I think the code for the driver door status is your smoking gun. I believe the car keeps activating its anti-rollaway feature, which automatically shifts to park when the driver door is opened and the seat belt is unfastened. If the door status is unknown, it relies on the seatbelt status, and since you don't have it buckled during diagnosis, that may be why it's stuck in park. I wonder if it would allow you to shift if you buckled it. Also, I am like 99% sure the shift lock override only allows you to shift to neutral, not to drive. I don't mind electronic shifters. In my experience they're not unreliable and although this Ford is a poor example, many of them do free up a ton of space. The Prius has been using an electronic shifter and electric parking pawl actuator since 2004 and those have always been robust. Just like everything else on modern cars, it's just a new way to diagnose and repair things. That doesn't mean it's difficult to understand. Just different.
As a European I'm a bit flabbergasted by all of the "safety" (meaning lawsuit prevention) interlocks that are required on American models. The only thing they do is make the cars work less reliably and annoy drivers because they never work when you want them to, but they always work when you don't want them to.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Does it shows door locked at any of this points? Can you look on data pid to the door ajar? How it behaves when you opening closing door.
Just a new way to diagnose and repair things. Tell that to a person that has a bill of 2599$. No big dealership is and will be honest. They need to fill those bays.
Remember a star trek actor was killed when his jeep with a similar weird shift arrangement rolled into him up against his driveway gate.these car makers have no care for people's safety or satisfaction.
@@pl5624 I agree but disagree. If the people would quit insisting on having all this technology and quit buying the sh*t, they would have to do something else. TBH, not buying anything newer than 2006 is the best move.
@@billmonroe8826 nobody asked for it...and the feds should regulate it.remember chrysler dropping pushbuttons for 65 because they thought regulation was coming...it wasn't.
My next step would to be to jumper the door open switch to manually send door closed signal to module and see if that effects the shifting. Then research and discover what inputs must be present to allow shift. Down the rabbit hole we go.
The way the motor is moving the cable during the adjustment really sounds a lot like a stripped actuator gear. I worked on an Astra 1.6 with a manumatic gearbox which had a similar actuator on the clutch cable, and it could not shift anymore because those plastic gears are prone to stripping. They're basically the same actuator motors you will find in the power windows. I would expect the cable to cycle all the way back and forth during the adjustment mode.
I'm curious about the driver door correlation fault code. Some of these cars have the annoying "safety" feature of auto shifting into park whenever the driver door is opened. Would be worth a shot performing a possible correlation learn? And see what happens? But yes I agree, this does seem like an input and or logic issue. Looking forward to part 2! Thanks Ivan!
I agree, I think it's a safety feature. Very perplexing with the amount of interconnectivity all the modules have... When 3 different modules can command a function off for their own reasons.
As someone who owns 2 Ford Fusions, I can confirm the knob will turn itself back to park when you open the door. I think it also does it under other conditions too. Like if you turn off the ignition and leave it in drive.
@@freak3dot There are situations, where you might want to open the door a bit to, say, navigate in reverse through a tight spot. I guess you're not doing that in the Fusion Nanny Edition. 🤔
@@camberwellcarrot420 My daily driver is a 2016. The last year they had the actual shifter instead of a knob. I know some people mod them with FORScan to dip their mirrors in reverse. It's a difficult mod, but another potential solution to that problem.
This is why late 80s to early 00's cars are the sweet spot for having just enough technology to be reliable but not so much as to be overly complicated. Unfortunately, these complex new cars are more profitable for the auto manufacturers because of their inherent planned obsolescence.
Have an 89 Dakota bought used with bad wheel brg at 131k, just turned 270k and finally had to put starter and water pump in. Salt has killed body but I found a 88 Dakota one owner survivor w/89k paid too much (according to others) but the only tech is TBI. Pretty simple.
At 7:06 in, when you are going to perform the self test, you pause but don't read the info fully. The 3rd line is ignored, * ALL DOORS LOCKED ! The doors were opened and closed, but the locks were never engaged. Also, later on at 25:57, you even read out loud (but don't hear yourself), Open then close driver's door AND CYCLE THE DOOR LOCKS. It is easy to skip things if you are trying to go fast! Good luck, and hope this helps to add data points for your troubleshooting.
Ivan, I want to thank you for helping to step up my Diagnostics, I have been wrenching for 34 years and still have so much to learn. Your methods and style of approach are pure Gold and I have been spending my time (while recovering from Carpal Tunnel surgery) mining it! You have a great attitude and deserve the highest appraise, keep up the good work sir!
Oh dear Lord, this episode just increased my blood pressure ! Good luck Ivan, I'm confident that you will solve the issue... looking forward to the next part !
9:53 I’m 10 minutes in and I think the door position sensor input portion of the process is preventing the shift module from allowing a shift. On my BMW it will,shift back into park if doors are open and put in drive or reverse. I’m guessing some similar issue from the early data here.
The data pid for drivers door showed it was open and closed properly. So unlikely that’s the issue. With the code also not being in service info, that code could be a rabbit hole. This could simply be a good old shift interlock solenoid problem that it’s just not coding for. Ivan hasn’t looked at the schematic for the shift interlock input yet. Interesting to see what happens next! 🙂
@@jeremyah78 after watching more, I agree. I think the inputs are the issue, just not the doors. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Ivan is the GOAT man, so good at his process.
They've always been complicated. Back before electronics got strapped to them, it pretty much had its own computer made entirely of hydraulics, with no codes to point you toward what to look at. Just a big maze of channels, check balls, and servos.
The terrible irony is that these electronic systems don't actually cut down on mechanical parts, space, weight, etc. They add motors that still drive cables and operate mechanical systems for the transmission. Are people so weak now that they can't open and close hatches/trunks, move a shift lever, etc? The Toyota 4Runner has seen a huge surge in sales in the last few years because it's one of the least complex vehicles sold. Seems a lot of people want things that last. But that means they don't buy a new car every three years, which is bad for makers.
It's called Lawsuits from getting run over by their own vehicles. After loosing Millions of $$ in needless lawsuits, the Auto manufactures have had to go to this more and more. Levers are going away like it or not due to stupidity!
Right on about the 4Runner. I retired as an auto mechanic and after years of dealing with this crap as a gift to me my '22 4Runner ORP is sitting in the driveway. It's about old school as you get today. Love it.
I belive this code regarding the door switch is where I would head. It's likely a switch within the latch assembly. At the shop, 2 of the 3 location plates for the hoists are worn and it's difficult to tell whether you've 'landed' or not. I'll open the door to have a peak and many Euro cars will select park...some others aswell but not common. I haven't looked at a diagram for this input but suggest you do. Can't wait for the fix. As usual great content Ivan!!
I ran into the same problem with my wife 17 fusion last year and it was the transmission shift actuator . the one that pulls on the shift cable and just did one on a friend's car also a fusion a few weeks ago seems to be a common problem with them .I took apart and the 1 of the 2 brushed motors burned out in the actuator is what caused it to failed in my wife fusion.
I'm fairly certain the purpose of this junk is to decouple the design of the engine compartment stuff from the cabin stuff. Even in my own engineering field (not automotive) I have noticed a disturbing trend towards hyper-specialization and inability of different teams to communicate with each other. Everyone only wants to know about their specific part and the rest of the product is a black box. And surprise, it leads to bad designs.
