Benning's performance in Vancouver deleted any chance he ever finds a job in the NHL again. I say that wholeheartedly - he has zero chance any team will ever hire him. I don't think you could say that with 100% certainty about any other GM in NHL history. "Either way you slice it, Steve Yzerman and Joe Sakic are playing 5-D chess, and Jim Benning is gluing macaroni pieces to construction paper." - Rachel Doerrie
Blunders indeed, but I could see why Benning was swinging for the fences which I appreciate, it’s just too bad the pro scouting department wasn’t able to veto his decisions for OEL. At the time, no one knew LE would fall off a gigantic cliff by game 1 of the contract, which was also unfortunately idiotically compounded with the final year (contract) trade for OEL.
Biggest blunder? I don’t think so. I would argue that the OEL trade was the biggest, but I can see your point. In his strategy to accelerate the retool with 22-26 year olds, losing Forsling was the biggest mistake.
Nothing hurts a team more than trading rising stars for the win now impatience, except maybe albatross contracts. Canucks have been good at both during their history.
I don’t know how much you can call something a blunder when the team you trade him to gives him away and the team they traded him to puts him on waivers.
As a Swede, I remember that tournament, Forsling was spectacular and I saw a future star, then he just disappeared. If I remember correcly Klefbom was on that team as well and he was also freat, to bad his career was derailed by injuries. Cant beliece Vancouver traded him after that tournament.
Benning had a lot of major blunders, but I still don’t see how Linden gets away with his reputation intact when he was the president for over half of Benning’s tenure, and arguably the worst parts of the Canucks legacy (except for the OEL deal)
I do agree with you, Linden doesn’t get enough blame. Probably because he was insulated by Benning, he was always one layer away from the trades, signings and picks. He also had the goodwill of carrying the team in 94 along with Bure, so he doesn’t get nearly the criticism he deserves.
Linden hired in the 2014 offseason. 2015 draft Boeser, 2017 draft Pettersson, 2018 draft Hughes. Then stepped down. The only first round miss was Juolevi, not getting Tkachuk sucks but 3 home run picks out of 4 is great. Linden preached rebuild and patience while ownership wanted results asap. This is why he stepped down in summer 2018
@@the5thlineplaymaker131 I don’t doubt all of that, but what I find curious is why Linden gets the glory, while it’s Benning who did all the bad. Again, I wasn’t in the room - Benning could have been the mastermind to our decade long demise, but Linden was the top dog and shouldn’t be only taking the best parts of those dreary years. If anything, Benning should be receiving as much glory, as Linden, and Linden should get as much criticism as Benning (for those years). Post Linden, Benning made huge mistakes, but also a few small wins.
@@purposeandpedagogy Pretty easy for me. Linden and ownership parted ways due to philosophical differences. Our ownership rushed retools until they hired Rutherford and Allvin. If Linden wanted to rush re rools / rebuilds then he would have just stayed. Also, Benning trading a first round pick for JT Miller is better than a “small win” I’d say. Linden wouldn’t have made that move
@@the5thlineplaymaker131 I agree with all of your points, well said! My point is just that Linden doesn’t face nearly as much criticism for any of his tenure even though his responsibility was building the team. And for all of the foibles of the down seasons of the Canucks, Linden escapes with little negativity attached to his name. Whereas Benning is synonymous with failure, during the overlapping regime period.
Curious how often and how soon first round picks play in the NHL? And how many ‘make it’ from a draft crop? In Aussie Rules footy nowadays around half the first round picks (1-18) play some footy in their first year, and the top 1-5 picks usually more games than not depending on their position (taller key position players tend to take longer to develop). I’d say maybe 20-25% of those drafted have decent careers (50-100 games +)
Jim Benning led the orcas to the Reign of Error, which expands to almost a decade of utter darkness and unholy HELL for the team and its fans. I have never seen another GM who was irredeemably awful at almost every facet of his job: he didn't know anything about asset management, he lost almost all of his trades by a wide margin, he routinely made himself look like an idiot with things such as tampering, he took no responsibility for the team's poor performance, he didn't know how to sign a proper contract for players, he didn't know who to hire to help the organization, he paid no attention to our farm team and player development, he didn't project any strength or confidence in front of the media, he didn't know how to nourish the relationship between players and the team...the list goes on and on. The only thing that he was not awful at was drafting, as he did pick out Hughes Pete and Boeser for us, but at the same time, Virtanen and Juolevi picks should be firable mistakes.
