Feedback: there are those of us that are primarily listening to these videos while we do other things (cleaning, crafting, yes even driving). When the auto drops entirely mute and you introduce the questions as a title card (ex @2:44) it means we have to find the remote or unlock the phone, then rewind the video just to see what the question was. I do really like having the title cards, but could you please read the questions in your voice along with the screen cards? Thanks!
Agree! Not a big fan of the title cards. I always appreciated the candid ‘chat’ at the computer type of videos. The title cards always seem to be a weird deviation and weird moment of silence from that candid, friendly chat and makes the video seem more unnecessarily structured. Just my opinion.
I've watched about a thousand reviews of the Z8 and no one mentioned backlit buttons! No one! So +1 point now to purchase this camera in addition to a tiny Z6
The prodigal son returns! Welcome back to the Nikon Family! I really don’t know about the other brands but Nikon is very good at supplying updates to their cameras in the form of firmwares. I have the z9 and love it. I have smaller hands and at first I thought maybe it is too big. I have become so accustomed to using it I don’t notice it anymore. One difference between the z9 and z8 is an extra function button. The battery is more robust too. I do shoot some fast action genres and with the Delkin Black Diamond CF Express card it seems like the high frame rate is endless. I have not hit a buffer limit yet. Again happy shooting with the Z8!
Any modern camera is better than what I shot magazine covers with 35 years ago! I’ve used an R5 and R6 for the last few years, and various Nikons and Mamiya cameras before that. Now I’m enjoying the Hasselblad X2D. They’re all amazing. I’d argue it’s not even about the photos. It’s about enjoying the outdoors with creativity and intention.
I've had my z8 since Christmas and I love it. I so haven't used it for landscape yet. It's great for action and wildlife. It's such a versatile camera. Another good reason for buying a z8 is because Nikon is giving great support with firmware updates.
I really think Z8 will become very important in Nikons history, it is such a beautifull piece of gear...you can also say the same for 24-120 f4 S lens, it produces such good images. Great from Nikon
Just bought this last week. It’s a full circle in my case. Nikon - Canon - Fuji - Lumix - Sigma FP - Nikon 😅. It’s an amazing piece of machinery. I’m not a photographer but the photos out of Z8 are astonishingly beautiful 😍. Sharp and the colours are so great (Rich Tone Portrait profile).
@@X3ABnewyeah, Nikon ergos are nice, though Canon isn't that much worse, Sony isn't very great unless you want very small lenses only and have a light setup
This is one of those feel-good, but incorrect statements. Brand absolutely matters. Some of them don't matter much between them but a Phase One is absolutely not comparable to an Olympus.
Another great video Mark. The Nikon Z 100-400 and 24-120 are the only two lenses I own. You didn't mention it but are probably aware of how close you can focus with these lenses. I believe it's like .38x for both or there abouts. That was a game-changer for me!
I don't think that anyone needs to justify any brand that they use, period. That will be the brand that offers what they want. All the main companies offer brilliant systems, each offer certain features missing in others. I shoot a Nikon Z8 and Z6ii mainly because I've been shooting Nikon for decades, know the system and have some legacy lenses that work fantastically on the Z system still. It's a brilliant system with really fine files but also missing some features of other brands, especially with the Z6ii's auto focus system, but we have a wonderful choice of lenses on the Z mount plus thousands of F mount ones that are fun to use. Choose what you want, who cares. It's the images that count.
exactly, Use the system you are most comfortable with. Their specs are all close enough not to be able to say one is clearly better. I stay with canon just because it's what I strated with so now I can zoom around that body without thinking. camera's are only the tool , photographers are the talent.
Exactly i shoot canon and i jsut cant stand nikon folks comming over telling me i chose the wrong camera system…strangely i dont get thtat from fuji or sony folks but anyway. There is no best. Just the best for YOU
As pro for 35yrs using Nikon, Bronica (Should have use Hasselblad), and 4X5 Sinar (the Rolls Royce) I had the opposite to what one person experienced here. I had Canon people say I'd made the wrong choice. These were always keen amateurs. Myself and my many professional colleagues never disputed the camera choice. We knew it was the person behind the camera that made the difference.
I don't think there's a need to justify, but it can be interesting to hear people explain why they chose a system, especially when they are starting from almost zero. I thought it was really telling that mostly it came down to ergonomics and buttons than any stats it has, and to a lesser degree lenses.
I just switched to the Z8 from Fujifilm and I’m totally loving it!! I would be really interested in your landscape settings on the Z8, if at all possible.
The R5 has a sensor curtain to avoid dust on the sensor while changing lenses. The disadvantage is that the curtain is not a shield and actually more sensitive for mechanical damage than the sensor. I do like the Z8 and would buy it today but after 40 Canon years and 8 lenses including the 1.2-2.8 lenses changing system is very expensive.
If you mostly have EF lenses, you can get a megadap adaptor and you can use your EF lenses on the Z8 like if they were native lenses. I habe a R5, and unlike you, I want to have them both, since I only have EF lenses and 1 RF lens 😅
So does my R6II. The idea that this is the deciding factor is just.. weird. And to answer Mark's question about "why don't all cameras have this?" It's because most other MILCs still have a mechanical shutter, and can use THAT as their sensor cover. The Z8/9 just added a new mechanical gadget to make up for the fact that they don't have a shutter to do the job naturally.
@@zakiradi450I shoot Z9 and godox strobes. No issues other than the fairly slow sync speed of 1/160th. Officially it's 1/200 but now and again you get a black band at 1/200
Welcome to the happy Nikon Z8 owners club and I'm sure there are happy owners of other brand and model cameras and lenses too ,no problem, I love mine too which I have owned for about a year, if you want to use the full potential of it you need to use the CFe type B memory card but for landscape that is not needed. That 24-120 f4S lens is great too and my favorite for landscape and generally outdoors , it also is a very good macro lens if you want to use for that because it focuses about 5 or 6 inches from the lens at 120 mm , I am looking forward to seeing more of your experiences with these.
Welcome to the Z8 club! Enjoy your new camera and lenses. It is the best do all camera on the photo market at this time. Maybe the Canon R5II will leap frog past it? There are no bad cameras in this age of technology. Most of us stay with the brand we started with after investing in lenses.
it amazes me people still argue about camera brands. At this point it’s simply personal preference. There’s so little difference now and no one will get better photos by choosing one camera brand over another.
