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Can you please investigate Gigabyte's misleading practices regarding their AM5 motherboards? Specifically, the B650 Gaming X. They sell different revisions under the same model name, but the critical difference is that rev 1.3 only supports the Ryzen 7000 series, while rev 1.5 supports the 8000 and 9000 series. When purchasing these motherboards, Gigabyte doesn’t clearly mention the revision number or clarify that different revisions exist, even though they have vastly different compatibility. This lack of transparency is misleading to consumers, as the model names are identical, and buyers might not realize they're purchasing an older revision that limits future upgrades.
why are they wasting time on arm 64, their client is unskinable. their newly added families code is missing features. and their moderation team varies from bots to can't read to cant understand context. i have been unfairly banned.. for 3 years from gang stalking alone. meaning i cannot edit my account or share content on steam now for 3 years.... it's unfair and their not even trying to look into it. and their moderator is clearly off his bracket and their pissing around and their playing with arm 64... what a waste!!!
That video was extremely well done. I'm glad they gave you access, even if it meant so many weeks editing and blurring out all that confidential stuff. 😅 Very cool to see the type of tech and machinery that gets used on operations of that scale.
I hope they will add some antisag brackets. Otherwise northwestrepair will have lots of hard work in front of him fixing all the broken GPUs with rejected RMA...
Awesome. Thanks for the background on this. We don't follow the Linux world very closely -- though I will say that I've been a lot more interested in it with Windows' terrible decisions the last few years. Maybe time to start studying and deploying it in testing!
@@GamersNexus Man, that would be absolutely amazing if you guys started doing Linux testing! Setup a solid Arch Linux bench (check out CachyOS for a stupid-simple way to get Arch up and running without having to do the whole default setup process from the AUR) and do the normal comparisons. Who knows, it might make you fall in love with computing all over again!
@@GamersNexus "NVidia has heard complaints regarding it's numbering scheme for it's cards from media outlets, therefore all cards will be numbered based on how many US dollarydoos it will cost upon release."
9:25 One important additional information concerning this topic ... FE cards are not officially sold in Germany. I tried to get one with the launch of the 40-series. Not a single online retailer was listing them.
Can you please investigate Gigabyte's misleading practices regarding their AM5 motherboards? Specifically, the B650 Gaming X. They sell different revisions under the same model name, but the critical difference is that rev 1.3 only supports the Ryzen 7000 series, while rev 1.5 supports the 8000 and 9000 series. When purchasing these motherboards, Gigabyte doesn’t clearly mention the revision number or clarify that different revisions exist, even though they have vastly different compatibility. This lack of transparency is misleading to consumers, as the model names are identical, and buyers might not realize they're purchasing an older revision that limits future upgrades.
Thanks for bringing this one to our attention. Will try to find time to look into it, but we are pretty backed up right now on investigations. Can't promise this one only because we really are overloaded to a point where we need to pick and choose. It's tough since a lot of the deep dives require some serious time commitment to prove irrefutably.
Is that board even sold still? The revisions should be separate SKUs, how is that misleading? Who did you buy it from, I'm assuming not Gigabyte directly. The current Gaming X AX and Gaming X AX V2 are always listed separately.
@@drewnewby first off, they’re talking ONLY about the Gaming X AX. Not the V2. Secondly, No one buys directly from gigabyte. Every retailer that lists that board does not list the revision. That’s the problem, and that’s gigabyte’s problem when they release 5 B650 Gaming X AX boards, all named the same, with extremely varied specs. And yes, the board is still sold now, and if you order on Amazon, you have no way of knowing which revision you get.
That seems very shady, it would be normal for an earlier revision to not support future chips without a BIOS update but yeah you're right I just looked on their support site listed and under CPU support, the 9000 series are not even listed unless you select rev 1.5! That's what the kids would call "SUS AF" I believe...
What people need to understand with regard to Nvidia's price/performance is that this is no longer 2005; they don't get their profits from gamers now. They can charge silly money a) because we'll pay it, mostly and b) because their high-margin stuff is way more important to them. Things are not going back to 'old pricing' any time soon.
@@Splarkszter Came here to say this, Until AMD/Intel, some other company is a real threat at the highest end/machine learning/AI stuff, the market won't shift.
I thought this years and years back but the PC market is not enthusiasts. It's a bunch of people that pretend they are enthusiasts but they are the equivalent of a 'car expert' that will only ever by one brand of car or a 'phone lover' that only buys iphones haha. It's really weird to me that the wealthier ones that upgrade every year, sometimes even more, and can easily try other brands just for fun (something enthusiasts would normally want to do, warts and all for the experience and enjoyment of trying tech) just don't do that. They're just Nvidia fanboys, they're not tech enthusiasts more than they are tech snobs and refuse to try other stuff even if priced fairly for the performance etc. I didn't rush to this conclusion but year after year it feels like it's proven by unshifting obsession with one graphics card brand, even after they constantly put out overpriced cards and put the industry into a terrible state.
@@yousigiltube I had a guy have a meltdown on reddit to the point he deleted all his comments and reported me to reddit care because i said the 4090 is not good value even thought it's the best performance money can buy. Price to performance seemed to be a foreign concept to him.
@@Splarkszter Not going to be enough, RX6950XT was very competitive with 3090/3090ti, and prices just increased on both cards. Real reason behind the prices is mining, that time when people was paying 2-3 times MSRP for GAMING, not only miners, so AMD and NVIDIA understand that even tripling prices will still work, so why go to price war with each other and starve, when both can strive selling 1000$ cards and still sell tens of millions.
It's ALL going to be a 20 series style pulling the wool over our eyes from here on out. As in "Woo-Hoo! Lookit this AMAZING 3% uplift over the previous generation!"
Honestly I hope the public perception of ARC vastly improves with this next generation, especially if they continue trying to fill the hole of mid to low tier GPUs that NVIDIA is too high class or whatever for.
