The 6xx or HD650 and the Bottlehead crack with speed ball are worth at least a thousand dollars more than you pay for them and can be an end game set up for any audiophile.
I had the 6XX and 650 and ended up keeping the 650, but would be happy with either. Agree with everything you're saying here. On a smaller scale, I think the Koss PortaPro falls into the same sort of "keeper" / "reference" standard but for portables. The PortaPro even does scale a bit on better equipment. It makes headphones a lot more fun when they change as you go up the chain.
I typo-ed here. I had the 6XX and the *600* (not the 650) and kept the 600. It's my understanding there are no consequential differences between the 6XX and the 650. @@HimalayanChicken
GM ☕️ I’ll always have and enjoy my OG Sen’s 650’s …tho when I want a more intense experience..LCDX 2021 Creators Package ( my personal endgame) but the Sen’s will always have a place in my headphone stable. Oh, yea the Xduoo 604 Class A - Hybrid Tube amp is wonderful on it. Great video.
I was never a huge fan of these until I picked up a vintage Harman Kardon receiver (330c … sweet) and these sound fantastic to my ears driven by the HK.
After watching this I had to pull mine out. These still amaze me. They like a lot of push to make them go, they seem to work best for me with the magni piety amp. This is an awesome pairing. I have an amp that boasts 8 watts output, but the piety blows that amp away as far as output and sonic replay😅
Hi, great and interesting video, the price currently is $199, I bought mine at the price recently, it did used to be made in Ireland mine was made in Romania and you get a 1.8m cable , its comes in a plain box not the nice hinged box previously and a 3m cable, I have fitted the custom cans mid which Inproves the bass on lower end. I now prefer these ones compared to my hd660 s1. Overall it's a great headphone fir the price , regards mark
I did not mod my 6XX just because I have nothing against the sound, especially with my tube amp they have enough driver control BUT I did order DT880 600 ohm with custom cans mods I cant wait to hear it
I would also love to review it, and all their other stuff I haven't heard yet. Last I talked to them they said they were suspending sending out review units because they were struggling to keep up with demand. That's made it hard to review pieces of Schiit. Either I have to buy one myself (which I certainly don't have the funds to do regularly) or get a loaner unit from a 3rd party (happens occasionally but not consistently). I can reach out to them again and see if they're in a better position.
The Element II works well with these. Not my favorite pairing, but it’s not the fault of the Element II. It has more to do that the 6XX are so much better with my Darkvoice tube amp.
There are many a time I actually preferred the hd650 on a tube amp over the Utopia and the Susvara. Utopia's tone is slightly off compared to hd650, the Susvara is more natural than the Utopia, but Susvara does not have that dense voicing of the hd650. Of course there are things the Utopia and Susvara does better, but the hd650 is nothing to scoff at when plugged into an appropriate chain. It can hang with the big boys all day and then some.
I did same mistake sold my beauty 600 old division, later on I bought 6XX at least also old version midnight blue made in ireland, no doubt there are headphones so specific that we will miss them no matter what
Nah, its bass is mushy, overly warm, and has very poor extention for me to own. Effectively, sennheiser saw all the subjective problems of the 600 like its poor, left front right imaging making everything sound too closed in, and instead of making a better headphone, they just put a vail over it so it wasnt as intense. Its still the best tuned warm headphone in existence if thats what you want, but it has way too many problems to be universal. Its a headphone for people that think they listen to a wide genre of music, but actually don't come near that description.
Sold my 6xx and got sundara...the 6xx sound to me was thin and narrow.. Lack of body.. With sundara a looot more happens.. But i don t use a tube amp but. Fiio k9 pro..
@@TheMaurob1979thin? Maybe because it has no subbass, but its midbass is too thick. It has a elevation for which is uncontrolled. The sundara doesn't have the best tuning, but its far more universal than the hd series.
I thoroughly hate the HD6XX, HD650, and HD600. I don't think they are even remotely capable in general, let alone some kind of miracle with mids. They have good midrange timbre but not tuning. That is literally it. Nothing else. Couple that with the veil they have, total lack of bass, total lack of detail, total lack of soundstage width height and depth, total lack of any convincing imaging and what you have at the end is a whole bad headphone that does almost nothing right. Their hype is the most overblown hype in the history of audio and it will never be eclipsed by anything else ever again because it was a total anomaly that it got so much praise in the first place.
@@soulfulfool No, they're just not good. Currently on a 2023 Burson Soloist 3x GT with full opamp swap (Sparkos SS2590 duals in the voltage gain and volume stage, Sonic Imagery Labs 994 duals in the input buffer), SP-02 power modules, and 5a Supercharger. DAC is a Rockna Wavedream Signature Balanced fed I2S by a Holo Red. Tubes don't fix them, they just aren't good.
