PROCESSED: Here's Why "THE PROCESS" Failed! Stunted Growth
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- Has the process been processed and what’s to be made of it? It’s closing fast on a decade of Philadelphia, along with NBA fans in general trusting those words in hopes at some point they wouldn’t have to use them any longer. Well maybe now they don’t. But not for the reasons they expected. What that was is the team by now would be in championship contending position, with pillars in place to carry the organization into the foreseeable future. We all saw their pillars completely cave in with Embiid understandably going down or limping through injury in the 2021 playoffs, and Ben Simmons losing all his super powers on the floor and even more mentally. So much so that he refused to even shoot the ball even for an uncontested, 100% success graded layup to tie the game late in a game 7 to take them to the conference finals. But it get deeper. Games before that, Ben Simmons began to get and hear questions not only about his game, but his longterm stay on the team and whether or not he was even good enough to win a championship at point guard. The process is going to need all the trust it can get right now, because it’s hard to see what’s going on and believe this is just yet another step in said process. One for sure won’t have the pillar that is their former #1 pick Ben Simmons. Here’s what went wrong and why the process has been processed and failed. Stunted Growth.
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Almost 10 years in, is it fair to call 'The Process' a failure? Especially with Ben Simmons all but out the door.
I think the 76ers cheated to get the Simmons and the fultz pick by not playing embiid and Simmons in their rookie years
@@ogmusik2549 Interesting
JC give me your address so I can send you a beautiful fruit basket. Finally someone has put Joel Embiid and Doc Rivers in their place!
I am so happy that someone has called the lack of leadership of Embiid.
Remember Doc Rivers is the same coach that threw Chris Paul under the bus. He said that when CP3 left the Clips that it freed the ball up.
If Simmons, AD, and Harden are horrible ppl for demanding trades then so are Toronto for trading Derozan who was loyal to them, and Hou, Det, and CLE for sitting a healthy Wall, Griffin, and Drummond while searching trades that suit their needs. It goes both ways.
Difference is…unless you have a no trade clause, teams are free to do as they please for the betterment of the TEAM. Simmons and others signed a contract for a certain amount of years and are expected to honor it. He wasn’t forced to sign it.
Secondly, it sets a bad precedent for newcomers. Sign with the team that pays you the most and then demand a trade to a team of your choice while acting out until they do so. That’s bad business for the nba to have happen.
Blake Griffin wasn't playing tho. HE was on some bullshit. He doesn't even deserve to play in the league
@@jaquialwatts9551It's a player driven league, so none of what you say is relevant.
Iverson, Aaron Mckie, Theo Ratliff and George Lynch: Where are you when they need you the most?
If the sixers not giving them a job why bother? Iverson should’ve been had a position with the team. Hell even a statue
@@flygenyus2186 that part ✅💯
@@flygenyus2186
Good point. I really don’t know why they haven’t embraced one of their most successful eras. And it wasn’t even that long ago. Everybody’s alive and the fans would love it. Plus they all deserve it. It’s really too bad.
@@JD37 right. To me, i never understood why they hired Elton Brand. He wasn’t good of a player with them & him being a terrible gm doesn’t make it better
@@flygenyus2186
Agreed. It was a genuine mistake.
Ben Simmons grew up privileged and it shows. Kobe is one of the few players I've seen that grew up "well to do" that had the desire he did to grind to earn what he wanted.
Can't forget Steph Curry even though his championships don't mean much to me
@@youngskyler7568 Agreed. Steph didn't hit the genetic lottery with athleticism which I think made him have a chip on his shoulder to get better. He was overlooked by a lot of major college programs.
Unpackaged Vinyl tbh Kobe wasn’t THAT athletic for someone who was a 6’6 basketball player maybe that’s why he always wanted to get better too
@@versatillion15 what? You bugging
Blue Hendricks I’m comparing him to other 6’6 players not just random people. He jump high as Vince? Zach Lavine? Jaylen Brown? Derozan? That’s my point
I'm from Philly the fans have genuine hatred for Simmons right now we want him out of there
Either he adapts and improve or The Association will move on without him. His issues from the neck up and once he fixes that he'll bounce back.
