How "Mindfulness" Kills The True Meditation. Ido Portal Reveals 3 Misconceptions About Meditation.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
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@lewishowes interviews Ido Portal on movement, but the lesson about the true meditation was there as well...
The full, original episode: • The Power of Movement ...
its not mind-fullness, its mindful-ness
I think that the english word "mindfulness" is a little difficult because there is so much ambiguity in it especially when translating from the South and Southeast Asian languages.
In English, mindfulness, in the context of meditation, means to indicate that the actions that you are performing are "fully engaged by your mind". For instance breathing is an autonomic function of your ancient brain. When you are breathing you do not need your conscious mind engaged in the task. When you breath mindfully your mind is fully engaged in a task that it need not be. Humans can survive without thinking about breathing, so why do it? Why focus on something that doesn't require thought?
The point is to train your capacity to focus starting with a task that is simple to perform in a quiet controlled environment. If we asked you to focus your mind in a highly chaotic stressful environment it would be too challenging to start. If we asked you to recite 100 digits of Pi while while being hunted in the jungle by a jaguar 🐆 and defusing a bomb strapped to your chest you would probably be overcome by the different things vying for your attention including the emotional stakes and fear of the situation. So we start slow with a concept similar to the concept of progressive overload but isolating your mind as much as you can. Memory athletes are well acquainted with the benefits of this kind of mental training.
I agree with Mr. Portal the word may not be the best to describe what we are doing when we perform mindful meditation. I suspect that his approach to meditation is quite similar to my mindfulness approach. At the end of the day they are likely just semantic issues and Mr. Portal is aware of that.
Many blessings to the moderator and Mr. Portal himself. I really admire his philosophy and approach to life.
That's why he's re defining ;)
A very interesting and informative response. Thanks
Mmmm he’s also differentiating… at what point do you drop the technique? After all the technique in and of itself is only a tool. The word “meditation” has issues too. In that we attach meaning and ego and concept to it. A meditator does not need any of that… practitioners however do. Practitioners are not meditators they are merely practicing. The question then becomes what are they practicing? Awareness of the breath? No awareness of everything and no-thing all at once. Complicated to the monkey mind. Hence the need for techniques. Including stupid “mind-full-ness”. Stupid word and bastardised by so many capitalising from it.
That said. Anything that takes you closer to the truth, to the source, to the no-thing-ness - well there is value in that.
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Edo is always fascinating to listen to and always makes sense.
either this is sped up or ido has achieved ultra instinct
If you listen carefully, he's has a lot of real insight. I wasn't expecting much when I started watching. I think the negative comments are getting hung up on irrelevancies.
Have you not listened to him before? Clearly his vehicle to mastery was movement but he is quite the master.
I don't think he understands what mindfulness is, besides the surface level definition he came up with based on his interpretation of the word.
He says he likes zen but zen is Buddhist where mindfulness is the first factor of enlightenment. Even with emptiness u need attention to maintain it, and that selective attention is sati or mindfulness.
Noooo he doesn't understand mindfulness. Mindfulness is there for to SEE/INSIGHT that everything comes up and fade away, no matter which fenomena pain, pleasure, thoughts, smell etc. If you keep notice this you will reach a point like you standing in a burning house , the only thing you want is to quick out of there, because there is nothing to attain (out of the wheel of karma, attain nirvana) What he mean by meditation, so empty the mind is concentration meditation. But with concentration meditation you learn/see NOTHING about the fenomena, just reach a point of completely stillness. Concentration meditation alone NOT lead to Nirvana
Tao Plakrapong you understand this fully wise man. Om namo
Let go of nirvana, forget about it. Just be.
i agree to some of your points as well as with Ido. Both are working on the physical level. Samadhi (concentration) can be practiced in so many ways. What you and Ido Portal just said is also a part of the process. As you walk along the path you will realize that those process also helps. As what the teacher said, "you can learn and gain wisdom from anything, anyone. They are also what we call teachers."