They wont sell many if the VRAM capacities havent gone up. Gamers dont have the money to buy those in quantities, and AI training demand wont be there with relatively low VRAM.
I think they'll keep the 5080 at $1000. Judging by those specs it's probably going to be doing half the work of the 5090 which I suspect will be $2000. The 4080 at $1200 was a flop last time around because it was 50% less performance for only a few hundred dollars less. They need to keep that price gap bigger this time if they want to keep the performance gap so big between cards.
6:51 5080 is going to be such a lame "upgrade" over the 4080 (super). Almost no increase in core count and going from TSMC 5nm to 4nm will barely improve the clockspeed. Fully expecting 1200 USD or higher pricing too 💸
sadly upgrading from a 2080super would have loved a bigger node upgrade but it will still be a sizable upgrade because the gddr7 over gddr6x rather than the almost non existent 5nm to 4nm upgrade from the cards.
I just bought the a380 and frankly, it kinda sucked. Even though the intel arc drivers were built into Ubuntu for months now natively, I still got really buggy performance for the 1 thing I actually care about... transcoding to AV1. I got lots of transcodes that happily completed only to be black screens with audio. Those were roughly 2/3. When an encode did magically succeed, it was clear that the quality wasn't there. Looks like us data hoarders are stuck with CPU AV1 Transcoding. It's cool for streaming though... if it worked lol. I'm tempted to keep it and plug it in again in a few months. But also, $200 is $200 and I might as well use that money for a new PSU that I actually need. Oh well.
I'm still blown away by how much cache those X3D chips have. Like that's enough to fit old 90's games onto the CPU and never have to touch main memory. Hell, that's probably enough cache to run Windows 9x without main memory!
Wine already works on MacOS, so it's not a big leap for Valve. It would certainly please us Mac users. Linux is soooo far ahead for gaming right now, but I want games on all my computers.
I have a A770 and loving it. Clocks really well, works on al games I've tried and sips power compared to both Nvidia and AMD equivalent performance models I have. Also gets driver updates extremely regularly.
I appreciate the honest reporting.. way too many people in this space just go along with the 600w rumor. I don't believe it because they want a lot of buyers, and that number would push out alot of buyers from upgrading due to most people using an 850w or lower psu
Valve making things work on ARM, would be the first time i can stop correcting people on "emulation." Because it would be emulation from x86. Also Proton is using WINE as part of the package. Also would be nice to upgrade from the 3070 in my linux main workstation and gamint box and the 3050 in my streaming box. I want AV1 and some better performance for my LLM's, as well as my editing i do on my linux box. Be interested in a 5090 or 5080 for my main rig and a 4050 for the stream box.
Feels odd going from being able to rule out the CPU for the most part, to having to really consider it now. I remember when I only had to RMA 1 CPU maybe once a quarter? Even then it was probably the user's fault. We were building about a thousand PCs a year. I think 90%+ of our RMA's were motherboard, the rest were mostly hard drive or power supply.
those "market share" percentages are the new hardware sold quarter by quarter. doesn't mean a lot tbh because people buy a GPU once every couple of years.
@@mckinleyostvig7135 lol but that's just it. those numbers mean 0 actually because 88% of 100 units sold doesn't mean monopoly. it just means sales are terrible. and those charts are based on sales numbers, not the actual market share. it's not far, but it's not 0% for intel either nor is it 12% for AMD.
all AMD needs to do to get their market share back is release cards with much more VRAM like they did 10 years ago, everyone who runs AI locally just wants more vram capacity to the point where independent card manufacturers are making a mint now
I'm totally willing to buy a 5090 after selling my 4090, but the idea that it could use two 12 pin power cables and take up that much space in the case is making me a little concerned about the feasibility. I went and got a fancy power supply that has the native 12 pin cable just for the 4090, but now I feel like it's already outdated.
Same my psu has a 16 pin socket and won't be happy if I'm forced to get a new psu already just for one more socket,it would be really scummy doing that in a single generation 5090 should only use one 16pin and one 8 pin for safety
Now I wanna see how that looks, 20:30, Steve mentioning the idea of ADR in videos. Just a random inserted voice recorded in the Hemianechoic chamber that's slightly different from the rest of the narration, but you can't put your finger on it exactly.
Just wanted to add that proton is build upon WINE (and DXVK, VK3D...). So contrasting them as one being good and the other being bad doesn't make much sense. Those projects do not get the recognition they should by being hidden behind the common "Proton" name. Of course Valve, through direct contributions or subcontracting, improved them a ton.
The Valve/ARM news i imagine would be more realistic for their VR/Deckard projects, stuffing ARM tech in a headset is pretty much what everyone does anyways.
15:18 A few months ago I told some gamers that I thought NVIDIA is a monopoly in discrete graphics cards, and graphics technologies (CUDA, upscaling, etc.) and they basically owned the entire gaming/AI market. Yet no one believed me or cared.
@@JollyGiant19 I sort of feel is a mix of downscaling the manufacturing that rises the prices and also that they are aiming to slowly sell their stock on the assumption that there’s going to be a lack of stock for the 5090 and 5080 and therefore more demand for the 4090. It’s as right now the top of the line consumer gpu, so they still expect to get a premium for it.
They raised the price for the 3090s then then raised them again when the 4090 came so people just wouldn’t keep buying the cheaper cards. 3090ti was $1200 at one point
Valve working on proton on Arm does open the door for a risc-v chip handheld in the future. But windows can use DXVK with windows on arm can support working game over what microsoft offering.
okay the RTX 5090 is going from a gamer market to a pro market for AI (it was kinda the case for the RTX 4090 anyway), but then why don't they slightly upgrade the VRAM capacity of the RTX 5080 ? games like Cyberpunk 2077 with native 4K + RT + Pathtracing already take 17GB of VRAM max (with a 4090), doesn't this mean gamers that spend a fortune for a 80 are getting screwed again ?