No one is moving on for the next 4 years guaranteed!
@@MakingMovesMajor People just be talking and don’t understand the business of basketball. And 6’10’ PG’s don’t grow on trees.
@@adgee5401 in a shooting league a pg who is a literal non threat outside of 6 feet is not a priority I don’t care who it is
@@MakingMovesMajor For whatever reason, Ben Simmons' fines stopped at about $1.67 million. It could be Ben is successfully claiming mental illness, which means Philly loses the ability to fine him further.
With Simmons' salary remaining on the 76ers cap sheet on top of Philly having to pay him that money, Daryl Morey is losing this battle. In the beginning, holding off on a trade until Ben comes back to raise his trade value seemed like a good idea.
But now that it is clear that Simmons isn't going to do that, nor will Philly get any more money back, trading him for the best offer on the table seems smarter than it once did. Malcolm Brogdon is a proven PG who posted a double-double in his last two games.
The fact that the Pacers were willing to package Brogdon with Caris Lavert in exchange for Ben means that trade should be explored further, in light of Simmons' latest tactics. 💁🏻♂️🏀🤷
The battle against yourself is the most challenging, and there’s no guaranteeing he’ll solve them.
I’ve been anticipating your analysis on this situation. You were completely right in your Stunted vid earlier this year on Ben Simmons. Throughout the past 8 months I’ve watched that particular vid frequently because of how accurate your analysis has proven to be.
I think the 76ers biggest mistake was not trading Simmons for James Harden & not keeping Jimmy Butler the 76ers would've had a big 3 & they have no leadership in that locker room
True but Jimmy Butler wanted out of Philly as well too.
Nobody wants to be in philly
I too would want to leave a team that was trying to scapegoat me for losing in the playoffs
It's not scapegoating if he is one of the reasons why they lost. Maybe if he would put more effort into improving his game, this situation could've been prevented. I'm not saying that the team is innocent, but don't act like Simmons is a victim because he's not.
@@chrismathgenius No, the problem is that everyone is sh^tting on him but everyone else on the team gets a pass? It wasn’t just one man that faultered, it was the entire team that lacked the fortitude to make it to the championship, especially Embiid, yet His name and image is not dragged through the mud like Ben Simmons. It’s disingenuous to put all the blame on someone who is neither the leader nor the go-to guy on the team, and the media put the spotlight on him and the 76ers organization has done nothing but fall in line with casting stones. So yeah, if I were him I would request a trade.
The organization shitted on him at his lowest point in his professionalcareer, then tried to trade him the entire off season. And when the organization didn't get what THEY wanted in return they actually thought they were going to bring him back and everything was gonna be good lol? FOH. I'm with Ben on this one
Yup, considering that for 95% of his career the 76ers have coddled and babied Ben. They’ve finally started to hold him accountable and he chooses to whine and complain
i blame the organization a little bit for giving an undeserving guy a max extension, not forcing him to improve his game, and allowing him to think he can do whatever he wants - but ben can only blame himself. he clearly wanted to be famous more than he wanted to be great and regressed like crazy
@@enthusiastofcute wheres the proof of that
I really thought or "wanted" this duo to work. Not a hater for the hawks winning but that series should've went no more than 4-5 games. But definitely annoyed at how Ben is acting now BUT we don't know what's going on the inside. But the second Ben came into the league a jump shooting specialist should've been TOP PRIORITY
Plus Simmons hasn't gotten any better it's him at the end of the day he going find himself in the D League soon
It blew my mind how a team that basically at the time only needed help offensively went hard after doc rivers when D'antoni and others were available.
You taking D’antoni over Doc????
Dantoni doesn’t want any parts of a PG that can’t shoot anyways
@@versatillion15 For that particular team in that particular year I would. Their big issue that year was fitting Simons and Embiid offensively. I mentioned D'Antoni because he was still a head coach at the time but there was probably someone more fitting. I mean they didn't even consider other coaches they just went hard after Doc and signed him as soon as they could.
Every player in the league might think Ben Simmons is soft, but NO player in the league thinks he should sit in limbo for four years !! every single player in the league will tell you they think if Ben is asking for a trade they should work to get him traded.
