Bring back forest management as well! Let's not just plan for the fire, Let's work to protect our forests that help keep us alive and our planet clean!
When there is no actual video, one wonders just how real it is. Several different agencies have to conduct tests on how these chemicals will interact with our ecosphere prior to testing.
Oh god. How soon until we start seeing the infomercials to call the number on the screen if you have been affected by the foam from fairchild Airforce base??
@PhilosophicalHermeticstudy: You are obviously not aware of what a wildfire does to the ground. As a result of the Camp Fire, the top 18" to 24" of top soil at the location of a home had to be removed because of toxic materials that had leached into soil as materials melted. I don't think water based foam is going to be anywhere near as destructive as allowing the wildfire to continue burning because some know-it-all was worried about contamination.
I'm more concerned about the accumulative undergrowth/fuels they continue to built through suppression over the last decades. As for the foam, as long as it's biodegradable, it should be fine.. but I haven't seen any data on composition. I think it was Italy a few years back..? They're using collapsible cardboard boxes that can be loaded then filled with suppressant/water on ANY cargo plane without modification... just roll them out the back and onto the fire, all biodegradable. The US refuses to even look at it because it's a cost effective means of fighting fires.
Kindly, caterpillar makes a water cannon truck…they hold 20000 gals + , they are built to drive over rough terrain . Cat is itching to lease these, the USD of AGRICULTURE says they are inefficient. SMH
I don’t think you realize how rough the terrain can be. On our 40 acres we have a ravine that on one side goes down gently 168 feet drop over 300 feet and the other side is 300 feet vertical at about 70 degree angle, rocky and loose rock and heavy forest. People that don’t live in these areas have no real concept of the degree of difficulty to access these areas
@@chrisfleming701 sure I am, but I’m pretty sure you have no idea how steep some terrain is. And how slow this equipment moves especially with a full load. May I ask where you live. Because a lot of people have ideas about things without the actual on the ground knowledge I run equipment on my property Excavators have a top speed of 7mph. So if it’s steep terrain and the fire is 6 miles from unloading area it’s not gonna get there nearly as quickly as air attack. I know for a fact, the operator wouldn’t even try to work our ravine. And fires burn up hill quick and down hill slowly. I have had to work a fire line on my property. There are lots of things that people in flat land and cities have no concept of.
They’re missing the key issue. You can’t let fires get big. Aerial firefighting equipment needs a large rapid response to immediately contain a fire until ground crews can get there and put it out completely. We have hundreds of 747 sized aircraft mothballed in the desert which could be converted and distributed at military bases around the state. We have hundreds of chinook helicopters not being used. Only one “The Hammer” is in use for the entire state.
We use large aircraft I’ve been through a bad fire. Had a retrofitted 747 come over and do a drop. What you don’t understand is they are not very maneuverable at low speeds. I monitor the scanners. The 747 needs a lead plane to go in front of it because it can’t pull up and out of a situation quickly and needs an advance. We also are using every kind of helicopter you can imagine. I’ve seen twin rotars, but they aren’t nimble either. We now have a fleet of Firehawks, which are converted Blackhawks they have capabilities to suck up and drop much more water 1000 gallons and can drop snorkel and refill from body of water in 60 seconds Vs the old Huey’s that could only carry around 300-400 gallons in bucket dangling below. I live one ridge over from a cal fire station in NorCal and have watched both work. The old ones had a bucket that you dipped with then had to maneuver with it up and out. Grab a five gallon bucket of water and swing it around and you will get an idea of the difficulty. And the pilot can’t see the bucket 100 feet below. Had to use mirrors, it was incredible to watch but not terribly efficient. Now the fire hawk Carries water in belly payload and are also night capable. This is big as fires lay down more at night and provide a better chance of making real progress. All planes and up to now all aircraft have had to be on the ground by sunset. Google “Firehawk” and Lockheed Martin site will come up with the Sikorsky
It’s interesting that Larry Sukay, as the founder of Western States Fire and developer of SkHI-EX, promotes the advanced wildfire suppression technology without addressing environmental concerns. SkHI-EX, like many firefighting foams, may have advantages in efficiency and fire control, but environmental impacts should always be considered. Historically, firefighting foams, particularly AFFF, have raised environmental red flags due to the presence of PFAS (per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances), which are persistent chemicals linked to environmental and health issues. Even newer fire suppression technologies must address concerns about runoff contamination, effects on soil and water, and impacts on ecosystems. For any wildfire suppression technology, it’s crucial to strike a balance between effectiveness and sustainability. In the future, industry leaders like Sukay may face pressure to highlight the eco-safety of their innovations as environmental regulations and public awareness grow.
