Nate, I'm female, Australian. I'm currently doing a Permaculture Design Course with David Holgrem and you were discussed and listed as a resource. I've been following you prior to that and was pleased to hear your name come up as a trusted and useful resource. The ENSO cycle has a massive effect on our climate so it's floods and droughts fairly consistently, which I think makes it pretty obvious to us that we are teetering on the edge a lot of the time. In saying that, I think I would not want to move from here (it's my home) but we can grow food, probably ramp up manufacturing, have a smaller population etc. but oil is a problem for us. All the best.
Hello from Perth, Western Australia 😊I am a female viewer, I appreciate your gentle way of sharing your knowledge and your wisdom with those who are ready for it ❤
As hyperbolic as I know it will sound, I truly belief that your message and your informed, intelligent presentation is one of the last remaining hopes for the human species. You have the luxury of being uncensored by your sponsorship and are able to speak inconvenient truths to millions all over the world. You are kind enough to share the profound wisdom of many deep thinkers, and avoid the specious proclamations of poets, priests and politicians. Bless you, may good, good man. Your efforts ARE much appreciated and sorely needed.
I'm in Sydney Australia.... It's the fires and now the floods. People's eyes are opening.... And the fact that 99% of Australia's liquid fuels come on a boat from overseas....
I am in perth australia, my state is fossil fuels.. natural gas and massive mining central..i dont know anyone else that takes my perspective.. which concurs with yours..but people are worried as we see worsening changes..I got to this because I am curious , i love the natural world, and have a scientific mind, and I worked in heavy industry for decades so I saw the enormity of the industrial project, but I really only saw a tiny bit of it.. I also understand exponential growth and a bit of thermodynamics..I just keep learning from people like you..and am grateful to you and your guests..
I share your view mate. I work in gas/elec. They definitely promote people in these fields who are willfully blind to any of these issues. I would be labeled a radical for even posing these questions...still I have a mission to hand my CEO a copy of The Super Organism and tell him to read it if you care for your kids and want to get out of the echo chamber....
Female from Connecticut here to say I really enjoy your podcast and TH-cam channel. Thanks for sharing the demographics information on your listeners, I always find that sort of information interesting. I've been listening now for a couple of months and working my way through the back episodes. I find the way you think about and present these topics to be very interesting and it makes a lot of sense to me. I've tried to explain some of the concepts and information to friends a few time, and found the most welcome approach has an emphasize community engagement and building a strong local support system for one another. This seems to be especially engaging to other women.
Woman are leading the way... A great expansion of Ecofeminism is just about the only cultural and psychological change that gives me any hope. Vandana Shiva recently interviewed by Nate is a wonderful expression of Ecofeminism of mind, spirit and action.
I'm an elderly member of the 19% of your followers. Recently I purchased a tiny home and am learning how to live there contentedly. Your program is something that I recommend to any and all who are interested in a more complete and more realistic analysis of our current situation regarding energy. I hope more women join the conversation. It's so important and I sincerely thank you for sharing your knowledge.
There are a *lot* of women working on climate related projects, not sure the ratio but anecdotally the number looks huge, so maybe they're already involved, just not in the systems perspective chat.
Very interesting regarding islands and I would like to share something I briefly lived through, which transformed my way of thinking, whilst on an island, off Auckland, New Zealand. That island is Waiheke Island which in 2011, when I moved there, was not that well known outside of New Zealand. Outside of the Spring-Summer months Waiheke has a population of around 9,000; it has no reticulation so drinking water is mostly from rainwater collection in tanks and waste disposal, largely via septic systems. It was the closest I had ever come, at that time, to living in a circular system. In my time there I saw two things which were striking to me. Firstly, there was a fairly famous sculpture exhibition "Sculpture On The Gulf". In addition to normal Summer tourism of around 30,000 at peak, there were even more visitors. Bearing in mind that the island infrastructure was built to accommodate 9,000 people, what ensued with around 34,000 visitors was chaotic. Ferries couldn't cope, busses couldn't cope and septic systems overflowed; that was my first true encounter with finite systems overwhelmed; all systems are finite, everywhere, in my opinion. The second occurrence around 1 year later, was the worst drought in New Zealand in living memory. Bearing in mind, Waiheke Island depends on rainwater capture, there were two commercial wells on the island and right before the drought broke, water deliveries were out to 8 weeks from order. As I say; all systems are finite.
Interesting topic Nate. Those of us who live at the outposts of advanced modernity (like my city of Perth) do seem to observe the precariousness of high complexity societies and supply chains, as you’ve pointed out. In my own case, it’s partially caused by the awareness that my home state of WA is utterly dependent on global trade and the complexity and abundant energy that makes it possible, our population is so small that we can’t possibly be self sufficient for even a 1960’s standard of living for any appreciable length of time. It feels like walking along the edge of a cliff…what if global trade and supply chains are impacted for even a few weeks…we would revert to an early industrial society rather quickly…in my view. I’d love to see you in Oz sometime!
Another good Frankly video, thanks for that :) As for large portions of your audience living on islands, most of the world's population lives near the coasts anyway. Australia had some seriously bad wild fires and London was 40 degrees C last summer. I think having a front row seat to the end of the world probably motivates some people to try to understand why this is happening.
I like the fact that you don't water down your message by worrying about people's psychological resilience or development. I think your channel is a great "tool" for teachers to use where it is up to the teacher to manage the psychological profiles of their students. That is how it has been helpful to me. Enormously helpful.
In society, conversations on climate change is beginning . Most Gurus and followers are afraid of the human predicament . Your podcast has been eye-opener . Please keep the good work going .
The gap between knowledge and lifestyle can certainly push people into a period of grief, suffering, despair, anger, confusion. Or maybe push them back to the shallow surface for a while, thinking their current normal must be reality, because the new info is too foreign. In any of those cases, you exposing people to these ideas is literally a miracle and I will accept nothing less than that. Because people NEED that EXPOSURE. Forget trying to influence their opinions in any sense. Just exposure is enough. And getting people to feel deeper, go to the place that is real inside- where there is vulnerability, a real sense of how rare this life is- THAT is the only place people can start from to connect with meaningful change, meaningful living. You do not have to worry about covering that gap alone. Exposure is step one. I'm a big fan of your work, and it's completely relevant to my own work in youth empowerment & community development. I'm finding little ways to create anchors, to create refuge, and encourage people to strengthen themselves immensely. But all of that is only something people deeply want and care about once they have been startled, or even disturbed, out of their comfortable slumber. Modern comforts are painkillers that keep people half-asleep. The growing pains of waking up are our greatest gift.
I once joked that Kiwis have always been nice us Aussies - usually because they are taking our money at the same time. ;) But they are good people, most also have a brilliant sense of humour as well.
Simon, I have recently found your work and have been sharing it with others. IIRC you were also at TheOilDrum. You and Nate have been awesome! Thank you for your work.
My wife and I listen to you on an island in the north of Norway. We recently moved from large cities (Paris and Copenhagen). We are learning a lot. The local community has always grown organic food and welcome people who moved from densely populated area. This video resonates here!
I’m a New Zealander exploring the wilderness here and I think there are few factors. Since this is an English language channel the only contenders are anglophone countries and among those New Zealand is probably the most progressive, green country, politically. We promote a lot of eco-tourism so conservation is important to our economy as well. And being recently colonised and so far from major markets, we are aware that we will have to be self sufficient (as we largely were not so long ago) if the shit hits the fan. But it could be an artifice of some zealous Nelson people sharing the videos widely and ya know, everyone knows everyone here, we’re so small 😂
I would also add that both Australia and New Zealand have active permaculture groups. I think that’s how I learned about Nate’s Earth Day talks and from there got into the podcasts. It could be interesting to know the viewership stats for Hawaii in comparison.
Yup! I've been sharing! Maybe the reason why Nelson, New Zealand has such high numbers is because of ASPO-Nelson, ASPO-NZ, Transition Towns Nelson. These are all groups I co-founded from early 2000's on. We tried to educate the locals, and mostly failed...or maybe not? Thanks Nate for acknowledging our ongoing interest in your work! Kia Kaha M8! Ted Howard Nelson, New Zealand
I’m from Barbados, a small island in the Caribbean. Your discussions are at the core of our development challenges- energy, climate, globalization. These issues aren’t abstract, but our lived reality as we struggle to sustain our way of life. Keep the content coming, we are listening!
I agree with everything you said Nate. I live on the southernmost tip of Western Australia. It takes the best part of a day to drive to Perth which is the most isolated city in the world! We see the trucks bringing in supplies to the town every day. So yes, I'm acutely aware of what would happen if the shtf. But I actually feel that where I live will be one of the safest places to be in the world. Even though my town draws much of its income from tourism, their is also small scale agriculture and horticulture here and a population of intelligent and creative, family and community oriented people. We can be self sufficient here. People who aren't in the best position for returning to self sufficiency, ie, city folk and those in areas with high population density, may be too frightened by your message thus prefer not to entertain it. They are so used to having everything at their fingertips they cant fathom things being any different. They live in a different universe. Like you said, fuelled by dopamine, not oxytocin. I'm a small scale horticulture farmer and therefore surrounded by and very dependent on the natural world. My day is filled with nurturing that world which gives me plenty of oxytocin. Love and reverence. A feeling of being part of the cycle of life. I have a healthy respect for its power and it's unpredictability too. I can see how dependant and vulnerable modern humans are. They have lost the connection and oneness. They don't understand the beauty of it and so must seek other pleasures. Tending to nature so that it can sustain me and I can sustain it gives me a sensation like being in love. Nothing beats it. Taking away enrgy all at once from the cities would be as catastrophic as a large asteroid hitting earth. Even a Carrington event would also achieve that. Hopefully the great simplification will happen slowly enough for people to get through it without too much hardship, violence and chaos Enough time for them to learn how to live and realise that living simply and sustainably can be rewarding.
