@@mercury-779 When you say things like that online you have to remember that there is no facial expression or inflection to tell that it is a joke. You'll find no one more anti-tattoo or gauge than me.
After a year of using my 6xx, I completely agree with this review. I feel a sense of relief when I return to these after trying out different headphones. Warm and familiar, and unlike other headphones, I don't get tired of them.
How’s the bass? I have a pair of G933’s and I’m looking for headphones that are clear, but can still rumble my ears a bit with bass, which my old pair did.
Have had my HD6XX for over a year now and for someone who has mild tinnitus in my left ear (triggered by high frequency sounds) this headphone has been a godsent.
I would just unplug the left wire and select the source as Mono whenever possible. After a few days, you will adjust to a slightly less full sound BUT go to bed smiling- less ringing. "Take care of that ear now, while you can." It has the potential to get m u c h worse. Trust me. I heard a story of an up and coming guitar player. He was finally getting pretty good but basically had to stop doing what he truly l o v e d. Oh wait, that was me. In the meantime, wearing ear plugs daily really helps. Mack's are great and you get used to them. Nice car by the way- my next one might be an M3.
S..t, have tinnitus in left ear as well, at the beginning I couldn't sleep. I try to noisy environment as much as possible, and YT and TV commercials drive me crazy, as they are good few dBs higher in level.
@@pliedtka Use an earplug in that ear (often) and 100%, scoot the headphone cup OFF your left ear (move towards the back of your head- thicker skull area than in front.) If not, you will likely live to regret it in time. As a daily guitar player who uses headphones and plug-ins often, I understand the sound (stereo) is not as full or satisfying, BUT you do get use to it- a new normal. Your ear will thank you and you will sleep better. If possible, set the track to mono from the source so you don't miss any sound information. You might also want to look into Magnesium L-Threonate and Vit. D (together) and exercise with deep breathing (vagus nerve activation.) This can lower BP which is known to help. I'm not a doctor or expert and this is not advise, but all these things have seemed to help me. Know this, prevention is far better than cure. Sometimes I miss the full sound of playing a real guitar amp or play a few sets in a band, but when I do...I very quickly regret it (for weeks.)
I've had my HD600 for 15 years, It has been through 3 sets of pads and headband, still sounds as competent as the first day, gonna keep it forever. Thanks for sharing!
@@soundpitchblack It depends how much you use them, I use them every single day for at least 5 hours and need to replace pads every year at least. They definitely get worn down over time and lose shape, not drastically, but enough to make an audible difference when you swap out for newer pads and compare back.
I recently bought the 6XX and can't put in words how incredible these are compared to generic headphones/headsets. I can not really compare them on this level but for a beginner I wouldn't hesitate a second
They're worth it for comfort alone. So many other headphones that I've tried sound great and offer interesting differences to my 660s but I can't wear them for more than 45 minutes without developing a splitting headache. I can wear any of the hd600 series for hours and hours without even realizing they are there.
I feel this is the case for most if not all Sennheiser headphones. Tried so many times to try out other headphones but there is someting about Sennheisers that just fits and rests on your head naturally. Ive had HD500, HD600, HD650, HD6XX, HD700 and also demoed HD800. All is super comfortable. (HD6XX is my daily driver for gaming and music). If i ever win the lottery i might check out HD800S :D
I've had a set of hd 650 for 4 years and I cant imagine replacing them with anything else. Least fatiguing headphone I've ever heard as well as that awesome midrange Sennheiser is known for
I've had the same experience with the HD 6XX. I have headphones that are substantialy better in terms of soundstage, bass extension and dynamic impact, but I haven't yet found a pair that are less fatiguing.
I bought 660s around release and I’ve tried adding headphones to my collection but none can seem to compare. I just love the sound and feel of the 660s and can’t see myself finding anything better for the price. If they break, I’ll just buy another pair.
I got my 6XX forever ago when they first came out and been using them on a daily since. I wear them on 14h workdays without getting uncomfortable, I take them along to places, treat them like normal headphones. Being from the EU the import taxes were crazy but were they to break, I'd buy them again, hands down. I wouldn't hesitate a single minute.
if you're eu buy directly from senn, after import its around the same price and going through senn for warranty is a lot easier and a better experience compared to drop
@@hoecage8781 I think at the time there wasn't the option and they're still going strong :) Had to replace the ear cups ofc but those headphones feel like they'll last me a lifetime. Should anything happen though, thanks for the advice! :) I appreciate it
I certainly think the 650/6XX is, considering the longevity of its design, and how easily user serviceable it is, unlike the AKG K7-SERIES. I will always keep my HD6XX in my fleet.
The “problem” with the 58X and 6XX is if you’re now hooked on hi-end audio and want to “upgrade” you’ll probably have to spend three or four times as much, if not more. People keep saying the Focal Clear is the next logical step. USD$220 >>>> $1500, really? These people need to give me access to their bank accounts because that’s a VW beetle to Porsche turbo jump.
And the worst thing is that they are not 7 times better, despite the 7 times bigger price. I even thought about selling my old HD650, but I realised, that there is no better option for that money
Anyone who says you need a Focal Clear to get an upgrade is just wrong lol. The 6XX is not better than every headphone on the market under $1500... I hear people say that the Focal Elex is the natural upgrade from the 6XX because it's got a similar sound signature, though I haven't heard it. But other great options that are well under $1500 include stuff like the LCD-2C, the Hifiman Sundara, Hifiman Ananda, Monolith M1060, Fostex TH-X00 and probably many others that I'm not even aware of. Many of those have totally different sound signatures from the 6XX, so that's another reason why it isn't the be all end all.
I have the Focal Clear and I prefer the Hd650 XD Trebles are much smoother and the listening more natural on sennheiser. I like my focal but trebles peaks and dips are annoying. You miss details and get some harshness...
I would like a wider stage, with more space between the left, middle, and right positions. But I'm fine with the bass as it is. I really enjoy the overall sound.
If u Want bigger soundstage and Lower bass... then u need different Headphone something like Sundaras.... Or u Can Take of The foam back of the driver , make the Coin mod and then Use Bigger Pads or angled for more Sound stage ... But again u get a different sound.