I'm a Philly fan for life. I'm from VA.... Y should they cave into Ben? What Ben needs to do is man up stand ten toes down and play fucking basketball. So what Doc said what he said So Joel said what he said and what? He scared jump in the bushes with the rabbits then or get a pit bull but nobody with that you hurt my feelings shit and that's what it's about. He not use to a mf saying what they want to him. Oh well his problem. And he need to fire Rich Paul also. Doing this man a terrible disservice ....
I agree with most of your assessment. The new "stars" have been generally soft and can't just go out and ball. But to be honest this is nothing new. Lebron has been doing that passive aggressive stuff "leadership" online. Yes Doc is a trash coach who got his ONE championship. It'll be a wasted season.
All facts
The players aren’t soft now. They just aren’t loyal to a team anymore. More players see the league as a business, like how the owners and gm’s see it.
It’s called SUBURBAN BASKETBALL.. for all intents and purposes capitalism is continuing to eat away at the idea of being great for a trade of being really good, popular, and rich as fuck. The business knows and doesn’t care because their jobs is to capitalize off of young dumb players and gullible fans. Players see it and have a hard time fighting the temptation to wear Christian Dior sneaks drive corvettes in college as opposed to go to work and be great.
nailed it! one of the best SG episodes yet!
Butler saw this when he was there & tried to tell them & us but Sixers saw the potential in Ben & put all their chips on him & shipped Butler out. Wrong play.
Exactly. Crazy
Big mistake. Mentally, Ben is not there!
Butler hasn’t won since leaving either.
@@adgee5401 True but he did make it to Finals 2 seasons ago right after leaving PHI.
@@adgee5401 but he has been to a finals while the sizers have not
Damn you went in on this 1 lmaoooooo I loved it!
this could have been fixed if the sixers had fired Doc rivers immediately
Like they should've.
Docs always the fall back guy he puts all his faith in his stars. The least they could do is show up for him.
Agreed and ever should've been hired imo... He's overrated and some other things I won't get myself reported for saying lol
Stunt #3 should be Doc Rivers and Doryl Morey
Can anyone tell me why Morey is such a big deal anyway? (BTW it's Daryl not Doryl).
@@buzzerbeater3350 because he’s an analytics nerd
@@johndavis9321 'Preciate ya'!
The process failed cause Joel and Ben never was on the same page he’ll to the point they didn’t like each other. And they could have handled telling ben to improve his game privately instead of them throwing ben under the bus publicly.
About the Ben Simmons situation. I put most the blame on Ben and Joel different personalities. I can tell that Ben is a introverted guy and Joel is more of an extrovert. Joe being an extrovert threw Simmons under the bus, hoping Simmons took the criticism and used it to get better. The only problem is being an introvert Simmons took that as being disrespected and feeling unwanted by his costar and head coach.
That’s why embiid is a poor leader
@@c_span exactly, Joel is the heart and soul of Philly, but he isn’t the leader of that team. That team needs a true star or superstar to lead that team. And Doc being the coach, he failed to manage those different personality during that hawks series
I hate to tll you but you are WRONG! My best friend was security for 2 major Sixer players. Introvert??? Simmons?? Nah, My homey used to call me 3 or 4 in morning like, "Ya boy got a game tomorrow & got us out in the club". Joel is the quiet one that rarely went out. I could tell you all stories I've been told from first person perspective about Ben. After hearing those stories, not a thing Ben is doing is surprising to me.
Ex. Bubble playoffs... Ben "hurt" his knee but could come back and have minor surgery later... Ben didnt wanna play in the bubble. He chose surgery but not even sure if he ever got it...
@@dbradandthem2727 cap
@@PBMdanya you wish it was shorty....
Cool video. Keep up the good work #stuntedgrowth 👍🏿🏀
Great episode. I had to watch it 2wice back to back
Thank you. I'm glad someone finally acknowledged that Doc Rivers is overrated. Yeah he won a championship with a loaded roster in Boston, but he squandered sooo many opportunities with the clippers
Philly should’ve traded Ben last year for Harden. I never understood why they didn’t jump on that trade at that time… I would never let another team get stronger while I sat idle!