Hello, Nate. I'm a female checking in from the the southern US. (I am an anomaly here, for sure.) I appreciate that you are setting the table. I am working in the areas of mental health and spirituality. I see this, living in the time of great dying, as an opportunity. In many ways, I see my current and future life's work as palliative care. Those who know and those who will be experiencing dissonance will be seeking comfort as you described. My intention is to offer alternatives to those maladaptive coping mechanisms you mentioned. I encourage you to continue the good work of discussing the perdicament. This is yours to do. As Ram Dass said, "we are all just walking one another home."
Hi Nate. Longtime Female viewer here. Have learned so much from you and your guests and now trying to figure out how to make my own personal changes to better live a healthy sustainable life. I believe it is a holistic approach as well. Mind, body and spirit aligned. We are all connected so finding others (who are not coming from any radical political or religious position) is what I am looking for here in Idaho. Not easy. My first step, I will be living in an eco village in Costa Rica for 2 months to learn as much as I can and bring what I have learned back home to implement on a small piece of land I plan on buying. Keep going! And Thank You!
Hi I'm in Auckland NZ and female. I have a Myers Briggs INTJ personality type which reportedly made up over 90% of viewers on the dothemath website (similar limits to growth theme as your material Nate). It's an uncommon personality type for a female. I suspect people following TGS live within cultural if not geographical fringes of the westernised world. Cultural islands compared with the more monolithic feel of Asia or North America, for instance. I think kiwis and Ozzies more frequently exhibit an anti-establishment mindset. I think it's a great idea to explore the psychology required to transition to a degrowth sustainable economy, aiming towards communities of reciprocity, care and belonging. Priortising seratonin and oxytocin over dopemine. Then try to figure out how we could possibly transition/alter our current urban and rural infrastructure to function according to those values and priorities. We're definitely going to have to think outside of mainstream, be sure of what's important and yes there will be a lot upheaval and suffering along the way.
This doesn't surprise me. A while back, I did some SEO research into keywords. To my surprise, words like 'sustainability', 'permaculture', 'environmental activism' 'climate change' etc were used in Australia more frequently, per capita, than anywhere else in the English-speaking world.
Having grown up on an island off the coast of Maine, I would be curious to know if any studies have been done regarding the psychology of island folks regarding community and environment vs mainlanders. I was very pleased to see you have Joseph Tainter on the program, his work is criminally underrated. Ophuls as well. I would off that one of the most damning obstacles we face is the fact that these issues are really predicaments with outcomes and not problems with solutions. No one really wants to face that reality. I suspect this is one of the reasons that Tainter is not more popular, he offers no magical green solutions to the issues we face. Probably because he understands that there aren't any. William Rees, who would be a wonderful guest, once stated something to the effect that the only way to truly solve this crisis is a radical reduction of consumption: the poor nations would have to remain poor, and the rich nations would have to join them. This is a political impossibility for all sides. People simply won't ever agree to it. Governments that tried to implement such policies would quickly be replaced by those that promised to roll it back and return to the "good ole days". Likely by crowds welding torches and pitchforks. I'd recommend William Rees and Sid Smith as possible future guests. You are doing great stuff here, Nate. Cheers.
Thanks Nate. Interesting.... I'm female, based in London, and specialise in the psychological/emotional/spiritual implications of all this. Keep up the great work!
My understanding is that TH-cam skews heavily male - for whatever reason. Women spend more time on social media. So as far as that point goes - I wouldn't put too much stake in it. Anyway, thanks for all your hard work, Nate. Cheers from Croatia.
Hi Nate. I'm male and live in New Zealand and listen or watch your work regularly with my wife. So add another overshoot aware female to your data. We're working to power down and simplify our lives ahead of the wave and sharing our journey and the overshoot / energy story with friends and neighbours. Incidentally we were living in Nelson and now live in the Far North of the North Island. Your message is certainly being heard loud and clear here. You would be welcome here any time. We have 2 dogs who will also make you feel at home. Keep up the great work. Regards Campbell and Nikki Sturrock.
Thanks Nate- I'm living in geographic island of australia. And a woman 😜 In this world I find connectedness in diverse "island" communities I choose to explore across internet land invaluable and heartfelt ricocheting into my way of living and relationships physically and spiritually (of course). About delta- change amplifies in liminal zones, in edges, in discomfort, in dynamics of creative destruction so i appreciate your comments on yr delta position and welcome yr island of one focus next year. Thank you for your channel 🙏
An interesting thing about New Zealand is we are, for the most part, descended from people who did not like the status quo of wherever they were from. That even holds true for our newest New Zealanders. There's a certain psychology of deciding purposely to move to the end of the world. And the underlying reasons that pushed that move have formed part of our shared culture, regardless of ethnicity
I´m a woman i Norway, watching you podcast almost every day. Super-grateful for having accidentally found it. The way you present it is so clear and easy to understand. Thank you. I respect your choice of not promoting, but also find it of utmost importance.. hm.. tough one..
Dear Mr. Hagens, thank you for your profoundly important work and enthusiasm! I'm listening to your podcast from Hungary, Europe, where the political situation is hopeless and will remain so for a quite long time, I guess. But nevertheless it is very inspiring to be able to listen to these enriching and deeply humanistic conversations and thoughts. 🙂😊😊 I wish you and everybody the best. 🙂🙂
It would be interesting to know how your audience compares to Rachel Donald at planet critical. It was your interview by her that was my first introduction to you and your channel. But if the overlap is low there might be an opportunity to grow both audiences by working together again. I suspect Australia and NZ are both places where the climate crisis is more advanced and renewable energy is more common which explains the higher awareness and viewership. Europe might be a good place to try and get more visitors from as it is being forced to wake up to the reality of the energy crisis today.
A woman on an island here, Hawaii! I just sent an email into the internet Outer Space of The Great Simplification ( I think?) saying something similar to what the Guru said… but which is more tweaked towards The complimentary requisite insight to those you highlight in your work is that we’re Not doped up… that the system we built does not sustain/feed/enrich us or our planet if we dig in to what truly gratifys and sustains us (belonging, love, safety, vitality) the rest will follow (with work and angst). Keep up what you do and add the great world of what Womanness carries more to the mix.
Nate am a kiwi I love your heart centered care of all life I love your curiousity I love to have hope for the next generations The concept of belonging Interconnectedness of all life on this beautiful earth Adaprion is constant with the changes all around us "May we not be frightened May we be enlightened "
Don't be hard on yourself. Even spiritual advisor's have teacher's. As learning never stops. You are doing a wonderful service for the global community. So thankyou Nate. I am Australian, I am male, I am never going to tell anyone how to share information nor will I ever tell another human what's wrong with how they send there message... I hope this message gives you strength, positive feedback and most importantly, I want to show my gratitude. Don't hunt for female listeners. Don't try to meet everyone's need's. Otherwise you will waste your time on a never ending spectrum of indifference. Just keep doing what and how you are doing it. Namaste and God bless you. Damo Australia.
Hi Nate - I’m a bit surprised there aren’t more female followers of yours. I’ve “followed” you even back in the oil drum days…Your skill as a communicator is a bright beacon for me. Had a professor share a peak oil curve in the late 90s and this has impacted my mindset ever since. Your work is much appreciated. Consider someone like Tony Seba as a guest? Dialogos? ❤
Hi Nate, I am a woman living on a small island, La Palma, Canaries. If you want I can share with you what I found out about islands and what we know about the indigenous people from here, as they had unique features in the world.
I do get where people could abreact to the information in cognitive dissonance but that also seems like it's the side-effect of something else, such as them overrating their degree of complicity living in a system that won't let them have a roof over their head, or be able to send their kids to decent schools, any other way. What it should do if they're thoughtful about it is train them to look for better alternatives for the same things where they can find them. On another note I've listened to some of Daniel's discussions with people where he talks about his own sense of radical accountability, comes back to the cattle truck at the gas station, says that if he detaches from that to win on his own without changing the world that it's a psychopathic adaptation and isn't really winning when really he just had a better lot, I personally take the same set of observations and temper it with the caveats that for most of human history survival didn't allow for this sort of calculus, we're seeing that our global food supply can still be significantly impacted by both COVID lockdowns and wars in the right places, that we have enough people on the planet that we're stuck using the kinds of amplified fertilizers that we use with the effects on the corral reef that they have, and while it might at least seem to us privately like necessity is at bay it doesn't turn out to quite be the case when that comes to the economics of running our food supply. The non-psychopathic, and I think more normal way to shrink scope, is for people to recognize that the world has huge problems but that they need to dedicate themselves to solving the problems that they themselves are best situated to help handle. Daniel is in a great place to be an excellent communicator and synthesist of ideas and has excellent clarity in terms of bringing together what have too often previously been disparate siloes of information - he's an invaluable resource in terms of framing our problems - but I don't know that it would come down quite the same way for most people to either solve or numb with respect to large-scale problems that hit their radar.
Friend gifted a copy of David McRaneys book How Minds Change. 100 pages in, it's very enlightening. Thanks for your work it's greatly appreciated by this father grandfather great grandfather! Good luck
Cheers Nate, I'm based near Nelson in the Tasman region and am aiming towards doing a psychology masters in pro-social behaviour next year. Not sure yet on what specifics to focus on for this, however, I'd like to delve into the deep drivers of behaviour that influence policy makers decisions that keep us entrapped within the capitalist consumerist construct. Terror Management Theory (TMT) unpacks a whole bunch of interesting factors relating to how we align with worldviews to feel safe, to provide meaning in life, bolster self-esteem and reduce life and death anxieties. A 2019 TMT study looked at the relationship between TMT and climate response, discussing "how climate change may lead to increased mortality awareness" and how "mortality defenses may both limit and advance climate action" (Wolfe & Tubi, 2019). A more recent study from 2021 also looks at this relationship, more specifically in the conversation of carbon taxes (Dang et al., 2021). This study found that "mortality salience is positively associated with materialism whereas self-esteem tends to decrease it" and that "materialism and health consciousness lower and positively influence consumers' willingness to pay extra to offset carbon emissions, respectively" (Dang et al., 2021). In other words, this research suggests that the prominence of mortality on the minds of people increases materialistic views, and that an increase in materialistic views makes people less likely to pay carbon taxes (Dang et al., 2021). This research can and should be applied to strategies for climate mitigation, as reminding people of the potentially catastrophic effects of climate change may actually make people less likely to engage in mitigation behaviors, such as paying carbon taxes. Why not interview a specialist from the TMT field Nate, I think a lot can be uncovered and learnt from this area of human behavior. Tom Pyszczynski, Jeff Greenberg, and Sheldon Solomon are the original researchers who proposed terror management theory.
