C-SPAN Cities Tour - Cheyenne: Big Boy Steam Engine Renovation
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- Tour an Old Big Boy Steam Engine with the man who’s leading the effort to restore it - making it the only operational steam engine of its kind. Union Pacific built 25 Big Boy steam engines during World War II to help transport large amounts of cargo across the United States. This particular engine, which has recently been moved into Cheyenne for renovation is one of eight still in existence and is expected to be the only operational machine of its kind once work on it is completed.
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It is a wonderful sight to see the 4014 back in operation once again, i am glad that Union Pacific rr decided to restore this "monster of steam" for their special heritage fleet operations.
Growing up in the birth place of the Big Boy ( Schenectady , N.Y. ) thank you and the entire crew for all your hard work and dedication to this marvel . The massive truss bridge that spans Erie blvd is still there , where these machines would make their journey to the main line . Sadly the ALCO plant is gone , but the history lives on .
So great to see him home in Cheyenne. I lived in Cheyenne and it was great to see this locomotive back where he belongs.
I think of it as my locomotive since I climbed all over her as a kid at the LA fair in the 1960's. My Grandad used to work for Sunkist and you folks had to move that little loco behind the 4014 in order to move the big boy to the main line. I was one of those kids asking why don't they restore her to run? I was told back then that it was cost prohibitive. I held out hope and collected as much info a young boy could find out about the 4000 class. Thank you guys for making my dream come true... Of course a Cab ride would blow my socks off too!
It's looking less and less like a Big Boy and more like a Big Boy in restoration. Both are amazing and a true masterpiece of engineering.
The world is watching and for my part cannot thank Union Pacific enough for the work done and is needed to do on this most legendary of steam locomotives When she is complete people from all over the world will travel to be amazed by this loco
Tears in my eyes.. shes almost done. Can't wait until May 4
I live in Cheyenne, about 2 miles from the Steam Shop. I cant wait too so the old girl up and running, and there is nothing like the sound of a Steam Whistle!
Ed Dickens & the Steam Crew - saviors of the steam engines. Thank you and thank you Union Pacific Railroad.
Ed, what a wonderful thing you and UP are doing. Our heritage will live as long as we all work to keep it living and your work and contribution to our railroading and industrial heritage is awesome. Thank you ED and thank you UP. Be proud.
What are you talking about? He is slowly destroying the steam program. It is getting to the point where there won't be a UP steam program left.
Appalachianrails Really? Why do you think so?
Appalachianrails Not sure how he is destroying the steam program, please clarify!
Clarify? It's ALL posted on Trainorders what's going on with the program. Jack Wheelihan (Hotwater) has been exposing what's really been going on.
Well 2 years later steam is running, and the 4014 is moving along nicely in its rebuilding, all the back stabbing and whining was for nothing,
Wow the men who built that locomotive are all gone now, but I bet they are looking down at the big boy with pride that their workmanship survived this long and going to be brought back to life.
in this CSPAN series we pay a visit to the boys at Steam Shop and check on Big Boy and #844 in their restoration.
i sure hope a hollywood film crew is making a full length complete documentary on the big boy restoration
Cheyenne Wyoming my old home and birthplace... I been inside the Roundhouse working on Removing the Asbestos on a steam locomotive that now sits in Omaha Nebraska U.P.R.R museum..
4004 " Big Boy" Locomotive sits in Holiday Park in Cheyenne as kids back in the 60's we would play on it before the fence was placed around it in the 70's...
