The Rise & Fall of Competitive Giga Bowser - Smash's BANNED Top-Tier

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  • LEGALIZE IT: my-store-d417cb.creator-sprin...
    Since 2001, Super Smash Brothers Melee has harbored a beast in the depths of its code. A creature that, were he to be legal, could change the game's competitive metagame forever. For a time during the COVID-19 quarantine, he nearly did.
    When in 2020, Giga Bowser was accidently unleashed onto Melee's netplay servers, a handful of players would push the character to previously unseen heights. This is their story. This is Giga Bowser's story.
    This video amounted to about two months of on-and-off work from research to interviews to writing and editing. I hope that you come away with a better understanding and appreciation of Melee's greatest monster and the nuances of The Big Turtle Guy.
    Should Giga Bowser be legal in SSBM? Sound off in the comments!
    If you know more about the competitive history of Giga Bowser that you feel is not adequately covered in this video, feel free to DM me on twitter @wusstunes or email me at matt.callosum@gmail.com. I tried my best to be thorough, but I imagine there is some pre-2020 G. Bowser history that I missed out on.
    My links:
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    **
    Thank you for all your support with this! This video took a lot of work from me and a lot of reaching out to players who were kind enough to share their stories (and in some cases, gameplay footage) with me. With that in mind, please be respectful towards them! I'm not trying to spur up any sort of harassment here.
    In addition, this video is currently unmonetized due to me being not good at setting up my google adsense! If you liked it, consider buying me a coffee. I will drink it happily.
    ko-fi.com/wusstunes
    further reading:
    Developing a Meta: Giga Bowser - • Developing a Meta: Gig...
    Mew2King with New Developments in the Giga Bowser Matchup Meta - • mew2king with new deve...
    Are you a Giga Bowser Player? - • Are You a Giga Bowser ...
    Play as Giga Bowser - Instructional Video • Play As Giga Bowser On...
    Deleted Scene - • these melee characters...
    Chapters:
    00:00 Intro
    00:35 What is Giga Bowser
    01:48 Giga Bowser is Kinda Broken
    03:44 The Second Coming
    05:50 The Three Tenets
    08:47 The Giga Gamble
    14:40 A Second Chance
    22:47 Regarding Legality
    27:27 Coda, a Farewell to Giga Arms
    30:25 song list ;)
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  • @titaniawallace4223
    @titaniawallace4223 ปีที่แล้ว +3191

    Giga Bowser should be legal once a month on the full moon like a werewolf

    • @Wyvernnnn
      @Wyvernnnn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      It's a bowser skin on the full moon 🥺

    • @smelly2897
      @smelly2897 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      finally someone with some sense

    • @bumpersincapped
      @bumpersincapped 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      like it's literally illegal to play as him

    • @bluewuppo
      @bluewuppo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      every leap year, you have 24 hours of gigabowser dominance

    • @elmiklosyt652
      @elmiklosyt652 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah

  • @LalitoTV
    @LalitoTV ปีที่แล้ว +2101

    Love the irony of peach being great on the giga Bowser matchup

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      True lol

    • @riacal7754
      @riacal7754 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      Got that experience.

    • @I_eat_toenails_420
      @I_eat_toenails_420 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      Lore wise, it’s crazy

    • @yaqbulyakkerbat4190
      @yaqbulyakkerbat4190 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      Even more ironic that giga peach is terrible against regular bowser

    • @ShaunMoore
      @ShaunMoore 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      & Falco.

  • @JonnyGamble
    @JonnyGamble ปีที่แล้ว +2723

    Legalize Male Wireframe and Giga Bowser so players like me don’t have to play low tiers like Sheik

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +213

      So true!!

    • @Calmtimer
      @Calmtimer ปีที่แล้ว +141

      And legalize master hand!

    • @maxmeyers771
      @maxmeyers771 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      You've finally reached youtube peak fame Jonny

    • @zachaboss
      @zachaboss ปีที่แล้ว +64

      @@Calmtimer That could be an interesting idea, if it wasn't for the fact that Master Hand cannot take knockback, making him basically unbeatable in a match with the standard ruleset. If they figured out how to make it work, that would definitely be awesome!

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      @@zachaboss Melee has support for matches where one character has % and the other has HP, that's how Master Hand fights work to begin with. It's just a matter of being able to enable it in multiplayer.
      Alternatively, mod the game so that Master Hand kills himself if his % is above 300.
      The problem is that Master Hand is genuine garbage and wouldn't be exciting to play as or watch since he cannot freely move and his attacks are horrily telegraphed and very punishable. Even Kirby would have a 9:1 matchup with him, if not 10:0.