For your studies I suggest Somatic Experiencing, which explains the role of the ANS and how preemptive it is on the other parts of the NS. We are especially changing behaviour when going from safety to threat, unless we have strong connections of the type people had in tribes, when you can trust them because you know all their life.
I just see some issue with the word terror: - it's an emotion, so needs to be complemented with an embodiment. - it's too strong, so it can create Freeze/dissociation/anesthesia. - it's too strong so People will dismiss the small stages of fear, they will not see they are fear as well. - anger is also important. - it's better to refer to the concept of danger/threat instead of fear, as reactions can be varied, not only fear. See the embodiment of emotions, maybe the book by Raja Selvam.
Female & following from Brussels Belgium. Been following this issue since 2006...linked to you from listening to Richard Heinberg and Post Carbon Institute. Enjoy the psychological aspects and gentle nature of the discussion.
I’m from the island of Mallorca, Spain and can totally agree with your reflection. Great that you bring onboard the perspective of Inner Devopment. Its all a great integration game. Do you know the work of Joana Macey ? She’s the author of The work that reconnects, a process to aid us individually and collectively through the emotional cycle in times in which there is pain, sorrow and fear. This work, the Deep Adaptation movement, and other things such as Budhism and Spirituality are all perhaps the most essential turning point. Macey speaks of the great turning... Much love Nate, thank you for your exceptional work of integration.
I think Carolyn Baker would be a great guest on your podcast to discuss that inner development we all agree should take precedence on the mere expansion of knowledge of our multifaceted predicament.
WRT Riadh and Jeddah, they're islands too--in the desert, instead of the ocean. They're even more isolated from wider natural sustenance than places like New Zealand or Australia, and more dependent on existing supply chains. So it makes sense to me that you'd have clusters of listeners there.
i wonder how many Latvians are following this channel? i live in deep woods of Latvia at the end of the road in middle of nowhere. moved from capital city few years ago when pandemic started, just recently discovered this podcast- very cool! have already a notebook thats filling up rather quickly and a 100year plan:) went to meet the neighbours, closest one 3km. i will need salt someday u know;D
I was surprised men were that much represented and I don't think it's because of who you invite. Following you can have to do with the capacity to not be solution oriented but awareness oriented. It reduces the overwhelm. Problems have individual solutions but at the size of a predicament, only a larger awareness can make rise an organic solution. It can only come from groups, and awareness is individual. So yes to creating islands, and then snowball effect! We don't need few big groups but many small groups. Essential for the Human psychology.
It’s a country of individual states, each being capable to respond in innovative autonomy if they so choose. The indigenous are also an ‘island’ of different values, expression and intelligence, knowing and talking just as you are about the energy that robs them of a sustainable future to seven generations. As a thought, it takes courage to explore a different narrative from the spoon fed media, the media that has been trusted as correct, yet only as correct without journalism. Journalism of course being the maturity of letting the public decide the outcome, cause, thoroughness in time, and the trust invested in asking difficult questions.
It is worth noting Nelson in NZ has suffered from a number of devastasting rain events caused by atmospheric rivers dipping straight south from the equator. Major events on par with what has happened across the Tasman in Australia. I think as many as 8? Within a few years, but recent one was mid august. It is like the southern jetstream is getting wild, similar to northern hemisphere.
Hi Nate, I have in the past been in contact with you (regarding a mutual friend/ecologist/scientist whom we both know) as I have been aware of these issues for over a decade now. In fact my concerns for my young family prompted me to write my own novel 'Barbed Wire and Daisies', which is a post oil dystopian thriller, but most reviews I have received have called it more prophecy than fiction, and said it made them "think about surviving the future and where it may lead". My novel was inspired by "The Long Emergency" by James Kuntsler (2005), which I stumbled across while researching a Communications in the Sciences paper I was writing on Biofuels, (at that time). I'd like to encourage more female viewers to watch your podcast, because I have found you both genuine, knowledgeable and easy to understand and this issue is one which all women/especially mothers should be aware of. By the way, I am one of the New Zealanders you mentioned, who watch your podcast. :) Thank you for making the effort to try to spread your thoughts and learnings. Teresa
I’m a conservative Christian in Texas who listens to you because I want to understand where people I disagree with are coming from . I don’t disagree that changes are happening, only the reasons for them.
thank you. If more people had your attitude and ability to look outside their own beliefs - and listen to others, I expect the world would be a better place - please listen to this weeks (12/7) podcast with Tomas Bjorkman - it's about this same dynamic. Thanks for listening and being curious. (and the reasons for what's coming are complex, but ultimately tied to inability to organically grow the way we did for most of 20th century)
Hello from Melbourne. Hopefully my spreading the word about your show is helping your Oz watcher base. A few point re: Australia, between the cognitive dissonance of our previous govt on climate, fires, risk of sea level rise and now constant floods, Australians have become far more climate focused. We also have the highest rooftop solar per capita with 1kw per person. Sadly our govt is still addicted to growth though and has just replaced consumption with population growth from mass immigration. So we are getting less per person, but overall emissions are still a problem.
My "delta" is as great as anyone's.. It's an everyday battle of good vs. feudalism and complexity. The whole system is set up for failure and it's nearly impossible to escape. Outside of a few small circles like yours one will be branded as an "ist" or :denier" of some kind by simply talking about some of these critical issues. A safe space perhaps. Government and corporations are all designed for exponential growth. It all works until it doesn't. Keep up the good work. BTW, male, living in one of the dark spots on your map called Wyoming, USA.
Hello from Australia! Permaculture having been developed here may be one of the reasons why? Also, it is a bone dry arid disaster prone place bar a few coastal stretches, so maybe that does something to people.
I wouldn't pay any mind to Daniel Schmachtenberger's friend who is concerned about creating internal/cognitive dissonance. What's been great about your work is amplifying such dissonance to help wake us up!!
Thank you for saying this. I think the fact that the general population is not trusted by our government and corporate leaders to be able to handle information about our many predicaments is part of why the US, for one, is so dysfunctional. On some deep level nearly everyone knows something is seriously wrong. If collapse is inevitable it’s past time for us all to psychologically, morally and spiritually prepare.
@@tuckerbugeater Yep, that’s exactly what I’m doing. As are you, although actually you are only criticizing; not engaging in actual conversation. What did you find offensive in what I said? What do you disagree with? What do you think?What is your opinion?
Perhaps to cultivate the right mindset we need to expand & promote more vigorously those local projects that aim to improve climate resilience. It may not yet have the greatest urgency in the developed world but there are still many people who want to get involved at local community level. This perhaps appeals to 2 main age groupings - (1) the 15-25's with the energy & idealism who want a better future than forecast, & (2) Retired seniors with time on their hands who want to "put something back" into the community. This local approach is already being adopted as a means of survival now in developing countries, particularly with efforts to improve hydrology infrastructure in drought-prone regions, but activists in the developed world will likely respond to better support & encouragement to get similarly involved in local projects? Of course climate breakdown is just one aspect of the multiple threats to our civilization but building a network of active local communities may help. Perhaps a graphic of a national or State-wide grid of such local projects could be produced where people could reflect with pride their small contribution to the big picture? Building small & growing big.
Hi Nate. I think you raised a critically important question. Why are only 19 percent of your viewers women? I have been pondering for some time why men are the primary viewers and participants of intellectual dark web and poly crisis type podcasts. My feminist bona fides of the last generation of feminists are impeccable but my thoughts are now considered seriously politically incorrect. Most of us truly believed that men and women were different, that female brains were fundamentally different than male brains, and well, that at least among the many women I knew the female brain/female thinking was considered superior. At that time we were not thinking about how exciting it would be to have all the CEOs of the top five military/industrial corporations be female. Which actually finally occurred not that long ago. I don’t know if it is nature or nurture but there is a huge difference in what kind of communication and analysis is preferred by men vs women. The rollicking fast free wheeling and sometimes argumentative nature of “intellectual conversation “ as one finds on many podcasts is not a typically female style. It happens that this style of conversation is what I was raised with and especially enjoy. Is it nature or nurture I don’t know, but political correctness aside, it simply doesn’t matter. The success of your project (and I consider it to be mine) depends on recognizing the need for a range of different communication and analytic styles. The answer is NOT to have more women qua women on this podcast. More women who are speaking in the preferred language of your audience, sure that would be great. But as I have thought about the matter since I listened to you today I realized that for us to reach women is critical. (Political incorrectness warning) we the women are the ones who raise the kids and teach them their most basic values. (I know a lot of you dads out there are trying but…well … maybe…). In many, many ways women carry an overwhelming amount of influence in our culture. Because of my life path I have personally become fluent in two very different communication styles. In addition to fast paced intellectuals I spend a great deal of time with sacred/spiritual storytellers. Not all women. It is time to figure out ways to carry our message to more than one type of audience.
Hi there!! I am a WOMAN and have lived so far since I left my native Brazil in 3 islands and now on the smallest of them all- Mallorca, Spain. I feel that the sense of ‘community’ is not necessarily created or facilitated by the size of a place but by the size of one’s HEART and UNDERSTANDING of community and its importance. But I hear what you are saying…LITERALLY 😉
You’ve hit the nail on the Nate as we know the rich 0:16 listers are already buying up land let alone building bunkers here Keep up your fascinating insights into our precious earths future Come to New Zealand with your family and find out more regarding our culture and way of living 🌏💖
Interesting to hear the analytics. Years ago I spent a summer in NZ and found them to be some of the most friendly and down-to-earth people I'd ever met -- very community oriented and enjoying life. Wonder if you've ever heard of Gail Tverberg? She might be a good female guest for your channel.
Sobering. When you both speak of building relationship, it reminds me of the work of Gabor Mate. He's defined how our modern world has denatured humans with denaturing the parent-child bond and a complete disregard for the biopsychosocial development of the human brain. If we survive, I hope sfor a redressing of this detrimental neglect. When I follow topics on the great simplification, the discussions are mostly the sciences of energy, systems, economics, but we will need to evolve with honest reckoning and commitment to the 25-26 years that it ftakes for human brains to develop fully, and what that means.