Ed, all I can say is "Thank You" for being "YOU!" My own dream of a Big Boy Locomotive coming back to life in steam just got fulfilled as far as your own dream steam team has by waking "him" up from a long hibernation in sunny California to get refueled, retooled and once again a part of Union Pacific's Rare Breed Steam Heritage Livery! Inspiration from you Sir by your love of Steam Locomotives my own father inspired in me that became a bigger part of my dream has come true, too, and lives on in song having fulfilling my childhood dream since my very first piano and voice lesson at age 7--the same Summer I first saw 4014 in Pamona--of performing at Carnegie Hall February 17, 2013, just before you left Cheyenne to head to Pamona to start the process of getting our Big Boy back home! And "My Song"--which actually is "your song" self-titled "IT'S ALRIGHT" I went on to actually write trackside with you in thin air like I did in my first dream I had long before I ever met you that perfect dream-like day in May of 2011 at Kansas City's Union Station my "home-away-from-home" where I volunteer now, was about UP844! I dreamed that dream February 14, 2010, of "being at Kansas City Union Station with my daughter Lacey both looking over a tan concrete railing down to the pavement next to the siding tracks at 5 black grand piano's arranged side-by-side making an arc with their smaller curved ends touching and their keyboards facing out towards a huge black Union Pacific Steam locomotive parked on the track siding, pistons steaming, smoke rising up from it's smokebox on top, both of us trying to figure out how we were going to get down there," as "there didn't seem to be a ramp or a stairway in my dream; then being escorted on the left elbow of and led down a ramp towards the train and pianos by a very tall man dressed in blue denim overalls, who told me to "sit here next to me" at the first piano closest to the engine and "play my song" which made no sense to me in my dream reasoning because "I had no piano, nor wrote music back then" and then again, "he told me to "play my song, it's alright" so, I placed my hands on the piano and began playing "my song," that began to become "familiar" to me as I played." Then next in my dream, "Elton John" himself came up from behind me, led by the tall guy in overalls, tapped me on my left shoulder, smiled at me, asked me "if it's alright?" Then Elton John sat down next to me at the next piano over to my left and began playing my music with me on our pianos! Next, as me and Elton keep playing "my song" "Billy Joel" comes from behind me led by the tall overall wearing man. Billy taps me on my left shoulder, asks me "if it's alright?" I nod "yes," so Billy gets escorted by him over to the next piano to me and Elton John's left, tells Billy Joel to play "my song, it's alright" so Billy sits down and joins me and Elton already "playing my song" just as my friend pianist Phil Hilton, who's my church's praiseband pianist and well-known Pleasant Hill, Missouri's "P Hill Country Opry" pianist--who became the very first person to actually hear "my song" as I played it for him on our church's piano--in my dream, comes from behind me, tapped me on my left shoulder, Phil asked me "Susan--it's alright?" I told Phil "yes--it's alright," then he, too, gets led over to and told to "sit down here and play my song, it's alright" by our tall escort in overalls at the piano to the left of Billy Joel, joining us in playing along on our pianos! Then my longtime friend, who's a well known Kansas City and Davenport Iowa native Jazz pianist, Joe Cartwright, comes from behind me led by my tall overall-wearing man," taps me on my left shoulder, asks me if it's alright," I keep playing and give him my nod, and Joe, too, is told to play "my song, it's alright," then led over to the last piano, one of 5 big black "grand piano's" in my dream, their keyboards facing the engine, seated next to a Big black Union Pacific steam locomotive at Union Station, as we all were smiling at each other, laughing and playing "my song," together when I woke up" hoping my dream would somehow come true! And when you did tell me first to "sit here" pointing down to the little wooden bench seat that reminded me later of my black piano bench seat in the cab of 844 where I first met you: "a very tall man "dressed in your signature blue denim overalls and chambray shirt," yourself that day I recall, later did my 2010 dream seem to come to life more! And after you had "escorted" me up the cab ladder, climbing up yourself from behind me on the ladder, coming round behind me on my left, then took my left hand to help me up onto the the nubbed steel metal platform flooring inside 844's cab, led me over to then pointing down at the little black wooden bench seat behind your seat and told me: "sit here behind me where I sit here" pointing to your seat at the throttle! Then you jumped into your seat in front of