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Thanks for the video. I think you’ll find the cheap saw won’t handle long term abuse. I’ve got both pro saws and cheap saws, the pro product is more consistently reliable. If you cut a bit of firewood buying cheap is probably fine. If you rely on your saw to heat your home or feed your family you’re better off with a pro saw and keep the cheap one around for backup. Imo. Cheers.
If you're right (questionable), then buy 2 of the budget saws... then you have a spare... and will have far longer overall life and uptime/availability than ANY single saw.
@@Morpheen999 Ya, I'm a old chainsaw mechanic who worked for a timber company. We used Husqvarna when I first got there. 288's for the fellers and 268's for loggers / landing guys. Both were good but then the 288's started breaking cases and Husqvarna didn't warrantee them we we went to Jonsered. 270's which were basically same as the 268 Husky. Lots were same part numbers. Fellers used the 2077 Jonsered. Which came out turbo'd. The 2077 ran good but mufflers kept breaking off and other things made it hard for the cutters to get a 6 hour shift in and they hated packing them out of the canyons to get worked on. Then we went Stihl. Mostly 044's for both cutters and loggers. We tried the 046 and the 066 and both were good. Stihl's were lower RPM running saws and the users were used to hearing the Husky rev. Those extra RPM's were bad for the crank shafts. The early 044's we started using fried many of their cranks. Stihl came out with a new heavier duty crank that helped and I did a few things to keep the users from leaning the carbs out and frying the cranks. Once we got saws from over revving they lasted at least twice as long. I was curious a year ago and bought the chine made Stihl clone saw kits and put them together. They run and sound just like the Stihl original saws. What I have no idea about is longevity. I have a 066/660 I put together I haven't put a bar on yet. I ported it too. I am just not anywhere I can use it to test it. Possibly this Summer. The china saws are affordable. Even if you have to buy 3 of those for every 1 stihl original. You can say warrantee makes a difference but Stihl wasn't good about guarantees either. When a crank starts going bad it gets hot and turns the bearing and crank blue. Stihl would say the saw was leaned out and THAT was why it failed. I had set the RPM's with the stihl tool and welded the carb jets together so they were tamper proof and cranks still went bad. Not many but they didn't warrantee them. Put a new crank in and the RPM's were still where I had set them the first time. The problem with the china saws is it's hard to get a full wrap handle bar.
How do you figure thats true? I hear about problems with Stihl and Husqvrna all the time. I have the same experience with my husqvarna. It worked for one firewood season and didnt want to start during the summer 4 months later. Needed a new carb. Im not sold on over priced brands because some brand snob says a product is better. Even my echo is better than my husqvarna. The 62 cc Chinese Neotec knockoff is better than the husky too, I've ran it more than the husky and no issues. no need for a new carb either. Only noticeable difference is vibration and im not concerned about that in the least. If I need a new saw every 6 years I'll be buying abother chinese knockoff. $200 or $700? Brand snobs just love to waste money. @Morpheen999
I chopped for a friend in the eighties another friend with saw shop convinced me to buy integrated ear muffs and face shield dropped large oak a dead standing hemlock that I couldn't see had a long branch from the oak wrapped around it hemlock came down from behind me gave me a glancing blow on side of helmet almost knocked me out still have scar tissue in neck but would have been dead without helmet in my opinion great video
I was in the tree trimming business, and used small saws for climbing. I started out with Homelites which in those days were pretty good saws, but then when the firewood craze came along in the late 70's, they went down hill fast as they were mass producing them and selling them in every hardware store. I switched to a Stihl pro model with top handle, a real trimming saw, which was a pain to take apart, but there was no question it far surpassed the Homelites in power, weight, and engineering. Now I'm in my 70's, still cutting firewood with this old tree trimming saw, it just won't die. You get what you pay for.
I have an 020 top handle I bought used about 50 years ago, runs great today after countless cords of firewood. Not ideal size for firewood but it still works.
I don't know man, I bought a homelite brush cutter that ran for many years before selling it. I then moved to a farm and knew I needed a chainsaw so I went and got a homelite 16 inch. Still using it now after 6 years and I cut most of our fire wood with it except the really big stuff and never spent a penny on it except for a new bar. I have bought a number of chinese knockoffs that are pretty good for the price, but 2 have failed in that time. Only small things like brake locking, cord broke ect...but not really worth fixing. I'm so impressed with the homelite I have a brand new one sitting there when she finally dies on me. :) EDIT: She starts first time every time unless I've forgotten to empty old fuel for the new season.
Yes, bought mine in 1996 after getting hit with a tornado at our farm. Absolutely no parts were changed on it including air filter and spark plug until 2022. It listed for $360 at my local hardware store. They had a coupon that the saw shop manager was refusing to honor. I argued with him until 10 minutes before closing and coupon expiration. After I read to him for the twentieth time: 15% off of any one item in the store - he finally relented to a point, and grabbed the display model without a bar cover and mumbled something about a reduced warranty.
At eighty I just bought probably the the last chainsaw I'll buy. I've owned three different brands through sixty plus years of cutting firewood. I should clarify three brands/ I've only had three saws in all the time. Still have the #3 which is a Husqvarna 61 and just add a little Echo cs130 for limbing out. This is the second Echo the first I loaned to a cousin and some how fell a tree on it; was told he'd get it repaired and never saw it again! And that was at least thirty years ago and I was so impressed with that Echo I had to try another one but I don't loan out my saws anymore! And as for how fast they cut doesn't concern me as to years of service! My first saw if i pulled out of storage and tuned it up would still cut wood today at sixty years old and not many can say that about their first saw.
Echo is my choice too.. the whole concept of Stihl is a rip off. I can't argue that the hardware is near perfect, but I have No TIME for arrogant dealers.
In my young 60 years, I've developed this rule; never borrow or loan tools. never. It always goes bad. I NEVER get them back in decent condition, if I get them back at all. If someone wants a tool, they can do what I do; freaking buy one! or they could RENT one from a rental service. If they don't return it, nobody feels bad, they just come and break your legs. No hard feelings.
Got a Stihl 048 in 1980.This saw is so old that I can’t find an air filter for it.Still runs great,and I cut timber and firewood until hell wouldn’t have it! It’s been a pleasure to own a saw that starts every time and is so powerfull . ❤😊
I'm still running a Jonsered 371 that I bought new in 1976. Unsafe as hell, no safety equipment whatsoever, held together literally with baling wire and duct tape. But I can depend on it always starting. Never a bit of repair needed. (and it looks it).
Novice Lumberjack just released a video on the exact same chainsaw today. He measured the stoke & bore, and it's no more than 62 cc at the most. Overstating cubic centimeters is typical of all Chinese chainsaws. Despite the deception, its potential of being a good value is still there.
My thoughts instantly went back to mechanic days and Datsun's, etc used different engine blocks than came to America.. it's why you could buy used engines so cheap back in the day, is as I remember they had to change out their engines after so many miles.. different materials. Isn't it why we all like seeing "steel sleeve" cylinders instead of all aluminum? Good video
As a business, we run just Sthil. Yes, you pay a pretty price for them. But in return, you get a quality product that still starts after thousands of running hours. Reliability is what you want.
Most serious cutters buy stihl or Husqvarna saws and take them to the shop for a tune. These saws are used 5 plus hours a day cutting timber. Little different than a home owners use. Cheap saw works great for a while, when it's don't you can't fix it, no parts...
Not true, I have 2 of these saws for 10 years now. Only had to replace 1 chain brake and a pull start, plus the usual consumables. Parts are readily available.
Not true. I always use cheap tools, and keep them working myself. Yeah, original parts are often unobtainable, but I make do. I'm not pro, but I do put a lot of hard hours on my tools. Almost as many hours on the bench as in the field, but it still beats chopping with an axe.
I work as an arborist and the company I work for bought a 500i for us about 2 years ago. Bro I feel you so much when you keep coming back to say “I love the 500i” because I really do LOVE that saw. There is no comparison other than the 462c which is also Stihl so there’s that 😂
Arborist myself I own a company down here in FL. I have a 391 193 and HT103 I've had since 2017 they've been through 8 Hurricanes and every day work, they run amazing. The Stihls I've bought since Covid run great but take multiple pulls to get started in the morning. Love Stihls they feed my family and get the job done everyday Husqvarna cuts a bit faster but break or need maintenance often. When you're felling a giant you're running a Stihls not some Chinese bullshit
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I use this cheap saw with a 22 inch bar. Was cutting up trees on the ground two hurricanes ago and was so glad that I was wearing all my PPE when a hanging branch hit me in the head. Broke the side and right ear muff off. Hurt but no real damage done.
So my opinion is not going to be popular. We mow 150 yards a week. Stihl was all we used. It's pretty discouraging when half of your equipment is in the shop for repairs. Stihl is not the equipment it once was.
Wait you are telling me everyone is outsourcing their manufacturing to China and cutting corners to make more money or just st stay alive because everyone else is so you ha e to to be competitive no I have never heard of such a thing
I have one of these proyama pcs68 saws, I have had it for a year and have cut at least 15 cords of firewood with it, I was able to source a spare carburetor, ignition coil and air filters, The air filters seal good and don’t let dust into the carburetor, the saw gained a noticeable amount of power after about 10 tanks of fuel, I love my husqvarnas but it is nice to have a beater saw that I can leave in my truck and will not freak out if it is damaged or stolen, it also comes with a 18” bar and chain and 24” bar and chain, it has been easy starting and has enough power to run the 24” bar efficiently
My WEMARS 62cc (really 57/58) has help u for a year now. Surprisingly quality feel and operation. 120$. I’d bet it’s every bit the proyama equal for half.
That is really surprising to see a $250 saw perform like that. I'm sure it likely won't have the durability to work day in and day out like the Stihls, but not everyone needs that. Great video!
Most homeowner saws die because of being straight gassed ,a gasket deteriorating because of age or burning it up by pushing on a dull chain. For the average folks durability won't be an issue.
On the matter of outboard vs inboard clutches, there are a number of variables involved, but most of it boils down to a couple of things. Inboard clutches are easier get the chain in and off of. Outboard clutches allow for a smaller crankshaft bearings because the pressure from a tensioned chain is applied closer to the bearing. Inboard clutches allow for a more robust chain brake that is built into the power head. Outboard clutches require the brake assembly to be in the clutch cover which tends to have less structural integrity.
@@zaccheus acts as an open heat sink vs buried inside the case, does your bar and chain create heat? what is the chain in contact with besides the bar?
@iffykidmn8170 When a saw is sharp, the heat leaves with the chips. I don't believe the clutch is designed to cool the chain. I've certainly never noticed a temperature difference between inboard and outboard clutches.
@@zaccheus I never said anything about a design feature but perhaps a possible side benefit, does the bar and chain not create a certain amount of heat just piss reving out of the cut. have you ever actually checked the temperature difference between the two with a thermo gun? I have not so will leave it to others who have.
I have watched numerous videos. And I stop the video as soon as I see a guy start a saw and within seconds Rev it up. You sir are so far the only guy doing it right.
I've owned Husqvarna saws for fifty years. I have five saws. All start on one pull. The Proyama looks interesting. I might buy one just for the heck of it. Thanks for your review. BTW, I subscribed, because I think you are honest and a straight shooter. My kind of folks. 😊 Shalom/gw
The Proyama started on the first three pulls and only one pull when warm. Cut like a demon. If it holds up, it's a winner. Thanks! Shalom/gw PS Always do what you think is right. God and your friends will understand. Don't worry about the rest. Shalom/gw
I grew up using the cheaper saws. If you keep the chains sharp and the bars straight and true they cut great and are a good value. My issues most often began with trying to restart a saw during hot weather. Outdoor temperatures in the 80’s, run a full tank of fuel through the saw, stop and refill- saw won’t start 😮. Since switching to Stihl 25 years ago, I’ve never had this problem again. Something like this scenario should be in your 90 day test protocol. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us.
