An Honest Conversation About The Content Creator Situation (Destiny 2)
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In this video, I'll be going into a more personal discussion on Destiny 2 from the perspective of content creation and the unfortunate decline of Destiny's audience. Also yes I know my facecam dropped some frames, sorry about that
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the game is dead.. Bungie is done .. move on
Bro literally deleted my comment lmao.
I cannot speak for everyone but I started unsubscribing from a large amount of Destiny Content Creators because…they largely stopped making content about the game, the weapons, the new missions, builds, etc.
Most of the Content Creators have been making constant videos about “The Death” of Destiny since the second round of Bungie Layoffs. I am tired of the negative click bait running up and down my feed. I get enough of that from political posts.
I did not want an influencer telling me how I should feel about the game while bringing very little useful information to my gaming experience.
Yes Final Shape was the end of the culmination of the Destiny Storyline that has been running for 10 years. Basically It is their “End Game.”
For some reason there is a huge push for Bungie to know exactly where they are driving the story before we had even really finished the annual expansion.
Most of the exotic mission videos I looked up recently were rushed and incomplete. So, I just started figuring out most of the last few with my friends through trial and error. Then taught others. Cut the cord from the TH-cam Nation.
There has been a large amount of unrest in the Destiny crowd but the Content Creators have been largely fanning the flames and basically telling everyone to retire the game. Destroying their own channels in the process.
It has been interesting to observe you guys crapping on your own plate.
As long as the game entertains me and I have a good time working with the other players I will play it. If that changes I will find another. No drama required.
If you make content that is useful to my gaming experience I will watch it. If not I probably won’t view it.
I do appreciate you sharing your perspective on the situation.
That’s why i dislike aztecross soo damn much, that guy is drama and negativity if it was a person, if someone at bungie sneezes cross will be like “the situation inside of bungie is getting out of hand” (with his face on the thumbnail looking angry).
to share the creator pov a bit more... other creators are making multiple videos talking about the bad news because it's relevant to the future of the game and their careers, but also, it tends to be what people want to watch. It's not a coincidence that all of the most popular videos in the past month are talking about bad news. It's what the majority of people care the most about, and that is reflected in the view counts
@@Xwing11 I'm addicted so don't say anything bad about the game, erm OK.
Well said, I don't like being told to feel angry and being brought more hatred into my youtube recommending page, taking a fine break is what people should be doing.
"It's joeover" "We're so back" "It's joeover", couldn't you guys see the pattern already?
@@hornbeamarmanik8590 trash the game all you want. It is a free country but if the majority of the creators content is not useful in the game. Then the people playing the game will stop watching.
At the end of the day, the people participating in the subject matter of the content are the ones that keep a channel going. Not the haters. The haters only keep views up until they find something new to hate.
I appreciate the time and effort you go into to create content. Now that's out of the way, I also partly blame the content creators for the overall negative vibe with the game. Every time I read a shock-and-awe click-bait-ey video thumbnail that says something negative, I get rather sad. Heck imagine if people started talking about the myriad positive aspects about the game, then maybe some new players might be compelled to check it out! Because the game IS great with TONS to do - it's just all us end-gamers who are desperate for more content like a cocaine addict needing a bump 🤣
This person gets it, preach it GUARDIAN!!!
I want destiny to expand, not just cycle. Yes, there's always rotations, but everything that rotates follows the same exact formula.
Fr. With cloud storage the way it is nowadays, there's no reason why they can't reimplement everything they vaulted while taking the brunt of the download off of the end user
@@icarusrising2787bro I wouldn’t care if this game was 400-600gb if we had every single bit of content through the ages. If I could play red war to final shape with every bit of seasonal content THAT WE ALL PAID FOR at the cost of my Xbox’s hard drive, I’d rather have that. Course, with how Bungie and Destiny 2 have become trash reused garbage, I’m just hoping the game finally burns out so we can all move on from Petey’s horrible marketing practices.
For that to happen we need to give them time and allow them to fail
bro looks so unenthused and dead inside, can't blame him- destiny is on life support and to devote a career to creating content around something that's dying can't be easy to move on from
quite honestly I have never played the game less than I do now. Tragic times
@@ShadowDestiny3that last part hit deep man, sorry about all this
My honest opinions are that content creators are being a big part of the downfall due to all the negativity they spread out and you guys are freelancer and not hired by Bungie or any other devs. Nothing lasts forever.
Yeah, agreed. As someone who still loves the game I find myself unsubscribing from anyone who just bashes the game because for them it isn’t a game, it’s employment. I still love watching Destiny content, but I don’t need the negativity.
I agree to a certain point, but if people don’t enjoy a game, then they’re going to stop playing and tell you why, regardless of big TH-camrs and streamers voicing the same opinions or not. People enjoyed Into the Light, people enjoyed The Final Shape itself, but everything else for way more than a year has been hit or miss at best, and people are obviously tired of it.
Also, I might as well add that the freelance point you mentioned simply isn’t a good one. If a TH-camr or streamer was hired by Bungie to only say good things, then is that not even worse than independent TH-camrs and streamers voicing their honest opinions and spreading the word of the player base? TH-camrs and streamers allow video game companies to much more easily hear the voice of the people specifically because they have more outreach.
@@ogroguerc Got you, and I am okay with everyone's opinion.. I am not a hater or lover of this game, just stopped playing after 8 years because I felt burned out. And that's what I think is happening with most of the base players. What I meant was if a creator is focused and makes his living just on one game he should think carefully about that and be as polite as possible with negative content and not just hopping onto the same train. Usually I don't care but even if I don't play right now, Destiny is still one of the best FPS games out there were the gameplay feels amazing.
