I've watched this video about 4 times now and love it! Great job and hopefully you've got more to come on the Dash. I've been fortunate enough to just book 6 flights in 1 day with 2 on the Q300. Nice video!
You’re single handedly keeping my view stats afloat! I think this is my favourite so far as well - being at a small airport enabled me to get the incoming aircraft, and I had made enough other videos to know what footage I’d be annoyed if I didn’t have. That combined with the Q300, which a quite like flying in, made it pretty good all around. I’m so pleased you like it too. There have been no snacks on my flights in the last few weeks - if you’ve got a few flights back to back maybe pack something to nibble on.
@@SupersonicKiwi I have to say the same thing about the different shots. Last trip report I did back in 2019 I only got a photo of the food but no videos, so annoying! I will take your advice on the snacks and hope to see some more NZ content soon, thanks.
Haha! There's a seat for everyone and someone for every seat! Certainly not my favourite, but at least I now know I'm not leaving a dud seat for someone when I choose something with an unobstructed view. Thanks for watching!
Thanks! I hope I can keep delivering... I'm running out of footage to keep varsity on routes and aircraft types, and might have to dive back into the archives and make an older one...
@@taylorking1859 Air New Zealand are pretty good, and reasonably consistent, which is nice. Scariest flight? Nothing really stands out - I've had diversions for mechanical, and had planes take off and turn right around and land again because things weren't working properly, and some big-ish turbulence, but I've never been scared that we wouldn't land, and I've never had 'food tays on the ceiling' turbulence either. I can remember being worried that I wouldn't get out of O'Hare one January in the early 90's when there was a bad snow storm and then almost more worried when I did get on a plane because there was an announcement about ice on the runway, which sounded like quite a bad thing. And there have been a few random flights when Island hopping in the Pacific on little planes landing on dirt airstrips. And once travelling with young children and one of them decided to be violently ill half way through a long haul flight and the flight crew were 100% useless. There's been a few hairy landings - mostly into Wellington when there's an inexperienced pilot and bad wind - they lift their nose too early and have to go round a few times before they nail it - that's always a bit terrifying!
Thanks! Non-stop innovation here at Supersonic Kiwi HQ. I was just debating whether to pop the wheel view in on my current edit (as the footage is a tad less awesome), but you caught me at the perfect moment, so in it goes!
Don’t have any informed comments to make about the plane but love the music you have at the beginning when your plane arrives. And cute dog 🐶💕 great video.
As far as I can see it is looking like the ATR 42 will be the best option. Unless their order book is full. Considering all other airlines that operate 50 seater turboprop planes are in the same boat. That’s a certainty. De Havilland are busy with moving their plant from Montreal to a purpose built facility (that’s still being built) outside Calgary Alberta, so they aren’t an option. The only option really is hoping Pratt & Whitney Canada 🇨🇦 will continue making those engines and parts.
Very interesting information about the goings on at De Havilland. I agree that the ATR-42, possibly with SAF capable engines, would be the most sensible choice. Air New Zealand seems set on skipping ahead to electric or hydrogen powered aircraft, but I suspect they’ll find themselves in a bit of a pickle in a decade or so, with nothing on the market to buy and a very old fleet of Q300s.
I'm binge watching all your videos and love them! As for the Q300 replacement, the ERJ wouldn't be suitable because of its higher operating costs being a jet and I'm pretty sure you need Avsec at an airport that operates jets. The take-off and landing distance is also to high. The Q300's are just so reliable and there isn't to much need to replace them also considering the financial status of the airline. The ATR42-600 is my best bet on a replacement aircraft because of the reasons you've mentioned. Now back to watching your videos!
Oh, wow, thanks so much, that's very kind of you, and very encouraging for me! I can't believe I didn't think about runway length, and you're so right - with so manyy regional airfields having 1200m-1300m runways those jets are a no go. I'm pretty sure Avsec in New Zealand is based on the number of seat - yep, a google tells me it's required for planes over 90 seats, so it would influence a decision on size, but not on engine type. But absolutely the runway length, and possibly the maximum weights - those jets have a maximum takeoff weight 10-20% higher than the Q300. Thanks again for watching, and for the excellent insight! Feels like ATRs are the way fo the future...
@@SupersonicKiwi Watching your videos really makes me think about how it has been over 2 years since I last flew AirNZ! Thankfully I've got a day of flying around NZ in the planning!
Im a bit late here, but Air NZ is looking to replace the Q300s with much smaller completely electric alternatives. They plan to have the Q300s out of their fleet by 2030 :)
That’s interesting - I’ve seen their request to manufacturers for a lower carbon alternative, but I haven’t seen an evidence of a commitment to purchase anything.