Well at least they’ve done it now lol
@@akeme25 Yes… lol
They blew it by letting Jimmy butler walk in free agency
Ben Simmons should’ve had his own “trust the process” to improve his shooting
Can you make a video about Tyler Ulis?
This is a good one.
:39 Eastern Conference Finals* Good video and much needed get some rest you usually don't have those types of slip-ups lol
His trade value like worth 10 cents on the dollar. Philly might as well keep him
Ben Simmons to the Spurs or Kings makes the most sense to me. Maybe a 3 team deal between the 3. Kings get Ben Simmons & a future pick. Spurs get De'aaron Fox, Harrison Barnes & Shake Milton. Sixers get Dejounte Murray, Buddy Hield, Marvin Bagley & Derrick White.
If you haven’t seen Ben Simmons’s documentary, “Ben Simmons: One and Done” on Showtime or anywhere it can be found, it PERFECTLY explains who Ben was, is and maybe will be for the rest of his NBA career. Maybe even his life.
Can we get one on Elton Brand, Corey Maggette?
Good break down
The most amazing thing I heard was Atlanta going to the western conference finals 😳🤯
Young man I'm always pleased for your Insight regarding basketball hip-hop and other things Touch of boxing talkin Adrien Broner you're constantly showing your versatility this is straight on point the process is over start number one Ben Simmons yeah it's all his fault as you say stunt number one he must be crazy to put Joel embiid with his strange ways Ben Simmons the introvert in my opinion together to be the cornerstones of a super team or a serious challenge for the finals year-in year-out they have flashes some moments but even that was Jimmy Butler and JJ Redick and others on that team Tobias is really a third score regularity they would act like he's a number two but with but a player's he contributes less
What's the name of the beat playing in the background, Stunted?
To me those lost leads show a lack of discipline. It’s the coach’s job to help keep the team ready even with leads.
Usually love your vids but you're WAY off base on the Joel part. He was asked a question about when he thought the turning point of the game was and he answered. Totally on Ben for being softer than baby shit and getting offended by it. Secondly as far as your take on Jo not being a leader.. hes most definitely developed into one the past year or so. He tried reaching out to Ben all summer. Tweeted his support and said he wanted to play with ben. Tried to fly out to cali and meet face to face with him but Ben was ducking him. As far as Jo's comments in the last week... sometimes a leader needs to keep it real and not say the same politically correct bs you expect but to say what really needs to be said.
Stunt number 4 getting rid of Jimmy Butler (the one true leader)
Wait, people thought there was actually a chance that this could work out???? LOL
Do a video on Kenneth Faried next. Much respects
Got alot of hate when I said in 2018 the process only led to 1.5 good players.
Love your points. No cleanwashing anyone. I think the Philly was babysitting these 2 kids, and didn't bring any locker room presence to kick their ass. Doc living out of his 1 year in Boston
Convincing 2.5 that he is a point guard is the ultimate con job
I don’t think it’s fair how much Blame ben Simmons gets a lot of players in todays league grew up privileged, they knew the type of player he was when he was drafted he’s never been a score first player up until this past season this wasn’t the narrative about Ben his game never changed to say he dosent work is disrespectful he wouldn’t be where he is today if he didn’t put work in the sixers failed they had a bunch of talent and failed to develop it now they’re scapegoating Ben after trying to trade him over the last TWO seasons
Doc messed up too. A coach should never say that about a player.
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I certainly have my criticisms of Ben, but it's obvious that he's been suffering mightily from a lack of confidence in post season play, and it doesn't help when your home crowd literally boos you and hates your guts ontop of the fact that people within the organization and his own team have been shitting on him. When you are lacking confidence, what i just described is a perfect recipe to intensify that lack of confidence. He's never been a shooter, and more of a pass-first pg who can score - rather than a scoring PG who s als a good passer. Which means he would have done great back in the 80's, 90's and 2000's, but in the age of the scoring PG and the advent of positionless 3-point shooting centric gameplay over the course of the last decade just doesn't jibe with his skillset. That's why i think he'll actually flourish at Brooklyn. He'll be able to certainly get his shot if and when he wants, but can sit back and allow it to come to him while in the meantime getting Durant and Irving going as the number 1 and 2 go-to scoring options. Harden was the worst fit for Brooklyn, he's a ball hog who has based his entire game around drawing fouls, shooting tons of threes, and getting away with travels and has always been very ball-dominant - which made no sense when you got two guys who are far more versatile and better skilled scorers than he who are also pretty ball-dominant. This will also work out pretty well for Harden too, landing on a team that needs more perimeter scoring and provide a more steady supply of points than what Simmons is capable of giving.