I cut for years with a poulan wild thing. That little saw made a lot of firewood. I have some big saws but I still rely on my little saws to cut down on fatigue. I spend a lot of time carving up trees so I can use as much as possible. My wood piles don’t look picture perfect but they still give the same heat. I do spend good money on quality wood stoves. Yep, there is where the money really goes to work.
I have an old 025, it starts and runs great unless you let it run out of fuel. On refill it will not start. Talked to a Stihl dealer and his advice was, “don’t let it run out of gas”.
My neighbor has a old farm boss that just keeps cutting but I've noticed that the one issue it has is restarting after it runs out of gas. I'm totally ignorant on small engines but it seemed odd that it was harder to start warm than cold.
Ive been a stihl person my whole life, I'm 63 now, never held another brand in my hand, when stihl bought out the 500i i wanted one, but like all the saws ive owned, ihave watched the professionals use them for a couple of years, then when i see they have operated them for a couple of years without troubles i buy one. My last saw was a ms 038 bought around 12 years ago and it has served me well , i have a 25, 30 and 36 inch gar for it, i use skip tooth on the big bar and hav fell about 15 trees over 30 inches over the years, Australian hardwood. Ass i said it has served me well. But it gave up last week. So i have the choice of repairing it for $1200 Australian or buying a 500i fir $2400 Australian. The 500i is lighter than the 038 has lots more power, i can use 36 inch bar without having to use skiptooth and ive watched them for over 2 years without seeing any major problems. Your demonstration was my final check. I'm going out to buy my dream saw, ive waited all my life for a saw like this. No disrespect to other brand users, but I'm a stihl man for life now. I wish everybody safe and happy cutting. ✅️😊😊😊😊😊😊😊🌏
Very much a chainsaw novice, and being only a gardener, I've been using a Husqvarna 455 Rancher. It has proved to be an excellent all round saw! I believe it can take up to a 24inch bar, which is more than enough for me!
Been running a 455 Rancher with the 24" bar for about 10 years now. Got the bigger bar when the stock bar got pinched up in a tree and had to abandon it to the elements (it came down eventually in a slightly different shape). Over the years have downed and bucked six full-grown maples (trunk base diameter exceeding 30"), two 80' black cherries (24" base) and innumerable smaller trees. One-pull starts, no leaks. I sure haven't babied it but I do treat it right, garage stored, cleaned & sharpened regularly. After finding a local outlet for 90 octane Ethanol-free gas have been using that exclusively (with 1:50 2-cycle oil ofc). Think it was something like $400 new when I bought it, they're a little pricier these days. Amazing value for consumer-grade big-box store purchase.
My grandfather bought property upstate New York in 1948, he along with his 2 brothers and a few cousins cleared a 3/4 acre lot with hand 2 man saws. He did this on the weekends while working to support 11 kids. Today I own the property with 2 cabins on it that he built with his hands and I can’t keep up with the maintenance for what he did on his spare time. I can only image if he had a chainsaw and how much time he would have saved. Men were different back then.
The farmers around here back in the old days (100 plus years ago) cut everything by hand, used dynamite to blow out the stumps and horses to pull logs to the belt driven (big) radial saw. Everyone burned wood and spent the winters working together to get a firewood supply for the next winter. But, that is at least equal to the stone fences they laid up. The quarter next to me has them 3 feet high all around the land. No Netflix then.
I grabbed an Echo CS590 probably 5 years ago or so when I needed to take down a tree and do some storm cleanup. I use it maybe once a year and it always fires up easily. I just couldn't bring myself to pay stihl money for their "equivalent" saw with less metal and seemingly lower durability. Interesting to see even cheaper options, hopefully they continue to improve. Having a dealer network/easy access to parts though IMO is a good argument for the echo/husky saws. cheaper than Stihl but still well supported.
Seems like about 60% of professionals run stihl. Pretty much everyone else runs Husqvarna. I would say the guys doing this for a living. Have a reason for doing that.
@@RockhillfarmYT I’d say that’s mostly because Stihl has the biggest dealer network and husqvarna was in the big boxes. Lots of guys near me run echo because there was a really good long time dealer nearby. From what I’ve seen they start more consistently in all weather conditions and run faster for the engine size.
Howdy Brock! That Proyama looks to be a heck of a bargain depending on how it holds up. Glad you are doing the 90 day evaluation, be interesting to hear the results. For guys like me that don't cut wood every day or even every week, this sounds like a great option. Well done and thanks for sharing 🤠
Carnivore diet. I only eat beef, butter, bacon and eggs. Only drink water and black coffee. Not only is it working, but I enjoy doing it. It also gives you a complete nutrition profile with no need for supplements.
Looks like the old department store Husqvarnas from back in the day, just styled in a new case. Great saws. Inwas gifted a old Craftsman 46cc. Cuts wood and it was free. Good enough for my yard maintenance! Great Video!
I have a 52 cc Chinese saw from Amazon that I paid $106 delivered to my door. So far, I have cut down seven trees and bulked them into firewood. The largest tree I cut down was 24 inches in diameter. I’ve had to replace the pull start assembly and the four screws that hold it on. That cost $12.00. I replaced the spark plug before I ever started up the saw. The spark plugs that came on my saw can damage the coil. I found that out by researching the saw, before I bought it. If you buy one of the 52 cc Chinese chainsaws like mine, put blue loctite on the four screws that hold the pull starter assembly on the saw. Check all screws and make sure they are tight. If not, the screws will vibrate out. My saw has performed faultlessly since replacing the pull start assembly. My son has purchased three of the cheap 52 cc saws so far. He has several Stihl saws, but they got too expensive to repair. Follow the break-in instructions to the letter. 20 to 1 mix for the first ten hours and 25 to 1 after that. For the casual user, the cheap Chinese saws are okay, if you have at least some mechanical ability. I have a 23 year-old Poulan saw that still runs. I’ve had to replace the fuel lines on it and gone through a couple of bars and multiple chains. I use it to cut stumps below ground. I buy 3 chains for $21 on Amazon. My son cuts trees for firewood. He burns wood to heat his home. The Chinese saws are working for him. I only process about one cord of firewood a year for a fireplace at our cabin. Before buying any cheap chainsaw, do a little research on TH-cam to see what users say about that particular saw. That’s how I learned to replace the original spark plug with a good quality spark plug, before using the saw. My son recently told me the 52 cc saws are now down to $89 on Amazon. One last note: the last two professional tree cutters I hired to take down trees charged $2500 +$2000 =$4500. I gave the last guy a $500 tip, on top of the $2000, because he did a great job. I can buy a lot of $100 saws for that kind of money. So far, the $120 I’ve spent on a cheap saw has saved me around $2000 for 7 trees. I’ll still call the professional for trees I don’t feel comfortable taking down myself.
I have owned an MS250 stihl for years. Cut no telling how much wood with it. We used it around our sawmill bucking logs to length and we now use it in our tree trimming business for larger work in the bucket. Its not a "Pro" level saw but does a great job and is very durable and long lasting. Even got it stuck in a cut up in the bucket, talking with ground and forgot i hadn't unharnessed it from teh bucket before i boomed down. Bent the bar badly but didn't hurt the saw. New bar and it works just fine. If you only need to make a few cuts, or a few trees the china stuff will probably work. Just like Harbor freight tools. But if you know you going to be using it for years to come, Stilh or Husq is probably a better choice even if its homeowner grade. Or go used pro grade.
Thanks for doing this comparison. I purchased a TimberPro CS6150 with 20" 3/8" pitch chain about six years ago. I paid $129.00 for it. From everything I have been able to find, it is said to be a clone of a Husqvarna Rancher 460? In my opinion, I have not regretted buying this saw, even if was manufactured in China. I have a very good friend that we have raced each other a few times with him using hi Stihl Farmhand with a 20" bar. I can very much keep up with him without much effort. In those six years I have only ever had to replace the chains along with the usual preventative maintenance. This saw will start after only 1 or 2 pulls on the starter, even after it has sat for a couple of months. I do work on small engines and equipment as a side line, so I like to pass on to anybody who is interested. I run ethanol free 90 octane gas and I prefer VP racing full synthetic 2 cycle oil. I feel with the ethanol free gas and the high quality oil, my saws run very clean, very little smoke, run cooler, and, after having maybe a couple hundred hours on this saw, I used a scope in the cylinder and found no discoloration or almost non existent carbon deposits, and the top of the piston and cylinder bore looked almost new.
I don't buy disposable products with no dealer or parts support and questionable material quality. For those on a budget you simply grab yourself an Echo Timberwolf and call it a day. Top notch quality and reliability, 5 year warranty, easy to obtain parts, available at Home Depot or online. If you're only going to need the saw once or twice just rent a pro saw...I loathe knockoffs/clones and other disposable junk from China. They vibrate badly, they need lots of adjustment, the ignition and switches fail after a year or so, the piston and cylinder quality is mediocre at best. There's no free lunch and you get what you pay for. I have four decades of experience with dozens of saws from around the world.
I like my Husqvarna 562 XPG chainsaw. I cut more than 30 m3 into 10 inch logs with that chainsaw this year. That was for firewood for my neighbors. I don't believe I could do it with any off-brand chainsaw. Don't wasting money for off-brand chainsaw!
Nice, fair comparison you did there, Brock. Thanks for that! The Proyama looks like it delivers a whole lot of value to a 'regular' homeowner/homesteader that just needs to cut a little firewood or clean up the occasional downed tree or limbs. Price-wise, it seems to be in the same ballpark as a Poulan Pro saw. Longevity will be the real test - but even at $260, you could buy a couple for the price of a single Stihl. Take care and God Bless.
The big difference is which one will last 20yrs. And if they both last 20yrs which one is less work to make it last that long. I had a husky farm tough that lasted 20yrs without a single issue. Used it every fall to get firewood ready. And it always started. Ive had the stihl farm boss now for 5 yrs. And again every fall and not a single problem. Ive seen friends and others try the cheaper brands ( craftsmen etc) and have way more problems in the first yr or two. And they def dont last as long. Unless youre a professional who cares about which saw cuts faster. In not spending $1000+ to cut a log 10 seconds faster. The husky and the stihl were both around $400. And for the record when the stihl finally dies ill be getting another husky.
After being in the landscape/lawncare industry for over 30 years my choice for quality is still the Stihl line of saws. Yes they can be outperformed in some areas. However after an employee dropped my old Stihl (mid range) saw from an oak tree some 20+ft up onto rock hard clay soil in NC with no damage I'm hard pressed to go with anything less in my preference of a saw. I actually watched it bounce about 3ft up off the ground and was counting my dollars for a new saw instantly. It didn't even get a crack but did have a small scratch. After inspecting the saw I just tied it to a rope and sent it back up fully fueled and ready for the rest of the day's work.
Did you adjust that Proyama carb at all? Sounded pretty good for an out-of-the-box tune, especially for an overseas unit. 10 years back, I played around with a bunch of Chinese saws. I found lousy materials and some genuine safety issues. But some of them did run way better than they had any business running, especially for the price point. Many of the issues showed up after 5-8 hours of run time. If you run a saw frequently, more than just the cut time matters. Operator fatigue and damage in your hands/joints from excessive vibration is a thing.
