UP Steam Shop Progress Report on the restoration progress being made on UP844, UP 4014 & 3985 presented at the Rocky Mountain Train Show in Denver, CO on March 5, 2016 ( part 2 of 2 )
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR SHARING THE PROGRESS YOU HAVE MADE IN RESTORING STEAM ENGINE #4014. MAY GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU. I WILL BE 80 YRS. YOUNG IN JULY,AND I WANT TO CONTINUE WATCHING YOUR SHOW.
Being I am retired merchant marine and have a lot of time on 600 and 900 pound superheated steam turbine systems, they are doing many of the same things that we would do for USCG and ABS inspections. I took precision machining in community college as well as some engineering courses. They are doing a wonderful job just keeping a 70 - 75 year old piece of equipment in service.
very pleased to see so much effort and dedication go into preserving and reconditioning these steel beasts. Steam power ushered in the industrial revolution in America, it built America and Union Pacific is doing a remarkable job keeping history chugging along our railways.
Your dedication to your craft Ed are exemplary of your integrity personally! I enjoy every posting of your interviews you have given here, ever since we met in Kansas City May 29, 2011 a day that changed my life as I knew it as it began anew my early dreams of this steam locomotive since childhood and my dad's fascination he instilled in me of UP 844(4)! 12 songs and my first symphony composition in the works now, for my 2019's music contribution in UP's Golden Spike Ceremony at Promontory, I can definetly hold contributory to you and your love of this train and 4014, too, Ed! great work and fabulous talk! I woke up to this notification on my facebook Timeline this morning! it is now 7pm and I have had it playing on my phone herexall day as I went about my housework and piano playing session earlier! I feel a song comin on now.................
Thank you so very much for such a comprehensive presentation of the work done on three very fine locomotives. It is important to preserve railroad history, and the history of this nation.
Fantastic at every level: informative, candid, spirited, detailed, authoritative, clear and totally dedicated to the task. Thanks so much. We could not hope for a better vid. on this the most worthwhile steam restoration ever undertaken. Five Star. I did not even know about hollow stays and how they indicate stay failures before they become dangerous. Just great! I'm coming to the US to travel behind 4014. Just got to be there.
I find the restoration work being performed, just fascinating. Marrying the new with the old and make it better, safer, more convenient for all involved. What a great project and tremendous results. For 844, it won't be long now to watch it work, in all of its glory. Thanks Ed, crew, and to the UP, to make this happen next on the 4014.
enjoyed the videos I only wish I could work on them but living in Mo. the commute would be a killer. Its hard to wait until they start hitting the rails again. Thank You to all who labor to keep these fine ladies alive and to the Union Pacific for having the vision to see that it's done
Fantastic presentation by Ed Dickens. What struck me most was the attitude, the effort, and the willingness to do a thorough job, no cutting of corners, so the work done now will last for decades, and avoid as many surprises and problems in the future. With the advances in metallurgy since the locomotives were built, I wonder how much that will contribute to their longevity and the avoidance of problems.
A Splendid hour watching both parts. The standard of workmanship -especially on the firebox corner replacement speaks for itself. It looks fabulous. I'll try a save for an air ticket in '19 !!! )
Say what you want about Ed Dickens, his assesment and interpretation of things as it relates to the restoration is magnificent...He's as knowledgable and as on point regarding the restoration project as anyone else you can find.....
I find it absolutely incredible that the UP had the forsight to keep all these old drawings, itis almost like they knew that some day the UP would be bringing a big boy back to life not to mention keeping steam alive with the 844 and the challenger. You guy's are awesome.
These drawings are worth their weight in gold. Today I succeed to rebuild & recalibrate the servo hydraulics of a 16 year old Finn-Power Oy CNC punching machine, only because the customer still had the original documentation. The machine is now running as new, thanks to the information.
