The Rise & Fall of Competitive Giga Bowser - Smash's BANNED Top-Tier

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  • LEGALIZE IT: my-store-d417c...
    Since 2001, Super Smash Brothers Melee has harbored a beast in the depths of its code. A creature that, were he to be legal, could change the game's competitive metagame forever. For a time during the COVID-19 quarantine, he nearly did.
    When in 2020, Giga Bowser was accidently unleashed onto Melee's netplay servers, a handful of players would push the character to previously unseen heights. This is their story. This is Giga Bowser's story.
    This video amounted to about two months of on-and-off work from research to interviews to writing and editing. I hope that you come away with a better understanding and appreciation of Melee's greatest monster and the nuances of The Big Turtle Guy.
    Should Giga Bowser be legal in SSBM? Sound off in the comments!
    If you know more about the competitive history of Giga Bowser that you feel is not adequately covered in this video, feel free to DM me on twitter @wusstunes or email me at matt.callosum@gmail.com. I tried my best to be thorough, but I imagine there is some pre-2020 G. Bowser history that I missed out on.
    My links:
    watch me stream on twitch: / wusstunes
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    **
    Thank you for all your support with this! This video took a lot of work from me and a lot of reaching out to players who were kind enough to share their stories (and in some cases, gameplay footage) with me. With that in mind, please be respectful towards them! I'm not trying to spur up any sort of harassment here.
    In addition, this video is currently unmonetized due to me being not good at setting up my google adsense! If you liked it, consider buying me a coffee. I will drink it happily.
    ko-fi.com/wuss...
    further reading:
    Developing a Meta: Giga Bowser - • Developing a Meta: Gig...
    Mew2King with New Developments in the Giga Bowser Matchup Meta - • mew2king with new deve...
    Are you a Giga Bowser Player? - • Are You a Giga Bowser ...
    Play as Giga Bowser - Instructional Video • Play As Giga Bowser On...
    Deleted Scene - • these melee characters...
    Chapters:
    00:00 Intro
    00:35 What is Giga Bowser
    01:48 Giga Bowser is Kinda Broken
    03:44 The Second Coming
    05:50 The Three Tenets
    08:47 The Giga Gamble
    14:40 A Second Chance
    22:47 Regarding Legality
    27:27 Coda, a Farewell to Giga Arms
    30:25 song list ;)

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  • @titaniawallace4223
    @titaniawallace4223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4388

    Giga Bowser should be legal once a month on the full moon like a werewolf

    • @Wyvernnnn
      @Wyvernnnn ปีที่แล้ว +62

      It's a bowser skin on the full moon 🥺

    • @smelly2897
      @smelly2897 ปีที่แล้ว +65

      finally someone with some sense

    • @bumpersincapped
      @bumpersincapped ปีที่แล้ว +4

      like it's literally illegal to play as him

    • @bluewuppo
      @bluewuppo ปีที่แล้ว +84

      every leap year, you have 24 hours of gigabowser dominance

    • @elmiklosyt652
      @elmiklosyt652 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah

  • @LalitoTV
    @LalitoTV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2796

    Love the irony of peach being great on the giga Bowser matchup

  • @JonnyGamble
    @JonnyGamble 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3287

    Legalize Male Wireframe and Giga Bowser so players like me don’t have to play low tiers like Sheik

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +286

      So true!!

    • @Calmtimer
      @Calmtimer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +173

      And legalize master hand!

    • @maxmeyers771
      @maxmeyers771 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      You've finally reached youtube peak fame Jonny

    • @zachaboss
      @zachaboss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +77

      @@Calmtimer That could be an interesting idea, if it wasn't for the fact that Master Hand cannot take knockback, making him basically unbeatable in a match with the standard ruleset. If they figured out how to make it work, that would definitely be awesome!

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +99

      @@zachaboss Melee has support for matches where one character has % and the other has HP, that's how Master Hand fights work to begin with. It's just a matter of being able to enable it in multiplayer.
      Alternatively, mod the game so that Master Hand kills himself if his % is above 300.
      The problem is that Master Hand is genuine garbage and wouldn't be exciting to play as or watch since he cannot freely move and his attacks are horrily telegraphed and very punishable. Even Kirby would have a 9:1 matchup with him, if not 10:0.

  • @arco2984
    @arco2984 2 ปีที่แล้ว +865

    The Giga Bowser mirror match is probably on of the the least explored matchups in Smash history.

    • @wnfeo4518
      @wnfeo4518 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      definitely Giga Bowser favored

    • @LloydTheZephyrian
      @LloydTheZephyrian ปีที่แล้ว +47

      @@wnfeo4518 I'd say it favors Giga Bowser more.

    • @Phantom_Kraken
      @Phantom_Kraken ปีที่แล้ว +15

      ⁠@@LloydTheZephyrian
      Idk man I think Giga bowser comes out on top in that matchup

    • @LloydTheZephyrian
      @LloydTheZephyrian ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Phantom_Kraken Fair point, but Giga Bowser has that redonkulous smash attack.