Your ideas and inspirations are highly appreciated by this female follower from Berlin, Germany. Trying to bridge the delta I call Ambiguitätstoleranz. How can we live a healthy and wholesome life in an destructive society and also with destructive inner parts, that's the question I ask myself on a daily basis.
Australia and New Zealand are also "young" nations, apart from the indigenous cultures. As an Australian, I'd say Australia, taken as a whole, has virtually no culture. It's like a teenager looking for an identity or a role in the world. But that's a good thing because it means we aren't stuck in old experiences and worldviews. We don't have that heavy European history of constant warfare. Australia is like the Garden of Eden. Our naivety keeps us open to a new potential. If we get it right, Australia could be a birthplace for a new civilisation. Also, in the last 5 years or so, we've had three floods and an epic bushfire. The smoke from the fire came into the Sydney CBD and we couldn't see across the harbour and we could see and smell the smoke on the fifth floor of the big CBD shopping mall (Westfield, Sydney). Of course, Australian flora is genetically prone to bushfires, but it felt quite cataclysmic, especially when the floods happened so close to it. Lastly, Australia and New Zealand are rich in natural resources and food production. So, I don't think we want to move to older countries. Instead, we suspect that there will be a mass migration to our countries to get away from potential starvation, disasters, and wars (civil and international).
Oh sh.t sorry Nate I left my laptop looping on your yt channel while I was at Chandrakirti doing a 3 month silent retreat. That's a joke But seriously that's kinda depressing. Apparently I live in the hot bed of sense making or systems thinking, Nelson NZ. I had assumed that people were starting to understand what we are up against World wide and maybe I lived in a backwater. Much love Che
I think you have it completely backwards Nate. We are at the beginning of the supply chain. The ships we notice are the ones loading our commodities ( milk meat timber etc) from our increasingly strip mined soils and taking them away to feed the cities of the world. I don't feel precarious here in paradise Nelson NZ.
Due to our isolation we kiwis are travellers. We have been on the 200kph train south from Tokyo where for 2 hours all you see in cities. We have walked in the silent forests of sumatra. We have explored the horizonless smogbound cities of India and the Middle East and west USA. We know what growth looks like, and we hold our paradise precious. We have a lot to lose.
Many people have some difficulties in ordering just the routine of their daily lives, so looking into next month, or next year becomes difficult except for selected dates like birthdays, anniversaries, main events etc. With regard to climate breakdown, energy availability/cost, & environmental degradation/biodiversity loss etc, - the further we look into the future then the larger the snowball of increased frequency & combinations of adverse events is portrayed. This is too much for many people to take in, particularly as remedial solutions have little chance of being implemented by the global power elite. Thus its easy to see that the majority will either switch off, or go into denial about a multitudinous menu of scenarios outside their control, & perhaps outside their cognition too. The intellectual classes can rationalize a swathe of adverse of adverse scenarios but for most people I guess they just revert to our primitive instincts to prioritize the here & now. Thus its perhaps too much to expect (without Government mandates) that the majority can embrace the behavior changes needed now to combat the numerous & non-specific threats on the horizon.
It’s interesting as Australia is so focussed on mining. The accepted wisdom is that we are heading into another mining boom, but that it will be copper, nickel and lithium this time compared with coal and iron ore last time.
Hey Nate, I love your podcasts and I have a request: I just read "To Speak for the Trees" by Diana Beresford Kroeger and it's one of the most inspirational books I've ever read. Any chance you could interview her? She's living in Canada now. Thanks!
Maybe the viewer is registered under the 'husband'. I'm one of your Wisconsin subs who listens to the entirety of your podcasts. Not many worthy of that! Sometimes with the extra stimulating (to me) podcasts my attention is diverted to my circumstance of which then I miss minutes because I am thinking instead of listening. So now I listen again, and again. The Holmgren podcast really had me thinking!
Islands also have the advantage of aligning bioregional ecological boundaries with political boundaries. Furthermore, the population of island nations like Aotearoa New Zealand is relatively small, resulting in shorter social distances between people and in more cohesive communities. This perhaps allows a larger number of people to feel and at times acknowledge the cognitive dissonance between local lived communal reality and the abstract institutions of government, industry, and academia in the neoliberal era. There are further factors to consider. Aotearoa New Zealand is closely linked to many small island nations in the Pacific, where the effects of climate change and ecological destruction are highly visible and increasingly life threatening for the local population.
Nate doesnt use the same language but what is needed is a Spiritual Awakening. Dopamine Seratonin Oxytocin calibrated to achieve balance. It was attempted in the 70s , back-to-earth hippies, Jimmy Carter but that sputtered and didnt gain mainstream traction unfortunately. 50 years later, little runway left, we know a lot more about neuroscience and influence and need to try again!
I'm a kiwi, and my guess is that it might have something to do with very active and engaged Facebook groups around your work (one in particular comes to mind). My sense of kiwis isn't that we're particularly engaged and aware of the things you talk about. We don't really talk about serious or interesting things, but we are polite and friendly.
I think the environmental concern is pretty big in nz. Nate talks about that stuff a bit. It's heartening that other NZers are listening to this kinda stuff
@@Dilmahkana I think most people here care about the environment, but also our most popular car purchase over the last year or couple of years has been the Ford Ranger. I hope those of us who are grappling with the depths of these things can innovate here and build alternatives. There are plenty of wonderful people here.
I'm in regional Australia and am new to farming, I think I found your podcast whilst researching different ways to get away from conventional farming, there are some brilliant experts and organisations here to learn from when it comes to regenerative agriculture, Walter jehne, Charles massy, Christine Jones, amongst others, but locally here I feel quite alone. Mostly I interact with Christians in my spare time and I have a hard time trying to get the message through to them. It's very disappointing given I see that what is going on is written into the bible and present it through that lens.
I'm also in regional Oz (Central Vic) and definitely relate to that. I just checked out some of your experts. Thanks for sharing. I have just finished my permaculture design certificate and am looking now to build it out. If you haven't already checked them out I would recommend Andrew Milison or Geof Lawton as other experienced experts. Good luck with the message. I am betting on my success and commitment in the regen/permy space as my way through to them. If not, at least I can feed myself and grow with a like minded community
Female viewer from the UK! I value you and your guests so much for the humility, insight, intellectual rigour and deep care that characterises all your work. Thank you. Have you come across the work of Sally Weintrobe, a Fellow of The British Psychoanalytical Society? Her book 'Psycholgical Roots of the Climate Crisis: neoliberalism and the culture of uncare' is a fantastic read delivered with a wry sense of humour and certainly helped my understanding of the issues.
What kind of internal/cognitive dissonance will be experienced by those who’s “delta” ……from how they are living their life and what they know is too wide ……when the shit really hits the fan? Seems like one way or the other the drinking, self-medicating, anxiety and depression are going to come when our personal deltas get flooded with reality. Why postpone an opportunity for a possibility to “recover”? Pain is one hell of a good motivator for personal growth. I thankyou for messing with my comfort!
Riyadh and Jeddah are interesting as members of the top 15 cities. Saudi Arabia has already had a peak of sorts, being peak prosperity with living standards diluted since the 1980s by lower oil prices compared to the oil shocks of the 1970s and a rapidly increasing population. The oil reserves of the kingdom are suspected as being political more than geological and Saudi oil may have peaked. Jeddah has seen "peak skyscraper" with their one kilometre tower which was to be the world's tallest building has seemingly been abandoned with no work since March 2018 and only half finished following a corruption and embezzlement scandal. Now the kingdom is talking about their "linear city" which will be a 100 floor building hundreds of kms long with 10 million people. Peak vanity project I think. There may be something to living in an extractive nation like Saudi Arabia or Australia that makes one aware of mineral limits. Growing up in outback Australia in a mining town I have seen mines close
As corny as it may sound, it occurred to me recently that, in the lunatic world we all now live in, you yourself are valuable "natural resource". I cannot thank you enough for all your efforts. You have somewhat restored my respect for the human species.
6:06 Don't worry Nate, I have a huge "Delta" and don't participate in any adverse behavior. I exercise every day. I don't drink or use drugs / pharmaceuticals. I am not even C19 vaccinated ;) There is no "disservice" here.
I'm guessing the reason why there are a lot of viewers from Riyadh and Mecca is that many people in Saudi Arabia are aware that their oil wealth won't last forever and that their country doesn't have a lot of arable land or fresh water.
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Nate, I'm female, Australian. I'm currently doing a Permaculture Design Course with David Holgrem and you were discussed and listed as a resource. I've been following you prior to that and was pleased to hear your name come up as a trusted and useful resource. The ENSO cycle has a massive effect on our climate so it's floods and droughts fairly consistently, which I think makes it pretty obvious to us that we are teetering on the edge a lot of the time. In saying that, I think I would not want to move from here (it's my home) but we can grow food, probably ramp up manufacturing, have a smaller population etc. but oil is a problem for us. All the best.
Hello from Perth, Western Australia 😊I am a female viewer, I appreciate your gentle way of sharing your knowledge and your wisdom with those who are ready for it ❤
As hyperbolic as I know it will sound, I truly belief that your message and your informed, intelligent presentation is one of the last remaining hopes for the human species. You have the luxury of being uncensored by your sponsorship and are able to speak inconvenient truths to millions all over the world. You are kind enough to share the profound wisdom of many deep thinkers, and avoid the specious proclamations of poets, priests and politicians. Bless you, may good, good man. Your efforts ARE much appreciated and sorely needed.
If you figure out that Oprah book club, collective situation, I’m in.
Nate, 54 percent of YT users are male. 80 like 70.
I'm in Sydney Australia.... It's the fires and now the floods. People's eyes are opening.... And the fact that 99% of Australia's liquid fuels come on a boat from overseas....