@@jessicav2031 sounds interesting! A few years ago I predicted we're going to do more with less in electronics! Less heat generated. Do you see this happening?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Thing is it doesn't know it's broken due the door control logic being faulty, it just sees the door correlation logic as being a problem.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics could be two switches on door latch for redundancy in the same way as to two switches on brake pedal or clutch pedal on manuals (critical safety components), because there were two data pits on the scan tool for door open and only one switched status when you opened-closed the door
Door locks also have two separate locks. A normal mode lock. And a dead bult lock that locks the car when you park or I guess drive that makes the handle of the door inside not work. Maybe it's trying to lock the door and fails on the regular lock? But it can so dead bult and lock it via the switch?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics haha, i watched part two, nice job, nothing surprises me when it comes to manufacturers ingenuity to torture car technicians
Door correlation is what I would be focused on. I bet the shift control is working correctly. On a working Ford Fusion I would be interested to know if you had the door open if the car will let you put it in drive.
I would agree that the thing to concentrate on is: What is the correlation logic here? What two, or more, switch inputs are being compared, and does the "working one" actually drive the information on the BCM, etc. i.e. you think the door is working correctly, but there is a secondary switch that disagrees. The rule of thumb is: Fix what you can see, worry about the rest after that. That door correlation DTC is the thing we all see....
I have to think about it some more, but I think my next step is to find out what's going on with the door code. There's a good chance it's playing a part in this. It may be designed to not allow shifting (or automatically go into park) with the door open.
I’d be looking at the wiring schematic for the shift interlock solenoid and checking to see where it lives and if it has its power and ground. It’s acting a lot like a traditional shifter does when it’s stuck in park because the interlock solenoid is faulty (that data pid you’re concerned about seems to support that in my estimation). The one difference being that when you do the override with the key and move the shift knob, it wants to kick it back to park. That almost makes me think there could be 2 problems here?! Look forward to seeing what happens next.🙂✌️
This is actually a good guess too. The hoods on Range Rovers during Ford owned years used to do this exact thing. Hood open car wouldn’t move I believe.
Ivan, it's not for the sake of complication. I work for one of the Big 3. Ivan, you can thank all the lawsuits in courts from people that "forget" to shift into Park when exiting the vehicle for this. It's hyper safety from lots of lawsuits and people being stupid being awarding millions of dollars! People's common sense is less and less every year! Soon, everyone will go to dials or smart push buttons. Ford, GM, Honda, Chrysler , Hyundai/ Kia and yes, Toyota! Thank the public.
Let’s take this lawsuit business a step further , just a little food for thought. This happens WAY too often. These lawsuits are jury trials. What do hear from good honest working people when they get called for jury duty? Yeah, how can I get out of this, and they usually do. This erks the hell out of me. So who ends up on these jury’s, for the most part the ones that don’t know enough to park their cars before they get out, and do not work for their existence.
I just dealt with a BMW convertible top. No codes. The entire top worked just fine. But the partition glass wouldn't go down. So you couldn't close the top once it was opened. Turned our to be the position sensor that was integrated into the window motor. This was a challenge because there no codes. No data in Mitchell. No data on Identifix. And no wiring diagrams available. The irony in adding more electrical components gives you less control of your car when something fails.
I seem to remember when certain cars would slip out of park years ago, but this is a new twist of an old problem. Ford certainly has mastered the art of making the simple complicated!
So many of these manufacturers have a gift of obliterating simplicity. I had a similar situation a few weeks ago with my favorite little red transporter. Got it going (out of park) with my pocket knife and did a NPR repair when I got home with a small piece of wood and a “pin” to secure it. Covered the hole with a nicely shaped piece of 333.
It's called Lawsuits from getting run over by their own vehicles. After loosing Millions of $$ in needless lawsuits, the Auto manufactures have had to go to this more and more. Levers are going away like it or not due to stupidity!
This issue is certainly concerning since I will be in the process of helping my brother buy a new car shortly. I will definitely direct him away from any Ford product. And as Bombardier states below this is exactly why I’m keeping my 73 CJ 5 and my 72 Jeep commando as back ups
I think we all need an old vehicle which can survive an EMP, for when the Chinese start dropping them from helium balloons. 😳 Plus, an antimagnetic watch.
Lolol I have always owned Fords. I currently have a 30 year old F150, and a 20 year old F150. YOU COULD NOT GIVE ME A JEEP OR ANY OTHER STELLANTIS PRODUCT. The old Willy's ones were good. I'm talking 40's and 50's. If your jeeps have a cable to activate the throw out bearing you better carry a spare. Lolol.
I'm thinking that it is in the module in the fender. Sorry, I forget that nomenclature of it. I believe the rotary switch is communicating to that module but that actuator there is not doing its job. Of course, you are much more experienced than I am at this. It will be interesting to see the final outcome as always.
Watched hours ago, Have been thinking about it. I agree with Ian's comment. I would go for the door first. Never thought about the seatbelt but it all makes sense. See this is why I call you the teacher. You present a problem and want to see who comes up with a logical solution. Thank you for making me think.
This vehicle is example of why sharp techs like Ivan will always have work. The mechanics that can't learn/understand the current/future technologies need to start looking for a new profession. PS: I saw signs of creatures having been in the engine bay as Ivan was showing us the trans shift cable.
A friend of mine had one of the first Fiestas. About a year and a half in, it decided to shift into park at 80mph on the highway, and scattered the transmission. After a couple months at the dealership (this was pre-Powershift Scandal), Ford did a purchase-price buyback on the car. Never did find out what happened. :( Needless to say, you have my full attention!
@@lvsqcsl Those were very good cars. I think they were made in Germany before unreliable overcomplicated became synonymous with German cars, and now American too.
My next step would be powers/grounds/can-bus signal check. It's nuts how manufacturers think our lives would be soooo much better if we had fancy rotary electronic shifters and my biggest hatred - the electronic parking brake. We're talking about something so simple with a very, very low failure rate and they give us electronic complexity and the need for special tools to retract the pads for maintenance.
It's all to deter and/or prevent diyers from fixing their cars themselves, and to make owning a car ever more expensive. Theres all this scam ass bullshit about how we need to save the planet by creating less waste/pollution and what not, and what are we getting ? Thats right, ever more throwaway junk with ever shorter lifetime, that takes even more resources and puts out even more pollution to recycle... I can assure ya that we were cleaner and greener back in the 50's and 60's when the smog laid thick over LA like the ciggy smoke in the bars and pubs at the time. I will never ever in my life buy a car newer than 2005! And when cars older than say 5yo gets outlawed and banned i'd rather quit driving alltogether than put up with this shit.
I can just imagine the engineering meeting in a conference room at Ford where they brainstormed on how to make shifting gears as complicated and failure prone as possible. No doubt someone got employee of the month for coming up with the idea of eliminating the gear shifter and adding unnecessary complexity.
I suspect they're trying to make everything modular. That TRCM is probably fitted to a number of different models and the encoder gets positions from the ECM for the particular transmission to which it is connected. The reason for this is price breaks at certain quantities in manufacture - the more they order, the cheaper the unit price becomes. They can then couple that TRCM to any number of different transmissions and 'shifters' without any redesign costs. Also, they no longer have to worry about stocking so many different essential parts for different vehicles.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Incompetence doesn't mix well with just-in-time supply chains. Just wait until China invades Taiwan and the semiconductor supply is strangled further!