There is the other option that shouldn’t surprise anyone and I suspect is coming as Air NZ don’t look like they are searching for a replacement for the Q300s and that is they pull out of the 50 seat market. Less flights per day using the ATR72s to some regions. And pull out of other regions all together.
That idea has a lot of merit. In my searching around for this video I saw the under 100 seat planes referred to as 'regional airliners' and 'feederliners' (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_airliner) which was referring to them servicing regions as well as getting people to hubs for onward connections, which for Air New Zealand would be to CHC, WLG and AKL, to connect mostly to international flights. I would have thought that the benefit of having those travellers able to depart and arrive from their local airport would be worth the cost of maintaining a regional fleet (I'm pretty sure the regional routes are their most profitable anyway), but they might be able to do both of those things with just ATR72s, and maybe that's why they've not ordered anything? The Q300s have 50 seats and the ATR72s have 68, giving them 36% more capacity. So one in three Q300 flights would disappear to keep route capacity roughly the same, and in a low frequency airport like Timaru they might choose to keep two flights a day and see if they can fill up the spare capacity.
@@SupersonicKiwi the ATR72 can turn a profit I believe with only a 35% load factor. I think the q300 needs about double that percentage. I’d suspect an all ATR72 fleet soon
@@kieranmacdonald83 That's very interesting - so an ATR72 needs around 24 passengers to break even on the sector and a Q300 needs 35, which feels like a very very compelling as a data point in their planing. I'm prepared to bet $0 against your opinion on this - it feels like a total no-brainer.
Thanks! That was an ultra high learning level rabbit hole! I found the IFR routes map on SkyVector and promptly lost numerous hours mucking around on it. Given that there isn't a labelled vector from WARDS to WITBY, how are the aircraft allocated WITBY as a waypoint? It's not on the filed flight plan (which was WARDS WARDS3B) - does ATC direct them to WITBY, or is it implicit in WARDS3B?
@@SupersonicKiwi Basically the STAR is an arrange of Waypoints and also information to provide flight crews with optimal flight levels, speeds and vectors to the runway, which in this case are the set out waypoints, however, ATC can still alter this with instructions e.g telling an aircraft to fly direct to a waypoint and skipping all other waypoints, often done with little to no traffic
@@SupersonicKiwi from the link in my other comment. You’ll see that the WARDS is the start of the STAR hence why it’s called the WARDS3B arrival. You will see that it contains 5 different waypoints which start at WARDS and ends at WITBY. All of these inbetween arranged waypoints vector the aircraft to align with the runway.
Yeah, it was a great view of it. I fly TIU-WLG half a dozen times a year and this one we got lucky with the takeoff and the mountain views - we were tracking slightly further west and the cloud cover was light. I was going to adjust the takeoff footage to sharpen that shot up a bit, but I was feeling like I'd spent long enough getting this one ready to publish so I left it just how it came out of the camera - I'm please it made you happy without any additional work!
@@rodsloan3810 Classic! NAC or Air New Zealand? I grew up in Palmy, and at that time there was a 737 that went AKL-PMR-TIU and back a few times a week, so I would go on that and very rarely went on an F27, and never on a red one, only on blue ones!
@@SupersonicKiwi I went on the blue ones. Red were NAC. Think I did that once. Don’t ever recall B737s into TIU though. Know a 737 used to to HLZ-PMR-CHC cos I did that a few times when we moved to Te Awamutu.
Yes, it’s a very complex calculation to determine if the cooling effect of the water will dilute the taste too much… thankfully the brew was good and strong so I didn’t need to go into mental overdrive on the calculus! Thanks for watching, and thanks even more for taking the time to comment.
Hi there. It’s production music, I discovered WestOne through a film festival I was involved with so I buy through them. When you get the tracks they supply ‘stems’, which have a few instruments per file and you can mix it up a bit. I can’t remember the name of this track but I can remember doing this mix - I was pretty happy to discover a pop track with a country sounding guitar stem! I’m pretty sure it’s off their ‘Attitude Pop’ album: search.westonemusic.com/album/wom-565/attitude-pop
I'm surprised that the entire fleet hasn't been repainted to the black and white livery. I disagree with your comment about the spacious feeling of the Q300. Try 5 burly Maori boys around you and they feel cramped as
There aren't many teal tails around any more, and Air New Zealand made a conscious decision to have two different options: all black, and white with a black tail. I can't find the press release, but here's a snippet from a news story referring to the decision, "Air New Zealand says the majority of its fleet will eventually feature the white version of the new livery and a limited number will feature the black version." ( www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2013/06/11/air-new-zealand-planes-to-get-new-paint-scheme/2411569/ ). And I understand what you mean - the seats on a the Air NZ Q300 are narrow, and if you get hemmed in it can be a bit of a squeeze. I was thinking about the 'flying pencil' planes they replaced with the Q300s, which were difficult to stand up in when going down the aisle - were they Saab 340s or BAe 146s? I can't remember - but point taken, I should have been more specific that the cabin feels relatively spacious, but in reality it's a narrow seat on the little plane!