    • @irahemenahreb9232
      @irahemenahreb9232 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ​@LloydTheZephyrian ok but giga bowser can just get to the edge out of the way

  • @matthewzakrzewski1797
    @matthewzakrzewski1797 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3027

    For a long time I could never understand why darkgenex was so in favor of wobbling, the man was a perfectly solid spacie, but having seen this video I now understand that he is just insane

    • @DarkGenexSmash
      @DarkGenexSmash 2 ปีที่แล้ว +529

      honestly facts

    • @Nazobypass
      @Nazobypass 2 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      @@DarkGenexSmash hahaha, the man the legend lol

    • @telph3223
      @telph3223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Wild card, bi***s!

    • @ryanfighterrayrayboi2305
      @ryanfighterrayrayboi2305 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Whats the theme that plays in the background? [in the intro]

    • @hellotide523
      @hellotide523 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ryanfighterrayrayboi2305 i think that is robo-kys theme from guilty gear

  • @TheRealMew2king
    @TheRealMew2king 2 ปีที่แล้ว +453

    Puff beats Giga Bowser. Legalize him so I can dual-main those 2 pls

  • @RisingJericho
    @RisingJericho 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1799

    It's cool and unfortunate this is what it takes for Bowser to see any form of competitive success in Melee

    • @nicocchi
      @nicocchi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +107

      And he still can be cheesed hard by the usual suspects lmao

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@nicocchi clearly not as seen in the tournament fotage.

    • @randomperson9799
      @randomperson9799 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Either that or when DJ Nintendo played at a local. He's cancelled now though.

    • @raphu2272
      @raphu2272 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @Another Blue relax, it was just a weeklies lol
      Giga bowser is not viable in majors
      but melee is dead so w/e

    • @GynxShinx
      @GynxShinx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      Bowser's so bad that he was given an immortal version and it wasn't that broken.

  • @itsbmeGaming
    @itsbmeGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +635

    I'll never forget one of the funniest things that was on Mew2King's stream once, which apparently some of these clips are from. Before it was patched out, some players where exploiting Slippi to use Giga Bowser, and M2K happened to random into one. His random character first game was getting trolled and lost, so before he starts the next game, he pauses for a moment, and then just says "I know how to beat this" and goes right to puff. Next thing you know Giga Bowser is getting wrecked by Pound -> Rest. The Giga Bowser player at one point was on last stock and wasn't trolling anymore. They actually looked scared to approach.
    As broken as it is in many ways, Giga Bowser exacerbates Bowser's main issue: he's too damn big and gets beat up for it. Being big in Melee sucks.
    Great video! This is why I love Melee. All the stories makes this game so fun to be apart of.
    EDIT: Pound not nair!

    • @CAMSLAYER13
      @CAMSLAYER13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Pretty sure the mew2king clips are from that

    • @itsbmeGaming
      @itsbmeGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@CAMSLAYER13 I was there for that stream. It was so funny seeing it live.

    • @palecaptainwolfkayls8499
      @palecaptainwolfkayls8499 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I read this aloud to myself and couldn’t not laugh through half of this comment, it’s a good observation!

  • @Pioxys
    @Pioxys 2 ปีที่แล้ว +408

    Something about Peach making Giga Bowser worried sounds poetic.
    She gets kidnapped when she feels like it, and slaps down Bowser when she wants to fight.

  • @ux66
    @ux66 2 ปีที่แล้ว +608

    Wow! I made the Mario Climbers code. Wild to see something I found mentioned in a documentary style video about my favorite game 😅 Kudos! Long Live Melee!

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +117

      omg a legend in the comments section. gonna need you around if i find out there were any mario climbers tournament runs.

    • @OmegaGlops
      @OmegaGlops 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I've got a question! Can that be done with every character? Are the Mario Climbers from an Event match that I'm forgetting, or could something like a "Mr. Game & Watch Climbers" be done in the same fashion? 🤔

    • @ux66
      @ux66 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@OmegaGlops
      Nah, I’m pretty sure it’s just garbage data being read for a character that happens to have the same flag for 2 fighters spawning at once that the Ice Climbers have (however they don’t also have the built-in delay between characters for inputs like Icies do). As for why it picks Mario, my guess is that it just defaults to him as a safeguard of some sort to not crash the game but I honestly don’t really know, lol
      And I believe so! I’m sure there’s AR codes floating around online that do a similar thing for other characters that would work in offline. Mario Climbers was just unique because it was loading something that was already present in the game but usually not accessible, so when you select it on unranked/direct connect, it would load in the other person’s game even if they didn’t have the codes; the code just allows you to access it, it doesn’t add anything to your game. But I think the other codes that do a similar thing add an additional fighter to whoever you picked, which obviously isn’t already a thing in the game and thus wouldn’t work on Slippi

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@ux66 oh that's so cool.

    • @chasehudson165
      @chasehudson165 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Horribly late but does anyone have any vids on the Mario climbers?

