@@teaguejelinek4038 I'm working on a realistic map of America (north and south( also including neighbouring regions like Africa, western Europe and the Far East... in case you want to have an epic war between the Aztecs and Incas or something like that. I hope the lag won't be an impossible problem though. I've never done a map of this size before. I did other maps you can see in much channel such as Eurasia, Europe and the ancient world for the original Age of Empires.
@@user-xg5dw2gm8f it's not correct. Hero character models are mostly the same for each hero as a regular troop (just differing in stats and photo and name and regeneration). Example, King Arthur and Champion troops in the game are the same model which could mislead the real height of the hero.
I like to scale to the buildings rather than the infantry, Command & Conquer Renegade seems to have the scale of each building at 10 meters per RTS game tile, and I like that scaling for AOE as well, though translating that into buildings in something like say, Conan Exiles results in some rather large buildings so maybe 5 meters per tile is more reasonable for a medieval setting. That is if the "Meters" in Renegade X are accurate, I know some games have fake meters to make the game world seem larger than it is, Arkham Knight being the worst offender claiming the Keaton/Burton Batmobile is something like 22 meters long (When in reality it's only 6.62 meters or around 20 feet, maybe they got feet and meters mixed up.)
"A host that sets the map size higher than recommend is usually interpreted online as a newer player that doesn't want to get rushed." Me with 4 hours total on the game: Hey that's me!
I did giant realistic maps: Eurasia, Europe, The Far East, The world, The northern Pacific Ocean, the ancient world... and am working on a ludicrous map size for all of América (though Alaska had to be cut off for the greater good). In my channel they can be found.
Its a shame you haven't had your big break with subs and viewers yet , you deserve so much more . Original quality content , love your channel , keep it up , and best of luck !
He is at the limits of what you can achieve just by doing AoE videos right now. Look at Zeroempires, he has been making AoE videos for 6 years and he still has about 90k subs just like SotL. After the definitive edition and AoE4 come out there will be a new wave of subscribers.
Pack Guar True, I have wondered how far he can go. I like his videos, but with AoE 2, there is only so much you can make videos about. If he starts doing videos on the new AoE versions upcoming, then that would add a boost to his views and subscribers, if he doesn't start making videos on the new versions after they come out, I don't see him getting much growth.
He's going to be at the top of the search results when Age of Empires 4 comes out, if it's a good game that is. He'll have an explosion of subs. If he were smart he could be making an Age of Empires 4 titled video every week, like "What I hope will be in Age of Empires 4" or "Age of Empires 4 leaked *somethingorother* " to get right up there in the recommendations.
I Have a Question regarding the Map-Sizes. I can understand that the performance between the Mapsizes decreases every time they go larger, but why is the LudaKris mapsize so much of a Problem? I see that the Computer has to process the additional information and the animation for Fish gets surprisingly intensive, but is it still lagging when you play it on a really beefy PC? And at all is the lagg-Problem only online or is it also a problem in offline Gameplay? Since you sped up the "15 minute-stroll" of the Villiager i cant quite tell if it was online or offline, and the other clips look like they a online-matches... tl;dr: is LudaKris a problem on beefy Computer and consists the lagg On- or Offline (even with Beefy PC and Internet connection)?
I haven't tried it on my PC (it isn't even beefy, so that'S a moot point anyway) but from what I've heard, they did very little to the game engine for the HD release and it's actually the game that has problems with the workload, and not the PC.
Grummsborith1992 The Game is poorly optimized. After all it's like 20 years old. And when HD came out on Steam, they had basically released it as is. With a shitty engine that hardly works.
I would think the announcement of AOE4 will drive up traffic to his channel and adding lots of new vids is a great way to take advantage of that so its a good move and I for one am happy for it :)
I love how Spirit of the Law makes videos about topics I've never thought about or are particularly interested in and then makes me very interested in them.
Do most gamers today even know what a game manual is anymore with the internet now? Lol. I don’t think developers would include those Warning pages in their game cases if it wasn’t required by law.
@@Dark_Mishra it would be more for the nostalgia effect. I remember playing age of king as a kid with the collector edition and reading the incredibly detailed instruction manual. It was so great and I still have it
I like to think that everything in the game is a representative size. Meaning that one villager is like a group of villagers in real life, one militia is like a group of militia etc.
The map size could be calculated using the time in years (like the wonder victory counter) a villager takes to cross it and comparing with medieval travels times
This is exactly how I think of it as well, each building or unit is representative of a group. Houses are small communities, a ship is a platoon and so on
Yes, a LudaKRIS map allows people more time at the beginning to prepare, but it also leads to longer battles due to there being more resources per player or bigger battles if you set the population limit higher. In most games I try to play on the biggest map I can since that allows for more complex games.