@@SupersonicKiwi I loved flying in the metroliners they were not roomy for walking in, but roomy seating wise. Those square things weren't bad either if you were able to sit in front of the wheel arch. But the ba146 was magic to ride🙂
@@isopath1 Metroliners! That's the one. I wasn't doing much regional flying when the metroliners were in service, but my recollection is that they were cramped - but I'll take your word for it on the seat space, I would only have taken 5 or 6 flights on them. I'm guessing 'the square thing' is the Beechcraft 1600? I remember them as noisy and flimsey feeling, but comfy enough, and as you say sitting in front of the engines was a better experience than up the back. I never flew on a BAe146 when Ansett were here, nor a Saab 340 - now I'd alter an itinerary to make sure I got to fly on one, but back then I was more caught up in getting where I was meant to be rather than how I got there!
@@SupersonicKiwi I used to choose the whisper jet every time. They were well appointed and roomy as. That was them, the beechcraft. They were noisy clunkers.
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I've watched this video about 4 times now and love it! Great job and hopefully you've got more to come on the Dash. I've been fortunate enough to just book 6 flights in 1 day with 2 on the Q300. Nice video!
You’re single handedly keeping my view stats afloat! I think this is my favourite so far as well - being at a small airport enabled me to get the incoming aircraft, and I had made enough other videos to know what footage I’d be annoyed if I didn’t have. That combined with the Q300, which a quite like flying in, made it pretty good all around. I’m so pleased you like it too. There have been no snacks on my flights in the last few weeks - if you’ve got a few flights back to back maybe pack something to nibble on.
@@SupersonicKiwi I have to say the same thing about the different shots. Last trip report I did back in 2019 I only got a photo of the food but no videos, so annoying! I will take your advice on the snacks and hope to see some more NZ content soon, thanks.
Yeah! A window seat right inside the landing gear and engine view👍
Haha! There's a seat for everyone and someone for every seat! Certainly not my favourite, but at least I now know I'm not leaving a dud seat for someone when I choose something with an unobstructed view. Thanks for watching!
Yay another review good job keep it up mate
Thanks! I hope I can keep delivering... I'm running out of footage to keep varsity on routes and aircraft types, and might have to dive back into the archives and make an older one...
I love air New Zealand btw what’s your scariest flight
@@taylorking1859 Air New Zealand are pretty good, and reasonably consistent, which is nice.
Scariest flight? Nothing really stands out - I've had diversions for mechanical, and had planes take off and turn right around and land again because things weren't working properly, and some big-ish turbulence, but I've never been scared that we wouldn't land, and I've never had 'food tays on the ceiling' turbulence either. I can remember being worried that I wouldn't get out of O'Hare one January in the early 90's when there was a bad snow storm and then almost more worried when I did get on a plane because there was an announcement about ice on the runway, which sounded like quite a bad thing. And there have been a few random flights when Island hopping in the Pacific on little planes landing on dirt airstrips. And once travelling with young children and one of them decided to be violently ill half way through a long haul flight and the flight crew were 100% useless. There's been a few hairy landings - mostly into Wellington when there's an inexperienced pilot and bad wind - they lift their nose too early and have to go round a few times before they nail it - that's always a bit terrifying!
I give the puppy 10 out 10...great trip report
Haha! He’s very cute, which is lucky because he’s a bit cheeky!!
Another great video I mean all his videos are great
Thanks, that's so kind.
Great review
Thank you so much!
Us Kiwis have to stick together and support each other 🤗
nice wheel cam
Thanks! Non-stop innovation here at Supersonic Kiwi HQ. I was just debating whether to pop the wheel view in on my current edit (as the footage is a tad less awesome), but you caught me at the perfect moment, so in it goes!
Don’t have any informed comments to make about the plane but love the music you have at the beginning when your plane arrives. And cute dog 🐶💕 great video.
As far as I can see it is looking like the ATR 42 will be the best option. Unless their order book is full. Considering all other airlines that operate 50 seater turboprop planes are in the same boat. That’s a certainty. De Havilland are busy with moving their plant from Montreal to a purpose built facility (that’s still being built) outside Calgary Alberta, so they aren’t an option. The only option really is hoping Pratt & Whitney Canada 🇨🇦 will continue making those engines and parts.