  • @Light_Repairman
    @Light_Repairman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    The fact that he used to wobble is hilariously fitting

    • @MarMaxGaming
      @MarMaxGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      lol for real! just wants an easy, cheap way to win bwahaha

    • @Light_Repairman
      @Light_Repairman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      @@MarMaxGaming or maybe he just wants to make people suffer

    • @MarMaxGaming
      @MarMaxGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Light_Repairman yeah, both are completely true

  • @lakethursday4793
    @lakethursday4793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2694

    Giga Bowser should be allowed into tournament play and everyone who says otherwise is a coward

    • @Calmtimer
      @Calmtimer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +282

      If you can't beat Giga Bowser you're just bad, we need the new meta, 1v1 no items final destination Giga Bowser only

    • @hunterculpepper1973
      @hunterculpepper1973 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Yeah I could 3 to 4 stock him

    • @PacyLucasFC
      @PacyLucasFC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Hbox would end up raining Supreme

    • @lakethursday4793
      @lakethursday4793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Calmtimer that's what i'm sayin

    • @junkytboy
      @junkytboy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      My Samus would destroy Giga Bowser

  • @DarkGenexSmash
    @DarkGenexSmash 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1212

    my legacy... 🐢

  • @enderger5308
    @enderger5308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +246

    I find it interesting how, despite nearly tying in their matches against him, many people consider Giga Bowser unfair.

    • @clownworld4655
      @clownworld4655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      Fr. Never played smash competitively, but giga bowser doesn’t seem very broken at all. Grab immunity, damage, and massive attack range would be his only big pros. Still slow as hell, a huge hit box, and bad at recovery

    • @localidiot450
      @localidiot450 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@clownworld4655 grounded up-B spam

    • @GarudaRamudasRumpusRoom
      @GarudaRamudasRumpusRoom ปีที่แล้ว +61

      When you consider the amount of time that one might have put into playing Giga Bowser versus any other character in order to place in tournaments, it's fair to assume he's on a different tier than the other characters people have sunk thousands into. It's also important to consider a huge factor for their legality is how their design blatantly goes against many of the skills valued in competitive play.

    • @sebastiangudino9377
      @sebastiangudino9377 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      ​@@clownworld4655Huge hitbox means nothing when you can dowb-b out of shield. That dude is basically untouchable without receiving damage yourself

    • @drdiabeetus4419
      @drdiabeetus4419 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      It’s cause once you get to the top of a competitive scene of anything, you tend to react super negatively to anything that could potentially change said competitive scene. Melee players in particular are especially bad with this because they’re choosing to stick to an extremely out of date version of a game simply because the competitive scene of said game evolved to revolve around exploiting a glitch to gain an advantage and said glitch has been rightly patched from all subsequent versions.

  • @jickles16
    @jickles16 2 ปีที่แล้ว +218

    I get why it's not wanted in competitive play, but I do wish we could see more Giga Bowser gameplay at that high level just because it would be fun, and not as serious as competitive play.

    • @necromax13
      @necromax13 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Maybe including this big doofus on the gauntlets???

  • @TJ-Henry-Yoshi
    @TJ-Henry-Yoshi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +191

    Anyone who picks giga bowser in bracket is an absolute villain in the best way possible,

    • @chair547
      @chair547 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      But how many A presses does it take to unlock giga bowser

    • @mrdeadmemes
      @mrdeadmemes ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​​@@chair547 this joke has been run into the ground man leave him alone

    • @usernametaken017
      @usernametaken017 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Imagine just entering a tournament and then having a surprise bossfight against giga fucking bowser

    • @Snidbert
      @Snidbert 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      but what if you enter a doubles tournament without a partner and play Giga Bowser?

    • @solarz8505
      @solarz8505 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      tj henry yoshi from simpleflips

  • @pandemonium2536
    @pandemonium2536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +558

    *"He's not fun to play against"*
    Fox, Falco, and Ice Climbers (When wobbling isn't banned): *"Allow us to introduce ourselves"*

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      No mention of Jigglypuff?
      But having other unfun characters to fight is not an excuse to add another one.

    • @crack4184
      @crack4184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@anothenblue2630 Add Marth, Sheik, Luigi, DK... Melee is full of annoying characters anyway

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@crack4184 DK isn't even viable nor anywhere near as bad as Puff. None of the four are. I have a feeling you have no idea what you're talking about.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      I like fighting every character but Zelda tbh

    • @squidtheinconsistent
      @squidtheinconsistent 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The only characters I really find annoying and unfun to play against are Jigglypuff (in everything) Samus (in ultimate if FS is enabled) and Hero. Everything else usually seems pretty tolerable. But god. Fucking Jigglypuff Pound BAir stalling is infuriating.

  • @ShinyGBZ
    @ShinyGBZ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +264

    Incredible video dude, as a kid I always wondered how Giga Bowser would fit on the tier list if he were playable and finding out there were tournaments where he was allowed is insane. Thanks for covering this niche character!

  • @PKspectre
    @PKspectre ปีที่แล้ว +101

    I love the entire concept of playable Giga Bowser because it genuinely feels like you're in the middle of a boss battle during a tournament

  • @bannanafruitsalad
    @bannanafruitsalad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Theres something so funny about falco trying to dair gBowswer 3 years into his up b and still losing

  • @DrewPicklesTheDark
    @DrewPicklesTheDark 2 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    Make him legal occasionally. Meta needs to be mixed up now and then.

