50mm f1.2 Shoot Out! Nikon Canon Sigma Sony Compared!
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That 50mm f1.2 Art is a perfect example of why Canon and Nikon currently don’t allow Sigma to release their FF lenses on their mirrorless platforms. Smaller, lighter , much cheaper but just as good.
As a long time Canon shooter I have to admit this certainly rings true. Also Matt is right about what happened to high quality affordable 50s in every brand?
I think Sony while allowing Sigma to release their F1.2 lenses but often delay Sigma release of new F1.2 lenses, Sigma often of their F1.2 comes out years or months later than Sony F1.2
@@jliang70Sigma released their 35mm f1.2 way before Sony released their 35mm f1.4 GM, Sigma released their mirrorless 85mm f1.4 while Sony haven’t updated theirs.
@@noctwiceNikon, Sony and Sigma have very good quality 50/55mm lenses at f1.8/f2 but if you want f1.2 glass that has very fast AF, sharp from wide open across the frame it’s going to cost money and rightfully so.
Ive sent three sigmas back for incompatibilities with L mount and Sony, I wont be buying them again
As always great video! I would like to see 85mm 1.2-1.4 shootout comparison video.
1:13 that dude in the wife beater is my spirit animal
Great comparison as always, been following your channel for several years. Keep up the good work
Sad to see much less people on the street......
Matt, all due respect, but:
1. The number of aperture blades doesn’t affect shooting wide open, nor does it affect the cat’s eye effect.
2. The cat’s eye test is misleading. In the photo shot with Sigma you placed the bokeh balls in the middle of the frame, where cat’s eye effect is usually not pronounced. All other shots have them in the upper part of the frame where we usually do see cat’s eye effect. I’m not sure if you did it on purpose, hopefully not.
Sometimes I don’t understand why camera reviewers with several years of experience make such simple mistakes. It’s not okay.
I just made a similar comment regarding framing. And I was thinking the same thought you ended with 😂
I totally agree on your 1st remark and can add to it that the cats-eye effect when shooting wide open (so no matter the amount of blades, the aperture will be perfectly circular since they're fully retracted) is mostly caused by the diameter of the front element. It's because the circular shape of the ball (that is formed by the aperture) is cut off by the circular shape of the edge of the front element (not to be confuse by the filter tread, since this is not always @ the edge of the glass). That's why the cats-eye effect is more pronounced @ the edge of the frame. The effect on the shape of the bokeh-ball can actually be demonstrated by taking pictures trough a piece of aluminum foil or black paper with a shape cut into it (for instance a heart). This was a popular trick a while ago and transformed the bokehballs into (heart)shapes.
I love the rendition of the Nikon a little better, slightly softer overall. I got one used at half price as I agree with Matt, the prices are high...
Thanks for supplying the sample images; it's gives a strong indication on how the autofocus performs on these camera systems. Also the "colour science" in the Sony images is impressive and has come on a long way
The model is stunning
It's a Matt Granger video...(I have nothing against Matt)
@@ChickenMeister84 no shit Sherlock
I’m a Canon shooter but overall I like the Nikon rendition the best. Looks crisper, better colour not cool nor orangy. Bokeh is good to my taste. It it’s a monster size and price.
Same. I don't care about balls and blades and pores, only rendering. So do our customers and non photographers.
Cool images from various 50mm lenses. Great video!
Like you say, no reason to switch brands over these results. And based on the excited client reaction during an impromptu head shot session with the Nikon, I have even less reason to worry about the differences. Plenty of pop and dimension relative to close backgrounds. It’s a fine lens and I don’t let myself fret about the size or weight.
Thank you for the nice comparison ☺️
I love my Nikkor Z 50mm f1.2S, except one thing - size/weight🤦hope Nikon will make some version 2 in the future, with more compact design. I even don't mind if clinically clean rendering will be a bit sacrefised...😮
Other rhan that it is amazing lens...😊😊
I love the filmic look you get from shooting a shallow 50 the way you do. Cara on the streets of HK reminds me so much of Cherie Chung in Winners and Sinners 👌
Gorgeous model.
My all time favourite lens and aperture to do portraits and other photojournalism stuff. 50mm is just perfect all arounder, you can keep your distance but still be pretty close to the subject.
5:23 Nice photo Mr. G! Perfect for 1.2 lenses.
The Sigma 50mm f1.2 is amazing on my Leica SL3
Another great review. I sorry If I missed it but what body was used with the Sigma Lens? You mentioned a couple times the cost of these lenses. I wonder how would they compare with a 50mm F1.8 or f1.2. F series lens.