I thought I had seen it all. I went to the local Ford Dealership and they had a 2019 Lincoln Continental sitting on the lot. It has the electric door handles. I opened the door and got in the front seat and then exited, closed the front door and got in the back seat. When I closed the rear door, it would not open. Apparently, the car had set there so long the battery went dead. I happened to notice the driver's door didn't close, so, I crawled to the front seat and got out. I called a friend of mine that works as a salesman at the dealership. He came over and connected a battery boost pack and got the driver's door closed. He also showed me there is an emergency latch under the armrest. What good is this stuff if it doesn't work and you must resort to using a "latch?" Great video!
My next step would be to step away for an hour or so, regroup, rethink what is working, what is not working. Reread service literature, forums, etc. for ideas. It appears the interlock and the GSM are fighting each other, as to what to do, based on their inputs.
As a person who also works as a mechanic. I hear my co-workers complaining all the time about how GE makes a junk product. Well, we should all be thrilled that they can not make something that lasts or else we would all be out of jobs.. I feel that is applicable here as well. Ivan and diagnostic guys on his level should be thrilled about these complicated failure prone electronics. Someday, they may be a group of a select few who can accurately diagnose this stuff.
I respectfully disagree with one thing sir. There were plenty of mechanics when I was growing up. I'm now 53. Good techs/mechs are a whole other breed of person though. Those are as rare as hen's teeth. Be well.
1:25 - same issue I had with my 2000 Pontiac Montana. All the figment databases said the Dorman replacement would only fit 2001 and up but luckily they were wrong. GM only sold the whole shift cable with bushing.
Since that emergency override button ( in glove box ) doesn't seem to be working, I'd look into that. As always, great learning experience watching you.
The drivers door correlation error is because you did not lock the door before doing the self test. The self test expects to see the door both closed and locked to pass
Shift cable frozen due to snow. Motor's control electronics tries continuously to find the correct position but fails every try. Causing the control motor's (plastic?) worm gear to break/damage off some teeth. Maybe the different PWM readings at 8:40 (Gear Shift Module Output Duty Cycle) are an indication of this as well (% Commanded versus Measured). Waiting for the next part...
This is why I Bought a 6 speed manual equipped Car, It actually moves when in gear, No slipping B💩S, 2020 K20C2 powered Honda Civic Sport it gets my wife to work and back without a problem even when it -30⁰F outside 🌞.
Ivan, it sounds like the door is correlating to the park shift module. GSM thing, that's what i saw in the video but it had to be input problem preventing it move. I hate those newfangled thing. I prefer old fashioned shift on the column!! Great video! I'm curious about what you find and the conclusion to the problem!
There is a bypass switch on the floor inside the centre console to the right of the shifter. Is a red switch. You can put hand under the console from the passenger side slide toward the shifter. Just inside the wall to console you’ll feel the switch.
If you go into the PID's section on your scan tool, look for BOO1 and BOO2. Those are your 2 brake switches. You need to make sure they are both working properly. It wouldn't be a bad idea to check the batteries in the key fob either. They need to be higher than 3 volts. 3.2, 3.3, etc... The tolerance is very low for those batteries to work properly. If you are not 100% sure, just replace them. Also, I saw the wrench light was on. Sometimes that will come on instead of the MIL.
Also... _If a GSM self-test is performed, _*_do not apply the brake pedal_*_ A false P081F DTC will appear if the brake pedal is applied during the self-test_
Ivan so maybe i wasn't following close enough but when you went through the calibration test did he arm on the cable mechanism that controls the cable was it moving at all? If not shouldn't it be the motor was sounding like it should have been? Im speaking of that module that is in the inner wheel well area..
Hey Ivan, this is a good one. Going after the door code. Door sounds a bit sketchy upon closing,may be latching a bit funky,leading to a wonky signal/input. Engineers meeting..."let's eliminate the shifter"..."ya and use a knob and a module and a motor"! ... "Ya and make it like a video controller"!..Ya! That would be soo cool!!..."Ok good meeting"! Grrr engineers!!!
I think I would go to the bcm and check the door latch signals, try and resolve that correlation code and go from there. I agree no codes in the gear shift module is a clue that this is a input problems. I know you'll fix it even with service info being less than par.
Electronics can fail but simple PRNDL indicator devices can also fail when the contact points break, leaving a vehicle stranded. I have see TWO transmissions rebuilt before the PRNDL device was found to be broken.
I’ve owned one of these cars and if you open the door, it will shift into park. So it’s possible there’s something wrong with the door switch or related component.
It thinks something is wrong with the door so you will have to follow that circuit. Does that cable box by the fender still try to run with that selector removed. If not then manually activate each output from the selector plug to where ever it goes to ECM? See if the cable control box responds to that correctly. If it does keep running then it must be what ever controls that cable box.
I’m just curious why you didn’t check communication between the tcm and range module. Maybe it’s a LIN bus. I’m not sure. This is FYI only. I always love your approach
This happens often on my Ford Fusion. No fun when it was 30 degrees out and all the kids in the car. Sometimes if I pump the brakes and then push the pedal all the way to the floor, the gear lets loose and lets me move from park to drive.
that gear noise does sound like when the crown vic actuator door plastic gear rips a tooth off. and then nutty people rip the whole dash forward to replace it when its 100% accessible through the glovebox ;) breaking the rear screw clip off which isnt needed cuz just 1 holds it tightly in place...
This seems to be a trend w automakers: overly complicated problematic systems to replace simple driver controls. The electronic parking brake is bad enough, but this will burn customers even more. Where is Ford going with all this? Waiting on part 2
My 14 Ram has the ZF 8speed with rotary dial shifter. At some point during recall fixes the dealer updated the computer logic such that if the driver's door is not fully latched and the seat belt is not buckled the unit will slap itself back into park. I guess morons were getting out without putting it in park and running over themselves. They didn't tell me they did that so the first time I was backing a trailer and leaning out the door to see better I thought something had broken as it wouldn't let me shift. If it were my dodge, I'd definitely try to run down that door code. (Another "benefit" of that setup on the dodge, since the shifter dial is near the radio volume, is every time a Nickelback song comes on you end up jamming it into park as you try to turn it down. 🙂)
"I guess morons were getting out without putting it in park and running over themselves." I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers all put in this kind of "interlock" after the news of Anton Yelchin's death, who was run over by his own car in his driveway.
Ivan make sure the door is closed when you shift. On my 2015 dodge durango, it wont let me shift if the tailgate or the drivers door is open. Ford might be doing the same thing now.
Not certain but I believe all doors need to be shut including the hood in order to select out of park. I had a 5th generation Ram that anytime I opened the driver door with gear selected in drive or reverse it would automatically go into park.
At first I was thinking the brake interlock switch now I'm wondering if it's the driver side door lock preventing too shift out of park. What's next by "Ford Safety" an unbuckled seat belt will lock out the transmission.
@Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics My daughter n law has a newer hybrid Fusion. I've driven it a couple times. I definitely don't like that shifter knob. The car acts strange enough as is without having problems.
This has to be frustrating to work on, and not so much fun, when you are outside in cold weather. The outro says "Continued in Part 2" - that leaves open the possibility that there could be more than 2 episodes. I hope you nail it in the next episode (especially for your customer), but we shall see.