Always protect your hearing!! I was lazy in doing so and now at 55 there is no such thing as peace and quite. My ears ring so loud I must be be around noise of some kind even when I sleep. My hearing aids even generates white noise when needed. Sometimes I swear I would rather be deaf than have this noise in my head that there is absolutely not escape from. Protect your hearing people!
@@cpufrost I have a 661 with a 36 inch bar too. After using it one day I got a 462 with a 25" bar. I love the 661 and its hard to beat that power for big cuts, or cutting underwater. But its so heavy and so much power that it wears you out quickly. I can run the 462 all day long.
@@MysticalDragon73 Yeah it's heavy and I usually use it where that power is needed, i.e. felling larger trees and stump work. She pulls large bars great!
Ya gotta wonder though, will these new Chinese saw last anywhere near as long as a STIHL or Husky or Echo. And are the parts easy to get to repair them
I've got 4 Stihl saws and the only one that is reliable is the oldest one. I finally bought a Husqvarna because I've got a Husky weed trimmer that is very reliable. So far, other than leaking oil when it's sitting upright (I just turn it on the side when I'm done using it) it has worked every time. If I buy another one it will probably be an Echo.
If it's made in China, i don't want it. I'm not one of those guys that requires all my stuff to be made in USA, but I don't want stuff made in China if I can avoid it.
So you buy a shivy, ford, dodge, and replace 50 % of the parts ..... with what? look at Timken bearings they closed 10 plants the ones left assemble what's made in china ,
For all infrequent chainsaw users, by a battery powered chainsaw. Chainsaws don’t like to sit unused for long periods of time. Battery powered chainsaws are always ready to go and never suffer from carburetor problems.
You are parroting a statement made by other armchair enthusiasts, cutting firewood you need more than one saw. You have saws for trimming, saws for bucking, saws for large tree felling. You also need chain in rolls and tools to rivet them and also tools to sharpen them. Add it all up and you have a small fortune!
@@biggysground Yes, I am parroting the statement because it applies here. I just said he spent all that money to find out he needs a good saw, not one saw. Buy as many saws/bars/chains as feasible but stay away from plastic crankcases and junk prosumer equipment if you want it to last in heavy use.
@@FarmBossSaws "Buy once, cry once" Applies to buying one time and not choosing different saws, please learn correct English when replying and type what you mean.
I love watching these comparisons but I've been using my Husqvarna 550xp Mark 2 for 3 seasons and cut about 40 cord with it and dozens of saw logs and absolutely love it. Been cutting for a good 55 years and owned a lot of saws. The other day doing Helene cleanup in NE Tennessee I was cutting a big cherry blow down at 14 feet from the base for our sawmill and it fetched up. So i grabbed the tree with the Cat excavator to free it only to watch the 14 ft stump replant itself and fling the saw a good 20 feet in the air.😮 It never skipped a beat. Gave it a well deserved kiss😂. Great saw.
Novice Lumberjack released two videos on this same saw today, and it sounds excellent in his video. The muffler is very open & won't require a modification, which is rare today.
Stihl usually has a wider gauge than other saws. Big Stihls are usually 58 gauge or 63 gauge while other brand saws are mostly 50 gauge. You gave us the pitch on the saws; it was 3/8, but what is the gauge on the new saw? I looked it up. The chain on the Proyama saw is 3/8 pitch and 58 gauge, so the two saws are comparable.
Great Video Brock! I am not at all surprised with the results. The Proyama for clarification is a Zenoah Clone which I believe became Redmax and Husqvarna now owns them. In Japan, you can buy the brand new Redmax based on the same platform and they are quite pricey. Parts are very plentiful due to the popularity of this saw around the world. There can be some variation in plastics and recoil starts but overall, not too bad to service of need be!
Redmax were somewhat popular with Jonsered guys, because they were similar to Jonsered saws (but made by Zenoah). Thus, when Husqvarna dropped Jonsered, Redmax sort of filled that void for a few years. I no longer see Redmax chainsaws offered on their website. They still carry other products, but chainsaws are gone. My local Jonsered dealer sold Redmax, but he's stuck selling Efco or something else now. I am not a brand loyalty type of guy, but I wish Jonsered & Dolmar were still being made. Dolmar was the oldest gas chainsaw company in the world. It was sad to see Makita kill that. Like the Novice Lumberjack, I like red chainsaws! LOL!
@@oakiewoodsman My neighbor just bought one last year from the same dealer I mentioned. Places like Northern Tool sell them, but they are not really a cheap option. 60+ cc Italian Efco is $700+. My neighbor likes his saw, but it was a smaller one that he shared with me. You will find chainsaws on Efco's website, but not Redmax's website.
@@oakiewoodsman They offer two series (homeowners & professional somewhat). Everything is under 65 cc, however. Echo is probably a better value in my opinion.
The Proyama has a nice price point for a larger displacement saw. Only time will tell as to the longevity of the China made saw. It will probably hold up for awhile for the average homeowner that uses it on occasion. For every day all day use, better stick with proven saws like Stihl & Husqvarna. This Proyama was pretty impressive in this short test and for what I do around the property may be a great saw to have on hand. Thanks for comparison video Brock!! Keep up the great work! I look forward to your videos daily 🤑
They might have sent you a very good unit since they knew you were going to review. It’s better to buy yourself and ask for the money reimbursement. There is no way to know if they gave you a typical one unless you buy another without them knowing
That’s a really dark thought process. Logistically how would they even accomplish that if they wanted to? It’s a Chinese company and they distributors through Amazon. There are thousand of them at facilities across the country. I had it within two days of telling them I wanted it.
Have used sthil for 25 years.....only 1 ms200 saw was a lemon. Older 036 still running...think was an 80's saw...blew up a 361 and replaced with a 460...got a deal on it for 600 bucks. Biggest saw is a 660 with a 36in bar think i bought it in 02 or 04.... Want to try the ms500i but cant afford it now
I have a 20+ Year Old Stihl that's a beast and never been in the shop! How long will the cheap saw last? ( Plus I can get replacement parts if ever needed.)
Of course you can get a cheaper saw/brand that cuts as fast as the pro saws/expensive brands but will it last as long ? Stihl in my experience are extremly durable when basic maintenance is applied.
I bought a Walmart brand 16 inch chainsaw 4 years ago for $140 and it starts and runs like new. I cleared dozens and dozens of trees with it. I only use pre-mixed 50-1 fuel. I have not replaced the fuel filter or spark plug. I just replaced the chain because I cut a rock in two.
Firstly I live in Australia, cut a heap of firewood a few times a year, do lots of pruning (apparently our wood is some of the hardest on earth). For comparison- I have a Stihl MS230c, I also have a Chinese made Bushranger (Australian Company) and even though the Stihl has a slightly smaller engine it out performs the Chinese Saw with ease. If also found that the Chinese Saw's chain tensioner is of poor quality and the chain comes loose and sometimes get thrown after several cuts. The Stihl goes all day without hassle.
The next saw you should buy is a Farmertec. They have came a long way. They are Chinese and have some quirks but probably the best in the Chinese chainsaw market
You’re cutting red oak? I would like to see how it does on smaller stuff with a shorter bar and cutting through pine or fir 🌲the only thing I can think of is if the engine croaks it’s cheaper to toss it out then fix it unless it’s a $50 repair.
Red oak that has been underwater for 20 years, now dried out and HARD. Have one down that is 11 ft in diameter. Also Osage Orange (hedge) that is dried out is very hard. My neighbor sees me cutting through it with my Stihl 251 (and 310 I've had since they came out) and can't believe what he is seeing. I'm 80 now and have been cutting and burning wood in a furnace for 60 years, have had many saws. Most will work just fine if they are maintained and not abused or damaged in some way.
15 years ago I bought a lightly used 16" Homelite saw, about 30 ccs, for home use on trees around the yard, some up to 3 feet in diameter. Paid 40 bucks, nice square plastic case included. The case holds the saw, files, even 2-stroke oil and a quart of bar oil! Used it a lot, and it always starts, and even idles well. One season it kept dying one at idle, but that must've been crap gas, because it runs and idles well, now. Then, in 2022, I saw another one in Craigslist for $50, case included. I bought it, but had to replace the priming bulb and the chain, and straighten the bent chain adjustment screw, because the prev. owner must have not known the bar had to be loose to adjust the chain tension. Anyhoo, it works great, idles for me, and cuts great, too. The case was filthy, and I don't have the proper stowable dual-size socket-wrench/screwdriver, but another like it, so it stays in the case, not in the handy recess on the saw. I now have more wood than I can burn, and am giving it to relatives or putting it out on the street when I buck something up. Good times! 😊
I dont understand the people in the comments who say they only buy from sthil and nothing from China as if Sthil is an American brand. Its not it's German. Just because something is "assembled in America" doesn't make it a domestic brand. Most of the parts are globally sourced and just put together in America so they can slap an American flag on the box. Personally, I think we do need more products made solely in the US, but until I see an improvement in quality and price, I have no problems buying products made in China. And just to clarify, Im not slamming Sthil. I really like their products and I bought 2 chainsaws from them the other day because they are more reliable than other brands in my opinion but you definitely pay for it. If I can buy a comparable product from China for an 8th of the price I will.
I have a 200T,an 038 magnum 2 and an 066. They all run great and didn’t cost much to acquire or maintain. I’ve spent money on west coast saws mufflers for the 200 and the 066,that’s it😊
I purchased the Proyama 20"/24" PCS68 saw. I can't find a chain that will fit it other than from Proyama . Oregon makes a chain that has the same specs as a Proyama 20" bar which is: 3/8 pitch, .058 gauge and 68 links but it says it is for a 18" bar.
A buddy bought an Echo 501 (50 cc pro) and it pulled even with my MS261. Good dealer support, less money and 5 yr. Warranty for non-commercial use….worth looking at.
Me personally I buy the older ones with running issues. I like to get em not running. When I do that, I save a ton of $$ and use the extra funds to get a nice rebuild set. That way I'm getting basically a 0 hour saw with better internals than a brand new one. I usually get them anywhere from free or 20 bucks up to around 100. I spend around 80 to 150 on good brand new internals. So for a damn good saw that feels like 0 hours I'm only about 200 in. Where I live is a big tree worker area and my reputation for rebuilds is getting to the point where my boss is getting just as many calls looking for his engine builder than he is for tree work. Ive been a mechanic for decades and this year switched to trees. It's been really fun. The tree community is really awesome.
its sold out ！i contact the seller next pcs68 will arrive warehouse 16th may so just wait some days.but 62cc with 22/18inch bar perfect too i already have it
Great video and very informative. I am new to chainsaws and looking for a larger saw to tackle my projects here in the Pacific Northwest but money is an issue. You’ve helped me immensely! I am very impressed with your Proyama
Don't buy a cheap saw! They work..and they can be fixed inexpensively, but the hassle of having to constantly adjust and fix them in the field, and the time you waste with stupid little things going wrong virtually every time you use them just isn't worth it. I bought an Echo Timberwolf asfter my fiasco with a cheap chinese saw...and I can just take it out use it with no constant hassles. You get what you pay for.
wait until you have to get parts for it ?..lol. huskie sucks ( just returned a brand new saw the very next day )..sthil is nothing like it was moons ago..well..unless you fork out a crap load of money and buy a pro version ?..but how many home owners can afford one of those ?. i caught where at the start of this video, he said he did not order or pay for this saw ?, then later into the video..he CLEARLY SAID..'' i ordered this saw ''..hmm..sooo..which is it ??..lol. i had one of the best brand name saws i have ever used..and it was a mac 3514, paid $ 99.99 , came with a case too !. and it finally gave up the ghost. it is a damn shame they went out of bizz, or i'd buy another one right now !. sthil is junk too..unless you buy a pro saw ?. everything made today is made in china..our nation has sold us out to china...and were too stupid too see it !.
