1st Commandment Proves God is Opposed to Slavery | Matt - North Carolina | Atheist Experience 21.45
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- The Atheist Experience episode 21.45 for November 19, 2017 with Tracie Harris and Don Baker.
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This is simple. It’s called “cognitive dissonance “. They will do and say whatever they must in order to feel more comfortable within their religion
I've heard otherwise beautiful people say some disgusting things in order to defend their beliefs. So sad.
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It literally couldn't be simpler. It's written in the book. How sociopathic do you have to be to argue so calmly about this like he is. To be SO dishonest to put slavery on the same tier as divorce. I feel for his wife if that's the case because this is an awful human being if he is serious. But I get the feeling you are right and he is just plainly exhibiting cognitive dissonance. At least I really really hope so.
Not really a satisfactory definition of cognitive dissonance
Jesus, the mental hoops you have to jump through to justify christianity.
Jesus indeed
That's why I say they are more intelligent than I am. My brain can't handle that amount of mental gymnastics.
To zero in on or specifically target christianity is unfair. Especially when what they were talking about was Jewish law. My point is it's not just christianity, it's any religion and the belief in one or many gods that you have to jump through mental hoops to justify it. Think of it this way, belief in god or gods is the Olympics and all the different religions are the different events in the Olympics and each competitor in each individual discipline, has to perform different mental gymnastics to justify their particular sport/religion.
Spencer Oldham
You need to work on your cognitive flexibility 😉
I guess it is time to re-write the Bible accordig to Dnald Trump's standards, in our times so we can avoid unnecessary discrepancies.
I never ceases to amaze me how religion can completely destroy a person's ability to reason and think rationally. Very sad.
It is sad.
It is that way with a cult of personality just like we are seeing in politics today. When some can tell you they have “alternative facts “ and at least 30 percent of the people agree with that we have a real problem.
Slavery is the number one reason I had to walk away from this nonsense.
Respect! Free you mind and your ass will follow
My number one reason for leaving theism is because no gods are observed nor proved to be real.
Well... my first thing was women needs to shut up and endure pain because of apples and then I saw the green light on slavery and I was like oh.. i tap out.
Mine:
Threatening people who don’t believe with eternal torture. Noah’s flood/young Earth Creationist conmen. Talking snakes and donkeys. The exodus never happened. Slavery, incest, rape, genocide in the Bible. To name a few.
Me too
this guy is the tap-dancing CHAMPION
Fred Astaire, eat your heart out.
Tap dance. My favorite after river dance.
There's something I like to eat that smells like shrimp.
This is a tap dancing show.
Actually, he's not very good at tap-dancing, witness how Tracie illuminated his sophistry in about two dozen ways. But he is relentless---or stubborn if you prefer. Such self-righteous persistence comes out of dishonesty about what the bible explicitly says. For Chistsakes, has he not read the text?
"Let me ignore any points you make, and muddy the water as a response every single time"
That’s exactly how I felt. I wanted to punch the damn guy.
If you're determined to be a Christian, you have to defend the bible, whatever it takes. So, hold on to your seat.
Hold no other GODS before me - sounds as if God is saying there are more Gods then just him...
He (god) does admit that the Egyptian gods exist in the Moses stories.
It just means that all gods are actually only one, that there are no lower, particular and inferior gods.
@@willemrm4033 and that means you are just tap dancing!
@@jimvernie Nevertheless, most people got/get the message of that commandment, as it doesn't imply what it sounds to you. "Gods" implies anything one might or does idolize as a god, even material things, except the one and only god .
Bible is full of other gods, try reading it
I freed you from slavery. But I didn't say you can't own slaves.
Sounds like the god of slaves and slave owners really.
Yeah... my reaction is... 'Fuck you sir! Fuck you very much'
NOONE has the right to prohibit a man from owning slaves. you can only prohibit a slave from owning slaves.
You make an excellent point. I never thought of that. Thank you.
@@gerychkhangus Humans are primates, and yeah I have the right to say people should not ever own other people... Your morality seems the idiotic one...
