what an interesting camera angle; found that to be a great placement to put your in cabin video on the bottom left, makes it seem like your driving a go-cart. 9/10
9/10 for me too. maybe a hood cam (placed either inside the windshield or on top of the car) would be perfect with the angle/editing of the onboard footage.
as a owner of both those Elise and s2k I love both of my cars. I Howard's s2k is nice and he really knows how to drive the s2k. a s2k stock wont really do well against an Elise but its awesome on what just tires and a bit of aero can do with the s2k. now apply that to your Elise and watch what happens with that
Good driving. I'm impressed by how much quicker the Lotus is in the braking zone, and even on the straightaway. Would not have imagined that (straightline speed) to be the case!
It looks like there's a significant time lag (maybe a little over half a second?) in the accelerometer output. It also looks a little jumpy at times, so maybe the filter settings are a little off.
You mention that the S2K has the aero advantage a few times. I'm here to point out that the cars are probably about equal in the amount of downforce and drag that they make. The S2K has a lip, hardtop, and wing at low AOA. The Elise has a lip, hood vents, flat floor, duck tail, diffuser, and is known to make about 100lb of downforce at 100 mph. From the literature I have found; the CR spec S2K still makes a little lift, and that is with the lip, hardtop, and small GT wing. Buttonwillow is a pretty fast track, and HP matters a good deal here. Advantage S2K. The S2K also had 255 width tires. What did the Elise have? How much time did each driver have in their car, and how much exp. did each have at BW?
Colin Bowman a duck tail barley does anything. It just sort of says hi to the air as it does absolutely nothing. While a wing that’s over the roof of the car will be extremely more efficient
Colin Bowman then let’s not forget the s2000 comes with locking diff . Witch again is a huge advantage the car will feel more balanced everywhere with less understeer & allows u to actually put power down
Where I live, you can get a ~2002 Elise and 2000-2003 S2000 for the same price, obviously daily driver so gonna be the S2000 but love seeing how they match up on a tight track like this. Thanks for adding the corner speeds, and lateral g's too!
Oh and the way you recover from a loose rear really shows you know more about what you're doing. Straightening the wheels and not just getting right off the gas, as well as not trying to immediately counter steer. Seen so many people lose it from the smallest slide by immediately trying to counter steer, then letting off the throttle completely and causing snap oversteer etc
Good fun! A Helical LSD may not help so much, I have an S2K and they also will spin up when the inner wheel lifts a little so clutch based LSD is best. I prefer the ease of a strong helical LSD and not worrying about clutch packs and friction modifiers though.. have a 15' Z28 torsen in my LS2k so bit different to most.
Hi, what do you think of the seating position? It appears that you have no where for your right leg. It seems crammed against the shift knob and it looks uncomfortable .
Best thing you can do is imitate the s2000. Which you did. Awesome job. If you want to save some time, ask if there is a corner you can go flat out to any of the instructors. More info on the gps setup!
S2k has vtec, a Honda 6 speed manual transmission (they row like butter), aero/suspension work. It's hard for alot of cars to keep up with S2k's, especially at a power disadvantage.
These videos are great, making me want to venture out from the auto x I am use to. I think it would be interesting to hear a little conversation between you and the guys you run against after the runs.
I miss my 05 Elise. NOTHING could get out of a corner like that car. Where and what track is that? Unfortunately there are like 0 tracks like this in Florida
@@herberthans7015.. def not a rb26.. and an LS would be way too much weight for the Lotus.. K20-24 would be perfect.. On the track, NA is a lot more fun and usable having that huge rev-range.. My k20 Mr2 revs out to almost 10K and is a monster on the track.. 280whp NA.. built head, 12:1 compression. Power numbers and boost are not everything on the track. Comes down to a good setup, a usable power-band, the right tires/suspension, good aero, and good power-to weight.
@ I stole matt farahs delorean and when I hit like ~95 miles on the highway I entered a loophole and the car was beamed to the future. the future was even shittier then the present so I came back and put the car back where it was parked like nothing happened. anyway what I learned from this is you should put a V12 in your MR2.
What about the Torque to Weight ratio differences between the two cars? Sure the Honda might have slightly lower power to weight ratio, but it could overcome that with more torque to support its superior aerodynamic package.
