BMW M5 M6 S85 V10 Total Engine Teardown! Preventative Maintenance Is ALWAYS Cheaper!

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    Today's teardown has been requested since the VERY beginning but these can be tough cores to find. I sold my GOOD V10 from my 2006 M5 parts car and I was able to get the customers old core back!
    My name is Eric and I own and run a full service auto salvage facility in hazelwood MO. Part of our model is selling parts from blown up or bad engines. All of the parts from the engines I tear down on this channel are thoroughly cleaned, inspected and resold when usable.
    BMW's S85 V10 is the most powerful naturally aspirated BMW engine ever, making over 500hp! This comes as a cost as these can be extremely expensive to maintain properly. They are MORE expensive to neglect.
    This core tells a story of lack of maintenance, perhaps the dirtiest and neglected S85 I've seen yet though I haven't had too many come through the shop.
    As always, I appreciate all of the comments, feedback and even the criticism.
    Catch you on the next one!
    -Eric
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  • @EATSLEEPDRIVE2002
    @EATSLEEPDRIVE2002 ปีที่แล้ว +422

    Every time I hear you say “wow, this part is in really good shape“, I eagerly wait to hear or see it being thrown across the shop😂😂

    • @Cynsham
      @Cynsham ปีที่แล้ว +12

      "This has a shape that looks like a.... fluid... passage.."

    • @mphilleo
      @mphilleo ปีที่แล้ว +7

      We have reached peak perfect parts rejection and I love it. 😗👍

    • @Nova-1977
      @Nova-1977 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Only a German car could be that hard to change a starter .I would potato chip it first .

    • @SilasHumphreys
      @SilasHumphreys ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I saw the shaft on it and was just instantly "Why, BMW, why would you do that?" Seeing it yote across the yard was glorious vindication.

    • @sc5015
      @sc5015 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Whomever the automotive engineer that decided a plastic water pump vane was a good idea should have all the failed ones yeeted at their head just like how Eric yeeted that one out the back door.

  • @midwestfarm757
    @midwestfarm757 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    My 6 year old son watches all your videos before bed and all morning before school and wants to visit the shop someday. I just bought him a 351C and he’s tearing it down. He knows what every component is inside the engine thanks to you!

    • @jeffeurobikenut7378
      @jeffeurobikenut7378 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Thats very cool! I too somehow knew what all the parts were and their function at 8-9 years old. It's very interesting that he has gravitated to seeing engines torn down. Future mechanic, mechanical engineer!

    • @MeaHeaR
      @MeaHeaR ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ore he mite be turn into Murrikân mecanick skotty killmoore torque abbout
      😟😟😰😩😰😩😩😩😩😧😦😥😧😳😵😶😵

    • @jesusyeshuaelelyonelshadai6295
      @jesusyeshuaelelyonelshadai6295 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Lol that's cool support him in his passion he will be great one day top notch

    • @alexz9947
      @alexz9947 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Future mechanical engineer in the making! ✊ We're dwindling with the onslaught of folks using their brains less and less each day.

    • @user-sf7kl9uh7k
      @user-sf7kl9uh7k 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@alexz9947There is no future in automotive mechanical engineering TBH, not for a 6 year old anyway!

  • @jlhaynes54
    @jlhaynes54 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I absolutely love my E60 M5. I daily drove it for over a year with minimal issues. I have done all of the normal maintenance and still have the car. Excellent video.

  • @reubensandwich9249
    @reubensandwich9249 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    "I like terrible things", Thanks Eric for reminding me why I tune in every time you upload.

    • @christopherweise438
      @christopherweise438 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just came here to say that. Eric thinks like i do.

  • @drewmurray2583
    @drewmurray2583 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    One time I took apart a W12 from a Phaeton and found someone had just replaced the head gaskets. They punched a big "R" and "L" on the heads but they are clearly not interchangeable. It looked like a child had done it, they were crooked and about 1.5" x 1.5". When they put the cam gears on they must have used a hammer because the solenoid body was damaged and they broke one of the oil control rings in half on the cam. Obvious fail, the car would have never run properly after all that work which explained the flood damage insurance write off. Never insurable again, the guy ruined a car and ripped off his insurance because he made a mistake. Every engine tells you a story as you take it apart. Lol I actually got in touch with the previous owner of that car because he posted tons of stuff and pics of it on VWvortex with his vin number in the VCDS scans. He said he put 40k on it with no issues until it got flooded in Calgary. Liar haha

  • @connarcomstock161
    @connarcomstock161 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Being on the receiving end of a non-maintained BMW is called "Pulling a Hoovie" I believe.

  • @BITTYBOY121
    @BITTYBOY121 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    S85 - Best engine BMW ever made - Bring it back with bi-turbo !

  • @wafflesnfalafel1
    @wafflesnfalafel1 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    My boss bought one of those when she was promoted - she failed to maintain anything (no comment....) and now she drives a used Altima.