@@op_rhcp4932 I feel you. I truly believe that if the C-suite, or even just Pete is replaced, then the game can finally make a comeback. Until that happens, I’m convinced they’ll just keep trying to silently exploit the player base, like how they’ve been doing for years.
@@ogroguerc I agree. In most cases it helps by changing out leadership and start fresh but that's in Sony's hand.
This isn't a Destiny problem, this is a content creator problem. Any rich and successful person will tell you to diversify your income for long term success, but people just want to play their singular game forever and hope everything they like lasts forever because they like it. You should never build a channel off a singular game because any singular game can die at any point.
Yes before anyone says things like "Oh but Minecraft" "Oh but World of Warcraft", these are exceptions to the rule, the rule is 99.9 of games do not maintain that success so banking on your 1 game being the 0.1 is just crazy especially when you look over to streaming and see all the biggest people popping off right now are doing variety content and variety games.
I think they just need to smoke one and relax honestly. I can't comment so I'm just leaving this here. ❤🙏🏾
well i agree here, destiny was shaping up to be a world of warcraft type game in terms of its longevity so i dont blame creators for thinking it’ll remain stable into the foreseeable future. another comment made a good point by saying destiny hasn’t really expanded but just cycled the same formula for far too long. this is majorly due to bungies fear of over delivering and thus mismanaging the game, its health, and its growth. i’m hopeful for the games future now that tynson green is at the helm steering the ship but it’s safe to say that shakeup would have been much needed a few years ago before we got to the 10 year mark. with destiny being originally announced with a 10 year plan, that’s as long as many people were subconsciously ready to spend on the game and now that we’ve reached that point they haven’t seen the game expanding in a meaningful way so thats it for them.
@@RoboThePanda Can I ask what you're hopeful for? (not trying to be mean about it) But we've heard that the new content is basically lesser content from before that's been announced which was basically just a delay while they worked on D3 however that's now been cancelled according to reports? So before it was hope thinking less content for a bit sure but then D3 revitalisation, now it's just less content then nothing or more of the same less content? So I don't understand why anyone would be hopeful on the games direction when we know this to be the case for now atleast?
This was easier to do when devs and publishers were more trustworthy.
Now that they're fine releasing unfinished and bare minimum games, having stores with greedy mtxs, and think it's fine to push a political agenda that boils down to "my side is right and others are wrong," it's extremely risky to bank on one game not being screwed by devs and/or publishers.
You didn’t watch the video. I talked about why diversifying is a terrible idea and why it never works. You look so silly commenting about this when it’s literally in the video 😂
Content creators saying the game is dying for months straight and suprised when audience engagement dropped off. What a shock
I’ve been watching your videos for a couple of years, and following Destiny content even longer. The slow decline has been tough to watch. I told myself I’d finish with the Final Shape and maybe the seasons that follow. Meanwhile I still watch Destiny content. Hopefully things turn around once more is revealed about Frontiers. Destiny has been one of my favorite games after all. Thanks for this candid insight, without the drama and hyperbole. I’ve enjoyed your videos on all 3 channels and I’ll keep watching for the foreseeable future
You’re a real one, thank you
Bungie needs to make the game fun instead of farming engagement with repetitive stuff. The Choir of One quest is a perfect example. Solid quest but they beat you over the head running it ad naseum.
The story stinks lately too.
Hopefully focusing on the core playlists helps.
I don’t plan to subscribe to 100 TH-camrs because they all do the same shit. If you play the game play it. But all I see is negative shit. You love the finale shape but did everything in a day and then complain it’s short or nothing to do. TH-camrs to me are part of the problem.
So much doom. Just move on and idk maybe get a job? I get playing video games for a living is a dream. But you can’t make videos whining about how you can’t pay your bills by playing a game anymore. Rejoin society in reality 😁
Good, Content creators ruined the game, Bungie only listened to them & designed the game only for them. Go get real jobs now.
Sorry dude nobody feels bad for any of you because there are things called real jobs
I totally agree. This should be a hobby not a job making videos
Yep
Honestly, yeah. Most of these content creators likely have a ton of money so to me it's basically just a first world problem thing to me.
Not to mention that I've seen people constantly saying "hey, you should try more diverse content because Destiny 2 won't last forever." Those people were ignored by the creator and now said creators are beginning to realize that most people don't care to watch Trials of Osiris anymore.
People in the community hate MMOs but let's be honest, there's a reason why those content creators bank on that genre, and it's because MMOs have staying power and loads more to do. Destiny 2 is just a looter shooter and even now, much of the loot isn't interesting due to it usually being reskins
I mean he was just trying to make a career about something he enjoyed, not trying to disagree
@@gregoryliaros2626 IT CAN BE A JOB the problem is that content creators should never, ever rely on a single game for the rest of their life they need to eventually move on even if its extremely slow paced. otherwise ur channel is doomed to fail. im not a popular youtuber but i know damn well my views died in chivalry 2 as the game updates too longer and they cut update support for it entirely now. people need to learn that.