I like S2000, miata, FRS/BRZ and this elise for buttonwillow. I like corvettes/mustangs for more open road courses. The C7 has been at the dealer for about a week now.. trying to get the transmission issues fixed under warranty.
Great video, when I was shopping for my s2000 one of the dealers had a lotus and I sat in it..it was so tight and I'm only 5"11. My leg was hitting the shifter too and I basically had to fall out of the car to get out haha
I'd say 6'5 is about the max to fit in an Elise, but only if you are slim. I'm about 5'9 and my Elise only comes up to my waist :D They are a lot smaller and lower than they appear on screen. If you have ever stood next to a Le Mans car they are about the same size as that.
Nice driving...at some part i felt u can improve by releasing the brake earlier and keep higher speed? Looks like u need wider tyre upgrade to keep up with s2000
I feel like they were pretty evenly matched. I would change out my tires next to gain some time. I am currently running the cheapest 200tw tire (federal RSRR).
@@ZentRose take treadwear numbers with a grain of salt since it isn't really standardized between manufacturers. They are allowed to market/label them as being softer ( lower number ) then tested but not harder ( higher number ).
so you put that 100kg+ into lotus so s2000 has a chance..try put a 70kg driver and watch s2000 from the rear mirror but half of the turns are full throttle..you need to push
@@ZentRose thanks dude! You're the only channel I actually look forward to content notifications from; keep the content coming! Especially about the Elise. You bought a C5 the same time I did, and then bought an Elise and C7 at the same time I've started looking into both, so I'm really living some dreams vicariously through you haha
You can supercharge the 2ZZ-GE to get around the 230 mark reliably, and Rotrex make a kit good for 300ish but I'd imagine that would destroy a bone stock motor.
You’re welcome 😊 it’s a track I want to try too. It would interesting to experience such a flat track relative to my home tracks: Laguna Seca and Thunderhill (Willows California), and Sonoma Raceway where they all have massive elevation changes. Where are you?
Car looks a little loose. You're managing it well (except your little moment there) but I wonder if you're fighting the car a little which is slowing you down.
This is what sportscars are supposed to be... Was looking at the supras, c8's, m2 comps.... Nah... getting a lotus elise or exige...I'm done gaining weight.
holy crap just realized this is Zent.. He's the guy that almost convinced me to get a c6... I believe his opinion on cars is the most accurate of any youtuber.. He drives them all...
Buy an Elise, any Elise before prices go up even more. I recently bought a 1zz model (2006 Elise S) and it's more than quick enough for road use, quicker than the S2000. The most reliable version too :)
2:01.27 was fastest lap in this video. Predicted 1:59.8 on the last lap but hit traffic. I will be taking it out again this weekend with a couple tweaks to the set up.
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Straight away.
I'm gonna let this mustang pass.
Hits the corners.
We're loosing the mustang now.
😂😂😂
King Hip-O 😂😂 that was awesome
😂😂😂😂
Mustang shouldn't even be out there lol
09:07 -- very good recovery. Nice job man!
aehmerchant i keep rewatching it over and over
phew! That was hairy as hell
what an interesting camera angle; found that to be a great placement to put your in cabin video on the bottom left, makes it seem like your driving a go-cart. 9/10
I'm not a huge fan of the low cam.. It increases the sense of speed.. But it's so low, you can't really see the track
9/10 for me too. maybe a hood cam (placed either inside the windshield or on top of the car) would be perfect with the angle/editing of the onboard footage.
bliglum Yea rather cabin view
That s2k cant get any cleaner......so nice.
as a owner of both those Elise and s2k I love both of my cars. I Howard's s2k is nice and he really knows how to drive the s2k. a s2k stock wont really do well against an Elise but its awesome on what just tires and a bit of aero can do with the s2k. now apply that to your Elise and watch what happens with that
man cant get your leg any more on the shifter lol. gg
S2000 is epic - i hope it will reborn again
Good driving. I'm impressed by how much quicker the Lotus is in the braking zone, and even on the straightaway. Would not have imagined that (straightline speed) to be the case!
❤️❤️❤️❤️ S2000
Nice camera layout. It's a good way to show all the information.