@@Tripokaridos22 The challenge is getting large 3D soundstage without losing what 6X0 are great at.There are more capable headphones but a few headphones produce sound as satisfying as 6X0 series and even less without breaking the bank. LCD-2 and Auteur are around $800+ and $1600+ respectively and have that signature that works with most genre and are satisfying to listen to but they only thing that LCD-2 do noticeably better is Bass and Autuer afaik does eveything better than a 6X0 but not by large margin.So they are what they are and unless Sennheiser listens to the customers and goes back to drawing board and works on what we want as HD600S or HD650S,these headphones are not going anywhere and Sennheiser knows that.
@@tareqhaider6327 The HD650s have been around for 17 years now. In that time, the price has dropped very substantially (if you count the HD6XX). There's just nothing like the value you get for your money. The graphed increase in quality for spending more money is a very long, slow rise from there. Even Sennheiser can't beat its value. I can understand some people who just need an energetic sound with deep bass not caring for them. But for jazz, classical, acoustic, and classic rock, they're just amazing-- esp at the price. Put them with a JDS stack or Element, and you're done.
I got a pair of DT990 600 Ohm edition chrome a little over a year ago. I don't see myself letting go of them anytime soon, especially when reviewers like DMS compare it favorably against Senn HD 650's. They are just fun AF.
to each their signature, but after the 770 and 990, I'll take the 880 all day. Either way, the Beyers have been around for ages and are in no way inferior to the Senns. Just different :)
Idk if I'd pick em over the 6xx, but I'll be damned, I keep my 770s next to my bed whenever I just wanna jam and take a nap. Never regret buying it to have haha
I've had HD580s since probably before you were born and every other 6 series since and still listen to them regularly.... Except lately my Grado fetish has taken over a bit
I finally have my pair of HD 6XXs and I LOVE these. It's amazing. What's funny is I don't have a "proper" DAC yet but I'm using a Sennheiser GSX 1000 with a Schiit Vali tube amp and it sounds so nice. I agree with everything here. It's very intimate and makes deeper vocals like Tim Foust, Avi Kaplan, Geoff Castalluci sound amazing. My AKG K712 Pros still sound more resolving and have a wider soundstage with sound that feels like it starts further from your head so it makes you feel more surrounded by the music with all of the details like piano, guitar and other instruments coming through very detailed so in some cases I still prefer them. However it's awesome to have the ability to listen to music and movies from these different cans. Cheers.
I love my HD6XX. They're basically on my head for 8-9 hours a day at work. They're easy to listen to and comfortable. They are quite veiled, which is obvious when you listen to some flagships side by side with the 6XX. Now the trouble is figuring out what to upgrade to. LCD-1 would be a good upgrade if it was built better and more comfortable. Probably leaning toward 660s or just spending more and getting a pair of Focal Clear or ZMF. Areas that can be improved on for me: soundstage / imaging, detail / resolution, and probably a less forward midrange.
I can't agree more. HD 6XX + Little Dot MKII (with Voskhod 6J1P-EV tube) is my favorite combo to listen to musics (that are not focus on bass). It is very enjoyable and sound lively.
As usual i start my PC, turn on my 789, connect the 6XX and then open YT. Between my followed channels i see this video and watching it i remember why i bought the very same cans i'm using now and why i'm in love with them since my first listening. :)
Spot on. There's no other easier recommendation in audio for beginners than a 6XX, and I don't see that changing any time soon. I've had an HD600 since 2016 and I can't imagine not having one; for the reasons you stated in the video, but also because putting one on your head after a listening hiatus is like receiving a warm hug from an old friend. :) Great vid!
@@JTB-- Everyone knows that Hifiman are not wort it... Miss matched drivers , volume getting lower etxh etch just read forums. I change my Sundaras 2 times.
If you’re wondering whether or not you should buy it, just buy it. Trust me - you will seriously not regret it. I got these almost a year ago and they’re still great. It might take a few days or weeks to get used to the sound but once you do it’s great.
Watched on my 650. Picked 650 over 6XX because I'm in Europe and the cost was pretty much the same after shipping and tax, but I wanted a longer cable out of the two. For budget buyers I'd recommend 598SR over 6XX or 598CS for the outside. Otherwise the 650/6XX
Same, I have never changed pads on a senn 600 series headphone, but I have not on my few years old hifiman he400i either, so maybe my head is so small that they just don't get damaged. 😅
What makes the 6xx even better is that you can find them on sale on drop for around $180, which is a screaming deal for what is essentially a $500 former flagship headphone.
I have a set of HD565's that I have had over 20years with NO issues, they are fantastic. I needed a set with mic for the PC so bought PC373D's (with USB connector) and they are brilliant as well. Sennheiser are a superb brand and I know it's all subjective but you only get one set of ears, do them a favour! 👍🎶
We use the HD650 in automotive NVH playback, with a FIR filter to take out the coloring. They have been around forever, they are a solid price point, and they are generally consistent from manufacturing batch to batch.
Sennheiser has been Making these long with the hd600 for many years for a reason. They are classics. Few other headphones out their in the crazy heaphone market can capture with they can do for three $$. Their are many great more expensive headphones out there but so many have so e thing wierd or strange in their sonic signature. Some that cater so soundstage, some treble, some bass but rarely to you get such a good all around headphone. As for comfort, I have lost track of how many sessions I have fallen asleep listening to them. Classics!
Not sure why I decided to watch this video. Had these headphones for over 4 years and they are absolutely my favorite headphones I have ever owned. They are just comfortable and easy to listen to and they sound great to me.
The HD6XX is legendary for a reason. It may not be the best imaging or soundstage, but it’s a comfortable sound that you can listen to for hours without any fatigue. It’s like an old friend
I use the atom stack to power my 6XX as well as my my Hifiman HE4XX. I love the 6XX and I think that using them for long music sessions is a joy. But for some reason I just cant say that I like them for movies and video games.... With dialogue it just sounds like someone is speaking right into a microphone, right next to my ear. To the point that it actually pulls me out of the experience sometimes. By comparison, the soundstage on the 4XX is SO much bigger, which makes movies and games sound incredible. Don't get me wrong, I think that with any music, and certain genres in particular like classical or more vocal specific stuff, the 6XX is unmatched. But I think that anyone who has the HD 6XX aught to have a pair of 4XXs as well. Especially considering how inexpensive they both are. At least that's my opinion.
