I bought a DMC2 Dragon 6K as well and wow!!! I got the whole kit as well and you aren’t going to beat this image with any super 35 sensor. Great video!!!
I am currently shooting my second feature "As Night Falls" on this camera, and I have to say it absolutely stunning. If you make sure you do your black shading and expose the sensor right, you can produce some beautiful images in low light. The granular feel coupled with how this sensor renders colours is simply stunning. Yes its an old camera but that image.... OHHHHH THAT SWEET IMAGE :). Great video mate
@@WhiteJadeProductions - Thank you mate. Its great when I see fellow filmmakers/directors work with this camera. I believe it was one of REDs best sensors they have ever produced 🙏. Keep up the great work man
Great video, I loved your advice regarding rental house purchasing. This camera has such an epic look that still hits hard to this day! What follow focus is in that kit it looks awesome!
Hell yeah! Got myself a dsmc2 dragon X for 4500 last march and could not be more happy! There is some quality life improvement over epic like ipp2 monitoring, prores recording ( good if you have to deliver that) and some noise improvement. Have worked with both fx6 fx3 and Black Magic Pocket before and mine gets even close to the quality and look of dragon.
I share your passion for the dragon sensor. Fx3 / Sony system can yield great image and have a lot of function (for events I wouldn’t trust another) but for actual cinematography work/ narrative, I’ll pick the dragon sensor. I’d go dsmc2 if the cash is there but couldn’t agree more about how special this camera is
@ low hour kits are floating around for 5k ish. I know this because I have to constantly remind myself I need to spend money on projects right now 😔 soon though. With some Pavo anamorphics it’s an ideal look
I switched my Dragon 6K X to a Komodo 6K after six years of it being my workhorse, and I don’t regret it. The main reason for the switch was the weight and size, but I definitely miss my Dragon sensor image and unique look. I was just starting to travel and it did more sense to me to a more friendly travel size
What is the difference between the two in the look? I tried downloading side by side tests and they match almost to 99% except Dragon has a bit more of a green tint especially in mids and shadows but that's about it, the rest is identical
@birthright94 depending on your downloaded test it may not look super different. most side by side tests aren’t very useful tbh. the main difference is dynamic range the dragon has a little more than 16 stops and i believe the komodo is closer to 14.5 but i’m not super sure tbh. the general sensors look and noise pattern is the other main difference. the dragon looks a bit more like film and had a very pleasing noise pattern (again like film grain) the sensor is also a bit bigger. the komodo does however handle better in low light. both overall are great and you can’t go wrong!! just depends what you prefer
@ They are pretty useful tbh if done in different scenarios so you can see how sensor handle them differntly. But this was just 1 outdoor test and in that test I didn't see any difference except dragon had slightly less DR in bright highlights (which was surprsing to me because everyone keep saying that dragon has more DR)
Funny how you talk about two cameras (fx3, a7sIII) having different dynamic range while in reality the both use the same sensor and processing and score identically to each other along with the smaller ZV-E1. Also RED dynamic range is somewhat inflated by the built in trickery of highlight recovery. It’s good to have but honestly not being able to turn it off is a bit shit.
yes they both have the same processor however they do score differently in DR tests 🤷♂️. sony claimed the FX3 has better DR anyways so it makes sense. also REDs extended HL recovery (HDRX) is able to be toggled on or off and adjustable from 2-6 values. when off the DR is about 16 stops.
Thanks for the review. Tell me, have you looked at the ARRI CLASSIC camera with a resolution of 2k prores? The price of both cameras is approximately the same.
i def looked at getting one but they’re a bit bulky for me and in working condition with a kit they run from 4-5k from what i’ve seen. i personally needed 4k minimum for a lot of my commercial jobs however it’s still a great camera!
Well said! Great video only thing I'd say is ive had a mag stop shoeing up on my computer once (not reading, not working) but other than that, all good
i’ve heard of that happening to other people too but i just run first aid software to make sure no bits flip and i make sure the reader doesn’t get dusty! that has happened to me with a basic ssd
www.ebay.com/itm/116443087211?_skw=red+dragon+6k&itmmeta=01JJC7MFJGQ1EE8Y64JFCXE15H&hash=item1b1c8c816b:g:g~4AAOSwVHJlRTF1&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKnkXIi0alYqJh05xbcs%2FdQvKG3D2xqsHGtlazbm2PUt1G7rFFO7t8pX7a0KAaI9rSdeuBDZhfdgF%2BWtjmY0%2FBXdxkOi9Qr%2FCp8HH7kQenqBtzqCFd3o9X%2BsakObb7IVLWblLVWQP3Gk0OPN9%2F7G2o8X9n6y2GN54DHnojr6Xytjobuk%2F7Ff6yCmbyOWbXf4U7gom3GaRCW9dXLYaM%2FGQxu7o2kDl%2BC60FAj7uZRk6aduIaRvjvMnu3oTfk9%2BM37LGI%2FS07ykxSqj8c1byDJQW61CePwDPPYT6LDjGIOMxJQ3g%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7L50YeTZQ this one right here is an epic M which is basically the same thing but the M version is technically better build quality.
i use BMD a lot and there’s def no arguing it’s an easy workflow! R3D RAW is better for coloring since it’s not debayered in camera… but BRAW is dummy easy to process for sure! just depends what’s more important to you!!