It would be interesting if you had a hybrid chip. X86 and ARM64. Add in some core parking, you could potentially get some mobile battery life for things like video playback, but get laptop gaming performance.
Hate seeing the Intel low sales news. Just got an Arc a770 for 1440p and it's been great. I had what I think were adequate expectations and they were met and exceeded.
It's the fastest card for gaming AND production plus it runs extremely cool. It's a unicorn and people recognize that so they jump on it. There's no guarantee the 5090 isn't gonna be a literal furnace you can cook eggs on, or maybe it'll have a production issue and die like 13./14th gen Intel chips. tl;dr People buy the 4090 because it's pretty much guaranteed to work, it's hella fast, runs cool, and the future is never guaranteed with new adopter products.
Did not watch the video yet but here is my guess regarding the leak: The RTX 5090 can only be bought when bundled with a monthly NVIDIA subscription fee (for using DLSS & AI features).
Does that GPU marketshare report not include the embedded gpu's in things like the steam deck, rog ally, etc.? I imagine that would change the results significantly.
I believe their microcode might fix the intel baseline profile settings because those settings are unstable. Even though it's less power, it is more unstable, it makes no sense.
As for Qualcomm buying Intel - just look at what happened when they tried to buy NXP 7 years ago: it dragged on the regulators for about an year and they ended up paying NXP the 2 billion advance.
My biggest gripe with Intel GPUs was the reliance on rebar. I was hoping to grab one and drop in an older system but it's a 6/7th Gen board so I'm just shit out of luck and had to go AMD on the used market
Not a good year for building a new gaming PC. Intel, AMD, nVidia - every company is fucking up their new hardware. Take your pick between reliability concerns, middling performance upgrades or a mind boggling price and wattage hike.
If Intel want to grow interest in Arc they have to prove that their products are reliable. It's nice that they've improved stability through drivers for the current cards, but having just one generation out means we can't know for sure if the next gen will be fine because there's no precedent. Well, there's some sort of a precedent from launch, but ehhh
Thank you AMD for exiting the high end market. Now we get to experience buying 4080 performance for $1000+ until the end of time, or until AMD actually competes again.
Really need Huawei to jump into the GPU market. Even if it's non-American market, it'll help put pressure on NVIDIA. And their AI cards are class-leaders, so they may give the 5090 a good run.
I think the 5090 will have the same 450w tdp as the 4090 but like my Asus Tuf OC RTX 4090 with its 4 slot design and a 33% manual power OC ability. That makes up the difference. Similar to rumours for the 4090. In the end they use less power than the 3090 and 3090 Ti. After all the rumours. The rumours with the 5090 having about 3000mhz as the core boost clock might be interesting. As with my 4090 and other decently cooled cards they basically shave off 400mhz of the actual. My 4090 without touching anything boosts up to 2910mhz. I plus 130 on the core and it lives in the 2970-3060mhz land. Top hot spot logged at 73 degrees. Looking forward to some decent 4k inbuilt benches. Such as the maxed out Cyberpunk and flight sim 2024, plus 3Dmarks
If AMD wants to drop a half width mid range card like the 4060sff I'd instantly click the "Buy Now" button. I need something small and powerful and unfortuantely the 4060sff is about as good as it gets for small form factor.
I think the lesson Nvidia learned from the 4000 series was not only people are willing to pay more but people dont seem to care if they package what should of been a 4030 as a 4060 and up the price to go with the downgrade of expected specs. So now they are packaging a 5070 as a 5080 and almost certainly upping the price on that as well. Sure as shit the 5090 is going to be going up to a minimum of two grand if not two and a half due to the massive performance gulf.
people buying 4000 cards coincide with the time when cryptos finally died and GPU prices went from insane to better, that's when people upgraded. only the RTX 4060 is almost the same price (when accounting inflation) as it was before the price hike in 2016, it's only 7 more euros than pre-price hike in Europe, so it has a good value now at least. not the case for every other card higher than a 4060 however.
On of the Australian retailers I regularly check for new hardware and pricing only offers the ARC A750. I would like to try one but they are not available.
The gpu prices are getting more ridiculous by the day. Makes me, thinking paying 1000 euros for top evga 2080 super back in the day was a lot, seem like a joke... But honestly what pisses me way more are the motherboard prices... I paid like 250 euros for Aorus Master back in RTX20x0 era... These days they want 700+ for similar level of boards. Screw that lol.. At least with nvidia you are actually getting performance for that extra price.
Sorry if this isn't the right forum to submit this topic suggestion, but speaking of Intel ARC when you get through your current backlog of content you should definitely look into ASUS' lack of driver updates. I have an ASUS Zenbook Flip OLED 15 with a 12700H and ARC 370M. The most recent drivers available from ASUS for the GPU are from late 2022. I dont need to tell you how imperative driver updates are to ARC cards and they make the laptop essentially unusable for graohically intensive tasks like games and photo/video editing. Manually downloading the most recent Intel drivers cause a number of reliability issues like improperly handling lid open/close behavior, rapid discharging (fans on max and hot to touch even with basic navigation) and the 96WH battery dies in 2 hours. There's a lot to like about the laptop but ASUS' lack of support absolutely kills otherwise great hardware.
Well, Arc A770 is intel's top GPU. A770 offers around similar performance to 3060 for about the same price. But intel's card also has problems in a lot of games that 3060 runs well. And performance only decreases as you go lower down the stack.