I have been asked “what camera brand should I buy?” My answer is “none of the manufacturers make a bad camera, they all make different cameras!” “Some may make a camera that fits your hands better, some may have menus that you prefer, some may have menus you don’t get on with, try some and see which you prefer!”
I think the reason people argue is because they have a lot of money wrapped up in a particular brand and want to think they made the right decision. So when their brand is knocked they have to go to defence.
@@MarkDenneyPhoto It doesn’t seem like that long ago that I refused to transition to digital cameras because you could always tell a digital photo from a “real” one, and they just didn’t look nearly as good. Now even the phone you carry around in your pocket takes incredible photos.
Great choice Mark, I am sure you will enjoy this system. I have the same setup and I only have good words about it. Nikon really nailed it with this camera and the lenses are awesome too!!!
In addition to all the positive reasons you mentioned for owning a Z8 or Z9, I really like the way I can be in bird tracking mode, then, at the touch of one button, I can switch to small, single-point focus. Touch another button and I'm now in crop sensor mode. In video mode, even with a prime lens, I can zoom in by 200% without any visible loss of resolution. Maybe other cameras can do all this, but I like the Nikon set up.
What you find out..... is exactly why I have the Z 8. I do landscape, wildlife, sport and car racing, airshows, some macro and I can do everything perfect with the Z 8. I bought it as a kit with the 24-120 f 4 and the FTZ adapter from B&H in May 2023. Almost never have to deal with sensor dust. The 300 mm f 2,8 VR F mount works great with all 3 Nikon TC on this lens, Also the 70-200mm 2,8 FL. Set up and custom setting took a while to set up to my best use. Had the D3, D3x, D810, D 500 in combination with the D850 before. I use about 80% the 24-120 on the camera with stunning result. The only what I miss ... not autofocus with my D lenses. 24 mm tilt and shift and the 200mm f 4 macro.
Thank you for your content. I am thinking about switching from A6500 to a FF and miss my old Nikon (7100) a lot especially the two rings placement for aperture and speed. Another point for Nikon. Thanks again.
I'm 6'4" with gorilla hands and started my career shooting Nikon film cameras and then their digitals from d70 to D2X to d800...LOVE NIKON, but now I shoot Sony a7RV with battery grip and added thumb grip and it feels great in the hand
Welcome to my neck of the woods. I have been taking pictures since 1986 and have been married to Nikon since and to my wife since 1984, hahaha. No disrespect to any of the other brands, they make awesome products as well. I am not a professional but have 2 x Z9s (while heavy) and love them. Best wishes and keep up the good work.
I started with my dad’s Kodak 35mm film camera that he got back in 1964. I used in the 70s during high school, and then in college my mom got me my own film camera - the Canon Rebel. I used it for the next 20 years until I couldn’t get film really anymore. Flash forward to 2019 or so when I decided to get a camera again. I got a DSLR, naturally a Canon Rebel T7. Very happy with it - except for the fact it doesn’t take an external mic. I works for me and my needs. Cost effective, great color and lens options, not too heavy. If $ was no object would I have a different camera for every task? Nah, I travel light.
Once again, great video Mark in describing reasons and answering questions. Ive seen some comments about it doesnt matter which gear you use as long as you get good results, and i totally disagree. You brought it out, but it really is almost a oart of your body in the sense that the camera has to "fit" perfectly, and have a menu system that allows you to make quick decision and changes. It also has to make you "enjoy" the photography journey, which you also stated. So, i would definitely say that the brand matters. Are they all fantastic camera's? Yes, but one is "family"..😊. Nikon is family for me. Thanks for the video Mark!
There's something irresistibly satisfying about cradling the Z8 with the 24-120 or 14-24, or really any lens you choose. It's the perfect mix of size, heft, and balance-a marvel of technology that just clicks with me. Aesthetic appeal? Check. Feels like a dream? Absolutely.
The sensor shield is great just make sure the rear element of the lens your putting on is dust free & if you want to be really careful about dust check the rear lens cap before you put it on when you take the lens off, takes seconds to do but can make a difference.
If you are a wildlife or bird photographer you definitely need to use CF Express cards to utilize the speed of the Z8/Z9 cameras. And you will never hit the end of the buffer. And transfering files to ssd drives is a lot faster. The latter point is probably the only advantage for landscape only photogs.
Because of the sensor shield/closed shutter, I bought my R5 a few years back. At that time all other sensors were exposed and I don’t like that. Had the Nikon Z8 been out 3 years ago, I would have stuck with Nikon. Congrats on the new camera system, that is always very exciting.
All of the major brands have great cameras and great lenses. I've tried them all and have had great results. The Sony A1 has the senor shield and that's the camera I went with a year ago but honestly you can't go wrong with any of these cameras. It's about being in the right place at the right time and doing the leg work and homework to find great photos. And sometimes a little luck too.
nice choice 🙂 I shoot both Nikon and Fuji and love both. My Fuji system is bang up to date (X-H2) while on Nikon I love shooting a vintage D700 and 105 macro. 12MP is enough and the look of the images the older equipment affords is just gorgeous. Only issue is remembering which way to screw the lenses on and off!!
Just as a counterpoint, a noted side effect of an electronic-only sensor on the Z8 is that the dynamic range is slightly compromised, which is a tradeoff for the benefits. I've seen some tests claim they're "basically equal" but I don't think I've ever seen a test have the Z8 come out on top. DR is just not a selling feature of an electronic-only shutter. It probably doesn't matter, but it's not a selling feature.
I have both, Nikon Z8 with permanently attached Nikkor Z 24-120mm S lens for walk around photography and Nikon Z7II with permanently attached ultrawide Z Viltrox 16mm f/1.8 lens for architecture and classic autos photography. Both cameras and lens are fantastic
Canon all the way for me. Cheap EF L lenses on the used market. Low cost R7 for birds and wildlife. Speedbooster makes my EF 500 L F4 a 550mm F2.8 equivalent. Canon has no issues with dust on the sensor. AF and ergonomics just works . When I win the lottery I will look at RF glass and a R5 ii. But I will use this R7 on birds for a long time. Just love it.
I've been using nikkor 24-120 lenses for years so buying into the z system i purchased the z 24-120 lens and it is superb. I have looked at Canon and Sony too but the Nikon system seems a more natural fit and easy to evolve to newer cameras from any older Nikon digital camera.