Hey Spirit, interesting fact for you as well; verified both on AoC and the newer HD released games. Generating a map on tiny with 6 and more players will equal a map with no stone or gold, or at the very most only a scant single pile for whatever reason. This is especially prevalent on the Nomad map, of which I used mostly for a specific type of gameplay where I'd get as many players as I could, play on Nomad tiny 8 players and then have a unique gameplay experience of advancing through the ages, fighting and all that without gold or stone, the only method on obtaining gold and stone being through the market and trade.
Re trade: the other reason you want to spread out your trade is that longer routes mean less bumping of trade carts as you lower the trade cart density, and as a trade route becomes crowded this rapidly becomes the dominating factor in trade income reduction.
Thanks alot for this large video spirit. There was no small effort put into this and every tiny details was looked into. As a normal player this should help me getting into these medium games. Youve been a giant help and deserves a ludiKRIS amount of subsribers
I actually live in Future-land (New Zealand) so I actually get to see everything a day before it happens, so that's why I posted a comment 21 hours before you saw the video.
I'm actually laughing at how much effort you put into the scales and angles of the map and research to get the villager height and map size in meters. Respect
People often don't realize that our world is ridiculously big, and in terms of games or stories, it would be boring if they weren't so close to each other.
True. The world might look like real time strategy, but in actuality it's turn based strategy. A 5-10 min delay counts for nothing except for emergency situations.
Hi, Spiritofthelaw. I've noticed that is quite common to see 1v1 games with mirror civs. Therefore, this could be an interesting topic: which civilization would be the best against itself. Thanks for another great video. See you soon!
Just this video to my Internet Bookmarks! I am very interested in how big world maps in Video Games, like Age of Empires for example, are in real life. I always enjoyed a game of Age of Empires when I was a kid. Thanks for making this video about different map sizes and their size in real life !
This is a great vid! Thank you very much SOTL :D Like always, very interesting AoE Maths and it´s really good to know that the amount of resources scale with the map size!!!
You should look at the Budapest map in the expansions because it gives so many extra resources. There can be a section of over 40 gold and stone mines in a small area forming a almost impenetrable wall.
I'm anxious for the Malay civ overview man! Of course you have it ready! You dont? I will find you....No seriously love your vids keep it up please keep it up (unless you are not planning on doing a Malay civ overview, in that case, lock the doors at night)
The thing is, ive always wondered this. 0.0. Thank you Spirit, Im always stunned with your videos being so damn useful xDD Hope to see more g8 content in the future.
One thing you forgot to mention in terms of trade gold production is trade cart density. While I don't know peak density efficiency it makes sense that having 50 trade carts competing in a small trade route would have lower efficiency than 50 spread out over a long one. This ought to boost the efficiency per tile if you start to look at the maximum efficient density. Though this would require some heavy maths to do with mean free path.
I played with a guy who always host ludikris crater lake 1v1 before, always lost. Then after watching this video, I came to know that ludikris is not infinitely bigger :p. it gave me lots of heart and was able to win. thanks!
I also seem to notice map generation aspects scale with the size, Mongolia's cliffs and trees seem further apart on larger sizes etc., it'd be cool to have a density setting.
I played Nomad on LudaKRIS once... I took me forever to get my vils together... And the worst part, is that all the players got crumbled in the same part of the map...
Great videos man id love to see something about the formations of the troops like square for when u have rams/magonels and even how the stances work if theres anymore to it :
I enjoy ludicrous maps, because it allows for some more unusual gameplay. I also don't like being rushed by bots and players alike, even though I can often manage it. Fun is when your ally is under attack and you know he will be for a while, you send an army and it arrives 5 minutes later, saving his ass, meanwhile he already began to build a new settlement elsewhere. Also it's fun to stay in the game for the entire evening before you beat your opponents.
There's nothing more exhilarating than 1v1 Vikings only Black Forest Ludakris. No joke, every time I do a random black forest map, 1v1 or 1v1v1, each player sorta has their chunk of map, surrounded by forest, with only 1 (1v1) or 3 (1v1v1) small pathways connecting them. When used on Ludakris, it can make for some really great and long battles. Rush for the path to take hold and wall it off (use Fatslob's technique to piss off your opponents), and then work fast to get as much resource prod, to ensure when the war comes, you can have a steady flow of troops. Good times.
Like how you are making a lot more videos now, quick question for you though. Where did you get that BA theme song? Been watching for 2 years now and that theme song brightens my day.