Entertaining video, my two favorite cars! Data on the video is awesome!
Digging the set up you have for this vid. None of that gimmicky vlogging crap, just straight racing.
Amazing battle!👍🏻
It looks like there's a significant time lag (maybe a little over half a second?) in the accelerometer output. It also looks a little jumpy at times, so maybe the filter settings are a little off.
Yes i need to figure out how to fix that. The only thing that seemed to sync correctly was the timing.
That lotus steering wheel looks cool.
Momo steering wheel from the factory
N/a four cylinders 😍
You mention that the S2K has the aero advantage a few times. I'm here to point out that the cars are probably about equal in the amount of downforce and drag that they make. The S2K has a lip, hardtop, and wing at low AOA. The Elise has a lip, hood vents, flat floor, duck tail, diffuser, and is known to make about 100lb of downforce at 100 mph. From the literature I have found; the CR spec S2K still makes a little lift, and that is with the lip, hardtop, and small GT wing.
Buttonwillow is a pretty fast track, and HP matters a good deal here. Advantage S2K. The S2K also had 255 width tires. What did the Elise have? How much time did each driver have in their car, and how much exp. did each have at BW?
Colin Bowman a duck tail barley does anything. It just sort of says hi to the air as it does absolutely nothing. While a wing that’s over the roof of the car will be extremely more efficient
Colin Bowman & a rear wing of a fr layout car and shave seconds off your time on a fast track like cw13
Colin Bowman then let’s not forget the s2000 comes with locking diff . Witch again is a huge advantage the car will feel more balanced everywhere with less understeer & allows u to actually put power down
Colin Bowman then you add 255 fronts on a car that came with what 215s stock. I’m surprised the kinda stock lotus keep up at all
I think the s2000 have better ratio and powerband...
And if not mistaken, elise stock tyre is narrower than 255 width which the s2k got
Where I live, you can get a ~2002 Elise and 2000-2003 S2000 for the same price, obviously daily driver so gonna be the S2000 but love seeing how they match up on a tight track like this. Thanks for adding the corner speeds, and lateral g's too!
Oh and the way you recover from a loose rear really shows you know more about what you're doing. Straightening the wheels and not just getting right off the gas, as well as not trying to immediately counter steer. Seen so many people lose it from the smallest slide by immediately trying to counter steer, then letting off the throttle completely and causing snap oversteer etc
Nice recovery around 9:09 I probably would have spun out 😲
Really great video, love the way you edited to have that perspective.
Man I wish I knew how to drive like this haha
So much fun to watch. Awesome video!
Thank you!
Good fun! A Helical LSD may not help so much, I have an S2K and they also will spin up when the inner wheel lifts a little so clutch based LSD is best. I prefer the ease of a strong helical LSD and not worrying about clutch packs and friction modifiers though.. have a 15' Z28 torsen in my LS2k so bit different to most.
Looks like you’re in a go-kart 😂
Hi, what do you think of the seating position? It appears that you have no where for your right leg. It seems crammed against the shift knob and it looks uncomfortable .
The knee pushing the gear shift over is killing me
That's a really cool video editing perspective trick that you've done there never seen that quite like that before I really like that
S2000 🤘🏾
Fun video. I'd like to battle your Elise sometime in my S2000!
Zygrene you two guys were one of my very first subscribers. Now both your channels got big and are talking to each other.
When are you coming out again?
@@m3lightweight great question lol. Hopefully in March!
My car @sparkyS2k wants to roll with y'all reeeel bad :)
Id like to try my hand with my 1980 race prepped (stock engine) 911SC. ;)
Best thing you can do is imitate the s2000. Which you did. Awesome job.
If you want to save some time, ask if there is a corner you can go flat out to any of the instructors. More info on the gps setup!
What time did the ap2 run? What spring rates is he running on the clubsports?
That’s a cool view set up by overlapping the videos like that. Looks like you’re actually driving on the floor
nice mate, interesting watch with great commentary. good driving too!
Really nicely made video. I love the S2000
S2k has vtec, a Honda 6 speed manual transmission (they row like butter), aero/suspension work. It's hard for alot of cars to keep up with S2k's, especially at a power disadvantage.
