When I struggle against a bad character I love directing people to the very outdated melee wiki and saying "look bowser goes even with yoshi" to defend myself
5:59 Bowser's moves are not the reason he's so bad in Melee. A good amount of his moves actually have utility. Forward air is probably his best option in neutral due to it probably being his overall least laggy attack in his moveset while having decent range that hits a little bit above & below him, back air is a really good edge guarding move due to it's low launch angle & really big hitbox that can cover ledge, & side b is a command grab that can kill early or sometimes start combos. Those were just a few examples of what some of his moves can do.
@@Frilleon I was just saying that his moves aren't overall bad moves it's just they all happen to have the same weakness (which is obviously their speed)
There's ONE more strength of his in Melee that you didn't mention which is he has good edge guarding (because of his gigantic back air that hits below ledge that also semi-spikes fast fallers, his down angled forward tilt covering ledge well, doing grounded up b to grab ledge quickly, & his ledge attack being able hit behind him & launch the opponent behind him which is good for when someone just barely recovers while he's hanging on the ledge)
comparing melee characters and pm characters is such sick idea, shoutouts to me LOL good overview! would like if you covered some of the more niche things (up b oos, command grab combos, ledge stuff, etc) about the character though, but i know it's harder to cover that in a shorter video. hell it takes me like months to learn these melee characters on unranked lol.
June bug is the goat 🐐 and June bug in 2014 3.0 he was winning against the best characters and players with broken 3.0 diddy which is top 2 character behind the project m goat 3.0 mewtwo and in 2015 he had a insane winning streak and top 3 in 2016 unbelievable still level and a true Legend hope you play again for Project + 🐐
in 2018 i deadass tried to be a bowser main in melee, totally unaware of the tierlist. i had one battle where my friend used marth.... you can imagine the outcome of that.
I love P+ Bowser, he's so fun! I'm one of those nerds who played this character in Melee as a child and he'll always be my guy, Bowser is just an all-around fun character to get results with despite his weaknesses
I’d love if you did a video like this but with Roy. I love playing as him and he had a major glow up compared to how he started in Melee to what he is now in Ultimate.
bowser's fire breath is not bad as long as you don't think of it as a projectile. i forget which version has it but in one of them you can instant flame breath upon landing and when you catch someone in the corner with it it feels almost OP lol
I have been a Bowser player since day one and it was frustrating playing as him and still frustrating losing to top tier fighters. I was able to surprise some people when I was able to beat Shiek. Now it's not fun when I lose humiliatingly to many who spend all their life playing Melee.
small correction Bowser Will be slower of 2 frame than the ZELDA CAST (Minus Sheik) having Ganon Link and Zelda a frame 6 jumpscat character like the spacies having a frame 3 jumpscat Just ... bully him so much
When people try to put bowser over pichu in melee Pichu: am i a joke to you Gets smash ball and oblitarates everyone Me be like Bowser isnt a bad character its Just hes has terrible matchups Pichu: thats pratically a bad character Mewtwo: im litterally two places higher than you in the teir list Roy: your still @## in this game Ganadorf be like Ganadorf: Just because your a bad character dosent mean you cant be better Thats why bowser, pichu, mr game and watch, zelda, ness and roy are broken in ultimate
Bowser vs Bad character including Kirby Zelda Ness Pichu Roy Mewtwo LETS BEGIN IN MATCHUPS Bowser vs kirby Kirby slightly wins due to his speed, air speed and approach is better, he is a good edgeguarder, he has a better recovery, he can chain grab, his light weight makes him hard to hit but easier to ko. Bowser I'd heavier, with stronger attacks, he has a better ko potential, heaviest character meaning he is still the most duarible character and his up B is a great out of shield option
Bowser vs zelda 50/50 Zelda has less lag kos, can chain grab, better recovery but Bowser is stronger, better ko, better survival and is faster (Bowser speed is 1.14 in melee and Zelda speed is 1.12 in melee, slowest with jigglypuff.)