me and told me to "smile real cheesy" at my daughter Lacey down below the cab taking our picture, that "dream-like" evening of May 29, 2011, as me and Lacey were already there at the Station; her husband Mike still seated across Pershing from the Station in our lawn chairs we had positioned on the frontlawn of the Crown Center Westin Hotel underneath the Skywalk bridge leading over to the Station awaiting the Kansas City Symphony's "CELEBRATION AT THE STATION" annual Sunday Memorial Day Weekend Patriotic concert and Fireworks to begin an hour later. Lacey had wanted to go over to the Station's Ticketing office to see about using the passes given me and my friend to see the ongoing Princess Dianna Exhibit at Union Station before it ended in 2 weeks. So, we headed over to the far side of the Station where the Ticketing Office is located closer to the Parking Garage down around behind the Station but we couldn't get into the Station that way! As we were "looking down to the tracks from above over a tan concrete bannister railing"--just like in my February 2010 "dream" of seeing the Steam locomotive and 5 grand pianos began"-- the view of the Science City wing of the Station and lower level entrance where their Ticketing Office is, was partially hidden by the Station's Taxi Stand turn-around where it juts out, and we had to go all the way around to the other side of the Station to get inside to go down to the lower level ticketing office but found out we couldn't use my free passes to Diana, and didn't have enough money on us then to see it before the concert began. Lacey wanted to take my picture posing with the Station's Life-Size cardboard cut-out likeness of Princess Diana posing seated in her beautiful wedding gown, famous Crown Jeweled Tiara and her famous 25ft long Tulle Train gathered all around her, myself "posing" with her wearing my own stupid-looking version of those silly British Ladies' gaudy, feathered and strangely bedazzeled Fascinator hats, that became my "signature" pink engineer hat, and jeweled Railroad Track Tiara attached to my own 22ft long 9" wide "Train" I had glued a pink craftfoam "Caboose" to where my train curved like "a Lucky "Ironhorse" Horseshoe dragging behind me" I made to wear for the Station's April 29, 2011 "ROYAL WEDDING WATCH PARTY"--exactly one month to the day prior--that was shown on the Station's Giant IMAX Screen stretched across the North-end wall of the Station's SPRINT CENTER PLAZA's old Waiting Room above the entrance to the Station's "Model Railroad Experience" model train exhibit, open during the party that started at 3am---9:30--am! "Wedding guests" there watching the Real Royal Wedding of Prince William and Katherine "Kate" Middleton played out on the Station's grand old Waiting Room Hall decorated like guests there inside the Station were really "attending" the real Royal Wedding being broadcasted LIVE from inside London's Westminster Abbey on ABC NEWS and Kansas City's "ROYAL WEDDING WATCH PARTY" on local ABC affiliate KMBCTV9, also airing on "GOOD MORNING AMERICA" and "THE OPRAH WINFREY SHOW" LIVE from Chicago! Lacey couldn't attend the watch party with me that day, as she didn't think she'd be able to be rested enough to handle her Special Needs Kids she worked with as a PARA, teaching at Sycamore Hills Elementary School in Independence, MO. We were taking special pictures of me posing in my silly pink "railroading-themed hat" when we got a phone call from my friend "Andy" who had told me earlier on that he was a "foamer," and until then, I had never heard the term used before for a serious "rail fan," who told me then that "UP844 was coming Susan--where are you at right now?" I told him that "me and Lacey were just outside the lower level ticketing office trying in vain to see if we could use my free passes to see Princess Dianna before the Concert starts here at the Station Andy--where are you?" Andy told me to "go outside to the track siding" and "wait for the 844--I'm watching "Tim" -- my husband, an UP Hostler--"switch track for it coming through Armourdale right now Susan--it'll be right there in a little while, go watch it come in I'm chasing it now!" We were standing there taking more pictures of me wearing my stupid pink "Fascinator Hat" when you, Ed, first noticed me trackside and had pulled into the siding too far up close to the Station's corner wall, for Locomotive Foreman Henry Krening and Steamcrew to work on the "newly-repaired" rightside lead driver wheel bearing, that had broken and replaced onsite in Linn Kansas, that detained the train there. Henry and Steamcrew fashioned a brand new bearing in 3 days and got on the wheel in time, that almost all, but "cancelled" UP844's very first ever Facebook: "you book the route excursion tour!" 844 was to already be on-hand on display at 2011's Memorial Day Weekend "CELEBRATION AT THE STATION" at Union Station 3 days prior, but saved the day steaming into the