This guy is 100% attempting to justify _to himself_ why slavery is condoned in the Bible. His efforts have nothing to do with convincing Matt, Traci, Don or anyone else.
Irrelevant because the Jews were never enslaved in Egypt to begin with.
Excellent point.
But muh book of fantasy says they were, and muh book of fantasy is true because it says it's true!!! ~ every Christian ever.
I need to look into this more but isn't it just the exodus as its described isn't supported by historical findings? I didn't think that we determined there were no jewish slaves in egypt.
To our knowledge there were no slaves in Egypt as they had no need for them since their culture was based on many people with many skills. We know for a fact that the pyramids as well as temples etc. were built by well paid and well fed craftsman.
Michael Fox the Egyptians did keep slaves. Some were criminals that broke the law others were prisoners of war who refused to swear fealty to the Pharaoh. Most were put to work in the quarry’s.
"Don't own people as property."
"Slavery is wrong."
"Thou shalt not own people."
"Slavery is outlawed."
"Thou shalt not own slaves or engage in slavery."
Etc., etc.
How freaking hard would it be to just say one of those? Why ask people to extrapolate something (that is totally not there, btw) from another commandment?
Just like all religions christianity is man made . And the men that invented christianity enslaved other people . That's why you're not allowed to eat shellfish or wear mixed fabrics according to the bible . But it's permitted to own slaves . It's hard to believe there is actually a god that's capable of creating the universe and everything in it . And yet be so stupidly insane and confusing when it comes to dealing with his so called favorite creations . If the christian god were actually real I'd want nothing to do with it .
That dude made a point of not calling when Matt was on because he knows he would have been owned (pun definitely intended). Tracy and the other guy were not particularly good here and talking over each other. They make you realise how good Matt is at bringing callers to the doorstep of their own stupidity..
Honestly, all Matt would have to say is "Why did you have to interpret that? Why wasn't it explicit, like thou shalt not kill?" Cause that would be a TOUGH question to even do gymnastics around.
He originally called in to Matt
@@denverarnold6210 Oh, theists hop around it with ease.
The ability to “hop” isn’t an indication of how good a debater is, just how shameless he is.
The Egyptians were pretty good at keeping records, so where is the historic and archaeological evidence for the exodus?
Good luck with an answer for that one.
@@SolarisKane
Same goes for the chineese
Nowhere ..............
Alan Simmons; God loves you, so if you keep doubting that he does, he will allow you to be tortured forever, and on top of that, he will add insult to injury by telling everyone that your eternal torment is your own fault. God's love is real dude !
@@jamesguilford6807 Only "god" is a fairy-tale ! ................
Slaves should obey their masters. Didn't Jesus say that.
Shhh go to sleep
God and Moses freed the slaves!!!!
@@joakkley9659 no
J Oakkley there are still slaves today u moron. Start looking and learning outside ur bubble
God will punish them and the law=!!!!
The atheist experience should be shown in our public school systems on a continous loop!
"In Egypt they would have eaten shrimp"
This image made my day, idk why. Just so perfectly flaccid as a point.
I can never understand how anybody can think divorce is wrong. Two people living together and are unhappy is not a good way to go. Either fix the relationship or move on
If you're taught that marriage is very important, it makes sense that divorce is wrong. Similar to finding murder wrong because life is important, or abortion because the fetus has a soul or whatever.
These mental gymnastics can give birth to dubious ideas.
Love how this guy thinks he's smart.
dan brooks so what you're saying is, you're a dumbass in Real Life too!
Is preventing the enslavement of people more important than dietary restrictions?
“Well, they were in Egypt so they would’ve eaten shrimp”
Well, you can’t deny that logic.
Welp, can't deny that logic. Thank you for this comment, lol.
I read your comment early in the video and thought you were just making a joke that I didn’t get. Then I listened on...
I haven’t heard the thing about the devil living in the sea before. Is that legit?
@@stroller3258 Yeah, I'll like to know that too. I only know of pineapples under the sea but not the devil.