  • @UndertakerU2ber
    @UndertakerU2ber ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Tatsunoko vs Capcom tournaments sometimes legalize their giant "Giga Bowser-like" characters with highly specific rules in place. Just look at sports like baseball, which have a ton of niche rules that seem odd but are intended to address exploits and abuses that would ruin the integrity of the game.
    I'm sure Giga Bowser could be considered tournament legal if the anti-Giga Bowser crowd had their biggest complaints addressed with stipulations that prevented exploits, such as the one where one could pick GB on game 3 as a hard counter pick of the opponent's character for an easy win. Maybe have it so that a player can only choose to play as Giga on game one, they can stick with Giga on subsequent games so long as they picked Giga on game one, and they can also forfeit their chance to play Giga in subsequent games of the set by picking another character at the end of a match (but they won't have another chance to swap back to Giga again for the duration of the set against their current opponent).

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +14

      You had me at tatsunoko vs Capcom

  • @ruqiyofarah9427
    @ruqiyofarah9427 2 ปีที่แล้ว +200

    I feel like the only reason people want giga bowser to be legal cause we want some chaos

    • @ObamaTheHedgehog
      @ObamaTheHedgehog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Also how else are people going to get new melee characters, people will do melee gymnastics because of the novelty

    • @Natibe_
      @Natibe_ ปีที่แล้ว +14

      We have seen enough Fox, Falco and Marth
      The Yoshi/Peach/Giga Bowser era shall be upon us
      Jank will rule the earth!

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Chaos shall reign supreme!

    • @jongyon7192p
      @jongyon7192p 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      This is indeed the case, and it's why I root for aMSa

    • @Someone_Somewhere7
      @Someone_Somewhere7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Of course. Watching Fox vs Marth every tournament gets tiring VERY quickly. We wanna look at something different.

  • @SunlightGwyn
    @SunlightGwyn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    0:57 “Giga Bowser is nearly twice the size of Bowser” He says when we can clearly see at least 2 full Bowsers can fit inside Giga Bowser.

  • @TheAweDude1
    @TheAweDude1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    I wonder if a "no counterpick Giga" rule could be implemented, where you cannot pick Giga Bowser as a counter pick. Either if you lost you can elect to pick first and allow the winner to counter pick you, or you can can't pick him after losing a game. I think the latter might be better, as it prevents people from winning a set with a surprise Giga Bowser, but still allows people to open sets with him.

    • @sunderkeenin
      @sunderkeenin ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Bit late, but it'd be as simple as always allowing a counterpick if giga bowser is selected, likely worded as something like, "In the case that a player selects Giga Bowser, the other player will be allowed to select character again."

    • @RationalFunction
      @RationalFunction 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@sunderkeeninthen you'd be counterpicked by puff and peach.

    • @sunderkeenin
      @sunderkeenin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@RationalFunction That's the point. Either you're willing to deal with the worst, or you don't play the character which is so fucked it requires special consideration.

  • @mudkypz
    @mudkypz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +87

    One of my favorite smash videos in the past year! Incredible editing and a hilarious and fun ride. Long live Giga Bowser!

  • @bigchungus7870
    @bigchungus7870 2 ปีที่แล้ว +132

    0:10 Guilty Gear:Holy Orders
    8:47 King Bowser theme
    9:50 Necro and twelve:snowland
    12:51 Marvel Vs Capcom 2:Clocktower
    14:49 D-girls:Ending
    16:00 Tekken 2:Silent Assassin
    17:38 Mad World:Survival

    • @tiporosso
      @tiporosso 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Is that really the song at 9:50? I couldn't find that exact version of the song, where is it from?

    • @XavAMusic
      @XavAMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Any idea of the song at 25:55?

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@tiporosso it's a track from king of the monster 2 for neo geo cd, check the replies to the pinned comment

    • @bingbong_luver
      @bingbong_luver 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The one at 16:00 is actually silent assassin from telken 2 coolheaded mix

    • @beaniedude436
      @beaniedude436 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      also the guitar from the very beginning of the vid is Holy orders -be just or be dead-

  • @wusstunes
    @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +228

    Giga Bowser is nearly twice the size of Bowser!
    Thanks for watching! Since a lot of people have asked about different tracks, the list of songs is at 30:25. They're listed in sequential order.

    • @Spunney
      @Spunney 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think it would be cool to timestamp them in the description so someone doesn't have to manually search through the video in-order just to find which track is which! Also I absolutely cannot find "vs. player 2, king of the monsters 2" anywhere

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Spunney downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/king-of-the-monster-2-the-next-thing-neo-geo-cd/22%2520VS%2520PLAYER%25202.mp3
      It would be cool! I'm personally not inclined to do that rn, will maybe think about finding other ways to demarcate that info in the future.

    • @Spunney
      @Spunney 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wusstunes Thanks!!

    • @Orbrun
      @Orbrun 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What a great video. It makes me wish someone covered the history of 200 buffer melee.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Orbrun lmao! I remember watching magi play 200 buffer Ganon dittos back in the day when she didn't have Ethernet. Good times.