I remember the day foam was going to be used, but due to the cost California didn’t want to invest in it. So sad, think of the millions of dollars you could have saved, the lives, the land, animals the areas. It takes people to see the vision and invest in it.
Only thing new here is the method of application, AFFF has been around for a long time and has now been banned in some counties because of the contaminants
I think for the worst fire prone areas they should plant lines of Japanese knot weed we call them water weed because they are bamboo like plants an the whole inner tube is filled with water, I don't think even a gas fire would burn them, even the strongest over the counter brush killer (poison) doesn't kill them because of all the water they store in the stem. It would help with land slides too their roots are powerful they bore through concrete like it's styrofoam.
Ha, CAL fire a state job welfare agency, Calis mismanagement of wild lands is issue, along with idiot zoning and building permits . No one else seems to these problems, maybe let Mother Nature burn off the combustibles regularly instead od shaming every flame😂😊
California spents a lot energy to make something to fix a problem that logging helps control. NAH lets spray asbestos from a helicopter and pay BILLIONS instead😂
Ohh boy, 24 hour durability? FD's all over have dumped foam due to those awesome forever chemicals. Time to do the proving first. They can barely afford to pay for the aircraft.
As long as this foam does not contain any forever chemicals, which in the past firefighting foams have contained large amounts of these obnoxious chemicals! Would be good if the superficial news anchors could actually put a few thoughts together in relation to what sort of impact this is going to have on the environment if it contains obnoxious, long, lasting chemical residues!
So nice of you to speculate, can you speak to the chemicals? What are they and what are their environmental effects? We are standing by for concise answers.
90s - Save the trees, leave nature alone! Stop the lumber industry! 20s - Save us from the trees, nature is choking us! Stop global warming! 30s - Everyone still choking of smoke, not being able to afford a house because lumber is so expensive.
Foam in the Fire Service has been proven problematic. What chemicals are being used ? What negative consequences occur from inhalation, contact, ingestion ? Trading a naturally occurring disaster for a man made environmental disaster is not forward progress. As always the devils in the details and hopefully they'll really dig into the details before everyone else has to find out the hard way.
How about the water cargo boxes that fit standard cargo planes..made by a Californian company and used all over except there due to politics!? How about sonic technology that has demonstrated fire can be extinguished by college students and Charles Kellogg..who could use his voice to put flames out! Documented stuff!! Look into it
Try old tech. Do under brush controlled burns. They worked then they stopped doing them
There’s no money in fire prevention, but millions for fire fighting!
@@rbwoodwork1890 create a problem & sell the solution
@@rbwoodwork1890 disaster capitalism, sad.
Yes we ndns did a lot of the back in the day before the us government criminalized it and bashed it (USFS)
Bring back forest management as well! Let's not just plan for the fire, Let's work to protect our forests that help keep us alive and our planet clean!
Imagine huge vacuum cleaners the size of a city block slurping up the flammable debris on the forest floor.
He compared it against dropping water. Why didn't he instead compare it against some of the other foam supressants already out there?
When there is no actual video, one wonders just how real it is. Several different agencies have to conduct tests on how these chemicals will interact with our ecosphere prior to testing.
The last thing the world needs is more PFAS foam everywhere
The last thing we need is more people who don't know what they're talking about and don't do any homework and just make dumb assumptions
Class A foam is not Pfas
@@alco4248 exactly, it's stunning how people just make such silly assumptions.