I am in perth australia, my state is fossil fuels.. natural gas and massive mining central..i dont know anyone else that takes my perspective.. which concurs with yours..but people are worried as we see worsening changes..I got to this because I am curious , i love the natural world, and have a scientific mind, and I worked in heavy industry for decades so I saw the enormity of the industrial project, but I really only saw a tiny bit of it.. I also understand exponential growth and a bit of thermodynamics..I just keep learning from people like you..and am grateful to you and your guests..
I share your view mate.
I work in gas/elec. They definitely promote people in these fields who are willfully blind to any of these issues. I would be labeled a radical for even posing these questions...still I have a mission to hand my CEO a copy of The Super Organism and tell him to read it if you care for your kids and want to get out of the echo chamber....
Female from Connecticut here to say I really enjoy your podcast and TH-cam channel. Thanks for sharing the demographics information on your listeners, I always find that sort of information interesting. I've been listening now for a couple of months and working my way through the back episodes. I find the way you think about and present these topics to be very interesting and it makes a lot of sense to me. I've tried to explain some of the concepts and information to friends a few time, and found the most welcome approach has an emphasize community engagement and building a strong local support system for one another. This seems to be especially engaging to other women.
Woman are leading the way... A great expansion of Ecofeminism is just about the only cultural and psychological change that gives me any hope. Vandana Shiva recently interviewed by Nate is a wonderful expression of Ecofeminism of mind, spirit and action.
I'm an elderly member of the 19% of your followers. Recently I purchased a tiny home and am learning how to live there contentedly. Your program is something that I recommend to any and all who are interested in a more complete and more realistic analysis of our current situation regarding energy. I hope more women join the conversation. It's so important and I sincerely thank you for sharing your knowledge.
There's a difference between voluntarily choosing minimalism and being forced to choose it.
There are a *lot* of women working on climate related projects, not sure the ratio but anecdotally the number looks huge, so maybe they're already involved, just not in the systems perspective chat.
Very interesting regarding islands and I would like to share something I briefly lived through, which transformed my way of thinking, whilst on an island, off Auckland, New Zealand. That island is Waiheke Island which in 2011, when I moved there, was not that well known outside of New Zealand. Outside of the Spring-Summer months Waiheke has a population of around 9,000; it has no reticulation so drinking water is mostly from rainwater collection in tanks and waste disposal, largely via septic systems. It was the closest I had ever come, at that time, to living in a circular system. In my time there I saw two things which were striking to me. Firstly, there was a fairly famous sculpture exhibition "Sculpture On The Gulf". In addition to normal Summer tourism of around 30,000 at peak, there were even more visitors. Bearing in mind that the island infrastructure was built to accommodate 9,000 people, what ensued with around 34,000 visitors was chaotic. Ferries couldn't cope, busses couldn't cope and septic systems overflowed; that was my first true encounter with finite systems overwhelmed; all systems are finite, everywhere, in my opinion. The second occurrence around 1 year later, was the worst drought in New Zealand in living memory. Bearing in mind, Waiheke Island depends on rainwater capture, there were two commercial wells on the island and right before the drought broke, water deliveries were out to 8 weeks from order. As I say; all systems are finite.
Interesting perspective!
I live on an island and we definitely have clearer limits. What is too big is not grasped by our intelligence! It stays theory!
Interesting topic Nate. Those of us who live at the outposts of advanced modernity (like my city of Perth) do seem to observe the precariousness of high complexity societies and supply chains, as you’ve pointed out. In my own case, it’s partially caused by the awareness that my home state of WA is utterly dependent on global trade and the complexity and abundant energy that makes it possible, our population is so small that we can’t possibly be self sufficient for even a 1960’s standard of living for any appreciable length of time. It feels like walking along the edge of a cliff…what if global trade and supply chains are impacted for even a few weeks…we would revert to an early industrial society rather quickly…in my view.
I’d love to see you in Oz sometime!
I (a female in Alberta, Canada) appreciate your calm, informed voice of wisdom; you help keep my optimisms strong and i thank you deeply for that.
Another good Frankly video, thanks for that :) As for large portions of your audience living on islands, most of the world's population lives near the coasts anyway. Australia had some seriously bad wild fires and London was 40 degrees C last summer. I think having a front row seat to the end of the world probably motivates some people to try to understand why this is happening.
I like the fact that you don't water down your message by worrying about people's psychological resilience or development. I think your channel is a great "tool" for teachers to use where it is up to the teacher to manage the psychological profiles of their students. That is how it has been helpful to me. Enormously helpful.
IMO the channel does water down its message.
Bonnitta, I hope that Nate will consider having you on the podcast in one of the future episodes that explores the needed inner transition.
@@Miles5859 Yes! good idea.
In society, conversations on climate change is beginning . Most Gurus and followers are afraid of the human predicament .
Your podcast has been eye-opener . Please keep the good work going .
The gap between knowledge and lifestyle can certainly push people into a period of grief, suffering, despair, anger, confusion. Or maybe push them back to the shallow surface for a while, thinking their current normal must be reality, because the new info is too foreign. In any of those cases, you exposing people to these ideas is literally a miracle and I will accept nothing less than that. Because people NEED that EXPOSURE. Forget trying to influence their opinions in any sense. Just exposure is enough. And getting people to feel deeper, go to the place that is real inside- where there is vulnerability, a real sense of how rare this life is- THAT is the only place people can start from to connect with meaningful change, meaningful living.
You do not have to worry about covering that gap alone. Exposure is step one. I'm a big fan of your work, and it's completely relevant to my own work in youth empowerment & community development. I'm finding little ways to create anchors, to create refuge, and encourage people to strengthen themselves immensely. But all of that is only something people deeply want and care about once they have been startled, or even disturbed, out of their comfortable slumber. Modern comforts are painkillers that keep people half-asleep. The growing pains of waking up are our greatest gift.
I have personally found the people of New Zealand are very active. More so than any other place in the world
I once joked that Kiwis have always been nice us Aussies - usually because they are taking our money at the same time. ;) But they are good people, most also have a brilliant sense of humour as well.
Simon, I have recently found your work and have been sharing it with others. IIRC you were also at TheOilDrum. You and Nate have been awesome! Thank you for your work.
My wife and I listen to you on an island in the north of Norway. We recently moved from large cities (Paris and Copenhagen). We are learning a lot. The local community has always grown organic food and welcome people who moved from densely populated area. This video resonates here!
Hello from Finland! The Great Simplification is the best podcast around. Informative, honest, uncompromising. Thanks so much for your work!
I’m a New Zealander exploring the wilderness here and I think there are few factors. Since this is an English language channel the only contenders are anglophone countries and among those New Zealand is probably the most progressive, green country, politically. We promote a lot of eco-tourism so conservation is important to our economy as well. And being recently colonised and so far from major markets, we are aware that we will have to be self sufficient (as we largely were not so long ago) if the shit hits the fan. But it could be an artifice of some zealous Nelson people sharing the videos widely and ya know, everyone knows everyone here, we’re so small 😂
I just found him via Daniel Schmatchenberger haha, that's like 5hrs of listening there. And then stayed for his environmental side of things
I would also add that both Australia and New Zealand have active permaculture groups. I think that’s how I learned about Nate’s Earth Day talks and from there got into the podcasts. It could be interesting to know the viewership stats for Hawaii in comparison.
Yup!
I've been sharing!
Maybe the reason why Nelson, New Zealand has such high numbers is because of ASPO-Nelson, ASPO-NZ, Transition Towns Nelson. These are all groups I co-founded from early 2000's on. We tried to educate the locals, and mostly failed...or maybe not?
Thanks Nate for acknowledging our ongoing interest in your work!
Kia Kaha M8!
Ted Howard
Nelson, New Zealand
I’m from Barbados, a small island in the Caribbean. Your discussions are at the core of our development challenges- energy, climate, globalization. These issues aren’t abstract, but our lived reality as we struggle to sustain our way of life. Keep the content coming, we are listening!
I agree with everything you said Nate. I live on the southernmost tip of Western Australia. It takes the best part of a day to drive to Perth which is the most isolated city in the world! We see the trucks bringing in supplies to the town every day. So yes, I'm acutely aware of what would happen if the shtf. But I actually feel that where I live will be one of the safest places to be in the world. Even though my town draws much of its income from tourism, their is also small scale agriculture and horticulture here and a population of intelligent and creative, family and community oriented people. We can be self sufficient here. People who aren't in the best position for returning to self sufficiency, ie, city folk and those in areas with high population density, may be too frightened by your message thus prefer not to entertain it. They are so used to having everything at their fingertips they cant fathom things being any different. They live in a different universe. Like you said, fuelled by dopamine, not oxytocin. I'm a small scale horticulture farmer and therefore surrounded by and very dependent on the natural world. My day is filled with nurturing that world which gives me plenty of oxytocin. Love and reverence. A feeling of being part of the cycle of life. I have a healthy respect for its power and it's unpredictability too. I can see how dependant and vulnerable modern humans are. They have lost the connection and oneness. They don't understand the beauty of it and so must seek other pleasures. Tending to nature so that it can sustain me and I can sustain it gives me a sensation like being in love. Nothing beats it.
Taking away enrgy all at once from the cities would be as catastrophic as a large asteroid hitting earth. Even a Carrington event would also achieve that. Hopefully the great simplification will happen slowly enough for people to get through it without too much hardship, violence and chaos
Enough time for them to learn how to live and realise that living simply and sustainably can be rewarding.
Hello, Nate. I'm a female checking in from the the southern US. (I am an anomaly here, for sure.) I appreciate that you are setting the table. I am working in the areas of mental health and spirituality. I see this, living in the time of great dying, as an opportunity. In many ways, I see my current and future life's work as palliative care. Those who know and those who will be experiencing dissonance will be seeking comfort as you described. My intention is to offer alternatives to those maladaptive coping mechanisms you mentioned. I encourage you to continue the good work of discussing the perdicament. This is yours to do. As Ram Dass said, "we are all just walking one another home."
Hi Nate. Longtime Female viewer here. Have learned so much from you and your guests and now trying to figure out how to make my own personal changes to better live a healthy sustainable life. I believe it is a holistic approach as well. Mind, body and spirit aligned. We are all connected so finding others (who are not coming from any radical political or religious position) is what I am looking for here in Idaho. Not easy. My first step, I will be living in an eco village in Costa Rica for 2 months to learn as much as I can and bring what I have learned back home to implement on a small piece of land I plan on buying. Keep going! And Thank You!