Finally the Little Dot Mk2 gets the recognition it deserves! I’ve been using it for 2 or 3 years and with swapped tubes and a set of 600ohm Beyers it sounds lovely.
Good headphones and speakers stay good. Developments in pleasing and natural DACs and transparent amplification have been far more significant over the last 10, 20, 30 years than developments in transducers and acoustics, outside of the super high end stuff. I've never heard the 6XX, but if they were ever worth $200 to the right person, they probably still are.
@@RealSteveEyes Nice love that DAP I've been using the Gungnir Multi w/ Mjolnir 2 combo balanced lately and the 6xx and Sundaras sound amazing through it. So smooth and so airy. Review coming out in about a month.
They are worth it at the original price of HD650.They are and still game changers for great all rounders that do everything well.I chose them over the Sundara because they have a fuller richer sound and better bass.
Three and half years ago when you started your youtube channel you kept talking about HD650 as your favorite headphone so I went to the store and bought HD650 based on your recommendation. Thank you very much because they are just amazing and best daily headphones you can have :).
I hate how much value the 6xx has but costs much more for us in Europe because of added customs taxes and Customs Police's fee. It would have been much better buying a 650 as it costs the same like 6xx with customs taxes and all. Plus, you don't need to wait ages for it to arrive whereas with 6xx you must contact the customs department and send a few papers regarding your intention with the product to the policemen since it's not from EU zone and if you get lucky that it doesn't get into customs dept., then there's a post office where you can spend half a day just for one product to pick up (if you live in a big city). That's why there are so many people preferring the 650 over 6xx.
6xx has a very intimate soundstage so it’s not optimal for gaming. (if you need to be able to easily picture where sounds are coming from) The TYGRs or any wider sounding + better imaging/resolving cans would probably be better for vidya. Still love the 6xx for everything else though!
I never got when people say it's not that detailed. I feel like it's actually quite detailed. The reason people say that is maybe because of the not so great soundstage and imaging and the relaxed signature. Then again I can only talk about the HD600, since I don't own the 650.
@@chuckyfox9284 I own both. That's how I perceive them. The hd6xx glances over the initial impact a bit more, which could be more useful depending on what your mixing for. Plus hd600 timbre is better as well
I sold my 6xx's a couple months back. I kinda felt that I had moved on and didn't need them anymore. I did not hate them at all but I just got better overall cans. Well, perhaps the Stax set was the final nail to the coffin for the Senns.
What a coincidence. I just bought these about a month ago. Prior to these I was using the Pc350 SEs on a Mayflower O2/ODAC combo. I haven't had a ton of time to really experience them but I really do enjoy them so far. They are my first open back headphone and I definitely notice the difference. I'm not a basshead by any means but I would say it's lacking by just a touch except at higher volumes and some minor eq adjustments. I wasn't super happy with how eq mucked with the rest of the sound range so I'll probably get something a bit more high end in the future. Overall I would agree these are fantastic for someone looking to get into more open back headphones especially if all you really know is "gaming" headsets.
I still prefer these over the elex.. most of the time, I really just luv the overall easing going natural sound, I really do enjoy the highs because they sound so natural. when I’m in on the sound I really do not feel like I’m missing anything but you do get more with the elex, elex is a lot more resolving, more detailed & if you’re a good listener you’ll definitely hear things you haven’t on the 650’s elex is all performance & 650’s are too just kick back too cause they’re laid back but also intimate which I luv
Almost every review of the 6xx talks about amplification. I own an objective 02, a magni 3, and a liquid spark. I've tried all 3 with the hd6xx and the sound is the same, once I adjust the volume control on each amp. I don't feel the need for a higher end amp. These 3 amps work just fine with the hd 6xx.
Treble doesn't roll off on the 6XX man. At least not within human audible range. It's pretty much flat to nearly 20 kHz. For anybody doubting this, here's a nice review and measurements of the HD650 - different versions of it too - where you can clearly see flat extension to 18-19 kHz: diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-s-se/hd650/ However, many could argue that that the highs are somewhat recessed on the 650/6XX vs the bass and mids and that may be somewhat true depending on where you are coming from. I would say it's slightly warm leaning, but by no means lacking treble presence. Just slightly on the warm side, yet still more neutral and accurate than most headphones. HD600 has a more neutral treble presence, but also a bit too much shout around 3 kHz
Boss, Which IEMs are closer to these? I hate harshness in trebles, regretting DT 770 pro. I could spend ~200$ or more depending on where diminishing returns start.
Probably the best value audio enthusiast headphone out there. Although im not too sure why you are replacing the pads so much. Mine have held up fine for over 2 years of daily use.
Thanks DMS, appreciate all your video. But may want to double check your comment on the HD650 after getting the new version HD650 made in Romania. I read that there is differences from the Ireland made and Romania made. Just thinking it will be more convincing to recommend it in 2020 if only you reviewed the new version rather then using the old version from Ireland which people may not be able to get their hands on for a new set. Also understand that the new set no longer come with the premium storage box from what i have heard. Cheers mate.
I'm also a HD6** fanboy, only recently have I found something I really prefer as a daily driver: the focal clear. So if you're not prepared to shell out $1400 for a headphone, stick to a 6**
Norton Family I bought the Arya and it was laughably bad, bass roll of (fixable with EQ) and tons of peaks and dips in the high frequencies to fake soundstage (not fixable via EQ). The Arya is such a scam I lost faith in the ears of many TH-cam reviewers.
@@Krmpfpks The Sundara is not the Arya; idk why youre even drawing such a comparison. In the mid-fi price range, the Sundara is king until you get to about 600 bucks, and even still its better than some 600 dollar headphones in most departments. It thoroughly trounces the 6xx, to the point where it justifies the $150 difference between them imo. Better bass extension, better detail retrieval, better soundstage and imaging, better tonality across the board (the mids and treble are fucking gorgeous on the Sundara considering its price), tighter and more impactful bass, etc. You could make the argument about qc with the Sundara, but it feels like Hifiman has really stepped up their game with build quality and quality control recently. The Sundara is already far more solidly built than most of Hifiman's headphones that came before it, and while there were a bunch of driver failure issues with the original model when it just came out, they have since made stealth revisions that supposedly fixed the issues commonly experienced with these headphones. That being said, I've only owned the Sundara for several months, so I can't say too much on that front with my current experience yet.