Good overview, Mark. Enjoy your new body. I do own the Z9, it is great, a wonderful hybrid body. I might still get a z8 as well, but at the moment, having so much fun with the Zf as a travel-body, especially when paired with the Voigtländer MZ z-mount lenses. Let’s see if I do grab a Z8 as well for those high-res landscape shots during travels.
A tip for you with big hands; Smallrig's L-bracket gives just a little extra room for the hand, and it's lighter than the RRS, I think. And instead of the Arca Swiss rails you put on your telephoto lenses, make e.g. Kirk Photo a lens foot with built-in Arca Swiss, and it's again a lighter solution. By now you are probably used to using that index finger to change the aperture, so I think it is convenient to use the lens' control ring for exposure compensation. But perhaps you have already considered those solutions.
Thanks for another thoughtful video. I don’t think you can go wrong with any of the top tier cameras these days. I use the Sony A7RV, and I love it for landscape. These are my thoughts: 1) Sony A7RV has a shutter-closed-when-camera-is-turned-off mode that helps prevent dust from getting on the sensor. I don’t know if it is different from the “sensor shield.” I suspect Nikon’s is a bit more sturdy, since the shield/shutter is only used for long exposure noise reduction. Nikon does not use a shutter under normal shooting situations. 2) I clearly experience a difference between my 50 megapixel A1 and my 60 megapixel A7RV images when cropping. The A1 is more versatile, but the A7RV is always my go to for landscape. I doubt I would experience a difference between 45 and 50 megapixel. I’m sure that’s a personal preference - I am very nit-picky. 3) I suspect the Z8 is better for low light at 100%, and may have a bit more dynamic range because of the larger photosite area, but I don’t find the A7RV to be lacking, even for night photography. 4) I really like the Nikon lens lineup. The zoom ranges are well suited for landscape - I am sometimes envious of the 24-120 lens. Canon also has a good lineup also with the 14-35, 24-105, and 100-500. That said, I do like my Sony 20-70 and 70-200 MACRO, a super lightweight pair, (or 20-70 and 100-400 pairing) very much! I rarely need wider than 20mm. I do wish Sony had a 14-24 or a 14-35, with front filters, instead of a 16-35. I feel the 12-24 GM is too big, with a bulbous front element, and the 12-24 f/4 just does not have the IQ. I sometimes just throw in a 14mm with my 20-70 and 70-20/100-400 pair. 5) I also wish Sony had a top screen, and more programmable buttons. 6) Finally, I am 6’-5” with XXLarge hands and I’ve never found the size of Sony cameras to be an issue.
20-70 + 70-200 really is a great pair, especially coupled with 1,4x teleconverter, which improves the macro capabilities on the tele lens from 1:2 to 1:1,4 and inches closer to 100-400 range capabilities. Now I'm thinking about about 35 mm f/1,4 GM for night/street work...
I love the Sony 20-70/4 and the 70-200/4 macro. I wish Nikon had both of these lenses but what’s really great is that I can uses these lenses on my Nikon with the Megadap adapter.
You said you used to shoot with a D3100....I shoot with a D3300 but my mouth is watering over this camera but I'm curious about the fountain adapter so I can use the glass I have to start.
(Anthony) Welcome to Nikon. Again, I'm glad I had an opportunity to meet you at Out of Grand Teton. (green camera wrap all the way). The one thing to mention about the 100-400mm lens is the tripod mounting bracket (foot). The lens foot groove tends to be slightly different than what will fit most arca-swiss compatible ballhead mounts. You may want (or need) to switch to a different lens foot. RRS (LCF-21) and Kirk (LP-70) both make a lens foot specifically for the Nikon Z 100-400mm lens that is spot-on and fits arca-swiss plates perfectly. The grooves are a perfect match. Just thought I would pass it on. Thank you for the video. The shutter guard is a brilliant idea. I agree, all mirrorless cameras should have it as a standard feature.
Sensor shield is great my z6 z7ii sensor get dirty all the time. Another detail, you might say small is the lock on the eye piece, I've lost more than once on all camerasI've had.
The thing I’d suggest to Nikon is to make a z7II with a flippy screen. Its smaller footprint and weight that is in my view the advantage over the z8 which seems to be more relevant to moving objects rather than landscapes.
Went from Nikon (D800) To mirrorless by switching to a Fuji X-T2 to get a smaller setup. I liked shooting the Fuji, but the focus performance was not good enough, and I missed fullframe. Went to the Sony A7III which I now use. I really like Sony. But there are times, where I wish I did go for the Nikon Z system instead. Feels like meeting an old friend. (I shot Nikon for 10-ish years)
I started with D5000 and switched first to a6000, then a7 and a7 III. Damn, that Nikon looks nice, but it would be to expensive to switch. Maybe A7 V will be cool too.
There is now a lot of discussion online about the lower dynamic range and higher noise of stacked sensors. Did you manage to compare these parameters with GFX? I'm looking to buy a Z8, but I'm worried about the possible low-light performance because I do a lot of astrophotography.
Primarily landscapes. Thanks for your inputs. A long time Nikon hobbyist from FM2 days, yet to go mirrorless, was torn between the three. Your articulation makes easy for my choice to stay with Nikon!
Just switched to fujifilm medium format system from Sony full frame. Still trying to work out my workflow but I cannot be more excited by the photos I’d already taken. Photographers change and grow, it’s only natural that our gears change, too.
Hi mark, glad to hear your enjoying your setup! You said that you moved from Fuji because you were missing a long telephoto for the GFX. Why didn’t you just stay with the long telephoto on the xt5 instead of switching to FF Nikon? Curious to know as I’m currently debating myself between moving to Fuji or Sony systems. (From canon dslr) As always, love your content mate!
This camera looks great but, I don't shoot anything that moves much-if at all. You can get a Z7II now for under 2k (body only). That would save me a lot of $$$$. I don't need the benefits of a stacked sensor.
I'm an amateur photographer and shoot landscapes and wildlife. On the wildlife side, the CF Express card write speed and amazing autofocus sold me on the Z8.
For me I want to change my Nikon D780 but I'm waiting to see what Nikon will offer with the upcoming Z7 Mark III and I will make my decision by comparing the Z8 and Z7 III. I'm a Landscape photographer
Mark, I finally got home Wednesday (7/10)...wonderful journey!! I've started looking at the Z8 and associated lenses. I'll send you an email to ask if we can chat about the camera and lenses. Good seeing you in the Tetons!