Bowser vs pichu 50/50 Pichu has les laggy attack, a much better recovery, can ruin Bowser recovery, and fast (pichu speed is 1.74 in melee, the 5th fastest character) Bowser has better range, survival, ko, damage but pichu lacks ko and Bowser lacks defence options and a large enemy to hit.
And is STILL a bottom tier in PM. His only good incarnation was 2.1 where he was covered in super armor and had much better knockback valves. If u had good timing you could snuff any attack period.
The Rason why a slow character is a deep flaw is becuase Your combos are worse Your retreat is worse Your Offence can be worse because of your slow speed You pack approach options You have a very bad recovery (Super slow air speed, Very poor acceleration plus 2 foot tall of jumping, 4 in total and frame 8 jump is just terrible) Makes it hard for you to go against low high or very high teir characters. Characters that are slow Zelda Jigglypuff Bowser Ganondorf Link Falco Luigi Falco Peach Dk (Because bowser has the 3rd slowest dash speed, 1.12 if Dk is slightly faster than hes slow, hes on of the fastest heavy weight characters but hes below average. My opinion) Average Dash speed Mario Mr Game and watch Roy Kirby Dr Mario Samus Ice Climbers Fast Characters Young link Sheik Yoshi Pikachu Pichu Sheik Mewtwo Marth Fox Fastest Captain Falcon
For the type of character Bowser is, you'd think they'd give him alot of super armor for his moves to not have him get easily bullied as much, but nah lets give it to Yoshi. 😆
The make this short why bowser is garbage I melee He's the 3rd slowest character 2nd worst intinal dash speed Lots of lag Starting lag Ending lag Bad recovery Terrible grab Easily comboed Bad special Lack of defence options Slow Ariel Slow roll Terrible matchups
Bowser not getting his iconic fireballs in Smash Bros proper has generally been a travesty of game design. Glad to see the Project + devs not only implementing it, but making fireball hype!
This is some BS Boswer fear propaganda. You clearly don't play Bowser in melee whatsoever. You are just flat wrong on many things, and are spreading misinformation. You're complaining about his combos requiring L cancelling, when that is the most standard tech in all of melee. You state his sheild size is small, when he has by far the largest sheild in the game. You mis-state his fall speed, which actually is the same as pikachu, btw yoshi and mario. You are just so misinformed it is gross. I get you play project + or wtv, but please don't be a sheep, who succumbs to his Bowser fear caked into your Id.
@@Chrisroc911 I corrected my "weight" to "fall speed" if that is what you were talking about. Otherwise, this TH-camr is not actually a hardcore Melee player, just a misinformed entertainer.
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When I struggle against a bad character I love directing people to the very outdated melee wiki and saying "look bowser goes even with yoshi" to defend myself
This is hilarious
1:18 Fun fact, gigabowser even has a faster jump squat than regular bowser lol
Yup, bowser jump squat is horrible
That’s insane I remember using him in debug mode back in the old days
How did they fuck up this bad. Its so bad they straight up skipped a 7 frame jumpsquat and instead gave him 8
@@susiehaltmann3342melee was heavily rushed
@@josephkadlec3104true but thats no reason
5:59
Bowser's moves are not the reason he's so bad in Melee. A good amount of his moves actually have utility. Forward air is probably his best option in neutral due to it probably being his overall least laggy attack in his moveset while having decent range that hits a little bit above & below him, back air is a really good edge guarding move due to it's low launch angle & really big hitbox that can cover ledge, & side b is a command grab that can kill early or sometimes start combos. Those were just a few examples of what some of his moves can do.
They aren’t safe and they aren’t reliable to succeed with, which is exactly what was said in the video
@@Frilleon I was just saying that his moves aren't overall bad moves it's just they all happen to have the same weakness (which is obviously their speed)
His moves have "utility" but that's only because he has nothing better in his kit. The only move on him that's actually outstanding is Grounded up b
There's ONE more strength of his in Melee that you didn't mention which is he has good edge guarding (because of his gigantic back air that hits below ledge that also semi-spikes fast fallers, his down angled forward tilt covering ledge well, doing grounded up b to grab ledge quickly, & his ledge attack being able hit behind him & launch the opponent behind him which is good for when someone just barely recovers while he's hanging on the ledge)
comparing melee characters and pm characters is such sick idea, shoutouts to me LOL
good overview! would like if you covered some of the more niche things (up b oos, command grab combos, ledge stuff, etc) about the character though, but i know it's harder to cover that in a shorter video. hell it takes me like months to learn these melee characters on unranked lol.