Station round 6pm after all, and me and Lacey were the only one's there with the Steamcrew who doted on my stupid pink hat, and Ed had me in the cab with him taking pictures that became my most cherished memory ever and led to my "Dream Calling" and one very profound friendship, too! Plus more of my Special "Steam locomotive Dreams," one in particular, that came during the early morning hours of July 1, 2012--Union Pacific's UP150 Sesquentennial! In that dream I actually "dreamed" I had crawled on my hands and knees up through the inside of a giant "Nautilus shell" in the corner of DENNY'S, guided by a mysterious dark-haired-gouteed man wearing glasses coaching me to "keep climbing higher!" Then I crawled on my hands and knees with my friends Patty and Judith crawling way behind me, too, in pitch blackness through a long tunnel that for me ended "bathed in soft light." After I'd stepped out in blind faith out of my tunnel and found my footing onto the rusted patina flooring of worn steel, I turned to my right and through the opening leading inside the rear of the cab of an old Steam locomotive missing the two engineers and fireman's seats! It's firebox patina was rusty, it's interior green walls faded; where I could "hear" men's voices and could actually "see" their shadows playing off the cab walls! I caught a brief glimpse of "2 tall men who acknowleged me being there inside the cab with them, telling me: "we'll be right with you!" That most definitely was not 844's cab, but was bigger and different, actually older in appearance than 844's cab! Then I heard "my song" again playing in my mind's ear in my dream as I was searching for it's source playing on some piano somewhere, and "recognized" it as my own "music" playing!" Then my friend Patty had crawled her way through the darkness to the end of the tunnel I had just crawled through myself, still approaching her end of her crawl, I was encouraging her to keep crawling" while I was already inside my dream cab. I egged her on to "just stand up Patty, and step out in faith and you'll, too, find your footing and 'calling' like me!" Patty turned instead to her left and walked bathed in light down the hallway to what looked like in my dream to be my own bedroom of my teenage years' "dreamhouse" at age 14--same year I first saw 8444 in Cheyenne with my dad and family on vacation. Only Patty was describing her own dream bedroom was "inside the bridge of the set of "STARSHIP ENTERPRISE" debuting her own "STAR TREK-like" dream movie playing out in my dream in her own mind's eye as she was describing to me she was seeing, as I was describing to her what I was "seeing" when our friend Judith-- whom me and Patty had met when we later had joined Jacomo Chorale that September 2012 following having this dream that July 1st--came close to the end of her crawl in my dream behind us, first, "where we all began our ascent up through the inside of our DENNY'S Nautilus Shell "ramp" following way behind us through the long dark tunnel we had both been freed of, but we couldn't coax Judith out of her Tunnel" and I woke up from my crazy dream, again, wondering just "what" it's meaning was to become, much like my first 844 dream became! Me and Patty ironically met Judith for dinner at DENNY'S following our very first rehearsal for Jacomo Chorale's November 2012 Spiredome Series Concert performing Franz Schubert's "MASS IN G MAJOR" held in Independence Misoouri's famous Community Of Christ Temple. It looks like a giant "Nautilus Shell" that in fact you ascend up through inside, a long spiralling ramp till you come out--bathed in light, even at night--on the level looking down into their Sanctuary! And if you look up from your seat, you can "almost" see "heaven"--as the Temple's design was made one to "feel" like you are! Both dreams began coming true in August of 2012 when I was again, with Patty, sitting by 844 on the siding talking to Ed who was sitting on my right, in Patty's lawnchair I had brought along watching the Steamcrew working on the 844's fireman's Cabside truck axle, sketching the firebox, when "my song" I had first dreamed about "playing on one of 5 grand pianos next to a big black Steamlocomotive engine" came to me sitting there in thin air as my mind's ear first "heard" it "playing" on my dream's "grand piano" next to the 844," note-for-note, I now call "IT'S ALRIGHT!" I write my dreams down right after I dream them, if I can, so as not to forget any details they are so vivid and come far and few inbetween, as they are often my compass and come true! I later actually composed "my song" "IT'S ALRIGHT" on my own baby grand piano my husband Tim gifted me on Valentine's Day 2012 that was delivered by a Union Pacific Freight train to Lenexa Kansas's VICCARRO'S PIANO & ORGAN and to my home the evening of February 17, 2012! Ironically, exactly one year later to the date in 2013, after first arriving into New York City's Penn Station by train