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Fine-Tuning & the Significance of the Universe | Brian - Houston, TX | Atheist Experience 21.29
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- The Atheist Experience episode 21.29 for July 23, 2017 with Matt Dillahunty and Tracie Harris.
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These two are the dream team on this channel.
No kidding!
@hahagotcha!!!! Matt and Jeff used to be very quick for takedowns, but they didn't really allow the caller to actually communicate their point completely. I'm not saying that the caller's entire point would have helped their argument, but it got a bit too close to an echo chamber for my tastes
Facts
@@andrewpagan6266 Matt and Jeff didn't let the caller finish a point if they could tell where the caller was going, it saved time and didn't insult the audience.
It might not be great for newer viewers that aren't as familiar with the more common arguments but most of us are familiar with the most common arguments that we prefer a cut to the chase approach.
@@24magiccarrot Best Matt and Jeff moment: you're a solipsist?
Brian was one of the most pleasant callers in the show's history. The perfect example of "I don't agree with you, but I'm glad we can talk at great lengths about it."
I'm 30 minutes into the video, but I really like Brian. I don't know if he's still a believer, but he seems like an honest person who is trying so hard to make his beliefs coherent. He wasn't trying to prove a point, but he had actual questions, and he never talked over or interrupted in typical caller fashion.
This is the type of guy that I would love to have a drink and a conversation with.
Mabye he dosent need the snake salesman money/girls.
@@dignerds I can think if worse things than being double teamed by these two.
@@thedukeoftbc *narrows eyes*
4 years later and this is the comment I would liked to have left.
I like the fact that Brian is actually listening to the answers and processing them, and his follow -up questions are related to the previous answers. He does not simply reset his brains like so many other callers do.
The odds of drawing a royal straight flush are exactly the same as drawing any other hand.
@@jamesbryant4269 The odds of your opponent Shooting you, real fatal-like, are greatly increadesdes, if you draw a Royal Straight Flush.
This was a good caller. He listened, and didn't try to talk over either Matt or Tracie.
But did he listen? Because he seemed to have excuses every single time.
J w actually Matt just is able to contemplate comments quickly and reply. Because he responds so fast it appears as though he is talking over the other. However, if you consider any point you see that Matt is On Point with his responses. Maybe he just doesn’t want to waste time waiting for his callers to make their point when he sees where it is (erroneously) going. All good.
Yep
@@theaviationist.5719 Fun analogy. ;-)
@David Parry Indeed, there is something to be said for the entertainment value of a good hellfire and damnation rant! ;-)
Gob always takes credit, never responsibility.
Sweet gig.
A little like the president... Oh, shit... LOL!
Prototypical ''christian'' 8
+JOHN L OPPERMAN
ALL PRAISE THE MIGHTY GOB. May he reign in terror over us for all eternity.
Gob is good, Gob is great. Do unto others as they do unto you. If a man punches you in the Gob, punch him back. If a man Gobbles up your goodies gobble down his lunchbox and you will see the light.
That's a good assessment of god. Nice.
@@robertcartier5088 The way the laws are written, POTUS is just a King with a different title.
This is a great caller and on his way to being a quality atheist!
Jdl Jdl at least he was willing to try and follow the questions logically. He could get there
A quality atheist. ???
Yes, they really nailed it at around 49:00 - 52:56!
Sunnypsyop Because Ray is an idiot troll
Yeah, the way he honestly concedes a lot of the points is good.
Tracy's analogies are the best I have heard so far.
True..
🤔 And I always think the "fine tuning or first cause, is cos of God" argument is wanting it both ways.
As in - It's either, there HAS to be a first cause & fine tuning before a universe, AND ALSO a first cause for God , & fine tuned for a god to exist.
OR , there is no need for a first cause or fine tuning for the universe or God.
😁☮️🌏
The cosmological argument when compared to a homicide detective would be.....
1: We have a dead body.
2: All death that we know of had a cause.