I use a Nikon z7 ii and love it for most of the benefits you mention. one problem i have is that the memory card cover’s raised edge is something i often hit by mistake and accidentally open the door. i see z8 looks to be the same. otherwise it has been great. i’ve never tried canon or sony but i am sure they rock as well based on what i hear.
Hi Mark. I appreciated your video. I currently use a Sony A7RV, (which does have a sensor shield BTW), and A7RII. But I also have (2) Nikon D7100's. One is for birding and the other is for some types of macro work in my studio. I have to agree I've always loved shooting Nikon camera's including the D7100. It just works better for me ergonomically and fits my hands more comfortably. Persoanlly if I wasn't so vested in the Sony system I'd be very interested in owning the Z8 as well. However, I or should I say (we), can get great images out of all these camera's. So you might as well use the one that makes you happy! To anwer your quick question I'm a landscape, tabletop and macro photographer mostly. Occasionally I'll shoot birds but not often.
Hey. Great video. Could you change the background color on the text slides to something not white? Watching your videos on the TV at night is blinding when those sections come on.
Go with the zf or z6 III. Dont buy the Z6 II. It is good but you get more for you money with zf and Z6 III. Furthermore they get firmware Updates after the launch of Z6 III and Zf and maybe Z7 III soon i dont think the old one get firmware updates anymore.
@@rickmower1136 I also have the Zf I love it too but I considering to switch to the new Z6 III cause of the better videospecs. Or maybe 3 Nikon Bodies 😀
The Z8 plus appropriate glass obviously make up a good camera system and it is nice to hear that the ergonomics and the haptics are so good. FF ought to be ideal for your landscapes. I was wondering why you were on medium format anyway. The narrower DOF of medium format due to the larger sensor size make life difficult in almost all genres. Quite apart from being very expensive.
I have the 2nd generation 24-120 f/4G lens for Nikon's DSLR. Love that versatile lens. Used it for cityscapes and street photography, paired w/ my Nikon D800, for over a year. Only problem w/ that setup, its too heavy and bulky for street. Progressively over the years got a compact setup w/ the Z6II and 28mm Voigtlander. Now my gen 2 24-120mm lives on my Nikon F100 for anytime I want to shoot cityscape-architecture on film. Still as sharp when I got it. 🤩
Why didn't you adapted Canon EF or Nikon F long lenses on the Fuji GFX? There are EF and F lenses that covers all the 44x33mm sensor and you get the reach for long telephoto
I think you've made a very wise choice Mark, I've been with Nion for 35+ years so I'm bound to say that but honestly these is nothing this came can't do the Z lenses are as good as it gets! Re size of cameras, do you remember when they started making mobile phones smaller and smaller then it dawned on them that the reduced size had an impact on functionality and practicality then they started making them bigger again, it's the same with cameras too small and they become unstable and they are tricky to hold still, the Z8 is perfect in my opinion!
100% agree about sensor shield. Cannot understand why any mirrorless camera would be without it, or why by default when camera is turned off, a mechanical shutter (if available) comes down 🤷♂️🤷♂️
A huge thanks for this video. I currently shoot a D800 and D850 Nikon, and plan on giving the D800 to my wife, using the D850 for stills but want a camera that's 80% video and a bit of still shooting on holidays. I have been tossing up between the Z6iii and the Z8, but coming from a current 45 megapixel camera, I am a bit hesitant dropping back to 24.5 megapixels when for just a little more I can keep the same resolution in a camera that looks and feels similar to my existing D850, just mirrorless.
🔥QUICK QUESTION: What type of photographer are you? Landscape, Wildlife, Sports, Portrait, etc
I just take photographs...
Landscape & Widlife :) this video couldnt have come at a better time
I’m a wildlife and nature photographer .
Are you going to get a Nikon Z6iii for filming your videos now ?
And congrats on the switch back to Nikon .
Wildlife videographer here -- Nikon all the way! 😃
Landscape and a bit of airshows
Feedback: there are those of us that are primarily listening to these videos while we do other things (cleaning, crafting, yes even driving). When the auto drops entirely mute and you introduce the questions as a title card (ex @2:44) it means we have to find the remote or unlock the phone, then rewind the video just to see what the question was. I do really like having the title cards, but could you please read the questions in your voice along with the screen cards? Thanks!
Agree! Not a big fan of the title cards. I always appreciated the candid ‘chat’ at the computer type of videos. The title cards always seem to be a weird deviation and weird moment of silence from that candid, friendly chat and makes the video seem more unnecessarily structured. Just my opinion.
Agree i dont want to read
Never thought of this as I tend to be the exact opposite - watching with no sound and just subtitles
I've watched about a thousand reviews of the Z8 and no one mentioned backlit buttons! No one! So +1 point now to purchase this camera in addition to a tiny Z6
The prodigal son returns! Welcome back to the Nikon Family! I really don’t know about the other brands but Nikon is very good at supplying updates to their cameras in the form of firmwares. I have the z9 and love it. I have smaller hands and at first I thought maybe it is too big. I have become so accustomed to using it I don’t notice it anymore. One difference between the z9 and z8 is an extra function button. The battery is more robust too. I do shoot some fast action genres and with the Delkin Black Diamond CF Express card it seems like the high frame rate is endless. I have not hit a buffer limit yet. Again happy shooting with the Z8!
That’s why I love Nikon, for those small details and the colors right out of the camera are great
Any modern camera is better than what I shot magazine covers with 35 years ago! I’ve used an R5 and R6 for the last few years, and various Nikons and Mamiya cameras before that. Now I’m enjoying the Hasselblad X2D. They’re all amazing. I’d argue it’s not even about the photos. It’s about enjoying the outdoors with creativity and intention.
I've had my z8 since Christmas and I love it. I so haven't used it for landscape yet. It's great for action and wildlife. It's such a versatile camera. Another good reason for buying a z8 is because Nikon is giving great support with firmware updates.
I really think Z8 will become very important in Nikons history, it is such a beautifull piece of gear...you can also say the same for 24-120 f4 S lens, it produces such good images.