on Valentine's Day evening, then 3 days later, on the afternoon of February 17, 2013, I fulfilled my childhood dream of performing onstage at 2pm at CARNEGIE HALL!!! And, just one hour before our performance of Franz Schubert's "MASS IN G MAJOR," while our Director Helena and six of our Jacomo Chorale members performing with me got up to go to the Gift Shop before we were to take the CARNEGIE HALL'S famous Ronald O. Perelman Stage in Isaac Stern Auditorium, egged on by my late friend and felloine Jacomo Chorale member Soprano Dianna Gibler since passed away--who'd performed there 7 times before--had told our Guest Choral/Symponic Music Conductor Paul Nesheim that "Susan had an original song composition he should hear," so she got me up to play my "Dream" song "IT'S ALRIGHT" before Paul Nesheim, Clive Gillinson Carnegie's Artistic and Executive Director, and Peter Tiboris, General and Artistic Director, for our tour's MIDAMERICA PRODUCTIONS, INC. They had come walking into our dressing room, just as I had started to play it on the piano in our group's dressing room upstage, and told me to keep playing Susan we like what we're hearing!" Then Paul asked me "what does it feel like to "Debute" your own work here at Carnegie Hall, Susan?"--uh, I don't know Paul? Just wait till I get to play it onstage..."Oh, I guess "IT'S ALRIGHT," I proclaimed!" And, as we were passing through the backstage side door to enter onstage, there waiting to wish us well in a receiving line were Peter Tiboris, Clive Gillinson and finally, Paul Nesheim--who all "high-fived me--as Paul said to me:"It's Alright now"--you're goin' places kid"--as I passed by them and had my CARNEGIE HALL Dream fulfilled, in a Big way!...and I took the train to get there! My dad told me about both 844(4) and Big Boys pretty much all his living years from when I was a little girl, and how he came home from California riding most of the way in 844's cab with his uncle when he was returning home from serving in England during WWII! And I dreamed of "being inside the 4014"--I know it now--dreaming "after crawling through the boiler of 844" first--my "long dark tunnel" that first gave me inspiration boiling--a year before the public knew, and you actually were there in Pamona working on it, to bring it on home to Cheyenne to restore! Wow! What an accomplishment for yourself and for your Steamcrew and for Union Pacific! You are perfect for your position heading up Union Pacific Steam and Heritage operations! Now you Ed, fulfilled one of your "Big Boy Dreams," too, and "took the train back home to fulfill a dream for Union Pacific for years to come! Now, you really gave me something to keep dreaming about! Again, Ed, I Thank You, for this Great imformative 4014 progress video...and "It's Alright!'
excellent mark from Scranton pa steamtown thx so much
Today's people need to see this work of art and Engineering!
Ed thank you for these updates, so interesting and historical (and your not to hard on the eyes either)
Nice video. Glad to see the Big Boy is being restored. I'd like to see the restoration of an Allegheny too.
We have an Allegheny here in town. It is in the museum and is in beautiful condition. I have some pics of it. The Gge nry Fo rd Museum in Dearborn Mi, about 3 miles from me.
I am sure I am not alone in this but I hope they use her in freight operations here and there. Show off her true muscle and meaning of her existance.
I love this American accent! With that easygoing attitude!!!
I can't wait to see her once she is fully restored. :)
Keeping that thing in exercise during trips should have been a real hell for the fire men
It wasn't under steam. It was cold.
It had a screw to feed the coal because it needed 350 pounds of coal a minute.
Engineering from the greatest generation
9:01 Imagine what it would be like in the early 50's. Just Big Boys, Challengers, FEF Classes, 5000 classes, etc., it would be wonderful.
Don`t forget the Yellowstones.
Clarkson would be like: "Start it up!"
May would be like: "Its not that ready yet"
+Joshua Peterson POWERRR!
Ikr?
Clarkson: * proceeds to open up the throttle and smash through door at steam shop *
I can't wait too see this thing in action
A very detailed reparation program, but so long, our grandfathes took less time to project and to build 25 bigboys!
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Great to see a bigboy returning to operating status. Steve Lee said it will never happen. Where is he now?
Very exciting!
Ed Dickens Jr: Sweet twin iPhones on clips
Just can't wait!
BIG BOY is back!
Great, go ahead, this is a legend in Europe too!
Really? I thought Europe might have heard of it, but I had no Idea it was a legend just like in the US.
ExcessMean When I was just a boy in the early 70ies I was fond of the Rivarossi and Maerklin HO models of the Big Boy. They were sadly too expensive for my pockets... Anyway the big american steamers are quite well known in Europe!