@@dallasburgess5329 Totally. I say his drafting is the least shitty thing he did and that is an insanely low bar. The dude is just a compete joke of a GM...
This is a very results-oriented take and underestimates the risks that any draft pick presents when selecting a given player. Canucks' defense in 2015-16 was among the worst in the NHL by a measurable amount, second only to Colorado back then, and Benning had literally zero defensemen in the farm system who looked like they were going to crack the NHL. Juolevi, on the other hand, came off of captaining Team Finland to a gold medal at the World Juniors and actually posted some great numbers in the OHL alongside Chucky himself, who was actually his teammate in London for 2015-16. Every single scout had Juolevi ranked higher than Chucky at the time, and he was considered a lock at 4th overall up until Columbus went out of order and selected Dubois while Tkachuk was ranked 6th overall by analysts. Come to think of it, if we had drafted in the projected order, we would have been the ones who would have had to deal with PLD and his locker-room cancer and we wouldn't even be talking about Juolevi!
I'll be a villain if I must by saying this, but more blame must be put on Trevor Linden. Who hired Benning - Linden Who was there when some of the worst contract were signed Eriksson, Beagle etc - Linden Who was there when they misdraft or rushed prospects to trade them only to see them become top player - Linden April 9 ,2014 with his becoming president was the start of a literal decade of trash for Vancouver. And responding "He wanted a rebuild but ownership didn't listen" is excusing the lack of backbone he has, he should have stayed on the ship no matter the hardship instead of tucking his tail in to save face as the golden child of Vancouver who has accomplished nothing.
*Meh, he flourished eventually under a strong team in a structure that worked for him. You really think he would magically pan out in Vancouver? Chicago also passed on him after he showed nothing in 43 games.*
this video is such a bad take IMO.. Forsling got 3 seasons in Chi each with close to 40 games each time.. he was traded to carolina and then went on waivers.. literally every team except florida passed on him.. it took him 5 years after the draft to get to florida and be decent.. Players fit a system better than others..
It is not a bad idea to target struggling 23-24 year olds, but certainly not at the price Benning was willing to pay. Sheary, Rust, Kuhnhackl all made their debuts at 24 and helped the team win a cup in their rookie season, and Dumoulin was 25.
It also didn’t help that Benning was poor at pro-scouting. Colorado nailed the Nichushkin and Burakovsky trades, Benning swung and missed on multiple guys.
The problem is entirely aquilini's meddling. trevor linden looked at what they had and said they needed to do things differently in order to have true success. that's not what aquilini wanted to hear, so he canned linden. turns out trevor was right all along, but benning was forced into the stupidity by his boss. benning was great in boston and drafted hughes and demko, he really isn't that dumb
I can't believe I made it through the whole video without throwing up. By far the worst manager in team history, and hearing about the meddling ownership who apparently were the ones that wanted Canucks to draft Jake Virtanen. Only one example of how everything these guys did was a mistake. It's a good thing that Hughes fell to us and EP40 had been well scouted. Word is that Benning was big on Cody Glass instead of Pettersson. Judd Brackett and scouts almost begged Benning to take Petey.
this video is missing a lot of details though. forsling went on waivers 6 years after going to Chicago, meaning every GM in the league could have acquired him for LESS than clendening. Before that, he was traded to Carolina and wasn't even an NHL player in 2020, five years after the trade. Clendening was also the 85th ranked prospect in hockey at the time, forsling wasn't even ranked. Clendening matched Charlie Coyle's point totals in college despite being a year younger and a defenseman. He was absolutely a great pickup at the time. The kicker is that you left out how Clendening played 4 NHL games that year and looked great in his first ever 4 games. That was on the cup-winning Blackhawks too. Also don't forget, the year we got Clendening, the Canucks were a playoff team, meaning Forsling''s junior success meant way less than Clendening ideally being an NHL regular. overall, there's a lot to talk about with benning but this video just misses every mark.
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benning's screw-up's were not only numerous but loud. tkachuk, mc cann and forsling are some of the louder ones.
I remembered a vid of a bar go deafeningly quiet when Benning passed on Tkachuk in the draft. Even a bunch of drunks knew better than him.
Benning's performance in Vancouver deleted any chance he ever finds a job in the NHL again. I say that wholeheartedly - he has zero chance any team will ever hire him. I don't think you could say that with 100% certainty about any other GM in NHL history. "Either way you slice it, Steve Yzerman and Joe Sakic are playing 5-D chess, and Jim Benning is gluing macaroni pieces to construction paper." - Rachel Doerrie
*LMAO!!!!! I had to google that quote just to make sure you weren't making it up. I can't believe it's real.*
I love that Forsling is getting this attention around the league. He’s been deserving of it for the past few seasons
Reliving Benning through this video gives me so much rage 😅
No, Benning's biggest blunder was for sure Loui Eriksson and the albatross contract he gave him. Second biggest Benning blunder was Ekman - Larsson.