Hi I'm in Auckland NZ and female. I have a Myers Briggs INTJ personality type which reportedly made up over 90% of viewers on the dothemath website (similar limits to growth theme as your material Nate). It's an uncommon personality type for a female. I suspect people following TGS live within cultural if not geographical fringes of the westernised world. Cultural islands compared with the more monolithic feel of Asia or North America, for instance. I think kiwis and Ozzies more frequently exhibit an anti-establishment mindset.
I think it's a great idea to explore the psychology required to transition to a degrowth sustainable economy, aiming towards communities of reciprocity, care and belonging. Priortising seratonin and oxytocin over dopemine. Then try to figure out how we could possibly transition/alter our current urban and rural infrastructure to function according to those values and priorities. We're definitely going to have to think outside of mainstream, be sure of what's important and yes there will be a lot upheaval and suffering along the way.
This doesn't surprise me. A while back, I did some SEO research into keywords. To my surprise, words like 'sustainability', 'permaculture', 'environmental activism' 'climate change' etc were used in Australia more frequently, per capita, than anywhere else in the English-speaking world.
Having grown up on an island off the coast of Maine, I would be curious to know if any studies have been done regarding the psychology of island folks regarding community and environment vs mainlanders.
I was very pleased to see you have Joseph Tainter on the program, his work is criminally underrated. Ophuls as well.
I would off that one of the most damning obstacles we face is the fact that these issues are really predicaments with outcomes and not problems with solutions. No one really wants to face that reality. I suspect this is one of the reasons that Tainter is not more popular, he offers no magical green solutions to the issues we face. Probably because he understands that there aren't any.
William Rees, who would be a wonderful guest, once stated something to the effect that the only way to truly solve this crisis is a radical reduction of consumption: the poor nations would have to remain poor, and the rich nations would have to join them. This is a political impossibility for all sides. People simply won't ever agree to it. Governments that tried to implement such policies would quickly be replaced by those that promised to roll it back and return to the "good ole days". Likely by crowds welding torches and pitchforks.
I'd recommend William Rees and Sid Smith as possible future guests.
You are doing great stuff here, Nate. Cheers.
Yes, in islands we can see the limits of our planets, it's not just mental but real.
@@xiscanicolas6009 maybe don't live next to an angry body of water
Thanks Nate. Interesting.... I'm female, based in London, and specialise in the psychological/emotional/spiritual implications of all this. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for rotating the globe 🌻
keep going nate......your the best channel on all of youtube
Great Reflexions and great job Nate! Congrats from Barcelona, Spain!!
Super strong work brother! Thanks for all you do, Nate!
My understanding is that TH-cam skews heavily male - for whatever reason. Women spend more time on social media. So as far as that point goes - I wouldn't put too much stake in it. Anyway, thanks for all your hard work, Nate.
Cheers from Croatia.
I'm one of those NZ listeners! In my top 5 podcasts. There's nothing else quite like this one. Thank you for what you do
Same! It's my top 2 on Spotify 😊
Hi Nate. I'm male and live in New Zealand and listen or watch your work regularly with my wife. So add another overshoot aware female to your data.
We're working to power down and simplify our lives ahead of the wave and sharing our journey and the overshoot / energy story with friends and neighbours. Incidentally we were living in Nelson and now live in the Far North of the North Island. Your message is certainly being heard loud and clear here. You would be welcome here any time. We have 2 dogs who will also make you feel at home. Keep up the great work. Regards Campbell and Nikki Sturrock.
Thanks Nate- I'm living in geographic island of australia. And a woman 😜 In this world I find connectedness in diverse "island" communities I choose to explore across internet land invaluable and heartfelt ricocheting into my way of living and relationships physically and spiritually (of course). About delta- change amplifies in liminal zones, in edges, in discomfort, in dynamics of creative destruction so i appreciate your comments on yr delta position and welcome yr island of one focus next year. Thank you for your channel 🙏
An interesting thing about New Zealand is we are, for the most part, descended from people who did not like the status quo of wherever they were from. That even holds true for our newest New Zealanders. There's a certain psychology of deciding purposely to move to the end of the world. And the underlying reasons that pushed that move have formed part of our shared culture, regardless of ethnicity
I´m a woman i Norway, watching you podcast almost every day. Super-grateful for having accidentally found it. The way you present it is so clear and easy to understand. Thank you. I respect your choice of not promoting, but also find it of utmost importance.. hm.. tough one..
Hi Nate, I am proud to be one of your female followers!
Dear Mr. Hagens, thank you for your profoundly important work and enthusiasm! I'm listening to your podcast from Hungary, Europe, where the political situation is hopeless and will remain so for a quite long time, I guess. But nevertheless it is very inspiring to be able to listen to these enriching and deeply humanistic conversations and thoughts. 🙂😊😊 I wish you and everybody the best. 🙂🙂
It would be interesting to know how your audience compares to Rachel Donald at planet critical. It was your interview by her that was my first introduction to you and your channel. But if the overlap is low there might be an opportunity to grow both audiences by working together again.
I suspect Australia and NZ are both places where the climate crisis is more advanced and renewable energy is more common which explains the higher awareness and viewership. Europe might be a good place to try and get more visitors from as it is being forced to wake up to the reality of the energy crisis today.
A woman on an island here, Hawaii! I just sent an email into the internet Outer Space of The Great Simplification ( I think?) saying something similar to what the Guru said… but which is more tweaked towards
The complimentary requisite insight to those you highlight in your work is that we’re Not doped up… that the system we built does not sustain/feed/enrich us or our planet
if we dig in to what truly gratifys and sustains us (belonging, love, safety, vitality) the rest will follow (with work and angst). Keep up what you do and add the great world of what Womanness carries more to the mix.
Very interesting. Thank you. 👍
Nate am a kiwi
I love your heart centered care of all life
I love your curiousity
I love to have hope for the next generations
The concept of belonging
Interconnectedness of all life on this beautiful earth
Adaprion is constant with the changes all around us
"May we not be frightened
May we be enlightened "
Don't be hard on yourself.
Even spiritual advisor's have teacher's.
As learning never stops.
You are doing a wonderful service for the global community.
So thankyou Nate.
I am Australian,
I am male,
I am never going to tell anyone how to share information nor will I ever tell another human what's wrong with how they send there message...
I hope this message gives you strength, positive feedback and most importantly, I want to show my gratitude.
Don't hunt for female listeners.
Don't try to meet everyone's need's.
Otherwise you will waste your time on a never ending spectrum of indifference.
Just keep doing what and how you are doing it.
Namaste and God bless you.
Damo
Australia.
Hi Nate - I’m a bit surprised there aren’t more female followers of yours. I’ve “followed” you even back in the oil drum days…Your skill as a communicator is a bright beacon for me. Had a professor share a peak oil curve in the late 90s and this has impacted my mindset ever since. Your work is much appreciated. Consider someone like Tony Seba as a guest? Dialogos? ❤
Hi Nate, I am a woman living on a small island, La Palma, Canaries. If you want I can share with you what I found out about islands and what we know about the indigenous people from here, as they had unique features in the world.
I do get where people could abreact to the information in cognitive dissonance but that also seems like it's the side-effect of something else, such as them overrating their degree of complicity living in a system that won't let them have a roof over their head, or be able to send their kids to decent schools, any other way. What it should do if they're thoughtful about it is train them to look for better alternatives for the same things where they can find them.
On another note I've listened to some of Daniel's discussions with people where he talks about his own sense of radical accountability, comes back to the cattle truck at the gas station, says that if he detaches from that to win on his own without changing the world that it's a psychopathic adaptation and isn't really winning when really he just had a better lot, I personally take the same set of observations and temper it with the caveats that for most of human history survival didn't allow for this sort of calculus, we're seeing that our global food supply can still be significantly impacted by both COVID lockdowns and wars in the right places, that we have enough people on the planet that we're stuck using the kinds of amplified fertilizers that we use with the effects on the corral reef that they have, and while it might at least seem to us privately like necessity is at bay it doesn't turn out to quite be the case when that comes to the economics of running our food supply. The non-psychopathic, and I think more normal way to shrink scope, is for people to recognize that the world has huge problems but that they need to dedicate themselves to solving the problems that they themselves are best situated to help handle. Daniel is in a great place to be an excellent communicator and synthesist of ideas and has excellent clarity in terms of bringing together what have too often previously been disparate siloes of information - he's an invaluable resource in terms of framing our problems - but I don't know that it would come down quite the same way for most people to either solve or numb with respect to large-scale problems that hit their radar.
Friend gifted a copy of David McRaneys book How Minds Change. 100 pages in, it's very enlightening. Thanks for your work it's greatly appreciated by this father grandfather great grandfather! Good luck
Simon Clark just introduced me to Eunice Nelson Foote! Delightful! Thanks for all you do. 😊
Cheers Nate, I'm based near Nelson in the Tasman region and am aiming towards doing a psychology masters in pro-social behaviour next year. Not sure yet on what specifics to focus on for this, however, I'd like to delve into the deep drivers of behaviour that influence policy makers decisions that keep us entrapped within the capitalist consumerist construct.
Terror Management Theory (TMT) unpacks a whole bunch of interesting factors relating to how we align with worldviews to feel safe, to provide meaning in life, bolster self-esteem and reduce life and death anxieties.
A 2019 TMT study looked at the relationship between TMT and climate response, discussing "how climate change may lead to increased mortality awareness" and how "mortality defenses may both limit and advance climate action" (Wolfe & Tubi, 2019). A more recent study from 2021 also looks at this relationship, more specifically in the conversation of carbon taxes (Dang et al., 2021).
This study found that "mortality salience is positively associated with materialism whereas self-esteem tends to decrease it" and that "materialism and health consciousness lower and positively influence consumers' willingness to pay extra to offset carbon emissions, respectively" (Dang et al., 2021).
In other words, this research suggests that the prominence of mortality on the minds of people increases materialistic views, and that an increase in materialistic views makes people less likely to pay carbon taxes (Dang et al., 2021).