Take the rtx 5xxx GPU rumours with an extra pinch of salt, since the leaker had an awful trackrecord as of late. That said if this turns out accurate in the CUDA core counts, oh boy. This would position the alleged 5080 at half the hardware spec of the 5090, which afaik is a first and aligns closer to the historical xx70 segment of Nvidia GPU segmenting than the xx80 cards. The current gen of Nvidia GPUs already seems like every SKU below the 4090 has effectively dropped a step in hardware specs compared to their nominal designations (something to which I'll always just point at the fact they tried to sell us the 4080 12GB), but if the rumour holds true Nvidia may yet double down on it and demand people pay two steps of branding surcharge on the actual hardware, which would be insane! This is what we get when there's no competition, what with AMD seemingly deciding not to compete in the high end segment going forward (at least for the foreseeable future as said by AMD themselves). This is really bad news for someone like me who actually wanted to upgrade my ageing GPU for a while now ... I can only hope that AMD can translate it's focus on the middle performance segment into a highly competitive market to drive up performance and costs down so that an upgrade in that performance category becomes good value AND a solid performance total. Pain!
I still do not understand why people still buying 4080 and 4090 this close to launch ? Historically speaking you will get 4080 level performance in 5070 and 4090 performance 4080 in and save a lot of money if you wait 2-3 months. Then there are the locked stuff that comes with new genaratation like new DLSS or new FG or any other type of new tech that is locked for the 5000 series.
I really wanted to have an Intel card, but sadly it didnt worked on my older board. So I had to exchange it for a Ati card. : ( I woul dlove to see intel getting a foot into the market, because some competition between the other 2 would be nice.
Battlemage will be massive with Arrow Lake and native PCI 5.0 to CPU to maximize pairing. A770 already better than 4070ti at 4k. Not to forget APO that no one seems to talk about or the fact that testing doesn't show pairing or frame quality or errors or the queuing and waiting. So you only see less than half of the performance on paper.
According to my own benchmarking, Intel Arc performs beyond expectations in holding my papers down. I also couldn't help but laugh that intel has (a) Front Opening Unified Pod Automatons.
I wonder what TDP will those Strix Halo chips come with. Even the 12c/16CU ai 370 benefits from 54W, 16c/40CU will need plenty of power. And also the price, even the current Strix Point chips are expensive, these will be in 2000+ dollar machines.
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Can you please investigate Gigabyte's misleading practices regarding their AM5 motherboards? Specifically, the B650 Gaming X. They sell different revisions under the same model name, but the critical difference is that rev 1.3 only supports the Ryzen 7000 series, while rev 1.5 supports the 8000 and 9000 series. When purchasing these motherboards, Gigabyte doesn’t clearly mention the revision number or clarify that different revisions exist, even though they have vastly different compatibility. This lack of transparency is misleading to consumers, as the model names are identical, and buyers might not realize they're purchasing an older revision that limits future upgrades.
why are they wasting time on arm 64, their client is unskinable.
their newly added families code is missing features.
and their moderation team varies from bots to can't read to cant understand context.
i have been unfairly banned.. for 3 years from gang stalking alone.
meaning i cannot edit my account or share content on steam now for 3 years.... it's unfair and their not even trying to look into it.
and their moderator is clearly off his bracket and their pissing around and their playing with arm 64... what a waste!!!
people can barely afford 40XX hardware... O_O
That video was extremely well done. I'm glad they gave you access, even if it meant so many weeks editing and blurring out all that confidential stuff. 😅 Very cool to see the type of tech and machinery that gets used on operations of that scale.
Steam.. no skinning.. no moderators... people being gang stalked... steam families missing important features... why waste time on proton?
4:46 The 5090 will indeed be a two-slot card. The two slots will be slot one and slot five.
hahahaha. Clever.
@@GamersNexusno, I think this is actually gonna be what it turns out to be
@@GamersNexus Maybe the "2-slot" leaks are just the server blower style 5090s?
The 4090 might have been slightly overbuilt so they could just be packing it full of fins and making it 2 slots, and accepting that it would run hot.
I hope they will add some antisag brackets. Otherwise northwestrepair will have lots of hard work in front of him fixing all the broken GPUs with rejected RMA...
Proton still uses WINE. Proton is a containerized compatibility layer that includes WINE, DXVK, and VKD3D (among other compatibility prerequisites).
Awesome. Thanks for the background on this. We don't follow the Linux world very closely -- though I will say that I've been a lot more interested in it with Windows' terrible decisions the last few years. Maybe time to start studying and deploying it in testing!
@@GamersNexus Man, that would be absolutely amazing if you guys started doing Linux testing! Setup a solid Arch Linux bench (check out CachyOS for a stupid-simple way to get Arch up and running without having to do the whole default setup process from the AUR) and do the normal comparisons.
Who knows, it might make you fall in love with computing all over again!
@@GamersNexus Well i think itś time for "the mainstream" to at least follow a long whats happens in the linux world.
Yes please @@GamersNexus
@@GamersNexusDXVK is a DirectX to Vulkan translation library. You can even use it in windows to improve performance in DX9/10/11 older games.
The MSRP if the RTX 5090 is…
$5090. 😮
please no
@@GamersNexus "NVidia has heard complaints regarding it's numbering scheme for it's cards from media outlets, therefore all cards will be numbered based on how many US dollarydoos it will cost upon release."
@@GamersNexus you know it will be
I would still buy it.
@@Evorexwolf And people would still pay no questions asked.
NVIDIA should introduce rounded models so that it does not hurt them that much when putting it where it belongs...
But where does it bel--- ooooh. I get it.
Exactly! I don't want to scratch my case up with these massive cards.
Apply thermal paste beforehand. That helps. Watch that The Verge video to determine the required amount of thermal paste.
@@GeoStreberLMAOOOOO
That it savage my dude
5090 isn't the model its the price... People keep getting it confused... god I'm rooting for intel harder then ever.
*Sorry, but Intel's GPU's are already GAME OVER ! Battlemage will be their next big disaster !* And they will give up after that one !