Norton Family thank you for your opinion. I have not tested the sundara and after your comment I surely will test it. You can imagine after my disappointment in the Arya I did not really feel the need to test another hifiman - they are not readily available in showrooms here in Germany.
@@Krmpfpks Yeah, after you commented I checked out the frequency response of the Arya, and it was strange to be sure. I can see where you're coming from with your opinion. If such a high-end headphone from Hifiman is a letdown, that doesn't exactly instill confidence in their cheaper products. However, they truly did do something special with the Sundara, and I hope you are able to test it soon.
Great review. Would you recommend to swap the pads from OEM to Dekoni fenestrated leather pads? Any sound improvements or problems with the Dekoni sound?
Hey, have you tried the HD599??? in my country you can find them for like 150 USD whereas the HD600 range start at the 350 USD mark. Would you recommend the HD599 considering the price? I heard someone said they sound pretty similar....
So if you love the 6xx what is a good upgrade? I’ve got my eyes on the elex but the QC issues are worrisome. Is there something else close to the elex that’s worth looking into? I’m $800ish is my cap
Unless you have enough money for ZMF stuff, you don't have a lot of options under $1000. There are headphones with better details, bass etc... in this price range, but they don't sound warm and smooth like the 6XX. You can try the Audeze 2 Classic, they are also warm, but not everyone likes how planars sound. Maybe try the Audio Technica R70x, a lot of people like me think they're an upgrade from the HD6XX.
New to the hp game. Having watched your vids for a few weeks, I trust you judgment. My int amp has a hp stage with output source imp spec of 100 ohms. I understand that is a high number. Can you suggest a few hp which will mate well with such high imp? Budget is around 600 and I listen primarily to 60s rock, with smattering of jazz, symphonic works and opera. Thanx, Mr. DMS, for your help.
The giant hole in his ears is to make his ears more open back
and here i was thinking it was some kind of self-mutilation fetish like all tattoos and gauge earrings
A little uncalled for, don't you think? He's got a great channel and does a really good job with it, what else do you want?
@@chethammer it’s a joke
@@mercury-779 When you say things like that online you have to remember that there is no facial expression or inflection to tell that it is a joke. You'll find no one more anti-tattoo or gauge than me.
@@chethammer do you know how stupid my comment sounds, nobody is gonna take it seriously
Short answer: yes
You are a good man.
Shorter answer: no :)
@@jdavis234 that's a longer answer
No. The 560s and dt 880 both are flat out better
indeed
After a year of using my 6xx, I completely agree with this review. I feel a sense of relief when I return to these after trying out different headphones. Warm and familiar, and unlike other headphones, I don't get tired of them.
I think I'm going to grab a pair of these, currently on the Philips 9500.
Agreed. I have a few pairs of headphones now, and the 650s are always on my desk ready to be plugged back in.
How’s the bass? I have a pair of G933’s and I’m looking for headphones that are clear, but can still rumble my ears a bit with bass, which my old pair did.
Have had my HD6XX for over a year now and for someone who has mild tinnitus in my left ear (triggered by high frequency sounds) this headphone has been a godsent.
What do you think of the 660s?
I would just unplug the left wire and select the source as Mono whenever possible. After a few days, you will adjust to a slightly less full sound BUT go to bed smiling- less ringing. "Take care of that ear now, while you can." It has the potential to get m u c h worse. Trust me. I heard a story of an up and coming guitar player. He was finally getting pretty good but basically had to stop doing what he truly l o v e d. Oh wait, that was me. In the meantime, wearing ear plugs daily really helps. Mack's are great and you get used to them.
Nice car by the way- my next one might be an M3.
S..t, have tinnitus in left ear as well, at the beginning I couldn't sleep. I try to noisy environment as much as possible, and YT and TV commercials drive me crazy, as they are good few dBs higher in level.
@@pliedtka Use an earplug in that ear (often) and 100%, scoot the headphone cup OFF your left ear (move towards the back of your head- thicker skull area than in front.) If not, you will likely live to regret it in time.
As a daily guitar player who uses headphones and plug-ins often, I understand the sound (stereo) is not as full or satisfying, BUT you do get use to it- a new normal. Your ear will thank you and you will sleep better. If possible, set the track to mono from the source so you don't miss any sound information.
You might also want to look into Magnesium L-Threonate and Vit. D (together) and exercise with deep breathing (vagus nerve activation.) This can lower BP which is known to help. I'm not a doctor or expert and this is not advise, but all these things have seemed to help me. Know this, prevention is far better than cure. Sometimes I miss the full sound of playing a real guitar amp or play a few sets in a band, but when I do...I very quickly regret it (for weeks.)
@@MOAB-UT For earplugs, you can use FSA funds for Ultimate Ears in ear plugs. They are expensive, but great to wear for concerts…
I've had my HD600 for 15 years, It has been through 3 sets of pads and headband, still sounds as competent as the first day, gonna keep it forever. Thanks for sharing!
Ive had mine for 5 years and the pads show no sign of needing replacing. People forget these headphones used to be $500-600 back when they were new.
@@soundpitchblack It depends how much you use them, I use them every single day for at least 5 hours and need to replace pads every year at least. They definitely get worn down over time and lose shape, not drastically, but enough to make an audible difference when you swap out for newer pads and compare back.
Completely agree. These headphones are just lovable. Give them some jazz, classical, acoustic, or classic rock, and fade out, man. Pure pleasure.
I recently bought the 6XX and can't put in words how incredible these are compared to generic headphones/headsets. I can not really compare them on this level but for a beginner I wouldn't hesitate a second
I built a retro gaming PC kinda. Had to buy these with the drop amps.
I honestly forget I’m wearing them sometimes… I’ve used them for ~600 hours in Hell Let Loose alone. Lol
They’re great.
They're worth it for comfort alone. So many other headphones that I've tried sound great and offer interesting differences to my 660s but I can't wear them for more than 45 minutes without developing a splitting headache. I can wear any of the hd600 series for hours and hours without even realizing they are there.