Great from Nikon
Just bought this last week. It’s a full circle in my case. Nikon - Canon - Fuji - Lumix - Sigma FP - Nikon 😅. It’s an amazing piece of machinery. I’m not a photographer but the photos out of Z8 are astonishingly beautiful 😍. Sharp and the colours are so great (Rich Tone Portrait profile).
I have never leave Nikon, but tried Canon and other manufacturers. The ergonomics of Nikon is the unbeatable one!
@@X3ABnewyeah, Nikon ergos are nice, though Canon isn't that much worse, Sony isn't very great unless you want very small lenses only and have a light setup
Just want to say, I appreciate that you spent the time to get the video frame composition and the computer screen parallel with each other!
As long as you can get good results, brands don't matter at all.
HUSH!!! If it’s not a 200MP Medium format crop full pano special, then I don’t want it. :)
Brand matters because of what it can offer
This is one of those feel-good, but incorrect statements.
Brand absolutely matters. Some of them don't matter much between them but a Phase One is absolutely not comparable to an Olympus.
@@MichaelFrederickPhoto tbf you can see the detail in a Phase One image. It's my fave image to work on :)
@@ed61730 My comment was in jest, I have missed an opportunity to attend two Phase One events at my local camera shop, would LOVE to demo it!
I bought the 24-120 S last year to take on my backpacking trips. It’s amazing and has slowly replaced my 24-70 2.8 S. Welcome back to Nikon 😀
that 24-120 is the lens that lives on my z8 most of the time.
Another great video Mark. The Nikon Z 100-400 and 24-120 are the only two lenses I own. You didn't mention it but are probably aware of how close you can focus with these lenses. I believe it's like .38x for both or there abouts. That was a game-changer for me!
I don't think that anyone needs to justify any brand that they use, period. That will be the brand that offers what they want. All the main companies offer brilliant systems, each offer certain features missing in others. I shoot a Nikon Z8 and Z6ii mainly because I've been shooting Nikon for decades, know the system and have some legacy lenses that work fantastically on the Z system still. It's a brilliant system with really fine files but also missing some features of other brands, especially with the Z6ii's auto focus system, but we have a wonderful choice of lenses on the Z mount plus thousands of F mount ones that are fun to use. Choose what you want, who cares. It's the images that count.
exactly, Use the system you are most comfortable with. Their specs are all close enough not to be able to say one is clearly better. I stay with canon just because it's what I strated with so now I can zoom around that body without thinking. camera's are only the tool , photographers are the talent.
Exactly i shoot canon and i jsut cant stand nikon folks comming over telling me i chose the wrong camera system…strangely i dont get thtat from fuji or sony folks but anyway. There is no best. Just the best for YOU
As pro for 35yrs using Nikon, Bronica (Should have use Hasselblad), and 4X5 Sinar (the Rolls Royce) I had the opposite to what one person experienced here. I had Canon people say I'd made the wrong choice. These were always keen amateurs. Myself and my many professional colleagues never disputed the camera choice. We knew it was the person behind the camera that made the difference.
How is color science straight out of camera
I don't think there's a need to justify, but it can be interesting to hear people explain why they chose a system, especially when they are starting from almost zero. I thought it was really telling that mostly it came down to ergonomics and buttons than any stats it has, and to a lesser degree lenses.
I just switched to the Z8 from Fujifilm and I’m totally loving it!! I would be really interested in your landscape settings on the Z8, if at all possible.
The R5 has a sensor curtain to avoid dust on the sensor while changing lenses. The disadvantage is that the curtain is not a shield and actually more sensitive for mechanical damage than the sensor. I do like the Z8 and would buy it today but after 40 Canon years and 8 lenses including the 1.2-2.8 lenses changing system is very expensive.
If you mostly have EF lenses, you can get a megadap adaptor and you can use your EF lenses on the Z8 like if they were native lenses. I habe a R5, and unlike you, I want to have them both, since I only have EF lenses and 1 RF lens 😅
Never touched my canon sensors so the r5 s way is perfect
So does my R6II. The idea that this is the deciding factor is just.. weird.
And to answer Mark's question about "why don't all cameras have this?" It's because most other MILCs still have a mechanical shutter, and can use THAT as their sensor cover. The Z8/9 just added a new mechanical gadget to make up for the fact that they don't have a shutter to do the job naturally.
@@hugomouteira7015 5. of them are RF lenses including the 50 and 85 1.2. I am very happy with my R5.
@@Axonteer I clean my sensor regularly because it seems to collect more dust than my DSLR’s before.
I love my Z8
Any issues working with godox lights due to absence of mechanical shutter?
@@zakiradi450I shoot Z9 and godox strobes. No issues other than the fairly slow sync speed of 1/160th. Officially it's 1/200 but now and again you get a black band at 1/200
@@chrisogrady28 thanks Chris. No high speed synch then?
Me too Camera of the Year too
@@zakiradi450 None at all
For me camera ergonomics and aesthetics definitely play a role in enjoying photography
How it feels in your hand and the experience using it is very important for me as well.
A very important point and those Nikons are bricks that are totally uncomfortable and unwieldily to use for me.
All reasons you stated make a lot of sense. What I like about Nikon is the color rendition ❤
Welcome to the happy Nikon Z8 owners club and I'm sure there are happy owners of other brand and model cameras and lenses too ,no problem,
I love mine too which I have owned for about a year, if you want to use the full potential of it you need to use the CFe type B memory card but for landscape that is not needed.
That 24-120 f4S lens is great too and my favorite for landscape and generally outdoors , it also is a very good macro lens if you want to use for that because it focuses about 5 or 6 inches from the lens at 120 mm , I am looking forward to seeing more of your experiences with these.
Nice buy, I'm still with the D850 which I will keep when I move to mirrorless. Hoping for the Z8 or Z9 when I can.
Welcome to the Z8 club! Enjoy your new camera and lenses.
It is the best do all camera on the photo market at this time. Maybe the Canon R5II will leap frog past it? There are no bad cameras in this age of technology. Most of us stay with the brand we started with after investing in lenses.
it amazes me people still argue about camera brands. At this point it’s simply personal preference. There’s so little difference now and no one will get better photos by choosing one camera brand over another.
I have been asked “what camera brand should I buy?”
My answer is “none of the manufacturers make a bad camera, they all make different cameras!” “Some may make a camera that fits your hands better, some may have menus that you prefer, some may have menus you don’t get on with, try some and see which you prefer!”