Junebug you are the goat bro, your content is fire af too. Thanks man
June bug is the goat 🐐 and June bug in 2014 3.0 he was winning against the best characters and players with broken 3.0 diddy which is top 2 character behind the project m goat 3.0 mewtwo and in 2015 he had a insane winning streak and top 3 in 2016 unbelievable still level and a true Legend hope you play again for Project + 🐐
The bearded bug has appeared 😳
i like how the old 2010 matchups say bowser goes neutral with yoshi and pichu
Crazy how few views PM vids get. This is some quality content dude!
Thanks man!
in 2018 i deadass tried to be a bowser main in melee, totally unaware of the tierlist. i had one battle where my friend used marth.... you can imagine the outcome of that.
On a scale from 1 to 10, how badly did you get wrecked?
I love P+ Bowser, he's so fun!
I'm one of those nerds who played this character in Melee as a child and he'll always be my guy, Bowser is just an all-around fun character to get results with despite his weaknesses
I really appreciate how Bowser's neutral B in Project+ is both a well-needed buff and a better reference to his games.
I do too, but hes still buttcheeks
I’d love if you did a video like this but with Roy. I love playing as him and he had a major glow up compared to how he started in Melee to what he is now in Ultimate.
don't think this channel covers anything beyond project m
This actually is intentional to his design, since bowser always loses!
Bowser is scary good in P+, especially as a fastfaller, but if you can weave around his neutral he's still easy to punish because he's so huge
bowser's fire breath is not bad as long as you don't think of it as a projectile. i forget which version has it but in one of them you can instant flame breath upon landing and when you catch someone in the corner with it it feels almost OP lol
I have been a Bowser player since day one and it was frustrating playing as him and still frustrating losing to top tier fighters. I was able to surprise some people when I was able to beat Shiek. Now it's not fun when I lose humiliatingly to many who spend all their life playing Melee.
Melee Bowser is like Brawl Ganondorf
Brawl Ganon is actually even worse imo
I swear, fire ball and koopa claw are way more fun to use than fire breath and his side special from brawl - ultimate.
How does one play project M today in 2022? Also, does it have a net play like Slipping or melee? If so are there other players to match with?
I can beat any character with bowser
I could feel the asumsaus inspiration in the intro
Ridley feels like bowser all over again
Big fan of the punch out music used in this video!! Good stuff!!
small correction
Bowser Will be slower of 2 frame than the ZELDA CAST (Minus Sheik) having Ganon Link and Zelda a frame 6 jumpscat
character like the spacies having a frame 3 jumpscat Just ... bully him so much
When people try to put bowser over pichu in melee
Pichu: am i a joke to you
Gets smash ball and oblitarates everyone
Me be like
Bowser isnt a bad character its Just hes has terrible matchups
Pichu: thats pratically a bad character
Mewtwo: im litterally two places higher than you in the teir list
Roy: your still @## in this game
Ganadorf be like
Ganadorf: Just because your a bad character dosent mean you cant be better
Thats why bowser, pichu, mr game and watch, zelda, ness and roy are broken in ultimate
What's the song used at the 9 minute mark?
Classroom - Mario Strikers Charged
Thanks for the video
cool video - subscribed
Bowser vs Bad character including
Kirby
Zelda
Ness
Pichu
Roy
Mewtwo
LETS BEGIN IN MATCHUPS
Bowser vs kirby
Kirby slightly wins due to his speed, air speed and approach is better, he is a good edgeguarder, he has a better recovery, he can chain grab, his light weight makes him hard to hit but easier to ko.