  • @DarthMagatsuTitanus64
    @DarthMagatsuTitanus64 2 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    Giga Bowser should be an official playable character in the next Smash Bros. He would operate similarly to how Multiversus did Iron Giant.

    • @yurifairy2969
      @yurifairy2969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      they could easily patch him into Ultimate. He's very close to complete, he just needs a final smash and victory animations.

    • @mitchellalexander9162
      @mitchellalexander9162 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@yurifairy2969 What do you mean you can't Steal Bowser's Final Smash and make a Clone Final Smash for no effort?

    • @chriser5146
      @chriser5146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "next smash"
      haha lmao, yeah right

    • @creature6715
      @creature6715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@chriser5146 yes because Nintendo is just going to shelf one of its more profitable franchises

    • @hunbi1875
      @hunbi1875 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@creature6715 I mean they might. They'd at the very least have to heavily tone it back, but I can very well see the series stop coming out for the most part because Sakurai is a pretty hard guy to replace. Of course he might just say fuck it and keep making smash until he dies, seems like smth he would do

  • @BunniBuu
    @BunniBuu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    As someone who doesn't play this game, feels like Giga Bowser should be legal but consideration to banning him as a counterpick. That way if you want to play him, you have to main him >:)

  • @SSB_Seal
    @SSB_Seal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    Another fun video. Good job documenting one of the sillier moments that happened in a corner of the Melee community!

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      They really do call him seal bc he sees all

    • @SSB_Seal
      @SSB_Seal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@wusstunes If you make Melee content on youtube I WILL find you(r video and enjoy watching it and probably let you know that I enjoyed it by commenting)

  • @wooplaw1080
    @wooplaw1080 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    I think there should be a large event that doesn’t mention giga bowser at all in the rules, It shouldn’t mention whether he’s banned or not. Then bring in 1 dude that plays gigabowser and tell him he’s legal. The moment pools/round 1 starts, change the rules to make him legal…. And watch the fireworks

    • @t-real7088
      @t-real7088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      A lot of Smashers would just cry for their money back and threat to quit the scene most likely, some may even argue taking legal action, I wouldn't doubt it.

    • @wooplaw1080
      @wooplaw1080 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@t-real7088 there is no legal action that they could take, considering giga bowser wouldn’t be banned, just unlisted

    • @t-real7088
      @t-real7088 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@wooplaw1080 They could try if enough money is involved collectively as a class suit. Giga Bowser isn't accesible though "normal" means, it could be seen as a deceitful tactic to benefit certain players over others specially in the manner you were suggesting in your OP where they would also bring that "1" guy.

    • @abominationdesolation8322
      @abominationdesolation8322 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@t-real7088 Just be careful with rule wording so that no character is restricted so long as they can be knocked out of bounds, therefore only really banning Master/Crazy Hand. As for the other irregular characters, who cares? None of them are useful except maybe Mario Climbers.

    • @t-real7088
      @t-real7088 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@abominationdesolation8322 Which "careful rule wording" would be used to allow characters that aren't on a game without cheats/mods?
      Did I mentioned the other irregular characters at all?

  • @TheJSRF001
    @TheJSRF001 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    This was probably the most entertaining Melee vid Ive seen in years.
    I love this community.

  • @redheadbrothers
    @redheadbrothers 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Man, your editing is something utterly unique. No matter what you end up making, I'd watch it for that factor alone.

  • @J_Ciner
    @J_Ciner 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    You can really tell you came from a journalism background, this video is great. Super engaging narrative the whole way through, and love the editing too. Amazing work

  • @PartOfTheGame
    @PartOfTheGame 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    It's been proven, even in this video, that Giga isn't broken 100% of the time. He can get outplayed and out-combo'd. I agree with Genex, the counter-pick would be awesome. Having to choose for the blind if you counter-pick assuming the Giga round 1, or go normal pick. It would be amazing. And yeah, again as Genex said, imagine a finals "Best of 5" where it's 2-2 and someone counter-picks Giga. Even if they don't win, it would be AMAZING to see.

    • @sebastiangudino9377
      @sebastiangudino9377 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It breaks the current meta and makes characters like marth unviable. I would be fun for audiences for a while. But onces the novelty wears off it would leave everyone mad and annoyed.
      There is a reason why competitive players did not concent to play agains GigaBowser. Even players who main a favorsble matchup

    • @pokemonduck
      @pokemonduck 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sebastiangudino9377 I mean the top four characters make the rest of the game unviable so I don't think this would be a big deal for a handful of online only fights

  • @waluigipinballyt
    @waluigipinballyt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    a lot of effort clearly went into this video! this deserves a lot of recognition

  • @vbarreiro
    @vbarreiro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I just want you to know the audio reference to the Wrath of Giga Bowser did not go unnoticed. Liberi Fatali for me is a Giga Bowser song first and a Final Fantasy song second.
    (And weirdly enough, a Louis Vuitton song third; look it up)

  • @micahcaffery2267
    @micahcaffery2267 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Man thought he could sneak donkey kongs “bigger, and stronger too” without us noticing

  • @johnchumas7099
    @johnchumas7099 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Make Giga Bowser legal but only for one game per person. Imagine someone saving their Giga token for the last game at Grands

  • @telph3223
    @telph3223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Before the days of for glory, In brawl wii internet matchmaking, 12 year old me got paired up against a gigabowser who spawned in as Bowser, immediately transformed and would get an animation to turn back into regular Bowser every 30 seconds but then immediately turn back into giga Bowser. I've tried scouring the internet for the existence of this glitch or hack and I can't find anything.