Kobe had an even more dominant center hogging the post and figured it out. One of the reasons he’s the 🐐.
I kinda always thought Emiid had a part in this too and not just Ben and Doc
Not enough criticism at Elton Brand and Daryl Morey. They blew it. The were given a good team and it's worse now. Starts with using a retread coach like Doc Rivers, he doesn't adjust. Sad the Philly fans deserve better after suffering for so long due to the process.
He’s an amazing talent he needs a new team fresh start he will be a superstar
Glad someone finally called out Doc for being overrated.. I remember as a kid Watching Tmac damn near will the Magic to .500 and this bum got coach of the year in the end
It's his own dam Fault
Stunt number one is Philly being pressured by the media into taking Simmons over Ingram: I’ve had that feeling since day one, when reports were that Simmons adamantly wanted to go to LA over Philly.
... Ben Simmons aka BiLLy OWeNs 😂 👍
Or Lamar Odom with a worse jumper
Remember when kobe told Ben he needs to get a jumper n bem said no thanks 😒 he's not allowed in Philly
mike dunleavy jr would be a good topic
Let’s say they traded Ben for brad Beal (doubt it would happen) could Ben take the wizards to the playoffs?
Nope, Beal was da bulk of da offense, you getting less offense with Ben.
Being from the Bahamas during the late 90's only ONE scout. The fact Ben Simmons had the opportunity to do what so many of us wanted and he's a spoiled brat. I'm 6'1 and had that Kyrie/Trey game on offense with that pesky Mookie Blaylock style on def. I would've been happy to play D1 and over seas. This clown grew to 6'10 and has all the resources to be great but he's just going to waste it smh. Some players got injured and never got to fulfill their potential....Ben is wasting health, youth and an amazing opportunity to be at the highest level.
What a mess.
Can’t believe Joel embiid is the only good draft pick that came outta all that
The process was not a failure because GM Sam hinkie told all of us Sixers fans in the very beginning that they had a five-year plan to recruit as many draft picks as they could, develop as many young players as they could and hopefully draft a franchise player or two ( Joel embiid & Ben Simmons). They said they wanted to gather as many assets as he could so that they can make big trades to grab another Superstar if available ( Jimmy Butler, Al Horford, Tobias Harris) and give this team an opportunity to go to the NBA finals for years to come. THAT is what they did, because if this was not what they did, no one would think that the process failed! ( theres only ONE CHAMPION each year so yunno) Not to mention there are many players from the Sixers process years they have signed lucrative contact like: TJ McConnell, Landry shamet, Mykall Bridges, Christian Wood, Nerlens Noel, Dario saric, Robert Covington, Markelle fultz sign the contract before he got hurt again, Michael Carter-Williams who was our rookie-of-the-year signed a nice contract. THAT is not failure bruh,
Lol
Sims & Biid could have been this eras Penny & Shaq
Don’t care what anyone says, Doc Rivers made all this shit worst with that comment during the postgame
Do stunted growth on jimma gatwech!!!!
Mark Jackson stunted Growth as a Coach
The 6ers are in PURGATORY!!! It kills me to watch my home team take a MEGA slide backwards!!! Embiid is NO leader! He is a follower. He requested to have PJ on the team to bring TOUGHNESS! You can’t be taught how to be tough! You either have it or you don’t!! Embiid is soft! Simmons is GUTLESS and has NO TRUE Love for the game ❗️
Ben Simmons isn't a PG. Need that to be a stunt..he needs to play the 3/4 spots, as a slashing/attacking forward, Ultimately to me, Ben isn't good enough to do this holding out thing, ..Doc rivers is also the most overrated coach in NBA history.