You had every advantage with that lotus and should never lose
Never heard of buttonwillow before, needs to be in forza or grand turismo. Awesome track awesome cars, both on my bucket list....
just wondering if there is an accurate android app for g-forces reading?
Awesome video, more like this will catch momentum for sure! Will share
I couldn't help but notice where your thigh rests so close to the shifter. Has this been an issue for you?
What tire compound are each of you running?
These videos are great, making me want to venture out from the auto x I am use to. I think it would be interesting to hear a little conversation between you and the guys you run against after the runs.
Yo is the clutch literally to the right of the wheel??
Looks like a great day at the track. Couldn't even manage 80mph on the straight in our lemons car lol
s2k guy is real good nice driving
Great video for such as all channel. SUBSCRIBED!!
looks like he's driving underground lol
Man I'd love to put a lotus in my garage next to the S.
Do you still have the C6 Z06 man? If so, how's she holding up so far?
which would win if these were both stock?
I miss my 05 Elise. NOTHING could get out of a corner like that car. Where and what track is that? Unfortunately there are like 0 tracks like this in Florida
Dude there are 0 tracks of any King where i live so be happy... 😭
What have you done to the Lotus? Very clean driving enjoyed watching!
Drop a k series in the lotus
you mean an LS or RB26
@@herberthans7015 K20 would better compliment the lightweight characteristics of the Lotus
you can overcome that if you run nitrous
@@herberthans7015.. def not a rb26.. and an LS would be way too much weight for the Lotus.. K20-24 would be perfect.. On the track, NA is a lot more fun and usable having that huge rev-range.. My k20 Mr2 revs out to almost 10K and is a monster on the track.. 280whp NA.. built head, 12:1 compression. Power numbers and boost are not everything on the track. Comes down to a good setup, a usable power-band, the right tires/suspension, good aero, and good power-to weight.
@ I stole matt farahs delorean and when I hit like ~95 miles on the highway I entered a loophole and the car was beamed to the future. the future was even shittier then the present so I came back and put the car back where it was parked like nothing happened. anyway what I learned from this is you should put a V12 in your MR2.
nice driving, car looks incredibly fast and fun.
What about the Torque to Weight ratio differences between the two cars? Sure the Honda might have slightly lower power to weight ratio, but it could overcome that with more torque to support its superior aerodynamic package.
Good battle!
Got a Sub, Keep it up! Looking forward to your next upload.
What front kit is that on the s2k?
Voltex front bumper
That s2k sounded and look sweet.
Looks like fun. What has been your favorite track car, and have you had the C7 on track yet?
I like S2000, miata, FRS/BRZ and this elise for buttonwillow. I like corvettes/mustangs for more open road courses. The C7 has been at the dealer for about a week now.. trying to get the transmission issues fixed under warranty.
Looks like a very tight fit in the lotus
Yes it is hard to believe how small it is until you sit in one.
@@ZentRose How tall is too tall? i'm 6'3
Great video, when I was shopping for my s2000 one of the dealers had a lotus and I sat in it..it was so tight and I'm only 5"11. My leg was hitting the shifter too and I basically had to fall out of the car to get out haha
I'd say 6'5 is about the max to fit in an Elise, but only if you are slim. I'm about 5'9 and my Elise only comes up to my waist :D
They are a lot smaller and lower than they appear on screen. If you have ever stood next to a Le Mans car they are about the same size as that.
Awesomeness!!!
Cool video!
Nice driving...at some part i felt u can improve by releasing the brake earlier and keep higher speed? Looks like u need wider tyre upgrade to keep up with s2000
If you had aero, do you think you would've been faster than the s2k?
I feel like they were pretty evenly matched. I would change out my tires next to gain some time. I am currently running the cheapest 200tw tire (federal RSRR).
@@ZentRose take treadwear numbers with a grain of salt since it isn't really standardized between manufacturers. They are allowed to market/label them as being softer ( lower number ) then tested but not harder ( higher number ).
The lotus had some good corner entry speed.
Bro you’re leg crushing the gear stick as you cornered gave me cancer but I appreciate the video
I am a fat American and have trouble fitting in these tiny cars.
Awesome 👍
Sweet video.
That was awesome
Glad you liked it!
I still root for the Lotus!