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Bt it is a nonsense .. and then you will tell you dont understand mindfullness..fking hell
i love this man thank you ....Ido is a master and we are lucky to have him ...
bro what did he say and how can i practice stillness
should i focus on clearing my mind or something
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@@daviddugan6046 tnx for the info and i really want to know what he meant by stillness and how to practice it
I couldn't understand because of the background music
Zen says Mr. IDO, many people appreciate your new edition of body work out. Please go and progress more. So far meditation is not the subject of defination but being ...
That’s a weirdly passive aggressive response from someone with a title like “zen wisdom”. And tbh people get there egos very caught up in what they think they are doing when they are meditating for the very fact that definitions matter to head driven people. In english the word is poorly selected - you further established that in your response.
Fascinating how much people wanted to attack a guy who took issue with using a certain word. And you all practice meditation? To what end? I think he makes an excellent point. Words can catch the mind. And mindfulness is a poor translation. I think you will find he’s also differentiating technique from actually being… at what point do you drop the technique? After all the technique in and of itself is only a tool. The word “meditation” has issues too. In that we attach meaning and ego and concept to it. A meditator does not need any of that… practitioners however do. Practitioners are not meditators they are merely practicing. The question then becomes what are they practicing? Awareness of the breath? No awareness of everything and no-thing all at once. Complicated to the monkey mind. Hence the need for techniques. Including stupid “mind-full-ness”. Stupid word and bastardised by so many capitalising from it.
That said. Anything that takes you closer to the truth, to the source, to the no-thing-ness - well there is value in that.
🙏❤️🙏
i like his movement stuff, but it looks like hes had too much coffee while trying to talk about being calm. his spirit and mind are not together in this video.
You really can’t judge that
I really like your chanel so far. Although the background music is extremely distracting. It also makes it impossible to watch more than one video at a time
Embody the opposite to be the other 🙏🏽
To me, mindfulness is better described as increased awareness of your memories and feelings, allowing your conscious mind to process everything as opposed to when you’re sleeping and your subconscious does all the processing.
Love ur videos! Keep uploading that awesome content!
100%. I feel like he met my guru 🙏❤️
Who is your guru?
Interesting ideas. lose the background music.
Interesting ideas. the background music is unnecessary tho
"Mind full empty clean ness
Love this channel great insights
Nooo, lost in translation! It's not mindFULLness!
Edit: so the word actually originates from mindfullness, but still it means "full of mind" and not that your mind is full.
Please name of background music ? I love that.
Thank You! ✨😃
bro what did he say and how can i practice stillness
should i focus on clearing my mind or something
Love 💞
thanks!
No se porque, pero la forma en la que habla me dio paz
This is annoying. He is talking correctly about a misinterpretation of what "mindfulness" refers to. And then mixing his misunderstanding with meditation.
No disrespect intended but his definition of MINDFULLNESS is stopping him from understanding what its about esp. since later he talks about other ways that are exactly mindfullness
Idos comments on mindfulness are childish and arrogantly stated. The subject is far more complex and actually approaches what he means by emptiness.
it sounds like Ido's knowledge goes for miles but alas, his insight goes for but an inch. He sounds like a teenager that has it all figured out and we all know how that goes.
Please remove the background music. It's disrespectful to the people you are interviewing and diverts attention.
Mr Portal is so full of himself, being highly specialized in cartwheels and such stuff does not mean that you should talk about things you have no idea about.
Observing your thoughts without attaching or rejecting is part of mindfulness , it doesn’t have anything to do with filling your mind . Ido seems quite fidgety and agitated both in his speech and movement here .
In the end it's just a word
For him the word means something else
I think he moves because he is expressing his thoughts and feeling with his body the whole time
It's sped up. :)
The video is sped up.
Um words have definition - that’s what he is taking issue with. Not the practice itself. And keeping in mind many get caught in words who attempt meditation in any form…
He's just babbling, kinda sad
Sounds like he practices vipassana
He don´t understand the English word mindful; it´s not a synonymuous with mind-full.
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