Why New Cars SUCK (Ford Fusion STUCK in PARK?! - Part 2)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- When all else fails (including calling Keith DeFazio), it's time for the PARTS CANNON!
Choice 1: Gear Shift Module (GSM) or
Choice 2: Transmission Range Control Module (TRCM)?
Lots of juicy bonus footage included ;)
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Enjoy the pain!
Ivan
Ivan, that little pawl that was sitting under the housing, right were the spring connects its supposed to be out of the housing not in. It only goes in the housing when the small single motor activates the cam and pulls the pawl down some. The unit got over extended and now the timing is off. Its “home pisition is on that tab about the 11 o’clock position when the small motor is at the 12. If you spap things back into place, it should work and pass its “home position test”. The chip determines the home position by forcing rotation of the motors against the stop and watching for a current rise. Just like an electronic throttle body does its check.
We are resorting ti opening these units too because if the shortage. And check this out, we at the local mother ship do not have any more “software access” to this module then what you do. The Mexico mothership does. Sickenning.
That's interesting. I read on some forum that you had to have the trouble codes to properly diagnose this problem, but you have to have access to a special scanner or scanner software to access these codes. Flys in the face of DIY repairs, let alone professional diagnosticians, repairs!
Excellent information. I was beginning to think that maybe one of the motors had burnt out. But your explanation seems spot on.
Thanks for the detail on that. So it was an input problem from the module.
I knew it was a pawl. Either an actual one on the drum, or a baby plastic pawl!! lol.
Thanks for that really great explanation on how this device works. When Ivan pondered over where the position sensor is I went back over the vid looking for more wires and maybe a proximity switch. Not seeing any I thought maybe it it's monitoring current but ended up deciding, naw, it's got to be simpler and more positive design. Son of a gun, nope they made it complicated and sketchy. So is the small motor that controls the movable plate a stepper?
As car's become increasingly autonomous I suppose we're going to continue to see subassemblies become increasingly complex. Not that this vehicle is autonomous, but no doubt Ford is trying to stabilize their inventory across all model lines as the transition plays out. In the process reliability will suffer and we'll have to put up with nonsense like this until more cleverly designed simplified systems are devised to do the same job at a fraction of the cost, weight, and failure rate. Look at the evolution of computers. Every industry goes through its growing pains, but because of it, someday our grandchildren are going to look at us and say, "wow, you actually drove a car with a steering wheel and foot peddles!"
Now this video is out, Ivan just saved many many customers so much money in diagnosis fees and parts cannon costs and it only cost Ivan several hours of his skilled time. Kudos and bravo to Ivan.
1000% TRUTH👍👍👍
And everyone who encounters this same problem in the future owes Ivan a big thank you.Maybe even donate a little $$ his way for the training that we all got for free
Several hours of diag, when a traditional shift lever would have cost Ivan maybe a half hour. Necessary diagnosis on something that is unnecessary. Just like push button start, cylinder deactivation and stop-start, which add a ton of complication for things that are of very little benefit.
I hope he charged the dealer the full amount! Obviously, even the dealer isn't smart enough to understand how their product works.
Bad move - Just because THIS problem happens to be one option does not mean the next one won't be one of the other possibilities. It means you can narrow it down faster but don't assume that what ails one vehicle is going to ail them all.
I'm so glad my 2022 Toyota 4runner has the good old-fashioned shift lever.
Also, auto shifting into park is a stupid feature. Sometimes when I'm backing into a parking spot I open my door so I can see how close my wheels are to the curb along side me. I have my seat belt on so it's not like I'm going to fall out.
We used to call it a hard reset, get a 40oz glass bottle and a piece of of tee-shirt about 3" wide by 18" long , fill the bottle with whatever kind of gas you like stuff half the rag in there turn it upside down for a few seconds then light the rag and this part is very important throw the bottle at the car, problem solved
Now this series comes right on time I have that exact same vehicle on the shop right now with almost the same problem shift cable is broken and will have to wait till it comes in and see
Actually the point about the sound unit makes, is a good one. When the manuals are not providing the answer and no trouble code, the solution could be recording the sound of the actuator and compare it to the working one. Car dealerships might have similar used car and it's quick to record and compare. Now we know the sound of Focus module, but for the next time with so another car..