Some people are straight up delusional, the game’s not ok at the moment.
delusional maybe. But many people are just also out of the loop. They don't keep a close eye on the numbers. I can understand being uninformed.
and you know what, thats ok and I am tired of pretending its not, because 99% of games are lucky to last a year let alone over 10 (yea technically 6 since D1 and D2 are separate games)
what happened to playing a game till you are satisfied and just, moving on happy with what you got, when did 1 game need to start satisfying your need for all of gaming, if Destiny is dead and gone, so be it, it gave us great memories, 99% of games would have given us memories for at most a year, not the 10 Destiny held many of us for
@@ShadowDestiny3people are delusional if they aren't on the "destiny is dead" train, Seriously? We've been playing this game for years now, it's natural to start not liking it when the first saga ends. Yes there's problems, but there's been problems forever. They will get fixed or they may not but people can still enjoy the game
What the hell Im first
I'll never forget the game that entertained my life I am getting bored it's still exciting the bosses are a challenge but that gets me excited and I'm happy I managed to play this amazing game I got hacked on my old account and I had to make a new one and I good friend he was a nice guy but when I got hacked I was sad so I made a new account and I made good friends but I had to lose one friend I never saw him again
:)
@@ShadowDestiny3 :)
@@ShadowDestiny3 keep uploading I enjoy your videos I also learn from your videos too please don't quit
The Majority of D2 creators went from praising Final Shape to asking about Pete’s car collection to telling us the sky is falling and Destiny is dead in a matter of 3 1/2 weeks.
And I get that, as of recent, we’re in a cycle of negativity when it comes to content and social media. But if you feed into the negativity, then you can’t get mad if the negativity grows into a monster. This is the reason why I’ve personally given up on watching a lot of D2 creators.
The creators that I watch now are focused on the day to day of Destiny. They’re working on builds, finding amazing weapon rolls, and showing you what works and what doesn’t.
TL:DR the constant negativity drives me AWAY from creators.
i wouldn't say this is entirely a destiny issue, i do believe people are just tired of hearing destiny this and bungie that. just step away from the game if it's not giving you your views you're craving. There are many successful channels that don't even go near destiny. And just because destiny gave you your start don't feel like you owe them its okay to change.
get a job? so frustrating seeing gamers complain they cant cover games anymore. yall manchildren want to be kids again so badly that an entire generation has been crippled by it. its sad.
As a destiny vet… warframe is just better… not to be THAT person but it’s been so fun for me. I’d love to still play destiny but it just feels absolutely directionless and I just don’t feel any excitement. I didn’t even play the 10 year event cuz I was having too much fun in warframe. Tldr I just don’t care anymore. And if you feel the same way I do I highly suggest playing other games. I recommend warframe but please go out and explore whatever you find most interesting. Ngl it feels extremely refreshing to actually have fun in a game again. And that’s something we’ve been starved of in destiny for a long time now imo.
I switched when curse of osiris came out and tried warframe, 11k hours later I came back to destiny at the reprised Kings fall. Since then a bunch of money with lil to no game and comparing thr 2 warframe wins all day long.and it's freeeeee lol
@@hornbeamarmanik8590 dude I’m still having a hard time accepting it’s free. Like it’s genuinely eye opening to play a ACTUALLY free game. I bought stuff cuz it’s a game I actually feel good about supporting. Cuz ik my money will turn into content ik imma love. And the fact the game has almost 60 characters makes the class war in destiny look like a joke. Only warframe players have the right to argue who’s the best character. Not to mention the fact you can fuse abilities… plus more I’m sure I haven’t seen yet. 1 month in and no joke I forgot destiny even existed till this vid popped up in my sub feed. It genuinely has been that much fun!
I love both games, but Warframe just doesn't have any challenge left, Destiny still offers that for me. Warframe just fills my gamba addiction. I buy a riven, roll it, and usually flip it for 300%+ profit.
Playing other games is the advice I been peddling since I left Destiny. I fell out of love with Destiny and just the mindless grind it becomes in the endgame a while ago, so I took a break and told myself to spend the amount of money I'd spent over my time in Destiny on games I'd missed out on over the years. Elden Ring, Red Dead Redeption 2, Hades, Arkham games, Alien Isolation, new Doom games etc...I can't tell you how much more fun I've had and how many more memories I have playing all of these other games than I could tell you about my 150th run of VoG or 1000s of crucible games etc. Too many people playing Destiny don't realise the exceptional games they're missing out on because they're stuck in the FOMO grind of Destiny.
@@CB-lw7ty good thing about fomo is that once u do miss out it’s hard to keep caring. Idek how it happened I just got on one day and said “i just don’t care anymore” funny thing is i came back to do the newest exotic mission but got error coded back to title screen 5 times in a row. This was 3 days after it came out so I took it as a sign and haven’t looked back since. And oh boy the things I “missed” out on. Please. With how much fun I’m having now… I ain’t missing out on much!
Destiny 2 CCs have hit their fries in the bag arc
Hey take it from my perspective, you're still young, able bodied, able to work physical jobs that need you, yes the pay wont be glamorous and neither will the publicity but it is steady.
As for the people saying they dont wanna hear politics about the situation, may I remind you that politics has always been a contention against video games and with the dabbling of Thinktanks such as SweetBaby Inc. They've always been around (Mortal Kombat fiasco, GTA Hot coffee, Call of Duty multiplayer circa original Modern Warfare)
To be quite frank as a 10 year player we have just had the wool over our eyes for years and should have abandoned ship after we experienced Shadowkeep. Incoherent storylines with redaction and retconning, forced agendas with bad storylines, disastrous management and leadership at the reigns.
All of this has contributed to Destiny 2's downfall. We the people see where the ship is headed and hopped off at the ten year mark that was lackluster at best. (If you enjoyed TFS thats fine but you dont speak for me) with a promised narrative of "We like to tell big stories and we want people to put the Destiny universe on the same shelf they put Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, or Star Wars; we’ve already seen they do that with Halo"- Pete Parsons circa 2013
We got swindled and have no one to blame but ourselves.