This research can and should be applied to strategies for climate mitigation, as reminding people of the potentially catastrophic effects of climate change may actually make people less likely to engage in mitigation behaviors, such as paying carbon taxes. Why not interview a specialist from the TMT field Nate, I think a lot can be uncovered and learnt from this area of human behavior. Tom Pyszczynski, Jeff Greenberg, and Sheldon Solomon are the original researchers who proposed terror management theory.
For your studies I suggest Somatic Experiencing, which explains the role of the ANS and how preemptive it is on the other parts of the NS.
We are especially changing behaviour when going from safety to threat, unless we have strong connections of the type people had in tribes, when you can trust them because you know all their life.
I just see some issue with the word terror:
- it's an emotion, so needs to be complemented with an embodiment.
- it's too strong, so it can create Freeze/dissociation/anesthesia.
- it's too strong so People will dismiss the small stages of fear, they will not see they are fear as well.
- anger is also important.
- it's better to refer to the concept of danger/threat instead of fear, as reactions can be varied, not only fear.
See the embodiment of emotions, maybe the book by Raja Selvam.
Female & following from Brussels Belgium. Been following this issue since 2006...linked to you from listening to Richard Heinberg and Post Carbon Institute. Enjoy the psychological aspects and gentle nature of the discussion.
I’m from the island of Mallorca, Spain and can totally agree with your reflection. Great that you bring onboard the perspective of Inner Devopment. Its all a great integration game. Do you know the work of Joana Macey ? She’s the author of The work that reconnects, a process to aid us individually and collectively through the emotional cycle in times in which there is pain, sorrow and fear. This work, the Deep Adaptation movement, and other things such as Budhism and Spirituality are all perhaps the most essential turning point. Macey speaks of the great turning... Much love Nate, thank you for your exceptional work of integration.
Australia New Zealand speaking tour :)
I think Carolyn Baker would be a great guest on your podcast to discuss that inner development we all agree should take precedence on the mere expansion of knowledge of our multifaceted predicament.
You are a beacon, sir!
WRT Riadh and Jeddah, they're islands too--in the desert, instead of the ocean. They're even more isolated from wider natural sustenance than places like New Zealand or Australia, and more dependent on existing supply chains. So it makes sense to me that you'd have clusters of listeners there.
i wonder how many Latvians are following this channel? i live in deep woods of Latvia at the end of the road in middle of nowhere. moved from capital city few years ago when pandemic started, just recently discovered this podcast- very cool! have already a notebook thats filling up rather quickly and a 100year plan:) went to meet the neighbours, closest one 3km. i will need salt someday u know;D
I was surprised men were that much represented and I don't think it's because of who you invite.
Following you can have to do with the capacity to not be solution oriented but awareness oriented. It reduces the overwhelm.
Problems have individual solutions but at the size of a predicament, only a larger awareness can make rise an organic solution. It can only come from groups, and awareness is individual.
So yes to creating islands, and then snowball effect!
We don't need few big groups but many small groups.
Essential for the Human psychology.
Gday from Victoria, Australia
It’s a country of individual states, each being capable to respond in innovative autonomy if they so choose.
The indigenous are also an ‘island’ of different values, expression and intelligence, knowing and talking just as you are about the energy that robs them of a sustainable future to seven generations.
As a thought, it takes courage to explore a different narrative from the spoon fed media, the media that has been trusted as correct, yet only as correct without journalism.
Journalism of course being the maturity of letting the public decide the outcome, cause, thoroughness in time, and the trust invested in asking difficult questions.
It is worth noting Nelson in NZ has suffered from a number of devastasting rain events caused by atmospheric rivers dipping straight south from the equator.
Major events on par with what has happened across the Tasman in Australia. I think as many as 8? Within a few years, but recent one was mid august. It is like the southern jetstream is getting wild, similar to northern hemisphere.
Hi Nate, I have in the past been in contact with you (regarding a mutual friend/ecologist/scientist whom we both know) as I have been aware of these issues for over a decade now. In fact my concerns for my young family prompted me to write my own novel 'Barbed Wire and Daisies', which is a post oil dystopian thriller, but most reviews I have received have called it more prophecy than fiction, and said it made them "think about surviving the future and where it may lead". My novel was inspired by "The Long Emergency" by James Kuntsler (2005), which I stumbled across while researching a Communications in the Sciences paper I was writing on Biofuels, (at that time). I'd like to encourage more female viewers to watch your podcast, because I have found you both genuine, knowledgeable and easy to understand and this issue is one which all women/especially mothers should be aware of. By the way, I am one of the New Zealanders you mentioned, who watch your podcast. :) Thank you for making the effort to try to spread your thoughts and learnings. Teresa
Greetings from Spain, Nate!
I’m a conservative Christian in Texas who listens to you because I want to understand where people I disagree with are coming from . I don’t disagree that changes are happening, only the reasons for them.
thank you. If more people had your attitude and ability to look outside their own beliefs - and listen to others, I expect the world would be a better place - please listen to this weeks (12/7) podcast with Tomas Bjorkman - it's about this same dynamic. Thanks for listening and being curious. (and the reasons for what's coming are complex, but ultimately tied to inability to organically grow the way we did for most of 20th century)
@@thegreatsimplification will do . Btw, I have a podcast as well if you’re curious.
Hello from Melbourne. Hopefully my spreading the word about your show is helping your Oz watcher base. A few point re: Australia, between the cognitive dissonance of our previous govt on climate, fires, risk of sea level rise and now constant floods, Australians have become far more climate focused. We also have the highest rooftop solar per capita with 1kw per person. Sadly our govt is still addicted to growth though and has just replaced consumption with population growth from mass immigration. So we are getting less per person, but overall emissions are still a problem.
My "delta" is as great as anyone's.. It's an everyday battle of good vs. feudalism and complexity. The whole system is set up for failure and it's nearly impossible to escape. Outside of a few small circles like yours one will be branded as an "ist" or :denier" of some kind by simply talking about some of these critical issues. A safe space perhaps. Government and corporations are all designed for exponential growth. It all works until it doesn't. Keep up the good work. BTW, male, living in one of the dark spots on your map called Wyoming, USA.
Hello from Australia! Permaculture having been developed here may be one of the reasons why? Also, it is a bone dry arid disaster prone place bar a few coastal stretches, so maybe that does something to people.
just did my PDC. Very exciting time for us!
I think that you might have a point there Roberto :)
Representing Phoenix, AZ and the Sonoran Desert over here!
I wouldn't pay any mind to Daniel Schmachtenberger's friend who is concerned about creating internal/cognitive dissonance. What's been great about your work is amplifying such dissonance to help wake us up!!
Thank you for saying this. I think the fact that the general population is not trusted by our government and corporate leaders to be able to handle information about our many predicaments is part of why the US, for one, is so dysfunctional. On some deep level nearly everyone knows something is seriously wrong. If collapse is inevitable it’s past time for us all to psychologically, morally and spiritually prepare.
@@jennysteves speak for yourself
@@tuckerbugeater Yep, that’s exactly what I’m doing. As are you, although actually you are only criticizing; not engaging in actual conversation. What did you find offensive in what I said? What do you disagree with? What do you think?What is your opinion?
Perhaps to cultivate the right mindset we need to expand & promote more vigorously those local projects that aim to improve climate resilience. It may not yet have the greatest urgency in the developed world but there are still many people who want to get involved at local community level. This perhaps appeals to 2 main age groupings - (1) the 15-25's with the energy & idealism who want a better future than forecast, & (2) Retired seniors with time on their hands who want to "put something back" into the community.
This local approach is already being adopted as a means of survival now in developing countries, particularly with efforts to improve hydrology infrastructure in drought-prone regions, but activists in the developed world will likely respond to better support & encouragement to get similarly involved in local projects?
Of course climate breakdown is just one aspect of the multiple threats to our civilization but building a network of active local communities may help. Perhaps a graphic of a national or State-wide grid of such local projects could be produced where people could reflect with pride their small contribution to the big picture? Building small & growing big.
Hi Nate. I think you raised a critically important question. Why are only 19 percent of your viewers women? I have been pondering for some time why men are the primary viewers and participants of intellectual dark web and poly crisis type podcasts. My feminist bona fides of the last generation of feminists are impeccable but my thoughts are now considered seriously politically incorrect. Most of us truly believed that men and women were different, that female brains were fundamentally different than male brains, and well, that at least among the many women I knew the female brain/female thinking was considered superior. At that time we were not thinking about how exciting it would be to have all the CEOs of the top five military/industrial corporations be female. Which actually finally occurred not that long ago. I don’t know if it is nature or nurture but there is a huge difference in what kind of communication and analysis is preferred by men vs women. The rollicking fast free wheeling and sometimes argumentative nature of “intellectual conversation “ as one finds on many podcasts is not a typically female style. It happens that this style of conversation is what I was raised with and especially enjoy. Is it nature or nurture I don’t know, but political correctness aside, it simply doesn’t matter. The success of your project (and I consider it to be mine) depends on recognizing the need for a range of different communication and analytic styles. The answer is NOT to have more women qua women on this podcast. More women who are speaking in the preferred language of your audience, sure that would be great. But as I have thought about the matter since I listened to you today I realized that for us to reach women is critical. (Political incorrectness warning) we the women are the ones who raise the kids and teach them their most basic values. (I know a lot of you dads out there are trying but…well … maybe…). In many, many ways women carry an overwhelming amount of influence in our culture. Because of my life path I have personally become fluent in two very different communication styles. In addition to fast paced intellectuals I spend a great deal of time with sacred/spiritual storytellers. Not all women. It is time to figure out ways to carry our message to more than one type of audience.
The transition manual was the handbook, and transition towns are the islands.
VergePermaculture hello! I enjoy your content as well !
Hi there!! I am a WOMAN and have lived so far since I left my native Brazil in 3 islands and now on the smallest of them all- Mallorca, Spain.
I feel that the sense of ‘community’ is not necessarily created or facilitated by the size of a place but by the size of one’s HEART and UNDERSTANDING of community and its importance. But I hear what you are saying…LITERALLY 😉
La Palma island here! It's different when you see you don't have an island B!!! Limits are clear.