  • @matthewzakrzewski1797
    @matthewzakrzewski1797 ปีที่แล้ว +2643

    For a long time I could never understand why darkgenex was so in favor of wobbling, the man was a perfectly solid spacie, but having seen this video I now understand that he is just insane

    • @DarkGenexSmash
      @DarkGenexSmash ปีที่แล้ว +462

      honestly facts

    • @Nazobypass
      @Nazobypass ปีที่แล้ว +72

      @@DarkGenexSmash hahaha, the man the legend lol

    • @telph3223
      @telph3223 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Wild card, bi***s!

    • @ryanfighterrayrayboi2305
      @ryanfighterrayrayboi2305 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Whats the theme that plays in the background? [in the intro]

    • @hellotide523
      @hellotide523 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ryanfighterrayrayboi2305 i think that is robo-kys theme from guilty gear

  • @arco2984
    @arco2984 ปีที่แล้ว +515

    The Giga Bowser mirror match is probably on of the the least explored matchups in Smash history.

    • @wnfeo4518
      @wnfeo4518 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

      definitely Giga Bowser favored

    • @LloydTheZephyrian
      @LloydTheZephyrian 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      @@wnfeo4518 I'd say it favors Giga Bowser more.

    • @Phantom_Kraken
      @Phantom_Kraken 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ⁠@@LloydTheZephyrian
      Idk man I think Giga bowser comes out on top in that matchup

    • @LloydTheZephyrian
      @LloydTheZephyrian 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@Phantom_Kraken Fair point, but Giga Bowser has that redonkulous smash attack.

    • @irahemenahreb9232
      @irahemenahreb9232 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@LloydTheZephyrian ok but giga bowser can just get to the edge out of the way

  • @RisingJericho
    @RisingJericho ปีที่แล้ว +1564

    It's cool and unfortunate this is what it takes for Bowser to see any form of competitive success in Melee

    • @nicocchi
      @nicocchi ปีที่แล้ว +91

      And he still can be cheesed hard by the usual suspects lmao

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@nicocchi clearly not as seen in the tournament fotage.

    • @randomperson9799
      @randomperson9799 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Either that or when DJ Nintendo played at a local. He's cancelled now though.

    • @raphu2272
      @raphu2272 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @Another Blue relax, it was just a weeklies lol
      Giga bowser is not viable in majors
      but melee is dead so w/e

    • @GynxShinx
      @GynxShinx ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Bowser's so bad that he was given an immortal version and it wasn't that broken.

  • @DarkGenexSmash
    @DarkGenexSmash ปีที่แล้ว +962

    my legacy... 🐢

  • @TheRealMew2king
    @TheRealMew2king ปีที่แล้ว +170

    Puff beats Giga Bowser. Legalize him so I can dual-main those 2 pls

  • @Pioxys
    @Pioxys ปีที่แล้ว +267

    Something about Peach making Giga Bowser worried sounds poetic.
    She gets kidnapped when she feels like it, and slaps down Bowser when she wants to fight.

    • @koumer
      @koumer ปีที่แล้ว +33

      that's hot

  • @lakethursday4793
    @lakethursday4793 ปีที่แล้ว +2420

    Giga Bowser should be allowed into tournament play and everyone who says otherwise is a coward

    • @Calmtimer
      @Calmtimer ปีที่แล้ว +257

      If you can't beat Giga Bowser you're just bad, we need the new meta, 1v1 no items final destination Giga Bowser only

    • @hunterculpepper1973
      @hunterculpepper1973 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Yeah I could 3 to 4 stock him

    • @PacyLucasFC
      @PacyLucasFC ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Hbox would end up raining Supreme

    • @lakethursday4793
      @lakethursday4793 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Calmtimer that's what i'm sayin

    • @junkytboy
      @junkytboy ปีที่แล้ว +7

      My Samus would destroy Giga Bowser

  • @itsbmeGaming
    @itsbmeGaming ปีที่แล้ว +524

    I'll never forget one of the funniest things that was on Mew2King's stream once, which apparently some of these clips are from. Before it was patched out, some players where exploiting Slippi to use Giga Bowser, and M2K happened to random into one. His random character first game was getting trolled and lost, so before he starts the next game, he pauses for a moment, and then just says "I know how to beat this" and goes right to puff. Next thing you know Giga Bowser is getting wrecked by Pound -> Rest. The Giga Bowser player at one point was on last stock and wasn't trolling anymore. They actually looked scared to approach.
    As broken as it is in many ways, Giga Bowser exacerbates Bowser's main issue: he's too damn big and gets beat up for it. Being big in Melee sucks.
    Great video! This is why I love Melee. All the stories makes this game so fun to be apart of.
    EDIT: Pound not nair!