They've milked it for 10 years of content, and the future is not looking bright at the moment. It's just growing stale. The gameplay still feels good, but they are lacking innovation in terms of game mechanics. The sandbox, abilities, weapons, etc. are all great. Raids are still the pinnacle of the experience, but crafting, while convenient, destroys replayability.
You're wrong about people not watching videos for the creators.
For me to watch a video and even subscribe to a channel the creator has to be likebale and helpful. I'm not going to watch a video from or sub to creators that are annoying and unhelpful.
PVE is repetitive and a pointless power ground. PVP is full of cheats. The game is so unbalanced, its just not worth playing anymore.
And let's not forget the content they locked away that we'd paid for.
I for one am loving the decline. This way all the " everything is fine" crowd will be silenced especially when their favourite creators is saying im fkd and you know what so is the game.
Judging by your replies to other people's comments I would say that you're one of those people who are horrible at the game and beg bungie to give you free handouts. It's people like you who ruined the game by making it so casual 😂😂😂
@@Jaffamuncher21 ty
I don't get comments which cite the community or content creators as one of the main reasons for the downwards trend of the game when it's clearly due to upper management at Bungie.
I see so many "devs are lazy" or "devs are catering to the top 5% of the game" when those same developers give us stuff like the final shape or onslaught, content everyone likes just for them to be fired because pete parson needs another car.
As always, corporate greed will see another IP run into the ground for the sake of short term profit. We'll get the same reused, recycled content because they fired the staff who stuck with destiny for years and made it special.
When they release hot garbage and the community and CCs praise them, it is a problem. Can't you see it right now? it was always OBVIOUS but now it is even more. This guy was praising Lightfall left and right, now it is hilarious how he is almost crying at the state of the game. Onslaught was barely ok. TFS is great? why is no one playing anymore then? NO, IT WASN'T GREAT, and it lacked content AS USUAL. This is the result from having people like you and Shadow. You reap what you sow, NOW, ENJOY!!!!
Oh yeah, not to mention the several people praising D2 for going woke (stupid robot kissing and old man LOL) even the ambience of the game went to crap. There is a gigantic difference between D1 and D2.
@@TenshiThesseus I can respect you see it differently, but from what I recall TFS had some of the best reviews and feedback a destiny expansion has had in years, and Onslaught was a massive breath of fresh air considering it was free, and offered some of the best loot at the time.
The reason we’ve had such a massive player dropoff is varied, but I’d mainly chalk it up to this being the end of Destiny’s 10 year saga with no clear future in sight, along with some of the most devastating layoffs we’ve seen despite the massive success of TFS
Old players ain’t gonna wanna stick around with nothing to look forward to, and new players ain’t gonna give destiny the time of day with how horrible its new player experience is (which has often been a pain point but never fully addressed).
@@Slordel You still don't get it sigh. But again, yeah TFS and Onslaught were so good everyone is leaving the game.
Bungie needs to introduce more gameplay variety. It was great when they added sparrow racing in Destiny 1.
Boohoo, I can’t make easy money with clickbait constantly. Pathetic
Maybe folks are realising watching any other individual playing a game is just not worth their time.
Too much click bate in the D2 content, that’s why I stopped watching videos.
Little something from myself. A community can make or break the game, and the type of community destiny 2 has is utter insanity personified. We got people arguing for the light lvl grind because they grinded the game to death out of everything else and are programmed so hard to only do that that they literally can't imagine playing destiny 2...just to play destiny 2. Why not play vault of glass? "Because I already got everything and the exotic, so there is no point to playing it." That type of mentality, in my opinion, is what helped the game slowly erode away.
Some grind is ok, but if that's all we do and after we finish our grind, we are back to where we started. We didn't get more powerful...we may got shinier new loot but no one goes for a new gun just for fashion anymore these days...they go for it for a literal 1% difference in their gameplay which had gotten intensly stale cause the community will cling to the meta even on theor deathbed and throw a fit if anyone dose anything remotely creative or at least different but not entirely optimized. (Case in point...how the community treated glaives and glaive users)
All of this can help a game die, and it's not just Bungies fault. We are in this mess because of how we treated eachother, newer players, and how we treated the game itself. Bungie higher ups don't help but we never cared in the beginning before final shape now all of a sudden the destiny 2 community cares?
Which is why for the last 4 years I have been saying that the destiny community as a whole needs to be more welcoming towards casual players New players and even solo players. I understand destiny is an MMO. I get it. Youre supposed to play with other people. but the community is treating more Solo players and casual players like crap. Let's just be honest about it. And that in turn is preventing new players from coming. I play other MMO's Star Trek online, Star Wars The Old Republic, and The Division series among others. I have asked other players that I know in those games about trying to play Destiny. Cause I've been mainly a solo player since 2017 And I've been trying to get more people into destiny. So I could have more people to play with. And the number one thing they keep saying when they read the forums when they see TH-cam videos when they watch twitch streams is that the community treats casual players like crap, and that the game seems to be designed for people who have no life outside of grinding 24/7. Let's look at something more recent like the first descendant. Yes that game also requires a lot and I mean ALOT of grinding. But on the other hand you don't hear about their community treating any of their players like crap.
@IvoryTaurean FFXIV is where I ended up moving after being abandoned by my clan because they got burnt out of destiny 2 and the difference is night and day in terms of communities to the point I actively want to reach out in turn and actually trust my fellow warriors of light. I sadly can't say the same of the destiny 2 community. Whens the last time you used the txt chat to chat with a random in a strike?