Hello Spirit, great video as always! Perhaps you could do a video on how map size affects relic/wonder victory time? Or how it affects the amount of gold generated by garrisoned relics (if it does)? Just a suggestion :)
relic/wonder victory time: it´s always 200 years. the tech atheism can double it though not sure about the relic gold generation but my guess would be that it isn´t affected by the map size either.
There are also unofficial very small map sizes about 20 x 20 tiles or 60 x 60 tiles. For the LUDIKris map size, I think the york forgotten scenario uses that size and becomes very laggy since it has a huge amount of resources (getting stone to build lots of castles is not hard and getting the 50000 gold needed to win (multiple methods of victory) is an easy victory.) Those unofficial very small map sizes are crazy since a tower or a castle or trebuchet can reach the part of the map or the whole map.
hbarudi Found York to be quite a pain, since I went for the Wonder victory. Took me about 4 hours on Hard (dunno if it's too different on other difficulties).
For york, if you are having trouble protecting yourself from enemy waves of attackers, try to start the scenario on the island in the middle of the map where you can get benefits such as free castle, and that they would need a transport ship to get you or try an easier difficulty than hard. If it was difficult, otherwise if you are for the challenge, go for the island anyway so you can place your wonder there.
I wouldn't say I had a problem defending myself, but rather in razing York to build my Wonder (it is to be built on their wonder's place), since you have 4 armies funneling in on that spot, being matched at least 2 to 1 all times. And their armies form quite a diverse force to fight.
8:18 i didnt spect my map was going to appear on this video, thanks, i know has poor performance in single player mode, but in multiplayer mode works normal, ive tested ludikris size with 8 computers and had decent fps
Spirit Of The Law i reduced the economy of the map and fish already, perfromance increased 15% still laggy because of the bots, but i tried another multiplayer and my fps are arround 130 fps on my pc and laptops 40 fps
You should do a video on why 2017 computers that are much more powerful than the ones when AoE II originally came out have to worry about lag on LudaKRIS size...
7:35 This would seem to imply that the trade formula is based not simply on the absolute distance between the markets but also at least partially on the porportion of the map that the trade route covers. I wonder if this knowledge could be used to refine the formula you calculated long ago in your first video on trade into something more pleasing (I remember you coming up with some weird number that didn't seem to come from anywhere in particular and maybe this is why).
what's the size of the male villager in pixels? just the image, not the bounding box of the sprite? I think , the unit is 34 pixels , but the total is 36 pixels for the tile sheet?
Ludikris maps with AI lag significantly more than ones with only players. This is something I've noticed testing my ludikris maps. An update a while ago made them a lot more playable.
hey spirit good job on this video, why not do one on trade and how many trade carts should we make on different sizes of maps to get the better resources.
Could you do a video about the Malay infinite fish traps? You talked about generic fish traps 2 and 3 years ago, but the Malay have since come out with their infinite fish traps. These have the bonus, not only of being approximately the same price as farms, and not only of lower maintenance without having to reseed them, but also give a much greater return on your wood expense ratio. Of course there's the drawback of fishing ships being more vulnerable to naval raids than villagers are to land raids, but they could be a fair choice for mid-game food production once you have a decent control of the water.
Can you do a video on rams? Rams against walls or building early game. the bonus of upgrading them and how much masonary defends against them. I would love to know how much the splash damage is, and more importantly how much time I have to muster up my men to go slice them up before they break through
Hei spirit, did you ever considering giving AOM a shot? It would give you more content to work on for your videos, and i for one would love to watch them
I like the idea of the ludikris map size for my semi-roleplaying, very noobish-skill games. Is there really now way to make games run smoothly aside from cutting down on the number of animals?
damn man, i tried a LudiKRIS map once...made a water worl map full of islands...with a nomad theme ish thing...man, i failed miserably, so much lag...and the more population the worse...ughm wish they uphgraded the engine a little so we can play those humungous maps...would be awesome
I finished my ludicrous map which I did a video exhibiting. "COLOSSAL REALISTIC AMÉRICA & ÁFRICA MAP for Age of Empires 2 HD " While creating the map, I tested it for lag, and it had no problems up until almost finishing it, when it would lag every other breath. But I got rid of half of the fish in the oceans of the entire western hemisphere and then some... and that did the trick. But then I tested it again, and there was a point where lag would begin about ten minutes into the game. So I looked for the problem, and it was that the computer was so stupid it trapped a villager by making them create a dock that got in their way. Since then, I tested it further with 8 civilizations around the huge map, and there is no more lag except like 1 hiccup an hour. Online lag would probably be more common.