2024 they add sensors to detect if you put your hand out of the window and automatically put the car on park.... Or something. How on earth they are still able to sell a hammer or ladder to general public and not get sued?
Man that is just the kind of music to relax youre soul, 15.28 , I'll remember
I bet that with the new Ford shift terrain feature that is going to a major nightmare when it goes bellyup.
Adjusting the cable throw
Called it, glad it turned out to be a simple part replacement after many many hours of diag.
Jeff Goldblum's character in Jurassic Park put it best - "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should"
These days any process or system that's been around a while someone will call "outdated" and find a more expensive, more complex, less reliable way to do it. They'll say its "better" because it's got more chips and wires and the iPhone crowd will eat it up.
If it needs 2 motors to pull cable? Maybe 1 of the stepper motors failed. That might be why it made struggling noises during relearn. Feed each one power, give it a load? Idk, I ’m guessing here.
34:40 "that's Darwinism" - EXACTLY, as long as I'm not the guy who runs over the Darwin-ee 🤣
Crazy - Hate it when the information is not available to us. I feel the pain :)
This is why cars are so expensive. You have a group of engineers spending 100's hours designing parts that were never needed in the first place. Consumers keep getting dumber and dumber and everything has to be push button or touch screen.
Sad times indeed 😕
Great experience learned.. I know Ivan was definitely gonna defeat!🎉
This one realy had you stumped I th0ought you was going to break down in tears at one time out of frustration and I can relate to that..
Now that I think of it, this rotary knob transmission gear selector is a modern version of Chrysler’s push button gear selector of the late 1950s. It lasted for a couple of years, and then they switched back to the conventional lever, I guess due to problems. Time will tell if this gadgetry fad fades away🤔
That's so funny, TH-cam runs Ford adds on your videos offending me over and over again to buy 2023 Ford Fusion! Honestly, I am so happy with my Old school Mitsubishi Delica:)
Btw, awesome diag/repair video as usual!
I wonder what the IDS reset would have done to that old motor assembly.
Beautiful. Thank you. Nice view of the road.
Two comments:
1. The reason the part (made in Mexico) is on national back order is because the the number of "migrants" from Mexico have depleted their work force. On the upside, maybe enough have come into this country so that parts can once again be labeled "made in America".
2. From the teardown video it appears that there is at least one Ford engineer channeling Rube Goldberg.
I would bet someone in Ford marketing decided some competitor had a dial shifter and they needed it too, but didn't want to invest any money for the engineers to redesign the system to do it in a reasonable fashion, and so they ended up with this tacked on mess. I would bet it ended up with the actuator jammed in the fender well because they happened to have space left over there. Apparently they didn't spend enough time to implement proper DTC logic either..
Man , great job !! that was a mother , but you won brother !That TRCM is one over complicated piece of crap!
You reckon, a summary execution is in order,for the guy that designed this to replace the mechanical shifter. I only watched this because the Chrysler200 hundred had that shifter wheel and I said it would be nothing but trouble. Maybe I was right! The Chrysler 200 is no more, ditto for the Fusion!
made in Mexico kind of says it all thanks again for the lesson have a great day!
Mercedes 9 g-tronic hat auch Shift by wire im Geriebe integriert. Durch ansteuern der elektrischen Ölpumpe wird durch Magnetventile der Schalthebel im Getriebe hydraulisch geschaltet.😂 Wählhebel am Lenkrad
Sounds bulletproof 😅👌
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics ja German Ingeneering ich hatte die 5g-tronic im Clk 230 Planetenträger durch defektes Nadellager komplett kaputt bei etwas über 120tsd miles. Mein Bruder 7g-tronic im CLK 350 Probleme mit TCU im Geriebe somit Tausch TCU und Programming aber bei 180tsd miles. Nun fährt er C220d mit 9-gtronic ich fahre Toyota , warten wir ab was passiert 😂
Ivan, did you have to do the shift cable relearn after you replaced module/motor.
Nope it just worked perfectly plug and play!