    • @joeblowe7545
      @joeblowe7545 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But I'm sure she kept her salon, manicure/pedicure appointments right? LOL

  • @SJWetz88
    @SJWetz88 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The oil is fine, these don’t have lubrication issues they have load issues. The wear almost always occurs on the rod side of the bearing and once the babbitt starts wearing the bearing eccentricity relative to the crankshaft disappears. No oil wedge can form and the copper wears away and the bearing shell welds itself to the crankshaft. It’s why when you tear these engines done the bearings are either perfectly fine with maybe a spot of copper showing or they’re completely thrashed. Once the process starts it happens quickly, within a few hundred miles. Oil samples won’t catch it and personally I don’t think they’re worth doing. The increased clearance on the aftermarket bearings helps but if you do that 10w-60 is the only oil you should run otherwise the viscosity at operating temp may not be high enough to maintain an oil wedge with the increased clearance. My M5 is at 125k miles and runs like it’s new. These cars are built like brick shithouses otherwise and other than maintenance items they don’t need much if they’re well taken care of. For the price I paid for it it’s by far the best car I’ve ever owned.

  • @thomasperina2990
    @thomasperina2990 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Good Evening Eric & All: Thank you for bringing this engine to your channel. When I was doing consulting with BMW I was able to drive an M5 with this engine. I must admit that it scared me to death when all of a sudden the power came on. To me personally I think this engine is nothing but artwork but the constant oil leaks will drive you crazy 🤪. Thank you again for this wonderful video, TMP from N.J.

    • @billyjoejimbob56
      @billyjoejimbob56 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Worked for a company that made internal components for the 7-spd dual clutch transmission used with this engine and its little brother, the 4.0 liter V8 in the M3. Had the opportunity to drive a German spec M3 on an unlimited stretch of Autobahn one sunny afternoon. Those engines were BMW's high water mark before everything went turbo.. I remember reaching 240 Km/h (150 mph) as the car hit maximum speed... in 5th gear! Two more gears to go but ran out of empty road and had to slow down quickly. Awesome engines and cars.

    • @dkoz8321
      @dkoz8321 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Art must be painfull. Otherwise it's not art.

  • @RANDOMNATION907
    @RANDOMNATION907 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I'd love to see an Oldsmobile 5.7L diesel from the '80s torn down. I cannot find decent pics or videos of that engine, disassembled, online. In particular, how the injector pump is mounted in the lifter valley, and how it interacts with the cam. Those engine blocks are high nickle and the crank bearings are 3" like the tall deck (big block) Oldsmobile engines. I have been told that they make for an incredibly strong bottom end for a performance application. But, I _Need To See One Apart_ so I can wrap my head around it. Thanks and congrats on the baby.

    • @budgreen4x4
      @budgreen4x4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      There's a way to bore it out a little, and change rods and make it a wicked 500ci gas engine

    • @heinrichgerhardt6119
      @heinrichgerhardt6119 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I overhauled the Olds diesel in my dad's Seville sometime in the late 80's. The injection pump is driven off a pair of spur gears; the drive gear is sandwiched between the cam chain sprocket and against a shoulder on the camshaft. Then a driven gear above, angled upward to improve access to the pump bolts. The pump sits in the valley just like that BMW starter was, except in the front; where, of course, it's cleaner there.
      The cylinder walls were 0.400" thick; it's like they used a 403 casting and only bored it to 350 cu in. The rods were massive as were the wrist pins. The pistons were cast, but they had steel top ring inserts. Starting in 80 or 81, these were the first GM engines to use roller lifters. And, yes, you could bolt on gas 350 heads and turn it into a gas engine.
      If you're really interested in how these things go together, get a GM shop manual from the early 80's. The illustrations are excellent.

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@heinrichgerhardt6119
      The secret to a long life diesel engine with little replacement part maintenance...
      geared drive to both the camshaft and the diesel injection pump.....directly off the crankshaft.
      bullet proof engineering for pushrod engines...

    • @midwestfarm757
      @midwestfarm757 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Growing up we had so many v8 Chevrolets, Oldsmobiles, and Buicks. They would run forever! I think the killer thing for us was the transmission.

    • @sqmotorsports9230
      @sqmotorsports9230 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't think I've even seen one of those in 15 years.... super rare birds these days

  • @TheBmarshall15
    @TheBmarshall15 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Always warm the oil up to op temp. Replace your rod bearings which is very easy to do, and replace your fuel injectors and you have a bulletproofed s85.

    • @NickKautz
      @NickKautz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or you can use an oil thinner than the factory 60 weight. 10w60 is the cause of all that engines oiling problems. 10w40 or 0w40 would be perfect.

    • @jamesbooth3360
      @jamesbooth3360 หลายเดือนก่อน

      100+ degree Texas, so I stick to factory spec on mine.

  • @weekendwarriorweldingdiypr4604
    @weekendwarriorweldingdiypr4604 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Wooohooo!! Been waiting all week for this!! My favorite show has a new episode!!
    Congrats again on the new addition to the family!
    Time for a cold beer and a great teardown. Hoping for carnage but happy with whatever you're doing this weem.

  • @privateer0561
    @privateer0561 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    6:03. Dropped a small part from the injector body into the second from front intake port.