Yea I was also rooting for him to close the gap.
so you put that 100kg+ into lotus so s2000 has a chance..try put a 70kg driver and watch s2000 from the rear mirror but half of the turns are full throttle..you need to push
Why do you not have an s2k anymore I know you love the car ?
Ahhh why did you end it there! You had just started your fastest lap and found a better line through that second turn! What was the final lap time?
We ran into traffic. The final lap was predicted 1:59.8 but the fastest lap shown in this video was 2:01.27.
@@ZentRose thanks dude! You're the only channel I actually look forward to content notifications from; keep the content coming! Especially about the Elise. You bought a C5 the same time I did, and then bought an Elise and C7 at the same time I've started looking into both, so I'm really living some dreams vicariously through you haha
Which lip is that on the s2000?
Voltex front bumper, they got a couple different variations of it.
My Name thank you! I’ll look it up
Uhhh ... can someone please tell what happened here ...
aww.. cut it short. Thanks!
yes we ran into traffic unfortunately
can't believe those car does not have LSD from the price they cost, damn even my Civic Si got one.
Some of the models do have LSD.
2zr-fe right?
2ZZ-GE
Nice save Zent!
that's the best looking hard top i've seen on S2000 what is it?
Doomreb oem top
Tyson Trani was thinking he made a mistake or something. i thought the oem one was the bulky one i've seen so much.
The bulky one is the Mugen type hardtop.
Tyson Tran makes sense, thanks
Put a s2k swap in that lotus
You can supercharge the 2ZZ-GE to get around the 230 mark reliably, and Rotrex make a kit good for 300ish but I'd imagine that would destroy a bone stock motor.
Nice driving!
Fun driving! GG
Push push when the corner ends...😂🌬
What track is this?
On the Discovery - Buttonwillow (in California) as stated in the title.
@@AliasHSW sorry im not from there. THank you for the response
You’re welcome 😊 it’s a track I want to try too. It would interesting to experience such a flat track relative to my home tracks: Laguna Seca and Thunderhill (Willows California), and Sonoma Raceway where they all have massive elevation changes.
Where are you?
supercharging time!!! aero as well :)
Open diff on that Lotus?
yes
Lotus doesn't think lsd helps. Same with McLaren. It's a British thing. Stiff upper lip and all that.
Car looks a little loose. You're managing it well (except your little moment there) but I wonder if you're fighting the car a little which is slowing you down.
The lotus had toe out in rear. It was very loose.
@@ZentRose yeah that would do it for sure
Why all car guys so BIG?!
This is what sportscars are supposed to be... Was looking at the supras, c8's, m2 comps.... Nah... getting a lotus elise or exige...I'm done gaining weight.
holy crap just realized this is Zent.. He's the guy that almost convinced me to get a c6... I believe his opinion on cars is the most accurate of any youtuber.. He drives them all...
I'ma k24 swap my RX-8, let me know if u want to Battle.
I've always wanted an Elise or at least a 2zz swapped MR2s already have an s2000
Buy an Elise, any Elise before prices go up even more. I recently bought a 1zz model (2006 Elise S) and it's more than quick enough for road use, quicker than the S2000. The most reliable version too :)
Quality driving
More videos like this please
did you manage to get a 2 minute lap? solid work
2:01.27 was fastest lap in this video. Predicted 1:59.8 on the last lap but hit traffic. I will be taking it out again this weekend with a couple tweaks to the set up.
@@ZentRose where to? I assume you're running with speed ventures?
@@pullthatwigback5969 I'm going with ongrid running buttonwillow 13cw again this saturday.
Nice. Tires are the real limiting. My NA Elise with re71rs/NA Nitrons is mid 50s. No aero.
@@alexventura3843 the re71 is that much faster than the r888r?
Stock Elise vs Mod S2000. Yet he is still in front of you by few meters.
Poor gearbox, your leg is hitting the shifter all the time...
Why the hell you did the video like that?
Regardless of power to weight....the s2k is clearly the better car
Nope they are both great cars
@@carholic-sz3qv no body said they weren't....or did the lotus have a terrible driver
S2k better engine, Elise Better everything else
@@iwindowz than the driver sux
@@iwindowz lotus elise better engine too