Locomotive legends know no borders, The rocket, flying Scotch man, Mallard, 1 genneration TGV, Shinkansen series 0 and big boy are know all over the world.
Sohave yep Big Boy is a legend he is the world's largest steam locomotive and he is the one that pulled the freight that helped us win World War II. when World War II was over he was sent to Pomona and now he is back and UP is going to restore him can't wait until Big Boy is operational.
aren't there other big boys out there? I though there was at least three more.
Hope the union pacific steam program can get straightened out
I’m watching it in 2019 ad it was restored and double header with up 844 to 150 an Anniversary
If you still have the original floor from 4014 and you replace it with new save the old floor cut into 2x2 inch prices mounted on a piece of oak price the at $50 to $100 a piece. You might not be surprised how fast they sell. Even old no longer needed parts there are steam fans who'd love to have a piece of on their desk at home or in the office. First pieces got to UP CEO president man directly above Mr Dickens and your desk .
Just working at devils advocate.
Right on.
I get it but its a company deal they are putting up the cash
The UP is still in business to make money so why wouldn't they sell. Ok sell them on the gift shop car on the trains it hauls. Captive audience.
Cheers?
Awesome. An American treasure.
ED I love to come over and look around this magnificent locomotive As I am a female engineer in the Marine industry and Steam was just one of the things we where trained on , I just love Steam power as its a vereable power not finite like diesel but diesel as its uses , the only big draw back with steam is steam raising the time it takes to get up steam so you can do the work, will big be-able to pull a 5 mile train fright cars
The 4014 will be refitted to burn oil like the 844. Which means "finite". AND even if UP chose to stick with coal, coal is also FINITE.
You know water doesn't heat itself up.
Great observation! But of course no power in infinite. It's said a steamer will pull any train it'll start, and a diesel-electric will start any train it's on (probably within reason of course.). The total energy available (call it horsepower but it is deeper than that) will determine the ultimate speed it'll pull. An electric motor has its max "strength" at dead stop when you throw the power to it. Since HP is an expression of work done over time, as one number is lengthened (time) to do a stated amount of work. then something else is multiplied. A simple and vastly oversimplified view, revolutions per unit of time times the twisting force at one cycle figures out to what it can do. If a gasoline engine is running at 2000 RPM and drives a wheel for a minute, that wheel will cover a certain distance. If the power required to propel a load that distance in that one minute is more then that machine can deliver, you can get more out of it if you let it do the work over say 2 minutes with the same 2000 RPMs, You haven't increased the horsepower, but halved the work it needs to do in one minute. A transmission does that, The RPM at a 2-to-1 reduction is I/2 the actual engine, but the torque at the wheel has doubled. In that distance (1/2 that of direct drive) the engine has run 4000 rpm to accomplish the work Twice the horsepower PER UNIT OF TIME. You've sacrificed distance for increased power. THE LEVER PRINCIPLE, sort of. A crowbar under a rock. A screw jack. Climbing a stairs. Variations in work over time.
An electric motor has the maximum torque (what gets the load moving is "kinda like" infinite since the RPM is zero the torque part of the formula is infinite. What the motor can start is only limited by the wiring going to it, the strength of the components against twisting failure and a couple other factors involved. The principle is "Locked Rotor Amps" the massive draw at the very start of rotation. Torque being the biggest number in the equation at that moment is the reason they're so strong. The Diesel-electric loco can pull unlike anything out there! The steamer can develop the power its design gives it. The steam pressure available against the square inches of the cylinder, factored with the length of the distance from the centerline of the axle to centerline of the connecting rod pin.
I said this is over-simplified, and I'll bet the scientists and engineers out there will tear me up here, but I can grasp the principles better than I can explain it!
The steamer delivers its max torque at a stand-still too, but variations in design of the 2 technologies gives the electric motor some kind of big advantage in starting power. And the steamer has no transmission either, so you can't vary the configuration of how you deliver the work. The electric motor has some other principles that give it the edge that I can't explain!
@ It was designed to pull that length cars but limited to 3 miles.
@@robertcampbell9946 whoosh
Right on Ed
I hope you. Come to sacramento ca with the big boy
I love the big boy
I love Steam trains!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is another Big Boy on display in the Cheyenne park. How did it get there and when? I saw no signs of tracks leading to or from the engine.