@@shadowlight6084 just this past Sat. I have been trying to complete zero hour and I'm not the best at jumping puzzles. needless to say using the chat was not the best experience.
I play FF 14 also and I completely agree with what you said about the difference between night and day. the ENTIRE FF 14 community has been so welcoming and so willing to teach me and others how to do raids, extremes, and other high level content, find glamour, and costumes.
I wish I could say that about the destiny community as a whole but there are have been more elitist, disrespectful, and rude players that I have come across then nice folks. It sucks because I think Destiny as whole is great game
@@IvoryTaurean Damn you are way luckier then me then. I try to initiate convo during a strike but end up completely ignored and LFG? I've tried it and kept getting games where no one was willing to actually play the raid, work together, or really do anything...and ends with fireteam lead just kicking everyone out after finally starting a encounter and we all failed because no one in the raid save for myself bothered to use txt chat.
The bad over eclipses the good and sucks what little fun there is out of the game and the reason why so little fun is to be had is because the remainder of the destiny 2 community overoptimized so much we optimized the fun out of the game.
For a game that was kept alive by creators through its rough patches, it seems kinda shitty for Bungie to leave those same creators on the lurch.
no. what sustained the game is that it was fun to play. it isn’t fun the way it was. the worst thing bungie did was listen to content creators to make the game the way it is. it isn’t fun
props for making your shirts change in a seamless way during the sponsor, clean, love the video too, great points, and maan i really felt that outro, the way you glance off down to your right/my left, really does express your concern deeper than any words, hang tough shadow
Appreciate it!
I like the “13 year old bedroom” theme behind you. The dresser sells it.
Since when do only 13 year olds have dressers? Lmaoooooo
Bungie sucks, Destiny 2 has a lot of problems, but this is a really entitled opinion.
as much as I still like Destiny, it was ALWAYS unsustainable to make a career out of 1 single game, like what happens if some majory event forced Destiny offline, its happened before with other games, all the littlebigplanet games were sent permanently offline because there was network issues rooted so deep in the game that fixing them would be harder then making a new game from scratch, and those issues made the games actually risky to play (people could get your IP and track you on the game) so Sony pulled the plug
I always thought, what if something like that happened to Destiny, all these creators who decided to make a career out of 1 game are now without a job overnight, compared to anyone who made Destiny a game they play on their channel but also play other games where they just lost 1 game but still have a healthy career
Edit: I mean hell there is the common saying "nothing lasts forever" for a reason, Destiny isn't and was never going to last forever, if you made a job out of this game, your career was on a time limit
Keep watching, I addressed this directly..
@@ShadowDestiny3 You address not playing one game with an idea that doesn't track. Variety streamers are currently the most popular on streaming platforms so obviously there's an audience for it. Destiny people like Datto and Gladd have moved into variety gaming when Destiny content dries up so they're proving it works. All you've basically described is that you don't think people will like watching you if you switch up content, which could be true but all you've done is given yourself an excuse to stay on a sinking ship and hope rather than take a potential life raft that you can still do alongside Destiny content. It's not going to affect you posting Destiny content so that audience will stay and any new people might come for the other content and get into the Destiny content as a result, its a no-lose scenario to try and as pointed out it's worked for other Destiny creators too.
150 unsub for 1 vid is crazy
Yeah, I really miss the times when exotics mattered and where rare. But also legendaries are like blues already. I also think being able to build weapons wasn't a good idea. I'm kind of happy the Revenant weapons won't be.
I see the will of Bungie to finally change and I guess I will have a look at it. As somebody who has played Destiny since the beginning I can't stop because there is no alternative. I really hope that Revenant and Heresy will help for a slight uplift already but the real deal will be Frontiers. If they mess it up at that point it will be the darkest time for Destiny ever. Even worse than right now.
Keep up being optimistic. I really like your channel!
Honestly, if peter parson are replace, *AND* , the new ceo make destiny 3 rather that trash mobile destiny version one... It would be the best destiny 2 news in the bungie/destiny 2 community, and high chance destiny would stop dying.
Play a different game then.
Lol, if you want to keep making d2 content the way its going you'll have to become a well known speedrunner or solo player the same as destiny 1 has ended up being.
Aww time to get a real job
Im sure youve heard and seen it before (you literally mentioned Mactics, wich is the only reason I've actually stated watching Destiny 2 content, despite not playing): But go try Warframe. You seem to have a love fore lore and story and Warframe has PLENTY of that to uncover. Warframe also respects your time and money a lot more than Destiny with every DLC and your community will grow, simply based on the fact that the experience you will have is more affordable for others as well.
I can also see a lot of your video ideas on this channel work with Warframe. Warframe Content Creators are obsessed with Build Guides and tier lists that all spout the same thing all over so something helpful like "x things to do as a new player" or "x things Warframe and Destiny have in common" or others would probably invite curiosity.
I could talk about why you should try Warframe for hours as by this point I have more than 3000 hours in this game but for you, as a content crator, I think the most important thing to know is that 1. We love new players and we will never not help. 2. DE (Warframes Devs) take good care of their content creators.
You nailed it. Why subscribe to a dozen D2 channels when I don't play anymore.
I haven't even played a milisecond if Final Shape. I haven't opened the game in over 6 months.
It just got so tired and redundant. The only thing I enjoyed doing anymore was just free roaming the regions helping noobs with the random events.
I just don't care about META loot anymore. PVP is a joke. That new hoarde mode thing was fun 3 or 4 times.
And I just don't feel like paying for the next update.