Ah, but at a certain point, trade density becomes limited not by *travel distance* but by *TRAFFIC.* A very long trade route can support more trade cogs and trade carts over a longer route before congestion causes diminishing returns and eventually actually makes a hard cap on the trade output of the route. More markets more trade but the positioning of this trade route eventually becomes suboptimal.
on my laptop screen the map is much more zoomed in and I have scroll around a lot. how do I zoom out so that I can fit more map? Does it have anything to do with graphic card? Do I have to upgrade something? I'm using a 5year old normal browsing laptop.
I want to zoom out/change the resolution, i see your videos have a more zoomed out view. I can't seem to do it in mine. Can anyone help me with a way to zoom out?
hi Spirit. Love your videos. Do you remember the pc game AMERICA? It was almost a clone of AoE2 and the far west theme made it my favourite game. Sadly the IA was very poor but since you like AoE2 so much (as we all do) you might take a look at it. Since it was so long ago I can't remember the year but I'm positive it was around 2k. If you happen to find an improved version of it please let me know where to get it. Thanks.
Hey spirit, can you make a video about the malay Harbors and how they stack up against towers and castles, given it only costs 150 wood? If you need more ideas, a video about siege towers and their usefulness would be nice, because I don't see them used often.
I'm imagining one of those all-forest maps on ludaKRIS size.
"It's been two hours... Still no sign of life, friend or foe."
"Day 23. Today a lumberjack was attacked by a wolf he himself freed from it's tree prison. It was the most exciting thing that has happened yet"
If a tree falls in the forest, does it still make a sound? Idk! This forest is too dang large!
Lol those games are really entertaining
Lol I feel like those maps are for the hardcore rpg types playing like it's dungeons and dragons
@@teaguejelinek4038 I'm working on a realistic map of America (north and south( also including neighbouring regions like Africa, western Europe and the Far East... in case you want to have an epic war between the Aztecs and Incas or something like that. I hope the lag won't be an impossible problem though. I've never done a map of this size before. I did other maps you can see in much channel such as Eurasia, Europe and the ancient world for the original Age of Empires.
The villager length math and the fact you actually looked up papers on historical human lengths honestly made me chuckle. Great vid, thanks!
He should have just used the height of one of the heroes tho
@@user-xg5dw2gm8f it's not correct. Hero character models are mostly the same for each hero as a regular troop (just differing in stats and photo and name and regeneration). Example, King Arthur and Champion troops in the game are the same model which could mislead the real height of the hero.
@@adityaisgreat21 well say Joan the maid
I like to scale to the buildings rather than the infantry, Command & Conquer Renegade seems to have the scale of each building at 10 meters per RTS game tile, and I like that scaling for AOE as well, though translating that into buildings in something like say, Conan Exiles results in some rather large buildings so maybe 5 meters per tile is more reasonable for a medieval setting.
That is if the "Meters" in Renegade X are accurate, I know some games have fake meters to make the game world seem larger than it is, Arkham Knight being the worst offender claiming the Keaton/Burton Batmobile is something like 22 meters long (When in reality it's only 6.62 meters or around 20 feet, maybe they got feet and meters mixed up.)
You deserve a medal just for the fact that you reported the measurement in kilometers and miles. Splendid!
Got it wrong though.
"A host that sets the map size higher than recommend is usually interpreted online as a newer player that doesn't want to get rushed."
Me with 4 hours total on the game: Hey that's me!
"HaHa, das me!"
I did giant realistic maps: Eurasia, Europe, The Far East, The world, The northern Pacific Ocean, the ancient world... and am working on a ludicrous map size for all of América (though Alaska had to be cut off for the greater good). In my channel they can be found.
Its a shame you haven't had your big break with subs and viewers yet , you deserve so much more . Original quality content , love your channel , keep it up , and best of luck !
Tarek Naamani It is not really about how many subs you have or how many views. As long as you have fun
hope he gets after the new age of empire, for that to happen AOE4 has to be big!!!
He is at the limits of what you can achieve just by doing AoE videos right now. Look at Zeroempires, he has been making AoE videos for 6 years and he still has about 90k subs just like SotL. After the definitive edition and AoE4 come out there will be a new wave of subscribers.
Pack Guar True, I have wondered how far he can go. I like his videos, but with AoE 2, there is only so much you can make videos about. If he starts doing videos on the new AoE versions upcoming, then that would add a boost to his views and subscribers, if he doesn't start making videos on the new versions after they come out, I don't see him getting much growth.