Nice video. I would be doing some research on the correlation code from the door. Also did you check for brake lights? There might be something in that circuit. Obviously, the customer ignored the Ford dealership for to long and big brother shut the car down. 😂
I would make certain that the vehicle is insured, especially in case of an electrical fire. Nod, Nod, Wink, Wink. Due to problems with the prior year vehicles not going into park, Ford built a return to park system into the 2017 models that is supposed to put the transmission into park if the driver attempts to exit the vehicle. The error codes you were seeing for the drivers door might be causing it to stay in park.
I'm 9 minutes in and it's the door code. I just ran across this on a completely different forum this morning. People were listing their gripes about new cars and one guy said his 2022 F150 would throw the truck in park even while it was still moving if the door was opened. The car doesn't know the status of the door so it's keeping it in park.
I have a 2016 with the previous shifter. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if a similar thing could happen even with the old shifter style. Thankfully I have a 00 f150 as well
Hi Ivan, what is wrong with the door, well what is wrong with it is that you opened the door and entered that particular vehicle being FORD. I would look at the door code to correct it first. If the car's door is not properly closed then it may not go into shifting, It has a logic to it. Thank you
I agree. I had to make a house call to get this guy's Mercedes out of park that was stuck at a boat landing. Had some piece in the console style shifter assembly that is known to break eventually and leave the driver stranded in a parking lot or in their driveway or a traffic signal or railroad crossing.
I have a 2010 Fusion with the 4cyl and a 6spd manual. Only other option is mid range stereo system with sync. Only has 95K KM on it. I would love a newer automatic, but I can't help but want to keep the simple aspect of my current car.
I appreciate the videos ..Not a chance i ever buy or own one of these newer cars or truck . I seen the cables come apart and get fouled.. i even just replaced the worn cable in the with the proper size and not but a expensive cable assembly
I know that most of these electronic shifter mechanisms will automatically shift to park when the driver door it open, driver seat belt is open, and your foot is off the brake. If the computer thinks the door is open, you're not going anywhere. The shift interlock override is just that. It should allow the user to shift the transmission out of park if and when the shifter interlock fails to operate normally. IMO, I would start investigating the driver door latch next.
I had similar case with my Saturn Aura. Couldn't shift the gear shifter from park to either drive, rear or neutral. It happened in winter. I had to keep car running for about 30 minutes, then could shift to drive. A dealership's service replaced Automatic floor gear shifter for about $500.
I think it has something to do with the drivers door. If it thinks the door isn't closed or shut all the way, (whatever that is), it won't shift out of park until it is properly secured. Something like that...
Some cars have dual brake switches for redundancy. I did see Brake switch 2 in your log. If they aren't working as they should then you might get problems. Earlier just the cruise control failed.
This happened to my car on Saturday. Nobody was open when it happened so I had to wait until today to get it done. I called a tow company and when he got here he said he was gonna have to drag it because it was stuck in park. Well he gets in it turns it on and it freaking starts working! Perfectly fine!! I paid $125 for basically no reason bc the bushing isn’t covered over 2016. I’m wondering if when you reset the gear shift or override it if you just have to turn the car off and back on and that’s how you get it to work! Because my car is fine now and the transmission light isn’t on anymore either.
At 10:31 at the top of the screen, there is an entry labeled "Brake transmission shift interlock hardwired input indicates transmission should not leave the park position" It is currently "YES" Also, the next line down is on a similar note "Brake transmission shift interlock system is preventing leaving the park position"and is "YES"
I feel you pain Ivan. I am terrified of getting a new car. Been looking at ES350, GX, and Avalon. I think these are pretty good. Nothing wrong with my RX300 but the problem with Toyota is that you end up driving a car for sooo long with no problems, you get bored of it.
I would be checking all the door data pids as usually a correlation code means the computer is receiving conflicting data about about one particular part or system.
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I think the code for the driver door status is your smoking gun. I believe the car keeps activating its anti-rollaway feature, which automatically shifts to park when the driver door is opened and the seat belt is unfastened. If the door status is unknown, it relies on the seatbelt status, and since you don't have it buckled during diagnosis, that may be why it's stuck in park. I wonder if it would allow you to shift if you buckled it. Also, I am like 99% sure the shift lock override only allows you to shift to neutral, not to drive.
I don't mind electronic shifters. In my experience they're not unreliable and although this Ford is a poor example, many of them do free up a ton of space. The Prius has been using an electronic shifter and electric parking pawl actuator since 2004 and those have always been robust. Just like everything else on modern cars, it's just a new way to diagnose and repair things. That doesn't mean it's difficult to understand. Just different.
Oh I tried every combination of door latch/lock, seatbelt, brake pedal you name it lol
As a European I'm a bit flabbergasted by all of the "safety" (meaning lawsuit prevention) interlocks that are required on American models. The only thing they do is make the cars work less reliably and annoy drivers because they never work when you want them to, but they always work when you don't want them to.
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Does it shows door locked at any of this points? Can you look on data pid to the door ajar? How it behaves when you opening closing door.
Just a new way to diagnose and repair things. Tell that to a person that has a bill of 2599$. No big dealership is and will be honest. They need to fill those bays.
Pressure switch in the seat? There is one for the air bag on the passenger side.
Looks overly complicated, using technology for the sake of it looking cool. Those designers should be smacked. Thanks for taking us along, Ivan.
I think it's emerging tech. Moving toward autonomous operation.
Remember a star trek actor was killed when his jeep with a similar weird shift arrangement rolled into him up against his driveway gate.these car makers have no care for people's safety or satisfaction.
Yes !! It's redculisus and stupid 💩
@@pl5624 I agree but disagree. If the people would quit insisting on having all this technology and quit buying the sh*t, they would have to do something else. TBH, not buying anything newer than 2006 is the best move.
@@billmonroe8826 nobody asked for it...and the feds should regulate it.remember chrysler dropping pushbuttons for 65 because they thought regulation was coming...it wasn't.
My next step would to be to jumper the door open switch to manually send door closed signal to module and see if that effects the shifting. Then research and discover what inputs must be present to allow shift. Down the rabbit hole we go.
I've seen a few dodge vehicles will not let you shift from park unless you close the door. So maybe the door driver door module is suspect.
The way the motor is moving the cable during the adjustment really sounds a lot like a stripped actuator gear. I worked on an Astra 1.6 with a manumatic gearbox which had a similar actuator on the clutch cable, and it could not shift anymore because those plastic gears are prone to stripping. They're basically the same actuator motors you will find in the power windows.
I would expect the cable to cycle all the way back and forth during the adjustment mode.
I'm curious about the driver door correlation fault code. Some of these cars have the annoying "safety" feature of auto shifting into park whenever the driver door is opened. Would be worth a shot performing a possible correlation learn? And see what happens?
But yes I agree, this does seem like an input and or logic issue.
Looking forward to part 2! Thanks Ivan!
I agree, I think it's a safety feature.
Very perplexing with the amount of interconnectivity all the modules have... When 3 different modules can command a function off for their own reasons.
As someone who owns 2 Ford Fusions, I can confirm the knob will turn itself back to park when you open the door. I think it also does it under other conditions too. Like if you turn off the ignition and leave it in drive.