Your chainsaw collection is AWESOME and you should be PROUD of it. $5,000 spent on a business/hobby is NOTHING. IMO The high-end saws will: 1) last a lot longer with fewer problems 2) be a joy to use 3) re-sell for half or more of their original cost. The cheap saw will most likely: 1) last about a year 2) not feel as nice to use 3) be worthless for resale right away.
I enjoyed the video. Thanks for doing the comparison. Two quick questions: - Did you tune the carb on the Proyama prior to your comparison (I'm assuming you have previously tuned the 391)? - Any mods on the 391?
Looking forward to review after the long term use. Let us be honest, i doubt any pro would even look at a 250D Chinese Zenoah Clone. Interesting to see the followup.👍
@oakiewoodsman Mr Joe, for that price I may need to also I may need to get and try that top handle proyama you got. I've been running this pinkway for a few tanks of gas today and something still seems a little off with it. Not sure yet.
If you want a fast saw and save money buy a good pro grade saw and have it ported and the muffler piped. It will cut just as fast as or faster than the 500i.
It’s a good option. I’ve done some comparison videos with ported chainsaws. It makes a huge difference. You also have to find someone and send them your saw and there’s probably a long wait time. From what I’ve been told it’s minimum $500 on a saw like mine. Some of the businesses that do, it won’t even work on a used saw. They will only port a new one. So prograde saw that is big enough to do what you’re saying you’re gonna have to spend at least $1000 on the saw and 500 to have it modified so pretty close to the same price . At that point you have an expensive saw without a warranty
@@RockhillfarmYT there are many people that will port used saws and it's not 500 to have it done. For instance if you look up Dyno Joe Mods here on TH-cam has a web page that shows what he charges ($450) for porting, plus shipping (around $25-$35), and buying a used 70cc saw (just say you buy one for $300) that's a lot lighter then you 500i. You're looking at $800 for a saw that will out cut your 500i and cut like a 90cc saw for way less. Or don't do a port job and just spend around $100-$150 on a muffler mod or a piped muffler and have it run just the same as your 500i. Which you would be spending $400-$450 (half of what you sent on your 500i. Still lighter, same power, and cheaper by half or more.
@@chadrogers4635you are not buying a prograde 70cc saw in our area for these numbers. You are right, some porters will port a well used saw. Some will not n
My dad gave me his old McCulloch pro mac 610. It's a few years older than me and wasn't run in decades. Put some fresh gas in it, added some starter fluid and it kicked right over. Added seafoam to the next tank and it's been running great. Its a little heavy but a great saw. Run it out of gas before you store it and it'll probably run forever. Can't beat free. Company folded years ago but still a lot of them out there.
Looks like a bark box on your 500i. I run a 661 with an Egan straight shot. Love the sound and the saw can breathe. Your 391 needs one! The Proyama sounds much healthier, its stock muffler is definitely more open.
The manufacturer sent you the saw, and you posted a link to the saw. I really don't care about the test, but this was a quid pro quo situation at the least.
@@RockhillfarmYT Would you have posted a link if the saw had performed poorly? You became their salesman. You then ended up with a saw and $ from your video. On a different topic, you should compare fuel consumption.
@@scottnugent4791 of course I would’ve posted it if it performed poorly. I didn’t even endorse the saw in the video. I just said the pros in the cons. I Rick review equipment for a living. A lot of my videos show products that were sent to me. All I can do is announce out loud that it was sent to me so that the viewer has a full understanding of what they are watching.
Husqvarna farm boss $400. Husqvarna 365e special $650 Eco 300 series top trigger climbing saw, $386 eco up lift saw $467 Wild thing, 16in for small limbs, $279
I run these cheap saws cutting lots of firewood. And the answer is no they don't hold up. But I still use them because they are cheap to replace and honestly I've learned a lot repairing them. I felt much better about screwing up a cheap saw trying to fix it rather then screwing up an expensive saw trying to fix it.
Of my 4 main cutting saws. I paid 85 dollars overhaul, and of those 4 saws one is a cheap but runs strong newer 4214 craftsman that I got practically brand new that some put a 20 inch bar and chain on. Then traded it in to a second hand store. I bought it, ran it with the 20 inch. It handled it fairly well but put a 14 inch bar and chain back on to let it work properly. My other 3 are a homelite 360 (free be i fixed up that the guy didn't want). That saw needs new crank seals or the carburetor bit the big one. My other is a stihl 041 farm boss. (Guy dropped by my former place of work, a repair shop and asked if i wanted it so i took it in. Cleaned the carburetor and put a new pulse line on it, runs great). And my last is my dads old MS290 Farm Boss. Which that is a nice screamer that runs like a champ. And i will say, my favorite brand is stihl. When you can easily pick up a 15+ year old saw of theres. And with a little maintainance, have it become a dependable worker. Then you have a winner.
The 290 is the best homeowner saw ever made, IMO, I recently bought the new 400 mtronic and it a screamer, but the 290 has cut well over 100 cords over the years and runs just as strong as when new. I have run every crap oil in my gas known to man, even engine oil. I fanally had to put a new bar on it last year, Jerry rig the handle and the chain break broke off a couple years back but, only changed the spark plug once. I go through 1 chain a year and cut 10-12 cords a year. My 290 will still be running when I'm dead.
I have a 62cc Giantz with a 20 inch bar and it goes hard, including cutting through dried and very hard 13-14 is inch round yellowbox. The only problem with them is you need the odd shaped screwdriver for the carby.
Thanks for posting this video. I look forward to seeing the results of your 90-day test. I'm concerned about the Reviews on Amazon for this Proyama chainsaw. 16% 1-star reviews are creating quite a fish hook in the ratings. Some highlights of the 1-star reviews indicate possible quality control issues. They talk about things not fitting together properly, chain won't stay tight, chain won't stay on the bar, choke not connected to anything, never could get it to start, it runs for a few minutes then stops, and it ran for a job or two but won't start any more. My only concern is that the Proyama folks may have given extra attention to quality control of the chainsaw they sent you. That's why I always prefer reviews where the reviewer buys items themselves (online or at a retail outlet), because that prevents the manufacturer from sending a "pick of the litter" item.
Great video. I was originally looking for a rancher 460. Before I came across these. I already have a husqvarna 45 special for a small saw but want something bigger. I only cut down a few trees a year and cut some firewood from time to time. What would you recommend?
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Quit fooling around and buy a 372 Husqvarna that's a real saw
Thanks for the video.
I think you’ll find the cheap saw won’t handle long term abuse.
I’ve got both pro saws and cheap saws, the pro product is more consistently reliable. If you cut a bit of firewood buying cheap is probably fine. If you rely on your saw to heat your home or feed your family you’re better off with a pro saw and keep the cheap one around for backup. Imo.
Cheers.
If you're right (questionable), then buy 2 of the budget saws... then you have a spare... and will have far longer overall life and uptime/availability than ANY single saw.
@@turbodog99 You'll still end up fixing both more often then a quality saw and spend more time trying to track down parts when you need too fix them
@@Morpheen999 Ya, I'm a old chainsaw mechanic who worked for a timber company. We used Husqvarna when I first got there. 288's for the fellers and 268's for loggers / landing guys. Both were good but then the 288's started breaking cases and Husqvarna didn't warrantee them we we went to Jonsered. 270's which were basically same as the 268 Husky. Lots were same part numbers. Fellers used the 2077 Jonsered. Which came out turbo'd. The 2077 ran good but mufflers kept breaking off and other things made it hard for the cutters to get a 6 hour shift in and they hated packing them out of the canyons to get worked on. Then we went Stihl. Mostly 044's for both cutters and loggers. We tried the 046 and the 066 and both were good. Stihl's were lower RPM running saws and the users were used to hearing the Husky rev. Those extra RPM's were bad for the crank shafts. The early 044's we started using fried many of their cranks. Stihl came out with a new heavier duty crank that helped and I did a few things to keep the users from leaning the carbs out and frying the cranks. Once we got saws from over revving they lasted at least twice as long. I was curious a year ago and bought the chine made Stihl clone saw kits and put them together. They run and sound just like the Stihl original saws. What I have no idea about is longevity. I have a 066/660 I put together I haven't put a bar on yet. I ported it too. I am just not anywhere I can use it to test it. Possibly this Summer. The china saws are affordable. Even if you have to buy 3 of those for every 1 stihl original. You can say warrantee makes a difference but Stihl wasn't good about guarantees either. When a crank starts going bad it gets hot and turns the bearing and crank blue. Stihl would say the saw was leaned out and THAT was why it failed. I had set the RPM's with the stihl tool and welded the carb jets together so they were tamper proof and cranks still went bad. Not many but they didn't warrantee them. Put a new crank in and the RPM's were still where I had set them the first time. The problem with the china saws is it's hard to get a full wrap handle bar.
How do you figure thats true? I hear about problems with Stihl and Husqvrna all the time. I have the same experience with my husqvarna. It worked for one firewood season and didnt want to start during the summer 4 months later. Needed a new carb. Im not sold on over priced brands because some brand snob says a product is better. Even my echo is better than my husqvarna. The 62 cc Chinese Neotec knockoff is better than the husky too, I've ran it more than the husky and no issues. no need for a new carb either. Only noticeable difference is vibration and im not concerned about that in the least. If I need a new saw every 6 years I'll be buying abother chinese knockoff. $200 or $700? Brand snobs just love to waste money. @Morpheen999
@@youtubecertified4643I totally agree. Even if it craps out you haven't lost much.
I chopped for a friend in the eighties another friend with saw shop convinced me to buy integrated ear muffs and face shield dropped large oak a dead standing hemlock that I couldn't see had a long branch from the oak wrapped around it hemlock came down from behind me gave me a glancing blow on side of helmet almost knocked me out still have scar tissue in neck but would have been dead without helmet in my opinion great video
I was in the tree trimming business, and used small saws for climbing. I started out with Homelites which in those days were pretty good saws, but then when the firewood craze came along in the late 70's, they went down hill fast as they were mass producing them and selling them in every hardware store. I switched to a Stihl pro model with top handle, a real trimming saw, which was a pain to take apart, but there was no question it far surpassed the Homelites in power, weight, and engineering. Now I'm in my 70's, still cutting firewood with this old tree trimming saw, it just won't die. You get what you pay for.
I have an 020 top handle I bought used about 50 years ago, runs great today after countless cords of firewood. Not ideal size for firewood but it still works.
I don't know man, I bought a homelite brush cutter that ran for many years before selling it. I then moved to a farm and knew I needed a chainsaw so I went and got a homelite 16 inch. Still using it now after 6 years and I cut most of our fire wood with it except the really big stuff and never spent a penny on it except for a new bar. I have bought a number of chinese knockoffs that are pretty good for the price, but 2 have failed in that time. Only small things like brake locking, cord broke ect...but not really worth fixing. I'm so impressed with the homelite I have a brand new one sitting there when she finally dies on me. :) EDIT: She starts first time every time unless I've forgotten to empty old fuel for the new season.