HIKE? My 1080 is never getting upgraded bro 😭
Lmao I just went from a 7700k to a 5800x3d, 16 to 32gb ram (ddr3 to 4) and a new case and drives for less than a new video card would cost 😂
My 1080 and i7 7700k will stay with me till i or they will die.
Just get a 3080 it can go for abt 400 dollars sometimes and it's basically the same with vram.
How I feel with my i7-8700k and my 1070 that I have to underclock to keep stable lmao. But Planet Coaster 2 is coming out in like a month sooooooo...
@@KrautessendeKartoffel My GTX 1080 died (still boots but crashes randomly under high load). Rip.
9:25 One important additional information concerning this topic ... FE cards are not officially sold in Germany. I tried to get one with the launch of the 40-series. Not a single online retailer was listing them.
Can you please investigate Gigabyte's misleading practices regarding their AM5 motherboards? Specifically, the B650 Gaming X. They sell different revisions under the same model name, but the critical difference is that rev 1.3 only supports the Ryzen 7000 series, while rev 1.5 supports the 8000 and 9000 series. When purchasing these motherboards, Gigabyte doesn’t clearly mention the revision number or clarify that different revisions exist, even though they have vastly different compatibility. This lack of transparency is misleading to consumers, as the model names are identical, and buyers might not realize they're purchasing an older revision that limits future upgrades.
Thanks for bringing this one to our attention. Will try to find time to look into it, but we are pretty backed up right now on investigations. Can't promise this one only because we really are overloaded to a point where we need to pick and choose. It's tough since a lot of the deep dives require some serious time commitment to prove irrefutably.
Is that board even sold still? The revisions should be separate SKUs, how is that misleading? Who did you buy it from, I'm assuming not Gigabyte directly. The current Gaming X AX and Gaming X AX V2 are always listed separately.
@@drewnewby first off, they’re talking ONLY about the Gaming X AX. Not the V2. Secondly, No one buys directly from gigabyte. Every retailer that lists that board does not list the revision. That’s the problem, and that’s gigabyte’s problem when they release 5 B650 Gaming X AX boards, all named the same, with extremely varied specs. And yes, the board is still sold now, and if you order on Amazon, you have no way of knowing which revision you get.
That seems very shady, it would be normal for an earlier revision to not support future chips without a BIOS update but yeah you're right I just looked on their support site listed and under CPU support, the 9000 series are not even listed unless you select rev 1.5! That's what the kids would call "SUS AF" I believe...
@@GamersNexus Thank you
What people need to understand with regard to Nvidia's price/performance is that this is no longer 2005; they don't get their profits from gamers now. They can charge silly money a) because we'll pay it, mostly and b) because their high-margin stuff is way more important to them. Things are not going back to 'old pricing' any time soon.
Not without competition
@@Splarkszter Came here to say this, Until AMD/Intel, some other company is a real threat at the highest end/machine learning/AI stuff, the market won't shift.
I thought this years and years back but the PC market is not enthusiasts. It's a bunch of people that pretend they are enthusiasts but they are the equivalent of a 'car expert' that will only ever by one brand of car or a 'phone lover' that only buys iphones haha. It's really weird to me that the wealthier ones that upgrade every year, sometimes even more, and can easily try other brands just for fun (something enthusiasts would normally want to do, warts and all for the experience and enjoyment of trying tech) just don't do that.
They're just Nvidia fanboys, they're not tech enthusiasts more than they are tech snobs and refuse to try other stuff even if priced fairly for the performance etc. I didn't rush to this conclusion but year after year it feels like it's proven by unshifting obsession with one graphics card brand, even after they constantly put out overpriced cards and put the industry into a terrible state.
@@yousigiltube I had a guy have a meltdown on reddit to the point he deleted all his comments and reported me to reddit care because i said the 4090 is not good value even thought it's the best performance money can buy.
Price to performance seemed to be a foreign concept to him.
@@Splarkszter Not going to be enough, RX6950XT was very competitive with 3090/3090ti, and prices just increased on both cards. Real reason behind the prices is mining, that time when people was paying 2-3 times MSRP for GAMING, not only miners, so AMD and NVIDIA understand that even tripling prices will still work, so why go to price war with each other and starve, when both can strive selling 1000$ cards and still sell tens of millions.
i just hope they dont pull a 20 series on us again 🙏
It's ALL going to be a 20 series style pulling the wool over our eyes from here on out. As in "Woo-Hoo! Lookit this AMAZING 3% uplift over the previous generation!"
Yes they will, just look how bad the specs are for the 5080 it'll be incremental changes in raster compared to 40 series other than the 5090.
Honestly I hope the public perception of ARC vastly improves with this next generation, especially if they continue trying to fill the hole of mid to low tier GPUs that NVIDIA is too high class or whatever for.
Cool, I am one of the zero percent market share with my Arc A580 :)
The elephants Steve, the elephants…
Just you wait until they finally do away with weight measurements on GPUs and replace them with fractions of one elephant.
@@GamersNexus with how much GPUs have grown in size lately I don’t think we’ll be measuring in fractions for long
Those 5090 leaks are giving me R9 295X2 flashbacks.
Im not really an intel fan, but sad to see the GPU side fall even more. More competition between Nvidia, AMD, Intel the better.
5080 $1699, 5090 $2399, just wait.
The more you buy, the more you save 😂
They wont sell many if the VRAM capacities havent gone up. Gamers dont have the money to buy those in quantities, and AI training demand wont be there with relatively low VRAM.
I think they'll keep the 5080 at $1000. Judging by those specs it's probably going to be doing half the work of the 5090 which I suspect will be $2000. The 4080 at $1200 was a flop last time around because it was 50% less performance for only a few hundred dollars less. They need to keep that price gap bigger this time if they want to keep the performance gap so big between cards.