Very true that's why I love 660s and honestly none of what I tried sound better.. just sound different. And with eq u can do what ever u like.
agree comfort, 1st most important aspect of a headphone
Most of the open back dynamic driver headphones are light and comfortable. hd660 is not even comfortable as 9500 or ad900x
@@tadokorovsky9746 lol
I feel this is the case for most if not all Sennheiser headphones. Tried so many times to try out other headphones but there is someting about Sennheisers that just fits and rests on your head naturally. Ive had HD500, HD600, HD650, HD6XX, HD700 and also demoed HD800. All is super comfortable. (HD6XX is my daily driver for gaming and music). If i ever win the lottery i might check out HD800S :D
I've had a set of hd 650 for 4 years and I cant imagine replacing them with anything else. Least fatiguing headphone I've ever heard as well as that awesome midrange Sennheiser is known for
I've had the same experience with the HD 6XX. I have headphones that are substantialy better in terms of soundstage, bass extension and dynamic impact, but I haven't yet found a pair that are less fatiguing.
@@tuuudes3449 What about ZMF?
@@Jordonater I've never tried any ZMF headphones, sorry
I bought 660s around release and I’ve tried adding headphones to my collection but none can seem to compare. I just love the sound and feel of the 660s and can’t see myself finding anything better for the price. If they break, I’ll just buy another pair.
@@tuuudes3449 Most people dont get a chance tbh. The Aeolus is said to be a super HD650 though which is why i mentioned it.
Hi DMS, please do a 2020 headphone TIER list :)
And a 2020 IEM tier list
you got it! I have a few more videos queued up but I'll throw that in the mix.
He did it!
And it was great !
I got my 6XX forever ago when they first came out and been using them on a daily since. I wear them on 14h workdays without getting uncomfortable, I take them along to places, treat them like normal headphones. Being from the EU the import taxes were crazy but were they to break, I'd buy them again, hands down. I wouldn't hesitate a single minute.
I have a DAC/Amp from drop. Very durable too...
if you're eu buy directly from senn, after import its around the same price and going through senn for warranty is a lot easier and a better experience compared to drop
@@hoecage8781 I think at the time there wasn't the option and they're still going strong :) Had to replace the ear cups ofc but those headphones feel like they'll last me a lifetime. Should anything happen though, thanks for the advice! :) I appreciate it
I got a used pair for 130, paired with a balanced cord and my btr5, it's really a great setup. Good enough to not leave me wanting, which is awesome.
I certainly think the 650/6XX is, considering the longevity of its design, and how easily user serviceable it is, unlike the AKG K7-SERIES. I will always keep my HD6XX in my fleet.
Agree all around with the exception that they are not exactly an "easy, daily drive" Without some level of amplification they are rather timid.
Like what
The “problem” with the 58X and 6XX is if you’re now hooked on hi-end audio and want to “upgrade” you’ll probably have to spend three or four times as much, if not more. People keep saying the Focal Clear is the next logical step. USD$220 >>>> $1500, really? These people need to give me access to their bank accounts because that’s a VW beetle to Porsche turbo jump.
And the worst thing is that they are not 7 times better, despite the 7 times bigger price. I even thought about selling my old HD650, but I realised, that there is no better option for that money
Anyone who says you need a Focal Clear to get an upgrade is just wrong lol. The 6XX is not better than every headphone on the market under $1500... I hear people say that the Focal Elex is the natural upgrade from the 6XX because it's got a similar sound signature, though I haven't heard it. But other great options that are well under $1500 include stuff like the LCD-2C, the Hifiman Sundara, Hifiman Ananda, Monolith M1060, Fostex TH-X00 and probably many others that I'm not even aware of. Many of those have totally different sound signatures from the 6XX, so that's another reason why it isn't the be all end all.
I have the Focal Clear and I prefer the Hd650 XD Trebles are much smoother and the listening more natural on sennheiser. I like my focal but trebles peaks and dips are annoying. You miss details and get some harshness...
So here's a question, what are your thoughts between the 58x and the 6xx?
Imo,if HD600/650 had wider 3d soundstage like X2s and a bit of lower bass,people probably never want another headphone.
I would like a wider stage, with more space between the left, middle, and right positions. But I'm fine with the bass as it is. I really enjoy the overall sound.
Yeah but if it had those 2 it would lose the midrange focus they are known for
If u Want bigger soundstage and Lower bass... then u need different Headphone something like Sundaras.... Or u Can Take of The foam back of the driver , make the Coin mod and then Use Bigger Pads or angled for more Sound stage ... But again u get a different sound.
@@Tripokaridos22 The challenge is getting large 3D soundstage without losing what 6X0 are great at.There are more capable headphones but a few headphones produce sound as satisfying as 6X0 series and even less without breaking the bank. LCD-2 and Auteur are around $800+ and $1600+ respectively and have that signature that works with most genre and are satisfying to listen to but they only thing that LCD-2 do noticeably better is Bass and Autuer afaik does eveything better than a 6X0 but not by large margin.So they are what they are and unless Sennheiser listens to the customers and goes back to drawing board and works on what we want as HD600S or HD650S,these headphones are not going anywhere and Sennheiser knows that.
@@tareqhaider6327 The HD650s have been around for 17 years now. In that time, the price has dropped very substantially (if you count the HD6XX). There's just nothing like the value you get for your money. The graphed increase in quality for spending more money is a very long, slow rise from there. Even Sennheiser can't beat its value. I can understand some people who just need an energetic sound with deep bass not caring for them. But for jazz, classical, acoustic, and classic rock, they're just amazing-- esp at the price. Put them with a JDS stack or Element, and you're done.
MDR-7506 until they break, I've already done a detachable cable mod, due to the cable on mine breaking. They are easy to repair, mod, and sound great.