It was close to the steam locomotive development steam continued to improve efficiency long after we stopped building steam here in the US there were many improvements to exhaust nozzle designed many other items. The last major production run of steam was over 30 years in China The QJ's 2-10-2 coal burning from beginning to end of operation. the QJ's even opened a brand new mountain railroad in the 90's
Hello Steam Up, I really enjoy your videos. I live over here on the East cost and was a volunteer of Steamtown NHS. for 3 1/2 years. Seeing the 4012 sitting there and seeing how big that locomotive is. It's hard to believe that unit was built in upper state NY. at Alco. My Mother enjoyed listening to you speak as well. She remembers the steam era. God willing in April she'll be 85 years old. My Mother says you have a very good speaking voice and you speak clearly that she could understand everything you said. You had said the 844 has never been taken off the active roster, How many miles has that locomotive traveled? I think it's cool that you're still finding tools that the UP used in the day. When I was at Steamtown, I was co-Lead on a project we were comedic restoring the only other Delaware Lackawanna and Western steam locomotive # 565 2-6-0 built by Alco in 1908. The things you were talking about finding repairs that were made through the years, I can relate too. I'm looking forward in seeing your next progress report videos. There very educational to watch. God Bless,Len.
Hi Len, You may have gotten an email from me my apologies it was intended for someone else. I also worked at steam town in the mid 60's in Vermont. never thought it would wind up with a complete Backshop in Scranton, Pa.
Clearly a lot of work and dedication. Thanks for doing it! You guys should build a tent around the locomotives and fill it with Nitrogen when they are out of service so they can't rust.
1:20 "Their tools, their methods" . Sorry to correct you, these are now your tools & your methods. After your dedication to resurrect them, they are now yours, you are the master craftsman, take proud ownership of the skills you have earned.
+SkipW *Thanks for an informative two-part on rebuilding a steamer to go, go, go* on a regular schedule for up to five years at a stretch. All the problems shown here will be part of any attempt to get old Baldwin Locomotive Works SerNo 2816 "Reno," an 1871-vintage 4-4-0, ex-Virginia & Truckee River, back into service with a new wagon-top boiler appropriate in scale to a 32-1/2-ton Standard but equal in quality to the far larger boilers installed by American Locomotive on the Union Pacific FEF-3's, CSA-5's, and BB-1's on the Schenectady, NY, USA, assembly line.
Time & money. These engineers are at the peak of their profession, this is expensive high quality workmanship. This lends some heavy big time credit to UP management to recognize & commit to the steam projects. As a non American, ever since I was a child, when I thought of UP, I thought of the Bog Boys. More than any other class, the 4014 is UP.
It's nice to know the thought going into the rebuild and the quality of the refurbished and new parts they're using on 844, in 15 years when it's time to do it again it shouldn't take as long.
Thanks Ed and I do remember that whistle blowing when you came out onto the mainline, great sound. And I have the 4014 the Movie on my channel, as you guys worked on it, Here in California at the Fairplex. Then out on the mainline, I pretty much camped out there.
Do you have the time to do presentations like this more often? This was great and I am fanatically following the progress of the UP's efforts in putting these magnificent machines back on the track, pulling honest loads. Breakthroughs or glitches in the planned processes - can you tell us about them?
I'm new to this channel but I remember the 844 tearing up the line and then a fire happened. Is that why she was taken off the line? I also can't wait to see the Big Boy thunder down the tracks again!
Hi Skip. I was just up in Cheyenne visiting the UP shops, specifically work on the 844 and 4014 Big Boy. Might I have access to a few seconds of your footage of both trains underway? Happy to provide you with the raw footage we shot in Cheyenne. I will of course provide full courtesy credits to you. Thanks.
Great presentation! With all the experience rebuilding 844 that you and your team are getting, what would it take to restore the 838 and return it to the tracks when the other 3 steam projects are complete?
+J. Smith 838 will never return to the rails as it's a donor for parts for 844. However, it would be cool if some volunteers could get together with funds to rebuild 833 and return it to the rails, from what I've read it's still in excellent shape.
when he means go home? Does he mean tp Cheyenne or home from work? IN other words, you have to take out the supper heaters and other components in order to avoid crossoin>
What will happen to all these , what will be now trained steam locomotive repair people when this series of 2 or 3 rebuilds are completed ? It would be a shame to lose all those skilled crafts people.