    • @CAMSLAYER13
      @CAMSLAYER13 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Pretty sure the mew2king clips are from that

    • @itsbmeGaming
      @itsbmeGaming ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@CAMSLAYER13 I was there for that stream. It was so funny seeing it live.

    • @palecaptainwolfkayls8499
      @palecaptainwolfkayls8499 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I read this aloud to myself and couldn’t not laugh through half of this comment, it’s a good observation!

  • @ux66
    @ux66 ปีที่แล้ว +533

    Wow! I made the Mario Climbers code. Wild to see something I found mentioned in a documentary style video about my favorite game 😅 Kudos! Long Live Melee!

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +102

      omg a legend in the comments section. gonna need you around if i find out there were any mario climbers tournament runs.

    • @OmegaGlops
      @OmegaGlops ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I've got a question! Can that be done with every character? Are the Mario Climbers from an Event match that I'm forgetting, or could something like a "Mr. Game & Watch Climbers" be done in the same fashion? 🤔

    • @ux66
      @ux66 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@OmegaGlops
      Nah, I’m pretty sure it’s just garbage data being read for a character that happens to have the same flag for 2 fighters spawning at once that the Ice Climbers have (however they don’t also have the built-in delay between characters for inputs like Icies do). As for why it picks Mario, my guess is that it just defaults to him as a safeguard of some sort to not crash the game but I honestly don’t really know, lol
      And I believe so! I’m sure there’s AR codes floating around online that do a similar thing for other characters that would work in offline. Mario Climbers was just unique because it was loading something that was already present in the game but usually not accessible, so when you select it on unranked/direct connect, it would load in the other person’s game even if they didn’t have the codes; the code just allows you to access it, it doesn’t add anything to your game. But I think the other codes that do a similar thing add an additional fighter to whoever you picked, which obviously isn’t already a thing in the game and thus wouldn’t work on Slippi

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@ux66 oh that's so cool.

  • @Light_Repairman
    @Light_Repairman ปีที่แล้ว +83

    The fact that he used to wobble is hilariously fitting

    • @MarMaxGaming
      @MarMaxGaming ปีที่แล้ว +11

      lol for real! just wants an easy, cheap way to win bwahaha

    • @Light_Repairman
      @Light_Repairman ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@MarMaxGaming or maybe he just wants to make people suffer

    • @MarMaxGaming
      @MarMaxGaming ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Light_Repairman yeah, both are completely true

  • @ruqiyofarah9427
    @ruqiyofarah9427 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    I feel like the only reason people want giga bowser to be legal cause we want some chaos

    • @ObamaTheHedgehog
      @ObamaTheHedgehog ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Also how else are people going to get new melee characters, people will do melee gymnastics because of the novelty

    • @Natibe_
      @Natibe_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      We have seen enough Fox, Falco and Marth
      The Yoshi/Peach/Giga Bowser era shall be upon us
      Jank will rule the earth!

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Chaos shall reign supreme!

    • @jongyon7192p
      @jongyon7192p หลายเดือนก่อน

      This is indeed the case, and it's why I root for aMSa

  • @jickles16
    @jickles16 ปีที่แล้ว +144

    I get why it's not wanted in competitive play, but I do wish we could see more Giga Bowser gameplay at that high level just because it would be fun, and not as serious as competitive play.

    • @necromax13
      @necromax13 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Maybe including this big doofus on the gauntlets???

  • @enderger5308
    @enderger5308 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    I find it interesting how, despite nearly tying in their matches against him, many people consider Giga Bowser unfair.

    • @clownworld4655
      @clownworld4655 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Fr. Never played smash competitively, but giga bowser doesn’t seem very broken at all. Grab immunity, damage, and massive attack range would be his only big pros. Still slow as hell, a huge hit box, and bad at recovery

    • @localidiot450
      @localidiot450 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@clownworld4655 grounded up-B spam

    • @GarudaRamudasRumpusRoom
      @GarudaRamudasRumpusRoom 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      When you consider the amount of time that one might have put into playing Giga Bowser versus any other character in order to place in tournaments, it's fair to assume he's on a different tier than the other characters people have sunk thousands into. It's also important to consider a huge factor for their legality is how their design blatantly goes against many of the skills valued in competitive play.

    • @sebastiangudino9377
      @sebastiangudino9377 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      ​@@clownworld4655Huge hitbox means nothing when you can dowb-b out of shield. That dude is basically untouchable without receiving damage yourself

    • @drdiabeetus4419
      @drdiabeetus4419 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      It’s cause once you get to the top of a competitive scene of anything, you tend to react super negatively to anything that could potentially change said competitive scene. Melee players in particular are especially bad with this because they’re choosing to stick to an extremely out of date version of a game simply because the competitive scene of said game evolved to revolve around exploiting a glitch to gain an advantage and said glitch has been rightly patched from all subsequent versions.