3. This person death must have had a cause.
Now they would be a bad detective if their conclusion from that is 4: That cause must have been murder, ergo there was a murderer. Then when asked where their evidence was they replied “deaths don’t occur without a cause”.
The evidence you would be looking for is a knife or bullet wound, signs of trauma caused by a blunt object etc. Even then you need further evidence that those things were not an accident or self inflicted. You can’t just jump from it had a cause to a murderer or god.
Great analogy! It boils down to theists either thinking it’s too difficult to figure out who the murderer was and too scary and uncomfortable to discover that they can’t figure out why the person died.
Worse than this, the position that the universe began, is straight up not a fact, and most people would not be able to concede that it is the case.
We don't know that.
Worse than that, if your conclusion from this is that, if the universe had a beginning, and a cause, that this means it was intelligent, AND that this intelligence did NOT have a beginning.
How? It begs the question of what was that beginning, that cause, and so on and so forth.
If you already believe that God can not begin, and not have a cause, then you have no qualms with the idea that the universe itself didn't begin, has always been, and doesn't have a cause.
Foot 🦶 was my way
Kali Southpaw ex
Of course they can mate!
dog can do anything- so can they!
As long as god already predetermined the outcome lmfdo...
It seems like their culture and tradition was to murder off anyone who didn't play their god damn fucking death cult games. So of course they would presuppose and jump to conclusions - it's been indoctrinated into them to do so.
The real question is now... how to do we stop this terrible menace without resorting to genocide... you know- like they've done time and time again. According to their "holy" books.
Tracie always comes with the even deeper philosophy i love how she thinks. Best dou along with matt and jen
Jermaine McQueen Best dou? You mean like doggy-doo?
If the god of the bible had been portrayed as a king instead of a God , he would be remembered as the most evil, mass murdering, tyrannical dictator of all time! Christians give the bible god a free pass because, they say, he is god the creator. I don't see the difference whether man or god. If his actions were evil or immoral, as the bible states, then he'd be just as guilty of being evil as any human committing the same deeds.
Spot on. Christian morality is fiction, a lie. They bend the knee for power, because... power... It has nothing to do with morality whatsoever.
And many of them show disgusting sycophantic tendencies in defending the atrocities of that hideous biblical god-monster for a few brownie points.
@@Ploskkky Yes, and look at their sycophantic loyalty to the orange sphincter in the White House.
*Thormp1* I wouldn't be surprised if the original stories _were_ about a king or kings/despots/warlords, that would make a lot of sense.
richwfd2002 not at all related. Your political affiliation is not directly dependent on your religious beliefs as a Christian. (saying that, majority of Christians may be loyal to the president, but it’s not a causation. being Christian doesn’t make you like Trump.)
Why did Jesus raise the dead he didn't run around stabbing people to
I dealt out 13 spades in a row once. I had just opened a brand new pack of cards.
Yeah, I was thinking that one also.
Proof that God created your deck of cards!
I've listened to a lot of these callers, and Brian is probably the most honest and respectful theist I've heard yet. He seems to want to really try to understand and think about the issues and give them due consideration, as well as very liberal use of "I don't know" without having to sacrifice the entire basis of his beliefs and faith to do so.
The best caller I've ever heard on the show. Doesn't have an answer for everything and is ok with that. His responses were always rather reasoned. Impressive!
I love the example of notes from a father I never met and have no way to confirm that it's really from him or that he even exists. And by the way, lots of people claim they have messages from "him" and they're often conflicting
theyre all conflicting lol, anecdotle arguments are never worth anything because we would have to say one persons expierence matters more than anothers. Its like "Near death expierences", yall are sure you went to the afterlife but all saw something different? nice.
have you read quran lisa
@@lufayoubhopes8997 Have u.Hadits & all 9yards ? With a sceptical view not indoctrination. Be honest.