Thank you for your dedication to this project. And, Cheyenne is AWESOME!
B D Richardson probably laid temporary track into the park and then moved the engine into place...
Moved by heavy haul trucks
@@michaelbeard3192 You are correct, heavy haulers moved it.
I can't wait till this thing hauls freight trains again.
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Public relations is all that! UP will get some real "traction" (maybe no pun here!) in that department! If they aren't on the world stage now, they sure will be when this is done! The smartest move I've seen in the railroad world in a while...too bad NS wasn't thinking of that when they "parked" their 2 stars!!
Anyone know the progress on the restoration in 2017?
i know modern diesel locomotives require a lot less maintenance than steamers, but let me float an idea here: the USA has enormous natural gas reserves. maybe we should think about bringing back steam locomotives and fueling them with natural gas instead of coal or oil.
not only would it be cleaner in terms of pollution, it would create thousands of skilled labor jobs to keep them running safely... and rail will always be the most efficient way to move people and goods.
+myrryxmas except for two big problems..
1) you can power conventional diesel locomotives on LNG with relatively little modification - hardly any moving parts, Tier 4 compliance, all the modern parts availability and electronic drivers.. plus keep dynamic braking ($$$$ savings)
2) they actually tried this in 50s-60s with the UP turbines (I think that was propane though) and again in 80s-90s - I think both tests went well but diesel was far too cheap to justify it, until now! GE / CAT and others are researching this on the new modern next generation diesels which will start on conventional fuel and switch to LNG with one or two tenders behind them.
Well and a third problem - it takes millions of dollars to restore the steam locomotives, and there are really only two heavy steam shops in the country capable of doing significant repairs, plus units would be out for months waiting on parts fabrication etc. Either way that cost alone equates to a few decades of diesel fuel for a current unit. It's like buying a $200,000 hybrid car to save $1,500 a year on gas lol. Except said hybrid requires $20,000 annual tune-ups too. Just buy the civic. ;)
+myrryxmas Good idea, sir! Sadly, it would be too expensive and inefficient. But who knows, maybe you can convince a heritage railway to give it a go!
+Alex Thomas The turbines actually ran on heavy fuel oil.
But yeah, you're exactly right. The other thing about reciprocating steam locomotives that people seem to forget is that they are REALLY maintenance intensive.
regarding the maintenance: that's exactly my point - tens of thousands of stable, decent-paying jobs.
more than anything else, that is exactly what america needs.
No. Marine and pipeline are cheaper. And, ironically, very inefficient trucks carry the lion's share of domestic freight because of their versatility - "The last mile."
Which is the big steam engine they brought into Denver from Cheyenne some years back for Cheyenne Frontier Days?
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the 844 and the 4014 were built by alco in New York not by up
Does anyone know what the fireman would actually do since the coal was mechanically fed instead of shoveled? I assume there's more to the job of a fireman than just shoveling coal.
He had to maintain a consistent flame relative to the amount of steam needed. It was also an issue with the powerful RR union. For instance, the brakeman used to run along the tops of the cars setting the brakes-not a bad job when it is 70 degrees and sunny but horribly unsafe in snow or freezing rain. However the RR's were stuck with brakemen long after the introduction of air brakes.
A triplex measured 91' vs a big boy at 135'
I'm on the right they should re store the 1s in the dump and museums any were cus I ask wat if an emp
I was told that there is actually 9 big boys left the 9th one ether was or is at the Smithsonian Museum Is this true?
No, there are only eight
While there are a few steam locomotives at the Smithsonian, none of them are Big Boys. They were operated only by Union Pacific, no other railroad in the United States ever had any of them. The eight that were preserved are the only ones that survive today. The surviving Big Boys are as follows:
4004 in Cheyenne, Wyoming - static display
4005 in Denver, Colorado - static display
4006 in St Louis, Missouri - static display
4012 in Scranton, Pennsylvania - static display
4014 in Cheyenne, Wyoming (formerly Pomona, California) - being restored for operation by Union Pacific
4017 in Green Bay, Wisconsin - static display
4018 in Frisco, Texas - static display
4023 in Omaha, Nebraska - static display
some people might ask "why should UP spend millions restoring something like that"? .....well......because there is nothing like it anywhere else in the world and because....WHY NOT?! I wish i had the funds to cut a check to pay for one to be restored simply because they are the last of their kind and there will never be another
The big boys aren't even 100 years old yet
How did they blow the whistle with out pressure in the boiler
air tank, that's the 4014 behind me at the fairplex in Pomona check out my channel for the 4014 videos
Air tank off an SD70 piped into the main air resivour from the diesels to provide compressed air to the big boy.
does anyone know when the engine will be up and running?