    • @moosenbeans903
      @moosenbeans903 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Normally the scammers have a " message me on Instagram " I haven't seen this one yet. You? I have been responding with utter trash but they dissappear

    • @matthewmurphy8981
      @matthewmurphy8981 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@moosenbeans903 - I just reported him and his impersonating channel.

  • @TheMadTube
    @TheMadTube ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Aaaah, the “rod bearings as wear components” engine.

    • @ekscalybur
      @ekscalybur ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Things that make you question that world renowned engineering.
      Almost as bad as an engine out belt service.

    • @PatricioGarcia1973
      @PatricioGarcia1973 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@ekscalybur well it’s a 500hp N/A that revs to 9k, not a sbc

    • @marklemist6928
      @marklemist6928 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PatricioGarcia1973 welcome to 1969.

    • @mattgaynor1847
      @mattgaynor1847 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Big deal lol 5.2 v8 ford voodoo makes 526 hp na and revs 8k+ not impressed with this over engineered piece of garbage

    • @johnnychimpo7539
      @johnnychimpo7539 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mattgaynor1847 are you actually comparing a mustang to an m5. The m5 poops on any mustang ever made. How’s that class action lawsuit going with those lovely voodoo engines by the way?

  • @Dragunov1185
    @Dragunov1185 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    FINALLY!!!! I was so excited to see this one after asking about this one for so long. Thanks for being awesome as always!

  • @gobuffs1993
    @gobuffs1993 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    You’d be surprised at how inexpensive it is to bore the block and get it retreated. I had Dinan do it to an S65 for under $1k including shipping. But that was a number of years ago. But then you need a stroker crank…then you have 5.5L and 600hp.

  • @wreak3r
    @wreak3r ปีที่แล้ว +50

    This engine seems like was over revved while cold for quite frequently.
    S85 and S65 gotta be properly warmed out before put load through otherwise those bearings go quick.
    I just did my s65 at 100k miles and they were still pretty decent, with minimal wear. But better safe than sorry with an expensive paperweight

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq ปีที่แล้ว +1

      MrElectrifyBF
      23 minutes ago
      @Phil Brutsche proper OCI definitely helps but it's not quite enough unfortunately. My 131k S65 has had 5k OCI its whole life and looked incredibly clean inside with almost no varnish at all but was still starting to show hints of copper on one or two of the bearings. The main contributor is the super tight clearances, factory RBs run ~0.0013in. Luckily there are aftermarket solutions that are ~0.0025in that have proven to last the life of the car if not much longer at the very least

    • @alouisschafer7212
      @alouisschafer7212 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dont they run a super thick oil from the factory like 10w60?

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alouisschafer7212
      Better to just squirt more oil into a bigger clearance so the oil cushion is larger so minimising wear...and the last thing you need on startup is thick badly flowing oils...

    • @alouisschafer7212
      @alouisschafer7212 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JohnSmith-yv6eq what they seem to be going for these days.
      Kinda loose engines, thin oil and lots of oil pressure they have introduced variable oil pumps for that reason to keep the pressure up at all times.

    • @dr.krunkenstein5466
      @dr.krunkenstein5466 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@alouisschafer7212 They do. When I had one it was ~$15 per quart and this one took ten quarts. Also the only place to get said quarts of unicorn tears was the dealer.

  • @MendicantBias1
    @MendicantBias1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Tight bearing tolerances + 10w60 is a spicy reliability recipe

  • @nbrowser
    @nbrowser ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Admit it...y'all come for Blue's prying abilities!

  • @dps381
    @dps381 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I look forward to these teardowns every Saturday. Thanks for being my go-to end of the week entertainment! I'd love to see a newer skyactiv engine. I've had two Mazdas recently with the 2.5 and 2.5T, both awesome for different reasons. Thankfully they have been super reliable too, but I'd love to see what makes them tick! (No pun intended 😆)

  • @michaelthomas-fu8rs
    @michaelthomas-fu8rs ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The ABSOLUTE BEST tear down EVER!!! This was a car and engine I wanted. In 2004 BMW offered a "Soft Sell" driving school for a 15-19 year old across the country and we went to Houston NFL stadium. They used 3 series on a soapy skid pad, quick land change maneuvers, and rapid stops along with parents getting to check out what ever they wanted to drive. I took out a 7 series and a Z convertible- they were WOW factors. Across the stadium parking lot were new owners of the M5 V10 getting coached by professional drivers- that was a sight to see when they were going as fast as they could around corners- sometimes WAAAAAYYYYY TOO FAST in which they turned 360s which was a thrill. Keep up the great videos. NOTE- I have just now gone back to watch the videos of your projects. They are amazing. I agree with you on the Lotus completely and its doppelganger is on Hemmings right now. And YES yellow does look the best ! :)

  • @charlesshamseldin9555
    @charlesshamseldin9555 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    One of these passed me at WOT a few years ago with open headers and I remember thinking two things:
    First, the sound was absolutely godlike and you felt it shred the air as much as heard it scream.
    My second thought was I wouldn't want to ever have to pay to rebuild it.
    I heard the guy around in the neighborhood for a few months but then he disappeared. A part of me hoped he just moved away and that's that.
    But I suspect as much as he was hammering on it all the time it is more likely it grenaded and that's that.
    Meanwhile, my simple boosted shitbox is still going strong.