I own one of these cars, if this happens to me I would take the cable off that motor get it through the firewall then pull or push the cable to shift gears. Thank You for finding the problem, now I know.
You'd be lost without Keith I couldn't live without someone like that they're so handy for things like this because I'm no mechanic so I'd end up given up
Ah in the olden days we would just put in a Hurst floor shifter. But then the car would not be able to self park without the computer shift cable!.
Figured that was the culprit, the noise was sort of the clue. bottom line you got it after the fact someone else had there mItts on it, further you had no GOOD KNON NEED WORKING UNIT
Beautiful; winter day, Ivan you need stronger coffee.
As a fellow TH-camr it can sometimes be hard to show when your wrong, so hat’s off to you for that. Great find in the end 💪💪👍
I own a car with this system. Lesson for me is to make the bushing a point of maintenance by squirting a bit of lubrication on it at the oil change. Maybe helps, can't hurt.
Make sure it doesn't soften the plastic 😅
Never thought you would do the parts canon
At least I narrowed it down to 2 parts 😂
It's the idiocy and hypocrisy of the Nanny State. They're trying to fix stupid people and they never will. Even worse, they make vehicles heavier and more complex all the while demanding better fuel mileage! Damn them to hell. Really enjoyed this one Ivan. Thanks! (PS, I think I would have made a junk yard run to find a used motor.)
I just traded up from a 2012 to a 2022 GM truck. It blew my mind how complex the new one is. Heaven forbid I have too many problems, I’ll go find a square body somewhere.
My bro could not leave the gas station in his 2014 Dodge ram pickup, stuck in park, had it towed to the garage, they told him nothing wrong with it. More dial shift garbage.
Def the turbo encabulator
Is the brake pressed sensor or all of the doors closed sensors working
Ford “I know, lets fit a completely unnecessary, heavy, expensive unit, put it in a inhospitable location and use plastic gears in it instead of a lever” What could possibly go wrong 😂
If they wanted to go fancy with shift by wire, why the hell couldn't they just attach a shift motor directly to the range selector the same way that shift by wire transfer cases work? I'm blown away at how over complicated they made that with a motor but still used a shift cable. Crazy.
I would check all the transistors if I had to strip the board bare. Also figure out where to drill a hole and shove a nail in it to override its sense manually. Build up a test rig devoid of the car.
All to keep mom from backing out of the garage with the door open, sheesh
THAT WAS AWESOME...STILL THINK THAT THIBG ARE GOING THIS WAY FOR ALL THE CARS MADE FROM 2000 TO THIS YEAR.....
I’m glad my 2020 civic SI still has 3 pedals
Excellent brotha good job
Thanks!
Hey does the new TRCM. make noise like the old one...????
Yeah Ivan I'm pissed off about it....and I'm just watching your torturous travail.
amen, manufacturers putting electronic fly by wire touchscreen heavy complicated crap where cables and knobs and buttons used to work just fine, very very frustrating to me too. two computers three motors dozens of wires and microchips and nonsense so you don't have a shifter anymore, crap. can't pull up on my door lock knob, have to push an electric button in the middle of the dash. can't see what radio station is on because ford sync has a complaint screen that it's not connected to a phone so 911 won't work. we don't want more screens and buttons we want a car that works!
everyone wants to follow what the "luxury" brands are doing and include that in their cars. this is one example. this kind of crap you will see in the "luxury cars" so they must include it in the not so luxury ones to make people happy. the common pedestrian always want what they see in the "luxury" cars. and of course, the manufacturer loses nothing. one more expensive module that will go wrong and the customer will have to buy
You know the old saying. Why fix something that's not broken.
Of course it's on back order. They're breaking left and right. By the way we've been seeing a lot of Ford Focus DPS6 transmissions in our shop. The reason I'm mentioning it is because the first time we ran into this issue we were a bit stuck on the diagnoses. But what happens is the transmission shift fork gears have a stop that's built into the casting of the transmission case. That stop breaks off. And so the gears can't find their stop points. And you lose all gear engagement. The way you know is that there's an inspection cover for both gears. Remove them and if you can turn the gears infinitely that case is broken. The solution? Remove transmission. Install new case. Crazy.