"They've been around for a long time"
*DT 990's have entered the chat*
I got a pair of DT990 600 Ohm edition chrome a little over a year ago. I don't see myself letting go of them anytime soon, especially when reviewers like DMS compare it favorably against Senn HD 650's. They are just fun AF.
to each their signature, but after the 770 and 990, I'll take the 880 all day. Either way, the Beyers have been around for ages and are in no way inferior to the Senns. Just different :)
Let the memes begins
@@PastafarianLemur personally I think it 990 600ohm and even better than a HD 820. The level of imaging accuracy and detail is insane
Idk if I'd pick em over the 6xx, but I'll be damned, I keep my 770s next to my bed whenever I just wanna jam and take a nap. Never regret buying it to have haha
I've had HD580s since probably before you were born and every other 6 series since and still listen to them regularly....
Except lately my Grado fetish has taken over a bit
I finally have my pair of HD 6XXs and I LOVE these. It's amazing. What's funny is I don't have a "proper" DAC yet but I'm using a Sennheiser GSX 1000 with a Schiit Vali tube amp and it sounds so nice. I agree with everything here. It's very intimate and makes deeper vocals like Tim Foust, Avi Kaplan, Geoff Castalluci sound amazing. My AKG K712 Pros still sound more resolving and have a wider soundstage with sound that feels like it starts further from your head so it makes you feel more surrounded by the music with all of the details like piano, guitar and other instruments coming through very detailed so in some cases I still prefer them. However it's awesome to have the ability to listen to music and movies from these different cans. Cheers.
I love my HD6XX. They're basically on my head for 8-9 hours a day at work. They're easy to listen to and comfortable. They are quite veiled, which is obvious when you listen to some flagships side by side with the 6XX. Now the trouble is figuring out what to upgrade to. LCD-1 would be a good upgrade if it was built better and more comfortable. Probably leaning toward 660s or just spending more and getting a pair of Focal Clear or ZMF. Areas that can be improved on for me: soundstage / imaging, detail / resolution, and probably a less forward midrange.
I can't agree more. HD 6XX + Little Dot MKII (with Voskhod 6J1P-EV tube) is my favorite combo to listen to musics (that are not focus on bass). It is very enjoyable and sound lively.
As usual i start my PC, turn on my 789, connect the 6XX and then open YT. Between my followed channels i see this video and watching it i remember why i bought the very same cans i'm using now and why i'm in love with them since my first listening. :)
Spot on. There's no other easier recommendation in audio for beginners than a 6XX, and I don't see that changing any time soon. I've had an HD600 since 2016 and I can't imagine not having one; for the reasons you stated in the video, but also because putting one on your head after a listening hiatus is like receiving a warm hug from an old friend. :) Great vid!
Home Studio Basics any hifiman headphone sounds better then any 600 series
@@MrStingraybernard Hifiman ? The ones with full of problems ? No way thanka.
@@JTB-- Everyone knows that Hifiman are not wort it... Miss matched drivers , volume getting lower etxh etch just read forums. I change my Sundaras 2 times.
Which amp/dac do people recommend?
hey one my fav audiophile reviewers tuning in! i see you home studio basics 😉😁
If you’re wondering whether or not you should buy it, just buy it. Trust me - you will seriously not regret it. I got these almost a year ago and they’re still great. It might take a few days or weeks to get used to the sound but once you do it’s great.
Watched on my 650. Picked 650 over 6XX because I'm in Europe and the cost was pretty much the same after shipping and tax, but I wanted a longer cable out of the two.
For budget buyers I'd recommend 598SR over 6XX or 598CS for the outside. Otherwise the 650/6XX
"With pads you need to replace every year"
Meanwhile I'm using the same pads after 3 years of heavy use..
Same, I have never changed pads on a senn 600 series headphone, but I have not on my few years old hifiman he400i either, so maybe my head is so small that they just don't get damaged. 😅
What makes the 6xx even better is that you can find them on sale on drop for around $180, which is a screaming deal for what is essentially a $500 former flagship headphone.
I have a set of HD565's that I have had over 20years with NO issues, they are fantastic. I needed a set with mic for the PC so bought PC373D's (with USB connector) and they are brilliant as well. Sennheiser are a superb brand and I know it's all subjective but you only get one set of ears, do them a favour! 👍🎶
never mentioned timbre which is interesting
(sorry if he did and I missed it)
I am a happy owner of one set of these Mass Drop HD6xx...WILL NEVER sell them!
Same, love my pair!
We use the HD650 in automotive NVH playback, with a FIR filter to take out the coloring. They have been around forever, they are a solid price point, and they are generally consistent from manufacturing batch to batch.
Sennheiser has been Making these long with the hd600 for many years for a reason. They are classics. Few other headphones out their in the crazy heaphone market can capture with they can do for three $$. Their are many great more expensive headphones out there but so many have so e thing wierd or strange in their sonic signature. Some that cater so soundstage, some treble, some bass but rarely to you get such a good all around headphone. As for comfort, I have lost track of how many sessions I have fallen asleep listening to them. Classics!
Not sure why I decided to watch this video. Had these headphones for over 4 years and they are absolutely my favorite headphones I have ever owned. They are just comfortable and easy to listen to and they sound great to me.
great video , i got emotional and teary eyed.. i do luv my Sennheiser HD 6xx! DMS, you're the man!
The HD6XX is legendary for a reason. It may not be the best imaging or soundstage, but it’s a comfortable sound that you can listen to for hours without any fatigue. It’s like an old friend
I use the atom stack to power my 6XX as well as my my Hifiman HE4XX. I love the 6XX and I think that using them for long music sessions is a joy. But for some reason I just cant say that I like them for movies and video games.... With dialogue it just sounds like someone is speaking right into a microphone, right next to my ear. To the point that it actually pulls me out of the experience sometimes. By comparison, the soundstage on the 4XX is SO much bigger, which makes movies and games sound incredible.
Don't get me wrong, I think that with any music, and certain genres in particular like classical or more vocal specific stuff, the 6XX is unmatched. But I think that anyone who has the HD 6XX aught to have a pair of 4XXs as well. Especially considering how inexpensive they both are. At least that's my opinion.
Finally the Little Dot Mk2 gets the recognition it deserves! I’ve been using it for 2 or 3 years and with swapped tubes and a set of 600ohm Beyers it sounds lovely.
When I first got into headphones, a Little Dot paired with an HD 650 was my dream setup.
" For all intents and purposes "
That is all
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Good headphones and speakers stay good. Developments in pleasing and natural DACs and transparent amplification have been far more significant over the last 10, 20, 30 years than developments in transducers and acoustics, outside of the super high end stuff. I've never heard the 6XX, but if they were ever worth $200 to the right person, they probably still are.