Very interesting information about the goings on at De Havilland. I agree that the ATR-42, possibly with SAF capable engines, would be the most sensible choice. Air New Zealand seems set on skipping ahead to electric or hydrogen powered aircraft, but I suspect they’ll find themselves in a bit of a pickle in a decade or so, with nothing on the market to buy and a very old fleet of Q300s.
I'm binge watching all your videos and love them! As for the Q300 replacement, the ERJ wouldn't be suitable because of its higher operating costs being a jet and I'm pretty sure you need Avsec at an airport that operates jets. The take-off and landing distance is also to high. The Q300's are just so reliable and there isn't to much need to replace them also considering the financial status of the airline. The ATR42-600 is my best bet on a replacement aircraft because of the reasons you've mentioned. Now back to watching your videos!
Oh, wow, thanks so much, that's very kind of you, and very encouraging for me! I can't believe I didn't think about runway length, and you're so right - with so manyy regional airfields having 1200m-1300m runways those jets are a no go. I'm pretty sure Avsec in New Zealand is based on the number of seat - yep, a google tells me it's required for planes over 90 seats, so it would influence a decision on size, but not on engine type. But absolutely the runway length, and possibly the maximum weights - those jets have a maximum takeoff weight 10-20% higher than the Q300. Thanks again for watching, and for the excellent insight! Feels like ATRs are the way fo the future...
@@SupersonicKiwi Watching your videos really makes me think about how it has been over 2 years since I last flew AirNZ! Thankfully I've got a day of flying around NZ in the planning!
What about A220?
@@jasontoi8628 Wayyyyy too big
@@jasontoi8628 The runway at Timaru would be too short for the A220.
Im a bit late here, but Air NZ is looking to replace the Q300s with much smaller completely electric alternatives. They plan to have the Q300s out of their fleet by 2030 :)
That’s interesting - I’ve seen their request to manufacturers for a lower carbon alternative, but I haven’t seen an evidence of a commitment to purchase anything.
ATR is working on a new product called the ATR EVO hybrid since may 2022.
this could replace both ATR and DASH 8 perhaps?
I am going to miss the teal dash 8s
Me too!
Do you know why they need to repaint them?
@@captainjoshq300they are most likely due a repaint and of course they might as well paint it in the new livery
@@MMgamz They have already painted them
No kidding but I was still giving my best answer
There is the other option that shouldn’t surprise anyone and I suspect is coming as Air NZ don’t look like they are searching for a replacement for the Q300s and that is they pull out of the 50 seat market.
Less flights per day using the ATR72s to some regions. And pull out of other regions all together.
That idea has a lot of merit.
In my searching around for this video I saw the under 100 seat planes referred to as 'regional airliners' and 'feederliners' (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_airliner) which was referring to them servicing regions as well as getting people to hubs for onward connections, which for Air New Zealand would be to CHC, WLG and AKL, to connect mostly to international flights. I would have thought that the benefit of having those travellers able to depart and arrive from their local airport would be worth the cost of maintaining a regional fleet (I'm pretty sure the regional routes are their most profitable anyway), but they might be able to do both of those things with just ATR72s, and maybe that's why they've not ordered anything?
The Q300s have 50 seats and the ATR72s have 68, giving them 36% more capacity. So one in three Q300 flights would disappear to keep route capacity roughly the same, and in a low frequency airport like Timaru they might choose to keep two flights a day and see if they can fill up the spare capacity.
@@SupersonicKiwi the ATR72 can turn a profit I believe with only a 35% load factor. I think the q300 needs about double that percentage.
I’d suspect an all ATR72 fleet soon
@@kieranmacdonald83 That's very interesting - so an ATR72 needs around 24 passengers to break even on the sector and a Q300 needs 35, which feels like a very very compelling as a data point in their planing. I'm prepared to bet $0 against your opinion on this - it feels like a total no-brainer.
STAR: WARDS3B arrival I believe. With the last waypoint being WITBY where aircraft usually intercept the ILS.
Thanks! That was an ultra high learning level rabbit hole! I found the IFR routes map on SkyVector and promptly lost numerous hours mucking around on it. Given that there isn't a labelled vector from WARDS to WITBY, how are the aircraft allocated WITBY as a waypoint? It's not on the filed flight plan (which was WARDS WARDS3B) - does ATC direct them to WITBY, or is it implicit in WARDS3B?