    • @johnnychimpo7539
      @johnnychimpo7539 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Totally wrong. Those cars will have issues if you don’t drive them like a race car because that’s what it is

    • @johnnychimpo7539
      @johnnychimpo7539 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I saw one of them recently on the highway with an exhaust and it’s such an amazing sounding engine

    • @jamesgeorge4874
      @jamesgeorge4874 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thats why my boosted shitbox is an Inline 5, as close as it gets to V10 sounds.

    • @diablocls55
      @diablocls55 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamesgeorge4874 Volvo?

    • @jamesgeorge4874
      @jamesgeorge4874 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@diablocls55 yes, Hilton tuned V70T5.

  • @jasons3191
    @jasons3191 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Definitely one of my favorite videos to date! I have an e60 M5 with a manual and it's great to drive, but it is certainly a maintenance pig.

    • @moneyshifters
      @moneyshifters 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Luckiest person ever

    • @EagleEyes11497
      @EagleEyes11497 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@moneyshiftersnothing lucky about having to deal with one

    • @moneyshifters
      @moneyshifters 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@EagleEyes11497 v10 to a 6speed, doesn't get better.

  • @hangman396
    @hangman396 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Nice work, That wasn't too hard looking to deal with, congratulations to you, and your wife on the new addition to your clan...

  • @brianpatten
    @brianpatten ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another great video, Eric! Thanks for all the hard work you put into these. If you're feeling like a newer BMW engine is needed, Sreten over at M539 has an E92 M3 engine that's kaput.

  • @ovidiurusu4490
    @ovidiurusu4490 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This channel is underatted. One of yhe best channels on youtube.

  • @Cynsham
    @Cynsham ปีที่แล้ว

    The videos I always look forward to watching every Saturday on my lunch break!

  • @nerdboy423
    @nerdboy423 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I came here from the 5.2L Audi V10 teardown. I own a relatively high-mileage S85 M5, and you're correct about pretty much all of this. It ONLY looks good compared against that 5.2 :P
    I will say, they do last longer if you go easy on them in the 400hp mode. I credit that with keeping my rod bearings from spinning until 143k when I learned they were a problem and got them replaced.
    Mine was daily driven for more than 5 years, a lot of cold starts/short trips. I got lucky; I deferred a lot of oil changes and maintenance when I was younger and stupid(er). It's still purring for me now, but I'm probably not tracking it again until I get a new set of rod bearings.
    Regarding BMW's decisions; the rod bearings were probably under-clearanced in order to wring the last few HP out of it for the marketing brochures. And possibly get it over the finish line for emissions targets. The cost is engine reliability, and they probably knew it. It'll outlast the warranty, but that's about it.
    There are aftermarket bearings that (probably) fix the problem. There's aftermarket stuff for the throttle actuators, too, which like to wear down gears and blow their control circuits.

    • @homocidewhore4171
      @homocidewhore4171 ปีที่แล้ว

      Similar story to me and my F10 550i. Been with me as a daily for years now and there were points where I was slightly negligent on maintenance and frequent oil changes, but she’s been with me for 97K miles in my ownership and across the US plenty of times without issue.

    • @NickKautz
      @NickKautz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All that engines oiling problems are a result of 10w60. 60 weight is too thick of an oil for bearing clearances of 0.015" in a street car. 10w40 or 0w40 would be ideal and probably free up 5-10hp too.

  • @currentbatches6205
    @currentbatches6205 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    2:52 - You do a very good editing job, 'fast forward' where nobody cares about how a wiring harness is fastened to the engine.
    5:22 - On a Cosworth DFV (vintage race engines), the injector manifolds are fastened to the heads with (4) #10-24 Allen-head cap screws around each port, with ~1/2" clearance above the top of the head and no radial room to swing a shortened 90* Allen key. 32 screws, each loosened/tightened 1/3 of a turn per engagement, say 1/2" thread depth. If race schedule allows, save "R" and then "R" for the mornings when you don't drink coffee.
    We all have our fave shop-made wrenches and they all have a string taped to them, since, if it pops out of the head without restraint, it drops right down to the center of the V where you can't get it without removing all the stuff you were planning to remove.
    (If you work on enough of these, you get a collection of other's fave shop-made wrenches.)
    12:17 - Is that a front anti-vibe 'flywheel'?
    15:01 - The cam bearing caps will show the wear.
    17:10 - If you can see it, it's too late.
    21:16 - Thanks again for showing the chamber
    27:56 - How is an engine "overdue for rod bearings"? Is that a service issue at X miles?

  • @leagueofshadows5133
    @leagueofshadows5133 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    142k subscribers so far! It's been what 5 months since u hit 100k? Keep up the good work. Sooner or later you'll hit that million sub.

  • @yeahitskimmel
    @yeahitskimmel ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just wanted to say thanks for the deal on parts for my Miata from your eBay store, took me a sec to remember why I knew Importapart.
    Y'all rock!!