He's going to be at the top of the search results when Age of Empires 4 comes out, if it's a good game that is.
He'll have an explosion of subs.
If he were smart he could be making an Age of Empires 4 titled video every week, like "What I hope will be in Age of Empires 4" or "Age of Empires 4 leaked *somethingorother* " to get right up there in the recommendations.
Was watching Game Of Thrones finale when suddenly wild new Sprit Of The Law video appeared. Game Of Thrones will have to wait.
**Pokemon music intensifies**
I Have a Question regarding the Map-Sizes.
I can understand that the performance between the Mapsizes decreases every time they go larger, but why is the LudaKris mapsize so much of a Problem? I see that the Computer has to process the additional information and the animation for Fish gets surprisingly intensive, but is it still lagging when you play it on a really beefy PC? And at all is the lagg-Problem only online or is it also a problem in offline Gameplay? Since you sped up the "15 minute-stroll" of the Villiager i cant quite tell if it was online or offline, and the other clips look like they a online-matches...
tl;dr: is LudaKris a problem on beefy Computer and consists the lagg On- or Offline (even with Beefy PC and Internet connection)?
I haven't tried it on my PC (it isn't even beefy, so that'S a moot point anyway) but from what I've heard, they did very little to the game engine for the HD release and it's actually the game that has problems with the workload, and not the PC.
Grummsborith1992
The Game is poorly optimized. After all it's like 20 years old. And when HD came out on Steam, they had basically released it as is. With a shitty engine that hardly works.
8 videos in under a month? :O
Yah! Honestly, that's a record! I didn't know Spirit of the Law can upload this fast!
I think he realized he can make some money from this, and It's not just a hobby anymore.
I would think the announcement of AOE4 will drive up traffic to his channel and adding lots of new vids is a great way to take advantage of that so its a good move and I for one am happy for it :)
I'm afraid he lost his job (?)
Catasstrophy Sure, the spooky skeleton meme was good at first, but like many other memes, it got run into the ground too soon. It's not good at all.
I love how Spirit of the Law makes videos about topics I've never thought about or are particularly interested in and then makes me very interested in them.
Microsoft must contract you to develop AOE4, or at least write the manual.
Gibran Henrique de Souza Microsoft, please don't! We don't want a 200 pages long manual ;)
It will be the AOE Encyclopedia in ten volumes!
It will be a multiple book serie longer than Wheel Of Time
Do most gamers today even know what a game manual is anymore with the internet now? Lol. I don’t think developers would include those Warning pages in their game cases if it wasn’t required by law.
@@Dark_Mishra it would be more for the nostalgia effect. I remember playing age of king as a kid with the collector edition and reading the incredibly detailed instruction manual. It was so great and I still have it
I like to think that everything in the game is a representative size.
Meaning that one villager is like a group of villagers in real life, one militia is like a group of militia etc.
How does that explain Regicide and Kings? If everything is representative size, then we have a group of kings.
Could be the king with his family and court.
The map size could be calculated using the time in years (like the wonder victory counter) a villager takes to cross it and comparing with medieval travels times
This is exactly how I think of it as well, each building or unit is representative of a group. Houses are small communities, a ship is a platoon and so on
Interesting idea! That's why night/day cycles have no sense since the time is counted by years.
4:10 Song's name?
Simple Pleasantries
Darude Sandstorm
Yes, a LudaKRIS map allows people more time at the beginning to prepare, but it also leads to longer battles due to there being more resources per player or bigger battles if you set the population limit higher. In most games I try to play on the biggest map I can since that allows for more complex games.
Hey Spirit, interesting fact for you as well; verified both on AoC and the newer HD released games.
Generating a map on tiny with 6 and more players will equal a map with no stone or gold, or at the very most only a scant single pile for whatever reason. This is especially prevalent on the Nomad map, of which I used mostly for a specific type of gameplay where I'd get as many players as I could, play on Nomad tiny 8 players and then have a unique gameplay experience of advancing through the ages, fighting and all that without gold or stone, the only method on obtaining gold and stone being through the market and trade.
Re trade: the other reason you want to spread out your trade is that longer routes mean less bumping of trade carts as you lower the trade cart density, and as a trade route becomes crowded this rapidly becomes the dominating factor in trade income reduction.
The attention to detail is incredible. Your videos never fail to impress.
Thanks alot for this large video spirit. There was no small effort put into this and every tiny details was looked into. As a normal player this should help me getting into these medium games. Youve been a giant help and deserves a ludiKRIS amount of subsribers
Whoo, pixel maths.