When there is so little difference in the quality of the lenses, I will always look at weight and size plus price, and choose that as the most important, it's as simple as that ! ! !
Good comparison, great video
Matt Granger is my HERO! Living the Dream!!!
Good review
Hey I bought a Sony A6100.. and I have a Nikon AF-P 70-200mm lying around… is there any mount that I can use to utilise that lens?
I have the 50 1.2 Nikon for about 2 years now , it's the lense I use the most, maybe 70% of the time.
Love it!!
Like others said though , if Nikon could make a more comparct design it would go a long way!!
It's so heavy in fact I always compare other lenses to it , to understand how heavy the future lense would be.
Even the 135 Plean feels light compared to this , still it's a fantastic .
Of course I won't be mad if Sigma bring that 50 1.2 to Nikon
I just use my Sigma 50mm f1.4 DG HSM ART adapted from EF mount to Sony E mount via the MC-11 adapter. Its a lens I know and trust. But I'd dream about the Sony 50mm f1.2 GM one day.
I seem to remember that a 50mm prime was more money the faster it got. I have Nikon's in 1.8, 1.4 and not sure for that cost I would get the 1.2. The 1.4 was about 3 times the cost of the 1.8. The fact I did not hear you spouting some new revolutionary coating or image stabilization in lens, cemented that in my mind.
I think considering the extreme increase in lens performance, the price is acceptable. Especially if you consider the manufacturing processes which are needed, to achieve such results. You can still get nifty fifties today for comparable prices as back then (only not from first party manufacturers). But these lenses are extremely high performing and therefore the price is okay. You just need to decide if that performance is needed for you.
Can you tell us what are your videomaker setup? what camera and lenses? very nice resolution, very clean video for 4k, doesnt seem like shot on a dslr, more like a RED camera.
Asking for advice i have a sony a9 mark1. Here in japan a used 50 1.2 gm goes for around the same price as a brand new sigma 50 f1.2. which would be a better choice? I am planning to upgrade from my fe 50 f1.8. I also have an old adapted zeiss 50 f1.4 alpha mount len but the focus is a bit slow.
As Nikon Z mount owner I think the Nikon 50 1.2 is a great lens but so is the Sigma and it is a lot smaller, lighter and not so crazy expensive,
I wish the Nikon was like that and unfortunetly Nikon will probably never let Sigma do a Z mount version,
also really enjoyed seeing your gorgeous model.
I agree Matt. The prices have gotten out of hand. A nifty fifty for $2K? Count me out. Is it really necessary? And the size!!! I just need a walk around lens that doesn't draw attention.
Admittedly, I have not checked out all TH-camrs who review cameras and lenses but I find that your reviews are easy to understand and very balanced. I can honestly say that these reviews have influenced my buying decisions more than other reviewers.
Thanks for the feedback. I am so glad to hear you find them helpful!
Nice and informative video. Thank you.
Have you ever tried the Sigma 1.2 in E mount on Nikon with one of the recent E to Z adapters? This combo would be less expensive and much lighter. The only question would be the image quality and the performance.
I’m actually testing this currently!
good video, very informative, you are very great, excellent comparison, I wanted to see the files you mention but the page cannot be found
In the description my friend. Page is working.
@@mattgranger If I updated and I have looked at the files, the price difference is enormous, I use Nikon, I have sold my 50. 1.8 and bought the 85mm, I must say that I am happier with the 85mm than with the 50, thank you brother for your time to show these results, a hug from Spain
In which picture profile u shoot.? In Nikon Z8 it's Showing Vivid picture profile.
Interesting that the A9 with its lower megapixel holds up well against the other camera bodies. Regarding the lenses, is it true that the aperture blades are completely out of the way when wide open? If so I’d think the blade count/shape is not a factor when comparing bokeh balls wide open. Anyway like the sigma for its size weight and price. Another great video, Matt, I always look forward to your videos.
24mp Is more than enough.
Thank you for the video. Curious why you would use a Sony A9III to do portraits instead of an A1 or A7RV with a higher resolution sensor like the Canon EOS R5 or Nikon 7II or Z8. To me I would align sensor resolution to ~45/50 Mpixels for these type of sessions. Just my two cents. Take care.
Because I don’t own any Sony cameras, and that’s the only one I had access to at the time.
I have the 7Artisans 1.8 50mm with Z mount. $205.50. Fits my budget and I like it. Not doing any professional stuff so great for me.