@@freak3dot There are situations, where you might want to open the door a bit to, say, navigate in reverse through a tight spot. I guess you're not doing that in the Fusion Nanny Edition. 🤔
@@camberwellcarrot420 My daily driver is a 2016. The last year they had the actual shifter instead of a knob.
I know some people mod them with FORScan to dip their mirrors in reverse. It's a difficult mod, but another potential solution to that problem.
@@camberwellcarrot420 Cant do that, in some cars.
This is why late 80s to early 00's cars are the sweet spot for having just enough technology to be reliable but not so much as to be overly complicated. Unfortunately, these complex new cars are more profitable for the auto manufacturers because of their inherent planned obsolescence.
That's definitely the sweet spot :)
Have an 89 Dakota bought used with bad wheel brg at 131k, just turned 270k and finally had to put starter and water pump in.
Salt has killed body but I found a 88 Dakota one owner survivor w/89k paid too much (according to others) but the only tech is TBI. Pretty simple.
97-99 Jeep. Has the newer interior, doesn't have coil packs or the emissions crap. 4.0.
Nothing but win there.
@@litz13 99 is the best year of all time with the horse shoe intake and thrust plate cam.
@@v12alpine 👍
At 7:06 in, when you are going to perform the self test, you pause but don't read the info fully. The 3rd line is ignored, * ALL DOORS LOCKED ! The doors were opened and closed, but the locks were never engaged. Also, later on at 25:57, you even read out loud (but don't hear yourself), Open then close driver's door AND CYCLE THE DOOR LOCKS. It is easy to skip things if you are trying to go fast! Good luck, and hope this helps to add data points for your troubleshooting.
Ivan, I want to thank you for helping to step up my Diagnostics, I have been wrenching for 34 years and still have so much to learn. Your methods and style of approach are pure Gold and I have been spending my time (while recovering from Carpal Tunnel surgery) mining it! You have a great attitude and deserve the highest appraise, keep up the good work sir!
Oh dear Lord, this episode just increased my blood pressure ! Good luck Ivan, I'm confident that you will solve the issue... looking forward to the next part !
Same here. Interested in what's causing this
9:53 I’m 10 minutes in and I think the door position sensor input portion of the process is preventing the shift module from allowing a shift. On my BMW it will,shift back into park if doors are open and put in drive or reverse. I’m guessing some similar issue from the early data here.
That's the direction that I keep leaning towards. Go after that door code that's set and see if that has any effect. Worthless design.
The data pid for drivers door showed it was open and closed properly. So unlikely that’s the issue. With the code also not being in service info, that code could be a rabbit hole. This could simply be a good old shift interlock solenoid problem that it’s just not coding for. Ivan hasn’t looked at the schematic for the shift interlock input yet. Interesting to see what happens next! 🙂
@@jeremyah78 after watching more, I agree. I think the inputs are the issue, just not the doors. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Ivan is the GOAT man, so good at his process.
@@htownblue11 Ivan is one of the very best!
This is why I love my plain old 6 speed manual, automatics have become to complicated. Excellent informative video as always Ivan. 👍
They've always been complicated. Back before electronics got strapped to them, it pretty much had its own computer made entirely of hydraulics, with no codes to point you toward what to look at. Just a big maze of channels, check balls, and servos.
Correct
I will keep my 03 Camry alive for as much as I can , these modern ⛱️ 🐋 aren't worth nothing but headaches 🤣😂
Great job Ivan 👌
The terrible irony is that these electronic systems don't actually cut down on mechanical parts, space, weight, etc. They add motors that still drive cables and operate mechanical systems for the transmission. Are people so weak now that they can't open and close hatches/trunks, move a shift lever, etc? The Toyota 4Runner has seen a huge surge in sales in the last few years because it's one of the least complex vehicles sold. Seems a lot of people want things that last. But that means they don't buy a new car every three years, which is bad for makers.
You mean bad for makers who don't up their quality will end up losing market share for those who do.
You cant go wrong with Toyota 4Runner.
It's called Lawsuits from getting run over by their own vehicles. After loosing Millions of $$ in needless lawsuits, the Auto manufactures have had to go to this more and more. Levers are going away like it or not due to stupidity!
@@elbuggo hell no you can't. One of the simplest and more reliable things out there in general
Right on about the 4Runner. I retired as an auto mechanic and after years of dealing with this crap as a gift to me my '22 4Runner ORP is sitting in the driveway. It's about old school as you get today. Love it.
I belive this code regarding the door switch is where I would head. It's likely a switch within the latch assembly.
At the shop, 2 of the 3 location plates for the hoists are worn and it's difficult to tell whether you've 'landed' or not. I'll open the door to have a peak and many Euro cars will select park...some others aswell but not common. I haven't looked at a diagram for this input but suggest you do. Can't wait for the fix.
As usual great content Ivan!!
I ran into the same problem with my wife 17 fusion last year and it was the transmission shift actuator . the one that pulls on the shift cable and just did one on a friend's car also a fusion a few weeks ago seems to be a common problem with them .I took apart and the 1 of the 2 brushed motors burned out in the actuator is what caused it to failed in my wife fusion.
How much is a repair like this ?
I'm fairly certain the purpose of this junk is to decouple the design of the engine compartment stuff from the cabin stuff. Even in my own engineering field (not automotive) I have noticed a disturbing trend towards hyper-specialization and inability of different teams to communicate with each other. Everyone only wants to know about their specific part and the rest of the product is a black box. And surprise, it leads to bad designs.
BINGO!
What type of engineering do you do? Inquiring minds want to know!
@@dans_Learning_Curve EE: low power/IoT circuit design and PCB layout.
Yep, they'd get rid of the steering shaft if they could... Just make everything "plug and go"
@@jessicav2031 sounds interesting!
A few years ago I predicted we're going to do more with less in electronics! Less heat generated. Do you see this happening?
Interesting how Fords rotary shifter setup work and where those inputs come from. Waiting on part 2
Most poorly-designed system I've come across to date... Can't even set a DTC when it's obviously BROKEN!!
Thanks JLR!
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Thing is it doesn't know it's broken due the door control logic being faulty, it just sees the door correlation logic as being a problem.
The door ajar issue may be telling it to lock it in park, for safety. I do know it will lock it in park if the brake light fuse is blown.
The correlation code could be a second signal from door lock that says the door isn't latched, aside from a push style sensor on door pilar
Interesting thought...but only one switch in the latch here 😉
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics could be two switches on door latch for redundancy in the same way as to two switches on brake pedal or clutch pedal on manuals (critical safety components), because there were two data pits on the scan tool for door open and only one switched status when you opened-closed the door
Door locks also have two separate locks. A normal mode lock. And a dead bult lock that locks the car when you park or I guess drive that makes the handle of the door inside not work. Maybe it's trying to lock the door and fails on the regular lock? But it can so dead bult and lock it via the switch?
@@geogeo8250 never seen a redundant door latch switch... When I do it may be time to retire 🤣
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics haha, i watched part two, nice job, nothing surprises me when it comes to manufacturers ingenuity to torture car technicians
Door correlation is what I would be focused on. I bet the shift control is working correctly. On a working Ford Fusion I would be interested to know if you had the door open if the car will let you put it in drive.