5080 $1499, 5090 $2499 ( after that ...... the 24Gb 5080ti &1899 )
6:51 5080 is going to be such a lame "upgrade" over the 4080 (super). Almost no increase in core count and going from TSMC 5nm to 4nm will barely improve the clockspeed. Fully expecting 1200 USD or higher pricing too 💸
Upgrading from a 3080 to a 5080, would the uplift be worth the cost to upgrade? Not sure if it can be answered currently due to the lack of knowledge.
People will still buy, that's what matters.
sadly upgrading from a 2080super would have loved a bigger node upgrade but it will still be a sizable upgrade because the gddr7 over gddr6x rather than the almost non existent 5nm to 4nm upgrade from the cards.
I just bought the a380 and frankly, it kinda sucked. Even though the intel arc drivers were built into Ubuntu for months now natively, I still got really buggy performance for the 1 thing I actually care about... transcoding to AV1. I got lots of transcodes that happily completed only to be black screens with audio. Those were roughly 2/3. When an encode did magically succeed, it was clear that the quality wasn't there. Looks like us data hoarders are stuck with CPU AV1 Transcoding. It's cool for streaming though... if it worked lol. I'm tempted to keep it and plug it in again in a few months. But also, $200 is $200 and I might as well use that money for a new PSU that I actually need. Oh well.
I'm still blown away by how much cache those X3D chips have. Like that's enough to fit old 90's games onto the CPU and never have to touch main memory. Hell, that's probably enough cache to run Windows 9x without main memory!
"Thanks Steve"
Valve working on ARM64 support for Proton also means good news for macOS devices running on Apple Silicon.
Wine already works on MacOS, so it's not a big leap for Valve. It would certainly please us Mac users. Linux is soooo far ahead for gaming right now, but I want games on all my computers.
really hope that the rumor v-cache on both CCD's comes true
600 Watts?! That’s absolutely insane!
2000 Watt PSUs 😊
Oh Nice! 2499.99 with Ai and 2999.99 without Ai? Team Red with hopes of some Team Blue too. Battlemage is coming and looking even better.
I run triple 48" 4k monitors in my sim racing rig. The RTX5090 might be the first time you can get high frame rates at triple 4k.
I have a A770 and loving it. Clocks really well, works on al games I've tried and sips power compared to both Nvidia and AMD equivalent performance models I have. Also gets driver updates extremely regularly.
I appreciate the honest reporting.. way too many people in this space just go along with the 600w rumor. I don't believe it because they want a lot of buyers, and that number would push out alot of buyers from upgrading due to most people using an 850w or lower psu
Valve making things work on ARM, would be the first time i can stop correcting people on "emulation." Because it would be emulation from x86.
Also Proton is using WINE as part of the package.
Also would be nice to upgrade from the 3070 in my linux main workstation and gamint box and the 3050 in my streaming box. I want AV1 and some better performance for my LLM's, as well as my editing i do on my linux box. Be interested in a 5090 or 5080 for my main rig and a 4050 for the stream box.
Feels odd going from being able to rule out the CPU for the most part, to having to really consider it now. I remember when I only had to RMA 1 CPU maybe once a quarter? Even then it was probably the user's fault. We were building about a thousand PCs a year. I think 90%+ of our RMA's were motherboard, the rest were mostly hard drive or power supply.
those "market share" percentages are the new hardware sold quarter by quarter. doesn't mean a lot tbh because people buy a GPU once every couple of years.
Actually in the current market nobody can buy a GPU ever
@@mckinleyostvig7135 lol
but that's just it. those numbers mean 0 actually because 88% of 100 units sold doesn't mean monopoly. it just means sales are terrible. and those charts are based on sales numbers, not the actual market share. it's not far, but it's not 0% for intel either nor is it 12% for AMD.
The Intel fab tour also helps a lot with your Tier 6 builds in Satisfactory.
all AMD needs to do to get their market share back is release cards with much more VRAM like they did 10 years ago, everyone who runs AI locally just wants more vram capacity to the point where independent card manufacturers are making a mint now
I'm totally willing to buy a 5090 after selling my 4090, but the idea that it could use two 12 pin power cables and take up that much space in the case is making me a little concerned about the feasibility. I went and got a fancy power supply that has the native 12 pin cable just for the 4090, but now I feel like it's already outdated.
Same my psu has a 16 pin socket and won't be happy if I'm forced to get a new psu already just for one more socket,it would be really scummy doing that in a single generation
5090 should only use one 16pin and one 8 pin for safety
Now I wanna see how that looks, 20:30, Steve mentioning the idea of ADR in videos. Just a random inserted voice recorded in the Hemianechoic chamber that's slightly different from the rest of the narration, but you can't put your finger on it exactly.
Man I wish I could grow my hair out like Steve's lol
Just wanted to add that proton is build upon WINE (and DXVK, VK3D...). So contrasting them as one being good and the other being bad doesn't make much sense. Those projects do not get the recognition they should by being hidden behind the common "Proton" name. Of course Valve, through direct contributions or subcontracting, improved them a ton.
The Valve/ARM news i imagine would be more realistic for their VR/Deckard projects, stuffing ARM tech in a headset is pretty much what everyone does anyways.
15:18 A few months ago I told some gamers that I thought NVIDIA is a monopoly in discrete graphics cards, and graphics technologies (CUDA, upscaling, etc.) and they basically owned the entire gaming/AI market. Yet no one believed me or cared.
Probably most people bought the low end Intels for the AV1 hardware encoding feature. Which now becomes more common among amd and nvdia gpus.
4090 price hike????
Real
It sell enough to justify it, as much as we don’t like that
@@JollyGiant19 I sort of feel is a mix of downscaling the manufacturing that rises the prices and also that they are aiming to slowly sell their stock on the assumption that there’s going to be a lack of stock for the 5090 and 5080 and therefore more demand for the 4090. It’s as right now the top of the line consumer gpu, so they still expect to get a premium for it.