  • @johnoldonekanole602
    @johnoldonekanole602 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    WOW , engines are so complicated today . Very interesting to watch you work .You really have a handle on what you do. Thank you for sharing .

    • @ghostwrench2292
      @ghostwrench2292 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The engine in this video was introduced in 2005 - 17 years ago. Compared to cars you can buy today, in 2022, the S85 is rather simple. Nevertheless, I would love to own an E60 M6 so I can experience the S85 being driven in anger!

  • @closedjaris
    @closedjaris ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for the great teardown. This engine has been able to stir my emotions when it sings from 7k to its redline, and then it shifts to the next gear.

    • @ainsmas361
      @ainsmas361 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah into 7th at 190mph!

  • @lennartswenson2690
    @lennartswenson2690 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Much respect for the mechanics who work on these, and other engines, while in the vehicle!...

  • @Flies2FLL
    @Flies2FLL ปีที่แล้ว +25

    This would make an awesome boat engine. Imagine this in a 21 foot mahogany barrelback with through-transom exhausts....

    • @FishFind3000
      @FishFind3000 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      She should sound amazing

    • @bigduphusaj162
      @bigduphusaj162 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No it wouldn't they cannot take full throttle for extended periods, these engines are diabolically unreliable there are issues everywhere. Boat engines need boat engines that were designed to run full power for their entire lifespan.

    • @Flies2FLL
      @Flies2FLL ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bigduphusaj162 You make a very valid point about extended periods of full throttle operation!

  • @johnfranklin5277
    @johnfranklin5277 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always happy to see another one of your great videos...here we go!

  • @terrys6631
    @terrys6631 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent video and a real public service for the S85 owners. Thank you!

  • @dandel351
    @dandel351 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice to see the working bits of such a rare engine. I hope it's not too far gone and can be rebuilt to go again.👍

  • @ryanbrown918
    @ryanbrown918 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the use of ITB's BMW used on some of their M N/A engines. Nothing beats that sound..

  • @sitramaybe
    @sitramaybe 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Saving this for when I rebuild my M5. Thanks a bunch!

  • @normanschenck6906
    @normanschenck6906 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Finally the engine I've been waiting for. I bought a new M5 in 2006 and got the BMW warranty. After 5 years and 99k miles they told me I had over 23k in paid claims. I drove it pretty easy with a 90 mile commute each way 3 times a week in CT and never needed brakes or a clutch. On delivery it lasted 6 days until an oil puddle the size of Texas in my garage put it on a tow truck. Left me stranded 3 times with transmission failures and "limped" it home 3 times with vanos and throttle actuator failures. Now I've inherited my fathers E64 M6 and it's needed rod bearing, vanos line, engine mounts, throttle actuators, ignition coils.... it goes on. Driven from FL to CT twice in the past 5 months and all good. When they work they are a bunch of fun. Fantastic video as always. Now I have to go change my oil.

    • @davidstewart4570
      @davidstewart4570 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wow, are you living in the car? Sounds like you probably had to sell your house to pay all those workshop bills!

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@davidstewart4570
      No; he got the new car warranty...so all the work was done for free by BMW...to the tune of$23k!
      I hada friend who had the same thing with a new Jeep.
      Optioned up by the dealer.
      5 years warranty...$5k in repair bills on the Jeep each of the 5 years of ownership.
      Then when the warranty ran out he retired the Jeep and built an all Toyota offroader (with a fibreglass replica Jeep grille)

    • @habpar6531
      @habpar6531 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yup, M cars are engineered to fail.

    • @NickKautz
      @NickKautz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      10w60 is the cause of all the oil related issues in that engine. BMW was sued for excessive and avoidable engine failures and later realeased a bulletin recommending thinner oils. 10w40 or 0w40 would have avoided the stigma surrounding this engine, as well the other BMW engines that recommended 10w60 and had 0.0015" bearing clearances.

  • @allenbeaulieu7077
    @allenbeaulieu7077 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great job buddy. Hope you do well selling parts. Excellent video. Big Al.

  • @hellkitty1014
    @hellkitty1014 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    I think many buyers of the S85 era just didn't understand the complexity of this engine, but I also think BMW failed in not providing the masses enough info on these. This engine family is literally based off of BMW'S race program of this era.(hence the power density and high-revving nature). A great deal of these engines had very poor maintenance intervals and had the piss driven out of them in the process.
    But then again BMW was also producing the N54 and S65 during this time too...soo....whoops.😩🤔

    • @philbrutsche8928
      @philbrutsche8928 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      The one of the biggest problems with all BMW engines from the era is the marketing lie of the extended oil change interval. I'm fairly certain many, if not most of these blown S85 and S65 engines, would be fine if they had stuck with a 5k-6k mile oil change interval with the correct oil.