When putting a locomotive in storage would it not be beneficial to fill the boiler with dry nitrogen at 10 or 20 PSI after the heating process. This would stop the action of ambient oxygen in the boiler
Hi All, Wonder When the 9885 Will B Back Under Steam Again? Both the 3985 and 4014 Would MAKE Good Steam Partners as Double Headers etc on Trips, BIG Power at Its Best. Tnx, Operater, Calgary
they built a brand new engine in the uk called typhoon which meant they had to build to old prints but with new boiler and firebox this meant a complete welded boiler how come they did not up grade when they had a chance
I BET THIS GUY NEVER POUNDED A STAY BOLT IN HIS LIFE. OR REPLACED A FLUE. WASHED A BOILER PUT IN A NEW FIRE BOX WASHED OUT A FRONT END THERE IS A LOT TO DO ON A STEAM ENGINE
Harold, all of these guys do all of the work themselves. They put in many hours over and above their regular professional duties for the UP. Many work day, night and weekends on these restoration projects FOR FREE. This guy is also the engineer at the throttle of the 844 for most of the tours, so he is definitely a qualified, hands on, capable and hard working guy. Unless you are there with a rivet anvil, hammer, torch, pry bar, reamer, drift or other tool, I really don't think you have any right evaluating his abilities or efforts.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR SHARING THE PROGRESS YOU HAVE MADE IN RESTORING STEAM ENGINE #4014. MAY GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU. I WILL BE 80 YRS. YOUNG IN JULY,AND I WANT TO CONTINUE WATCHING YOUR SHOW.
Being I am retired merchant marine and have a lot of time on 600 and 900 pound superheated steam turbine systems, they are doing many of the same things that we would do for USCG and ABS inspections. I took precision machining in community college as well as some engineering courses. They are doing a wonderful job just keeping a 70 - 75 year old piece of equipment in service.
very pleased to see so much effort and dedication go into preserving and reconditioning these steel beasts. Steam power ushered in the industrial revolution in America, it built America and Union Pacific is doing a remarkable job keeping history chugging along our railways.
Your dedication to your craft Ed are exemplary of your integrity personally! I enjoy every posting of your interviews you have given here, ever since we met in Kansas City May 29, 2011 a day that changed my life as I knew it as it began anew my early dreams of this steam locomotive since childhood and my dad's fascination he instilled in me of UP 844(4)! 12 songs and my first symphony composition in the works now, for my 2019's music contribution in UP's Golden Spike Ceremony at Promontory, I can definetly hold contributory to you and your love of this train and 4014, too, Ed! great work and fabulous talk! I woke up to this notification on my facebook Timeline this morning! it is now 7pm and I have had it playing on my phone herexall day as I went about my housework and piano playing session earlier! I feel a song comin on now.................
Thank you so very much for such a comprehensive presentation of the work done on three very fine locomotives. It is important to preserve railroad history, and the history of this nation.
Fantastic at every level: informative, candid, spirited, detailed, authoritative, clear and totally dedicated to the task. Thanks so much. We could not hope for a better vid. on this the most worthwhile steam restoration ever undertaken. Five Star. I did not even know about hollow stays and how they indicate stay failures before they become dangerous. Just great! I'm coming to the US to travel behind 4014. Just got to be there.
Thanks for watching, Ed Dickens has a great presentation for sure! & 2019 is the target for 4014 last I heard
I find the restoration work being performed, just fascinating. Marrying the new with the old and make it better, safer, more convenient for all involved. What a great project and tremendous results. For 844, it won't be long now to watch it work, in all of its glory. Thanks Ed, crew, and to the UP, to make this happen next on the 4014.
To me, this really explains why the funds are in excess of one million dollars in restoration costs. Thank you for sharing this video explanation.
enjoyed the videos I only wish I could work on them but living in Mo. the commute would be a killer. Its hard to wait until they start hitting the rails again. Thank You to all who labor to keep these fine ladies alive and to the Union Pacific for having the vision to see that it's done
Fantastic presentation by Ed Dickens. What struck me most was the attitude, the effort, and the willingness to do a thorough job, no cutting of corners, so the work done now will last for decades, and avoid as many surprises and problems in the future.
With the advances in metallurgy since the locomotives were built, I wonder how much that will contribute to their longevity and the avoidance of problems.
Well done up-date at the Rocky Mountain Train Show. Like all the detailed welding.
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A Splendid hour watching both parts. The standard of workmanship -especially on the firebox corner replacement speaks for itself. It looks fabulous.
I'll try a save for an air ticket in '19 !!! )
Union Pacific is one class act! Thanks for sharing.
Say what you want about Ed Dickens, his assesment and interpretation of things as it relates to the restoration is magnificent...He's as knowledgable and as on point regarding the restoration project as anyone else you can find.....
Wonderful close-ups. I'll key in 4014 and see if I can find out what it's supposed to look like. Thank you for all you do to keep this history alive!