Dual clutch is garbage... I won't touch them 😅
Edwin, when you say remove the inspection covers and turn the gears are you referring to removing the A and B shift motors and using the Ford tool (in the clutch kit) to run the shift fork gears in both directions? There is obviously quite a bit documented about all the various issues with the DPS6 transmission but what you're describing above is one I don't see much info on ..... at least for the general public. Is there a TSB for the broken case stops? I'm assuming the aforementioned broken case stops were likely not the issue on Ivans car or else the problem would have repeated itself?
Good info to know. 👍 Those DPS6's are my bread & butter. I've done alot of clutch kits on them have never seen that gear issue( knock on wood)
@Greg On the side of the transmission, or if you're looking at it outside the car it would be the back of the transmission, there are 2 plugs that can be removed. As soon as you remove them you'll see spur gears. The components you're referring to isn't what I'm talking about. Those yes you use to sst the clutch for first relearn of the touch points. Those are for the clutch forks. The ones I'm referring to are for the shift drums that control the shift forks.
Lemme guess. The case is on back order too, right?
Very much enjoyed this one, albeit at your expense. it brought back memories of similar stressful trbl shooting and loss of sleep at remote locations (digital turbine controls; the aerospace industry wasn't immune to bizarre failures). Another well done, and thanks for the extended teardown. As always, in the end something is learned.
My transmission range control module is comprised of my left foot and my right hand. And I'm keeping it that way for as long as possible.
You and me both
Same here
You described my two girlfriends as well.
Great comment 👌😁
Amen Brother! I too have a five speed mellinial anti-theft device in my 94 F150.
Note to self..instead of flipping a " parts cannon coin, heads or tails" just call the dealer and ask for both parts. the one on back order gets statistically more likely
Wouldn't be out of stock if other weren't buying them up...there's a reason they sell out of one part.
In other words...the part thats on backorder is the likely culprit
I can't believe I called it in Part 1. I was going off the sound of the TRCM. I once worked on a start/stop station with limit switch for travel ranges that did a very similar thing. It was part hunch, part experience, and part lucky guess with some knowledge of what you had already tried. I'm happy to see you fought through that trying problem.
You and me brother
Yea I was really surprised he tried replacing the nob after the first video. Seem d pretty obvious to me where the problem was.
@@joshg1244 I think Ivan thought the "brains" of that system were in the console. I at first thought so as well. It took until the very end of Part 1 for me to think hard on it. And I'm far from being 100% on anything. I can cut a guy a break.
I was certain Ivan was gonna call that piece of garbage in the fenderas I did.
Here as well. I've been watching lots of Ivan's videos and this is the first time I've ever been able to identify the faulty part before he did. I feel like I should be celebrating a victory or something, lol.
Shift by wire = stupid. But unfortunately a lot of cars are going to it. And if you work on a lot of Euros you're used to it by now. As you stated this is a learning experience. It's always like that. You get something you've never seen. It kicks your ass. Then when you finally have the answer it all seems so obvious. Good work brother. I'm always thankful for you, Mario and Eric. I'm constantly updating my diagnostic techniques based on the knowledge nuggets you guys put out there. Still see guys that don't know how to use a scope. And in some ways I sometimes feel like I overstate the importance of having that particular. But I think it's extremely important. To me it's not just knowing how to use a scope properly. It's that knowing how to use one also expands your understanding of how things work. Went on a tangent there. Anyway thanks for the content.
Should be called "sh!t by wire" instead,
Thank you for your support Edwin 🙂👍
it isn't really shift by wire, it's just a servo pulling a regular shift cable, a useless needless overlay by ford...
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics He's right about the scope. Anyway, the reason this system is used is there's a self park option on some of Fords vehicles. The car has to be able to shift on its own. There is also a recall on the transmission cable bushing. The bushing itself gets replaced, along with a cap that covers the end of the cable.
Also, I'm not sure if you realized that this car has 2 brake switches. On your scanner, it showed information on brake switch number 2. I know the problem was elsewhere on this vehicle, but its very common to have issues with them. If you go into data logger and look at the PID's for the shift interlock system, the brake switches are labeled BOO1 and BOO2.
