Thank you Brock for having me over for another great day on the Rockhill Far! It sure is fun to do these little chainsaw comparisons and help people save big money sometimes!
I bought the Neotech version of the cheap saw for basically having a "disposible" saw with me in my side by side UTV. It has now become my go to saw in my yard and land. It starts on the first pull time after time and has more power than my Echo professional top handle saw. I own three Stihl saws as well.
Thanks for sharing! The Neotec is nice as well. For those looking, this saw comes in at a similar price and has an extra chain and even a zipper bag to store the saw in.
Great video! I just picked up the Neotech version of the Proyama and it's been a great little saw. Starts on the 1st pull almost every time and runs awesome. Perfect for limbing since it won't tire you out at all.
Thanks for sharing! The Neotec is nice as well. For those looking, this saw comes in at a similar price and has an extra chain and even a zipper bag to store the saw in.
Brock - I just had my Stihl 291 tuned up because it wouldn't hold an idle on start up JUST LIKE yours is doing.....the GOLD Stihl Tech (40 yrs worth) told me it was the carburetor system he cleaned up and replaced a few parts that he says "the alcohol in all the fuels these days" wears those parts out faster. I told him I never run ethanol fuel through my saws, he said "Exactly" even in the TruFuel or Stihl Fuel they are putting alcohols in there and while it's much better to run those vs ethanol, he's seeing the impact and strongly suggest running Stabil in everything that will help but not entirely eliminate carburetor issues eventually
Brock. Very good comparison. Joe that saw of yours I feel would be more than enough for most home owners and I bet there are some professional arborist out there trying those saws out. I was actually suprised by the time comparison. Great job proyama
I inherited a 194 after my FIL passed away. It takes a bit to get used to the 2nd choke/starting sequence, but once you do it’s as good as my other saws. Wonderful saw for limbing and general yard clean-up. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
My son has a stihl top handle saw like yours not sure what model but had similar problems and was told by a old tree climber to change the rock filter in the gas tank seem to help him out thanks Doug
I'm not a big Stihl (or Husky) fan. My best and favorite saw is an Echo but it a little big to carry even up a ladder or in a basket. That cheap top handle is worth looking into.
I love my MS310. It’s about 15 years old and will get the job done any time I need it to. I would like to get a smaller stihl eventually but for now I’ll stick with my DEWALTs lol
Well fellers…. I bought the same saw… it’s cheap, but it’s my most reliable saw… it starts easy, never dies till out of gas… yes I have expensive saws to… but my cheap one sure impressed me. I have zero complaints with it and have had it for 3 years…. I burn fire wood all winter long and that cheap saw does as much work as the expensive ones. I don’t baby it… I work it. It’s holding its own to this day.
I have a 435 husky I use for around the house for the majority of stuff but the big logs on my 5 acres I bought a proyama 68cc. I just use it rarely but it's amazing for the price and for ocassional use.
Hi, what are the bar lengths? If the proyama's is shorter may be this is another reason for it to be quicker (except for the sharpness of the chain)...
Some people tell me these small top handle chainsaws originate from the Echo 110, they all look alike but with slight differences probably made in the same factory but with different names.?
If you buy the economy line of a name brand, a large percentage of your money is going towards the name. If you buy the top tier product from a name brand, you're getting the benefit of using a product that was engineered by a multi billion dollar company trying to making the best product it could. If you want cheap, buy cheap. If you want good buy good. Don't go to the cheap guy and expect something good and definitely don't go to the good guy expecting something cheap.
I usually have a lot of good experiences with cheap saws. It does help if you understand how they work and how to fix them or even better, how to run them without causing issues. Gotta know where to kick them and where to kiss them.
@@zaccheus Maybe not, but last year pulled 2 semi broken Poulans out of a dump, made one good working saw with the parts with only a new chain and recoil spring I bought, then go in the bush and cut down, de-limb and buck 8 cords of pine/poplar with that 38cc saw last year. Sold that 8 cords for $2240 CDN. This year that saw is still going hard. The 462 goes for $1500 in my parts, plus tax. The little poulan has under $50 in parts and is still making wood that I will sell this year. I'm not knocking big saws. I'm just saying I can get my money's worth out of pretty much any saw. I have several saws from a variety of manufacturers, each one paid for themselves and I never paid much for any of them.