Great models
I shoot Nikon and have always loved fast lenses, I still have my AIS 50mm 1.2 for a certain look. But I agree, the prices for the Nikon and Canon 1.2's are just crazy. I bought the 50 and 85 mm f1.8 S lenses slightly used for a fair price when I first went mirrorless and they are fantastic and probably the right price. I've shot with the 1.2's and yes they have a certain look but to be honest they are not worth it to me. The 85mm 1.8 in particular is amazing in design, not being super sharp between 1.8 2.2 with good falloff to the edges, perfect for portraits but by 2.8 and up super sharp indeed if you need more DOF in focus. I love that lens. The 50mm f 1.8 is also super sharp and just a workhorse... I'd like to try the Sigma if they made a native Z lens. Also the Nikon Z natives seem to have less FB so great for video. Thanks for uploading Matt, interesting comparison.
What cameras were used to shoot these??
All these cameras, and lenses are so much now... I doubt I'd buy another F/1.2 lens, the price premium over the F/1.4 is so hard to justify.. Right now, the only lens I enjoy using, is a 23mm F/2.0 and that is because it is stuck to the front of the Fuji X100 VI, and that camera is so much fun. I don't want to use anything else :)
Behemoth and Super Behemoth; love it...
Yeah the prices are getting a bit ridiculous. Good review! Definitely like the looks of the Sigma.
Great comparison! Use Nikon body and Megadap E to Z adapter to get Sony on two systems or just allow Sigma for a cheaper choice.
No, I don’t work for them or get paid, I’m just a disgruntled A1 owner who bought a Z8 and Zf to enjoy a company who cares about us (until something breaks!! - now I just need Nikon to offer warranties like Sony does :))
I'm pretty stuck on the Nikon 50mm 1.8, I just really like the way it renders. it's a great lens and the handling is perfect.
it’s possible in 2024 to produce a 50mm lens for mirrorless SMALL PORTABLE ENJOYABLE like the old 50mm nikon manual or small lightweight like the 1.8G? I can’t believe that the 50mm lens in these days is that big :(
keep your safe
weird how the old ef 50 1.2 L has no cat eye but the new rf does lol
As a Nikon Z9 user, like yourself, I am biased perhaps and see that in low-light conditions, the Nikkor looks much the best of the bunch. But I am biased. I am not going to go out and buy an expensive Canon simply to try out a 50 1.2! Not when the Nikkor looks that good, especially in the natural low-light situations you show. It's good that you do these comparison video's but I would imagine that Sony users and Canon users feel exactly the same way (except they might feel a few envious feelings about the Nikkor glass). One take-away from the video is perhaps spacing the lens out to give more space to the elements seems to be beneficial for the Nikon lens, and having less aperture blades seems to lead to what I feel is more pleasant (not sure how you spell) bouket? I have a Nikkor 50 1.4 D that I use on a Nikon D810, I am quite happy with what that gives me. I don't often use it at 1.4, but in aperture priority mode, on a reasonably sunny day, it is suggesting 1/5000th at 64 ISO.... Sorry, got sidetracked there, good video, very pretty model, good work.
As a Sony shooter, I can definitely tell you that I've got absolutely zero envy. On the contrary, the superiority of the Sony glass compared to both Nikon and Canon is one major benefit of the system. We get smaller lenses with much better af motors that produce the same image quality. The 50s in this video are the best example of that. As a Sony shooter, I get access to both, the best lens (which is the GM) and the cheapest lens (the sigma) while you're stuck with the worst (heaviest, biggest, slowest focusing) of the bunch with no alternatives available to you...
@@youknowwho9247 Sorry, but who asked you to chime in? Me envious of Sony? You keep telling yourself that, maybe one day you'll lie to yourself enough that you might actually believe it. I care not one wit. My lenses focus as fast as I need them to, I don't know who told you Nikon glass is slow? Keep your ill-informed nonsense to yourself. Fool.
I am a Canon shooter as well and the 1.2 never made sense to me. When I bought my 1.4 , I researched the differences between the 3 50mms that Canon offers. To me and other reviewers, the quality was minute. Yes there are differences but not $1,800 worth. Also the 1.4 is massively lighter/smaller.
The variables of sensors and processing make "renditions" hard to compare. We are not likely to change brands over one lens. I have the Sony and I appreciate that it is already big enough, and the size of the Nikon is tending to the bizarre. I agree about the cost of things, although they are becoming increasingly sophisticated and complex compared to my first 50mm f1.4 Asahi Pentax. Always like your presentations.
I've never noticed this about the Nikon Z 50mm f1.2 until this video but I wonder if it was originally developed as a F mount lens? It really reminds me of Sigma DSLR lenses made for Sony E Mount where they just built in the adapter. This Nikkor also looks like it has an adapter built in. Gotta wonder as they did not ever have a Fmount f1.2 AF lens (though that AI-S was a wonderful lens for MF)
No it wasn’t designed for F
@@mattgranger its one big mofo whatever the case 😆 Nice review Matt.