It's not PFAS, a new plant based foam.
This works great on cgi fires!
The advantage is that fire suppression is improved by just adding millions of more triangles.
Millions of acres in micro soft flight sim are now safe . LoL 😂
Wonder if it’s toxic like the foam used in Fairchild Air Force base near Spokane Wa.
Oh god. How soon until we start seeing the infomercials to call the number on the screen if you have been affected by the foam from fairchild Airforce base??
The foam used for aircraft firefighting has traditionally been AFFF. This is class A foam, which is totally different.
Goats. The solution is herds of goats. We can spend every spring herding goats to clear the brush and then have great bbq come summer time.
Does the foam cause cancer?
yes, if you believe it does. Same for every other substance you suspect of cancer. ESPECIALLY oxygen.
No way!! Because you know California, they don’t use or let anything in that is known to the state of California to cause cancer!!🙄🙄
Yes, it's also radioactive and releases laser beams
@@boblatkey7160 have you heard of AFFF? It was used for decades fighting fire and now is directly linked to cancer in firefighters.
@@boblatkey7160 I was all for it until you mentioned laser beams.................lol
Wonder what effects it has on soaking into ground then water contamination 🤔 love new technologies but there’s always a but.
USUAL SUSPECTS
That red stuff they drop now is carcinogenic. Soaking into ground water… into our food, CA is a bread basket. Not that we want the state to burn.
@PhilosophicalHermeticstudy: You are obviously not aware of what a wildfire does to the ground. As a result of the Camp Fire, the top 18" to 24" of top soil at the location of a home had to be removed because of toxic materials that had leached into soil as materials melted. I don't think water based foam is going to be anywhere near as destructive as allowing the wildfire to continue burning because some know-it-all was worried about contamination.
I'm more concerned about the accumulative undergrowth/fuels they continue to built through suppression over the last decades. As for the foam, as long as it's biodegradable, it should be fine.. but I haven't seen any data on composition.
I think it was Italy a few years back..? They're using collapsible cardboard boxes that can be loaded then filled with suppressant/water on ANY cargo plane without modification... just roll them out the back and onto the fire, all biodegradable. The US refuses to even look at it because it's a cost effective means of fighting fires.
Current retardant is toxic to fish.
Kindly, caterpillar makes a water cannon truck…they hold 20000 gals + , they are built to drive over rough terrain . Cat is itching to lease these, the USD of AGRICULTURE says they are inefficient. SMH
yep, no one has paid politicians to make an exception for them. Maybe they should bake bread so Newsom will help them out.
I don’t think you realize how rough the terrain can be. On our 40 acres we have a ravine that on one side goes down gently 168 feet drop over 300 feet and the other side is 300 feet vertical at about 70 degree angle, rocky and loose rock and heavy forest. People that don’t live in these areas have no real concept of the degree of difficulty to access these areas
@@Oldcrow77I don’t think you realize Caterpillar equipment is already used for wild-land fire fighting.
@@chrisfleming701 sure I am, but I’m pretty sure you have no idea how steep some terrain is. And how slow this equipment moves especially with a full load. May I ask where you live. Because a lot of people have ideas about things without the actual on the ground knowledge
I run equipment on my property
Excavators have a top speed of 7mph. So if it’s steep terrain and the fire is 6 miles from unloading area it’s not gonna get there nearly as quickly as air attack.
I know for a fact, the operator wouldn’t even try to work our ravine.
And fires burn up hill quick and down hill slowly. I have had to work a fire line on my property.
There are lots of things that people in flat land and cities have no concept of.
@@chrisfleming701 by the way, if you do a search on YT for these cats in use. You won’t find any video of them in steep terrain.
What’s the price of your product? Is it as cheap as water?
So they re-invented Phos-Chek. Threat red liquid you see when dropped from aircraft around fires, its foam as well. Great job well very done.
If not burnt, then it’s better to encase everything with contaminated foam?