I would agree that the thing to concentrate on is: What is the correlation logic here? What two, or more, switch inputs are being compared, and does the "working one" actually drive the information on the BCM, etc. i.e. you think the door is working correctly, but there is a secondary switch that disagrees. The rule of thumb is: Fix what you can see, worry about the rest after that. That door correlation DTC is the thing we all see....
I have to think about it some more, but I think my next step is to find out what's going on with the door code. There's a good chance it's playing a part in this. It may be designed to not allow shifting (or automatically go into park) with the door open.
Glad my 2013 Fusion has a lever. At least I can get it out of park when it goes stupid!
I’d be looking at the wiring schematic for the shift interlock solenoid and checking to see where it lives and if it has its power and ground. It’s acting a lot like a traditional shifter does when it’s stuck in park because the interlock solenoid is faulty (that data pid you’re concerned about seems to support that in my estimation). The one difference being that when you do the override with the key and move the shift knob, it wants to kick it back to park. That almost makes me think there could be 2 problems here?! Look forward to seeing what happens next.🙂✌️
Good analysis. He should look into it wouldn't take too long I imagine
Door correlation: could it be the open hood that prevents the Gearshifter going out of P?
This is actually a good guess too. The hoods on Range Rovers during Ford owned years used to do this exact thing. Hood open car wouldn’t move I believe.
Imagine a world full of electric cars and no way home , ill keep driving my 1991 GMC 1500 thank you .
Electric cars are LESS complicated, not more.
@@GerardPinzone so your your a mechanic now ?
@@oldbiker9739 No. I just have an IQ over 100.
@@GerardPinzone good come back lol
Make an EV swap and get best of both :P
Ivan, it's not for the sake of complication. I work for one of the Big 3. Ivan, you can thank all the lawsuits in courts from people that "forget" to shift into Park when exiting the vehicle for this. It's hyper safety from lots of lawsuits and people being stupid being awarding millions of dollars! People's common sense is less and less every year! Soon, everyone will go to dials or smart push buttons. Ford, GM, Honda, Chrysler , Hyundai/ Kia and yes, Toyota! Thank the public.
It's a sad state of affairs...people who ":forget" to shift to park should NOT be driving in the first place haha
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Completely agree! I love driving and this is irritating to me also!
Let’s take this lawsuit business a step further , just a little food for thought. This happens WAY too often. These lawsuits are jury trials. What do hear from good honest working people when they get called for jury duty? Yeah, how can I get out of this, and they usually do. This erks the hell out of me. So who ends up on these jury’s, for the most part the ones that don’t know enough to park their cars before they get out, and do not work for their existence.
@@brianw8963 It's a broken system...I bet 90% of the lawsuits are due to people not taking personal responsibility and trying to blame someone else :(
The computer is not sure if the door is closed and thus it refuses to go out of park. That would be my guess.
I just dealt with a BMW convertible top. No codes. The entire top worked just fine. But the partition glass wouldn't go down. So you couldn't close the top once it was opened. Turned our to be the position sensor that was integrated into the window motor. This was a challenge because there no codes. No data in Mitchell. No data on Identifix. And no wiring diagrams available. The irony in adding more electrical components gives you less control of your car when something fails.
Happened to me one time. Water got in the cable sheathing and froze. Motor couldn't overcome the ice and just labored and clicked just like that.
I seem to remember when certain cars would slip out of park years ago, but this is a new twist of an old problem. Ford certainly has mastered the art of making the simple complicated!
Overengeneered crap, thanks for the video Ivan great video. Take care of yourself and family ❤️❤️👍.
Control module in the wheel well...we need to look no further!😆
Since that driver side door correlation code is a hard code, I'd remedy that first.
That might free up the rest of it for relearning.
So many of these manufacturers have a gift of obliterating simplicity. I had a similar situation a few weeks ago with my favorite little red transporter. Got it going (out of park) with my pocket knife and did a NPR repair when I got home with a small piece of wood and a “pin” to secure it. Covered the hole with a nicely shaped piece of 333.
It's called Lawsuits from getting run over by their own vehicles. After loosing Millions of $$ in needless lawsuits, the Auto manufactures have had to go to this more and more. Levers are going away like it or not due to stupidity!
@@Ram14250 The only thing these people should be awarded in a court should be a nicely framed Darwin Award, that they can hang on the wall.
This issue is certainly concerning since I will be in the process of helping my brother buy a new car shortly. I will definitely direct him away from any Ford product. And as Bombardier states below this is exactly why I’m keeping my 73 CJ 5 and my 72 Jeep commando as back ups
Toyota and Honda and even they are having issues.
I think we all need an old vehicle which can survive an EMP, for when the Chinese start dropping them from helium balloons. 😳 Plus, an antimagnetic watch.
Lolol I have always owned Fords. I currently have a 30 year old F150, and a 20 year old F150. YOU COULD NOT GIVE ME A JEEP OR ANY OTHER STELLANTIS PRODUCT. The old Willy's ones were good. I'm talking 40's and 50's. If your jeeps have a cable to activate the throw out bearing you better carry a spare. Lolol.
@@camberwellcarrot420Read "One Second After" you will have to find a 1950's vintage ride.
I'm thinking that it is in the module in the fender. Sorry, I forget that nomenclature of it. I believe the rotary switch is communicating to that module but that actuator there is not doing its job. Of course, you are much more experienced than I am at this. It will be interesting to see the final outcome as always.
This is why I'm keeping my 1961 ford 600 for a spare vehicle.
Very smart ! I personally prefer the older vehicles cuz no computer controls less complex.
Watched hours ago, Have been thinking about it. I agree with Ian's comment. I would go for the door first. Never thought about the seatbelt but it all makes sense.
See this is why I call you the teacher. You present a problem and want to see who comes up with a logical solution. Thank you for making me think.
I would change the "C.A.R. module" located precisely between the front and the rear bumper. 😜
Replace it with a Honda or Toyota car module! 😉
This vehicle is example of why sharp techs like Ivan will always have work. The mechanics that can't learn/understand the current/future technologies need to start looking for a new profession.
PS: I saw signs of creatures having been in the engine bay as Ivan was showing us the trans shift cable.
A friend of mine had one of the first Fiestas. About a year and a half in, it decided to shift into park at 80mph on the highway, and scattered the transmission. After a couple months at the dealership (this was pre-Powershift Scandal), Ford did a purchase-price buyback on the car. Never did find out what happened. :(
Needless to say, you have my full attention!
Wow that must have been spectacular xD
I don't think he's talking about a 1978 Fiesta.
@@lvsqcsl Those were very good cars. I think they were made in Germany before unreliable overcomplicated became synonymous with German cars, and now American too.
My next step would be powers/grounds/can-bus signal check. It's nuts how manufacturers think our lives would be soooo much better if we had fancy rotary electronic shifters and my biggest hatred - the electronic parking brake. We're talking about something so simple with a very, very low failure rate and they give us electronic complexity and the need for special tools to retract the pads for maintenance.
It's all to deter and/or prevent diyers from fixing their cars themselves, and to make owning a car ever more expensive.
Theres all this scam ass bullshit about how we need to save the planet by creating less waste/pollution and what not, and what are we getting ? Thats right, ever more throwaway junk with ever shorter lifetime, that takes even more resources and puts out even more pollution to recycle...