I bought a 029 farm boss Stihl in 1994, Stihl running.
Bought my 029 the day after a hurricane hit us, Sept 96. Just some minor tuneups and filters and she has never spent the night in the shop!
Don’t know the year I bought my 029 but general mantience and it’s still going strong
I have a 20 plus year old 038 that worked in the woods, now is my firewood saw with a 32 inch bar. Still runs strong.
Yes, bought mine in 1996 after getting hit with a tornado at our farm. Absolutely no parts were changed on it including air filter and spark plug until 2022.
It listed for $360 at my local hardware store. They had a coupon that the saw shop manager was refusing to honor. I argued with him until 10 minutes before closing and coupon expiration. After I read to him for the twentieth time: 15% off of any one item in the store - he finally relented to a point, and grabbed the display model without a bar cover and mumbled something about a reduced warranty.
@@Larry-hi1rithe O series ended sometime around 2000.
At eighty I just bought probably the the last chainsaw I'll buy. I've owned three different brands through sixty plus years of cutting firewood. I should clarify three brands/ I've only had three saws in all the time. Still have the #3 which is a Husqvarna 61 and just add a little Echo cs130 for limbing out. This is the second Echo the first I loaned to a cousin and some how fell a tree on it; was told he'd get it repaired and never saw it again! And that was at least thirty years ago and I was so impressed with that Echo I had to try another one but I don't loan out my saws anymore!
And as for how fast they cut doesn't concern me as to years of service!
My first saw if i pulled out of storage and tuned it up would still cut wood today at sixty years old and not many can say that about their first saw.
Echo is my choice too.. the whole concept of Stihl is a rip off. I can't argue that the hardware is near perfect, but I have No TIME for arrogant dealers.
If you took the first out of storage what would it be
In my young 60 years, I've developed this rule; never borrow or loan tools. never. It always goes bad. I NEVER get them back in decent condition, if I get them back at all. If someone wants a tool, they can do what I do; freaking buy one! or they could RENT one from a rental service. If they don't return it, nobody feels bad, they just come and break your legs. No hard feelings.
love my echo always starts right up
I had Stihls for decades but after getting an Echo, I'm totally sold on Echo.
Got a Stihl 048 in 1980.This saw is so old that I can’t find an air filter for it.Still runs great,and I cut timber and firewood until hell wouldn’t have it! It’s been a pleasure to own a saw that starts every time and is so powerfull . ❤😊
I'm still running a Jonsered 371 that I bought new in 1976. Unsafe as hell, no safety equipment whatsoever, held together literally with baling wire and duct tape. But I can depend on it always starting. Never a bit of repair needed. (and it looks it).
Novice Lumberjack just released a video on the exact same chainsaw today. He measured the stoke & bore, and it's no more than 62 cc at the most. Overstating cubic centimeters is typical of all Chinese chainsaws. Despite the deception, its potential of being a good value is still there.
Do these have the typical Chinese useless air filter?
@@jgz6989 Filter look superior to my Jonsered & Husky chainsaws.
@@driftlesshunter9200 Found another review on it: th-cam.com/video/SbqieprPfig/w-d-xo.html
yes, I was hoping someone would mention the lie of engine size these chinese zenoah clones report.
My thoughts instantly went back to mechanic days and Datsun's, etc used different engine blocks than came to America.. it's why you could buy used engines so cheap back in the day, is as I remember they had to change out their engines after so many miles.. different materials. Isn't it why we all like seeing "steel sleeve" cylinders instead of all aluminum? Good video
As a business, we run just Sthil. Yes, you pay a pretty price for them. But in return, you get a quality product that still starts after thousands of running hours. Reliability is what you want.
Most serious cutters buy stihl or Husqvarna saws and take them to the shop for a tune. These saws are used 5 plus hours a day cutting timber. Little different than a home owners use. Cheap saw works great for a while, when it's don't you can't fix it, no parts...
Huskie is very good, but Echo better by far. IMO.. I'd take a free stihl, but if I have to pay, Echo wins for me.
Not true, I have 2 of these saws for 10 years now. Only had to replace 1 chain brake and a pull start, plus the usual consumables. Parts are readily available.
Not true. I always use cheap tools, and keep them working myself. Yeah, original parts are often unobtainable, but I make do. I'm not pro, but I do put a lot of hard hours on my tools. Almost as many hours on the bench as in the field, but it still beats chopping with an axe.
If I was a pro charging hundreds an hour, I'd do it your way, but I'm not. I'm retired and I don't have that kind of money. I do have the time though.
When I was a kid, I felled hundreds of trees with a framesaw and a hatchet. My cheap chainsaws are WAY easier!
I work as an arborist and the company I work for bought a 500i for us about 2 years ago. Bro I feel you so much when you keep coming back to say “I love the 500i” because I really do LOVE that saw. There is no comparison other than the 462c which is also Stihl so there’s that 😂
Arborist myself I own a company down here in FL. I have a 391 193 and HT103 I've had since 2017 they've been through 8 Hurricanes and every day work, they run amazing. The Stihls I've bought since Covid run great but take multiple pulls to get started in the morning. Love Stihls they feed my family and get the job done everyday Husqvarna cuts a bit faster but break or need maintenance often. When you're felling a giant you're running a Stihls not some Chinese bullshit
@@thearborfarmer8973pa da,mi svi , ujutro prije kave,srušimo 2-3 diva,pa bez Stihla ne možemo....
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I use this cheap saw with a 22 inch bar. Was cutting up trees on the ground two hurricanes ago and was so glad that I was wearing all my PPE when a hanging branch hit me in the head. Broke the side and right ear muff off. Hurt but no real damage done.
So my opinion is not going to be popular. We mow 150 yards a week. Stihl was all we used. It's pretty discouraging when half of your equipment is in the shop for repairs. Stihl is not the equipment it once was.
Same with MACK trucks. They are all JUNK!
None are that's the corporate corruption we live in.
Wait you are telling me everyone is outsourcing their manufacturing to China and cutting corners to make more money or just st stay alive because everyone else is so you ha e to to be competitive no I have never heard of such a thing
It’s possible your repair shop is not what it used to be…
Is it bad that Stihl is half as good as it was but they're still twice as good as the rest of the brands?
I have one of these proyama pcs68 saws, I have had it for a year and have cut at least 15 cords of firewood with it, I was able to source a spare carburetor, ignition coil and air filters,
The air filters seal good and don’t let dust into the carburetor, the saw gained a noticeable amount of power after about 10 tanks of fuel, I love my husqvarnas but it is nice to have a beater saw that I can leave in my truck and will not freak out if it is damaged or stolen, it also comes with a 18” bar and chain and 24” bar and chain, it has been easy starting and has enough power to run the 24” bar efficiently
Thanks for sharing
hello where you bought proyama chainsaw
Would love to see an update video on that Proyama saw to see how it’s holding up now.
My WEMARS 62cc (really 57/58) has help u for a year now. Surprisingly quality feel and operation. 120$. I’d bet it’s every bit the proyama equal for half.
Yeah after reading all the 1-star reviews I would not buy one.
@ bet you’re wrong.
@@jimmylarge1148 You bet *who* is wrong?
@@hikerJohn boat anchor boy
That is really surprising to see a $250 saw perform like that. I'm sure it likely won't have the durability to work day in and day out like the Stihls, but not everyone needs that. Great video!
They can be a good saw for the money and many people cut quite a bit of wood with saws just like that.
Most homeowner saws die because of being straight gassed ,a gasket deteriorating because of age or burning it up by pushing on a dull chain. For the average folks durability won't be an issue.
@@modarkthemauler i agree! A gallon of 2 stroke is a lot of fuel for an occasional cutter or someone that needs only a cord a year.
I got a similar Chinese chainsaw for $110 on eBay recently(60cc/22") and it's surprisingly good. No issues at all and plenty of power.
On the matter of outboard vs inboard clutches, there are a number of variables involved, but most of it boils down to a couple of things. Inboard clutches are easier get the chain in and off of. Outboard clutches allow for a smaller crankshaft bearings because the pressure from a tensioned chain is applied closer to the bearing. Inboard clutches allow for a more robust chain brake that is built into the power head. Outboard clutches require the brake assembly to be in the clutch cover which tends to have less structural integrity.
along with heat dispersion.
@iffykidmn8170 I'm not as familiar with that element if things, but if your clutch is making heat, something is wrong.
@@zaccheus acts as an open heat sink vs buried inside the case, does your bar and chain create heat? what is the chain in contact with besides the bar?
@iffykidmn8170 When a saw is sharp, the heat leaves with the chips. I don't believe the clutch is designed to cool the chain. I've certainly never noticed a temperature difference between inboard and outboard clutches.
@@zaccheus I never said anything about a design feature but perhaps a possible side benefit, does the bar and chain not create a certain amount of heat just piss reving out of the cut. have you ever actually checked the temperature difference between the two with a thermo gun? I have not so will leave it to others who have.
I have watched numerous videos. And I stop the video as soon as I see a guy start a saw and within seconds Rev it up. You sir are so far the only guy doing it right.
I have a returned Ryobi chainsaw i bought used f o r $65.oo at home depot filled with gas and bar oil its never been a problem
I've owned Husqvarna saws for fifty years. I have five saws. All start on one pull. The Proyama looks interesting. I might buy one just for the heck of it. Thanks for your review. BTW, I subscribed, because I think you are honest and a straight shooter. My kind of folks. 😊 Shalom/gw
I appreciate it. I’ve been wanting to get my hands on some Husqvarna sauce to compare to my stihls
@@RockhillfarmYT I got the Proyama yesterday. Looks really good. I plan to run it this week. Stay tuned! ;-)) Shalom/gw
The Proyama started on the first three pulls and only one pull when warm. Cut like a demon. If it holds up, it's a winner. Thanks! Shalom/gw PS Always do what you think is right. God and your friends will understand. Don't worry about the rest. Shalom/gw
Husky’s are the best bar none.
never seen a 2 stroke start on 1 pull.
I grew up using the cheaper saws. If you keep the chains sharp and the bars straight and true they cut great and are a good value. My issues most often began with trying to restart a saw during hot weather. Outdoor temperatures in the 80’s, run a full tank of fuel through the saw, stop and refill- saw won’t start 😮. Since switching to Stihl 25 years ago, I’ve never had this problem again. Something like this scenario should be in your 90 day test protocol. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us.
I cut for years with a poulan wild thing. That little saw made a lot of firewood. I have some big saws but I still rely on my little saws to cut down on fatigue. I spend a lot of time carving up trees so I can use as much as possible. My wood piles don’t look picture perfect but they still give the same heat. I do spend good money on quality wood stoves. Yep, there is where the money really goes to work.
Crack your fuel tank in hot weather before starting sounds like vapor lock
@@HubertofLiegeYeah, we always tried that- rarely worked 😮. YMMV
I have an old 025, it starts and runs great unless you let it run out of fuel. On refill it will not start.
Talked to a Stihl dealer and his advice was, “don’t let it run out of gas”.
My neighbor has a old farm boss that just keeps cutting but I've noticed that the one issue it has is restarting after it runs out of gas. I'm totally ignorant on small engines but it seemed odd that it was harder to start warm than cold.