@@karamjitgrewal8445 ,do u know what is the meaning of hadith first u must be honest to yourself not me i told u the truth,if u didn't even know the meaning of hadith how would u believe it let me sort u out the meaning hadith means a conversation between prophet muhamed&one ore more &the narrator must be reliable &thehadith must be comply with quran,let me ask u first upon your thought do prophet muhammed condemn himself by saying i marry aysha who is 9 years old is that out of logicalsecond is that written in quran which is the main source of quran the i explain u last time he married lady khadija who was older than him by 15 years then she dies why doesn`t he marry after her directly why does he wain 2 years then he married a lady older than him nevertheless he was in that time a prophet just if he want to marry any lady he got her,think before prejudge god told us in quran functioning your brain but u fuctioning your hatred only,all the best
Oh look, an actual discussion! I love callers like Brian. Even though he's inevitably defeated (of course), his points bring to light new aspects of the various theological arguments that an average atheist like myself may not be very familiar with.
Tracy's thinking is beyond the other two people in the conversation.
Yea I noticed that immediately
Brian is the kind of guy you know for years and then someone else makes a religious joke and he reacts different than expected and you prod the question and he tells you he’s a believer and you’re like “seriously,” because he seems pretty rational on all other fronts. You never hear him taking about religion and you can’t picture him in a church.
Brian is one of the few seemingly intellectually honest people I've heard on the religious side, no exasperated frustration on either side because it seems like everyone is willing to play by some basic rules of logic and discourse. One comment on Matt's line of argumentation - although questioning why god does what he supposedly does is reasonable, it just doesnt seem all that compelling to most theists. It can all on some level be explained away with the idea that we cannot comprehend the mind of god. Some of the supposed actions do seem contradictory but god's plan is so grand and incomprehensible to us that we aren't able to properly evaluate it etc., or so many theists may argue.
Matt has already answered that point too: if the god they believe in gave humans a brain which is incapable of understanding him, then that's ultimately the god's fault, and shows that the god is either inept or malevolent. In the same way that, if you program a simulation game and your simulated people end up failing to understand you, that's your fault as the programmer.
That was legitimately the best caller I've heard on the show, and likely why they essentially gave him the entire show.
Tracie brought up an interesting point when she asked if the universe was designed to produce cats.
She nailed it. I believe in cats. We are a mere by-product, designed to serve only them.
I willingly accept my role as my cat's slave! :D
Cat earth society
I nearly spit out my water at this comment, haha. So true.....well played man, haha!
@Stacey Perkins My tortoiseshell master Reeses approves your post.
@william perkins I wonder if humans go to heaven in a cat-centric universe?
we aren't by-products, we were a necessary step in the universe producing the end result of cats
I will always smile whenever I hear Matt use the term "Blood Magic" for the most sacred part of Christianity hahahahaha
Vampiristic Xians all day every day!
What else would you call it
This discussion fully articulates the line of thought that I followed through my deconversion. Just add the absurdity and immorality of vicarious redemption and Pascal's Wager being a narcissistic proposal and you'd have the complete set.
“Anything that happens, happens.
“Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.
“Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again.
It doesn’t necessarily do it in chronological order, though “
~ Douglas Adams
I have a simple example about what Tracie tries to tell this guy.
While going to work today, there was a car in front of me with the tag AZ96C.
What was the probability of seeing AZ96C tag today before I got on the road among thousands of tags in the city? Very miniscule.
So seeing that AZ96C tag should be a miracle. :-) It could not happen by chance.
@Gunther Vincent Oh, it's that elusive macroscale quantum event entangling us, Again!
Here we are a year later and I have not seen that registration number. I put it down to a miracle and I am only 10,000 miles from you but on the same planet. What a coincidence.
99999999999999⁹
I prefer Hitchen's argument on this. On an immense universe, on a time span of billions of years humanity exists on a tiny spec of dust for a brief interval that we know will end in about a billion years and cannot survive in almost the entire rest of the world. Unfathomable stretches of space-time completely unfriendly to human life, a tiny part of the universe barely provides for a human population that is absolutely tiny in a cosmic scale. Is that the result of a world whose "goal" is to harbor human life?
Theists always just assume that life is the most important aspect of the Universe.
Absolutely correct!