Nikon prioritized eliminating focus breathing, vignette and distortion. The Sony and Sigma are smaller but both have more vignetting, weird type of distortion, and more focus breathing. Nikon decided to correct those things by design. Sony/Sigma decided to correct it by software.
Being a current Nikon shooter I agree with the prices so far, I want an 1.2 lens but these prices are holding me back. I just recently got the plena but have slight buyers remorse because the weight and price of the lens.
And the Plena is relatively cheap and light - compared to some!
@@mattgranger that makes me feel a little better lol, still trying to get comfortable on the prices of lenses. Btw thank you for your informative video.
Love the prices per pound comparison 😂
The previous thumbnail was much more alluring to your video Matt!
Which ones are you comparing? Which did you prefer?
I’m trying out a new feature TH-cam has where you can upload 3 thumbs and it tests out which works best!
@@mattgranger the one with the 3 portrait shots side by side was far more eye catching for me.
@@mattgranger the current one is really low contrast between the text and the wall or fence behind it, it's visually lost at small display sizes.
all my setup cost around 2k so just the lens and not the best focal lenght... no
I use afs 50mm 1.8G and its the more used in my apsc, but in my ff I use same line 85mm wich is similar focal lenght. In both I get same results so its not about the sensor but the lenses you use.
The problem is f1.2 is only avaliable to the newest mirrorless, so if you want the most bokeh you could only paying a lot for it.
I think the companies are enjoying a golden age of getting the most money from the consumers, with hope that will end in a couple of years with a market full of used parts
Nikon, giving you RGB color is perfect in the full sensor but it is not compare the medium format level.
What camera was the video shot on? This episode looks great.
Fx3 and z9
@@mattgranger ah I see, a proper setup, well done.
I think you should compare the Nikon f1.2 with the f1.8, which is less than 1/3 of the price. Also, do you know if there is a 1.4 on the road map?
I’ve done that comparison it in the past. There is no roadmap these days.
Ultimate 50mm Showdown - Nikon F vs Z
th-cam.com/video/DBJ0b0FR8_A/w-d-xo.html
I used to think that the cost of lenses from big manufacturers compensates for the possible cheapness of their cameras... Sigma does not have a significant line of cameras, though. But in fact, the cost of cameras has also become incredibly high with the advent of mirrorless systems. We all probably became dentists.
I love the sigma 35mm f1.2 its amazing i prefer it over a 50mm
I feel you, the 50 1.2 lives on my a7rv, but the 35 is just a flawless perfect lens. A little pushing it for the type of portraits I do, I prefer the 70-200ii for focal length, the 50 just always feels spot on thought. It never lacks
Im also on the gfx, the 120, 110 and 80 are incredible. Its weird though wider focal lengths just feel off to me on mf because of the aspect ratio, so I usually always use FF for wider portrait shots
Ridiculous prices and the Nikon one should have some other advantages to make up for it´s size. I´m waiting for a chinese, cheaper version or a Sigmron Nikon Z-version, and until then my old Takumar 50/1,4 with radioactive yellow lenses is my absolute favorite😀
Nice review man. You said some of the lenses shot wider and were not true 50's. Is it possible the Nikon could simply just be a 55mm?
Possible but I don’t think so
I think it might be focus breathing. The Sony breathes like it’s a zoom lens. That’s the reason why the Nikon is much larger.
Matt, what kind of camera harness are you using?
geni.us/josC1tl
@@mattgranger Thank you so much :) Nikon lens looking goood :)
Fact is in a blind test nobody knows which photo is taken with which combo/brand. So. The answer is Just use what you most happy with. Shoot the brand you most happy with..
Look at the picture on 11:50 and pause it. That shot looks artistic straight out of a magazine or a movie clip. It has a natural look about and it’s neutral. The skin tones are amazing while the other lens lean towards the orange yellow but hey if you like that kinds of cartoon look just use A.I. 😂 jk but for true to life photos sooc I would most definitely go with the canon. Imo 👍🏽
I like my S 50 1,8. Why not compare it to Sigma's 1.2 ... it is under half the pice (we might be very surprised).
this is an f1.2 shootout.
Someone needs to come out with a 50mm f1.2 that i can hold!!!!!
Sigma is the best.
It just bums me out on why NIKON refuses to let SIGMA in into their Z system, just a testament on how good the Art lenses are
better than native glass?
There are always compromises when making optics. The problem is that Nikon knows that most people won't pay the price for perfection. And the sigma lens is virtually the same, for many eyes.