I find it absolutely incredible that the UP had the forsight to keep all these old drawings, itis almost like they knew that some day the UP would be bringing a big boy back to life not to mention keeping steam alive with the 844 and the challenger. You guy's are awesome.
These drawings are worth their weight in gold.
Today I succeed to rebuild & recalibrate the servo hydraulics of a 16 year old Finn-Power Oy CNC punching machine, only because the customer still had the original documentation. The machine is now running as new, thanks to the information.
Great video! All that hard work and dedication is amazing! Wish I were there!
I just finished watching both parts. Thanks for posting them. Had already heard that 844 would be back out on the rails this year.
WOW ! They are really doing a first class Job.
I sure hope you guys realize you are restoring a national treasure by doing this . great job hats off to ya . make sure they are perfect!!!!!
Not only a national treasure, the Big Boy design is the pinnacle of steam engine development, giving the 4014 world class importance.
It was close to the steam locomotive development steam continued to improve efficiency long after we stopped building steam here in the US there were many improvements to exhaust nozzle designed many other items. The last major production run of steam was over 30 years in China The QJ's 2-10-2 coal burning from beginning to end of operation. the QJ's even opened a brand new mountain railroad in the 90's
Hello Steam Up, I really enjoy your videos. I live over here on the East cost and was a volunteer of Steamtown NHS. for 3 1/2 years. Seeing the 4012 sitting there and seeing how big that locomotive is. It's hard to believe that unit was built in upper state NY. at Alco. My Mother enjoyed listening to you speak as well. She remembers the steam era. God willing in April she'll be 85 years old. My Mother says you have a very good speaking voice and you speak clearly that she could understand everything you said. You had said the 844 has never been taken off the active roster, How many miles has that locomotive traveled? I think it's cool that you're still finding tools that the UP used in the day. When I was at Steamtown, I was co-Lead on a project we were comedic restoring the only other Delaware Lackawanna and Western steam locomotive # 565 2-6-0 built by Alco in 1908. The things you were talking about finding repairs that were made through the years, I can relate too. I'm looking forward in seeing your next progress report videos. There very educational to watch. God Bless,Len.
Hi Len,
You may have gotten an email from me my apologies it was intended for someone else. I also worked at steam town in the mid 60's in Vermont. never thought it would wind up with a complete Backshop in Scranton, Pa.
Great videos and great work. Thank you for taking the time to document the progress and to share with everyone.
Clearly a lot of work and dedication. Thanks for doing it! You guys should build a tent around the locomotives and fill it with Nitrogen when they are out of service so they can't rust.
Thx for your time sharing these videos.
+skeeterweazel Good to hear that & thanks for watching
grazie di cuore per questo bellissimo video complimenti un saluto caro tuo amico dalla sicilia giuseppe
Thank you for posting. Great to hear what is going on with the steam program !!
Awesome information, thanks
1:20 "Their tools, their methods" . Sorry to correct you, these are now your tools & your methods. After your dedication to resurrect them, they are now yours, you are the master craftsman, take proud ownership of the skills you have earned.
This guy is very cool and Union Pacific is a really cool shop.
Very informative, thanks for posting.
thanks for watching
Amazing American engineering. Thank you!
Thank you Skip, I really enjoy your videos
+SkipW *Thanks for an informative two-part on rebuilding a steamer to go, go, go* on a regular schedule for up to five years at a stretch. All the problems shown here will be part of any attempt to get old Baldwin Locomotive Works SerNo 2816 "Reno," an 1871-vintage 4-4-0, ex-Virginia & Truckee River, back into service with a new wagon-top boiler appropriate in scale to a 32-1/2-ton Standard but equal in quality to the far larger boilers installed by American Locomotive on the Union Pacific FEF-3's, CSA-5's, and BB-1's on the Schenectady, NY, USA, assembly line.
Thanks for the videos +SteamUP. They are definitely doing this the right way, and that takes time. Hopefully these repairs will last for a long time.
Time & money. These engineers are at the peak of their profession, this is expensive high quality workmanship. This lends some heavy big time credit to UP management to recognize & commit to the steam projects.
As a non American, ever since I was a child, when I thought of UP, I thought of the Bog Boys. More than any other class, the 4014 is UP.