The shellfish thing was also due to the amount of bacteria that was in shrimp and stuff that kills people when not cooked fully. Probably took it as a bad omen when people would die from them
It was either in 12 Years a Slave or Django Unchained where they guy was holding up the bible as justification while he brutalized his slaves. The slave trade was justified and warranted by passages in the bible such as Exodus 21.
In Uncle Tom's Cabin- a novel that is hardly without severe problems, even if it is pro-abolition- the Christian author refers several times (and I believe in the introduction, too, where this is more clearly clarified) that the church as a whole is profoundly pro-slavery.
It was Stowe's intention to change this as she was painfully aware that Christianity was not just allowing slavery in thrive as it was endorsing and justifying it.
Like so many Christians she saw this as a failure of man and not with the bible, hers is just one of the many examples that show that historically the church has supported slavery with a few outliers who were often heavily persecuted.
Stowe was sent a human ear, from some poor black person, a savegery committed by a devout slave owner wanting to teach her a lesson. The horror of it all matches the profound irony as it only proves how utter inhuman slavery was.
Yep. "That slave shall be beaten with many stripes". And "Sin? There is no sin. Man does as he pleases with his property."
In Django also
The slave trade was not limited to xtian slave owners or the transatlantic trade from africa to the americas. It existed many generations prior to that and included local, regional african slavery, european slavery, asian slavery. Slavery still exists worldwide today.
@@ravarga4631 and it was qualitatively different in terms of its function in society. The slave trade literally went from selling prisoners of war and criminals to kidnapping regular, dark skinned people because of the economic demands put on the continent by the transatlantic trade. On top of that there are typically traditions of exoneration like the jubilee that make chattel slavery worse.
If someone says 'Matt destroyed his own argument' , I'm instantly both skeptical and intrigued. The former because it's Matt is very thorough and so this is unlikely, but he's human so he can make mistakes. The second because if Matt actually makes a mistake somewhere, I'm very likely to also make it, and so I can learn from that and improve.
I love how no-nonsense Don is, dude is hilarious.
i can imagine him growing up in a secular household makes these beliefs absolutely ridiculous lol
The reference to God bringing the Israelites out of slavery as his forbidding slavery, there are three problems.
1. Calling himself the god who brought "his" people out of slavery is used only to describe God, it is not a command.
2. It only describes saving "his" people, it doesn't say that enslaving others is bad. He later condones - even orders - his people taking slaves. Jesus said "Slaves, obey your masters".
3. Historical evidence points to the fact that the Israelites were never enslaved by Egypt.
just the three?
Kevin The Bold what has always bothered me is that god did play favorites and all his favorite people had favorite sons. As a parent I find that shameful and disgusting.
4. He let them go into slavery in the first place If it happened which it didn't.
5. You don't get to claim the moral high ground by stopping doing something you know you shouldn't have been doing in the first place.
The Dunning Kruger effect is strong with this one...
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Weakest argument I've ever heard.
That mess was an argument?
In the beginning was the word and the word was with bird and the b-b-b-bird is the word.
J. Wilson 😂😂😂😂🙈
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@@ernestthomas9090 In the beginning was the word, and the word was "Gullible"
Damnit! Now I have that song in my head!
@@cade377 Me too ...........
And you guys are way too fucking nice. You should have called him out from the beginning. This is why I love Matt.
I'm from NC and I can say I run into people like this guy all the time. They walk around thinking they are better than everyone while being morally bankrupt and oblivious.
You shouldn't take calls from this Matt guy anymore. He keeps calling and trying to make the same old tired points over and over. It's really just annoying at this point.
A one man PRATT.
Isn’t doing the same thing over an over expecting a different result is the definition of insanity! Matt is clearly nutty.
He's as thick as two short planks.
Amazing the mental gymnastics theists will perform so that they don’t have to be honest about that terrible book and the disgusting things written in it by ignorant, superstitious people.