  • @pandemonium2536
    @pandemonium2536 ปีที่แล้ว +496

    *"He's not fun to play against"*
    Fox, Falco, and Ice Climbers (When wobbling isn't banned): *"Allow us to introduce ourselves"*

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      No mention of Jigglypuff?
      But having other unfun characters to fight is not an excuse to add another one.

    • @crack4184
      @crack4184 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      @@anothenblue2630 Add Marth, Sheik, Luigi, DK... Melee is full of annoying characters anyway

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@crack4184 DK isn't even viable nor anywhere near as bad as Puff. None of the four are. I have a feeling you have no idea what you're talking about.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +67

      I like fighting every character but Zelda tbh

    • @squidtheinconsistent
      @squidtheinconsistent ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The only characters I really find annoying and unfun to play against are Jigglypuff (in everything) Samus (in ultimate if FS is enabled) and Hero. Everything else usually seems pretty tolerable. But god. Fucking Jigglypuff Pound BAir stalling is infuriating.

  • @DrewPicklesTheDark
    @DrewPicklesTheDark ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Make him legal occasionally. Meta needs to be mixed up now and then.

  • @TJ-Henry-Yoshi
    @TJ-Henry-Yoshi ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Anyone who picks giga bowser in bracket is an absolute villain in the best way possible,

    • @chair547
      @chair547 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      But how many A presses does it take to unlock giga bowser

    • @mrdeadmemes
      @mrdeadmemes ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​​@@chair547 this joke has been run into the ground man leave him alone

    • @usernametaken017
      @usernametaken017 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Imagine just entering a tournament and then having a surprise bossfight against giga fucking bowser

  • @wooplaw1080
    @wooplaw1080 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I think there should be a large event that doesn’t mention giga bowser at all in the rules, It shouldn’t mention whether he’s banned or not. Then bring in 1 dude that plays gigabowser and tell him he’s legal. The moment pools/round 1 starts, change the rules to make him legal…. And watch the fireworks

    • @t-real7088
      @t-real7088 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      A lot of Smashers would just cry for their money back and threat to quit the scene most likely, some may even argue taking legal action, I wouldn't doubt it.

    • @wooplaw1080
      @wooplaw1080 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@t-real7088 there is no legal action that they could take, considering giga bowser wouldn’t be banned, just unlisted

    • @t-real7088
      @t-real7088 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@wooplaw1080 They could try if enough money is involved collectively as a class suit. Giga Bowser isn't accesible though "normal" means, it could be seen as a deceitful tactic to benefit certain players over others specially in the manner you were suggesting in your OP where they would also bring that "1" guy.

    • @abominationdesolation8322
      @abominationdesolation8322 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@t-real7088 Just be careful with rule wording so that no character is restricted so long as they can be knocked out of bounds, therefore only really banning Master/Crazy Hand. As for the other irregular characters, who cares? None of them are useful except maybe Mario Climbers.

    • @t-real7088
      @t-real7088 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@abominationdesolation8322 Which "careful rule wording" would be used to allow characters that aren't on a game without cheats/mods?
      Did I mentioned the other irregular characters at all?

  • @ShinyGBZ
    @ShinyGBZ ปีที่แล้ว +238

    Incredible video dude, as a kid I always wondered how Giga Bowser would fit on the tier list if he were playable and finding out there were tournaments where he was allowed is insane. Thanks for covering this niche character!

  • @TheAweDude1
    @TheAweDude1 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I wonder if a "no counterpick Giga" rule could be implemented, where you cannot pick Giga Bowser as a counter pick. Either if you lost you can elect to pick first and allow the winner to counter pick you, or you can can't pick him after losing a game. I think the latter might be better, as it prevents people from winning a set with a surprise Giga Bowser, but still allows people to open sets with him.

    • @sunderkeenin
      @sunderkeenin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Bit late, but it'd be as simple as always allowing a counterpick if giga bowser is selected, likely worded as something like, "In the case that a player selects Giga Bowser, the other player will be allowed to select character again."

  • @bigchungus7870
    @bigchungus7870 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    8:47 King Bowser theme
    9:50 Necro and twelve snowland
    12:51 Clocktower stage
    14:49 Ending d-girls
    16:00 Breathing violently Streets of Rage
    17:38 Survival Mad World

    • @tiporosso
      @tiporosso ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Is that really the song at 9:50? I couldn't find that exact version of the song, where is it from?