I don't agree with Simmons being a 3/4. As a 3 he can't shoot, as a 4 he would be pushed around.
Yes, Rivers is the most overrated coach in NBA history.
WOW,great minds do think alike!!LOL.I've felt that way for years!!Doc Rivers is overrated as an nba coach!!!😊😊😊
@@buzzerbeater3350 all 3s aren't really shooters. If Draymond, Millsap etc can be 4s he can as well. Honestly the NBA is trending to becoming position less the term they use, but at 6'10, 240 plus. For him it's all desire as a 4 man..could be another stunt his lack of desire..I just know, I would take him off the ball as being labeled a PG..
@@aaronhutchinson885 Yeah, I get that but he doesn't have to core strength to duel with 4's like Julius Randle and Sabonis.
If Embid was drafted before number three. Philly would be in real trouble. Philly got lucky Embid was hurt coming out of college.
He's over rated and it shows. Ben is taking the fall for it RN but Joel will be exposed in time.
THANK YOU I been saying doc overrated for years
There’s no 2 player’s I hate more than Embid&Simmons
I wouldn’t blame Doc he always the fall back guy he not out there on the floor.
1:42 Western Conference Finals…
I think you meant Eastern…
🤣🤣🤣
Can't put Harden Davis and Simmons in the same category for anything. Simmons isn't in their class, period! Dude can be deemed a bust. Harden and Davis are future HoFers
Honestly Doc Rivers is the reason for the cluster fuck as of late in Philly.
They should trade embiid , realistically he doesnt have 2 good years left in his feet or knees, right now while hes healthy they can get a whole cruise ship and 2 super speed boats for him
We had the 1 seed???Simmons turned his back on us
Alec Burks should get an episode
Stunt number 1 Markelle Fultz
Markelle Fultz was pose to be Point
Nope the gm after him made some bad bad move trading picks and roll player and drafting that guy who forgot how to play basketball ball. They could have been great. And i am a bucks fan. Saying that. The butler trade was a big loss then trading up for fultz. Horrible moves made by a bad gm.
Have Ben play the 4 along side with Joel
Ben a thrive in the WNBA
How you doing a story on Philly and put them in the western conference 😂🤦🏽♂️
3:28 Ben at 6'11 went baseline and didn't dunk it. WTF
You sound like a casual
@@jayrukks8039 if i was 6'11 i would've slammed that.
Nah Stunt #1 keeping Brett brown instead of Jimmy Butler
Nah Embiid isn't a true leader. Doesn't take his physical serious enough to be a championship player. A.I. had his habits but he wasn't playing in games gassed he went another level.
I agree.. Doc Rivers in my eyes is clearly overrated as a coach
serius jones has an episode
but Mya dont got an episode?
NIGGA. PUTITON THE TUBE!
I kinda disagree with the leadership on Joel towards Simmons. These players are built different. Like u said divas. Lebron is a great leader but couldn't do anything with Kyrie. It is what it is. 😂 and being from philly, ben just needs to go...
The process was tank until Bron retires or goes to the western conference I knew the process was trash when they drafted embid, noel, and okaphor why draft all those bigs in the top 6 for 3 years in a row? Made no sense to me to be honest they don't know what they were doing imagine embid and Devin booker with cj McCollum thats literally what they gave up .........my bad I forgot to mention Giannis the big problem is why couldn't they run a pick and roll ? Embid sets the pick Ben rolls to the basket embid can throw the pop or wait til Ben clears out and now he can punish a pg the game ain't hard its about team chemistry and execution to me Ben didn't shoot a layup but I did see Trae Young could barely get the ball past mid court
His argent is running around with Adele, but hey when your Bron’s buddy you can do what you want at this point instead of being accountable for your player.
The agent can't make him practice or take shots right at the bucket tho
@@quintarabarrett9335 I hear you, just would like some accountability from his agent who gives him advice, because we praise them when they sign for the 💰
@@Tdavis_413 I agree with you on that for sure
Both of their styles doesn't work well on the court...
Blame rich paul’s system.
Doc is a good not great coach. Better than Brett Brown at least..
Doc is mediocre at best...
they need Isaiah thomas