Still waiting my 6xx to arrive, I’m so excited especially after many years of using crapy v-shaped headphones.
The best headphone I ever had. The sound is great, comfort, everything. Nothing, literally nothing to complain about.
LOVE MINE! Daily drove them for about 2 years and always come back to em. Like right now, for instance, DMS videos on these puppies are awesome.
Great review. Any advice i can get the HD600 and 6XX for the same price? Also music I listen to is orchestral. Cheers
I just got mine a few weeks ago and they sound incredible with a SMSL SP200 thx amp 🤯🤯🤯
The best amp for the 6xx!!
What source?
@@BennyKsBandwidth through a fiio m11
@@RealSteveEyes Nice love that DAP I've been using the Gungnir Multi w/ Mjolnir 2 combo balanced lately and the 6xx and Sundaras sound amazing through it. So smooth and so airy. Review coming out in about a month.
@@BennyKsBandwidth I did I quick review on my page
What sucks about having to replace the earpads so often is that they are $50 and the aftermarket knockoff don't work as well.
jds atom + dac + these = $400 absolute banger audio set up.
What dac do you recommend?
@@wrliggin2 schiit makes the modi? I think it's called, 100 bucks and absolute banger,
Do ya reckon the FiiO BTR5 could run these?
They are worth it at the original price of HD650.They are and still game changers for great all rounders that do everything well.I chose them over the Sundara because they have a fuller richer sound and better bass.
Great lighting and quality. Happy with my very 1st audiophile headphones the 58x.
Is the bass overwhelming?
@@kc_13b67 no it's nice and also takes bass well... Especially sounds nice with iFi xBass.
@@LakerTriangle Awesome, I look forward to mine ariving.
I have just sold both 6xx and 58x for hd600..... Love the 600 more
Why not both :)
Three and half years ago when you started your youtube channel you kept talking about HD650 as your favorite headphone so I went to the store and bought HD650 based on your recommendation. Thank you very much because they are just amazing and best daily headphones you can have :).
love the shots! never knew what the insides looked like.
watching this video with the hd6xx paired with schiit heresy :-)
Absolutely! The headphones timbre just sounds very natural to me. So far I did not hear another headphone which surpased it in terms of timbre.
I just got the Feliks Audio Echo and the 6XX plays wonderful with it. Goes great with a Bifrost 2.
Love my HD600s, they are extremely pleasing, airy and lifelike sounding.
And Jesus Christ that tonality...
2024.. still cant even consider getting rid of my HD650's.. still rocking an o2 amp from jds labs too :)
Replaced my gaming headset with these and I use these for everything now.
How do you find their gaming performance?
I always kept 2 pairs of this around. The original and the massdrop cause I panicked when they stoped producing them.
Got my hd6xx not even 2 weeks ago paired up with a schiit Valhalla 2 tube amp and modi 3 dac. Best experience of my life
Absolutely! HD6XX and DT880 pro are my mains!
I hate how much value the 6xx has but costs much more for us in Europe because of added customs taxes and Customs Police's fee. It would have been much better buying a 650 as it costs the same like 6xx with customs taxes and all. Plus, you don't need to wait ages for it to arrive whereas with 6xx you must contact the customs department and send a few papers regarding your intention with the product to the policemen since it's not from EU zone and if you get lucky that it doesn't get into customs dept., then there's a post office where you can spend half a day just for one product to pick up (if you live in a big city). That's why there are so many people preferring the 650 over 6xx.
How would you compare tygr 300r against this?
I'm considering buying those for gaming/music listening
I have the 6XX, but have also been very curious about this..
6xx has a very intimate soundstage so it’s not optimal for gaming. (if you need to be able to easily picture where sounds are coming from) The TYGRs or any wider sounding + better imaging/resolving cans would probably be better for vidya. Still love the 6xx for everything else though!
Are you Eddie Redmayne
's long lost brother?
As his mother, I can attest to the fact that he is not:)
@@thetndixie xD
I don't know if I just got lucky or whatever, but my 6XXs are extremely comfortable, and the earpads are still in great shape after a couple of years.
I never got when people say it's not that detailed. I feel like it's actually quite detailed. The reason people say that is maybe because of the not so great soundstage and imaging and the relaxed signature. Then again I can only talk about the HD600, since I don't own the 650.
Hd600 is more detailed than the 6xx
brendon elliott Are you sure?
@@chuckyfox9284 I own both. That's how I perceive them. The hd6xx glances over the initial impact a bit more, which could be more useful depending on what your mixing for.
Plus hd600 timbre is better as well
@@Firenmage433Interesting!
Good to see you back duder
I sold my 6xx's a couple months back. I kinda felt that I had moved on and didn't need them anymore. I did not hate them at all but I just got better overall cans. Well, perhaps the Stax set was the final nail to the coffin for the Senns.
What a coincidence. I just bought these about a month ago. Prior to these I was using the Pc350 SEs on a Mayflower O2/ODAC combo. I haven't had a ton of time to really experience them but I really do enjoy them so far. They are my first open back headphone and I definitely notice the difference.
I'm not a basshead by any means but I would say it's lacking by just a touch except at higher volumes and some minor eq adjustments. I wasn't super happy with how eq mucked with the rest of the sound range so I'll probably get something a bit more high end in the future. Overall I would agree these are fantastic for someone looking to get into more open back headphones especially if all you really know is "gaming" headsets.
I still prefer these over the elex.. most of the time, I really just luv the overall easing going natural sound, I really do enjoy the highs because they sound so natural. when I’m in on the sound I really do not feel like I’m missing anything but you do get more with the elex, elex is a lot more resolving, more detailed & if you’re a good listener you’ll definitely hear things you haven’t on the 650’s elex is all performance & 650’s are too just kick back too cause they’re laid back but also intimate which I luv
Almost every review of the 6xx talks about amplification.
I own an objective 02, a magni 3, and a liquid spark.
I've tried all 3 with the hd6xx and the sound is the same, once I adjust the volume control on each amp.
I don't feel the need for a higher end amp. These 3 amps work just fine with the hd 6xx.