It's nice to know the thought going into the rebuild and the quality of the refurbished and new parts they're using on 844, in 15 years when it's time to do it again it shouldn't take as long.
here in australia we are rebuilding our famous 3801
Good to hear & Steam it UP, down under!
I'm so excited to see Big Boy finished by Big boy's... can't wait to hear and maybe see some day from Monterey California ...
Thanks Ed and I do remember that whistle blowing when you came out onto the mainline, great sound. And I have the 4014 the Movie on my channel, as you guys worked on it, Here in California at the Fairplex. Then out on the mainline, I pretty much camped out there.
We will come from Holland when this beast is ready to roll again !!!!!
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Great presentation!
Go ahead, best wishes from Italy!
Great video. Thanks.
I just cant wait to see on my recommended videos "UP 4014 break in run"
Do you have the time to do presentations like this more often? This was great and I am fanatically following the progress of the UP's efforts in putting these magnificent machines back on the track, pulling honest loads. Breakthroughs or glitches in the planned processes - can you tell us about them?
very good, MORE!.
thanks Skip this should answer some questions and get those trolls off my back
like it reason learn and nice report,
I'm new to this channel but I remember the 844 tearing up the line and then a fire happened. Is that why she was taken off the line? I also can't wait to see the Big Boy thunder down the tracks again!
Hi Skip. I was just up in Cheyenne visiting the UP shops, specifically work on the 844 and 4014 Big Boy. Might I have access to a few seconds of your footage of both trains underway? Happy to provide you with the raw footage we shot in Cheyenne. I will of course provide full courtesy credits to you. Thanks.
Great presentation! With all the experience rebuilding 844 that you and your team are getting, what would it take to restore the 838 and return it to the tracks when the other 3 steam projects are complete?
+J. Smith
838 will never return to the rails as it's a donor for parts for 844. However, it would be cool if some volunteers could get together with funds to rebuild 833 and return it to the rails, from what I've read it's still in excellent shape.
good video but havent heard anymore since august 2016..
Is there a date tentatively set for the 844 , 3985 and 4014 to hit the rails once again?....
Great video! towards the end, did Ed confirm that 3985 will return to service?
+Nate Jenkins
Yep!
when he means go home? Does he mean tp Cheyenne or home from work? IN other words, you have to take out the supper heaters and other components in order to avoid crossoin>
What will happen to all these , what will be now trained steam locomotive repair people when this series of 2 or 3 rebuilds are completed ?
It would be a shame to lose all those skilled crafts people.
Crew members around big boy 4014 one more for soldier of fortune I say about that picture
When putting a locomotive in storage would it not be beneficial to fill the boiler with dry nitrogen at 10 or 20 PSI after the heating process. This would stop the action of ambient oxygen in the boiler
Hi All,
Wonder When the 9885 Will B Back Under Steam Again? Both the 3985 and 4014 Would MAKE Good Steam Partners as Double Headers etc on Trips, BIG Power at Its Best.
Tnx,
Operater,
Calgary
3985? mid 2020's hopefully, after 4014 steams again
One more picture for soldier of fortune
21:08 Wrong railroad, Ed! This is the Union Pacific, not the Nickle Plate Road! lol
+SmeagolPlaysMC By the way, +calendo new reskin? Maybe?
they built a brand new engine in the uk called typhoon which meant they had to build to old prints but with new boiler and firebox this meant a complete welded boiler how come they did not up grade when they had a chance
Peter JOHNSON That locomotive is called TORNADO.
silverbird58 look on TH-cam for 60163 tornado, she's been running for about 10 years now.
UNION PACIFIC, Employees doing the impossible for over a Century !!
I BET THIS GUY NEVER POUNDED A STAY BOLT IN HIS LIFE. OR REPLACED A FLUE.
WASHED A BOILER PUT IN A NEW FIRE BOX WASHED OUT A FRONT END THERE IS A LOT TO DO ON A STEAM ENGINE
Harold, all of these guys do all of the work themselves. They put in many hours over and above their regular professional duties for the UP. Many work day, night and weekends on these restoration projects FOR FREE. This guy is also the engineer at the throttle of the 844 for most of the tours, so he is definitely a qualified, hands on, capable and hard working guy. Unless you are there with a rivet anvil, hammer, torch, pry bar, reamer, drift or other tool, I really don't think you have any right evaluating his abilities or efforts.
He is the worst thing that ever happened to the UP steam shop.