    • @XavAMusic
      @XavAMusic ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Any idea of the song at 25:55?

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@tiporosso it's a track from king of the monster 2 for neo geo cd, check the replies to the pinned comment

    • @bingbong_luver
      @bingbong_luver ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The one at 16:00 is actually silent assassin from telken 2 coolheaded mix

    • @beaniedude436
      @beaniedude436 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      also the guitar from the very beginning of the vid is Holy orders -be just or be dead-

  • @PKspectre
    @PKspectre 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    I love the entire concept of playable Giga Bowser because it genuinely feels like you're in the middle of a boss battle during a tournament

  • @bannanafruitsalad
    @bannanafruitsalad ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Theres something so funny about falco trying to dair gBowswer 3 years into his up b and still losing

  • @PartOfTheGame
    @PartOfTheGame ปีที่แล้ว +63

    It's been proven, even in this video, that Giga isn't broken 100% of the time. He can get outplayed and out-combo'd. I agree with Genex, the counter-pick would be awesome. Having to choose for the blind if you counter-pick assuming the Giga round 1, or go normal pick. It would be amazing. And yeah, again as Genex said, imagine a finals "Best of 5" where it's 2-2 and someone counter-picks Giga. Even if they don't win, it would be AMAZING to see.

    • @sebastiangudino9377
      @sebastiangudino9377 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It breaks the current meta and makes characters like marth unviable. I would be fun for audiences for a while. But onces the novelty wears off it would leave everyone mad and annoyed.
      There is a reason why competitive players did not concent to play agains GigaBowser. Even players who main a favorsble matchup

  • @BunniBuu
    @BunniBuu ปีที่แล้ว +45

    As someone who doesn't play this game, feels like Giga Bowser should be legal but consideration to banning him as a counterpick. That way if you want to play him, you have to main him >:)

  • @DarthMagatsuTitanus64
    @DarthMagatsuTitanus64 ปีที่แล้ว +187

    Giga Bowser should be an official playable character in the next Smash Bros. He would operate similarly to how Multiversus did Iron Giant.

    • @yurifairy2969
      @yurifairy2969 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      they could easily patch him into Ultimate. He's very close to complete, he just needs a final smash and victory animations.

    • @mitchellalexander9162
      @mitchellalexander9162 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@yurifairy2969 What do you mean you can't Steal Bowser's Final Smash and make a Clone Final Smash for no effort?

    • @chriser5146
      @chriser5146 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "next smash"
      haha lmao, yeah right

    • @creature6715
      @creature6715 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@chriser5146 yes because Nintendo is just going to shelf one of its more profitable franchises

    • @hunbi1875
      @hunbi1875 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@creature6715 I mean they might. They'd at the very least have to heavily tone it back, but I can very well see the series stop coming out for the most part because Sakurai is a pretty hard guy to replace. Of course he might just say fuck it and keep making smash until he dies, seems like smth he would do

  • @UndertakerU2ber
    @UndertakerU2ber ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Tatsunoko vs Capcom tournaments sometimes legalize their giant "Giga Bowser-like" characters with highly specific rules in place. Just look at sports like baseball, which have a ton of niche rules that seem odd but are intended to address exploits and abuses that would ruin the integrity of the game.
    I'm sure Giga Bowser could be considered tournament legal if the anti-Giga Bowser crowd had their biggest complaints addressed with stipulations that prevented exploits, such as the one where one could pick GB on game 3 as a hard counter pick of the opponent's character for an easy win. Maybe have it so that a player can only choose to play as Giga on game one, they can stick with Giga on subsequent games so long as they picked Giga on game one, and they can also forfeit their chance to play Giga in subsequent games of the set by picking another character at the end of a match (but they won't have another chance to swap back to Giga again for the duration of the set against their current opponent).

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You had me at tatsunoko vs Capcom

  • @bulb9970
    @bulb9970 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I laughed everytime sentences like “giga bowser meta” or “counterpick giga bowser” were said

  • @SSB_Seal
    @SSB_Seal ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Another fun video. Good job documenting one of the sillier moments that happened in a corner of the Melee community!

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +15

      They really do call him seal bc he sees all

    • @SSB_Seal
      @SSB_Seal ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@wusstunes If you make Melee content on youtube I WILL find you(r video and enjoy watching it and probably let you know that I enjoyed it by commenting)

  • @zakarypembleton9666
    @zakarypembleton9666 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I love how much time was spent explaining to us by pros, in detail, how Giga Bowser was broken. Fucking look at him 🥴

  • @mudkypz
    @mudkypz ปีที่แล้ว +85

    One of my favorite smash videos in the past year! Incredible editing and a hilarious and fun ride. Long live Giga Bowser!

