Also, in DOOM AIs are pretty advanced so I think there would be an AI that would handle the gun and the crew would give the final authorization to fire. Perhaps it has quad tracks because it used to be a wheeled vehicle that got turned into a SPG and they replaced the wheels with tracks to reduce ground pressure, since they are fighting a war and I believe losses are high, it would make sense for the UAC to adapt ther vehicles to desperately increase avaiable firepower
That's what I was thinking. Either that or a mobile anti-air (anti-cacodemon?) gun. Which explains the hinged tracks and the low ground clearance. It's similar to the M1 40mm bofors, whose wheels would be retracted when it was set up for firing mode, which would lower the gun and its center of gravity for extra stability.
@@crazeelazee7524 I was actually thinking of 203mm howitzers with tracked self propelled mounts that need separate vehicles to carry their ammo, but ok. Though I have trouble seing this as AA vehicle.
People seem to think the future is more urbanized. But somehow assume that won’t effect vehicle design. Like. The Whole world is a giant city. Let’s build a tank with a 12 foot long barrel too wide to fit an alleyway
Isn't that the problem the US is going through with the Abrams? Great for open fields, but in a more city-like area, it's a lot harder to roll tanks through...
stylesrj not really since well the barrel is not that much of an extension and let's be honest your not going to take a tank into an alleyway... that's just plain idiotic no matter what your using.
I think that it isn’t a “tank” at all. With the way the tanks guns is pointed upwards make it’s a armored mobile artillery platform. Seeing that the gun resembles the bfg 10k it was probably used in a artillery role raining down bfg rounds
the bfg's devastating power comes from the tendrils from the ball of plasma it launches, they only need to fire it over head it doesn't have to drop. its even better that it flies indefinitely.
I'm curious if the cannon is an energy/ plasma weapon if it uses the excess heat to do a pulse wave like the plasma rifle. making the main gun a radiator while also giving the gun more uses.
What I'm thinking is, judging by the technology used on the Ion catapult that was meant as a defense system for UAC's bases on Mars, that the weapon on the tank is indeed a type of Ion Catapult-smaller one, but no less devastating more than likely, and probably enough to fry some demons. Unfortunately though with no visible autoloader, they'd be fucked.
You should do a series where you take old tanks, like the M4 Sherman, T-34, or Tiger II, and modernize them, while trying to keep them loosely recognizeable as their original design.
@@Spookston nice, itd be cool to see some xenos vehicles or more imperium as they range from WWI to hovertanks. Plus there are tons of them so you'll have content for a long time from the imperium alone
@@Spookston if you ever do chaos daemon vehicles you'll have to take into account the warp and how it messes with physics so that things that should collapse under their own weight just don't because warpfuckery. If you take it at face value they'll give you an aneurism
@@gobknobbler3465 If he covers warptech... I mean, we're talking about things that fight like living creatures rather than like vehicles, and die like living creatures rather than like vehicles. If you core a defiler it's not going to die, because it doesn't have a crew to kill or even ammo storage to detonate, but it might bleed out if you shot enough holes in it, maybe. If it doesn't decide to suck the blood from its victims in order to compensate. Or if it doesn't just happen to have infinite blood. You run headfirst into the children's playground issue, where you can always come up with some nonsense as to why it doesn't die no matter what happens to it, as well as why it did die when some nonsense was done to it.
Thank you for making this video, I hope the Dev's can take a look at it and correct the model of this vehicle, btw kind a looks like a artillery piece, great video keep it up.
Spook love your work. Would like to do a video where you design a space fighter equivalent if you were commissioned to design one, that would be awesome 😎👍
@@Spookston Spacedock has good videos on it, but I think it's worth remembering that while the Starfury has great maneuverability, its straightline acceleration will be crap and all those thrusters will require maintenance. That's why I don't think its the best space fighter.
@@Spookston thank you very much, just one advice, the only thing to remember is whatever you design its not gonna move like they portray in the movies, not like a plane because there's no air or gravity. So it will need to thrust towards the direction or maneuver you want it to go.
@@Spookston I saw your video and it was amazing. A small detail. The engine probably runs on argent energy, since dear old Sammy had the only source of it on Earth and using argent weaponry was the whole theme behind ARC.
With that size of gun, I would guess that this isn't an MBT but a mobile artillery pice. That would also explain the track design, the lack of other guns and the thin looking armor.