You’ve hit the nail on the Nate as we know the rich 0:16 listers are already buying up land let alone building bunkers here
Keep up your fascinating insights into our precious earths future
Come to New Zealand with your family and find out more regarding our culture and way of living 🌏💖
Interesting to hear the analytics. Years ago I spent a summer in NZ and found them to be some of the most friendly and down-to-earth people I'd ever met -- very community oriented and enjoying life. Wonder if you've ever heard of Gail Tverberg? She might be a good female guest for your channel.
Sobering. When you both speak of building relationship, it reminds me of the work of Gabor Mate. He's defined how our modern world has denatured humans with denaturing the parent-child bond and a complete disregard for the biopsychosocial development of the human brain. If we survive, I hope sfor a redressing of this detrimental neglect. When I follow topics on the great simplification, the discussions are mostly the sciences of energy, systems, economics, but we will need to evolve with honest reckoning and commitment to the 25-26 years that it ftakes for human brains to develop fully, and what that means.
Your ideas and inspirations are highly appreciated by this female follower from Berlin, Germany. Trying to bridge the delta I call Ambiguitätstoleranz. How can we live a healthy and wholesome life in an destructive society and also with destructive inner parts, that's the question I ask myself on a daily basis.
Australia and New Zealand are also "young" nations, apart from the indigenous cultures. As an Australian, I'd say Australia, taken as a whole, has virtually no culture. It's like a teenager looking for an identity or a role in the world. But that's a good thing because it means we aren't stuck in old experiences and worldviews. We don't have that heavy European history of constant warfare. Australia is like the Garden of Eden. Our naivety keeps us open to a new potential. If we get it right, Australia could be a birthplace for a new civilisation.
Also, in the last 5 years or so, we've had three floods and an epic bushfire. The smoke from the fire came into the Sydney CBD and we couldn't see across the harbour and we could see and smell the smoke on the fifth floor of the big CBD shopping mall (Westfield, Sydney). Of course, Australian flora is genetically prone to bushfires, but it felt quite cataclysmic, especially when the floods happened so close to it.
Lastly, Australia and New Zealand are rich in natural resources and food production. So, I don't think we want to move to older countries. Instead, we suspect that there will be a mass migration to our countries to get away from potential starvation, disasters, and wars (civil and international).
Oh sh.t sorry Nate I left my laptop looping on your yt channel while I was at Chandrakirti doing a 3 month silent retreat.
That's a joke
But seriously that's kinda depressing. Apparently
I live in the hot bed of sense making or systems thinking, Nelson NZ. I had assumed that people were starting to understand what we are up against World wide and maybe I lived in a backwater.
Much love
Che
I think you have it completely backwards Nate. We are at the beginning of the supply chain. The ships we notice are the ones loading our commodities ( milk meat timber etc) from our increasingly strip mined soils and taking them away to feed the cities of the world.
I don't feel precarious here in paradise Nelson NZ.
Due to our isolation we kiwis are travellers.
We have been on the 200kph train south from Tokyo where for 2 hours all you see in cities.
We have walked in the silent forests of sumatra.
We have explored the horizonless smogbound cities of India and the Middle East and west USA.
We know what growth looks like, and we hold our paradise precious. We have a lot to lose.
Many people have some difficulties in ordering just the routine of their daily lives, so looking into next month, or next year becomes difficult except for selected dates like birthdays, anniversaries, main events etc. With regard to climate breakdown, energy availability/cost, & environmental degradation/biodiversity loss etc, - the further we look into the future then the larger the snowball of increased frequency & combinations of adverse events is portrayed.
This is too much for many people to take in, particularly as remedial solutions have little chance of being implemented by the global power elite. Thus its easy to see that the majority will either switch off, or go into denial about a multitudinous menu of scenarios outside their control, & perhaps outside their cognition too.
The intellectual classes can rationalize a swathe of adverse of adverse scenarios but for most people I guess they just revert to our primitive instincts to prioritize the here & now. Thus its perhaps too much to expect (without Government mandates) that the majority can embrace the behavior changes needed now to combat the numerous & non-specific threats on the horizon.
It’s interesting as Australia is so focussed on mining. The accepted wisdom is that we are heading into another mining boom, but that it will be copper, nickel and lithium this time compared with coal and iron ore last time.
Hey Nate, I love your podcasts and I have a request: I just read "To Speak for the Trees" by Diana Beresford Kroeger and it's one of the most inspirational books I've ever read. Any chance you could interview her? She's living in Canada now. Thanks!
Maybe the viewer is registered under the 'husband'. I'm one of your Wisconsin subs who listens to the entirety of your podcasts. Not many worthy of that! Sometimes with the extra stimulating (to me) podcasts my attention is diverted to my circumstance of which then I miss minutes because I am thinking instead of listening. So now I listen again, and again. The Holmgren podcast really had me thinking!
Islands also have the advantage of aligning bioregional ecological boundaries with political boundaries. Furthermore, the population of island nations like Aotearoa New Zealand is relatively small, resulting in shorter social distances between people and in more cohesive communities. This perhaps allows a larger number of people to feel and at times acknowledge the cognitive dissonance between local lived communal reality and the abstract institutions of government, industry, and academia in the neoliberal era. There are further factors to consider. Aotearoa New Zealand is closely linked to many small island nations in the Pacific, where the effects of climate change and ecological destruction are highly visible and increasingly life threatening for the local population.
Nate doesnt use the same language but what is needed is a Spiritual Awakening. Dopamine Seratonin Oxytocin calibrated to achieve balance. It was attempted in the 70s , back-to-earth hippies, Jimmy Carter but that sputtered and didnt gain mainstream traction unfortunately. 50 years later, little runway left, we know a lot more about neuroscience and influence and need to try again!
Fjords of Norway here.
Maybe your channel is our new Gobleki circle hhh. Thanks for this interesting piece. Fyi, Bill Gates has a house in nelson.
I'm a kiwi, and my guess is that it might have something to do with very active and engaged Facebook groups around your work (one in particular comes to mind). My sense of kiwis isn't that we're particularly engaged and aware of the things you talk about. We don't really talk about serious or interesting things, but we are polite and friendly.
I think the environmental concern is pretty big in nz. Nate talks about that stuff a bit. It's heartening that other NZers are listening to this kinda stuff
@@Dilmahkana I think most people here care about the environment, but also our most popular car purchase over the last year or couple of years has been the Ford Ranger. I hope those of us who are grappling with the depths of these things can innovate here and build alternatives. There are plenty of wonderful people here.
Atlanta here 👋🏾 😊 (and female!)
I’d love to work with you on this project.
I'm in regional Australia and am new to farming, I think I found your podcast whilst researching different ways to get away from conventional farming, there are some brilliant experts and organisations here to learn from when it comes to regenerative agriculture, Walter jehne, Charles massy, Christine Jones, amongst others, but locally here I feel quite alone. Mostly I interact with Christians in my spare time and I have a hard time trying to get the message through to them. It's very disappointing given I see that what is going on is written into the bible and present it through that lens.
I'm also in regional Oz (Central Vic) and definitely relate to that. I just checked out some of your experts. Thanks for sharing. I have just finished my permaculture design certificate and am looking now to build it out. If you haven't already checked them out I would recommend Andrew Milison or Geof Lawton as other experienced experts.
Good luck with the message. I am betting on my success and commitment in the regen/permy space as my way through to them. If not, at least I can feed myself and grow with a like minded community
Christians that I know are okay with Armageddon coming and Jesus taking them to heaven.
Female viewer from the UK! I value you and your guests so much for the humility, insight, intellectual rigour and deep care that characterises all your work. Thank you. Have you come across the work of Sally Weintrobe, a Fellow of The British Psychoanalytical Society? Her book 'Psycholgical Roots of the Climate Crisis: neoliberalism and the culture of uncare' is a fantastic read delivered with a wry sense of humour and certainly helped my understanding of the issues.
Hi from Tasmania - definitely an island of constraints. literally created by climate change.
Re: inner development, consider Wim Hof.
What kind of internal/cognitive dissonance will be experienced by those who’s “delta” ……from how they are living their life and what they know is too wide ……when the shit really hits the fan? Seems like one way or the other the drinking, self-medicating, anxiety and depression are going to come when our personal deltas get flooded with reality. Why postpone an opportunity for a possibility to “recover”? Pain is one hell of a good motivator for personal growth. I thankyou for messing with my comfort!
Riyadh and Jeddah are interesting as members of the top 15 cities. Saudi Arabia has already had a peak of sorts, being peak prosperity with living standards diluted since the 1980s by lower oil prices compared to the oil shocks of the 1970s and a rapidly increasing population. The oil reserves of the kingdom are suspected as being political more than geological and Saudi oil may have peaked. Jeddah has seen "peak skyscraper" with their one kilometre tower which was to be the world's tallest building has seemingly been abandoned with no work since March 2018 and only half finished following a corruption and embezzlement scandal. Now the kingdom is talking about their "linear city" which will be a 100 floor building hundreds of kms long with 10 million people. Peak vanity project I think.
There may be something to living in an extractive nation like Saudi Arabia or Australia that makes one aware of mineral limits. Growing up in outback Australia in a mining town I have seen mines close
As corny as it may sound, it occurred to me recently that, in the lunatic world we all now live in, you yourself are valuable "natural resource". I cannot thank you enough for all your efforts. You have somewhat restored my respect for the human species.
6:06 Don't worry Nate, I have a huge "Delta" and don't participate in any adverse behavior. I exercise every day. I don't drink or use drugs / pharmaceuticals. I am not even C19 vaccinated ;) There is no "disservice" here.
Or could it be that places like New Zealand have a lot of wealthy preppers already knowledgeable of the great simplification?
It’s not a huge surprise that permaculture was invented in Australia.
Please interview Alice Friedmann and Gail Tverberg - they are the best
I'm guessing the reason why there are a lot of viewers from Riyadh and Mecca is that many people in Saudi Arabia are aware that their oil wealth won't last forever and that their country doesn't have a lot of arable land or fresh water.