Ive been a stihl person my whole life, I'm 63 now, never held another brand in my hand, when stihl bought out the 500i i wanted one, but like all the saws ive owned, ihave watched the professionals use them for a couple of years, then when i see they have operated them for a couple of years without troubles i buy one. My last saw was a ms 038 bought around 12 years ago and it has served me well , i have a 25, 30 and 36 inch gar for it, i use skip tooth on the big bar and hav fell about 15 trees over 30 inches over the years, Australian hardwood. Ass i said it has served me well. But it gave up last week. So i have the choice of repairing it for $1200 Australian or buying a 500i fir $2400 Australian. The 500i is lighter than the 038 has lots more power, i can use 36 inch bar without having to use skiptooth and ive watched them for over 2 years without seeing any major problems. Your demonstration was my final check. I'm going out to buy my dream saw, ive waited all my life for a saw like this. No disrespect to other brand users, but I'm a stihl man for life now. I wish everybody safe and happy cutting. ✅️😊😊😊😊😊😊😊🌏
Very much a chainsaw novice, and being only a gardener, I've been using a Husqvarna 455 Rancher. It has proved to be an excellent all round saw! I believe it can take up to a 24inch bar, which is more than enough for me!
Been running a 455 Rancher with the 24" bar for about 10 years now. Got the bigger bar when the stock bar got pinched up in a tree and had to abandon it to the elements (it came down eventually in a slightly different shape). Over the years have downed and bucked six full-grown maples (trunk base diameter exceeding 30"), two 80' black cherries (24" base) and innumerable smaller trees. One-pull starts, no leaks. I sure haven't babied it but I do treat it right, garage stored, cleaned & sharpened regularly. After finding a local outlet for 90 octane Ethanol-free gas have been using that exclusively (with 1:50 2-cycle oil ofc). Think it was something like $400 new when I bought it, they're a little pricier these days. Amazing value for consumer-grade big-box store purchase.
My grandfather bought property upstate New York in 1948, he along with his 2 brothers and a few cousins cleared a 3/4 acre lot with hand 2 man saws. He did this on the weekends while working to support 11 kids. Today I own the property with 2 cabins on it that he built with his hands and I can’t keep up with the maintenance for what he did on his spare time. I can only image if he had a chainsaw and how much time he would have saved. Men were different back then.
The farmers around here back in the old days (100 plus years ago) cut everything by hand, used dynamite to blow out the stumps and horses to pull logs to the belt driven (big) radial saw. Everyone burned wood and spent the winters working together to get a firewood supply for the next winter. But, that is at least equal to the stone fences they laid up. The quarter next to me has them 3 feet high all around the land. No Netflix then.
I grabbed an Echo CS590 probably 5 years ago or so when I needed to take down a tree and do some storm cleanup. I use it maybe once a year and it always fires up easily. I just couldn't bring myself to pay stihl money for their "equivalent" saw with less metal and seemingly lower durability. Interesting to see even cheaper options, hopefully they continue to improve. Having a dealer network/easy access to parts though IMO is a good argument for the echo/husky saws. cheaper than Stihl but still well supported.
Echo is everything Stil is and more.
@@W1ldt1mno way
Seems like about 60% of professionals run stihl. Pretty much everyone else runs Husqvarna. I would say the guys doing this for a living. Have a reason for doing that.
@@RockhillfarmYT I’d say that’s mostly because Stihl has the biggest dealer network and husqvarna was in the big boxes. Lots of guys near me run echo because there was a really good long time dealer nearby. From what I’ve seen they start more consistently in all weather conditions and run faster for the engine size.
Have a cs490 that I love
Howdy Brock! That Proyama looks to be a heck of a bargain depending on how it holds up. Glad you are doing the 90 day evaluation, be interesting to hear the results. For guys like me that don't cut wood every day or even every week, this sounds like a great option. Well done and thanks for sharing 🤠
Dude, you look so much healthier than in December. Keep it up man!
Thanks a lot. I’ve lost a total of 58 pounds and feel much better.
Comments like this are motivating.
You got this!
@@RockhillfarmYT what are you doing to lose it?
Carnivore diet. I only eat beef, butter, bacon and eggs. Only drink water and black coffee.
Not only is it working, but I enjoy doing it. It also gives you a complete nutrition profile with no need for supplements.
@@RockhillfarmYT congrats... transformation has been incredible so far
Looks like the old department store Husqvarnas from back in the day, just styled in a new case. Great saws. Inwas gifted a old Craftsman 46cc. Cuts wood and it was free. Good enough for my yard maintenance!
Great Video!
I have a 52 cc Chinese saw from Amazon that I paid $106 delivered to my door. So far, I have cut down seven trees and bulked them into firewood. The largest tree I cut down was 24 inches in diameter. I’ve had to replace the pull start assembly and the four screws that hold it on. That cost $12.00. I replaced the spark plug before I ever started up the saw. The spark plugs that came on my saw can damage the coil. I found that out by researching the saw, before I bought it.
If you buy one of the 52 cc Chinese chainsaws like mine, put blue loctite on the four screws that hold the pull starter assembly on the saw. Check all screws and make sure they are tight. If not, the screws will vibrate out. My saw has performed faultlessly since replacing the pull start assembly. My son has purchased three of the cheap 52 cc saws so far. He has several Stihl saws, but they got too expensive to repair. Follow the break-in instructions to the letter. 20 to 1 mix for the first ten hours and 25 to 1 after that.
For the casual user, the cheap Chinese saws are okay, if you have at least some mechanical ability. I have a 23 year-old Poulan saw that still runs. I’ve had to replace the fuel lines on it and gone through a couple of bars and multiple chains. I use it to cut stumps below ground. I buy 3 chains for $21 on Amazon. My son cuts trees for firewood. He burns wood to heat his home. The Chinese saws are working for him. I only process about one cord of firewood a year for a fireplace at our cabin.
Before buying any cheap chainsaw, do a little research on TH-cam to see what users say about that particular saw. That’s how I learned to replace the original spark plug with a good quality spark plug, before using the saw. My son recently told me the 52 cc saws are now down to $89 on Amazon.
One last note: the last two professional tree cutters I hired to take down trees charged $2500 +$2000 =$4500. I gave the last guy a $500 tip, on top of the $2000, because he did a great job. I can buy a lot of $100 saws for that kind of money. So far, the $120 I’ve spent on a cheap saw has saved me around $2000 for 7 trees. I’ll still call the professional for trees I don’t feel comfortable taking down myself.
This is the kind of comment that I look for. Thanks for the info.
I have owned an MS250 stihl for years. Cut no telling how much wood with it. We used it around our sawmill bucking logs to length and we now use it in our tree trimming business for larger work in the bucket. Its not a "Pro" level saw but does a great job and is very durable and long lasting. Even got it stuck in a cut up in the bucket, talking with ground and forgot i hadn't unharnessed it from teh bucket before i boomed down. Bent the bar badly but didn't hurt the saw. New bar and it works just fine.
If you only need to make a few cuts, or a few trees the china stuff will probably work. Just like Harbor freight tools. But if you know you going to be using it for years to come, Stilh or Husq is probably a better choice even if its homeowner grade. Or go used pro grade.
Congratulations on supporting the Chinese communist government. I will buy American made Stihl.
J
I just ordered a Farmertec G660 pro, looking forward to trying it out.🙂🙂🙂🙂
Thanks for doing this comparison. I purchased a TimberPro CS6150 with 20" 3/8" pitch chain about six years ago. I paid $129.00 for it. From everything I have been able to find, it is said to be a clone of a Husqvarna Rancher 460? In my opinion, I have not regretted buying this saw, even if was manufactured in China. I have a very good friend that we have raced each other a few times with him using hi Stihl Farmhand with a 20" bar. I can very much keep up with him without much effort. In those six years I have only ever had to replace the chains along with the usual preventative maintenance. This saw will start after only 1 or 2 pulls on the starter, even after it has sat for a couple of months. I do work on small engines and equipment as a side line, so I like to pass on to anybody who is interested. I run ethanol free 90 octane gas and I prefer VP racing full synthetic 2 cycle oil. I feel with the ethanol free gas and the high quality oil, my saws run very clean, very little smoke, run cooler, and, after having maybe a couple hundred hours on this saw, I used a scope in the cylinder and found no discoloration or almost non existent carbon deposits, and the top of the piston and cylinder bore looked almost new.
I don't buy disposable products with no dealer or parts support and questionable material quality. For those on a budget you simply grab yourself an Echo Timberwolf and call it a day. Top notch quality and reliability, 5 year warranty, easy to obtain parts, available at Home Depot or online. If you're only going to need the saw once or twice just rent a pro saw...I loathe knockoffs/clones and other disposable junk from China. They vibrate badly, they need lots of adjustment, the ignition and switches fail after a year or so, the piston and cylinder quality is mediocre at best. There's no free lunch and you get what you pay for. I have four decades of experience with dozens of saws from around the world.
U couldn't be more right, but there r many who fall for that common trap, sadly so !
ECHO!
I agree with this and I get 10% veteran discount at home depot... Can't beat that. It's also local.
@@oldaxehead655 Echo local? It's a Japanese brand.
I like my Husqvarna 562 XPG chainsaw. I cut more than 30 m3 into 10 inch logs with that chainsaw this year. That was for firewood for my neighbors. I don't believe I could do it with any off-brand chainsaw.
Don't wasting money for off-brand chainsaw!
Nice, fair comparison you did there, Brock. Thanks for that! The Proyama looks like it delivers a whole lot of value to a 'regular' homeowner/homesteader that just needs to cut a little firewood or clean up the occasional downed tree or limbs. Price-wise, it seems to be in the same ballpark as a Poulan Pro saw. Longevity will be the real test - but even at $260, you could buy a couple for the price of a single Stihl.
Take care and God Bless.
The big difference is which one will last 20yrs. And if they both last 20yrs which one is less work to make it last that long. I had a husky farm tough that lasted 20yrs without a single issue. Used it every fall to get firewood ready. And it always started. Ive had the stihl farm boss now for 5 yrs. And again every fall and not a single problem. Ive seen friends and others try the cheaper brands ( craftsmen etc) and have way more problems in the first yr or two. And they def dont last as long. Unless youre a professional who cares about which saw cuts faster. In not spending $1000+ to cut a log 10 seconds faster. The husky and the stihl were both around $400. And for the record when the stihl finally dies ill be getting another husky.
Yes many of the chainsaw you tubers are pros obsessed with performance a casual user simply has no need for a ported saw 😮
@imfree62 close but the 044 is the legend to judge others.😉😁
It only has to last 5 years then get another 😂😂😂😂😂
For 7.99 Amazon insurance for a full refund or replacement or repair for 2 years. Ya do the math.
After being in the landscape/lawncare industry for over 30 years my choice for quality is still the Stihl line of saws. Yes they can be outperformed in some areas. However after an employee dropped my old Stihl (mid range) saw from an oak tree some 20+ft up onto rock hard clay soil in NC with no damage I'm hard pressed to go with anything less in my preference of a saw. I actually watched it bounce about 3ft up off the ground and was counting my dollars for a new saw instantly. It didn't even get a crack but did have a small scratch. After inspecting the saw I just tied it to a rope and sent it back up fully fueled and ready for the rest of the day's work.
Did you adjust that Proyama carb at all? Sounded pretty good for an out-of-the-box tune, especially for an overseas unit.
10 years back, I played around with a bunch of Chinese saws. I found lousy materials and some genuine safety issues. But some of them did run way better than they had any business running, especially for the price point. Many of the issues showed up after 5-8 hours of run time.
If you run a saw frequently, more than just the cut time matters. Operator fatigue and damage in your hands/joints from excessive vibration is a thing.