  • @vbarreiro
    @vbarreiro ปีที่แล้ว +25

    I just want you to know the audio reference to the Wrath of Giga Bowser did not go unnoticed. Liberi Fatali for me is a Giga Bowser song first and a Final Fantasy song second.
    (And weirdly enough, a Louis Vuitton song third; look it up)

  • @J_Ciner
    @J_Ciner ปีที่แล้ว +17

    You can really tell you came from a journalism background, this video is great. Super engaging narrative the whole way through, and love the editing too. Amazing work

  • @TheJSRF001
    @TheJSRF001 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    This was probably the most entertaining Melee vid Ive seen in years.
    I love this community.

  • @redheadbrothers
    @redheadbrothers ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Man, your editing is something utterly unique. No matter what you end up making, I'd watch it for that factor alone.

  • @arhardar6873
    @arhardar6873 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    The kaiju truly does live up to his name. He's so strong that competitive players have to ban him in order to win. It's beautiful.
    Great video Wusstunes. I never expected this when the video was first teased, but man did I enjoy watching it!

  • @waluigipinballyt
    @waluigipinballyt ปีที่แล้ว +23

    a lot of effort clearly went into this video! this deserves a lot of recognition

  • @riboiman4005
    @riboiman4005 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Master Hand mains: Unbeatable, huh?

  • @telph3223
    @telph3223 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Before the days of for glory, In brawl wii internet matchmaking, 12 year old me got paired up against a gigabowser who spawned in as Bowser, immediately transformed and would get an animation to turn back into regular Bowser every 30 seconds but then immediately turn back into giga Bowser. I've tried scouring the internet for the existence of this glitch or hack and I can't find anything.

  • @Milktube
    @Milktube ปีที่แล้ว +29

    "People didn't like to play against him because he was such an unfun opponent" Ah, so we should permaban Fox, Falco, and Marth too.

    • @HeDronHeDronHedron
      @HeDronHeDronHedron 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      falco and fox and marth dont degenerate gameplay though

  • @Jellycent13
    @Jellycent13 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Clicked in expecting this to be a meme video, ended up actually watching the history of giga bowser for 30 minutes. Thank you for this masterpiece

  • @poblanopupp9966
    @poblanopupp9966 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Your editing is really good. The pacing is just right 👌

  • @alolomololomolomomololola8854
    @alolomololomolomomololola8854 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Man this video feels like it came out in 2010 and I'm not even entirely sure if that's a bad thing
    It surely took a lot of editing power, so kudos for that

  • @stiyg
    @stiyg ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This video criminally underrated your editing style is fire fr

  • @micahcaffery2267
    @micahcaffery2267 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Man thought he could sneak donkey kongs “bigger, and stronger too” without us noticing

  • @definitely-not-francis8561
    @definitely-not-francis8561 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was never deep into all the Smash games at all, so I was a little concerned I wouldn't be able to keep track of all the specific language of the game - but you managed to deliver and edit your video in a way that was great to follow. Super entertaining narrative and unironically love the music choices. Gotta check out your other videos!

  • @saitinclock238
    @saitinclock238 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    This video was my introduction to your channel. Thank you, this is awesome and hearing more about Giga Bowser is sick!

  • @Dee_Legend
    @Dee_Legend ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Sick video! Never realized Giga Bowser had any tournament play so this was super interesting!

  • @apisl33t
    @apisl33t ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Superdoodleman reference at 20:30 goes crazy. Thank you.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao thank you

  • @dankachilles9356
    @dankachilles9356 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The editing of this story was soooooo good bro. Great video and subbing right away!

  • @blummbo
    @blummbo ปีที่แล้ว +5

    wow this was so good!!! loved the editing and music

  • @lostanimeworld11
    @lostanimeworld11 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I was hoping to hear about a giga Bowser mirror match.
    Also, my mind is blown after hearing the ending song from the old Mario Bros anime movie

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's just such a beautiful song I couldn't help myself.
      As for giga dittos, best I can do is point you to the old giga Bowser ditto clip of mew2king fighting another giga Bowser. As it stands, any giga Bowser mirrors would have to be played in the real world because Slippi just straight up crashes if giga Bowser is on anything but port 2.