Harry hth did you post 21 hrs ago
Gianluca Borg idk
Patreons get to watch vids a bit earlier
Patreon perks bruh.
I actually live in Future-land (New Zealand) so I actually get to see everything a day before it happens, so that's why I posted a comment 21 hours before you saw the video.
I'm actually laughing at how much effort you put into the scales and angles of the map and research to get the villager height and map size in meters. Respect
People often don't realize that our world is ridiculously big, and in terms of games or stories, it would be boring if they weren't so close to each other.
True. The world might look like real time strategy, but in actuality it's turn based strategy. A 5-10 min delay counts for nothing except for emergency situations.
So many upload this past month!
Keep up the good work Sotl
Hi, Spiritofthelaw. I've noticed that is quite common to see 1v1 games with mirror civs. Therefore, this could be an interesting topic: which civilization would be the best against itself. Thanks for another great video. See you soon!
Size mattered - SoTL 2k17
Victor Khan haha, penis jokes
Just this video to my Internet Bookmarks! I am very interested in how big world maps in Video Games, like Age of Empires for example, are in real life. I always enjoyed a game of Age of Empires when I was a kid. Thanks for making this video about different map sizes and their size in real life !
This is a great vid! Thank you very much SOTL :D
Like always, very interesting AoE Maths and it´s really good to know that the amount of resources scale with the map size!!!
I love your intro music. Very catchy and well performed.
You should look at the Budapest map in the expansions because it gives so many extra resources. There can be a section of over 40 gold and stone mines in a small area forming a almost impenetrable wall.
I'm anxious for the Malay civ overview man! Of course you have it ready! You dont? I will find you....No seriously love your vids keep it up please keep it up (unless you are not planning on doing a Malay civ overview, in that case, lock the doors at night)
Spirit I just love how you can keep on making amazing interesting videos
The thing is, ive always wondered this. 0.0. Thank you Spirit, Im always stunned with your videos being so damn useful xDD
Hope to see more g8 content in the future.
Always a good day when spirit uploads
Have you ever considered rebranding as Age of Mathology?
That's the wrong franchise though.
Sreenivas Kandhade how about Math of Empires
Eh, close enough. Pretty much a reskin anyway
Ooh that's gonna upset a few people.
Hey don't get me wrong. I played it, loved it. Doesn't mean AoM wasn't AoK with an interesting tweak and a reskin to the game
3:20 man, I would be so tired out, if I had to calculate all these smaller factors.
One thing you forgot to mention in terms of trade gold production is trade cart density. While I don't know peak density efficiency it makes sense that having 50 trade carts competing in a small trade route would have lower efficiency than 50 spread out over a long one. This ought to boost the efficiency per tile if you start to look at the maximum efficient density. Though this would require some heavy maths to do with mean free path.
God damn it. Always sends me late notifications!
To mesure map size, you could also use the regular walking speed in meters/ per second and mutiplier it by the time it takes to transverse the map.
Yeah, but you would have to remove all obstacles to make that experiment work.
Love the old intro back :)
Microsoft should grant you an honorary MSc degree on Age of Empires for all your videos. They are very interesting! Congrats!
What a deep and detailed analysis here. You should have got a doctoral degree on this.
Nice video. I like the details you've put in!
I played with a guy who always host ludikris crater lake 1v1 before, always lost. Then after watching this video, I came to know that ludikris is not infinitely bigger :p. it gave me lots of heart and was able to win. thanks!
Whenever I hear about the LudiKRIS map, all I can think of is the York scenario in the Forgotten Empires campaigns. What an epic level.
That map deserves to be made as a multiplayer one.
Hello from Romania! :D
Sunt român și eu!
I also seem to notice map generation aspects scale with the size, Mongolia's cliffs and trees seem further apart on larger sizes etc., it'd be cool to have a density setting.
I played Nomad on LudaKRIS once...
I took me forever to get my vils together...
And the worst part, is that all the players got crumbled in the same part of the map...
Your videos are awesome and very useful. Greetings from South America.
Great videos man id love to see something about the formations of the troops like square for when u have rams/magonels and even how the stances work if theres anymore to it :
I did a 500 pop LudiKRIS on Black Forest.
The jank was remarkable. Highly recommend
Giant - Mother of the maps
LudaKRIS - Father of the maps
Came for AoE2. Stayed for maths and facts that might improve my game performance.
Finally, now we can get to what we've always wanted: recreating aoe with real people.