@ChampionFirewoodManitoba Thats awesome, man. I come from urban tree care and reliability, life span and cutting speed are all super important because when you have a a crew amd equipment that costs 1,200/hour to operate waiting in a saw to make a cut, we want it to be the fastest cut possible. The same principle might apply to your firewood set up. If you had a saw that cut twice as fast, you might have made twice as much firewood in the same time and paid for a $1,500 saw plus a little extra for you 🤷♂️
@@zaccheus Absolutely. Everyone has a need for something different. Just like I don't need a big saw to cut 8"-10" trees deep in the bush. For my work, typically a small saw is better. Lighter, easier to move around in dense bush and trees that aren't very thick. A smaller saw that is finely tuned and properly sharpened will hold up extremely well. I'm still a small firewood company and sales are limited. Even if I was able to double the wood i haul out of the bush it doesn't mean i would sell it all yet. I'm usually in the bush alone so smaller saws and trees that typically have a diameter of 10" or less means smaller saws is more than adequate. Saws are like firearms. I use a different one for different purposes.
My solution for small stuff is MS180 with 14” bar and full chisel chain. Cuts small stuff super fast and was under $200 when I bought it a few years ago. You give up the top handle but how often do you really need that?
Il modello stihl che hai in mano qual è? Perché non mi sembra la ms 151 tc-e mi pare piu una 201 o giù di li mi farebbe piacere quale modello stai mostrando , grazie
I had a chainsaw expert come over yesterday and kind of tune and do maintenance on all of my chainsaws. He made some adjustments to that saw and it runs even better The performance is worth the price. The only question is longevity, and how do any of us know that
Very impressive but I have a40 plus year old stihl AV 020 pro that’s all original and will eat that proyama for breakfast lunch and supper and mabe a snack or two
Howdy Todd! Had some surgery so have to watch on the TV. Haven't figured out how to comment on the TV yet lol 🤠 No ad blocking on the TV so I have to sit through commercials... grrrr...
@@toddcaskey9984 Howdy Todd! I'm in Ohio and I work from home online. I retired from firefigting in 2007 with an on the job injury, so this is career #2 lol
@@toddcaskey9984 Hmmm... I responded once but I don't see it lol. I live in Ohio. I was a career firefighter until 2007 when I had to retire out due to an injury. I'm on my second career now... work from home on the computer. Looking forward to retirement #2 some day... 😁
If you want to open a can of worms and start fights in the comments section, talk about whether one handed use of top handle saws is appropriate or not 😂
hahahahaha...... if you go by the instruction manual....... hehe. Wanna see another way to start some comments? The manual also tells you to run 50:1 and maybe even the silver bottle! Ready......... set........... go!
@oakiewoodsman or ANSI standards. It's all just words on papers until something ends up in court. Lol, true. I can't quite get into that 100:1 stuff though. I'm sure it works, but idk 😅
I am not trying it! Amsoil Saber at 40:1 if it were me. I just use Red Armor and all is well. Nice clean burn, obvious mix as you pour due to the color red. Win win win @@zaccheus
I don’t know anything else about it, except that you can buy them on Amazon. Last time I showed him my top handle saw so this time he brought one back to compare to it.
Stihl’s chain was dull. Cheap saw was brand new. No fair comparison. Stihl needs speed nano chain. And the right gas mixture. Knowing little about stihl saws will definitely affect the running of the saws.
@oakiewoodsman I noticed the stihl has a 16inch bar. Brock said not a new chain. So how sharp was chain, more importantly the shape of the bar ? I'd say if they has same bar's and chain then it's apples to apples. We run that saw and echo top handle. Like them both. Stihl is over-priced a agree. They used to be worth it. We do love our 261 for a mid size saw.
Thank you Brock for having me over for another great day on the Rockhill Far! It sure is fun to do these little chainsaw comparisons and help people save big money sometimes!
I bought the Neotech version of the cheap saw for basically having a "disposible" saw with me in my side by side UTV. It has now become my go to saw in my yard and land. It starts on the first pull time after time and has more power than my Echo professional top handle saw. I own three Stihl saws as well.
Thanks for sharing! The Neotec is nice as well. For those looking, this saw comes in at a similar price and has an extra chain and even a zipper bag to store the saw in.
Great video! I just picked up the Neotech version of the Proyama and it's been a great little saw. Starts on the 1st pull almost every time and runs awesome. Perfect for limbing since it won't tire you out at all.
Thanks for sharing! The Neotec is nice as well. For those looking, this saw comes in at a similar price and has an extra chain and even a zipper bag to store the saw in.
Brock - I just had my Stihl 291 tuned up because it wouldn't hold an idle on start up JUST LIKE yours is doing.....the GOLD Stihl Tech (40 yrs worth) told me it was the carburetor system he cleaned up and replaced a few parts that he says "the alcohol in all the fuels these days" wears those parts out faster. I told him I never run ethanol fuel through my saws, he said "Exactly" even in the TruFuel or Stihl Fuel they are putting alcohols in there and while it's much better to run those vs ethanol, he's seeing the impact and strongly suggest running Stabil in everything that will help but not entirely eliminate carburetor issues eventually
Thanks for sharing
Brock. Very good comparison.