They raised the price for the 3090s then then raised them again when the 4090 came so people just wouldn’t keep buying the cheaper cards. 3090ti was $1200 at one point
yes, just people trying to make their last bit of money off of it while they can
Glad I got that 4090 FE for MSRP last year! Lookin brutal out there right now...
Valve working on proton on Arm does open the door for a risc-v chip handheld in the future. But windows can use DXVK with windows on arm can support working game over what microsoft offering.
Finally, you covered VR. Let's spend a little more time with it next time.
"A I DONT KNOW WHAT ANY OF THAT MEANS" xD got me going
okay the RTX 5090 is going from a gamer market to a pro market for AI (it was kinda the case for the RTX 4090 anyway), but then why don't they slightly upgrade the VRAM capacity of the RTX 5080 ?
games like Cyberpunk 2077 with native 4K + RT + Pathtracing already take 17GB of VRAM max (with a 4090), doesn't this mean gamers that spend a fortune for a 80 are getting screwed again ?
Remember: number go up. More profit is more better.
It would be interesting if you had a hybrid chip. X86 and ARM64. Add in some core parking, you could potentially get some mobile battery life for things like video playback, but get laptop gaming performance.
RTX 5090 is probably like 2999$ or something
Arrow Lake and launch you can see Battlemage to follow soon after if not at the same time to use 5.0 PCI.
I miss a hit 'RTX' version of 1080 Ti. Probably one of the best releases ever. If only NVIDIA could reproduce it with 50 series...
Hate seeing the Intel low sales news. Just got an Arc a770 for 1440p and it's been great. I had what I think were adequate expectations and they were met and exceeded.
people know the 4090 is being replaced soon and they want it even more? what?
NVIDIA taking inspiration from Sony I guess
people are kinda dumb sometimes. I sold my 1080 for $450 on FB marketplace a year ago lol
I think some are spooked by the extra wattage and realise they can't put the 5090 in their build while others are going for resales.
It's the fastest card for gaming AND production plus it runs extremely cool. It's a unicorn and people recognize that so they jump on it. There's no guarantee the 5090 isn't gonna be a literal furnace you can cook eggs on, or maybe it'll have a production issue and die like 13./14th gen Intel chips.
tl;dr People buy the 4090 because it's pretty much guaranteed to work, it's hella fast, runs cool, and the future is never guaranteed with new adopter products.
3:32 Thanks Steve.
Did not watch the video yet but here is my guess regarding the leak: The RTX 5090 can only be bought when bundled with a monthly NVIDIA subscription fee (for using DLSS & AI features).
I can confirm we are working on the phantom chipset.
Would be nice if Nvidia partnered with Noctua or BeQuiet for the fans. I think that would instill more confidence for the cooling fans.
Does that GPU marketshare report not include the embedded gpu's in things like the steam deck, rog ally, etc.? I imagine that would change the results significantly.
I believe their microcode might fix the intel baseline profile settings because those settings are unstable. Even though it's less power, it is more unstable, it makes no sense.
I really hope Intel doesn't get sold off... I just want them to be competitive again..
AND I WANT BATTLEMAGE!
As for Qualcomm buying Intel - just look at what happened when they tried to buy NXP 7 years ago: it dragged on the regulators for about an year and they ended up paying NXP the 2 billion advance.
9950X3D with INFINITE cache!
on the new ASUS x870e boards with the upgraded ram slots.. probably hit 8200Mhz
@@jabronilifestyle Its waste of money. RAM needs to run 1:1, all those 8000-9000 MHz numbers are all BS, you gain nothing from it
My biggest gripe with Intel GPUs was the reliance on rebar. I was hoping to grab one and drop in an older system but it's a 6/7th Gen board so I'm just shit out of luck and had to go AMD on the used market
The 5090 will be a 2 slot card. It will just be twice as tall and have an external 30CM pedestal fan cooling it
As daily Arc user since release... i won't lie
it hurts to hear that
I just want a 1080 ti with DLSS, new gpu's wattage specs are off the rails
Fingers crossed for Arrow Lake I guess
Not a good year for building a new gaming PC. Intel, AMD, nVidia - every company is fucking up their new hardware. Take your pick between reliability concerns, middling performance upgrades or a mind boggling price and wattage hike.
If Intel want to grow interest in Arc they have to prove that their products are reliable. It's nice that they've improved stability through drivers for the current cards, but having just one generation out means we can't know for sure if the next gen will be fine because there's no precedent. Well, there's some sort of a precedent from launch, but ehhh
5090 specs are almost to the dot double of the 5080. For cooling two slot cooling size if 2 x GPU card would explain everything.
All i need to know is how this would lower prices for what we already have and that I still need
I can tell Steve is a big Fear Factory fan...
Arm64 for Proton is most likely is for Qualcomm X Elite and or M* Apple cpus
Thank you AMD for exiting the high end market. Now we get to experience buying 4080 performance for $1000+ until the end of time, or until AMD actually competes again.
does someone force you to stick those overpriced ngreedia cards up your arrse?
Really need Huawei to jump into the GPU market. Even if it's non-American market, it'll help put pressure on NVIDIA. And their AI cards are class-leaders, so they may give the 5090 a good run.
I think the 5090 will have the same 450w tdp as the 4090 but like my Asus Tuf OC RTX 4090 with its 4 slot design and a 33% manual power OC ability. That makes up the difference. Similar to rumours for the 4090. In the end they use less power than the 3090 and 3090 Ti. After all the rumours.
The rumours with the 5090 having about 3000mhz as the core boost clock might be interesting. As with my 4090 and other decently cooled cards they basically shave off 400mhz of the actual.
My 4090 without touching anything boosts up to 2910mhz. I plus 130 on the core and it lives in the 2970-3060mhz land. Top hot spot logged at 73 degrees.