I did not make any adjustments
Always protect your hearing!! I was lazy in doing so and now at 55 there is no such thing as peace and quite. My ears ring so loud I must be be around noise of some kind even when I sleep. My hearing aids even generates white noise when needed. Sometimes I swear I would rather be deaf than have this noise in my head that there is absolutely not escape from. Protect your hearing people!
But how long will they last?
All parts are interchangeable with Stihl or husky parts. U can buy a lot of parts before u get to the price difference of the Yama vs stihl or husky.
I also love my 500i, it’s much more agressive than any other saw I own. I will be getting a 881 next week. I’m looking forward to trying it out.
I would like to
Your arms will stretch an additional 8 inches.😂
@@austindenotter19As I 661 user doing storm cleanup for days with a 36" bar I agree!
@@cpufrost I have a 661 with a 36 inch bar too. After using it one day I got a 462 with a 25" bar. I love the 661 and its hard to beat that power for big cuts, or cutting underwater. But its so heavy and so much power that it wears you out quickly. I can run the 462 all day long.
@@MysticalDragon73 Yeah it's heavy and I usually use it where that power is needed, i.e. felling larger trees and stump work. She pulls large bars great!
Ya gotta wonder though, will these new Chinese saw last anywhere near as long as a STIHL or Husky or Echo. And are the parts easy to get to repair them
I've got 4 Stihl saws and the only one that is reliable is the oldest one. I finally bought a Husqvarna because I've got a Husky weed trimmer that is very reliable. So far, other than leaking oil when it's sitting upright (I just turn it on the side when I'm done using it) it has worked every time. If I buy another one it will probably be an Echo.
If it's made in China, i don't want it. I'm not one of those guys that requires all my stuff to be made in USA, but I don't want stuff made in China if I can avoid it.
I'm 100% with you on that!
I only support the country's who laid it down for us!
you buy jap cars
Thank you for saying what I was thinking!
So you buy a shivy, ford, dodge, and replace 50 % of the parts ..... with what? look at Timken bearings they closed 10 plants the ones left assemble what's made in china ,
For all infrequent chainsaw users, by a battery powered chainsaw. Chainsaws don’t like to sit unused for long periods of time. Battery powered chainsaws are always ready to go and never suffer from carburetor problems.
You spent all that money on saws to find out you needed a good saw! Buy once, cry once.
I bought a Husqvarna once. Still crying.
You are parroting a statement made by other armchair enthusiasts, cutting firewood you need more than one saw. You have saws for trimming, saws for bucking, saws for large tree felling. You also need chain in rolls and tools to rivet them and also tools to sharpen them. Add it all up and you have a small fortune!
@@biggysground Yes, I am parroting the statement because it applies here. I just said he spent all that money to find out he needs a good saw, not one saw. Buy as many saws/bars/chains as feasible but stay away from plastic crankcases and junk prosumer equipment if you want it to last in heavy use.
@@FarmBossSaws "Buy once, cry once" Applies to buying one time and not choosing different saws, please learn correct English when replying and type what you mean.
@@biggysground You can easily get by with one saw for cutting firewood and you don't need rolls of chain and riveting tools.
My concern is parts availability. Stihl, Husq, and Echo all have good OEM and 3rd party part support. what do you hear from Proyama???
Good question. I have learned the hard way not to use cheap Chinese or other replacement parts for anything Stihl.
I have the same one, the first thing that failed was the bolts to secure the blade, the second was the oil pump.... after about 1 day use
I love watching these comparisons but I've been using my Husqvarna 550xp Mark 2 for 3 seasons and cut about 40 cord with it and dozens of saw logs and absolutely love it. Been cutting for a good 55 years and owned a lot of saws. The other day doing Helene cleanup in NE Tennessee I was cutting a big cherry blow down at 14 feet from the base for our sawmill and it fetched up. So i grabbed the tree with the Cat excavator to free it only to watch the 14 ft stump replant itself and fling the saw a good 20 feet in the air.😮 It never skipped a beat. Gave it a well deserved kiss😂. Great saw.
Being a bit weird here. That proyama saw just sounds strange to me. Looking forward to how it holds up as you use it.
Novice Lumberjack released two videos on this same saw today, and it sounds excellent in his video. The muffler is very open & won't require a modification, which is rare today.
Stihl usually has a wider gauge than other saws. Big Stihls are usually 58 gauge or 63 gauge while other brand saws are mostly 50 gauge. You gave us the pitch on the saws; it was 3/8, but what is the gauge on the new saw? I looked it up. The chain on the Proyama saw is 3/8 pitch and 58 gauge, so the two saws are comparable.
The other 2 saws are .63
Great Video Brock! I am not at all surprised with the results.
The Proyama for clarification is a Zenoah Clone which I believe became Redmax and Husqvarna now owns them. In Japan, you can buy the brand new Redmax based on the same platform and they are quite pricey.
Parts are very plentiful due to the popularity of this saw around the world. There can be some variation in plastics and recoil starts but overall, not too bad to service of need be!
Redmax were somewhat popular with Jonsered guys, because they were similar to Jonsered saws (but made by Zenoah). Thus, when Husqvarna dropped Jonsered, Redmax sort of filled that void for a few years. I no longer see Redmax chainsaws offered on their website. They still carry other products, but chainsaws are gone. My local Jonsered dealer sold Redmax, but he's stuck selling Efco or something else now. I am not a brand loyalty type of guy, but I wish Jonsered & Dolmar were still being made. Dolmar was the oldest gas chainsaw company in the world. It was sad to see Makita kill that. Like the Novice Lumberjack, I like red chainsaws! LOL!
@@driftlesshunter9200 I’m a EFCO still around?
@@oakiewoodsman My neighbor just bought one last year from the same dealer I mentioned. Places like Northern Tool sell them, but they are not really a cheap option. 60+ cc Italian Efco is $700+. My neighbor likes his saw, but it was a smaller one that he shared with me. You will find chainsaws on Efco's website, but not Redmax's website.
@@driftlesshunter9200 I just assumed they weren’t around any longer. They sound as if they are comparably priced to Stihl and Husqvarnathen.
@@oakiewoodsman They offer two series (homeowners & professional somewhat). Everything is under 65 cc, however. Echo is probably a better value in my opinion.
The Proyama has a nice price point for a larger displacement saw. Only time will tell as to the longevity of the China made saw. It will probably hold up for awhile for the average homeowner that uses it on occasion. For every day all day use, better stick with proven saws like Stihl & Husqvarna. This Proyama was pretty impressive in this short test and for what I do around the property may be a great saw to have on hand. Thanks for comparison video Brock!! Keep up the great work! I look forward to your videos daily 🤑
He said it was made in Japan
I believe he said that they were based on a Japanese design. Proyama chainsaws are made in China.
They might have sent you a very good unit since they knew you were going to review. It’s better to buy yourself and ask for the money reimbursement. There is no way to know if they gave you a typical one unless you buy another without them knowing
That’s a really dark thought process. Logistically how would they even accomplish that if they wanted to?
It’s a Chinese company and they distributors through Amazon. There are thousand of them at facilities across the country.
I had it within two days of telling them I wanted it.
@@RockhillfarmYT thanks for clarifying. Sounds unlikely that they sent you an enhanced unit for review.
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Have used sthil for 25 years.....only 1 ms200 saw was a lemon. Older 036 still running...think was an 80's saw...blew up a 361 and replaced with a 460...got a deal on it for 600 bucks. Biggest saw is a 660 with a 36in bar think i bought it in 02 or 04.... Want to try the ms500i but cant afford it now
I have a 20+ Year Old Stihl that's a beast and never been in the shop! How long will the cheap saw last? ( Plus I can get replacement parts if ever needed.)
Of course you can get a cheaper saw/brand that cuts as fast as the pro saws/expensive brands but will it last as long ? Stihl in my experience are extremly durable when basic maintenance is applied.
Despite what this guy is telling you, never forget that you get what you pay for. Let's see a follow up video in 2 or 3 years.
Depends on you usage
I will definitely have the long term follow up…
I bought a Walmart brand 16 inch chainsaw 4 years ago for $140 and it starts and runs like new. I cleared dozens and dozens of trees with it. I only use pre-mixed 50-1 fuel. I have not replaced the fuel filter or spark plug. I just replaced the chain because I cut a rock in two.
Every 2 cycle needs a little warm up
Firstly I live in Australia, cut a heap of firewood a few times a year, do lots of pruning (apparently our wood is some of the hardest on earth). For comparison- I have a Stihl MS230c, I also have a Chinese made Bushranger (Australian Company) and even though the Stihl has a slightly smaller engine it out performs the Chinese Saw with ease. If also found that the Chinese Saw's chain tensioner is of poor quality and the chain comes loose and sometimes get thrown after several cuts. The Stihl goes all day without hassle.
The next saw you should buy is a Farmertec. They have came a long way. They are Chinese and have some quirks but probably the best in the Chinese chainsaw market
You’re cutting red oak? I would like to see how it does on smaller stuff with a shorter bar and cutting through pine or fir 🌲the only thing I can think of is if the engine croaks it’s cheaper to toss it out then fix it unless it’s a $50 repair.
Red oak that has been underwater for 20 years, now dried out and HARD. Have one down that is 11 ft in diameter. Also Osage Orange (hedge) that is dried out is very hard. My neighbor sees me cutting through it with my Stihl 251 (and 310 I've had since they came out) and can't believe what he is seeing. I'm 80 now and have been cutting and burning wood in a furnace for 60 years, have had many saws. Most will work just fine if they are maintained and not abused or damaged in some way.
Just bought a Proyama last week. Wow. So far, it's a beast and cutting through my thick trees like nothing.
15 years ago I bought a lightly used 16" Homelite saw, about 30 ccs, for home use on trees around the yard, some up to 3 feet in diameter. Paid 40 bucks, nice square plastic case included. The case holds the saw, files, even 2-stroke oil and a quart of bar oil! Used it a lot, and it always starts, and even idles well. One season it kept dying one at idle, but that must've been crap gas, because it runs and idles well, now.
Then, in 2022, I saw another one in Craigslist for $50, case included. I bought it, but had to replace the priming bulb and the chain, and straighten the bent chain adjustment screw, because the prev. owner must have not known the bar had to be loose to adjust the chain tension. Anyhoo, it works great, idles for me, and cuts great, too. The case was filthy, and I don't have the proper stowable dual-size socket-wrench/screwdriver, but another like it, so it stays in the case, not in the handy recess on the saw.
I now have more wood than I can burn, and am giving it to relatives or putting it out on the street when I buck something up.
Good times! 😊
I dont understand the people in the comments who say they only buy from sthil and nothing from China as if Sthil is an American brand. Its not it's German. Just because something is "assembled in America" doesn't make it a domestic brand. Most of the parts are globally sourced and just put together in America so they can slap an American flag on the box. Personally, I think we do need more products made solely in the US, but until I see an improvement in quality and price, I have no problems buying products made in China. And just to clarify, Im not slamming Sthil. I really like their products and I bought 2 chainsaws from them the other day because they are more reliable than other brands in my opinion but you definitely pay for it. If I can buy a comparable product from China for an 8th of the price I will.
I have a 200T,an 038 magnum 2 and an 066. They all run great and didn’t cost much to acquire or maintain. I’ve spent money on west coast saws mufflers for the 200 and the 066,that’s it😊
@imfree62 cool. I have a wall hanger McCullough 3-25 that I bought for 75$,it’s pretty neat.