Its not your content or your style, I watched you and Aztecross the most. Its not you doing anything wrong.
I just don't care anymore.
I watch different creators playing games i don't play...like league, or even NIOH 2, And i would watch D2 content creators, but they gotta make those hype plays, it doesn't even have to be pvp...
Personally, I would have so much fun if they just gave our classes an instant switch button. Quick Switch into one of our loadouts...I'll even take the ability reset...
I don’t watch too much Destiny content. I think most gaming videos have a way of influencing players to think about the extremes of a game rather than playing a game for what it is. I am not so easily swayed. Hell…even with the Prismatic hype, I still haven’t bought TFS. I seldom watch Destiny build crafting and gear review videos because after playing for so long, I just need to know what modifiers are active and I know what build works best and what doesn’t on what platform. The only videos I watch are Cross’s TWABS (because I don’t like to read it myself), and Frostbolts road to legend comp grinds, and a handful of “here’s what’s happening in Destiny”.
As a Destiny vet and PvP main, I take the game for what it’s worth and play when I feel like it. I’ll hop on and play a few rounds in the crucible. I play Final Fantasy 14 mainly for the raids and endgame because they’re far harder and better than Destiny. But Destiny also gave us 10 years of roller coaster memories. Cherish it for what it is and move on if you feel burnt out.
no way im this early right after homework
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I think what you said about variety not usually panning out is pretty valid. Only variety creator I can think of off-handedly is Pongsifu and even then he's not variety; you watch him for his comedic personality while the game is secondary. I do admit I've recently gone through and did an unsubscribe en-masse with a lot of creators (you, Fallout and Coolguy are probably the three I've watched the most since Beyond Light if that's any consolation - pretty sure you had responded to a comment I had made on an old video about how helpful your pvp videos were back in the day and I still think that, it's just a shame I had become really discouraged from playing self-admitted ximmers.. another reason I've unsubscribed from basically all D2 content creators I had been following is to go in as blind as possible to this upcoming season as I'd been looking forward to it and want to see if that affects my mood and perception of the game, although I am a bit sad at the fact we get a Vex dungeon instead of a Castlevania-inspired vampire scorn castle) so I'm part of those 150 that unsubscribe every video that you mentioned... I think at a certain point the negativity becomes a cyclical feedback loop which might explain in-part why people are unsubscribing. Not saying that in an attempt to deter what you're saying; I think what you've said in the video is a realistic, but not exhaustive, evaluation of the circumstances we find ourselves in as fans of this game.
Edit: I'm willing to say that perhaps sunsetting needed to happen but not under the circumstances that it did, it that makes sense. That along with we should have never gotten to the point where meta-defining weapons are craftable (I don't think raid weapons should be fully craftable, perhaps just being able to reshape them how we reshape adepts would've been the most healthy and keeping craftables to like... 70-80% as viable as the meta-defining weapons we've had like Taipan/Cataclysmic or Apex Predator). It definitely feels like between player sentiment being wishy washy at times (wanting easier loot chases and then becoming apathetic once we get evergreen loot) and the perception of corporate leadership were two of the more defining nails in the coffin to reach this situation.
Man the commentors on here are some of the biggest complainers lol. They come on to a video talking about death of destiny to complain about videos about the death of destiny. It's like bro, why are you even here then? "I don't watch destiny youtubers anymore bla bla bla..." Then why you on here lol put your money where your mouth is. Log off youtube and go play your game lol.
I feel bad about the destiny content creators dilemma. To watch something that was built up over a decade just slowly wither away. Not your fault and you don't have to go down with the ship. There's still plenty of people (like myself) who are newer to destiny and appreciate current content for it. Maybe keep making destiny stuff on the side but also take your skills and make a second channel focusing on other popular games/hobbies/etc that might be more lucrative?
When I saw how low the numbers are for Grenader Jake’s pvp tournament I knew the content creation for this game was hurting. That said I’d rather people be honest where this game is at and try to adjust around it. Good luck to you and your future. I personally don’t have high hopes for Destiny 2…outside of the game play critiques the narrative of the current game won’t engage new players or people who started with D2. People like Byf and other content creators who take calls with Bungie keep their critique to minimal while pushing that things arn’t that bad and it’s the players fault.
Another comment; many of us have been here since the beginning and have just about every weapon and exotic, but, forget that newbies don't, so Destiny has to walk a fine line keeping veterans happy and still allowing newbies to catch up on the loot, which is one reason our light level should stay valid in all missions, dungeons, raids...this would allow everyone to eventually getting those neat cool weapons only certain Gods of the game have, grinding for a higher light level used to be a big part of the game, you knew one day you was going to be able to walk into a massive battle zone and hold your own, that has been taken away and personally I think it has hurt the game. I know many players that have stated they just won't try certain Raids or Dungeons just because of this, they know they aren't Gods and are basic Autorifle, Scout rifle, Rocket launcher players, no special build, but like the game...which in the long run is what it's all about
Personally dont understand the unsubscribing. I’m subscribed to a bunch of stuff I don’t actually “enjoy” because I want to stay informed. How can I legitimately “not enjoy” something, or have any opinion at all, if I don’t know anything about it.
You reap what you sow.
Alright, these comments are getting ridiculous. If you don’t want to hear people voicing their opinions on the game’s current state, then stop watching. It’s as simple as that. TH-camrs and streamers are in a position to spread the communities feelings about video games, and for D2 right now, most people don’t like the game. It’s as simple as that, and it’s an immutable fact. If you do still enjoy playing the game, then by all means, continue doing so. The content creators aren’t telling you to stop, but the people who are twisting their words simply to bash the game are. These videos from content creators are mostly about the game’s current state and why the content creators themselves will likely be moving on, so stop twisting their words into “stop telling me to stop playing the game” since that’s not what they’re doing.