  • @YungSaucePot
    @YungSaucePot ปีที่แล้ว +14

    We have AsumSaus at home

  • @Milktube
    @Milktube 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    "People didn't like to play against him because he was such an unfun opponent" Ah, so we should permaban Fox, Falco, and Marth too.

    • @HeDronHeDronHedron
      @HeDronHeDronHedron ปีที่แล้ว +2

      falco and fox and marth dont degenerate gameplay though

  • @thebaku818
    @thebaku818 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This entire video screams "graphic design is my passion" and that's a wonderful vibe

  • @zakarypembleton9666
    @zakarypembleton9666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I love how much time was spent explaining to us by pros, in detail, how Giga Bowser was broken. Fucking look at him 🥴

  • @Jellycent13
    @Jellycent13 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Clicked in expecting this to be a meme video, ended up actually watching the history of giga bowser for 30 minutes. Thank you for this masterpiece

  • @arhardar6873
    @arhardar6873 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    The kaiju truly does live up to his name. He's so strong that competitive players have to ban him in order to win. It's beautiful.
    Great video Wusstunes. I never expected this when the video was first teased, but man did I enjoy watching it!

  • @alolomololomolomomololola8854
    @alolomololomolomomololola8854 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Man this video feels like it came out in 2010 and I'm not even entirely sure if that's a bad thing
    It surely took a lot of editing power, so kudos for that

  • @stiyg
    @stiyg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This video criminally underrated your editing style is fire fr

  • @Dee_Legend
    @Dee_Legend 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Sick video! Never realized Giga Bowser had any tournament play so this was super interesting!

  • @apisl33t
    @apisl33t 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The Superdoodleman reference at 20:30 goes crazy. Thank you.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lmao thank you

  • @OmegaGlops
    @OmegaGlops 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Considering how stagnant Melee's meta is, and how _close_ a lot of the matches ended up being (to the point that Giga Bowser dropped sets and lost a tournament), I don't see why he shouldn't be legal. 🤷

    • @ObamaTheHedgehog
      @ObamaTheHedgehog 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Giga bowser hasn't been maximized at all, you're comparing maximized characters to somebody still in its infancy and he's still dominant.

    • @nahlies2382
      @nahlies2382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ObamaTheHedgehog I mean, if he's true hit stunned into rest from a pound, I absolutely believe man should be legal at LEAST as a consequence of legalizing wobbling

  • @blummbo
    @blummbo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    wow this was so good!!! loved the editing and music

  • @poblanopupp9966
    @poblanopupp9966 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Your editing is really good. The pacing is just right 👌

  • @ShankMods
    @ShankMods 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hilarious. Great story telling. Hope to see more like these.

  • @MarMaxGaming
    @MarMaxGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    also laughing at the dramatic echoey "avenging of the banished beast"

  • @jpoggi9081
    @jpoggi9081 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Sick video. Never thought about making him a legal character as I thought he was just broken. Maybe a joke series will come about that still has money on the line but legalizes giga bowser

    • @Eli-akad
      @Eli-akad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If anything level the playing field, make it so everyone has to play gigs bowser and gigs bowser only😂

  • @TwentyNineJP
    @TwentyNineJP 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's always the underdog who suffers from this kind of discriminatory bureaucracy

  • @lostanimeworld11
    @lostanimeworld11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I was hoping to hear about a giga Bowser mirror match.
    Also, my mind is blown after hearing the ending song from the old Mario Bros anime movie

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It's just such a beautiful song I couldn't help myself.
      As for giga dittos, best I can do is point you to the old giga Bowser ditto clip of mew2king fighting another giga Bowser. As it stands, any giga Bowser mirrors would have to be played in the real world because Slippi just straight up crashes if giga Bowser is on anything but port 2.

  • @cameronwebb5621
    @cameronwebb5621 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He should be tournament legal under the condition that picking him guarantees the opponent the opportunity to counter-pick regardless of who won the previous match.

  • @varielvaporeon
    @varielvaporeon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Peach being a good counter against G.Bowser is just sooo ironic.

  • @ParagonPKC
    @ParagonPKC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This editing is hilarious. I watched the whole thing. Good video

  • @saitinclock238
    @saitinclock238 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    This video was my introduction to your channel. Thank you, this is awesome and hearing more about Giga Bowser is sick!

  • @riboiman4005
    @riboiman4005 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Master Hand mains: Unbeatable, huh?