I purchased the Proyama 20"/24" PCS68 saw. I can't find a chain that will fit it other than from Proyama . Oregon makes a chain that has the same specs as a Proyama 20" bar which is: 3/8 pitch, .058 gauge and 68 links but it says it is for a 18" bar.
I vote echo 590.
I compared an echo to a stihl and a Husqvarna about a month ago in a video titled best chainsaw under $800
It held its own as the cheapest saw
A buddy bought an Echo 501 (50 cc pro) and it pulled even with my MS261. Good dealer support, less money and 5 yr. Warranty for non-commercial use….worth looking at.
Customers don't care how many seconds through a log. They just want results. All my echos show up to work and generate results.
I got the 54v 50cm but the batteries 15ah are 250 pounds each I bought 2 and saw 1000 pounds love it
Me personally I buy the older ones with running issues. I like to get em not running. When I do that, I save a ton of $$ and use the extra funds to get a nice rebuild set. That way I'm getting basically a 0 hour saw with better internals than a brand new one. I usually get them anywhere from free or 20 bucks up to around 100. I spend around 80 to 150 on good brand new internals. So for a damn good saw that feels like 0 hours I'm only about 200 in. Where I live is a big tree worker area and my reputation for rebuilds is getting to the point where my boss is getting just as many calls looking for his engine builder than he is for tree work. Ive been a mechanic for decades and this year switched to trees. It's been really fun. The tree community is really awesome.
Where is the Proyama 68cc? I’m only seeing the 62cc on the link
its sold out ！i contact the seller next pcs68 will arrive warehouse 16th may so just wait some days.but 62cc with 22/18inch bar perfect too i already have it
@@toolsreview7159 awesome
the 500i is a beast. I got to try a demo one. Ive got a 462 that I LOVE but the 500I beats it out. now I want a 500i too
Great video and very informative. I am new to chainsaws and looking for a larger saw to tackle my projects here in the Pacific Northwest but money is an issue. You’ve helped me immensely! I am very impressed with your Proyama
Don't buy a cheap saw! They work..and they can be fixed inexpensively, but the hassle of having to constantly adjust and fix them in the field, and the time you waste with stupid little things going wrong virtually every time you use them just isn't worth it. I bought an Echo Timberwolf asfter my fiasco with a cheap chinese saw...and I can just take it out use it with no constant hassles. You get what you pay for.
wait until you have to get parts for it ?..lol. huskie sucks ( just returned a brand new saw the very next day )..sthil is nothing like it was moons ago..well..unless you fork out a crap load of money and buy a pro version ?..but how many home owners can afford one of those ?. i caught where at the start of this video, he said he did not order or pay for this saw ?, then later into the video..he CLEARLY SAID..'' i ordered this saw ''..hmm..sooo..which is it ??..lol. i had one of the best brand name saws i have ever used..and it was a mac 3514, paid $ 99.99 , came with a case too !. and it finally gave up the ghost. it is a damn shame they went out of bizz, or i'd buy another one right now !. sthil is junk too..unless you buy a pro saw ?. everything made today is made in china..our nation has sold us out to china...and were too stupid too see it !.
As soon as you pulled that Japanese saw out of the box the power head really reminded me of the Husqvarna Rancher series
Good day Rockhill Farm, can you share how you feel about the Chinese saw today? Is it still something you use regularly?
So far so good. I still use it
Your chainsaw collection is AWESOME and you should be PROUD of it. $5,000 spent on a business/hobby is NOTHING. IMO The high-end saws will: 1) last a lot longer with fewer problems 2) be a joy to use 3) re-sell for half or more of their original cost. The cheap saw will most likely: 1) last about a year 2) not feel as nice to use 3) be worthless for resale right away.
I enjoyed the video. Thanks for doing the comparison. Two quick questions:
- Did you tune the carb on the Proyama prior to your comparison (I'm assuming you have previously tuned the 391)?
- Any mods on the 391?
By now, someone has probably mentioned that you should hold the bar up when adjusting the chain.
I run a ms362. It’s on the smaller end of the pro line and rips a 20 inch bar really good.
Looking forward to review after the long term use. Let us be honest, i doubt any pro would even look at a 250D Chinese Zenoah Clone. Interesting to see the followup.👍
20 year old me would have taken this advice. 40 year old me buys tools with dealer support, especially small engine equipment.
Brock that was a great comparisons and surprising. Thank ypu for putting that together
Mike, this saw is an excellent platform. I have owned one before.
@oakiewoodsman Mr Joe, for that price I may need to also
I may need to get and try that top handle proyama you got.
I've been running this pinkway for a few tanks of gas today and something still seems a little off with it. Not sure yet.
@@TheRustyGarageandHomestead you will just need to just run mine buddy
Yes sir i would love to give it a go@oakiewoodsman
@@TheRustyGarageandHomestead I’m am planning on using it this weekend.
If you want a fast saw and save money buy a good pro grade saw and have it ported and the muffler piped. It will cut just as fast as or faster than the 500i.
It’s a good option. I’ve done some comparison videos with ported chainsaws.
It makes a huge difference. You also have to find someone and send them your saw and there’s probably a long wait time. From what I’ve been told it’s minimum $500 on a saw like mine.
Some of the businesses that do, it won’t even work on a used saw. They will only port a new one.
So prograde saw that is big enough to do what you’re saying you’re gonna have to spend at least $1000 on the saw and 500 to have it modified so pretty close to the same price .
At that point you have an expensive saw without a warranty
@@RockhillfarmYT there are many people that will port used saws and it's not 500 to have it done. For instance if you look up Dyno Joe Mods here on TH-cam has a web page that shows what he charges ($450) for porting, plus shipping (around $25-$35), and buying a used 70cc saw (just say you buy one for $300) that's a lot lighter then you 500i. You're looking at $800 for a saw that will out cut your 500i and cut like a 90cc saw for way less. Or don't do a port job and just spend around $100-$150 on a muffler mod or a piped muffler and have it run just the same as your 500i. Which you would be spending $400-$450 (half of what you sent on your 500i. Still lighter, same power, and cheaper by half or more.
@chadrogers4635 i’ve been wanting to do it so I will look up the channels you’re talking about.
Thanks
@@chadrogers4635you are not buying a prograde 70cc saw in our area for these numbers. You are right, some porters will port a well used saw. Some will not n
So it's been well over 90 days...how did the extended test go? Inquiring minds want to know!
I’m still using it. No problem.
My dad gave me his old McCulloch pro mac 610. It's a few years older than me and wasn't run in decades. Put some fresh gas in it, added some starter fluid and it kicked right over. Added seafoam to the next tank and it's been running great.
Its a little heavy but a great saw. Run it out of gas before you store it and it'll probably run forever. Can't beat free. Company folded years ago but still a lot of them out there.
A lot of the old-time guys love those
@imfree62 I've found it can be pretty sensitive to oil:fuel ratio. 30:1 to 40:1 seems to be sweet spot. Stihls seem to run better with 50:1
Looks like a bark box on your 500i.
I run a 661 with an Egan straight shot. Love the sound and the saw can breathe.
Your 391 needs one!
The Proyama sounds much healthier, its stock muffler is definitely more open.
Dang, Brock! It's been a minute since I caught a video. Looking good dude! You look a mite bit younger, man! Good for you. Keep it up!
All saws need to warm up if not the piston gets hot and gets bigger before the head and hits the walls
What about parts are they available? The 92cc G660 Holzfforma is a clone of the MS660 066
Lots of saws in the background. Just wondering, do you winter store any of them and if so how do you prepare them ?
The manufacturer sent you the saw, and you posted a link to the saw. I really don't care about the test, but this was a quid pro quo situation at the least.
You mean exactly what I said in the video? That’s why I announce it in the video. It’s not like I’m trying to hide it.
@@RockhillfarmYT Would you have posted a link if the saw had performed poorly? You became their salesman. You then ended up with a saw and $ from your video. On a different topic, you should compare fuel consumption.
@@scottnugent4791 of course I would’ve posted it if it performed poorly.
I didn’t even endorse the saw in the video. I just said the pros in the cons.
I Rick review equipment for a living. A lot of my videos show products that were sent to me. All I can do is announce out loud that it was sent to me so that the viewer has a full understanding of what they are watching.
Husqvarna farm boss $400.
Husqvarna 365e
special $650
Eco 300 series top trigger climbing saw, $386
eco up lift saw $467
Wild thing, 16in for small limbs, $279
Wow, a Proyama..but can it endure over time?
I run these cheap saws cutting lots of firewood. And the answer is no they don't hold up. But I still use them because they are cheap to replace and honestly I've learned a lot repairing them. I felt much better about screwing up a cheap saw trying to fix it rather then screwing up an expensive saw trying to fix it.
Of my 4 main cutting saws. I paid 85 dollars overhaul, and of those 4 saws one is a cheap but runs strong newer 4214 craftsman that I got practically brand new that some put a 20 inch bar and chain on. Then traded it in to a second hand store. I bought it, ran it with the 20 inch. It handled it fairly well but put a 14 inch bar and chain back on to let it work properly. My other 3 are a homelite 360 (free be i fixed up that the guy didn't want). That saw needs new crank seals or the carburetor bit the big one. My other is a stihl 041 farm boss. (Guy dropped by my former place of work, a repair shop and asked if i wanted it so i took it in. Cleaned the carburetor and put a new pulse line on it, runs great). And my last is my dads old MS290 Farm Boss. Which that is a nice screamer that runs like a champ.
And i will say, my favorite brand is stihl. When you can easily pick up a 15+ year old saw of theres. And with a little maintainance, have it become a dependable worker. Then you have a winner.
The 290 is the best homeowner saw ever made, IMO, I recently bought the new 400 mtronic and it a screamer, but the 290 has cut well over 100 cords over the years and runs just as strong as when new. I have run every crap oil in my gas known to man, even engine oil. I fanally had to put a new bar on it last year, Jerry rig the handle and the chain break broke off a couple years back but, only changed the spark plug once. I go through 1 chain a year and cut 10-12 cords a year. My 290 will still be running when I'm dead.
My main concern with Ch1neese knockoff anything is safety! Do the chain, brake, and other components pass the minimum safety requirements???
I have a 62cc Giantz with a 20 inch bar and it goes hard, including cutting through dried and very hard 13-14 is inch round yellowbox. The only problem with them is you need the odd shaped screwdriver for the carby.
Is there a follow up video? Do you still like the proyama?
Thanks for posting this video. I look forward to seeing the results of your 90-day test.
I'm concerned about the Reviews on Amazon for this Proyama chainsaw. 16% 1-star reviews are creating quite a fish hook in the ratings. Some highlights of the 1-star reviews indicate possible quality control issues. They talk about things not fitting together properly, chain won't stay tight, chain won't stay on the bar, choke not connected to anything, never could get it to start, it runs for a few minutes then stops, and it ran for a job or two but won't start any more.
My only concern is that the Proyama folks may have given extra attention to quality control of the chainsaw they sent you. That's why I always prefer reviews where the reviewer buys items themselves (online or at a retail outlet), because that prevents the manufacturer from sending a "pick of the litter" item.
i got a 92cc 36 inch neotec china saw for 495.00 to my door its powerfull and fast. so far i cut 40 full coards of wood at 1/3 cost of a new stihl.
Great video. I was originally looking for a rancher 460. Before I came across these. I already have a husqvarna 45 special for a small saw but want something bigger. I only cut down a few trees a year and cut some firewood from time to time. What would you recommend?
Are you able to adjust the low idle and high idle as you can on many name brands?