@WhiteJadeProductions haha true or they are owned by the bigger studio's, the mics are the lenses of the studio world, you get the good stuff and you hold onto them, a stereo pair of halfway decent u87 classics will set you back 12-15,000
I agree with you, but with the Sony Monitor and Control app the FX3/FX30 are much more like cinema cameras. I'm very unhappy with the framerate options on Sony. I think that is the biggest problem. Also the overheating with the ZV-E1 when used with external monitor and internal recording sucks bad, but the Tilta Cooling System is okay, you can just stick it on without the fan to stop it from overheating and turn the fan on between takes.
@@WhiteJadeProductions To prevent overheating with ZV-E1 you must turn off internal recording in clean HDMI mode. The problem is the monitor runs at 60hz and is not a variable refresh rate monitor and it runs at 60hz, which overheats the camera .With the fan off, that Tilta cooling system dissipates enough heat to not overheat the camera. The cooling system isn't too bad if you use the touchscreen. I'll take the manual fan control to get a baby FX3 with 10-bit raw external recording the internal LUTs.
Does it take third party media or is it part of the older RED generation that rely on aging unsupported proprietary media to work? I really like it but having to deal with Red mags would probably be a deal-breaker
yeah depending on the media module you will likely be using the mini mags. they’re highly reliable tho so i think it’s worth it if you buy a kit with a couple of em
Man, since I saw one of your videos about buying a used Red Dragon for $2500. I think ima do just that over the others. For now ima enjoy my Lumix S5IIX.
mmmm not quite. the name scarlet, or dragon refers to the sensor itself however some cameras have had their original sensor replaced. So you might see a scarlet camera with a dragon sensor. There are some other differences, but you can research each individual camera and figure out which one is best for you!
Gee dude straight to the personal insults? 15 stops of DR is 15 stops no matter how much you berate somebody for being “wack” and “pretentious”… You love your fx3s some people love their dragons bro get with it.
the dragon shot 200x more movies as an A cam than the fx3 but no worries, everyone can be wrong time to time . Maybe come back when the fx3 shoots internal uncompressed RAW and has 15 stops of DR.
I bought a DMC2 Dragon 6K as well and wow!!! I got the whole kit as well and you aren’t going to beat this image with any super 35 sensor. Great video!!!
thanks fam!!
We love the Dragon, and have two!
Will be selling one of the Dragon kits soon, but we’ll hold on to the other for some time.
I am currently shooting my second feature "As Night Falls" on this camera, and I have to say it absolutely stunning. If you make sure you do your black shading and expose the sensor right, you can produce some beautiful images in low light. The granular feel coupled with how this sensor renders colours is simply stunning. Yes its an old camera but that image.... OHHHHH THAT SWEET IMAGE :). Great video mate
thanks fam! so so true! good luck with the feature!!!
@@WhiteJadeProductions - Thank you mate. Its great when I see fellow filmmakers/directors work with this camera. I believe it was one of REDs best sensors they have ever produced 🙏. Keep up the great work man
I’ve been debating with myself on pulling the trigger on a RED Raven 4.5k . DSMC2 have the most compression control & roll off I’ve ever seen.
it’s a great camera!
Great video, I loved your advice regarding rental house purchasing. This camera has such an epic look that still hits hard to this day! What follow focus is in that kit it looks awesome!
thanks! i just use the Neewer follow focus for now. maybe i’ll get a bright tangerine one day tho ahaha
Hell yeah! Got myself a dsmc2 dragon X for 4500 last march and could not be more happy! There is some quality life improvement over epic like ipp2 monitoring, prores recording ( good if you have to deliver that) and some noise improvement.
Have worked with both fx6 fx3 and Black Magic Pocket before and mine gets even close to the quality and look of dragon.
it’s goated for sure!!