@@grahamstretch6863 This is the perfect answer to that question
I think the reason people argue is because they have a lot of money wrapped up in a particular brand and want to think they made the right decision. So when their brand is knocked they have to go to defence.
I agree! All cameras today are incredible!
@@MarkDenneyPhoto It doesn’t seem like that long ago that I refused to transition to digital cameras because you could always tell a digital photo from a “real” one, and they just didn’t look nearly as good. Now even the phone you carry around in your pocket takes incredible photos.
24-120mm I have it!! Totally love it! It lives on my camera!! Thanks for great and honest review.
Great choice Mark, I am sure you will enjoy this system. I have the same setup and I only have good words about it. Nikon really nailed it with this camera and the lenses are awesome too!!!
In addition to all the positive reasons you mentioned for owning a Z8 or Z9, I really like the way I can be in bird tracking mode, then, at the touch of one button, I can switch to small, single-point focus. Touch another button and I'm now in crop sensor mode. In video mode, even with a prime lens, I can zoom in by 200% without any visible loss of resolution. Maybe other cameras can do all this, but I like the Nikon set up.
Same reason I purchased Nikon Z. Just felt better in the hand and their lens priority.
What you find out..... is exactly why I have the Z 8. I do landscape, wildlife, sport and car racing, airshows, some macro and I can do everything perfect with the Z 8. I bought it as a kit with the 24-120 f 4 and the FTZ adapter from B&H in May 2023. Almost never have to deal with sensor dust. The 300 mm f 2,8 VR F mount works great with all 3 Nikon TC on this lens, Also the 70-200mm 2,8 FL. Set up and custom setting took a while to set up to my best use. Had the D3, D3x, D810, D 500 in combination with the D850 before. I use about 80% the 24-120 on the camera with stunning result. The only what I miss ... not autofocus with my D lenses. 24 mm tilt and shift and the 200mm f 4 macro.
Really enjoyed this video, Mark. The Nikon Z8 is beautiful. Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts.
Thanks for watching!
Thorough, fair, and objective comparisons.
Thank you for your content. I am thinking about switching from A6500 to a FF and miss my old Nikon (7100) a lot especially the two rings placement for aperture and speed. Another point for Nikon. Thanks again.
Have both. The DR of the GFX100s is only better up to about to 200ISO. And I rarely shoot that close to base ISO.
I'm 6'4" with gorilla hands and started my career shooting Nikon film cameras and then their digitals from d70 to D2X to d800...LOVE NIKON, but now I shoot Sony a7RV with battery grip and added thumb grip and it feels great in the hand
Welcome to my neck of the woods. I have been taking pictures since 1986 and have been married to Nikon since and to my wife since 1984, hahaha. No disrespect to any of the other brands, they make awesome products as well. I am not a professional but have 2 x Z9s (while heavy) and love them. Best wishes and keep up the good work.
I have the Z8 and Zf and can't see myself wanting another camera for a very very long time!
I like your choice, I am in love with my Z8
I started with my dad’s Kodak 35mm film camera that he got back in 1964. I used in the 70s during high school, and then in college my mom got me my own film camera - the Canon Rebel. I used it for the next 20 years until I couldn’t get film really anymore. Flash forward to 2019 or so when I decided to get a camera again. I got a DSLR, naturally a Canon Rebel T7. Very happy with it - except for the fact it doesn’t take an external mic. I works for me and my needs. Cost effective, great color and lens options, not too heavy. If $ was no object would I have a different camera for every task? Nah, I travel light.
Once again, great video Mark in describing reasons and answering questions. Ive seen some comments about it doesnt matter which gear you use as long as you get good results, and i totally disagree. You brought it out, but it really is almost a oart of your body in the sense that the camera has to "fit" perfectly, and have a menu system that allows you to make quick decision and changes. It also has to make you "enjoy" the photography journey, which you also stated. So, i would definitely say that the brand matters. Are they all fantastic camera's? Yes, but one is "family"..😊. Nikon is family for me. Thanks for the video Mark!
You really seem enthusiastic about the cam, glad you're enjoying it.
Mark, I've been using the Z8 siince May 23. I never(!!) had to clean my sensor. Thats a point!
There's something irresistibly satisfying about cradling the Z8 with the 24-120 or 14-24, or really any lens you choose. It's the perfect mix of size, heft, and balance-a marvel of technology that just clicks with me. Aesthetic appeal? Check. Feels like a dream? Absolutely.
My experience as well
@@Mr09260 Your brain must be very small...smdh.
Nothing beats the 24-200.. I sold the 24-120 for that lens
Love my Z8! Great move, Mark! 🎉
The sensor shield is great just make sure the rear element of the lens your putting on is dust free & if you want to be really careful about dust check the rear lens cap
before you put it on when you take the lens off, takes seconds to do but can make a difference.
Thank you 🙏🏾
If you are a wildlife or bird photographer you definitely need to use CF Express cards to utilize the speed of the Z8/Z9 cameras. And you will never hit the end of the buffer. And transfering files to ssd drives is a lot faster. The latter point is probably the only advantage for landscape only photogs.
24-120 is a beast :D
Because of the sensor shield/closed shutter, I bought my R5 a few years back. At that time all other sensors were exposed and I don’t like that.
Had the Nikon Z8 been out 3 years ago, I would have stuck with Nikon.
Congrats on the new camera system, that is always very exciting.
All of the major brands have great cameras and great lenses. I've tried them all and have had great results. The Sony A1 has the senor shield and that's the camera I went with a year ago but honestly you can't go wrong with any of these cameras. It's about being in the right place at the right time and doing the leg work and homework to find great photos. And sometimes a little luck too.
Great video!!
nice choice 🙂
I shoot both Nikon and Fuji and love both. My Fuji system is bang up to date (X-H2) while on Nikon I love shooting a vintage D700 and 105 macro. 12MP is enough and the look of the images the older equipment affords is just gorgeous. Only issue is remembering which way to screw the lenses on and off!!
Hahhah! I totally understand - I’m so used to the way they screw on with Fuji😁
Just as a counterpoint, a noted side effect of an electronic-only sensor on the Z8 is that the dynamic range is slightly compromised, which is a tradeoff for the benefits. I've seen some tests claim they're "basically equal" but I don't think I've ever seen a test have the Z8 come out on top. DR is just not a selling feature of an electronic-only shutter. It probably doesn't matter, but it's not a selling feature.
