painted one of the clips tan, so it blends better with khaki pants. If i'm dressing up and wearing dark pants and a belt (especially with a jacket) then a single black clip blends in perfectly.
To summarize: the clips, as long as they are well camouflaged, aren't very noticeable at all. Is this my go-to holster if I always carry with a tucked-in shirt? Probably not, but I mention that I don't usually tuck my shirt in, so the 5% times in my life that I do, it works.
Excellent video.
thanks for watching!
Very informative! Thank you! :D
Thanks for watching! Glad you liked it.
Looks good to me
Yet again, another get video, thanks, God bless
You got it brother!
why not put the clips behind your belt?
I have done it once or twice before, but I don't like it:
1.) Doesn't keep the pistol in place while wearing it. Slides around on the waistline.
2.) Doesn't keep the holster in place during the draw... holster would come out still attached to the pistol
3.) Sags the pants down below the belt so you'd see something anyways.
If you had on some thicker and tighter pants (I only did it this way with semi-loose dress pants) then it might work.. maybe jeans or something. I just don't prefer it. I've spray painted a couple of the clips the same color as my belt loops and I think it blends right in if I need to tuck the shirt in.
Nope, need 100% concealment
Why?
knarfster 100% concealed? Well then it's a pocket pistol for you.
www.desantisholster.com/SOF-TUCK Clip problem solved. Well.. partially. You're welcome.
The clips aren't really a problem for me and I would definitely rather have exposed clips than a soft leather holster with a clip that doesn't securely attach to the belt. I have tried clips like that in the past and in my experience, they are not that great. The pants sag, which allows the under hook to come free from the belt. The result is that your holster comes out with your gun. Those holsters are also dangerous in that they fold very easily and allow for the possibility of a ND during re-holstering. ALSO, they are difficult if not impossible to re-holster one-handed, which is something I think every holster should facilitate.
theBasicswithBlaze the clip comment wasn't directed toward you, but to all the people complaining about them showing. Iv actually had completely opposite results out of this one holster. for over 2 years iv never had any of those problems. re holster is a breeze and clip is extremely affective. I was surprised. Maybe I just got lucky and got a good one. just saying. I just ordered a kydex appendix tuckable that will show the clip just like yours. so I have respect for both. but the DeSantis was solid for me