I'm reminded of a scene in a movie where one guy is about to be killed, but another guy steps in and saves him. But that was _not_ because he is against murder. It's because he wanted to murder that guy himself, and nobody should do it but him. Same here. 'I don't want the Israelites to be slaves. I want them to be the slave owners.'
This is cognitive dissonance at its finest.
He's in far to much denial for that to have an effect on him.
More cherry picking the bible where it clearly says.....
J. Wilson how is it that people from centuries later “know” what the author intended to write or how the content “should” actually be interpreted supersede the person who actually wrote it
Indoctrination down south is probably stronger than anywhere in the u.s. and maybe on the planet...if ur a non-believer u r 4 sure a minority.. their life is engulfed in their beliefs..they don't call it the Bible belt 4 nothing.. crazyyyyyy down there..
This is so funny and heart breaking at the same time.
Take away the fear and you have Atheists.
uhhhhh, No takes more than that.....
And this is the problem with confirmation bias. You have a belief and then you go seeking out information to confirm your belief rather than taking a comprehensive evaluation of all the facts
The Christian Bible also says, “Slaves obey your master with the same fear and obedience you give me”.
Exactly, this should read his Bible once again!!
I love return calls that Matt destroyed and than they call back and misrepresent his position
How can this so called “god” condone any form of bad treatment of one of his creations unless the man/men who wrote these books put their “own” beliefs in it, which is most likely the case.
this Matt is in a debate group in FB claiming he owned Matt Dillahunty to this day smh
Gross
@@MartinIsRunning I know right lol
And he’s still saying the same shit today - claiming that he destroyed Dillahunty.
Can someone direct me to that debate group, please.
Freddie Brooks
Can you please direct me to that Facebook debate group?
8:00 8:04 awesome. Don did ask "did the 10 commandments apply to people who were not Israelites?" It did NOT get answered at this point. That should have been requestioned.
You can make Magic the Gathering trading cards of questions callers absolutely dodge and refuse to acknowledge, much less answer honestly!!
He says that god is weak cause he lets Man decide whether or not to keeps slaves.
This is what Matt means.
"Martin Luther King junior and FDK used the bible to argue against slavery, what are they seeing that you aren't"?
Well they walked right up to the cherry tree and picked aaaaaaaaall the cherries off, picked a cherry here and picked a cherry there. Then they said there was no tree, only cherries and kept pointing at the cherries and SCREAMING LOUDY AND COVERING THEIR EARS whenever someone pointed at the tree 😊
Hold on… Did this guy just put slavery and divorce in the same category? 🤦🏻♀️
T. Rex Even as a kid, I always thought that sounded crazy. I used to say to my mom, “So, I could say a bad word or kill somebody and it would be the same?“ She would just get mad at the question.
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Although, the only supposedly unforgivable sin is not believing in their claimed-yet-unproven god. Murdering someone is forgivable, but not believing is unforgivable. To me, that reeks of the biggest pile of bull manure, and it also adds credibility to gods being fabricated instead of being real.
Comments Now Available I totally agree.
Stacy H. Yes he did.
@@commentsnowavailable8021 Yup, well said.
Yeah Matt, that's a good question; how did they come to those conclusions? I know the answer but you need to find out yourself. My advice to you is to go to the UMass Amherst library online where they archive the abolitionist writings. Do some research that you should have done before you walked back into the arena.
Fair warning: what I found in those archives led me to atheism.
I said it on a different video and I will say it again.. aggressive stupidity is terrifying.
Since the god-creators had slaves, the god they created had to be ok with it. This is sad.
Knock knock...
Who's there?
It's Jesus... let me in!
Why?
So I can save you!
Save me from what?
From what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in!
So true.
Let JESUS into your heart or BURN IN HELL FOREVER.
REPENT OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER!
So true!!!!🤣🤣🤣
The caller does not understand what Tracy is saying.
@Hillary's emails to Lorne How do you know Christians don`t usually listen to the ACA hosts?