Bowser I'd heavier, with stronger attacks, he has a better ko potential, heaviest character meaning he is still the most duarible character and his up B is a great out of shield option
Bowser vs zelda
50/50
Zelda has less lag kos, can chain grab, better recovery but Bowser is stronger, better ko, better survival and is faster
(Bowser speed is 1.14 in melee and Zelda speed is 1.12 in melee, slowest with jigglypuff.)
Bowser vs pichu
50/50
Pichu has les laggy attack, a much better recovery, can ruin Bowser recovery, and fast (pichu speed is 1.74 in melee, the 5th fastest character) Bowser has better range, survival, ko, damage but pichu lacks ko and Bowser lacks defence options and a large enemy to hit.
@@javianmonserrate8930 Roy would destROY Bowser.
Yay another one of these!
6:39 watch me
Maybe if I just keep saying he is a bad character it will make my Bowser fear go away.
Who at one time was better at playing bottom teirs than top teirs
Yeah, and what the hell is he doing in his dash?
Nice video
Your videos are so good
This is why I could'n hit giga bowser playing as him 😔😔
Bowser Flame god tier in 1.00
And is STILL a bottom tier in PM.
His only good incarnation was 2.1 where he was covered in super armor and had much better knockback valves. If u had good timing you could snuff any attack period.
Bing Boopa
he's a beautiful boy
The Rason why a slow character is a deep flaw is becuase
Your combos are worse
Your retreat is worse
Your Offence can be worse because of your slow speed
You pack approach options
You have a very bad recovery (Super slow air speed, Very poor acceleration plus 2 foot tall of jumping, 4 in total and frame 8 jump is just terrible)
Makes it hard for you to go against low high or very high teir characters.
Characters that are slow
Zelda
Jigglypuff
Bowser
Ganondorf
Link
Falco
Luigi
Falco
Peach
Dk (Because bowser has the 3rd slowest dash speed, 1.12 if Dk is slightly faster than hes slow, hes on of the fastest heavy weight characters but hes below average. My opinion)
Average Dash speed
Mario
Mr Game and watch
Roy
Kirby
Dr Mario
Samus
Ice Climbers
Fast Characters
Young link
Sheik
Yoshi
Pikachu
Pichu
Sheik
Mewtwo
Marth
Fox
Fastest
Captain Falcon
For the type of character Bowser is, you'd think they'd give him alot of super armor for his moves to not have him get easily bullied as much, but nah lets give it to Yoshi. 😆
The P+ run animation is so bad God damn
The make this short why bowser is garbage I melee
He's the 3rd slowest character
2nd worst intinal dash speed
Lots of lag
Starting lag
Ending lag
Bad recovery
Terrible grab
Easily comboed
Bad special
Lack of defence options
Slow Ariel
Slow roll
Terrible matchups
Bowser not getting his iconic fireballs in Smash Bros proper has generally been a travesty of game design. Glad to see the Project + devs not only implementing it, but making fireball hype!
Bruh we could’ve had James Bond over bowser in melee
comment for the algorithm folks
comment for the algorithm
Even though he is pretty bad in melee, he’s a bit too good in project plus. I think he needs to be nerfed just a little bit
This is some BS Boswer fear propaganda. You clearly don't play Bowser in melee whatsoever. You are just flat wrong on many things, and are spreading misinformation. You're complaining about his combos requiring L cancelling, when that is the most standard tech in all of melee. You state his sheild size is small, when he has by far the largest sheild in the game. You mis-state his fall speed, which actually is the same as pikachu, btw yoshi and mario. You are just so misinformed it is gross. I get you play project + or wtv, but please don't be a sheep, who succumbs to his Bowser fear caked into your Id.
I don’t even know what to say about this comment
@@Chrisroc911 I corrected my "weight" to "fall speed" if that is what you were talking about. Otherwise, this TH-camr is not actually a hardcore Melee player, just a misinformed entertainer.
@@KuhEssen ok
But did you know that Stephen curry is inspirational
@@Chrisroc911 Anybody can bouncey ball into da hoop
Bowser is big and large. That means he's really sexy and hot.
in a way you are correct, he does spit fire, which is hot.