They’re missing the key issue. You can’t let fires get big. Aerial firefighting equipment needs a large rapid response to immediately contain a fire until ground crews can get there and put it out completely. We have hundreds of 747 sized aircraft mothballed in the desert which could be converted and distributed at military bases around the state.
We have hundreds of chinook helicopters not being used. Only one “The Hammer” is in use for the entire state.
The bigger the plane the bigger the costs. At the end of the day it all comes down to operating costs.
We use large aircraft
I’ve been through a bad fire.
Had a retrofitted 747 come over and do a drop.
What you don’t understand is they are not very maneuverable at low speeds. I monitor the scanners. The 747 needs a lead plane to go in front of it because it can’t pull up and out of a situation quickly and needs an advance.
We also are using every kind of helicopter you can imagine. I’ve seen twin rotars, but they aren’t nimble either.
We now have a fleet of Firehawks, which are converted Blackhawks they have capabilities to suck up and drop much more water 1000 gallons and can drop snorkel and refill from body of water in 60 seconds Vs the old Huey’s that could only carry around 300-400 gallons in bucket dangling below.
I live one ridge over from a cal fire station in NorCal and have watched both work.
The old ones had a bucket that you dipped with then had to maneuver with it up and out. Grab a five gallon bucket of water and swing it around and you will get an idea of the difficulty.
And the pilot can’t see the bucket 100 feet below. Had to use mirrors, it was incredible to watch but not terribly efficient.
Now the fire hawk Carries water in belly payload and are also night capable. This is big as fires lay down more at night and provide a better chance of making real progress. All planes and up to now all aircraft have had to be on the ground by sunset.
Google “Firehawk” and Lockheed Martin site will come up with the Sikorsky
We already have foam systems like this.
Cancer Foam nice
Nice commercial
Proper fire management would negates all this nonsense.
So, just an FYI, "Fire Season" in the western USA, is all year long now days.
Looks great just tell me it doesn't contain pfas chemicals ?
It’s interesting that Larry Sukay, as the founder of Western States Fire and developer of SkHI-EX, promotes the advanced wildfire suppression technology without addressing environmental concerns. SkHI-EX, like many firefighting foams, may have advantages in efficiency and fire control, but environmental impacts should always be considered.
Historically, firefighting foams, particularly AFFF, have raised environmental red flags due to the presence of PFAS (per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances), which are persistent chemicals linked to environmental and health issues. Even newer fire suppression technologies must address concerns about runoff contamination, effects on soil and water, and impacts on ecosystems.
For any wildfire suppression technology, it’s crucial to strike a balance between effectiveness and sustainability. In the future, industry leaders like Sukay may face pressure to highlight the eco-safety of their innovations as environmental regulations and public awareness grow.
I'm so glad Texas manages its forest properly and don't have to use chemicals that contaminate everything.
Texas doesn't have a forest! Silly
@@bradbutcher3984 East Texas is forested.
Texas also has not had a single koala bear death in the wild since becoming a state.
I remember the day foam was going to be used, but due to the cost California didn’t want to invest in it. So sad, think of the millions of dollars you could have saved, the lives, the land, animals the areas. It takes people to see the vision and invest in it.
How is expanding foam more environmentally friendly than water?
when fighting fires becomes big business, we will se fires continue indefinitely and grow more extreme despite climate change.
Only thing new here is the method of application, AFFF has been around for a long time and has now been banned in some counties because of the contaminants
This ia class A foam, not AFFF
And what is the affect on the wildlife after.....
Shocked me that the environment portion was at the end.
The aim is good, but still gotta prove that the invention doesn't create a new problem to solve.
It's also a fire prevention tool. Nothing grows back therefore preventing future fires.
If nothing grows back doesnt that tell you its toxic?
Waste of money. Air shows don't put out fires. Large dozers only way to go.
Hope it’s not the most efficient way to dump PFAS to the ground firefighters
The first step would be to maintain the forests, that includes logging the dead and dying trees!
What's in the foam?