    • @moosenbeans903
      @moosenbeans903 ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally agree. People with more $$$$$$ than brains. Waste

    • @johnnychimpo7539
      @johnnychimpo7539 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      E60 m5 is happiest when you drive the piss out of it. Mope it around town and that’s when you have issues

    • @greebj
      @greebj ปีที่แล้ว +11

      N series V8s in the E65/66 also suffered from this long oil change interval stupidity
      And the trans in my E34 which apparently never needed a fluid change, ever, so this craziness was there back in the early 90s

    • @hellkitty1014
      @hellkitty1014 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      All true points. I recall exactly when BMW started advocating for 10K mile oil change intervals, and the public fell in love with the "3 years of complementary maintenance". That was all good if you leased the vehicle and ditched it before the problems showed up. But the second-hand market guys always got the shaft.
      BMWs also used oil between those intervals, so many of the problems resulted in oil starvation.

  • @deanharris7149
    @deanharris7149 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The difference between my Mustang Cobra and my M6 is the Mustang was made to be a $20k car with some goodies added, the M6 is a $108k car. I don’t track it but I do love to drive quickly through the twisties.

  • @MurphyTheBandChild
    @MurphyTheBandChild ปีที่แล้ว +13

    So that's why Toyota and BMW wound up working together. They're both fond of starters mounted in the valley of their V engines.

    • @earlscheib7754
      @earlscheib7754 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Northstar did it first.

    • @S1lverArr0w
      @S1lverArr0w ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The bolts being inside the bell housing is absolutely evil

    • @sqmotorsports9230
      @sqmotorsports9230 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@earlscheib7754 you made me shudder when you reminded me of my Northstar Deville and the liquid-cooled alternator. A pox on the house of whoever designed that thing...

    • @earlscheib7754
      @earlscheib7754 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sqmotorsports9230 yup early Northstars had the liquid cooled alternator, apparently BMW and Mercedes thought that was an idea worth copying 🙀

    • @mbrick
      @mbrick ปีที่แล้ว

      @@S1lverArr0w I thought that may be the case. So pulling the engine for a starter? Oof.

  • @derekfriday7931
    @derekfriday7931 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just drove an e60 m5 today. Pre LCI with an smg. What a treat to see one of these being torn down tonight

  • @MRJBTA
    @MRJBTA ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I"m in the market for an E63 M6 6-speed, this was awesome to see! Keep up the good work!

  • @poohssmartbrother1146
    @poohssmartbrother1146 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Now this is one I am going to enjoy. Overall I prefer the e39 M5, but the sound of these ole v10's is something else

  • @josephsmith1858
    @josephsmith1858 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know anything about cars but I've been watching these vids all day long

  • @hynestimothy411
    @hynestimothy411 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great show

  • @hamie63_m
    @hamie63_m ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Heyy I requested this the other day !

  • @anthonys7534
    @anthonys7534 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the cam gears! That is quality stuff right there!

  • @FrankyRedEyes
    @FrankyRedEyes ปีที่แล้ว

    Really excellent channel presenter, content and editing.

  • @marksakowski9272
    @marksakowski9272 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great as always!

  • @BenKlassen1
    @BenKlassen1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Naturally aspirated engines are nice. Linear power delivery.
    Inter-piston spacing looks very tight. No re-boring these blocks.

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Apparently you can skim the cylinders and recoat....

  • @starkindustries26
    @starkindustries26 ปีที่แล้ว

    10:08 “cut to yeet” love that you’ve laid into that and embraced the yeet

  • @WigglingWaffles
    @WigglingWaffles ปีที่แล้ว

    i like how quickly the chain tensioner came loose once you got your right forearm on the job

  • @ProjectFairmont
    @ProjectFairmont ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Such an interesting engine, Individual TBs and they make an exquisite sound.

  • @TCGTV98
    @TCGTV98 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Being a car guy, i had to subs this guy for engine teardowns. I just love this shit❤

  • @CharlesPaytas
    @CharlesPaytas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sadly for me I own two E60 M5 cars. I also have an extra S85 engine and SMG Transmission in my garage. I've been building S85 engines for a while. It's a Love/Hate thing for me. I LOVE the the S85 cars when they're running, but totally hate them when I have to fix issues. I buy S85 engines all the time as I have solved the common issues with them. I watch your videos nightly. Thank You, and I appreciate what you do.

  • @miraclemiler71
    @miraclemiler71 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is something incredibly satisfying about listening to the stripping down sounds in quick time @ 2:39

  • @Anthony-tb5vg
    @Anthony-tb5vg ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello I really enjoyed watching your engine teardown video. I was trained in the automotive field myself, but painfully had to abandon it due to serious mental illness problems. Don't know if you have ever heard of OCD but this rotten illness has caused me to become disabled and not do all the fun work that you do on automobiles. I wish I was able to do this work but unfortunately I became sick, I still though enjoyed watching you work on these engines as engine work was my favorite part of automotive mechanics. Anyway thank you for the interesting video, I really enjoyed watching it. All the best to you.

  • @Megas_1
    @Megas_1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    7:55 Ahhh yes the rule of "Don't do what Donny don't does" Classic

  • @Tony-112
    @Tony-112 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Those throttle bodies are a work of art. 👌

  • @CaptainSpadaro
    @CaptainSpadaro ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I did not know these were closed deck; makes sense though. Neat.
    Always sad when engines like this get neglected.