  • @graysquid14
    @graysquid14 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    after watching this video I now firmly believe that giga Bowser should be a tournament legal character in every smash bros game from now till the end

  • @mikaelamonsterland
    @mikaelamonsterland ปีที่แล้ว +5

    if giga bowser was tournament legal i think it would probably only take a few tourneys for people to get tired of seeing him

  • @cyfer115
    @cyfer115 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    A triumph! Legalize the Giga Bowser main near you 😃

  • @wompastompa3692
    @wompastompa3692 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Alpha of Awe. The Brute of Brawn. The Cultivator of Class. The Duke of Domination. The Emperor of Eloquence. The Fiercest of Fighters. The Greatest of Glory. The Height of Heroism. The Imperator of Intellectualism. The Jarl of Justice. The King of Knights. The Lord of Loquaciousness. The Master of Mortality. The Naysayer of Noobs. The Overlord of Obituaries. The Prince of Passion. The Que-hagen of Quixote. The Ruler of Ruination. The Sultan of Smite. The Taskmaster of Trembles. The Undertaker of Ubiquity. The Viscount of Vociferousness. The Warranter of Weaklings. The Xenophobe of Xenogeny. The Yardmaster of Yesteryear. The Zhar of Zoroastrianism.
    THE INDOMITUS REX
    THE ALPHA OF ALPHAS
    THE LORD OF LORDS
    THE JUSTICIAR OF JUSTICE
    THE TALLEST OF THE TALL
    THE KOOPA KAIJU
    ENTER GIGA BOWSER

  • @ratman262
    @ratman262 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    making giga legal would provide much-needed shakeups to an ancient game, and it's also really funny to watch both the character in action and purists crying about how busted he is
    but as a gamecube player I'm not keen on the idea of going to a tournament and having to fight a character that isn't available in my version of the game. In the interest of keeping a level playing field, giga should probably stay illegal.

  • @originalzero4422
    @originalzero4422 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm supposed to focus on the video but Holy Orders? playing as the intro got me vibing too hard

  • @sp1nda
    @sp1nda 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    such a good video. we need a giga bowser only tournament

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I might bring a setup And some graph paper to smym 22

  • @boks02_
    @boks02_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "with Nintendo taking a more active role in the smash scene lately" man that aged poorly

  • @nitro10155
    @nitro10155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Imagine playing in a tournament, finding out you have to play against Giga Bowser, then complaining AFTER you lose that player.

    • @Llortor
      @Llortor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Tbf, most players probably havent encountered GB enough in single player modes to know the differences in his toolkit

    • @creatingvideostobreakmyspe6049
      @creatingvideostobreakmyspe6049 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean they should say whats legal BEFOREHAND

    • @nitro10155
      @nitro10155 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@creatingvideostobreakmyspe6049 but thet did, the contestants just didn't read the fine print, it was pointed out in the video.

    • @kingofworms831
      @kingofworms831 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@nitro10155 also since it is tournament legal, technically they are yelling at a player that is playing legit as if he is doing something wrong, and that they are in the right.

  • @cloudedarctrooper
    @cloudedarctrooper 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yet another sick obscure character smash documentary from Wusstunes!

  • @eraflowski
    @eraflowski 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    this is some of the most advanced and well put together editing i've ever seen in my life. I'm gonna show this to my children and grand children.

  • @StormDogg
    @StormDogg ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super ironic that Giga Bowser's kidnapping victim is Bowser's one weakness.

  • @theshadowthie1
    @theshadowthie1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    17:37
    For anyone who wants to specifically know what this song is from, it's a karaoke version of an ost called Survive from the Wii game MadWorld, the game have an absolute treasure trove of bomb ass music

    • @tiporosso
      @tiporosso 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you know the song from 10:00?

    • @theshadowthie1
      @theshadowthie1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tiporosso nope sorry only knew about the song that I mentioned because I discovered it from a music radio broadcast lmao

  • @definitely-not-francis8561
    @definitely-not-francis8561 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was never deep into all the Smash games at all, so I was a little concerned I wouldn't be able to keep track of all the specific language of the game - but you managed to deliver and edit your video in a way that was great to follow. Super entertaining narrative and unironically love the music choices. Gotta check out your other videos!

  • @TheBuster0926
    @TheBuster0926 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Litterally biting my nails as I watch this never before seen before tournament.
    This dude: imagine some nail biting matchup being upended by a Gigabowser win!
    Me: *That's, what I'm here for.*

  • @WallaWaller
    @WallaWaller หลายเดือนก่อน

    I find it absolutely hilarious that Bowser's strongest incarnation is weak to the very person he regularly kidnaps.

  • @denzeltheeternalunderstudy2858
    @denzeltheeternalunderstudy2858 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love me some Giga Koopa Kaiju. Loved getting this in my recommended

  • @guillaumechau6082
    @guillaumechau6082 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's kinda sad how Bowser is so bad of a character in Melee that the only way to make him viable is to allow people to play as the bigger boss version.

  • @Eli-akad
    @Eli-akad 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Not really a major smash fan, but I be having a passing interest from time to time. I actually like seeing vids like this cause I really don’t be aware or the history outside the games themselves. Perfect edit too 23:54🤣

  • @knellycornnan5132
    @knellycornnan5132 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its funny how two of the most cutsy and not threatening looking character are some of the most lethal against what is basically demon bowser.