  • @ParagonPKC
    @ParagonPKC ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This editing is hilarious. I watched the whole thing. Good video

  • @johnchumas7099
    @johnchumas7099 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Make Giga Bowser legal but only for one game per person. Imagine someone saving their Giga token for the last game at Grands

  • @Eli-akad
    @Eli-akad ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Not really a major smash fan, but I be having a passing interest from time to time. I actually like seeing vids like this cause I really don’t be aware or the history outside the games themselves. Perfect edit too 23:54🤣

  • @jpoggi9081
    @jpoggi9081 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Sick video. Never thought about making him a legal character as I thought he was just broken. Maybe a joke series will come about that still has money on the line but legalizes giga bowser

    • @Eli-akad
      @Eli-akad ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If anything level the playing field, make it so everyone has to play gigs bowser and gigs bowser only😂

  • @CrimsonStrider
    @CrimsonStrider ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, some really good music choices. Absolutely loved that Mad World Survival song. Great video!

  • @DespicableDemon
    @DespicableDemon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't care for smash at all, let alone melee, but this was a really well put together video. Good editing, great pacing, love the citation for every source. But your music choice? Perfection. ESPECIALLY having Anarchy Reigns tracks, that's a 1000% thumbs up from me. Subbed

  • @mikaela5938
    @mikaela5938 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    if giga bowser was tournament legal i think it would probably only take a few tourneys for people to get tired of seeing him

  • @cyfer115
    @cyfer115 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    A triumph! Legalize the Giga Bowser main near you 😃

  • @NeonVenomProductions
    @NeonVenomProductions ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for sharing the song list at the end, so few youtubers actually do this.

  • @RabbitEarsCh
    @RabbitEarsCh ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a much cooler video than I imagined. Very well edited. I love your deep-fried style, and I enjoyed this journey into quarantined melee insanity.
    God bless our bravest Giga Bowser soldiers.

  • @theshadowthie1
    @theshadowthie1 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    17:37
    For anyone who wants to specifically know what this song is from, it's a karaoke version of an ost called Survive from the Wii game MadWorld, the game have an absolute treasure trove of bomb ass music

    • @tiporosso
      @tiporosso ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you know the song from 10:00?

    • @theshadowthie1
      @theshadowthie1 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tiporosso nope sorry only knew about the song that I mentioned because I discovered it from a music radio broadcast lmao

  • @TheBoss4711
    @TheBoss4711 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Realistically, not being able to be grabbed is the only thing that makes the character broken, but it's just so polarizing of a trait that even if it was on normal Bowser then it would be ban worthy.

  • @YoshiKirishima
    @YoshiKirishima ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work and video! Also awesome ending and insert song LOL

  • @blandeanders7433
    @blandeanders7433 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey, man. I just wanted to drop by and say I really enjoyed the video. Keep up the great work! Subscribed.

  • @querecep
    @querecep ปีที่แล้ว +4

    fantastic fucking video man, well researched and well executed all around. i got into melee last year and have been eating up related content. this kind of video really helps me understand the lore and culture better. thank you so much for taking the effort to put this into the world.

  • @evilmegasteve
    @evilmegasteve ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I don’t play or watch melee and I only know a small bit about it, but what a great and interesting video. Thanks for documenting this!

  • @rawrizord
    @rawrizord ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The algorithm is loving this vid king, you're gonna blow up and you deserve it :') keep up the good work

  • @shm0n3y
    @shm0n3y ปีที่แล้ว

    just found your channel and these documentaries are so fire, love the melee community

  • @graysquid14
    @graysquid14 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    after watching this video I now firmly believe that giga Bowser should be a tournament legal character in every smash bros game from now till the end

  • @eraflowski
    @eraflowski ปีที่แล้ว +6

    this is some of the most advanced and well put together editing i've ever seen in my life. I'm gonna show this to my children and grand children.

  • @kermillion17
    @kermillion17 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video along with the 3rd strike music earned u a sub. Keep it up

  • @originalzero4422
    @originalzero4422 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm supposed to focus on the video but Holy Orders? playing as the intro got me vibing too hard

  • @wusstunes
    @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +221

    Giga Bowser is nearly twice the size of Bowser!
    Thanks for watching! Since a lot of people have asked about different tracks, the list of songs is at 30:25. They're listed in sequential order.

    • @Spunney
      @Spunney ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think it would be cool to timestamp them in the description so someone doesn't have to manually search through the video in-order just to find which track is which! Also I absolutely cannot find "vs. player 2, king of the monsters 2" anywhere

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Spunney downloads.khinsider.com/game-soundtracks/album/king-of-the-monster-2-the-next-thing-neo-geo-cd/22%2520VS%2520PLAYER%25202.mp3
      It would be cool! I'm personally not inclined to do that rn, will maybe think about finding other ways to demarcate that info in the future.

    • @Spunney
      @Spunney ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wusstunes Thanks!!

    • @Orbrun
      @Orbrun ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What a great video. It makes me wish someone covered the history of 200 buffer melee.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Orbrun lmao! I remember watching magi play 200 buffer Ganon dittos back in the day when she didn't have Ethernet. Good times.