2019
Are the bigboys really the largest steam locomotive ever built?
What about the Allegheny class
The Allegheny class ran 2-6-6-6 while the Big Boys ran 4-8-8-4. Allegheny runs a total of 20 while the Big Boys ran a total of 24, making the Big Boys bigger than the Allegheny.
Of course, the Allegheny class locomotives are massive. But the Big Boys are bigger, as always.
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Union Pacific should restore a challengar
ik this is from 3 months ago but they already have which would be 3985
How can the big boy blow the whistle if there is no power
It’s been said that they used air for the whistle.
sweet but it sad to see UP not knowing that the 2-6-6-6 Allegheny was more powerful then the bigboy length means nothing when it comes to trains that have to pull
Give it a rest.
If it has no steam how is it blowing the whistle
DolphinLegend 64 I guess they could use compressed air.
Compressed air
the triplex was bigger
the triplex was less energy efficient and more steam hungry
traingamerman 5568 yeah I know
No power and wat are you going to do survive this is the way farm to farm city to city
If the floor is structurally sound then why replace it this is what i was afraid of in this restoration when people start getting carried away and start replacing the original and perfectly good sound pieces such as the cab floor and other parts and equipment, how can anyone one especially the engineer and fireman who will eventually be piloting 4014 actually feel the 74 years of living history looking down at a new diamond plate floor and brand new valves gauges and levers, i'm sorry it just would not be the same Let every part live on in it's true glory and history and only replace the originals when they absolutely must be replaced because of a wear or safety issue!
The floor needs to be replaced for safety purposes.
I don't remember ed Dickens saying that the floor had a structural issue only that the floor had foot wear and was bead welded in spots to give more foot traction but i don't think the floor it's self had a structural safety issue, i'm just one who believes in keeping as much of the original parts, pieces and other equipment intact and used as long as possible, to actually touch, feel and manipulate with your own hands the very same levers, valves and other devices within that cab that another driver/engineer operated with his hands during WW2 and after, to me that would be the greatest experience a person who loves trains/locomotives and nostalgia could have in their lifetime, oh what i'd give to pilot 4014 after her restoration but if i were to hop up into her cab and see a bunch of new everything around me that would kill the nostalgic experience of that golden era i had hoped for so then to look down at brand new diamond plate beneath my feet, well that's just me!
SteamDriver1947 He literally said the problem was that the diamond plate was worn off and was a slipping hazard. The welded beads were not enough to overcome it.
Thanks!
Yeah. Safty issues. If you ever seen 884 at speeds, notice how the cab is bouncing up and down, left and right and then some like a bucking bronco! Traction is a must if you want to keep your footing here, especially if you are a fire man and needs to shovel a few more rounds of coal (then. Since 4014 is converting to oil) into the fire box or need to move around for signal and keep track of the oil gauge etc (now). Imagine if you slip because of no traction due to the cab bouncing up and down and hit something critical or clunk yourself out....NOT COOL!
Just imagine: the 4000 series locomotives were designed by a German named Otto Jabelmann. Another example which shows the close - knit character of the German and American economies and achievements in research and technology! Two world wars did not change that - neither will Donald Duck - er, Trump!!!! Cheers! Oops, I forget: according to Wikipedia, this engine is meant to be running again next year - and I was wrong at one point: this is not a Mallet - type engine!
@ the big boy is a articulated not a mallet
@ but from what I saw on a book it said the big boy was classified as a articulated but okay
т же ж ситуация порезать- нац гордость непозволяет, а востановить дороже нового! Беда!
поричем уже говорят що жамо то нинастоящий рекордсмен и 128км никогда б нипоехал я лично верю! а вот остальеные мои земляки нихт говярят брихня наш Теплопаровоз круче был!))))))