  • @DWN037
    @DWN037 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2:31 "This move was bigger,
    faster,"
    *_AND STRONGER TOO / HE'S THE FIRST MEMBER / OF THE DK CREW / HUH!_*

  • @Azoraith
    @Azoraith 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    15:47 Seeing one of my streams in these videos always gives me whiplash LOL. Great vid!

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! It was one of the tournaments Justin brought up as having legal wobbling in 2020 😅

  • @TheCindering
    @TheCindering 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think its less that giga bowser is overpowered, it's more so a total lack of experience playing against players using him so players are just not really ready for it. If he was always legal, I think strategies against him would develop more and more over time.

  • @wusstunes
    @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +2

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  • @StarlightEcho912
    @StarlightEcho912 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Loosely following the forbidden characters discord has been one hell of a ride as of late- and now I know why.

  • @NeonVenomProductions
    @NeonVenomProductions 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for sharing the song list at the end, so few youtubers actually do this.

  • @Xernitory
    @Xernitory 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    i’d absolutely watch tournaments with giga bowser but I feel like that would just make Nintendo hate them even more

  • @sevenhecks
    @sevenhecks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The algorithm is loving this vid king, you're gonna blow up and you deserve it :') keep up the good work

  • @omegafreddy12
    @omegafreddy12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Honestly, that's very interesting to hear that people would love to see giga bowser after all these years. I wager the people who don't want it are likely high-top players who don't want anything in the game to change as is, ironic seeing as they would be the best to adapt or even utilize counter picks like that. Honestly though, havng a character that beats spacies and a chunk of top tiers only to be beaten by less utilized characters sounds like cool counter play adaptation to me.

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except that's not what's gonna happen, worse characters will just get obliterated by him while the best ones stay where they are and he merely joins them. He's not gonna magically make Kirby or Mewtwo relevant or move anyone up a tier.
      To put it another way, what is DK gonna do against him? Ganon? Mario?

    • @omegafreddy12
      @omegafreddy12 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anothenblue2630 I meant peach and jiggly, not so much jiggly but peach has fallen a bit off the radar. That having been said there's no making half the roster viable so what's one more viable character in an already limited roster?

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@omegafreddy12 they are still high tier characters (and one of them is an abomination), their smaller presence is just a phase. Having an extra viable character is fine on paper, but the character in question here is Giga Bowser. His simplicity will cause a flood of Giga Bowsers that unga their way to the top.

    • @omegafreddy12
      @omegafreddy12 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anothenblue2630 yeah, causing people to have to know the match up. What a shame. It would simply mean having to pick up extra characters to cover bad mu's which is already used a lot anyways. GB isn't even an end all be all pick just good against the top of the top ironically.

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@omegafreddy12 he's not just good against the high tiers, he's good in general with far lower skill foor and a trait that completely invalidates a good chunk of the game's design (literally impossible to grab). That's the bigger problem. He's good, very janky and still easy to use. Even characters that supposedly are very good against him still have a hard time dealing with him.
      And all of this was discovered with very minimal playerbase. There's probably a lot of collision jank that has gone unnoticed just because nobody thought to.

  • @dankachilles9356
    @dankachilles9356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The editing of this story was soooooo good bro. Great video and subbing right away!

  • @calsalitra4689
    @calsalitra4689 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I get the feeling that Giga Bowser might not be quite as powerful as people think he is. Giga Bowser's strengths are undeniable, especially for how universally effective his tools are. However, his extreme strengths come with the extreme downsides of massive size and excessive landing lag. Any character with a reasonably fast option should be able to near infinitely combo him, as seen with a few of the characters in the video, and others still can cheese him for excessive damage. Yes, Bowser can shield into Whirling Fortress, but the shield doesn't have to be poked and the Whirling Fortress can be countered, his other neutral tools kind of suck, and all it takes is 1 opportunity to go full combo video against a character on the scale of Giga Bowser. The right setups and techniques just have to be found first.

  • @kie2
    @kie2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I flip flopped on Giga being legal during this video. I think Darkgenex's words about using Giga as a counterpick and how that could be meta centralizing is the thing that made me ultimately decide he should be illegal. I think I'd want to see how top 10 players feel about him before saying for sure because if really good players playing Giga are unbeatable without a counterpick then that would be the final nail.

  • @querecep
    @querecep 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    fantastic fucking video man, well researched and well executed all around. i got into melee last year and have been eating up related content. this kind of video really helps me understand the lore and culture better. thank you so much for taking the effort to put this into the world.

  • @YoshiKirishima
    @YoshiKirishima 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work and video! Also awesome ending and insert song LOL

  • @SkeletonSSBM
    @SkeletonSSBM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow, this video is great! Maybe make the music quieter next time, it was too loud but otherwise great vid. Happy to help out.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks! Yeah, I mixed the audio on a little laptop mostly and didn't really check it too closely on headphones. Definitely will take this into account in the future.

  • @CrimsonStrider
    @CrimsonStrider 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, some really good music choices. Absolutely loved that Mad World Survival song. Great video!