  • @denzeltheeternalunderstudy2858
    @denzeltheeternalunderstudy2858 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love me some Giga Koopa Kaiju. Loved getting this in my recommended

  • @Azoraith
    @Azoraith ปีที่แล้ว +1

    15:47 Seeing one of my streams in these videos always gives me whiplash LOL. Great vid!

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! It was one of the tournaments Justin brought up as having legal wobbling in 2020 😅

  • @shadefire8605
    @shadefire8605 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This whole topic is just hilarious. Great coverage

  • @OmegaGlops
    @OmegaGlops ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Considering how stagnant Melee's meta is, and how _close_ a lot of the matches ended up being (to the point that Giga Bowser dropped sets and lost a tournament), I don't see why he shouldn't be legal. 🤷

    • @ObamaTheHedgehog
      @ObamaTheHedgehog ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Giga bowser hasn't been maximized at all, you're comparing maximized characters to somebody still in its infancy and he's still dominant.

    • @nahlies2382
      @nahlies2382 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ObamaTheHedgehog I mean, if he's true hit stunned into rest from a pound, I absolutely believe man should be legal at LEAST as a consequence of legalizing wobbling

  • @ShankMods
    @ShankMods ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hilarious. Great story telling. Hope to see more like these.

  • @RiverRiceRansom
    @RiverRiceRansom ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This editing style is very interesting, I like it!

  • @cloudedarctrooperdtq3532
    @cloudedarctrooperdtq3532 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yet another sick obscure character smash documentary from Wusstunes!

  • @psiseven
    @psiseven ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If people are upset about encountering Giga Bowser in a tournament, they should just also pick Giga Bowser. Sounds like a skill issue to me

  • @animeluigiboy
    @animeluigiboy ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Giga Bowser is definitely one of the craziest characters in Smash Bros with his strong attacks and terrifying up special. I would love his design to be in a Mario game as a final boss.

  • @Shiradrenaline
    @Shiradrenaline ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, man. Hilarious editing gags, too. Shout out to MOAL, pgh smash keeping it real 🤙

  • @SUPDOZ
    @SUPDOZ ปีที่แล้ว

    loved the editing in this video, very funny

  • @sp1nda
    @sp1nda ปีที่แล้ว +6

    such a good video. we need a giga bowser only tournament

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I might bring a setup And some graph paper to smym 22

  • @varielvaporeon
    @varielvaporeon ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Peach being a good counter against G.Bowser is just sooo ironic.

  • @thebaku818
    @thebaku818 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This entire video screams "graphic design is my passion" and that's a wonderful vibe

  • @xxcarioxx2261
    @xxcarioxx2261 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!! I hope this channel pops off!

  • @XcitaTheArceus
    @XcitaTheArceus ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yo I Love all the traditional fg music. was super surprised to hear Robo-Ky’s and Chun-Li’s theme!

  • @Evixyn
    @Evixyn ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I would love to see giga koopa as he would definitely shake up the meta game. I am tired of see McCloud / Lumbardi or Marth / sheik in grands or top eight. When I see a green Mario Yoshi, puff or Pikachu I get excited. If I see Mario or Ganon I'm officially excited.

    • @UnuUO
      @UnuUO ปีที่แล้ว +2

      puff isn’t bad she’s a top tier she’s just a bit less common bc people literally don’t enjoy playing her bc the optimal way to play her is very boring

    • @CAMSLAYER13
      @CAMSLAYER13 ปีที่แล้ว

      Puff absolutely crushes giga bowser

    • @Evixyn
      @Evixyn ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@UnuUO I was mostly referring to Hbox as he is the only the puff user who makes her great. I do agree that she is uncommon and is hardly played.

    • @abominationdesolation8322
      @abominationdesolation8322 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      >a green Mario
      heh

  • @platinumangel6282
    @platinumangel6282 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazingly made video, it's a real shame you got 60k views but only 2k subs you deserve more man
    Keep up the good work

  • @Alex-xk5xt
    @Alex-xk5xt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great work! hope to see more from you

  • @SkeletonSSBM
    @SkeletonSSBM ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow, this video is great! Maybe make the music quieter next time, it was too loud but otherwise great vid. Happy to help out.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks! Yeah, I mixed the audio on a little laptop mostly and didn't really check it too closely on headphones. Definitely will take this into account in the future.

  • @defibillytor6639
    @defibillytor6639 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video! Love the time put into this

  • @Lucas.Blevins
    @Lucas.Blevins ปีที่แล้ว

    You got a new subscriber! Great video. I loved watching this

  • @carolinesherman
    @carolinesherman ปีที่แล้ว

    your music picks are awesome