  • @ehrenkrause9861
    @ehrenkrause9861 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The fact the cam phasers are gear makes the timing precise like a diesel engine. Less chain less stretch.

  • @allenl9031
    @allenl9031 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    More pistons! More carnage! Yeah!
    Those individual throttle bodies are so nice!
    Someone needs to hotrod one of these and have 10 stacks sticking up, like old F1 and CanAm cars...

  • @992turbos8
    @992turbos8 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was my first M5 , I always wanted to see it torn down. Thanks

  • @EagleEyes11497
    @EagleEyes11497 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve been waiting so long for this video

  • @myskman1
    @myskman1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is my favorite BMW engine very cool

  • @eg2driver
    @eg2driver ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Nice engine, but there was a more powerful BMW NA engine, it was installed in the McLaren f1 back in the 90s, with 627hp if my memory serves.
    Great videos as always!

  • @nickloh912
    @nickloh912 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The line about PM in the beginning reminds me of something I heard once (not specifically regarding this engine) - they're great if you keep up on your maintenance, maintenance being a complete rebuild every 5 years or so...

    • @nickloh912
      @nickloh912 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not saying that PM isn't important of course, but sometimes people have a liberal definition of "maintenance"...

    • @FishFind3000
      @FishFind3000 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nickloh912 if you want a race engine it’s gonna need race engine maintenance.

  • @blown572hemi
    @blown572hemi ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the exhaust tunes these things sing

  • @509brown
    @509brown ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you so much...loved it! How many water pumps are under that car outside?

  • @jasonhaman4670
    @jasonhaman4670 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I, for one, miss you camming the crack caps loose, capping the cam cracks loose, and all other iterations thereof.
    Also, I see you've upgraded your perfect part distribution paths, to an express shipping carrier.

  • @nickmagee-brown739
    @nickmagee-brown739 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just to point out that BMW made the engine for the McLaren F1 completely in-house. That was a 620 odd hp naturally aspirated V12 I believe so technically that was the most powerful NA engine they ever made for a production car.

  • @tptrsn
    @tptrsn ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The alusil is actually just a high silicon aluminum alloy that the engine block is cast from. The last step of preparing the cylinders is a special honing/lapping process that reveals the silicon globules by eating away at some of the softer aluminum matrix between the globules. I found that the alusil bores are actually pretty resilient if given half a chance, and they don't wear as much as ferrous cylinder bores. I'd be tempted to grab some of the special sunnen honing paste for alusil bores, and have a go at those to see if they come around.

    • @habpar6531
      @habpar6531 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In theory it doesn't wear as much as traditional steel cylinders but in practice i don't believe it holds up. Stick a bore scope in any engine with 150,000km+ and you're likely to see scoring on the cylinder walls like this engine.

  • @DadBodGarage
    @DadBodGarage ปีที่แล้ว

    I always love the commentary. 😁

  • @Flies2FLL
    @Flies2FLL ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "It's perfect"
    Whipppp.........
    Nice!

  • @Flies2FLL
    @Flies2FLL ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm glad you did one of these, though I never thought I would see you take one apart since they are rare birds.
    Another rare bird on your channel is the Porsche M28 V8 engine.
    [hint...]
    VIDEO great!
    (oh wait, shit, I got that backwards; I was drinking PBR's tonight, sorry~)

  • @TestECull
    @TestECull ปีที่แล้ว +5

    3:35 It amazes me how you open one up with little more than a golden sheen to it and call it dirty, but I open one of my engines up and there's a 1/8 inch thick layer of jet black schmoo covering every single square inch of metal that doesn't rub against another piece of metal.
    I would KILL to have one of my 300s look like that after more than 3 or 4 PMs.
    Happily enough 300s generally don't give any fucks about the layer of schmoo covering every internal part, but yeah. This is NOT a dirty engine.

    • @nigelalderman9178
      @nigelalderman9178 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Had an old Merc, needed a head gasket at 450k miles. Always synthetic oil. Looked like brand new.

    • @TestECull
      @TestECull ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nigelalderman9178 I have no idea what either of my 300s got before I bought them. I got my eldest in 2007 with 200k already on it and it hadn't exactly been pampered for the first 32 years of its long life. Plus, it's carburetted, and those old engines are built floppy as fuck besides, so there's quite a bit floating down into the sump that generates sludge. Combine that with the fact that they were built back when dino lubes were still in common usage and voila: You have that layer of schmoo coating every surface.
      I feed it pure synthetic today, so that layer isn't building up like it used to, but that engine will never be clean until it gets torn totally to bits and steam cleaned as part of an overhaul process. It prolly won't get *as* dirty after that, but it will still get a lot dirtier than the engines Eric calls dirty and it won't give a single fuck about it.

  • @wilhelmschimko9
    @wilhelmschimko9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video Eric, Der Panzer motor ist kaputt !! ha ha

  • @doctwiggenberry5324
    @doctwiggenberry5324 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ps, they do those 20 steps with precision.

  • @jeffreymoore7729
    @jeffreymoore7729 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    amazing Intake ports, those are factory...whooah, i'd like to see how the engineers make the "golfball' dimples, Awesome job!