Well, if you watch the matrix, that shows one possibility.
Not just life, human life.
Their life!
@@ricardovonkrypton8908 and what does that mean? Human life is just a life with no any purpose. As a personal you have/should/could/may/might construct your life in you own way.
I would say life is the most important. Just not at all the "purpose" for it. If there were no living things to enjoy and appreciate the universe there'd be nothing to give a shit that it exists.
For me, Matt just totally blows it out of the park immediately.
26:40 ... Imagining total nothingness is like trying to divide by zero. It's not that there is no answer, it's that the question doesn't make sense.
If the world is fine tuned for us then why do we need:
air conditioners in summer
heaters in winter
clothes to keep us warm or protected
need shelter
need medication
need doctors
need firemen for naturally caused fires
need rescue workers to help survivors of natural catastrophes
etc.
The fine tuning propaganda fails just as much as the intelligent design propaganda.
Fur
Thereby restricted to most moderate limited places to survive on a insect-ridden, hungry critters of all types, wild planet in a virtually totally alien universe, constantly bombarded by lethal elements.
Gob's expressions of tender luv in spades!
Wutta guy
@@jdljdl7843 why would you create that shitty tree
@@jdljdl7843
No we didn't
Go sell your fantasy, your asinine mythologies somewhere you'll find more gulibles.
If there wasn't a God how do you have access to all those things..He's a provider..Turn from your wicked ways
@@tylercampbell6365
No matter how you twits twist your tails into a knot, the thuggish bloodthirsty genicidal dictatorial god-thing fails every time, just as it has from day one.
But keep trying, it has a bit of entertainment value in slack times.
I vividly remember that as a small child (3-4 years old perhaps) I thought that it was trees causing/producing wind through their movement and not that the branches were being moved by wind :D
Yes! Lovely: magical thinking; imbuing agency, almost compulsively... (Branches causing wind = active; branches being moved = passive)
Ever heard of (the) HADD (Hyperactive Agency Detection Device)...? Maybe a case can be made that without it, there'd (probably) be no religion.
I used to think that's what wind was. I didn't equate it with the other things it does like when you feel it blow through the air or hear it make noises. I thought as a kid that wind was what we call it when the trees shake around lolol
@@arjanstam78 We need to figure out a way to turn off that HAADD switch. Maybe a vaccine against it could do the trick....but I don't think religions would approve of it.
@@323rolando Switching it off? One would hope NOT! (Ever thought of the consquences of that?!) Even though God is most probably merely an unwanted byproduct of it, the HADD as a whole looks to me like a rather big evolutionary advantage. What if we could find a way to help people actually think things through, AND in a sane manner. But you're right; religions would not APPROVE. They HATE that verb anyway. "To BAN" (or SIN, or REPENT) has a much nicer ring to it, to them, it seems.
@@323rolando Or... maybe we could ask god to FINE TUNE it, so as to leave HIM out of it?
God purposely created us broken and then told us to fix ourselves. Yeah that makes sense.
well i get you but that’s a vapid argument. if he existed he very well could have, maybe even for good reasons. i don’t suggest use of that musing in any arguments. it’s easily defeated.
We were before we disobeyed
Not Bran, Jamie was responsible for that one.
@@tylercampbell6365 But if Adam and Eve were ignorant of good and evil, then how did they know it was bad to disobey? And how does anyone justify generational punishment?
@@markdayell61 He told them do not eat from the tree of Life..
If I were on a theist debate team Brian is the first person I would recruit. He used reason and was open to a clearer understanding of the questions the theist team would face. Brian was well-versed, succinct, and concise. He seemed to fill his plate with a mound of ideas/insights to digest. Haha This is the first time I have ever cheered for theist.
Richard Cranium I believe in afterlife. What about that?
@@RicardGomes76 I think it's wishful thinking.
the greatest human delusion is believing that something about us, will remain, for eternity.
Jörmungandr You failed the answer. You didn’t pass the test.