Bash me all you want, but the word twisting and hate towards content creators for simply spreading the majority of a player base’s feelings needs to stop. I thought we were all about wanting to improve D2 to the best possible point, but the first step to fixing a problem is realizing that there is one. If we keep ignoring the problems that have been in the game for years now, that have only piled on, then nothing’s going to be fixed for the better. Alright, commence the hate comments below.
IMO I log in almost once a week, I love the “feel” always have something very visually visceral about Bungie’s ability to make me feel like I’m moving through there world. To me what’s happened is too little too late. Also being a filthy casual I feel makes it hard for me to team up with old buddies of mine who are maxed out on level. I still gotta grind and I’m really over grinding. I honestly never thought level mattered besides the forever 29 days. It is true that a player actually felt the level difference then.
I unsubscribed from all of the destiny 2 channels after the final shape, except for your 3 channels and Aztecross. I really hope things go well for you. Oh, and I did watch the 4.5 video and enjoyed it a lot.
Im sorry to see it come to this but cant say im surprised. It was evident to me after the dreaming city that bungie wasnt putting in the effort D2 needed and was really becoming complacent in the market and the writing, to me at least, was on the wall. The sony deal pretty much was the final nail for me, as soon as they moved theyre many headquarters to Cali i called what is currently happening with sony. I dont think anyone could have predicted concord and unfortunately bungie leadership kneecapped themselves by selling themselves based on theyre covid numbers instead of a more conservative and reasonable approach. But here we are, and bungie knows it, i know it, u know it, hell i think creators at large all know that sony is no longer in a position to pump money into failing or dying projects and thus D2 will languish. I do expect them to keep the lights on as long as possible, they r nothing if not resilient, but a comeback just isnt in the cards for D2. The big question is how long. I def can see a market in the next 5y were D2 goes into end of life, but hopefully for guys like u u can land on ur feet and find space elsewhere.
i would of still been playing pvp, if they didnt change it so much. i didnt like it, so i stopped playing destiny... then they walked it back, and its better now, but the damage has been done, and i still dont have an urge to play it, cause they absolutely destroyed my fav subclass. because of trials, and those changes have been growing and just have been making it worse and worse to play, and its having an effect in pve now. there trying there hardest to adjust it, but they haven't fixed it at all... and im talking about bubble titan, the melee charge cooldown was not needed when we have guys that zoom around the map with strand faster then any shield slam can do.
To be completely honest, if you’re not Datto, Aztecross or anyone else that’s in the higher tier of content creators for this game, you shouldn’t be making videos for this game especially now that it’s going to be dry for a while until we get a decent content to gain traction on. TH-cam should be a hobby not a real job. Always have a back up plan when it comes to dry times of the game.
I would say destiny2 has stagnated. Being uncertain of its future. It has reached its Rise of Iron moment. But instead of switching game - they just staying on D2. I still enjoy hoping on D1 from time to time an there are still players still. Limited to console at the moment, but will eventually make its way to pc an will see a surge again.
Appreciate your content. Regardless of where destiny is going and what the community sentiment is I’m basically done with the game right now. I haven’t touched it at all since the 4th week of the season. Basically finished the campaign and said that’s it for me. I haven’t done either exotic mission. There’s just no desire to login anymore when I don’t feel any excitement about the future of the game. Like honestly I feel like this episode model is changing when we get to frontiers into their new “update” system so this year is shot for content. Then all of next year is a transition period for their new story arc so that year is lame as well. There hasn’t been any big August showcase for anything at all related to the game. It’s honestly just not it anymore
Hey man, I appreciate all your content! I appreciate where you’re coming from though, to a large extend I watch destiny content because I enjoy the creators and I hope the game gets good again… that being said, I quit during lightfall and I never came back. I think the game only seems to be moving in a bad direction, we keep being told to “keep the faith” but what we actually receive seems to be less and less inspired.
I feel bad for the people working there or making content that surrounds the game, the people whose livelihoods depend on this game, but I can’t change my feelings based on that. I love this world, and I wish things weren’t the way they are but I do t have much hope the game will turn around… hope you find a good place to land and you can keep doing content creation full time!
Ten years is a long time.
Destiny needs a fundamental shift. Akin to the change from Halo to Destiny. Without that shift the game will continue to decline. It’s inescapable and understandable.
Time for me to move on.
i just started playing half a year ago, and have put up almost 800 hours of playtime and i must say, that i dont have most problems other players seem to have, but again Im only in for half a year now... what im afraid about is the game dying, as it is less fun to play a dying game, so i hope bungie is cooking, while smoking pete
I hope all parts of destiny 2 that have been deleted can be returned. Especially for players who have purchased the Deluxe version of Destiny 2. Session has been paid and should not be withdrawn. !!!
shadow, maybe try making shorter 20 -30 mins heck even ten mins digestable videos on your main channel rather than hour long videos, also try new things to cover about. There has been like a million entire history of destiny's on youtube and there isn't really any point to make another one. Plus its 5 hours long so either new players starting will watch or none at all
In my opinion the final nail in the coffin was the announcement that the final shape will be the end if the light and dark saga. Even before it came out quite a number of people were saying how its their last thing they will play in destiny. But things like mediocre content and under delivery to keep player expectations low was definitely a major factor in the downfall of the game
I stopped playing d2 after the final shape game is done thats what we all waited for. I actually moved onto warframe and its destiny just with everything we wanted in d2. I cannot plat d2 anymore for last few years i have just been bored by the so called grind. The new subclass just immediatly made all others pointless. Destiny I think is a game that just has done what it set out to do with the story now it just needs to die with grace
The game has been streamlined so much it's basically a chore now, and every "new" content is the same as always so why would people watch videos discussiong something they already know everything about.