If you work on a lot of Fords, it would be worth it to get IDS and FDRS. They use the same hardware, and the cost if fairly reasonable compared to most other brands. Ford is obsessed with making complicated designs. Way more than any of the other mainstream car brands. I work for them. All of our experienced techs are leaving for other brands and are being replaced with lube techs.
But it only takes 3 or 4 scanners because one can't do them all, unfortunately.
Sometimes thats the only choice left is the most probable "parts cannon part replacement" vs customer wait downtime. As for a 2017 automobile having a parts back order and your number 500 + on the wait list. We are headed for a big wait on the availability of everything from toilet paper, OSB plywood, to currently eggs! Take me back pre pandemic days!
It's only getting started. So get comfortable for the collapse
@@JohnDoe-ef3wo Made in Mexico but it must have parts of it made in China. Once someone figures out what part went bad there will be a cottage industry fixing them.
Thanks Biden !!!!
@@hikerJohn I agree. Mexico doesn't have the industrial might.
Our youth in America (on the whole, not individually) are lazy, uninspired, uneducated and have no desire to work. They have been conditioned to get a trophy for losing, go home and play video games, then get some kind of check (welfare, “disability”, Covid relief, non-ending unemployment) from the government and call it a day. Not sure you want anything that is “made in USA” anymore, it’s not going to be much better than anything else.
Wow. Interesting autopsy. Was hoping to see something broke or stripped but with such a complicated mechanism , that could turn into a mini series. It would seem to Me that a simple rack & pinion system could have been designed to do the task, but what do I know. That had to be a scary price for that part! Nice work Ivan.👍👍
Why not this unit attached to the transmission run by wire and leave out the linkages? Simple but sidesteps towing perhaps when needed?
Did You notice the size of it?
@@brianw8963 yeah about the size and weight of a big starter 🤣 What a joke!
This kind of functionality is inside of a lot of transmissions. IMHO, Ford moved it out of the transmission, maybe because it was a known failure point. It's a double edge sword, since having this in the transmission means a trans out rebuild or a new transmission. I think the reason why Ivan did not find this more quickly is that the ThinkTools scanner has the wrong label on the PID......
@@larrybe2900 This feels like an add-on to an existing drivetrain. There may not have been room on the transmission. The placement of the device suggest they were concerned about surviving engine bay temperatures.
While still watching the video: is it possible that the TRCM motor is trying to rotate the opposite way? No, it was a mechanically locked. Nice to see you overcome this absurd trap, Ivan!
Undocumented, unnecessary and over expensive complication by Ford, just because! And they're on a long back order!! The TRCM teardown was the juicy part of this video :-)
I guess the motor position is sensed by increased current when hitting the stop positions (widely used in other applications, to avoid sensors or stop switches).
This is the mother of all overcomplicated systems! And just to replace a manual lever, that was just too simple for the minds of modern automotive engineers.
Darwinism indeed.
I kind've understand why they did this. Push button start increases the possibility of someone exiting the vehicle and forgetting to put it in park.
At least with keyed ignition, you have to put it in park to get your key out of the igntion.
IDK still way too much engineering. Lol
Thank you for posting, great job as always.
Exactly why they did it this way. Someone I think it was in Massachusetts ran them selves over and sued. They said that the car should have auto parked.
Wouldn't it be simpler to disable the start button if it's not in park AND you haven't got your foot on the brake?
@@dreadnaught2707 it's about you leaving it in drive,, taking your seat belt off and opening the door. The idea was that it would auto park if that happened
Ah, right.
@@bryanfischer2443 Anton Yelchin died, now we have to deal with this crap
Really makes me think to keep my Ford Ranger 2005 5 speed manual with 65,000 miles instead of getting rid of it just because it is old. And I only live a couple hours from State College PA, lol. I have been told surface rust underneath only, frame solid but needs some overdue maintenance of fluids. After watching this video, I am thinking the new Maverick is NOT the way to go. *** THANK YOU *** for all the wonderful replies ... I will take the advice and appreciate it.
Dont buy yourself a new problem
Please keep it, please save yourself a lot of money and trouble 😅!
You just getting it broken in!