I think for the worst fire prone areas they should plant lines of Japanese knot weed we call them water weed because they are bamboo like plants an the whole inner tube is filled with water, I don't think even a gas fire would burn them, even the strongest over the counter brush killer (poison) doesn't kill them because of all the water they store in the stem. It would help with land slides too their roots are powerful they bore through concrete like it's styrofoam.
More environmentally friendly? Firefighting foam has PFAS in it.
Ha, CAL fire a state job welfare agency, Calis mismanagement of wild lands is issue, along with idiot zoning and building permits . No one else seems to these problems, maybe let Mother Nature burn off the combustibles regularly instead od shaming every flame😂😊
Then they poison everything 😂😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️
except you can’t hover a helicopter over a heavy smoke producing real fire - but did an amazing job on those cgi flames
Is it called LOGGING?
I”m not religious, but Jesus help us!
Isn't this toxic for the ground water?
Is it toxic, carcinogenic, or endocrine disrupter?
California spents a lot energy to make something to fix a problem that logging helps control. NAH lets spray asbestos from a helicopter and pay BILLIONS instead😂
Ohh boy, 24 hour durability? FD's all over have dumped foam due to those awesome forever chemicals. Time to do the proving first. They can barely afford to pay for the aircraft.
As long as this foam does not contain any forever chemicals, which in the past firefighting foams have contained large amounts of these obnoxious chemicals! Would be good if the superficial news anchors could actually put a few thoughts together in relation to what sort of impact this is going to have on the environment if it contains obnoxious, long, lasting chemical residues!
Unbelievable that more hasn't already been done years ago! This is to little to LATE!
What does it do to the land? My car? My house?? 😢
The issue the Environmentalists will have is the Chemical content. It could contaminate the ECO system, and not be worth it.
So nice of you to speculate, can you speak to the chemicals? What are they and what are their environmental effects? We are standing by for concise answers.
90s - Save the trees, leave nature alone! Stop the lumber industry!
20s - Save us from the trees, nature is choking us! Stop global warming!
30s - Everyone still choking of smoke, not being able to afford a house because lumber is so expensive.
Foam in the Fire Service has been proven problematic. What chemicals are being used ? What negative consequences occur from inhalation, contact, ingestion ? Trading a naturally occurring disaster for a man made environmental disaster is not forward progress. As always the devils in the details and hopefully they'll really dig into the details before everyone else has to find out the hard way.
The foam you are speaking of is AFFF, this is a different class of foam. This is class A which is different than AFFF.
All types of foam forming chemicals are harmful to fish by deoxegenating the water.
Go back to using animal blood ,draw back a short use by date
We've learned all about "game changers" watching the war in Ukraine. Nobody mentioned PFAS. Everybody hates PFAS foam.
When foam contamination hits the forest.
It's already got a California toxic sticker on each container.
Have we ever stopped and just asked it to stop, nicely?
Highly toxic foam??
Always around elections they are working on something but have ignored the past ten years.
Contaminating all of our drinking water 😢😢😢😢
How about the water cargo boxes that fit standard cargo planes..made by a Californian company and used all over except there due to politics!? How about sonic technology that has demonstrated fire can be extinguished by college students and Charles Kellogg..who could use his voice to put flames out! Documented stuff!! Look into it
The fires won’t stop ,there’s too much money to be made .
Talk about clean air in communist California. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
HAHA mate you should had it done for last week
Afff, like the Navy is having issues with now? Ok..
TOXIC AS HELL
And you know this how? Maybe you can inform the rest of us.
This isn't the AFFF that you hear about routinely as being toxic. This is class A foam which is quite different.
@@alco4248still cancerous, I’m a widllans firefighter I can assure you
Because they’re not managed properly.
Annnnnd the toxicity levels??
No one knows the environmental impacts of that chemical foam. I have a better idea.
If it's a chemical you will drink it.😂.. yea the plants will get it all...😂
*Don't show that cartoon simulation ever again, you come across as a megafool*
It's just Mentos and diet Coke!
WOW California does one thing good? Possibly....
what miserable state is your shack located in?
Doubt it.