Joe that saw of yours I feel would be more than enough for most home owners and I bet there are some professional arborist out there trying those saws out.
I was actually suprised by the time comparison. Great job proyama
Thank you buddy!
I inherited a 194 after my FIL passed away. It takes a bit to get used to the 2nd choke/starting sequence, but once you do it’s as good as my other saws. Wonderful saw for limbing and general yard clean-up. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I also wanted to mention that I think the 194 comes with a 10” bar. It looks like you are asking it to pull way more chain?
That is the bar and chain that came on mine
Thanks for sharing!
My son has a stihl top handle saw like yours not sure what model but had similar problems and was told by a old tree climber to change the rock filter in the gas tank seem to help him out thanks Doug
The echo top handles are great saws also that come with 5 year warranties.
Just got the proyama today, pretty impressive nice cutting little saw.
Good review.
I'm always going the cheapskate route. Which we all know may work once but never lasts.
I'm not a big Stihl (or Husky) fan. My best and favorite saw is an Echo but it a little big to carry even up a ladder or in a basket. That cheap top handle is worth looking into.
Hey Brock, The little pro Yama chainsaw would be very nice to have around. Great video!👍🏻
I love my MS310. It’s about 15 years old and will get the job done any time I need it to. I would like to get a smaller stihl eventually but for now I’ll stick with my DEWALTs lol
Well fellers…. I bought the same saw… it’s cheap, but it’s my most reliable saw… it starts easy, never dies till out of gas… yes I have expensive saws to… but my cheap one sure impressed me. I have zero complaints with it and have had it for 3 years…. I burn fire wood all winter long and that cheap saw does as much work as the expensive ones. I don’t baby it… I work it. It’s holding its own to this day.
I have a 435 husky I use for around the house for the majority of stuff but the big logs on my 5 acres I bought a proyama 68cc. I just use it rarely but it's amazing for the price and for ocassional use.
Hi, what are the bar lengths? If the proyama's is shorter may be this is another reason for it to be quicker (except for the sharpness of the chain)...
Great info!!
Thanks
Some people tell me these small top handle chainsaws originate from the Echo 110, they all look alike but with slight differences probably made in the same factory but with different names.?
If you buy the economy line of a name brand, a large percentage of your money is going towards the name. If you buy the top tier product from a name brand, you're getting the benefit of using a product that was engineered by a multi billion dollar company trying to making the best product it could. If you want cheap, buy cheap. If you want good buy good. Don't go to the cheap guy and expect something good and definitely don't go to the good guy expecting something cheap.
I usually have a lot of good experiences with cheap saws. It does help if you understand how they work and how to fix them or even better, how to run them without causing issues. Gotta know where to kick them and where to kiss them.
@@ChampionFirewoodManitoba but can you kick a farm boss into performing like a 462?
@@zaccheus Maybe not, but last year pulled 2 semi broken Poulans out of a dump, made one good working saw with the parts with only a new chain and recoil spring I bought, then go in the bush and cut down, de-limb and buck 8 cords of pine/poplar with that 38cc saw last year. Sold that 8 cords for $2240 CDN. This year that saw is still going hard. The 462 goes for $1500 in my parts, plus tax. The little poulan has under $50 in parts and is still making wood that I will sell this year.
I'm not knocking big saws. I'm just saying I can get my money's worth out of pretty much any saw. I have several saws from a variety of manufacturers, each one paid for themselves and I never paid much for any of them.
@ChampionFirewoodManitoba Thats awesome, man. I come from urban tree care and reliability, life span and cutting speed are all super important because when you have a a crew amd equipment that costs 1,200/hour to operate waiting in a saw to make a cut, we want it to be the fastest cut possible. The same principle might apply to your firewood set up. If you had a saw that cut twice as fast, you might have made twice as much firewood in the same time and paid for a $1,500 saw plus a little extra for you 🤷♂️
@@zaccheus Absolutely. Everyone has a need for something different. Just like I don't need a big saw to cut 8"-10" trees deep in the bush. For my work, typically a small saw is better. Lighter, easier to move around in dense bush and trees that aren't very thick. A smaller saw that is finely tuned and properly sharpened will hold up extremely well.
I'm still a small firewood company and sales are limited. Even if I was able to double the wood i haul out of the bush it doesn't mean i would sell it all yet. I'm usually in the bush alone so smaller saws and trees that typically have a diameter of 10" or less means smaller saws is more than adequate.