If you're not in the rust belt, you can run the Ranger for a long time!
Keep it, spend a little money on any minor work it needs. Sell it when it becomes an antique. 😊
This contraption is a fine example of Rube Goldberg machine. What baffles is that it passed all the steps through conception, approval, design, prototyping, and commercial production. I am thinking of all the engineers and management teams giving a nod that it is a great idea. Let's implement.
I do find it hard to believe that any one engineer said OK. Representatives of shareholders said OK.
When you see the CONTINENTAL ECM you know Ford had the opportunity to select from a rich pannel of pretested failures 😁
Having been in this field (development and implementation) I can absolutely tell you that 90% of the time, all the engineers are on the same side as all of you. It is ALWAYS the bean counters that convince corporate on either an initial production savings, a long term service revenue (fixing it down the road), or the ability to sell more units by promoting additional “safety”. Once corporate (very few in corporate started life as engineers) makes their decision, you as the engineer press forward with the company decision. So please….stop blaming the engineers…their bosses are making the decisions and the bean counters are who they listen to the most!
Where was the person who was supposed to say 'This is stupid?'
I think the engineers deserve some of the blame in this case. Look how complicated that actuator assembly is. Three motors, two circuit boards. A simple RC servo like design would have probably worked fine.
The stress of electronic auto diagnosis, pressed with time is money, is unique. You can go from sailing strong to sunk in a flash. A mistake can cost thousands in needless parts. The complexity grows faster than understanding. Keep in mind, airplane drive by wire has 3 redundant paths. Great job!
Fixing that was a huge pain in the ass,I could feel your frustration ,you will probably see many more of these in years to come,great video Ivan
check the capacitors because if they were shot then the motor will not have enough juice to turn and pull the cable. you can measure the rated Mfu.
Oh suuuuure...
Thinking the same
Gotta love cheap caps.
its not the caps...
Wouldn't a blown capacitor make a smell?
Looks like you are the 2nd person to replace this, I am surprised they didn't just use a linear actuator right on the transmission.
Or just a stepper motor or a servo connected to the arm receiving the cable.
Pretty sure that small motor moves that cam plate and allows the shifter to shift. There must be a sensor on/near that small motor that responds when the park lock has actuated. That would explain why your calibration test didn't work because the "safety" lock never unlocked -would also explain your scan tool PID never changing. My guess is that cheap little motor or a mosfet gave up. That module looks like something BMW would do. Great video.
BMW's sihft by wire controls transmission valve body directly, no stupid shift modules involved.
I think the small motor operates that cam plate to allow for fine adjustment of the trans shift positions during it's learn process. If not for fine adjustment, it may be some sort of P position locking detent.
Possibly the small motor is what is being powered up when you put the key in that shift over-ride slot in the centre console when it allows the controller to work momentarily?
Theory being, the small motor moves the cam plate which moves that lever, and in turn the lever unlocks the main shift assembly...dunno, just more stupid complexity really🤷
Thanks for watching ????? How about THANKS for sharing. No, I don't own this type car, BUT, the amount of future repairs done by mechanics will find this video PRICELESS. Well, Uber is probably making out with over 500 cars waiting on this part.
That transmission shift system falls under the category of what I call "Needless Levels of Complexity".
Great job there Ivan yeah I agree there are way too many controls on all these vehicles way too much we will have to D -technologicalize ourselves also I've heard some real horror stories about the Ford clutch control module where the lever is no longer a controlling the clutch it is a motor like this thing had what do we have to do!!. As a retired mechanic I really like the idea of being retired with all this technology that's being thrown at us for no reason at all and the sad part of it is the customers gotta pay for it it's absolute garbage and the companies are totally in control of us go to the dealer my every scan tool on the market for every customer for every car made absolutely putting us out of business Needless to say the frustration level is off the chart if you built it you should be able to diagnose how to fix it God bless you there Ivan
Yep. After 45 years of this retirement is bliss. Can’t imagine the stress level on new car techs. I suspect most dealer techs fire parts cannon. Warranty time usually gives them less than an hour to diagnose 😳
Always be skeptical, never trust and never forget you know more about the situation you're in than any manual writer or software programmer did when they wrote their things. I was always cursed with solving the "hard-to-solve problems" when working at Ford dealership(Other OEMs are the same, I am sure). I always got the thing solved but guess what? When the shop is flat rate and there is a problem vehicle, the best you get is so-called "straight time"....Time and materials really. Others around you are making 2X+ what you are but, you're solving the problems. Yes, I am very very glad to be out of that business. I do appreciate the thinking part of it though. That's why I watch your vids. Vids weren't around when I was doing what you are. Thanks for sharing the pains.