Blunders indeed, but I could see why Benning was swinging for the fences which I appreciate, it’s just too bad the pro scouting department wasn’t able to veto his decisions for OEL. At the time, no one knew LE would fall off a gigantic cliff by game 1 of the contract, which was also unfortunately idiotically compounded with the final year (contract) trade for OEL.
Biggest blunder? I don’t think so. I would argue that the OEL trade was the biggest, but I can see your point. In his strategy to accelerate the retool with 22-26 year olds, losing Forsling was the biggest mistake.
Nothing hurts a team more than trading rising stars for the win now impatience, except maybe albatross contracts. Canucks have been good at both during their history.
I don’t know how much you can call something a blunder when the team you trade him to gives him away and the team they traded him to puts him on waivers.
As a Swede, I remember that tournament, Forsling was spectacular and I saw a future star, then he just disappeared. If I remember correcly Klefbom was on that team as well and he was also freat, to bad his career was derailed by injuries. Cant beliece Vancouver traded him after that tournament.
I getting PTSD listening to Benning's time as GM.
Benning had a lot of major blunders, but I still don’t see how Linden gets away with his reputation intact when he was the president for over half of Benning’s tenure, and arguably the worst parts of the Canucks legacy (except for the OEL deal)
I do agree with you, Linden doesn’t get enough blame. Probably because he was insulated by Benning, he was always one layer away from the trades, signings and picks. He also had the goodwill of carrying the team in 94 along with Bure, so he doesn’t get nearly the criticism he deserves.
Linden hired in the 2014 offseason. 2015 draft Boeser, 2017 draft Pettersson, 2018 draft Hughes. Then stepped down.
The only first round miss was Juolevi, not getting Tkachuk sucks but 3 home run picks out of 4 is great.
Linden preached rebuild and patience while ownership wanted results asap. This is why he stepped down in summer 2018
@@the5thlineplaymaker131 I don’t doubt all of that, but what I find curious is why Linden gets the glory, while it’s Benning who did all the bad. Again, I wasn’t in the room - Benning could have been the mastermind to our decade long demise, but Linden was the top dog and shouldn’t be only taking the best parts of those dreary years.
If anything, Benning should be receiving as much glory, as Linden, and Linden should get as much criticism as Benning (for those years). Post Linden, Benning made huge mistakes, but also a few small wins.
@@purposeandpedagogy Pretty easy for me. Linden and ownership parted ways due to philosophical differences. Our ownership rushed retools until they hired Rutherford and Allvin.
If Linden wanted to rush re rools / rebuilds then he would have just stayed.
Also, Benning trading a first round pick for JT Miller is better than a “small win” I’d say. Linden wouldn’t have made that move
@@the5thlineplaymaker131 I agree with all of your points, well said!
My point is just that Linden doesn’t face nearly as much criticism for any of his tenure even though his responsibility was building the team. And for all of the foibles of the down seasons of the Canucks, Linden escapes with little negativity attached to his name. Whereas Benning is synonymous with failure, during the overlapping regime period.
Part 2 how the Canucks failed OEL didn’t give him the best opportunity, guy went from -24 to +10
Curious how often and how soon first round picks play in the NHL? And how many ‘make it’ from a draft crop? In Aussie Rules footy nowadays around half the first round picks (1-18) play some footy in their first year, and the top 1-5 picks usually more games than not depending on their position (taller key position players tend to take longer to develop). I’d say maybe 20-25% of those drafted have decent careers (50-100 games +)
Jim Benning led the orcas to the Reign of Error, which expands to almost a decade of utter darkness and unholy HELL for the team and its fans. I have never seen another GM who was irredeemably awful at almost every facet of his job: he didn't know anything about asset management, he lost almost all of his trades by a wide margin, he routinely made himself look like an idiot with things such as tampering, he took no responsibility for the team's poor performance, he didn't know how to sign a proper contract for players, he didn't know who to hire to help the organization, he paid no attention to our farm team and player development, he didn't project any strength or confidence in front of the media, he didn't know how to nourish the relationship between players and the team...the list goes on and on. The only thing that he was not awful at was drafting, as he did pick out Hughes Pete and Boeser for us, but at the same time, Virtanen and Juolevi picks should be firable mistakes.