I share your passion for the dragon sensor. Fx3 /
Sony system can yield great image and have a lot of function (for events I wouldn’t trust another) but for actual cinematography work/ narrative, I’ll pick the dragon sensor. I’d go dsmc2 if the cash is there but couldn’t agree more about how special this camera is
sony is goated in a lot of shooting scenarios for sure!!! yeah the DSMC2 bodies are def better but also like 6-10k if you can find em
@ low hour kits are floating around for 5k ish. I know this because I have to constantly remind myself I need to spend money on projects right now 😔 soon though. With some Pavo anamorphics it’s an ideal look
@redrosevisuals ohhh that’s not bad! good combo!
I switched my Dragon 6K X to a Komodo 6K after six years of it being my workhorse, and I don’t regret it. The main reason for the switch was the weight and size, but I definitely miss my Dragon sensor image and unique look. I was just starting to travel and it did more sense to me to a more friendly travel size
for travel that totally makes sense! the dragon do be special tho!
What is the difference between the two in the look? I tried downloading side by side tests and they match almost to 99% except Dragon has a bit more of a green tint especially in mids and shadows but that's about it, the rest is identical
@birthright94 depending on your downloaded test it may not look super different. most side by side tests aren’t very useful tbh. the main difference is dynamic range the dragon has a little more than 16 stops and i believe the komodo is closer to 14.5 but i’m not super sure tbh. the general sensors look and noise pattern is the other main difference. the dragon looks a bit more like film and had a very pleasing noise pattern (again like film grain) the sensor is also a bit bigger. the komodo does however handle better in low light. both overall are great and you can’t go wrong!! just depends what you prefer
@ They are pretty useful tbh if done in different scenarios so you can see how sensor handle them differntly. But this was just 1 outdoor test and in that test I didn't see any difference except dragon had slightly less DR in bright highlights (which was surprsing to me because everyone keep saying that dragon has more DR)
Funny how you talk about two cameras (fx3, a7sIII) having different dynamic range while in reality the both use the same sensor and processing and score identically to each other along with the smaller ZV-E1. Also RED dynamic range is somewhat inflated by the built in trickery of highlight recovery. It’s good to have but honestly not being able to turn it off is a bit shit.
yes they both have the same processor however they do score differently in DR tests 🤷♂️. sony claimed the FX3 has better DR anyways so it makes sense. also REDs extended HL recovery (HDRX) is able to be toggled on or off and adjustable from 2-6 values. when off the DR is about 16 stops.
Emerald City, Bruhbruh!!! You have a new subscribe. Now, let's DO THIS!!!
thanks fam!!!
The Epic has a dope specs !! i love mine
it’s great!!
Thanks for the review. Tell me, have you looked at the ARRI CLASSIC camera with a resolution of 2k prores? The price of both cameras is approximately the same.
i def looked at getting one but they’re a bit bulky for me and in working condition with a kit they run from 4-5k from what i’ve seen. i personally needed 4k minimum for a lot of my commercial jobs however it’s still a great camera!
Well said! Great video only thing I'd say is ive had a mag stop shoeing up on my computer once (not reading, not working) but other than that, all good
i’ve heard of that happening to other people too but i just run first aid software to make sure no bits flip and i make sure the reader doesn’t get dusty! that has happened to me with a basic ssd
Man love your mindset on cameras and filmmaking👍 thx for making this kind of videos🫡😉
ofc fam 🫡
You got me sold.... except that there's no RED Epic-X Dragon 6k on eBay at this price... haha...
www.ebay.com/itm/116443087211?_skw=red+dragon+6k&itmmeta=01JJC7MFJGQ1EE8Y64JFCXE15H&hash=item1b1c8c816b:g:g~4AAOSwVHJlRTF1&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKnkXIi0alYqJh05xbcs%2FdQvKG3D2xqsHGtlazbm2PUt1G7rFFO7t8pX7a0KAaI9rSdeuBDZhfdgF%2BWtjmY0%2FBXdxkOi9Qr%2FCp8HH7kQenqBtzqCFd3o9X%2BsakObb7IVLWblLVWQP3Gk0OPN9%2F7G2o8X9n6y2GN54DHnojr6Xytjobuk%2F7Ff6yCmbyOWbXf4U7gom3GaRCW9dXLYaM%2FGQxu7o2kDl%2BC60FAj7uZRk6aduIaRvjvMnu3oTfk9%2BM37LGI%2FS07ykxSqj8c1byDJQW61CePwDPPYT6LDjGIOMxJQ3g%3D%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7L50YeTZQ
this one right here is an epic M which is basically the same thing but the M version is technically better build quality.
@ thanks! Subscribed to your channel!
@DynamicLearning4u appreciate it!!
I wish I had that camera set up. 😍
ahaha thanks man!
So i looked up this camera google is showing two versions. Is this the DSMC2 ?
naw the dsmc 2 is over twice the cost. the dragon x is a good move if you get DSMC 1
Okay gotcha! Thank you
Just be warned, DSMC 1 bodies are much harder to find accessories for than DSMC 2.