I enjoy ludicrous maps, because it allows for some more unusual gameplay. I also don't like being rushed by bots and players alike, even though I can often manage it. Fun is when your ally is under attack and you know he will be for a while, you send an army and it arrives 5 minutes later, saving his ass, meanwhile he already began to build a new settlement elsewhere. Also it's fun to stay in the game for the entire evening before you beat your opponents.
I am a draftsman and I approve of this video.
I love how you do all the math. Thank you.
The description has a typo, 4:48 Villager *walking speed. It says talking speed lol
There's nothing more exhilarating than 1v1 Vikings only Black Forest Ludakris.
No joke, every time I do a random black forest map, 1v1 or 1v1v1, each player sorta has their chunk of map, surrounded by forest, with only 1 (1v1) or 3 (1v1v1) small pathways connecting them. When used on Ludakris, it can make for some really great and long battles. Rush for the path to take hold and wall it off (use Fatslob's technique to piss off your opponents), and then work fast to get as much resource prod, to ensure when the war comes, you can have a steady flow of troops.
Good times.
Silly and random question but is it possible to convert a giant size map to ludakris? Like having the scale it up?
Like how you are making a lot more videos now, quick question for you though. Where did you get that BA theme song? Been watching for 2 years now and that theme song brightens my day.
Hello Spirit, great video as always! Perhaps you could do a video on how map size affects relic/wonder victory time? Or how it affects the amount of gold generated by garrisoned relics (if it does)? Just a suggestion :)
relic/wonder victory time:
it´s always 200 years.
the tech atheism can double it though
not sure about the relic gold generation but my guess would be that it isn´t affected by the map size either.
I see. Thanks!
almost 100.000 subs!! Good to see how you are growing over time!
Are we going to get a special for 100k?
I thought we all played RTS games so we could actually secretly indulge our TBS cravings....
jodudeit what does TBS stands for?
Turn Based Strategy
Arfor Afro It seems very obvious now. Thanks, english is my second language
Dude. Ur a god. This video is awesome.
1:11 if tiny is two times smaller than giant, shouldn't walking time be two times shorter too?
There are also unofficial very small map sizes about 20 x 20 tiles or 60 x 60 tiles.
For the LUDIKris map size, I think the york forgotten scenario uses that size and becomes very laggy since it has a huge amount of resources (getting stone to build lots of castles is not hard and getting the 50000 gold needed to win (multiple methods of victory) is an easy victory.)
Those unofficial very small map sizes are crazy since a tower or a castle or trebuchet can reach the part of the map or the whole map.
hbarudi Found York to be quite a pain, since I went for the Wonder victory. Took me about 4 hours on Hard (dunno if it's too different on other difficulties).
For york, if you are having trouble protecting yourself from enemy waves of attackers, try to start the scenario on the island in the middle of the map where you can get benefits such as free castle, and that they would need a transport ship to get you or try an easier difficulty than hard. If it was difficult, otherwise if you are for the challenge, go for the island anyway so you can place your wonder there.
I wouldn't say I had a problem defending myself, but rather in razing York to build my Wonder (it is to be built on their wonder's place), since you have 4 armies funneling in on that spot, being matched at least 2 to 1 all times. And their armies form quite a diverse force to fight.
Dude, you make me love math even more.
So the stereotype about Indians and math is real.... And I'm a Hispanic who loves beans.
8:18 i didnt spect my map was going to appear on this video, thanks, i know has poor performance in single player mode, but in multiplayer mode works normal, ive tested ludikris size with 8 computers and had decent fps
any way, im going to work on performance
It's a cool map - I haven't tried it multiplayer yet, and I'm glad to hear it works better. The dolphins blew my mind.
Spirit Of The Law i reduced the economy of the map and fish already, perfromance increased 15% still laggy because of the bots, but i tried another multiplayer and my fps are arround 130 fps on my pc and laptops 40 fps
Would any ancient main/capital city fit entirely inside a ludakris map?
Spirit level with me , did you think of the "does size matter?" joke then made a video around it ?
guess whos channel is going to blow up once age is getting bigger. Make sure to research age 1 and 3 as well
This video is fantastic. Thank you.
so many videos, this is great (but no road to 1800 part 4 yet)
Hey guys, Spirit of Bob Ross here...
9:10 "It's adorable". Sounds like Ryan Reynolds. Deadpool plays Age of Empires!
You should do a video on why 2017 computers that are much more powerful than the ones when AoE II originally came out have to worry about lag on LudaKRIS size...