@@dallasburgess5329 Totally. I say his drafting is the least shitty thing he did and that is an insanely low bar. The dude is just a compete joke of a GM...
Stop!!!!! The ptsd 😭
Benning is the worst GM in Canucks history by a country mile.
This is a very results-oriented take and underestimates the risks that any draft pick presents when selecting a given player. Canucks' defense in 2015-16 was among the worst in the NHL by a measurable amount, second only to Colorado back then, and Benning had literally zero defensemen in the farm system who looked like they were going to crack the NHL.
Juolevi, on the other hand, came off of captaining Team Finland to a gold medal at the World Juniors and actually posted some great numbers in the OHL alongside Chucky himself, who was actually his teammate in London for 2015-16. Every single scout had Juolevi ranked higher than Chucky at the time, and he was considered a lock at 4th overall up until Columbus went out of order and selected Dubois while Tkachuk was ranked 6th overall by analysts.
Come to think of it, if we had drafted in the projected order, we would have been the ones who would have had to deal with PLD and his locker-room cancer and we wouldn't even be talking about Juolevi!
The thought of PLD in VAN is something too horrible to contemplate.
I'll be a villain if I must by saying this, but more blame must be put on Trevor Linden.
Who hired Benning - Linden
Who was there when some of the worst contract were signed Eriksson, Beagle etc - Linden
Who was there when they misdraft or rushed prospects to trade them only to see them become top player - Linden
April 9 ,2014 with his becoming president was the start of a literal decade of trash for Vancouver.
And responding "He wanted a rebuild but ownership didn't listen" is excusing the lack of backbone he has, he should have stayed on the ship no matter the hardship instead of tucking his tail in to save face as the golden child of Vancouver who has accomplished nothing.
Benning was such a bad GM.
*Meh, he flourished eventually under a strong team in a structure that worked for him. You really think he would magically pan out in Vancouver? Chicago also passed on him after he showed nothing in 43 games.*
this video is such a bad take IMO.. Forsling got 3 seasons in Chi each with close to 40 games each time.. he was traded to carolina and then went on waivers.. literally every team except florida passed on him.. it took him 5 years after the draft to get to florida and be decent.. Players fit a system better than others..
@@Mellowyellow8888 *Exactly, it's somewhat similar to the story of Jared McCann.*
It is not a bad idea to target struggling 23-24 year olds, but certainly not at the price Benning was willing to pay.
Sheary, Rust, Kuhnhackl all made their debuts at 24 and helped the team win a cup in their rookie season, and Dumoulin was 25.
It also didn’t help that Benning was poor at pro-scouting. Colorado nailed the Nichushkin and Burakovsky trades, Benning swung and missed on multiple guys.
The problem is entirely aquilini's meddling. trevor linden looked at what they had and said they needed to do things differently in order to have true success. that's not what aquilini wanted to hear, so he canned linden. turns out trevor was right all along, but benning was forced into the stupidity by his boss. benning was great in boston and drafted hughes and demko, he really isn't that dumb
I can't believe I made it through the whole video without throwing up. By far the worst manager in team history, and hearing about the meddling ownership who apparently were the ones that wanted Canucks to draft Jake Virtanen. Only one example of how everything these guys did was a mistake. It's a good thing that Hughes fell to us and EP40 had been well scouted. Word is that Benning was big on Cody Glass instead of Pettersson. Judd Brackett and scouts almost begged Benning to take Petey.
Chicago had 3 seasons with him - Canucks only got a few games
GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH bennning!
ya it was a benning thing
Benning screwed this team SO BADLY!
this video is missing a lot of details though.
forsling went on waivers 6 years after going to Chicago, meaning every GM in the league could have acquired him for LESS than clendening. Before that, he was traded to Carolina and wasn't even an NHL player in 2020, five years after the trade.
Clendening was also the 85th ranked prospect in hockey at the time, forsling wasn't even ranked. Clendening matched Charlie Coyle's point totals in college despite being a year younger and a defenseman. He was absolutely a great pickup at the time.
The kicker is that you left out how Clendening played 4 NHL games that year and looked great in his first ever 4 games. That was on the cup-winning Blackhawks too.
Also don't forget, the year we got Clendening, the Canucks were a playoff team, meaning Forsling''s junior success meant way less than Clendening ideally being an NHL regular.
overall, there's a lot to talk about with benning but this video just misses every mark.
he's gone move on
Another great Benning move for the other team like most of his moves and wasn’t he traded hours after the draft ?