Looking forward to some decent 4k inbuilt benches. Such as the maxed out Cyberpunk and flight sim 2024, plus 3Dmarks
Nvidia Geforce RTX Pro 5090 would be a new mouthful
Waiting for Steve’s take on lunar lake… how much longer should we wait 😅
If AMD wants to drop a half width mid range card like the 4060sff I'd instantly click the "Buy Now" button. I need something small and powerful and unfortuantely the 4060sff is about as good as it gets for small form factor.
I think the lesson Nvidia learned from the 4000 series was not only people are willing to pay more but people dont seem to care if they package what should of been a 4030 as a 4060 and up the price to go with the downgrade of expected specs.
So now they are packaging a 5070 as a 5080 and almost certainly upping the price on that as well.
Sure as shit the 5090 is going to be going up to a minimum of two grand if not two and a half due to the massive performance gulf.
people buying 4000 cards coincide with the time when cryptos finally died and GPU prices went from insane to better, that's when people upgraded.
only the RTX 4060 is almost the same price (when accounting inflation) as it was before the price hike in 2016, it's only 7 more euros than pre-price hike in Europe, so it has a good value now at least.
not the case for every other card higher than a 4060 however.
On of the Australian retailers I regularly check for new hardware and pricing only offers the ARC A750. I would like to try one but they are not available.
Oh damn, new shirt? I just got the last one. Give me until payday, I'm in. I love these shirts.
Thanks Steve
150W for a GPU is the max i'm willing to go, if the industry can't deliver performance at that power draw, i'm not buying it.
Pls just let one kidney be enough i don't want to sell a lung too.
The gpu prices are getting more ridiculous by the day. Makes me, thinking paying 1000 euros for top evga 2080 super back in the day was a lot, seem like a joke... But honestly what pisses me way more are the motherboard prices... I paid like 250 euros for Aorus Master back in RTX20x0 era... These days they want 700+ for similar level of boards. Screw that lol.. At least with nvidia you are actually getting performance for that extra price.
Battlemage RI could stand for Reference Implementation
I love my 4090 but I'm excited to upgrade
I'm hedging my bet that the 5090's gonna cost $2200, just as a hunch, anybody else?
I'm thinking 2500 dollars - Jenson needs a new leather jacket after all.
So the 4090 was priced out of my range to now being out of my range.. gotcha!
Sorry if this isn't the right forum to submit this topic suggestion, but speaking of Intel ARC when you get through your current backlog of content you should definitely look into ASUS' lack of driver updates. I have an ASUS Zenbook Flip OLED 15 with a 12700H and ARC 370M. The most recent drivers available from ASUS for the GPU are from late 2022. I dont need to tell you how imperative driver updates are to ARC cards and they make the laptop essentially unusable for graohically intensive tasks like games and photo/video editing. Manually downloading the most recent Intel drivers cause a number of reliability issues like improperly handling lid open/close behavior, rapid discharging (fans on max and hot to touch even with basic navigation) and the 96WH battery dies in 2 hours. There's a lot to like about the laptop but ASUS' lack of support absolutely kills otherwise great hardware.
Incredible documentary guys
Well, Arc A770 is intel's top GPU.
A770 offers around similar performance to 3060 for about the same price.
But intel's card also has problems in a lot of games that 3060 runs well.
And performance only decreases as you go lower down the stack.
*Pretty sure Ngreedia left room for an 5080ti with 24Gb !* Because just 16GB on the 5080 doesn't make sense !
Take the rtx 5xxx GPU rumours with an extra pinch of salt, since the leaker had an awful trackrecord as of late. That said if this turns out accurate in the CUDA core counts, oh boy. This would position the alleged 5080 at half the hardware spec of the 5090, which afaik is a first and aligns closer to the historical xx70 segment of Nvidia GPU segmenting than the xx80 cards.
The current gen of Nvidia GPUs already seems like every SKU below the 4090 has effectively dropped a step in hardware specs compared to their nominal designations (something to which I'll always just point at the fact they tried to sell us the 4080 12GB), but if the rumour holds true Nvidia may yet double down on it and demand people pay two steps of branding surcharge on the actual hardware, which would be insane!
This is what we get when there's no competition, what with AMD seemingly deciding not to compete in the high end segment going forward (at least for the foreseeable future as said by AMD themselves). This is really bad news for someone like me who actually wanted to upgrade my ageing GPU for a while now ... I can only hope that AMD can translate it's focus on the middle performance segment into a highly competitive market to drive up performance and costs down so that an upgrade in that performance category becomes good value AND a solid performance total.
Pain!
28:47 Huge missed opportunity to call the board Godl Ai ke.
I still do not understand why people still buying 4080 and 4090 this close to launch ?
Historically speaking you will get 4080 level performance in 5070 and 4090 performance 4080 in and save a lot of money if you wait 2-3 months.
Then there are the locked stuff that comes with new genaratation like new DLSS or new FG or any other type of new tech that is locked for the 5000 series.
I really wanted to have an Intel card, but sadly it didnt worked on my older board.
So I had to exchange it for a Ati card.
: (
I woul dlove to see intel getting a foot into the market, because some competition between the other 2 would be nice.
Battlemage will be massive with Arrow Lake and native PCI 5.0 to CPU to maximize pairing. A770 already better than 4070ti at 4k. Not to forget APO that no one seems to talk about or the fact that testing doesn't show pairing or frame quality or errors or the queuing and waiting. So you only see less than half of the performance on paper.
According to my own benchmarking, Intel Arc performs beyond expectations in holding my papers down.
I also couldn't help but laugh that intel has (a) Front Opening Unified Pod Automatons.
I wonder what TDP will those Strix Halo chips come with. Even the 12c/16CU ai 370 benefits from 54W, 16c/40CU will need plenty of power. And also the price, even the current Strix Point chips are expensive, these will be in 2000+ dollar machines.