Saws are like firearms. I use a different one for different purposes.
Thanks for sharing I would love to have to have either all I have is an electric pole saw
My solution for small stuff is MS180 with 14” bar and full chisel chain. Cuts small stuff super fast and was under $200 when I bought it a few years ago. You give up the top handle but how often do you really need that?
Agreed
Just three cuts in a row? And how about 300 cuts in a row? To see which one will heat up and break down first?
I love comparisons too, thx for doing this. Anyone care to comment on what the best one saw solution might be for occasional home owner use?
Do you cut down trees, how big of a material are you going to deal with?
Il modello stihl che hai in mano qual è? Perché non mi sembra la ms 151 tc-e mi pare piu una 201 o giù di li mi farebbe piacere quale modello stai mostrando , grazie
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Funny I have that saw saved in my Amazon cart lol
I had a chainsaw expert come over yesterday and kind of tune and do maintenance on all of my chainsaws.
He made some adjustments to that saw and it runs even better
The performance is worth the price. The only question is longevity, and how do any of us know that
Very impressive but I have a40 plus year old stihl AV 020 pro that’s all original and will eat that proyama for breakfast lunch and supper and mabe a snack or two
I have a stihl ms 250 and love it
It was my only saw my first year in the property. Ran better when I used it more often
One comment because it’s pretty obvious. Not saying it worth the extra but to be fair…that Stihl is in dire need of some carb tuning.
Dull chain and a lean tune versus a sharp chain and a fat tune with a muffler mod. They are roughly the same displacement.
I have one Stihl, it will be the last. Won't stay running, don't oil enough.
After this video they went out to eat in their Yugo.😊
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The other saw has been used for about an hour. It’s not like it’s old and beat up.
Complaining is easy.
Morning everyone 🤪
Howdy Todd! Had some surgery so have to watch on the TV. Haven't figured out how to comment on the TV yet lol 🤠 No ad blocking on the TV so I have to sit through commercials... grrrr...
@@Cowboy_Steve where do u live and r u retired?
@@toddcaskey9984 Howdy Todd! I'm in Ohio and I work from home online. I retired from firefigting in 2007 with an on the job injury, so this is career #2 lol
Morning!
@@toddcaskey9984 Hmmm... I responded once but I don't see it lol. I live in Ohio. I was a career firefighter until 2007 when I had to retire out due to an injury. I'm on my second career now... work from home on the computer. Looking forward to retirement #2 some day... 😁
Than PROYAMA looks like a decent saw.
Hey Brock 👍🚜🪵🔥
Do a giveaway 🤪
If you want to open a can of worms and start fights in the comments section, talk about whether one handed use of top handle saws is appropriate or not 😂
hahahahaha...... if you go by the instruction manual....... hehe. Wanna see another way to start some comments? The manual also tells you to run 50:1 and maybe even the silver bottle! Ready......... set........... go!
@oakiewoodsman or ANSI standards. It's all just words on papers until something ends up in court.
Lol, true. I can't quite get into that 100:1 stuff though. I'm sure it works, but idk 😅
I am not trying it! Amsoil Saber at 40:1 if it were me. I just use Red Armor and all is well. Nice clean burn, obvious mix as you pour due to the color red. Win win win @@zaccheus
Sharp chain helps.
Never heard of a Proyama, who sells 'em?
I don’t know anything else about it, except that you can buy them on Amazon. Last time I showed him my top handle saw so this time he brought one back to compare to it.
Proyama tools inc america company in newyork
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Stihl’s chain was dull. Cheap saw was brand new. No fair comparison. Stihl needs speed nano chain. And the right gas mixture. Knowing little about stihl saws will definitely affect the running of the saws.
You sure do hate it when someone doesn’t like what u like eh? 😂😂 stihl used to be ok. Now they aren’t worth the money except the 500i.
@@jimmylarge1148 obviously can tell u know nothing about chainsaws 🤣
@@jimmylarge1148 still have my stihl 200t top handle saw from 2005. Still starts first pull. Yeah u definitely know about chainsaws 💀🤡
That’s bull that’s how those stihls are it wasn’t dull
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You need two new chains for fair comparison.
Stihl… not “Steeaal” 😆
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That's not apples to apples test. Wtf
What do you mean by your comment? Those are the same size and design of saw and they made the same cuts.
excuse me? They are very similar
@oakiewoodsman I noticed the stihl has a 16inch bar. Brock said not a new chain. So how sharp was chain, more importantly the shape of the bar ? I'd say if they has same bar's and chain then it's apples to apples. We run that saw and echo top handle. Like them both.
Stihl is over-priced a agree. They used to be worth it. We do love our 261 for a mid size saw.