  • @curtismclendon4275
    @curtismclendon4275 ปีที่แล้ว

    6mm wratchet wrench with the correct Allen head bit usually works in tight spots

  • @DDE_ADDICT
    @DDE_ADDICT ปีที่แล้ว

    love this show

  • @gregoryweber7408
    @gregoryweber7408 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow that motor looked like a monster until you cracked it open and showed how it started to eat itself what a shame that lack of maintenance ruined another thanks for the education again sir

  • @picax8398
    @picax8398 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    the rod bearings are the unfortunate Achilles heel of these and the subsequent v8 in the e92. these engines sound amazing

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq ปีที่แล้ว +1

      MrElectrifyBF
      23 minutes ago
      @Phil Brutsche proper OCI definitely helps but it's not quite enough unfortunately. My 131k S65 has had 5k OCI its whole life and looked incredibly clean inside with almost no varnish at all but was still starting to show hints of copper on one or two of the bearings. The main contributor is the super tight clearances, factory RBs run ~0.0013in. Luckily there are aftermarket solutions that are ~0.0025in that have proven to last the life of the car if not much longer at the very least

  • @mahdishirzad896
    @mahdishirzad896 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Those intake ports gooddaaamnnn

    • @FishFind3000
      @FishFind3000 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It’s the small stuff that you don’t see is why these cars cost what they do. When I work on my own cars I see and find new things that I’m impressed with.

    • @budlanctot3060
      @budlanctot3060 ปีที่แล้ว

      I noticed that, too. Are the heads CNC ported?

  • @baitse7676
    @baitse7676 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You should ask BMW Nathan for advices!!

  • @khelangraham3071
    @khelangraham3071 ปีที่แล้ว

    Facts bring the manuals back.

  • @miketdavies
    @miketdavies ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If only Stop-Leak also made "Stop-Bearing" 😁
    "Rod bearing in a bottle! Fix that rattling E92/E60 for good!"

    • @lm7bird680
      @lm7bird680 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's basically what zinc additive is. It was originally designed to save flat tappet cams from wearing excessively

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq ปีที่แล้ว

      MrElectrifyBF
      23 minutes ago
      @Phil Brutsche proper OCI definitely helps but it's not quite enough unfortunately. My 131k S65 has had 5k OCI its whole life and looked incredibly clean inside with almost no varnish at all but was still starting to show hints of copper on one or two of the bearings. The main contributor is the super tight clearances, factory RBs run ~0.0013in. Luckily there are aftermarket solutions that are ~0.0025in that have proven to last the life of the car if not much longer at the very least

  • @arsenk-yan1202
    @arsenk-yan1202 ปีที่แล้ว

    this engine is a legend, we will never again see something like this, (for this price of course)

  • @JC-gw3yo
    @JC-gw3yo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As we are looking at a 4 valve engine, the Ford Coyote is a hell of a lot simpler engine... This is just more German over complication

  • @repairvehicle
    @repairvehicle ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When metal has discoloration it’s a sign of neglected engine, lack of maintenance

  • @glennshumaker2019
    @glennshumaker2019 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey Man another great teardown, I love German engineering and the way their assembled, I have watched some assembly videos. It seems like the engine was high mileage and possibly not taken care of the way it should have been. One thing is the cylinders I have read some stuff on Jaguar engines the early engines had no liners in the bores either, the coating was sprayed on the cylinders(if I'm not wrong), and you had to run a certain engine oil in them to keep from "wiping" the coating off, you know didnt work with the Vega, they were junk anyway. These engines are very complicated, and the tolerances are a lot tighter with no liners, well they are in the Jag, like every teardown you and Alvin do.....LOL Cheers

    • @glennshumaker2019
      @glennshumaker2019 ปีที่แล้ว

      @UCh1FChraAQeUrIPq3TcbrDA I have been watching your stuff for a while, I am definitely a gear head. I was a diesel mechanic for 26 years and have worked on so much stuff, I could go on and on, I even learn a few things from your viedos, engines have always interested me and how they are engineered, the Germans have the engineering thing down pat, I am amazed at some of the distruction that happens, like the Marauder engine, how the flock did that happen, the brick on the throttle ???.On the Avlin thing when you speed up the video your voice speeds up too, sounds like Alvin, but enjoty your stuff keep on doing them Glenn in West Virginia

  • @gabrielgilguitar5407
    @gabrielgilguitar5407 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been waiting for this one 😈😈😈

  • @DG-od4si
    @DG-od4si ปีที่แล้ว

    nice video, thanks

  • @anthonybertone2336
    @anthonybertone2336 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Never really been a fan of BMW Mercedes or Audi,
    But I’ll love watching you tear one apart,

    • @Cynsham
      @Cynsham ปีที่แล้ว

      Love the cars but hate the whole "German Engineering" aspect that makes them cost an arm and a leg to maintain

    • @lieutenantdan8170
      @lieutenantdan8170 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      As far as reliability Mercedes is the best

    • @FishFind3000
      @FishFind3000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Cynsham but it makes for a excellent driving car