7:35 This would seem to imply that the trade formula is based not simply on the absolute distance between the markets but also at least partially on the porportion of the map that the trade route covers. I wonder if this knowledge could be used to refine the formula you calculated long ago in your first video on trade into something more pleasing (I remember you coming up with some weird number that didn't seem to come from anywhere in particular and maybe this is why).
what's the size of the male villager in pixels? just the image, not the bounding box of the sprite? I think , the unit is 34 pixels , but the total is 36 pixels for the tile sheet?
Ludikris maps with AI lag significantly more than ones with only players. This is something I've noticed testing my ludikris maps.
An update a while ago made them a lot more playable.
Next video can you do "things that cause lag" in game?
hey spirit good job on this video, why not do one on trade and how many trade carts should we make on different sizes of maps to get the better resources.
"Does size matter?" Omg Spirit
can you do a best comparison for skirmishers like you did for camels?
can you do some aoe 1 civ overviews, been playing it a lot lately and wondered what all the civ bonuses and tech trees are?
Could you do a video about the Malay infinite fish traps? You talked about generic fish traps 2 and 3 years ago, but the Malay have since come out with their infinite fish traps. These have the bonus, not only of being approximately the same price as farms, and not only of lower maintenance without having to reseed them, but also give a much greater return on your wood expense ratio. Of course there's the drawback of fishing ships being more vulnerable to naval raids than villagers are to land raids, but they could be a fair choice for mid-game food production once you have a decent control of the water.
Not going to lie, that particular bonus of the Malay sounds completely OP on small personal lakes.
when new age of empires drop your channel will probably grow pretty well
spirit do you think that you can go over the sound files for map creators and there are none anywhere
Can you do a video on rams? Rams against walls or building early game. the bonus of upgrading them and how much masonary defends against them. I would love to know how much the splash damage is, and more importantly how much time I have to muster up my men to go slice them up before they break through
Hei spirit, did you ever considering giving AOM a shot? It would give you more content to work on for your videos, and i for one would love to watch them
I like the idea of the ludikris map size for my semi-roleplaying, very noobish-skill games. Is there really now way to make games run smoothly aside from cutting down on the number of animals?
Thank you for info 1:37
damn man, i tried a LudiKRIS map once...made a water worl map full of islands...with a nomad theme ish thing...man, i failed miserably, so much lag...and the more population the worse...ughm wish they uphgraded the engine a little so we can play those humungous maps...would be awesome
I finished my ludicrous map which I did a video exhibiting. "COLOSSAL REALISTIC AMÉRICA & ÁFRICA MAP for Age of Empires 2 HD
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While creating the map, I tested it for lag, and it had no problems up until almost finishing it, when it would lag every other breath. But I got rid of half of the fish in the oceans of the entire western hemisphere and then some... and that did the trick. But then I tested it again, and there was a point where lag would begin about ten minutes into the game. So I looked for the problem, and it was that the computer was so stupid it trapped a villager by making them create a dock that got in their way. Since then, I tested it further with 8 civilizations around the huge map, and there is no more lag except like 1 hiccup an hour. Online lag would probably be more common.
Is it more or are u uploading moreGreat video as always
thanks this helps a lot! subed
Ah, but at a certain point, trade density becomes limited not by *travel distance* but by *TRAFFIC.*
A very long trade route can support more trade cogs and trade carts over a longer route before congestion causes diminishing returns and eventually actually makes a hard cap on the trade output of the route. More markets more trade but the positioning of this trade route eventually becomes suboptimal.
Most especially on maps like blackforest.
These maps are almost as big as my...
Crippling depression
Ruben Dimchev LMAO
...Stamps Collection.
p-p-p-p-P-P-PENIS
your ass?
Talk about relics plz
i love your videos Sp OT law
on my laptop screen the map is much more zoomed in and I have scroll around a lot. how do I zoom out so that I can fit more map? Does it have anything to do with graphic card? Do I have to upgrade something?
I'm using a 5year old normal browsing laptop.
I want to zoom out/change the resolution, i see your videos have a more zoomed out view. I can't seem to do it in mine. Can anyone help me with a way to zoom out?
So does that mean the best kind oh maps are the small ones at high level because they have less trade routes to protect and have easier time rushing?
hi Spirit. Love your videos. Do you remember the pc game AMERICA? It was almost a clone of AoE2 and the far west theme made it my favourite game. Sadly the IA was very poor but since you like AoE2 so much (as we all do) you might take a look at it. Since it was so long ago I can't remember the year but I'm positive it was around 2k. If you happen to find an improved version of it please let me know where to get it. Thanks.
Hey spirit, can you make a video about the malay Harbors and how they stack up against towers and castles, given it only costs 150 wood?
If you need more ideas, a video about siege towers and their usefulness would be nice, because I don't see them used often.