@@RicardGomes76 what reason do you have to believe that? Try to answer without the usual references to ancient texts, or someone told you, or you can't imagine not being alive, etc. A good reason. I bet you a $1000 you cannot.
@@joecoolioness6399 Vulgar straw man... You don't know me.
This is probably one of the best conversations that involves a theist caller in The atheist experience, and of course it has my two favorite hosts! 😁👍
Tracie's simple direct examples are so baffling to poor Brian, you can actually hear the gears turning in his head.
Fun fact i read from the brain skewer website. Everytime you shuffle a deck of cards you make history. Quote from there website:
The reason for this is because there are 52 factorial (52!) possible card combinations in a standard deck of 52 cards. That means when you figure the total card combinations you have 52 options for the first card, 51 options for the second card, 50 for the third, etc. The factorial math works out like a long multiplication problem: 52x51x50 etc.
So how many possible card combinations are there when you shuffle a deck of playing cards? Well, 52! comes out to:
80,658,175,170,943,878,571,660,636,856,403,766,975,289,505,440,883,277,824,000,000,000,000
Irrelevant to the video, but kinda cool none the less!
One of the better callers, but it always comes down to “ I just want to believe in what I was brought up to believe” And then jumping through hoops to justify that belief.
I actually kind of like Brian. Good dude, just needs to put his imaginary friend away.
People who are just deluded out of stupidity are usually harmless. The ones who are intellectually able to rationalize their delusion (or at least convince themselves that they do) are the dangerous ones. It's for example the main ingredient for most totalitarian terror regimes.
@@___Chris___ yup
@@___Chris___
Like trans people.
“Oooh, I’m really a woman”. Um, no.
Glad I clicked on this one; I have yet to make the exact point that, "If we assume anything was _supposed to be,_ then we are starting with a conclusion."
Very productive conversation.
Distant black hole collision felt on Earth
A black hole collision 9 billion light years away was so powerful, the effects could be felt here on Earth.
Australian scientists analysing data from the US-based Advanced Laser Interferometer Gravitational-wave Observatory found the tell-tale ripples in spacetime caused by the merger of two black holes on July 29, 2017.
They have now formed a new black hole that's estimated to be about 80 times larger than the Sun.
"This event also had black holes spinning the fastest of all mergers observed so far," said Australian National University's Susan Scott.
"It is also by far the most distant merger observed."
Oh, boy, they destroyed him (in arguments) the last 20 minutes.
I bet this kid will get out religion in the near future. He sounds like a skeptical kid.
A fantastic conversation even after 3 years, thank you :)
if the deck of cards was placed on some surface which was set up to dump them on the floor at some random point, and when the cards landed, the only ones face up were 13 spades, there would be no agent capable of cheating to make it happen, so one would be forced to assume it was chance.
the same could be the case with the universe.
This was a good conversation.. Brian seems intelligent enough.. I appreciated the dialogue both ways
This is one of the best calls I've seen. Everything is so well laid out and Tracy & Matt are really on point.the whole time.
the caller seemed decent person but deluded
Yes, one of the best callers. Well-spoken and rational.
Religion and the circles it creates in the mind! Mindboggling
this is my favorite one by far
These two should just make their own show, not that I don't like the other hosts..it's just that these guys are the gold standard. Any time I see them on the thumbnail I know I'm in for a good one.
Brian should be the poster boy for theists, he has a belief but still researches other theories and doesn't rely on the standars tropes of 'the bible is why'.
What’s missing is the fact that the earth was not “fine tuned” for billions of years to support any life.
The arguments brought up by Matt and Tracy were brilliant especially towards the end. My money's on this guy becoming an atheist before too long. He sounded intelligent and I think he was really hearing the soundness of what they were saying.
Probably one of the most excellent conversations I've heard on AE. Thanks AE!!!
This is one of the best callers and discussions I've ever watched. Very interesting discussion with honest queries and points👍
Where the card analogy falls apart, is that in the example of the deck of cards, we can determine the probability based on knowing all the variables. The analogy falls apart with the universe because we don't know all the variables, therefore you cannot determine probability accurately
Great conversation, wish they could all be like this
"Fine tuning" is not the reason gods were invented.