@@pokrog why do you even try? that gear is worth so much money that you should be able to get top headphones, 6XX is only for mid range tubes do make them better but they never will be correct sounding highs and lows are lacking
@@soulfulfool And that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they should compete with the TOTL end of the market, but I am saying that praising them like they're the greatest entry level headphone and acting like they're impossible to hate is just thoroughly braindead. I personally actually do think they kinda sound like shit even at their price point and even with EQ or tubes, their technicalities are honestly extremely lacking, especially the way the market is nowadays. They can't slam with any authority even with EQ, they can't stage, they image like trash, they have too forward mids, lack detail and treble extension, and have a pretty thick veil in the mids that obscures a lot of texture and detail and while the mids timbre might be very decent, the tuning and veil definitely makes them come off as almost honky and hazy. I totally get why people like them, but I really really don't think they're anything special at all and certainly don't deserve to be a default recommendation, especially when they're downright bad on entry level signal chains which kinda excludes them from entry level hobbyists. I understand their place in the hobby and I do agree that if you're deep into the hobby and are trying to find your perfect headphones that you should probably own and keep the HD6XX for comparisons and direction when reading/watching reviews so you can get a really good idea of the comparisons since they're so common, but to me, that's basically their sole purpose anymore.
@@pokrog yes I agree, those and any of high impedance headphones are not for amateurs without decent gear but if you notice what mainstream users do like which is mostly bass you got there obvious answer 😅 they dont care about details or bass texture, layering etc with headphones veiled like that they never gonna know that details exist in their songs haha but also like I said they dont care
Do not listen to this. I have tried these and they are so mid. These headphones are so boring you will listen to it once then never again. Save your money
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Sold mine, missed them, found an HD 650 on sale and really happy to have them back.
Sold the sundaras and got the hd650...were fantastic but heavy and too bright.. So fatigue and uncomfortable after 30 min..
I recommended these to my composer friend (former student.) He uses them for all his
mixing and is Very pleased with the 6xx.
Sennheiser HD 560 S are also excellent. Got mine for $150 on Prime day and they are right there with the 6XX and HD600
The 6xx or HD650 and the Bottlehead crack with speed ball are worth at least a thousand dollars more than you pay for them and can be an end game set up for any audiophile.
I had the 6XX and 650 and ended up keeping the 650, but would be happy with either. Agree with everything you're saying here. On a smaller scale, I think the Koss PortaPro falls into the same sort of "keeper" / "reference" standard but for portables. The PortaPro even does scale a bit on better equipment. It makes headphones a lot more fun when they change as you go up the chain.
What are the differences between the 2. Cuz people act like paying less money doesn't mean you have to give up something.
I typo-ed here. I had the 6XX and the *600* (not the 650) and kept the 600. It's my understanding there are no consequential differences between the 6XX and the 650. @@HimalayanChicken
Agreed. HD650 is my daily headphone.
True that., 👍I recommend Feliks Audio OTL, the vocals are sooo beautiful.
Thank you for your videos.
Any headphone listener should own an HD650; These headphones are the qualitative gateway to this hobby.
6XX paired with my G111 MKII are glorious. Sundaras too when I want to switch it up.
GM ☕️
I’ll always have and enjoy my OG Sen’s 650’s …tho when I want a more intense experience..LCDX 2021 Creators Package ( my personal endgame) but the Sen’s will always have a place in my headphone stable.
Oh, yea the Xduoo 604 Class A - Hybrid Tube amp is wonderful on it.
Great video.
I was never a huge fan of these until I picked up a vintage Harman Kardon receiver (330c … sweet) and these sound fantastic to my ears driven by the HK.
many people dont understand that they need better audio chain, high impedance headphones are not for noobs xD
For some reason, my 6XX loves Moto G Power 5G (and other tablets running MTK hardware)
Sound is good and no other hardware needed
After watching this I had to pull mine out. These still amaze me. They like a lot of push to make them go, they seem to work best for me with the magni piety amp. This is an awesome pairing. I have an amp that boasts 8 watts output, but the piety blows that amp away as far as output and sonic replay😅
you still know nothing about them without decent tubes
I have the HD650. Wonder if there is actually no difference between HD6XX and HD650.
Hi, great and interesting video, the price currently is $199, I bought mine at the price recently, it did used to be made in Ireland mine was made in Romania and you get a 1.8m cable , its comes in a plain box not the nice hinged box previously and a 3m cable, I have fitted the custom cans mid which Inproves the bass on lower end. I now prefer these ones compared to my hd660 s1. Overall it's a great headphone fir the price , regards mark
I did not mod my 6XX just because I have nothing against the sound, especially with my tube amp they have enough driver control BUT I did order DT880 600 ohm with custom cans mods I cant wait to hear it
Have you tried HD 6XX and HD 600s with ZMF pads?
Incidentally, I’ve acquired the newly released Schitt Mjolnir 3 class A amp and it is amazing. If you get it I’d be curious to see your review of it.
I would also love to review it, and all their other stuff I haven't heard yet. Last I talked to them they said they were suspending sending out review units because they were struggling to keep up with demand. That's made it hard to review pieces of Schiit. Either I have to buy one myself (which I certainly don't have the funds to do regularly) or get a loaner unit from a 3rd party (happens occasionally but not consistently). I can reach out to them again and see if they're in a better position.