@Hillary's emails to Lorne Responses. Matt from Hicksville tries desperately to avoid answering the questions on slavery posed by Tracey. I would like to know how you know that Matt (A) Did not hear (audibly) the question, or (B) Heard the question yet choose to ignore it. Why then did he throughout the session defend the Bible on the subject of slavery??? Perhaps you can answer it. Is slavery moral.
Hearing the guys laughing in the background is awesome.
These callers always have the same voice like a robot just spewing out programmed words.
No other GODs but me. Isnt that implying other GODs exsist
12:45
So is he trying to say that God expected the people to know better? Meaning that God really didn't know what was going to happen?
1 Peter 2:18
“Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.”
Long time, I didn’t, see Tracie, Lady, with beautiful Voice, and a clear critical Logic.
Surely Tracie stripped this guy one handedly
You ROCK Tracy!
So slaves are sinners for disobeying the First Commandment even though they became slaves unwillingly. What a great religion.
It's amazing what intellectual hoops people will jump through just to cling to some idea they've inherited.
God brought the Israelites out of slavery, yet he had no problems with the institution of slavery itself, hence the explicit regulation of slavery in Exodus. An eternally wise god should have no problem devising an economic system that isn’t exploitive and dehumanizing, and a benevolent god would want to.
An almighty god does not need his creation to worship him..
Ok, so this guys interpretation of the 1st commandment: "thou shalt have only ONE slave master, ME, your GOD!"
Don is out of control in this one.
Do Matt and Tracy really need a cohost?
“Love me or die.”
Yeah, that seems really “anti slavery” lmao
This caller is in serious denial.
This guy got his ass handed to him on a plate. Got angry, wanted to even up the slate by ringing back when Matt wasn't there...and got his ass handed to him on a plate
A primer on no critical thinking skill from "Matt" in N.C.
His argument doesn't make sense. He is implying that we are slaves to God oh, but I thought God gave us free will? A slave doesn't have free will. And if there was a god a God would not be equivalent to a slave owner. Unless you were Yahweh then you would be a slave owner to the Christians and you would not have free will because he says what you can and can't do and if you don't you go to hell as punishment that's not free will anyway
Watching this for the 4th time. Still excited.
The shimp -thing was really good advice though. There probably wasn't properly controlled supply chain and those things can be deadly after few hours away from cold chain.
The point is the bible says pro and anti-slavery, so therefore it's inerrant. How the hell (no pun intended) do people not realise it's silly especially by the time your old enough to have critical thinking ie about 11.
You never get pastors reading the crazy points of the bible. Funny that.
Using the bible to refute the bible hmmm...seems right to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Just because god took a bunch of people out of slavery doesn't mean he is opposed to it. He's basically saying "look, I did you a favour, worship me".
God was boasting he took the Israelite's out of bondage so they owed him. THEN the payback was that they should worship him above all other gods, not they should worship only him, period.(funny that; but could have been lost in translation) There is no connection between the first commandment and slavery, within that commandment.
Oh, my god. This guy continues to rationalize his arguments. I barely made it through this discussion.
God didn't only allow them to take slaves, he told them to.
My head hurts
8:29 "Well then gods a fuckup!" Would make a great T shirt.
I ate shrimp last week I guess I am more immoral than a slave owner... xD
Me too. I was wearing mixed fabrics, as I was eating shrimp. Sh!t. That makes me twice as immoral as a slave owner.
These 2 hosts shouldn't work together - they constantly talk over each other - Don being the worst.
Tracie is actually the culprit. I have seen her with Matt acting as such sometimes.
Don should do something else. He is a very nice guy but just cannot articulate what he is trying to say. Most of the time he says nothing when with matt.
Made it 4 mins before I couldn't take him anymore. Guy takes " I rescued you from slavery" in essentially a preamble to override the specifics of slavery in Exodus 21. That's a perfect example in how religion allows you to read anything you want into it.
I dont know if i should be mad or feel sorry for this man.
Of Course N.Carolina justifying slavery.
SpiderFang Yeah it sucks being an atheist here. Hard to find likeminded people here.
I'm from here and would NEVER approve of,or endorse,slavery.