It was the weather.
the problem with the fine-tuning argument is that in physics, fine tuning is something that is applied to a near complete model. We dont have anything like that for the universe, so no one can say whether it requires fine tuning. It may be that when we understand the mechanics of universe creation, the way that it is will become apparent. No one is any position to say how probably it is that the universe has the constants that it has
"The Creator, if He exists, has a special preference for beetles" - JBS Haldane
Mojos Bigstick especially Ringo
@@atheist-karate-guy But not Paul cause he knows what he did.
"and don't forget black holes, JBS." -- S. Hawking
SHawking!
I thought that came from Darwin, actually.
@@jeffwells1255 Also possibly Darwin, or apocryphal, or anonymous but I think Haldane is likely.
Love Tracy's deck of cards example!
I really like this caller. He os deluded but also level headed calm and open minded.
Tracie's smile is just great.
So many great takes, imo one of the best episodes.
35:35... Checkmate by Tracie. Game over. That's one of the best points I've ever heard.
troy lenz 5 seconds of silence? Seriously though, great selection.
Almost an entire hour, this one! 👍😊
People who insist that the odds for the existence of life are so astronomically infinitesimal as to be impossible simply don’t understand how astronomically large the universe is or how long it’s taken to produce us.
Take a human and place them at a randomly selected point on Earth. About 80% of the time, they would either drown in the ocean or freeze to death in tundra. Fine-tuning at work.
Enlighting conversation. Learned a lot.
Holy reasonable caller, Batman!
This is what I like...an intelligent, polite disagreement, with the emphasis on intelligence from both sides.
i thought of the "trick" in a slightly different way: if you know derren brown (a famous magician) he can do amazing things like telling someone a phone number that that person knows out of the blue. he appears to read minds, although everybody knows it's a trick. in the same manner the universe appears to be fine tuned but actually that could be also a trick. in other words, suppose that all the constants of this universe are entangled and they can't be even slightly different, or there has to be something because "nothing" is unstable or if there is a multiverse this universe is not unique and most universes have properties analogous to this one. those are but 3 examples but there could be more conditions unknown to us so the appearance of design or fine tuning is just a trick.
A mature conversation!
omg tracey for the win!! a bullseye is not painting a target around a random missed shot
Hearing out loud you providing arguments that I had in my head, makes my day. And giving me hope that I can find friends that are able to think and not blindly believe whatever people tell them.
“I can’t think, therefore magic!”
Yup lol
The caller is wrong. Why would God revealing himself be based on a person's life? If they are good, they would deserve the revelation, and if they were bad, they should need it. It IS a copout, because there is never any reason for God to reveal himself. Yet, the bible says your whole eternal life depends on it. Tracie was so right about how easy it was for Paul, but the rest of us get no revelation, not even a prayer answered. How could we possibly be theists?? Is God hiding something, that he won't reveal himself?
What I would like to know is: Why do call-ins put their heads into a metal can for a echo effect? It is hard to take them seriously as a "tin man".
it's the aluminium foil.
That point by Matt on the blood magic on Jesus crucifixion is gold..can someone or the folks in ACA get that clip upload to tik tok..to get maximum coverage on TH-cam..
I love how this conversation started big with the universe and the fine-tuning argument and narrowed itself down to Christianity and the resurrection
his foundation for a belief, is another belief.
circular
If God puts people in situations to come to him, but those situations involve other people, then who's free will did God violate to make that situation happen?
If it was the first deck of cards he ever seen, that would match the analogy of the universe
Really like this caller. Great stuff from both caller and atheists
I fell like my brain understands this better when I'm "High"
If people think the universe is fine tuned for humans then why were the dinosaurs here before us....i think that atheists should emphasise this point more often.
A more pertinent question would be why is 99% of the universe uninhabitable for humans.