I love the mids on these. Curious what has the best mids of every headphone you’ve heard?
Its the HE-1
Do you think the Jds Labs Element II is already enough to push these close to their performance ceiling ?
The Element II works well with these. Not my favorite pairing, but it’s not the fault of the Element II. It has more to do that the 6XX are so much better with my Darkvoice tube amp.
There are many a time I actually preferred the hd650 on a tube amp over the Utopia and the Susvara. Utopia's tone is slightly off compared to hd650, the Susvara is more natural than the Utopia, but Susvara does not have that dense voicing of the hd650. Of course there are things the Utopia and Susvara does better, but the hd650 is nothing to scoff at when plugged into an appropriate chain. It can hang with the big boys all day and then some.
6XX are like that ex that you thought you didn't like yet you want her back.
Thats what is just happened to me.. But i got the hd 650 becouse i like a loooot more the colour and dont look cheap like the 6xx..
so true
Yea, I traded my HD600 and a couple of month later I'm looking at buying an HD6XX/HD650. I just miss those brain tickling mids.
I did same mistake sold my beauty 600 old division, later on I bought 6XX at least also old version midnight blue made in ireland, no doubt there are headphones so specific that we will miss them no matter what
Nah, its bass is mushy, overly warm, and has very poor extention for me to own. Effectively, sennheiser saw all the subjective problems of the 600 like its poor, left front right imaging making everything sound too closed in, and instead of making a better headphone, they just put a vail over it so it wasnt as intense. Its still the best tuned warm headphone in existence if thats what you want, but it has way too many problems to be universal. Its a headphone for people that think they listen to a wide genre of music, but actually don't come near that description.
Sold my 6xx and got sundara...the 6xx sound to me was thin and narrow.. Lack of body.. With sundara a looot more happens.. But i don t use a tube amp but. Fiio k9 pro..
@@TheMaurob1979thin? Maybe because it has no subbass, but its midbass is too thick. It has a elevation for which is uncontrolled. The sundara doesn't have the best tuning, but its far more universal than the hd series.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez i really think the sundara is way superior
What are you amping 6xx with?
@@blejzerosamigos6115 was a cheqp fiio k5 pro ess maybe thats why.. I have fiio k9 now but not the 6xx anymore
I thoroughly hate the HD6XX, HD650, and HD600. I don't think they are even remotely capable in general, let alone some kind of miracle with mids. They have good midrange timbre but not tuning. That is literally it. Nothing else. Couple that with the veil they have, total lack of bass, total lack of detail, total lack of soundstage width height and depth, total lack of any convincing imaging and what you have at the end is a whole bad headphone that does almost nothing right. Their hype is the most overblown hype in the history of audio and it will never be eclipsed by anything else ever again because it was a total anomaly that it got so much praise in the first place.
yea and I bet you have total lack of amp to drive them
@@soulfulfool No, they're just not good. Currently on a 2023 Burson Soloist 3x GT with full opamp swap (Sparkos SS2590 duals in the voltage gain and volume stage, Sonic Imagery Labs 994 duals in the input buffer), SP-02 power modules, and 5a Supercharger. DAC is a Rockna Wavedream Signature Balanced fed I2S by a Holo Red. Tubes don't fix them, they just aren't good.
@@pokrog why do you even try? that gear is worth so much money that you should be able to get top headphones, 6XX is only for mid range tubes do make them better but they never will be correct sounding highs and lows are lacking
@@soulfulfool And that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they should compete with the TOTL end of the market, but I am saying that praising them like they're the greatest entry level headphone and acting like they're impossible to hate is just thoroughly braindead. I personally actually do think they kinda sound like shit even at their price point and even with EQ or tubes, their technicalities are honestly extremely lacking, especially the way the market is nowadays. They can't slam with any authority even with EQ, they can't stage, they image like trash, they have too forward mids, lack detail and treble extension, and have a pretty thick veil in the mids that obscures a lot of texture and detail and while the mids timbre might be very decent, the tuning and veil definitely makes them come off as almost honky and hazy. I totally get why people like them, but I really really don't think they're anything special at all and certainly don't deserve to be a default recommendation, especially when they're downright bad on entry level signal chains which kinda excludes them from entry level hobbyists. I understand their place in the hobby and I do agree that if you're deep into the hobby and are trying to find your perfect headphones that you should probably own and keep the HD6XX for comparisons and direction when reading/watching reviews so you can get a really good idea of the comparisons since they're so common, but to me, that's basically their sole purpose anymore.
@@pokrog yes I agree, those and any of high impedance headphones are not for amateurs without decent gear but if you notice what mainstream users do like which is mostly bass you got there obvious answer 😅 they dont care about details or bass texture, layering etc with headphones veiled like that they never gonna know that details exist in their songs haha but also like I said they dont care
Do not listen to this. I have tried these and they are so mid. These headphones are so boring you will listen to it once then never again. Save your money
You mean the 6xx are boring?
Mid chain+hd650 = mid sound, high tier chain+hd650= glorious.
@@johenkay1129 obviously he know nothing and his amp is garbage