I have both, Nikon Z8 with permanently attached Nikkor Z 24-120mm S lens for walk around photography and Nikon Z7II with permanently attached ultrawide Z Viltrox 16mm f/1.8 lens for architecture and classic autos photography. Both cameras and lens are fantastic
Canon all the way for me. Cheap EF L lenses on the used market. Low cost R7 for birds and wildlife. Speedbooster makes my EF 500 L F4 a 550mm F2.8 equivalent. Canon has no issues with dust on the sensor. AF and ergonomics just works . When I win the lottery I will look at RF glass and a R5 ii. But I will use this R7 on birds for a long time. Just love it.
I've been using nikkor 24-120 lenses for years so buying into the z system i purchased the z 24-120 lens and it is superb. I have looked at Canon and Sony too but the Nikon system seems a more natural fit and easy to evolve to newer cameras from any older Nikon digital camera.
Good overview, Mark. Enjoy your new body. I do own the Z9, it is great, a wonderful hybrid body. I might still get a z8 as well, but at the moment, having so much fun with the Zf as a travel-body, especially when paired with the Voigtländer MZ z-mount lenses. Let’s see if I do grab a Z8 as well for those high-res landscape shots during travels.
A tip for you with big hands; Smallrig's L-bracket gives just a little extra room for the hand, and it's lighter than the RRS, I think.
And instead of the Arca Swiss rails you put on your telephoto lenses, make e.g. Kirk Photo a lens foot with built-in Arca Swiss, and it's again a lighter solution.
By now you are probably used to using that index finger to change the aperture, so I think it is convenient to use the lens' control ring for exposure compensation.
But perhaps you have already considered those solutions.
Thanks for another thoughtful video. I don’t think you can go wrong with any of the top tier cameras these days. I use the Sony A7RV, and I love it for landscape. These are my thoughts: 1) Sony A7RV has a shutter-closed-when-camera-is-turned-off mode that helps prevent dust from getting on the sensor. I don’t know if it is different from the “sensor shield.” I suspect Nikon’s is a bit more sturdy, since the shield/shutter is only used for long exposure noise reduction. Nikon does not use a shutter under normal shooting situations. 2) I clearly experience a difference between my 50 megapixel A1 and my 60 megapixel A7RV images when cropping. The A1 is more versatile, but the A7RV is always my go to for landscape. I doubt I would experience a difference between 45 and 50 megapixel. I’m sure that’s a personal preference - I am very nit-picky. 3) I suspect the Z8 is better for low light at 100%, and may have a bit more dynamic range because of the larger photosite area, but I don’t find the A7RV to be lacking, even for night photography. 4) I really like the Nikon lens lineup. The zoom ranges are well suited for landscape - I am sometimes envious of the 24-120 lens. Canon also has a good lineup also with the 14-35, 24-105, and 100-500. That said, I do like my Sony 20-70 and 70-200 MACRO, a super lightweight pair, (or 20-70 and 100-400 pairing) very much! I rarely need wider than 20mm. I do wish Sony had a 14-24 or a 14-35, with front filters, instead of a 16-35. I feel the 12-24 GM is too big, with a bulbous front element, and the 12-24 f/4 just does not have the IQ. I sometimes just throw in a 14mm with my 20-70 and 70-20/100-400 pair. 5) I also wish Sony had a top screen, and more programmable buttons. 6) Finally, I am 6’-5” with XXLarge hands and I’ve never found the size of Sony cameras to be an issue.
20-70 + 70-200 really is a great pair, especially coupled with 1,4x teleconverter, which improves the macro capabilities on the tele lens from 1:2 to 1:1,4 and inches closer to 100-400 range capabilities. Now I'm thinking about about 35 mm f/1,4 GM for night/street work...
I love the Sony 20-70/4 and the 70-200/4 macro. I wish Nikon had both of these lenses but what’s really great is that I can uses these lenses on my Nikon with the Megadap adapter.
good choice and rationale.
Wasn't this first introduced back in the Canon EOS R, around 6 years ago???
I love my Z8. I shoot macro and wildlife. Why don’t you use CF cards? Which one speed?
You said you used to shoot with a D3100....I shoot with a D3300 but my mouth is watering over this camera but I'm curious about the fountain adapter so I can use the glass I have to start.
The Nikon Z8 and Z6iii are a great match for the field. I highly recommend trying the 180-600 or 800 PF.
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Welcome to Nikon. Again, I'm glad I had an opportunity to meet you at Out of Grand Teton. (green camera wrap all the way). The one thing to mention about the 100-400mm lens is the tripod mounting bracket (foot). The lens foot groove tends to be slightly different than what will fit most arca-swiss compatible ballhead mounts. You may want (or need) to switch to a different lens foot. RRS (LCF-21) and Kirk (LP-70) both make a lens foot specifically for the Nikon Z 100-400mm lens that is spot-on and fits arca-swiss plates perfectly. The grooves are a perfect match. Just thought I would pass it on. Thank you for the video. The shutter guard is a brilliant idea. I agree, all mirrorless cameras should have it as a standard feature.
Sensor shield is great my z6 z7ii sensor get dirty all the time. Another detail, you might say small is the lock on the eye piece, I've lost more than once on all camerasI've had.
I made the decision last month that my next camera will be the Z8 for all the reasons that you stated plus a few more.
The thing I’d suggest to Nikon is to make a z7II with a flippy screen. Its smaller footprint and weight that is in my view the advantage over the z8 which seems to be more relevant to moving objects rather than landscapes.
Went from Nikon (D800) To mirrorless by switching to a Fuji X-T2 to get a smaller setup. I liked shooting the Fuji, but the focus performance was not good enough, and I missed fullframe. Went to the Sony A7III which I now use. I really like Sony. But there are times, where I wish I did go for the Nikon Z system instead. Feels like meeting an old friend. (I shot Nikon for 10-ish years)
You can adapt your Sony lenses on the Nikon Z bodies with full autofocusing and lens correction via the Megadap. Just saying...
I started with D5000 and switched first to a6000, then a7 and a7 III. Damn, that Nikon looks nice, but it would be to expensive to switch. Maybe A7 V will be cool too.
Firm Nikon fan - D7200
There is now a lot of discussion online about the lower dynamic range and higher noise of stacked sensors. Did you manage to compare these parameters with GFX? I'm looking to buy a Z8, but I'm worried about the possible low-light performance because I do a lot of astrophotography.