I can assure ya that we were cleaner and greener back in the 50's and 60's when the smog laid thick over LA like the ciggy smoke in the bars and pubs at the time.
I will never ever in my life buy a car newer than 2005! And when cars older than say 5yo gets outlawed and banned i'd rather quit driving alltogether than put up with this shit.
I think you meant powers and GROUNDS!
I can just imagine the engineering meeting in a conference room at Ford where they brainstormed on how to make shifting gears as complicated and failure prone as possible. No doubt someone got employee of the month for coming up with the idea of eliminating the gear shifter and adding unnecessary complexity.
🤣🤣🤣 100%!
I suspect they're trying to make everything modular. That TRCM is probably fitted to a number of different models and the encoder gets positions from the ECM for the particular transmission to which it is connected. The reason for this is price breaks at certain quantities in manufacture - the more they order, the cheaper the unit price becomes. They can then couple that TRCM to any number of different transmissions and 'shifters' without any redesign costs. Also, they no longer have to worry about stocking so many different essential parts for different vehicles.
I think fiat Chrysler was the same way, I've had this issue when I was working on a 2019 300C
@@TonyRule Then why is the backorder list so long? You would have thought they made millions of spare awful TRCMs haha
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Incompetence doesn't mix well with just-in-time supply chains. Just wait until China invades Taiwan and the semiconductor supply is strangled further!
I thought I had seen it all. I went to the local Ford Dealership and they had a 2019 Lincoln Continental sitting on the lot. It has the electric door handles. I opened the door and got in the front seat and then exited, closed the front door and got in the back seat. When I closed the rear door, it would not open. Apparently, the car had set there so long the battery went dead. I happened to notice the driver's door didn't close, so, I crawled to the front seat and got out. I called a friend of mine that works as a salesman at the dealership. He came over and connected a battery boost pack and got the driver's door closed. He also showed me there is an emergency latch under the armrest. What good is this stuff if it doesn't work and you must resort to using a "latch?" Great video!
WOW what a fail haha! And fancy Lincolns are notorious for parasitic draws so that car would be a real pain in the ass xD
Could it possibly be this door thing ? Maybe its the door module
My next step would be to step away for an hour or so, regroup, rethink what is working, what is not working. Reread service literature, forums, etc. for ideas. It appears the interlock and the GSM are fighting each other, as to what to do, based on their inputs.
I did all that...didn't help haha
Yes. This is (always) not the first car this happened to. (But I'm sure Ivan has read up on the Forlorn Ford Fora. )
As a person who also works as a mechanic. I hear my co-workers complaining all the time about how GE makes a junk product. Well, we should all be thrilled that they can not make something that lasts or else we would all be out of jobs..
I feel that is applicable here as well. Ivan and diagnostic guys on his level should be thrilled about these complicated failure prone electronics. Someday, they may be a group of a select few who can accurately diagnose this stuff.
Yes that is a valid viewpoint. But from an engineering standpoint, this particular system is utter garbage haha
I respectfully disagree with one thing sir. There were plenty of mechanics when I was growing up. I'm now 53. Good techs/mechs are a whole other breed of person though. Those are as rare as hen's teeth. Be well.
"Let's all be grateful that automobiles are shite lest we be out of a job." Yeah, nah. That's one of the daftest things I've read in a while.
FFS.
1:25 - same issue I had with my 2000 Pontiac Montana. All the figment databases said the Dorman replacement would only fit 2001 and up but luckily they were wrong. GM only sold the whole shift cable with bushing.
Since that emergency override button ( in glove box ) doesn't seem to be working, I'd look into that. As always, great learning experience watching you.
Door interlock signal fault to BCM indicating door is open, not allowing the shift module to unlock from park. Might be worth looking into.
Last car I bought was a base model Jetta with a 6 speed manual. I wanted the least amount of crap I could get on a vehicle.
It's the only way nowadays
The drivers door correlation error is because you did not lock the door before doing the self test. The self test expects to see the door both closed and locked to pass
I have an 07 Honda Odyssey. If they offered to trade me even up for a brand new one I would keep my old one.
GOOD CHOICE lol!
Shift cable frozen due to snow.
Motor's control electronics tries continuously to find the correct position but fails every try.
Causing the control motor's (plastic?) worm gear to break/damage off some teeth.
Maybe the different PWM readings at 8:40 (Gear Shift Module Output Duty Cycle) are an indication of this as well (% Commanded versus Measured).
Waiting for the next part...
its about the government being able to control all the buttons not you. no control cable for you.
Not sure the govt is to blame here... like for most other things haha
This is why I Bought a 6 speed manual equipped Car, It actually moves when in gear, No slipping B💩S, 2020 K20C2 powered Honda Civic Sport it gets my wife to work and back without a problem even when it -30⁰F outside 🌞.
Can I ask where you're located if it's -30 outside?
Ivan, it sounds like the door is correlating to the park shift module. GSM thing, that's what i saw in the video but it had to be input problem preventing it move. I hate those newfangled thing. I prefer old fashioned shift on the column!! Great video! I'm curious about what you find and the conclusion to the problem!
There is a bypass switch on the floor inside the centre console to the right of the shifter. Is a red switch. You can put hand under the console from the passenger side slide toward the shifter. Just inside the wall to console you’ll feel the switch.
If you go into the PID's section on your scan tool, look for BOO1 and BOO2. Those are your 2 brake switches. You need to make sure they are both working properly. It wouldn't be a bad idea to check the batteries in the key fob either. They need to be higher than 3 volts. 3.2, 3.3, etc... The tolerance is very low for those batteries to work properly. If you are not 100% sure, just replace them.
Also, I saw the wrench light was on. Sometimes that will come on instead of the MIL.
Also... _If a GSM self-test is performed, _*_do not apply the brake pedal_*_ A false P081F DTC will appear if the brake pedal is applied during the self-test_
Ivan so maybe i wasn't following close enough but when you went through the calibration test did he arm on the cable mechanism that controls the cable was it moving at all? If not shouldn't it be the motor was sounding like it should have been? Im speaking of that module that is in the inner wheel well area..
Hey Ivan, this is a good one. Going after the door code. Door sounds a bit sketchy upon closing,may be latching a bit funky,leading to a wonky signal/input. Engineers meeting..."let's eliminate the shifter"..."ya and use a knob and a module and a motor"! ... "Ya and make it like a video controller"!..Ya! That would be soo cool!!..."Ok good meeting"! Grrr engineers!!!
I think I would go to the bcm and check the door latch signals, try and resolve that correlation code and go from there. I agree no codes in the gear shift module is a clue that this is a input problems. I know you'll fix it even with service info being less than par.
Electronics can fail but simple PRNDL indicator devices can also fail when the contact points break, leaving a vehicle stranded. I have see TWO transmissions rebuilt before the PRNDL device was found to be broken.
I’ve owned one of these cars and if you open the door, it will shift into park. So it’s possible there’s something wrong with the door switch or related component.
It thinks something is wrong with the door so you will have to follow that circuit. Does that cable box by the fender still try to run with that selector removed.
If not then manually activate each output from the selector plug to where ever it goes to ECM? See if the cable control box responds to that correctly.
If it does keep running then it must be what ever controls that cable box.
I’m just curious why you didn’t check communication between the tcm and range module. Maybe it’s a LIN bus. I’m not sure.