Brother I was your counterpart at a Chrysler Dealer. The "More you know the less you get paid" scenario. No incentive to continue learning. Flat rate should be abolished in this and age. After watching apprentices taking home bigger paychecks doing brakes and front end work I finally walked from the trade as well. Mangers couldn't care less and would admonish me for not helping out the lesser experienced mechanics on my time and dime. Sad seen a lot really good mechanics leave the trade. Love Ivan's videos they show exactly why flat rate doesn't work.
I couldn't imagine working for a dealer... Probably wouldn't last a day 🤣
keeping it simple will keep it reliable , what a disaster of a setup , great video always enjoy watching
It's being done by design. Nothing last like it did back in the day. Everything from overpriced car's and trucks, washing machines, refrigerator's etc.All 💩
The next question is.......how is it that you can't get the part from a dealership but you can find and purchase one on ebay?
Perhaps the assembly workers were partially paid in "product" ?
Can someone explain to me how this design is considered "automotive progress" ??? Another amazing experience Ivan.
Clearly the more beep boop parts the more future.
It's designed for people who can't think for themselves and lack common sense to put it in park before you get out of the car or put your foot on the brake and not the accelerator before you put it in gear.
@@SuperBuzzbomb Except it's going to train some (mostly new) drivers that they don't need to put the trans into park before exiting the vehicle (think food delivery drivers). Then when they start driving a vehicle which doesn't do that.....crunch!
I think a group of engineers had a big budget and spent it over engineering the POS part or...they were getting kick backs from the supplier :)
If Ivan feels shift by wire is stupid he’s going to be shocked by a lot of newer vehicles as they age out of manufacture warranty
Future ,no one will be able to get parts for these cars !!!
Thank you Ivan! Helps us jump ahead when we encounter the same issues. Reminds me of some of the craziness I found on 80’s cars during the transition from carb to injection. Senseless of Ford to approve of that design. All about the $. Using a cheap manual shift transmission valve (old tech) with motorized cable control so they can look like a computer controlled trans…. 😂
This certainly was a good one Ivan. I personally have not run into this problem yet. The closest job to this I had was with a mini coper clubman 500. The customer complaint was the radio and hvac had stopped working and no crank / no start. The no crank / no start issue was because the transmission was stuck in drive. It had developed a short in the shifter knob and in effect, melted the connector and wire harness going to it and thankfully blew the fuse for it in the nick of time. This same fused circuit also powers the radio and hvac system. They later stated that the cabin filled with smoke while driving. It looked like someone spilled a sticky, syrupy drink onto the center console and it almost burned the car to the ground. Shift by wire is stupid IMHO. I hate them.
These car will also catch fire and burn you to death if you run into a house
you saved a lot of mechanics' time in the future by doing this video. lots of value added
Reminds of bmws when a door isn't closed and it shunts it back in park. Pain when doors are closed and the contacts fussing up the inputs which only sometimes showed on scan tool. New cars you can keep until the bugs are sorted thanks 👍
Thank you for showing me a car I will never ever buy. You’ve saved me thousands!
I suspect the small motor is a shift lock. And for some reason, it wasn't able to unlock. That's why the one PID was always "YES". The lack of a code when the shifter is flashing is because the programmer didn't think to add a timeout check on what's a normal function. Programming good error codes is actually a higher skill than making things work normally. You have to imagine all the ways things can go wrong.
Step Zero: check for national backorder!
LOL 😂
sadly - not a bad idea. I'm still perplexed as to WHY Ford would make something so complicated and dependent for a function that would only require, Lord help us, HUMAN input, a lever and a cable. Was this, as Ivan pointed out, all to allow the tranny be forced into park if a door was open?