North Carolina atheist here 🙋♀️
And somehow people like Mark Meadows keeps getting elected to represent us.
Jeremy Clark most ‘Christians’ don’t endorse it. They just compartmentalizations it and don’t talk about it. When confronted with it they reason it away. “It’s a different kind of slavery”. “ If you twist this verse enough you can read into that god didn’t condone it”. “ They would do it anyway”. Some of these Christians tap dance their asses off trying to justify there superstition.
Is god like trump, he says it but doesn't mean it....very apt.
frogstamper I think it’s called mental gymnastics 😂
No, he's more like Hillary, he says one thing in public, and something else in private with donors.
MrChiangching
What has god said in private? In your desperation to defend Trump and use Hillary in your analogy makes nonsense of your comment. There has to be a connection between defending the deplorable actions of god in the Bible and the actions of the Deplorable-in-Chief...
@@WilliamMorfin l don't give crap about Trump, didn't vote for him, however I detest the Hildabeast and moron's like you even more.
MrChiangching
Why, because we expect coherent statements from people?
This Matt guy is part of a joint Facebook debate group. Once cornered he like clockwork lies for his God, and then claims victory on his personal page. His desperation is transparent AF.
''I admit divorce is wrong too.'' Divorce isn't wrong.
In a nutshell:
"If God endorses slavery, then he's immoral.
Therefore, God doesn't endorse slavery.
No matter what."
This person is a bad person and he should feel bad.
I agree ....... But to the alleged christian god , this guy is just fine .
When you go straight to looking for an excuse rather than looking at the evidence in the verses.
In a society where slavery was prevalent, it should he thinks it was common knowledge that slavery was wrong? When the laws of god condone slavery?
Genesis 6:6
Jubilee Bible 2000
"And the LORD repented of having made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."
God made a mistake and repented? God is not perfect?😕
An all knowing perfect God should not make mistakes because if he is truly an "All knowing God" then he would have known that the creation of man would not be perfect. God flooded the whole entire earth to only save a couple people to only get those same couple of people to repopulate the earth?.. ( Sounds like I huge mistake to me.😏)
And if that is true who else would have lived to tell about it? God flooded the whole entire world and how was Noah and the animals plus the others in the ark able to breathe oxygen without any trees 🌲 to give oxygen? Everything was covered in water no plant life=no oxygen
No oxygen =No oxygen breathing beings are able to live because they cannot breath without OXYGEN. 🤷🏽♂️ I'm not looking for a debate just wanted to point out my 💡 😀 critical thinking moment. Also God asked Satan where did he come from in
Job 1:7 "
The Lord asked Satan, "Where have you come from?" "From roaming through the earth," Satan answered Him, "and walking around on it." I thought Satan was a serpent I'm Genesis so now I'm Job Satan is "walking?"
If I serve a God that is supposed to protect me and know everything about me then why does God have to ask Satan where did he come from?.. I don't want to serve a God that has to ask my enemy where he came from.😂 🤷🏽♂️ I choose not to beLIEve.
Most of the oxygen you breath does not come from trees.
In any case if God can magically create a boat than can hold millions of species, it should have problems creating extra magical oxygen for them.
Leave the poor shrimp laws alone. They didn't have fridges and there was evidence of god punishing shrimp eaters ^^
"Here's another question" The classic bolt-hole.
If "Mental Gymnastics: is a real Olympic event... Christians would be racking in all the gold medals.
They say smart people can go from A to C without B. This guy goes from A to Z not giving a shit about the other letteres. He`s a genius 🤣🤣🤣
I wish I owned this guy. I’d straighten him right out. Oh... wait... never mind.
Charlie Cross, I use a method of beating them to death that takes three days to kill them, so I’m covered. CYA and all...
no, no. If we follow his own ethos, beat him raw.....
I'm just glad these people are thinking about this stuff, hopefully it'll lead them to logical conclusions
Very few of them think about this stuff.
90+ % of the callers to this show seem to be from “Dixie.”