Primarily landscapes. Thanks for your inputs. A long time Nikon hobbyist from FM2 days, yet to go mirrorless, was torn between the three. Your articulation makes easy for my choice to stay with Nikon!
Just switched to fujifilm medium format system from Sony full frame. Still trying to work out my workflow but I cannot be more excited by the photos I’d already taken. Photographers change and grow, it’s only natural that our gears change, too.
Hi mark, glad to hear your enjoying your setup!
You said that you moved from Fuji because you were missing a long telephoto for the GFX. Why didn’t you just stay with the long telephoto on the xt5 instead of switching to FF Nikon?
Curious to know as I’m currently debating myself between moving to Fuji or Sony systems. (From canon dslr)
As always, love your content mate!
Sony has anti-dust function that you enable in the menu to prevent dust to reach the sensor when changing lenses
This camera looks great but, I don't shoot anything that moves much-if at all. You can get a Z7II now for under 2k (body only). That would save me a lot of $$$$. I don't need the benefits of a stacked sensor.
It's such an amazing feature. I don't want to go back. Haven't had a dust or oil spot in 2 years.
I'm an amateur photographer and shoot landscapes and wildlife. On the wildlife side, the CF Express card write speed and amazing autofocus sold me on the Z8.
For me I want to change my Nikon D780 but I'm waiting to see what Nikon will offer with the upcoming Z7 Mark III and I will make my decision by comparing the Z8 and Z7 III. I'm a Landscape photographer
Love Nikon! best system!
Mark, I finally got home Wednesday (7/10)...wonderful journey!! I've started looking at the Z8 and associated lenses. I'll send you an email to ask if we can chat about the camera and lenses. Good seeing you in the Tetons!
My canon r7 has that feature too
I use a Nikon z7 ii and love it for most of the benefits you mention. one problem i have is that the memory card cover’s raised edge is something i often hit by mistake and accidentally open the door. i see z8 looks to be the same. otherwise it has been great.
i’ve never tried canon or sony but i am sure they rock as well based on what i hear.
Hi Mark. I appreciated your video. I currently use a Sony A7RV, (which does have a sensor shield BTW), and A7RII. But I also have (2) Nikon D7100's. One is for birding and the other is for some types of macro work in my studio. I have to agree I've always loved shooting Nikon camera's including the D7100. It just works better for me ergonomically and fits my hands more comfortably. Persoanlly if I wasn't so vested in the Sony system I'd be very interested in owning the Z8 as well. However, I or should I say (we), can get great images out of all these camera's. So you might as well use the one that makes you happy! To anwer your quick question I'm a landscape, tabletop and macro photographer mostly. Occasionally I'll shoot birds but not often.
I really don't get the idea of that sensor curtain shield. What happens to the dust that gets in and between the curtains?
Honest and informativ as usal👌
Hey. Great video. Could you change the background color on the text slides to something not white? Watching your videos on the TV at night is blinding when those sections come on.
Decided on Z8 now. I was gong to go Fuji100S II but prices have increased and no longer affordable.
Nikon ZF or Z6 ii will be my next Nikon body. Currently shooting a Z5.
Go with the zf or z6 III. Dont buy the Z6 II. It is good but you get more for you money with zf and Z6 III. Furthermore they get firmware Updates after the launch of Z6 III and Zf and maybe Z7 III soon i dont think the old one get firmware updates anymore.
I went from z5 to zf and absolutely love it.
@@rickmower1136 I also have the Zf I love it too but I considering to switch to the new Z6 III cause of the better videospecs.
Or maybe 3 Nikon Bodies 😀
Yeah I agree with you, the lens shield is very important for mirrorless bodies and even my sony a7iv as it..
It's not the same thing - on Sony it's the actual shutter which is quite delicate.
Yay Nikon Z8 😊
The Z8 plus appropriate glass obviously make up a good camera system and it is nice to hear that the ergonomics and the haptics are so good. FF ought to be ideal for your landscapes. I was wondering why you were on medium format anyway. The narrower DOF of medium format due to the larger sensor size make life difficult in almost all genres. Quite apart from being very expensive.
Mark, you did your research incorrectly, Canon started the sensor shield, most Canon R series have sensor shield.😊
It’s not the same thing.
I have the 2nd generation 24-120 f/4G lens for Nikon's DSLR. Love that versatile lens. Used it for cityscapes and street photography, paired w/ my Nikon D800, for over a year. Only problem w/ that setup, its too heavy and bulky for street. Progressively over the years got a compact setup w/ the Z6II and 28mm Voigtlander. Now my gen 2 24-120mm lives on my Nikon F100 for anytime I want to shoot cityscape-architecture on film. Still as sharp when I got it. 🤩
Why didn't you adapted Canon EF or Nikon F long lenses on the Fuji GFX? There are EF and F lenses that covers all the 44x33mm sensor and you get the reach for long telephoto
I think you've made a very wise choice Mark, I've been with Nion for 35+ years so I'm bound to say that but honestly these is nothing this came can't do the Z lenses are as good as it gets! Re size of cameras, do you remember when they started making mobile phones smaller and smaller then it dawned on them that the reduced size had an impact on functionality and practicality then they started making them bigger again, it's the same with cameras too small and they become unstable and they are tricky to hold still, the Z8 is perfect in my opinion!
100% agree about sensor shield. Cannot understand why any mirrorless camera would be without it, or why by default when camera is turned off, a mechanical shutter (if available) comes down 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Moving from Nikon to Canon I was curious if Nikon still offers reverse/2nd shutter for flash?
A huge thanks for this video. I currently shoot a D800 and D850 Nikon, and plan on giving the D800 to my wife, using the D850 for stills but want a camera that's 80% video and a bit of still shooting on holidays. I have been tossing up between the Z6iii and the Z8, but coming from a current 45 megapixel camera, I am a bit hesitant dropping back to 24.5 megapixels when for just a little more I can keep the same resolution in a camera that looks and feels similar to my existing D850, just mirrorless.
Another advantage is that with an adaptor, u can use e mount lenses. So for Sony user they can sort of use it as a 2nd camera too
Love my Z7II and Z6II. Would like to see dual CFExpress-B since they are faster and the cost is equal or cheaper to the SD equivalent.