@@SupersonicKiwi Basically the STAR is an arrange of Waypoints and also information to provide flight crews with optimal flight levels, speeds and vectors to the runway, which in this case are the set out waypoints, however, ATC can still alter this with instructions e.g telling an aircraft to fly direct to a waypoint and skipping all other waypoints, often done with little to no traffic
@@jakewigston2415 thanks!
@@SupersonicKiwi from the link in my other comment. You’ll see that the WARDS is the start of the STAR hence why it’s called the WARDS3B arrival. You will see that it contains 5 different waypoints which start at WARDS and ends at WITBY. All of these inbetween arranged waypoints vector the aircraft to align with the runway.
Everytime I send the link the comment doesn’t send 😡. You can find more information on the NZWN AIP arrival charts. 🙂
Aahhhhh my old home town of Temuka! :)
Yeah, it was a great view of it. I fly TIU-WLG half a dozen times a year and this one we got lucky with the takeoff and the mountain views - we were tracking slightly further west and the cloud cover was light. I was going to adjust the takeoff footage to sharpen that shot up a bit, but I was feeling like I'd spent long enough getting this one ready to publish so I left it just how it came out of the camera - I'm please it made you happy without any additional work!
@@SupersonicKiwi Used to do TIU - WLG in the F27. I saw my old house lol and my old high school, and my old everything else
@@rodsloan3810 Classic! NAC or Air New Zealand? I grew up in Palmy, and at that time there was a 737 that went AKL-PMR-TIU and back a few times a week, so I would go on that and very rarely went on an F27, and never on a red one, only on blue ones!
@@SupersonicKiwi I went on the blue ones. Red were NAC. Think I did that once. Don’t ever recall B737s into TIU though. Know a 737 used to to HLZ-PMR-CHC cos I did that a few times when we moved to Te Awamutu.
yu ewkened the tea yourself adding the water cheer
Yes, it’s a very complex calculation to determine if the cooling effect of the water will dilute the taste too much… thankfully the brew was good and strong so I didn’t need to go into mental overdrive on the calculus! Thanks for watching, and thanks even more for taking the time to comment.
What's the music in the start of the video?
Hi there. It’s production music, I discovered WestOne through a film festival I was involved with so I buy through them. When you get the tracks they supply ‘stems’, which have a few instruments per file and you can mix it up a bit. I can’t remember the name of this track but I can remember doing this mix - I was pretty happy to discover a pop track with a country sounding guitar stem! I’m pretty sure it’s off their ‘Attitude Pop’ album: search.westonemusic.com/album/wom-565/attitude-pop
I'm surprised that the entire fleet hasn't been repainted to the black and white livery.
I disagree with your comment about the spacious feeling of the Q300. Try 5 burly Maori boys around you and they feel cramped as
There aren't many teal tails around any more, and Air New Zealand made a conscious decision to have two different options: all black, and white with a black tail. I can't find the press release, but here's a snippet from a news story referring to the decision, "Air New Zealand says the majority of its fleet will eventually feature the white version of the new livery and a limited number will feature the black version." ( www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2013/06/11/air-new-zealand-planes-to-get-new-paint-scheme/2411569/ ).
And I understand what you mean - the seats on a the Air NZ Q300 are narrow, and if you get hemmed in it can be a bit of a squeeze. I was thinking about the 'flying pencil' planes they replaced with the Q300s, which were difficult to stand up in when going down the aisle - were they Saab 340s or BAe 146s? I can't remember - but point taken, I should have been more specific that the cabin feels relatively spacious, but in reality it's a narrow seat on the little plane!
@@SupersonicKiwi I loved flying in the metroliners they were not roomy for walking in, but roomy seating wise. Those square things weren't bad either if you were able to sit in front of the wheel arch. But the ba146 was magic to ride🙂
As for the Saab, a beautiful plane, like their cars, a fine example of Swedish engineering
@@isopath1 Metroliners! That's the one. I wasn't doing much regional flying when the metroliners were in service, but my recollection is that they were cramped - but I'll take your word for it on the seat space, I would only have taken 5 or 6 flights on them. I'm guessing 'the square thing' is the Beechcraft 1600? I remember them as noisy and flimsey feeling, but comfy enough, and as you say sitting in front of the engines was a better experience than up the back. I never flew on a BAe146 when Ansett were here, nor a Saab 340 - now I'd alter an itinerary to make sure I got to fly on one, but back then I was more caught up in getting where I was meant to be rather than how I got there!
@@SupersonicKiwi I used to choose the whisper jet every time. They were well appointed and roomy as.
That was them, the beechcraft. They were noisy clunkers.
They already have the ATR 42😂
As far as I’m aware Air New Zealand have never had any ATR42s, and don’t have any on order. Do you have a source you could point me to?