Glad you got it figured out. You called it in the last video when you said it was a mechanical issue with no codes.
Interesting case study. Thanks for sharing.
But yet the car new there was a problem and locked up the shift nob, so if the system detected an error why didn't flag a code. I hope ford fixed the error code in later models.
I could almost taste the frustration.
But you stuck with it even with some parts cannon misfires.
Nice😁
Service info leaves alot to be desired somethings.great job always a learning experience Ivan.
Those vehicles are absolute garbage!! So many ridiculous problems up to & including coolant intrusion into cylinders. Solution replace entire long block....Yeah!
" Have you driven a FORD LATELY?"
Thanks for this case study, Ivan. I completely agree that this is not only over-engineering but also insufficient, incomplete engineering. I enjoyed the “autopsy” bonus footage a lot. I also like to ‘save these screws’ and such. Thanks.
Way to go on this one, Ivan. If you're stumped, then what do you think how we weekend car guys feel? SOL I guess.
Do you think a Ford scanner would have pick this up? That's the only scanner you haven't tried. Great learning experience. All this for auto park when drivers door is opened when in gear.
You mentioned there being no sensor on that assembly. Seems to me that's the reason why there were no codes. They just didn't put a position sensor on the corresponding moving parts so that the ecu can monitor that and consequently throw a code for what does not agree.
And that is the problem. The "geniuses", with all their wisdom, didn't bother to build in a method to know when it's broken after they had built an overly-complicated, no-cable gear shift system to replace a perfectly fine cabled shift system. They removed a couple parts to add a couple hundred. These people are NOT stable geniuses! LOL
I agree. When it was in adjustment mode, the module was trying to find its "home" position by spinning all the way backwards until it couldn't go any further. Since one of the gears appeared to be stripped, dislodged or misaligned, the motors were just spinning forever because they were driving nothing, meaning the unit would never find its home detent.
A simple potentiometer or a set of limit switches would have prevented this to begin with, if there was a mechanical failure, the module would know nothing was moving even though there was current flowing through the motors.
Ivan you’re an excellent mechanic.. always enjoy your videos no matter what you’re working on!!
Watching Ivan inspection of the shift motor makes me think as a child he drove his parents crazy tearing apart the household appliances to see how they work! LMAO 🤣 🤣
My toys didn't stand a chance. They rarely made it more than a week before I tore them apart to see how they worked. Luckily I got better at putting them back together before my parents found them 🙂
My parents hated that.. toys, appliances, electronics...
Tweakers are all over that!
LOL. If so, that contributed positively to him being the excellent diag tech he is today!
I was that child, and now when I fix things for them, they take credit for allowing me to do so.
Over energineering. There running out of work I guess. Wouldn't it be easier to just have a motor on the transmission when you select a gear signal to the motor on the transmission Selecta the gear. They found a way to make it worse lol. Man they have no work let's make shit worse then we can make it better in 10 years lol
You would think it would set some sort of limit switch codes or something. You’d think with a system like that it would make sense to have limit switches built into a bidirectional module especially for a system so important. Toyota 4wd system at least has limit switches you can use to diagnose shifting problems since you don’t have 4wd ecus Atleast in the older models.
Rube Goldberg would be proud of that module. LOL! Great vid, Ivan!
edit: LOL "Darwinism"!!!
If I won the lottery I wouldn't buy a vehicle newer than a 2008.
I wouldn't go beyond 95
This is why I buy and drive stick shift only.
@@BigMacIIx I guess you'll never buy new again as the stick shift is largely obsolete in the realm of the industries mindset.
@@pl5624 Most Japanese entries cars from Honda, Toyota, Subaru and Nissan are available with stick shift. But I’m pretty sure my 17 Legacy will be my last ICE car. I don’t mind get rid of the whole transmission non-sense with direct driven electric car.
Same here, except my wife wanted a new vehicle. So she bought a new toyota rav4 hybrid xle
I have to believe you opened this up right away .. I couldn’t have waited to video it.
When “idiot proof” goes idiotic! 😮 Hell, they didn’t even use brushless motors .. I give up😅