Hey dude, just wondering how much of an impact the amp has on these headphones?
Just got 600. God, they’re great!
is it worth it upgrading from a hd58x to a 6xx?
Treble doesn't roll off on the 6XX man. At least not within human audible range. It's pretty much flat to nearly 20 kHz. For anybody doubting this, here's a nice review and measurements of the HD650 - different versions of it too - where you can clearly see flat extension to 18-19 kHz: diyaudioheaven.wordpress.com/headphones/measurements/brands-s-se/hd650/
However, many could argue that that the highs are somewhat recessed on the 650/6XX vs the bass and mids and that may be somewhat true depending on where you are coming from. I would say it's slightly warm leaning, but by no means lacking treble presence. Just slightly on the warm side, yet still more neutral and accurate than most headphones. HD600 has a more neutral treble presence, but also a bit too much shout around 3 kHz
DMS, thanks for the review in 2020. I've always enjoyed your take.
Got mine yesterday, really happy
clamp force is great imo
DMS please make a comparison video about the difference between stock and non-stock HD650/6XX earpads.
I always been curious on what to upgrade to from the micca origin, I def am gonna be on a lookout for that lil dot video!
What's a really good iem, is easy to listen to for hours , has soundstage and up to around 400 ? Any takers? ☺️
I like these for certain types of music: rock, 70s soul. But for other genres, they can be a little too rich, thick and chocolik
Boss, Which IEMs are closer to these? I hate harshness in trebles, regretting DT 770 pro. I could spend ~200$ or more depending on where diminishing returns start.
Which would you choose at current pricing: HD6XX @ $280 or HD660s @ $345? Thanks
Probably the best value audio enthusiast headphone out there. Although im not too sure why you are replacing the pads so much. Mine have held up fine for over 2 years of daily use.
Thanks DMS, appreciate all your video. But may want to double check your comment on the HD650 after getting the new version HD650 made in Romania. I read that there is differences from the Ireland made and Romania made. Just thinking it will be more convincing to recommend it in 2020 if only you reviewed the new version rather then using the old version from Ireland which people may not be able to get their hands on for a new set. Also understand that the new set no longer come with the premium storage box from what i have heard. Cheers mate.
I'm also a HD6** fanboy, only recently have I found something I really prefer as a daily driver: the focal clear. So if you're not prepared to shell out $1400 for a headphone, stick to a 6**
Or just get the Sundara instead of the 6xx
Norton Family I bought the Arya and it was laughably bad, bass roll of (fixable with EQ) and tons of peaks and dips in the high frequencies to fake soundstage (not fixable via EQ). The Arya is such a scam I lost faith in the ears of many TH-cam reviewers.
@@Krmpfpks The Sundara is not the Arya; idk why youre even drawing such a comparison. In the mid-fi price range, the Sundara is king until you get to about 600 bucks, and even still its better than some 600 dollar headphones in most departments. It thoroughly trounces the 6xx, to the point where it justifies the $150 difference between them imo. Better bass extension, better detail retrieval, better soundstage and imaging, better tonality across the board (the mids and treble are fucking gorgeous on the Sundara considering its price), tighter and more impactful bass, etc.
You could make the argument about qc with the Sundara, but it feels like Hifiman has really stepped up their game with build quality and quality control recently. The Sundara is already far more solidly built than most of Hifiman's headphones that came before it, and while there were a bunch of driver failure issues with the original model when it just came out, they have since made stealth revisions that supposedly fixed the issues commonly experienced with these headphones. That being said, I've only owned the Sundara for several months, so I can't say too much on that front with my current experience yet.
Norton Family thank you for your opinion. I have not tested the sundara and after your comment I surely will test it. You can imagine after my disappointment in the Arya I did not really feel the need to test another hifiman - they are not readily available in showrooms here in Germany.
@@Krmpfpks Yeah, after you commented I checked out the frequency response of the Arya, and it was strange to be sure. I can see where you're coming from with your opinion. If such a high-end headphone from Hifiman is a letdown, that doesn't exactly instill confidence in their cheaper products. However, they truly did do something special with the Sundara, and I hope you are able to test it soon.
Very nice and in depth review👍 Liked and subbed
Have you tried dedicated Drop amp for 6XX? I wonder how it compares to Little Dot MK2.
In your opinion if you own a 560s (1 pair only) which of the 600/650 is the better pair for a warmer listening?
Great review. Would you recommend to swap the pads from OEM to Dekoni fenestrated leather pads? Any sound improvements or problems with the Dekoni sound?
Hey, have you tried the HD599???
in my country you can find them for like 150 USD whereas the HD600 range start at the 350 USD mark.
Would you recommend the HD599 considering the price?
I heard someone said they sound pretty similar....
They were worth getting in 2023 too 💪👌 this statement shall be accurate for years imo
You've helped me get into audio, thanks a bunch bro. Keep it up!
Hey DMS! I'm also considering the AT R70X but these are significantly cheaper. Should I get the 6xx or save up for the R70X?
Would you go for the Little Dot MK2 or the MK3 these days? Or even MK4 ?? tx!
So if you love the 6xx what is a good upgrade? I’ve got my eyes on the elex but the QC issues are worrisome. Is there something else close to the elex that’s worth looking into? I’m $800ish is my cap
Unless you have enough money for ZMF stuff, you don't have a lot of options under $1000. There are headphones with better details, bass etc... in this price range, but they don't sound warm and smooth like the 6XX. You can try the Audeze 2 Classic, they are also warm, but not everyone likes how planars sound. Maybe try the Audio Technica R70x, a lot of people like me think they're an upgrade from the HD6XX.
hd6xx is timeless
New to the hp game. Having watched your vids for a few weeks, I trust you judgment. My int amp has a hp stage with output source imp spec of 100 ohms. I understand that is a high number. Can you suggest a few hp which will mate well with such high imp? Budget is around 600 and I listen primarily to 60s rock, with smattering of jazz, symphonic works and opera. Thanx, Mr. DMS, for your help.
Rolloffs are never harsh- peaks are.
Can I ask for a good tube setup for the hd650? I am curious to try the tube sound. Also, guides to pre-amping would be helpful
What's that bit of audio you've got at the end, it sounds really nice!