The most sad thing is that bungie will never be able to change stuff because something like "exotics becoming harder to obtain" would enrage the community at an insane level.
Bungie was working on 6 projects aimed at creating new communities. After we found that out it was clear, Bungie no longer wants the D2 community around that goes for the creators as well. Hope you find a way to thrive brother
Sucks cause I just came back to destiny and it's my main game again. I quit after the Osiris expansion. Tried to come back for shadow keep but I was so far behind I left again
Don't give up boys and girls and tge fact they have said 1 raid per year is just a safe haven because its so bad but once it picks up it will start to get better mark my words. Keep this message for 6 months and I bet you destiny is in a much better place in 6 months time #DESTINYREBORN
I have almost 2000 hours on D2 and roughly that on on D1 and I really hope D2 can bounce back and become popular again but I don’t see it happening I’ll stick around but won’t be on it as much as I was
I appreciate your honesty buddy and another way to probe the game is dead is going into the discord servers and try and get a game as a first time raider on the new raid and no one is there and if there is there people who know what to do and its sad. I was on about 6 different servers and never got a game once and I love destiny and want to learn the new raid but the people with the know how are either playing some other game or there playing with mates which is fine am not saying they should be teaching lol its just proof the games foundation's are imploding fast and I think the last stats I saw in terms of people playing was down to 35k its sad to see it happening to gaming and it makes you wonder why is it happening,why has it been allowed to happen and its the people who worked at those studios,wokism has alot to do with it imo and I think its deliberate because call of duty has went the same way with cheaters flooding that game and streamers blatantly cheating and being invited to events by yhe devs.There has been an attack on the gaming world and its political for sure
I often wonder if many of the doomposters are actually employees from other studios trying to sway people off Destiny in hopes they find one of their games to play. I mean if you didn't like the game, why would you spend your time following their gameplay and commenting.
Today should be interesting with the revenant reveal. The lore of destiny should give us a ton of content but without enough developers to create and expand the game will maintain and fizzle out.
Perhaps you should give warframe a try the Tenno will welcome you with open arms warframe and destiny do not need to be at war with each other we can coexist I’m sorry your game isn’t the same as it used to be
I wish Bungie had made better decisions. I used to love Destiny 2. After the content vault though. For me that was the end.
Repetition is Destiny's problem, having to do a certain mission umteen times to complete certain tasks, while the new exotic mission is a good one, the 20th time through is too much
People move on dude
always watched your vids no bull just straight up. if you do go i wish you all the best. But hoping you will preserver
well that game is bad the seasonal model is too long and repetitive the devs are tone deaf atm and focusing on the wrong things the internal issues are very obvious aswell
I'll give ya a new sub, I've got well over 12k hrs in D2. I'll play til the switch gets flipped
The saga is wrapped up, the episode reached its conclusion, I expected there to be almost nobody left.
*cough* DSP *cough*
D2 on a downward slope, i didn't even buy TFS, wasn't seeing my money's worth.
Been watching for a while. Still love Destiny, love your D2 content. Subed.
the gradual decline of destiny is sad. the decline of destiny youtube views is also sad.
I don’t get this argument because this is how the game has been for years outside of major expansions but now it’s an issue…?
No. It has never been remotely close to being this bad. It is orders of magnitude worse than ever before, statistically
I've unfollowed a few Destiny channels cause all they been doing lately is "Doom and Gloom" videos, I still follow Cross, Datto, Bontis, Fallout etc cause yes they criticize the game when needed, but that's not their whole identity now, it gets old and tiresome, I'd rather creators just take a break than pump out hate videos every few weeks
Ong bro, like they make repetitive fearmongering and doomposting videos and then expect us to watch it while in reality its the same fricking thing. "Destiny 2 is dead bc of echoes" "episodes are rebranded seasons".
The Tenno will welcome your visit,just a visit...promise...
I dropped off midseason when they deleted my name for no reason. And then didn’t play for weeks until they finally gave it back. Final Shape was so awesome, but everything since has felt like work. Going to try to come back next season, but I haven’t even finished the season pass this season.
Final shape was very mid after the hype I barely paid attention my second playthrough
You should feel lucky that you got to make money for a game you played and loved. All things come to an end, its sad, i devoted a lot of time in this game, but its been 7 years f d2 and 10 years as a whole. We should just be happy it lasted this long, How many Destiny killers came and gone in these years?
I am grateful and noted this in my video. I’m still gonna talk about the current situation though.
Idgf about content creators, i wanna have fun with my friends
I like your content but how many videos will come that poor content creators will make less money on destiny videos?
In the end you sure earn more money then most of your viewers having a regular job
I still enjoy destiny videos and would sure watch videos with other topics that you made
And as a person wich has influence on the community of the game it sure not helps telling everybody that game is dead
The ending of that 4.5 hour retrospective was the most cringe thing I've ever experienced and kept me from sharing that thing. Super creepy.
Hm ok I can remove that part. I thought it was cool
We should have demanded more from D2 a long time ago.
I'm getting tired of pessimistic videos tbh
ok then don't watch them ez
1200$ a month...? that's more then i make. 💀