A theist could say "God created the universe for us at this time and for dinosaurs at their time." Then the Atheist could say "Then god created the universe for everything within it at each thing's time, which means we're no more special than some specific rock floating in intergalactic space 1 billion years ago."
They don’t believe in dinosaurs, at least the young eathers.
john doe Right? Why isn’t there oxygen all through space if the universe was fine tuned for us?
We did he force us animals to eat other living things to survive! A better god would have designed all living things to off off sunlight, or better yet his all pervasive spirit should easily be able sustain all life.
Oops! I forgot about “the fall” where we mere mortals (with the help of a talking snake) thwarted “God’ Perfect Plan” for the world.
How didn’t I once believe this nonsense!
To say the earth, let alone the universe, is fine tuned for us, completely ignores that fact that the planet is mostly covered in water we cannot drink, and cannot live for very long in.
Perhaps this is the billionth substantiation of a universe, each vastly different from the last and EVERY SINGLE ONE supported a lifeform of some sort. That would mean life is utterly pedestrian and occurs 100% of the time.
Take 13 cards from a deck while behind a screen, so that you cannot see the cards that were drawn. Now, tell me the significance of the cards that were drawn. It does not matter what the cards are in this scenario, but when the cards are then viewed, then they have significance in the world we make assumptions about.
Good analogy. Card decks are really handy in thought experiments.
God made a world where there is science,physics and so forth. But he makes himself totally out of the reach of that,but you should have faith in me. Sounds like we are being toyed with
And then just to be a real dick he intentionally created billions of years of fossils and did some really weird stuff with DNA just to make us think evolution is real.
Man is separated from God by his own chouce
@@raysalmon6566 yeah... he already said god seems to be fucking with us if it is real... So yeah in that situation of fucking course god is choosing to seperate itself from humanity
Precious metals are heated to separate the pure from the unpure . You have freewill and the choice is yours..
@@calebmauer1751 He toys with the wise..So called wise..lol
Huh, Tracie uses a great analogy; who knew? ;-)
(Kidding... I'm a big fan of Tracie's analogies.)
I wish all calls would go like this, but then again, those crazies that call in are entertaining.
I expected the concept of survivors bias to com up, but everyone managed to dance around it without actually calling it.
assigning agency reminded me of a silly thought I had about the birth of Jesus, maybe when the three wise men arrived at the barn they naturally assumed that the new born was the savour and the son of God, what if they were mistaken and it was actually a donkey in the barn, or one of the sheep.
Phill Holland the *real* fun fact about that is that Jesus of Nazareth was born in (surprise) Nazareth, *not* Bethlehem.
In the bible, king Herod orders a census that requires all citizens to return to their town of birth - this is how they changed Jesus’ birth location from Nazareth to Bethlehem.
Why add in this rewrite? Because prophecy says the son of god would be born in Bethlehem, not Nazareth. Which means Jesus of nazareth couldn’t be the son of god.
Then there are two glaring issues with this alleged census.
The first is that the census *did not* happen. We have historical census records - this one doesn’t exist.
The second issue is that Herod the great had been dead for about six years by the time he supposedly ordered this census.
How do you guarantee someone becomes an atheist? Study the bible!
When binge watching it helps to not hear the intro song every time Thanks
Lol. Yeah, intro song is pretty weak.
I could go the rest of my life and never hear it again Lol
One of the best episodes
One of the most reasonable callers I’ve heard on the show
Im sorry I can only see chaos....
The thing about the cosmos, specifically, is that a god cannot have created the cosmos, since this god is by definition a part of the cosmos. If there is a god, then something about the cosmos allows such a thing to exist, and is somehow the reason that it does exist.
At face value, you cannot argue that it's more possible for a cosmos to spontaneously produce/contain gods (which in turn creates universes) than universes.
Any argument for design implies a designer. And if the only explanation of that designer is "magic", that means that all design arguments don't have a leg to stand on.
Billions of actions and interactions take place all the time. Those actions and interactions that then move on or lead to further actions or an outcome are successful. So many do not lead to anything but by consequence we will never know about them.