This is FYI only. I always love your approach
This happens often on my Ford Fusion. No fun when it was 30 degrees out and all the kids in the car.
Sometimes if I pump the brakes and then push the pedal all the way to the floor, the gear lets loose and lets me move from park to drive.
that gear noise does sound like when the crown vic actuator door plastic gear rips a tooth off. and then nutty people rip the whole dash forward to replace it when its 100% accessible through the glovebox ;) breaking the rear screw clip off which isnt needed cuz just 1 holds it tightly in place...
This seems to be a trend w automakers: overly complicated problematic systems to replace simple driver controls. The electronic parking brake is bad enough, but this will burn customers even more. Where is Ford going with all this? Waiting on part 2
My 14 Ram has the ZF 8speed with rotary dial shifter. At some point during recall fixes the dealer updated the computer logic such that if the driver's door is not fully latched and the seat belt is not buckled the unit will slap itself back into park. I guess morons were getting out without putting it in park and running over themselves. They didn't tell me they did that so the first time I was backing a trailer and leaning out the door to see better I thought something had broken as it wouldn't let me shift. If it were my dodge, I'd definitely try to run down that door code. (Another "benefit" of that setup on the dodge, since the shifter dial is near the radio volume, is every time a Nickelback song comes on you end up jamming it into park as you try to turn it down. 🙂)
"I guess morons were getting out without putting it in park and running over themselves."
I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers all put in this kind of "interlock" after the news of Anton Yelchin's death, who was run over by his own car in his driveway.
@@Stoney3K Suicide by stupidity
Great job Ivan!
Ivan make sure the door is closed when you shift. On my 2015 dodge durango, it wont let me shift if the tailgate or the drivers door is open. Ford might be doing the same thing now.
I showed door data pid was changing correctly :)
They rehired the engineer who brought us the dual clutch trans, " I have another great idea".
HAHA that guy is brilliant! 🤣
Not certain but I believe all doors need to be shut including the hood in order to select out of park. I had a 5th generation Ram that anytime I opened the driver door with gear selected in drive or reverse it would automatically go into park.
At first I was thinking the brake interlock switch now I'm wondering if it's the driver side door lock preventing too shift out of park. What's next by "Ford Safety" an unbuckled seat belt will lock out the transmission.
Correct, shifting is DISABLED if door is open and seat belt unbuckled :)
@Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics My daughter n law has a newer hybrid Fusion. I've driven it a couple times. I definitely don't like that shifter knob. The car acts strange enough as is without having problems.
This has to be frustrating to work on, and not so much fun, when you are outside in cold weather. The outro says "Continued in Part 2" - that leaves open the possibility that there could be more than 2 episodes. I hope you nail it in the next episode (especially for your customer), but we shall see.
Nice video. I would be doing some research on the correlation code from the door. Also did you check for brake lights? There might be something in that circuit.
Obviously, the customer ignored the Ford dealership for to long and big brother shut the car down. 😂
I would make certain that the vehicle is insured, especially in case of an electrical fire. Nod, Nod, Wink, Wink. Due to problems with the prior year vehicles not going into park, Ford built a return to park system into the 2017 models that is supposed to put the transmission into park if the driver attempts to exit the vehicle. The error codes you were seeing for the drivers door might be causing it to stay in park.
I'm 9 minutes in and it's the door code. I just ran across this on a completely different forum this morning. People were listing their gripes about new cars and one guy said his 2022 F150 would throw the truck in park even while it was still moving if the door was opened. The car doesn't know the status of the door so it's keeping it in park.
I have a 2016 with the previous shifter. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if a similar thing could happen even with the old shifter style. Thankfully I have a 00 f150 as well
Hi Ivan, what is wrong with the door, well what is wrong with it is that you opened the door and entered that particular vehicle being FORD. I would look at the door code to correct it first. If the car's door is not properly closed then it may not go into shifting, It has a logic to it. Thank you
I agree. I had to make a house call to get this guy's Mercedes out of park that was stuck at a boat landing. Had some piece in the console style shifter assembly that is known to break eventually and leave the driver stranded in a parking lot or in their driveway or a traffic signal or railroad crossing.
what a pain looks like I won't be working on any of that!!! good luck IVAN!!!
I have a 2010 Fusion with the 4cyl and a 6spd manual. Only other option is mid range stereo system with sync. Only has 95K KM on it. I would love a newer automatic, but I can't help but want to keep the simple aspect of my current car.
@8:00 I am pretty sure it will be a bad foot brake switch.
The force to P is potentially the return to park feature when the car is being exited or tuned off.
Was the driver door closed and locked when you ran the gsm self test? Wondering if p116b was a false code or not
Door was closed but not locked...so yes false code :)
Is there a brake pedal switch that could be buggered?
I appreciate the videos ..Not a chance i ever buy or own one of these newer cars or truck . I seen the cables come apart and get fouled.. i even just replaced the worn cable in the with the proper size and not but a expensive cable assembly
I know that most of these electronic shifter mechanisms will automatically shift to park when the driver door it open, driver seat belt is open, and your foot is off the brake. If the computer thinks the door is open, you're not going anywhere. The shift interlock override is just that. It should allow the user to shift the transmission out of park if and when the shifter interlock fails to operate normally. IMO, I would start investigating the driver door latch next.
I had similar case with my Saturn Aura. Couldn't shift the gear shifter from park to either drive, rear or neutral. It happened in winter. I had to keep car running for about 30 minutes, then could shift to drive. A dealership's service replaced Automatic floor gear shifter for about $500.
I think it has something to do with the drivers door. If it thinks the door isn't closed or shut all the way, (whatever that is), it won't shift out of park until it is properly secured. Something like that...
I am confused here. During the test, the shift motor was making noises and not shifting. So it has to be a bad shift motor right?
Maybe, maybe not. We'll find out in Part 2 😁
Some cars have dual brake switches for redundancy. I did see Brake switch 2 in your log. If they aren't working as they should then you might get problems. Earlier just the cruise control failed.
This happened to my car on Saturday. Nobody was open when it happened so I had to wait until today to get it done. I called a tow company and when he got here he said he was gonna have to drag it because it was stuck in park. Well he gets in it turns it on and it freaking starts working! Perfectly fine!! I paid $125 for basically no reason bc the bushing isn’t covered over 2016. I’m wondering if when you reset the gear shift or override it if you just have to turn the car off and back on and that’s how you get it to work! Because my car is fine now and the transmission light isn’t on anymore either.
At 10:31 at the top of the screen, there is an entry labeled "Brake transmission shift interlock hardwired input indicates transmission should not leave the park position" It is currently "YES"
Also, the next line down is on a similar note "Brake transmission shift interlock system is preventing leaving the park position"and is "YES"
YES
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Just got to the part of the video where you point that out also XD
I've had some newer cars that I've worked on it won't let you shift out of park with the door open or your seatbelt not put on.
I feel you pain Ivan. I am terrified of getting a new car. Been looking at ES350, GX, and Avalon. I think these are pretty good. Nothing wrong with my RX300 but the problem with Toyota is that you end up driving a car for sooo long with no problems, you get bored of it.
I just picked up a 98 Camry V6 for a grand to use as a spare beater loaner... Already slightly bored with it 😅
I would be checking all the door data pids as usually a correlation code means the computer is receiving conflicting data about about one particular part or system.