@@thedopjan Very true, however accessories are more likely to come with DSMC 1 kits for a fraction of the price. (mostly comes down to budget)
Image on the RedDragon is beautiful but BlackMagics workflow is seamless compared to a lot of what’s on the market and what’s been on the market.
i use BMD a lot and there’s def no arguing it’s an easy workflow! R3D RAW is better for coloring since it’s not debayered in camera… but BRAW is dummy easy to process for sure! just depends what’s more important to you!!
Those half century old microphones are also very coveteted and are worrh more than your average musician can afford, jif an FYI
average musician maybe ahaha. the people i know who own em aren’t exactly average tho lol
@WhiteJadeProductions haha true or they are owned by the bigger studio's, the mics are the lenses of the studio world, you get the good stuff and you hold onto them, a stereo pair of halfway decent u87 classics will set you back 12-15,000
@ugpfpv361 owned for the most part.
I agree with you, but with the Sony Monitor and Control app the FX3/FX30 are much more like cinema cameras. I'm very unhappy with the framerate options on Sony. I think that is the biggest problem. Also the overheating with the ZV-E1 when used with external monitor and internal recording sucks bad, but the Tilta Cooling System is okay, you can just stick it on without the fan to stop it from overheating and turn the fan on between takes.
the app is okay at best tbh. on any set wireless sdi is a must have anyways. overheating do be an issue
@@WhiteJadeProductions To prevent overheating with ZV-E1 you must turn off internal recording in clean HDMI mode. The problem is the monitor runs at 60hz and is not a variable refresh rate monitor and it runs at 60hz, which overheats the camera .With the fan off, that Tilta cooling system dissipates enough heat to not overheat the camera. The cooling system isn't too bad if you use the touchscreen. I'll take the manual fan control to get a baby FX3 with 10-bit raw external recording the internal LUTs.
Does it take third party media or is it part of the older RED generation that rely on aging unsupported proprietary media to work? I really like it but having to deal with Red mags would probably be a deal-breaker
yeah depending on the media module you will likely be using the mini mags. they’re highly reliable tho so i think it’s worth it if you buy a kit with a couple of em
Bro your argument for frame rates with the Blackmagic as you said you don’t use 120 and only need 92fps…
not really what i said. i just don’t use 120 that often… i like 82 fps without cropping tho. if i need to crop the red absolutely dominates tho
I have trouble choosing between a komodo/komoco-x vs ursa mini pro 12k olpf😅 please suggest
i mean that very much depends on what you need… the komodo x wpupd be my choice but do your research and see what’s best!!
@@WhiteJadeProductions thanks
Man, since I saw one of your videos about buying a used Red Dragon for $2500. I think ima do just that over the others. For now ima enjoy my Lumix S5IIX.
the s5iix is amazing for sure!!
Wow man, thanks so much for this video.
No problem, glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid! What about Mysterium-X 5K?
not my favorite of the red sensors however it’s still great!
By the way, can you tell me Dragon X Scarlet 5k, Dragon X Scarlet 6k - are these all the same cameras as Epic Dragon X 6k?
mmmm not quite. the name scarlet, or dragon refers to the sensor itself however some cameras have had their original sensor replaced. So you might see a scarlet camera with a dragon sensor. There are some other differences, but you can research each individual camera and figure out which one is best for you!
By any chance, would you have a link where I can find one like that for $2500?
just check around ebay! look for rental houses selling them!
@WhiteJadeProductions OK will do. Thank you sir. Hope you have a great week. 🙏
probably not but it looks cool 😂
can’t compete with that 16+ stops of DR tho 👀
ALL THIS FOR 2500????????????????
if you look hard and are patient yup!!
No the Arri is
arri is great but unfortunately a classic is gonna set ya back 4k minimum and you may have to buy the high speed or pro res license
i don’t even have words to describe how wack and pretentious you are however i don’t hate the content of the vid
ahahah it def sounds that way but i’m just staying true stuff almost every working DP knows. it’s a different world
Gee dude straight to the personal insults?
15 stops of DR is 15 stops no matter how much you berate somebody for being “wack” and “pretentious”…
You love your fx3s some people love their dragons bro get with it.
..it's (real) garbage but if you can't afford FX3... oh well
yikes straight to $$$ cause there ain’t no way an FX 3 is a cinema camera lol
the dragon shot 200x more movies as an A cam than the fx3 but no worries, everyone can be wrong time to time . Maybe come back when the fx3 shoots internal uncompressed RAW and has 15 stops of DR.
Too funny... Oh wait he's serious
RED or ARRI rest is just youtube garbage
FX3 doesn't even have SDI, the bare minimum on a movie set