Definitely the 1.2 race was doomed since the beginning. I think the new 35mm 1.4 (Nikon) will finally start a new era of common sense.
@@GordoFriman I've always paid for better glass...The sigma to me does not look the same... just like voigtlander and a genuine summilux does not look the same to me either maybe it's in my head.
Thank you for the raw examples, i was thinking getting Nikon but now i like Canon R3 colors, even tho i have R5 but vs Z6II i find Nikon better. I wish you could have also uploaded raw files indoor in that temple with lights
TBH, while (emotionally) I would love a 50/1.2 I am super happy with the results I get from my Z 50/1.8 S, that weighs just over 400g and is not so big. Of course there is always a trade off, I shoot more at f2 and 2.8, but I like the results and at sub A$1,000, what's not to like 😎
Great. Enjoy! I also love the 1.8
I think talking about color and using auto wb is very dangerous.
But you give us the files for trying out. thanks a lot
Why didn't you also include the Lumix S ProX 50 f/1.4 and the Leica Summilux SL 50 F/1.4 Asph. ? It would have been interesting to check the behaviour of L-mount lenses.
Cara? Do you want to steal the scene from Markus...
But they are not 1.2 lenses.
Not f1.2
I agree with the f/1.2 test. It's not that there's that much difference between 1.2 and 1.4. Of course if the L-mount lens had been at 2.8 the difference is huge.
What camera did you use for b roll shots?
I think z9
@@mattgranger the color grading is really nice, thought it was sony with s log
I got a Nikkor 50mm 1.2 Ais for $350 . You could put it your pocket. No brainer!
The sigma is unmatched for value. Observation, there’s less cats eye going towards center of the frame. The art image had lights more towards center of the frame vs the others. So the framing made the sigma bokeh look more circular. Canon seemed to perform worse across all images for that characteristic. Nikon best. The build quality and lousy af motors of the canon is why I no longer own it.
There’s a lot of comments about size. The reason is directly due to design goals. Nikon prioritized eliminating/reducing focus breathing, vignette and distortion. The Sony and Sigma are smaller but both have more vignetting, weird type of distortion, and more focus breathing. Nikon decided to correct those things by design. Sony/Sigma decided to correct it by software. The canon focus breathing is significant and it’s more like a 1.4 lens for how much light is let in. Obviously the Nikon cons are weight and size.
"When did 50mm lenses become $1500 - 2000 instead of couple of hundred dollars?"
2006, Canon 50mm f/1.2 L, $1300 USD. This would be around $2000 today.
Not relevant to this video but all has gone quiet on TH-cam regarding the Nikon Z6III. I sense an imminent announcement and flood of pre-prepared hands-on videos 😅
I am using the Sony body. So there are just two options for me with Sony, Sigma or Sony. On the Sigma primes I feel their build quality is better than Sony. The other lens around 50mm focal length I like to try is the Fujifilm 55mm F1.7.
Cara really is delightful ☺️ (my guess is she's filipina?) and a great comparison ....ofc i'm biased towards Sigma 🤩
Cara is wonderful indeed. She is Thai - she is actually one of the models in my artistic portraiture course One Week in Bangkok! linktr.ee/mattgranger
@@mattgranger oh ok thanks Matt and that's interesting i'll check it out ☺️👍🏻
canon is noticeably greener
This is why I like Nikon
Why?
The canon pics all look a bit greenish …
still like the Nikon style best … to me it’s the most neutral and natural
The Sigma was walking! I thought the Canon was worst of the bunch.
The Canon was a bit yellowish.
They all are toooo dear 4 me
No one is talking about Fuji :(
I include them in apsc and MF discussions.
Why don‘t reviewers include 400+% zoomed in views when reviewing lenses in a YT video? It‘s really beyond me. 100% is irrelevant in a YT review!
I only zoom to 100% when checking sharpness. I suppose you could check more zoomed in more, but I don’t want to see pixels.
Because TH-cam compression sucks - grab the files and check for yourself.
Sigma looks better
Sad that influencers able to complain about size and weight only before new models on the way. never trust them
I’ve consistently mentioned the size and weight… and I also own the Nikon. Generalising and making things up, doesn’t make your point valid
Nikon size redonkulous. I’ll take the Sigma
Sold that Sony GM 50mm 1.2, sorry I did Ill buy it again, cheap from the far east. Nikon lenses can be far too big its a real turn off.
Canon has character and sharper imo…
The Nikon is definitely overpriced. So is the canon. I say that because keeping them that SIZE is really inconsiderate
I'd say that the Nikon lens is definitely the worst of the bunch, not only is it more expensive, but it's also way larger and heavier.
By images it seemed best to me
Nikon is the softest.
All over priced