This looks more like some kind of SPG than a tank, although it doesn't seem like the gun has much elevation. Not that a reclassification would explain or fix any of the issues identified.
The tank's main gun does indeed bear some resemblance to the BFG 10000 (with the same rails along a large barrel and general shape for that section that releases wasted energy on the BFG 10K when it fires), which I believe was a said to be particle cannon centered around the BFG 9000, which was an argent energy launcher. By that logic, it's likely some kind of energy weapon, with the barrel serving to energize and accelerate what it fires. However, that doesn't seem much like a close-range weapon, more like something which sits behind the forward fighting units and hits the bigger targets, particularly the more armored ones like cyber mancubi or tyrants. That would also likely explain the lack of machine guns and smoke/infantry grenade launchers, since it's not meant to be close enough for them to be very useful, especially with friendly troops ahead. I'd think it would have a decent drop on whatever it fires, too, given how its turret is aiming, so even more reason for it to not have as much armor (and weight, making the tracks a _bit_ better) or more direct-fire weapons. Its internals might very well be only the main turret and scarcely enough room for anything else, with how big the thing is, but I could also see it being possible that gun emplacements and maybe even the turret itself could be remotely controlled from another position, if it had any.
0:42 i dont know if it’s because that hole is deeper than it looks but it almost looks as if the tank could use its tracks to stand up turning the tank into a hybrid mech or turret
I like how your critiques are based on fighting demons, rather than conventional forces. Gotta say, I like the idea of archaic designs becoming useful, like multi-turreted tanks.
I think the hinged quad tracks could actually be used to both lower and heighten the tanks ground clearance, kind of like the way you imagine a spider getting up to walk around after resting flat on its belly, it raises its body with its legs to scurry around
Hey man great vid, while you’re channel mainly deals with armoured fighting vehicles and tanks you should consider a video on the Halo Warthog and it’s variants as I’ve seen no channel cover it in as much detail as you could. Thanks for reading keep up the good work
Tbf, if it shot a BFG variant munition, that would be a pretty effective anti-personnel weapon. Those green bolts reaching out to caress dozens of demons lovingly would make up for lack of automated turrets, though having some wouldn have hurt. Also, it looked like there were two view ports, so a possible driver-gunner combo. Another thing you didn't know is that A.I.s besides VEGA did exist. Hayden had the best ones working on developing weapons.
It's either a SPG - Self-propelled gun/artillery or SPAA - Self-propelled anti-air. But the lack of mobility and armor make me think it's a SPAA, the problem is that thing doesn't have a turret, and the gun depression is too low(can't even reach flat 0 degree) so it "maybe" a tank destroyer(?). But considering Hayden designed BFG 10000 to shoot couple cacodemons in the air this explanation make more sense
A game filled with tanks that long forgotten and filled with tanks: Battle Tanks: Global Assault. A bunch of weird tanks... and the Abrams. Tanks include: Goliath Mini Motto Rattler Shredder Flame thrower tank Flippee Rhino Hover tank Abrams M80 demolition tank Hornet Hydra Bulldog
Isn't in the lore there is significant mention of AI running facility defenses as well as manufacturing and logistics, so there is clearly more AI than just the god machine Vega, who was so massive specifically because he was meant to be a god machine with insane calculative powers.
0:23 there is something special about hearing Spookston enter the "berserker" doom slayer mode with death metal playing in the background, yet his voice stays the same
I think it was an anti-air tank. Because you can see when the cacodemons are attacking the base, the turrets are shooting at them. Maybe that’s what this was designed for. Or possibly an artillery tank. As for their power sources, they all use argent energy, as they had the crucible as a generator.
if it uses electric induction motors then those can just be mounted directly into the track assembly, cutting down on complexity otherwise caused by a power transfer shaft, if each of the 4 quad tracks had their own motors it would make the design a lot simpler and more modular, making easy replacement of defective or destroyed parts quick and simple. heat dispersion could also be done on each tracks wheel hub, integrating a heat exchanger and heat sink into the hub assembly could manage heat efficiently while eliminating the need for a centralized cooling system, it does add to the part count but should only marginally increase costs. also quad tracks dont necessarily need to be wide, the Case IH Quad-Trac and the John Deere 9RX both use very narrow quad tracks at factory stock (sure they can be upgraded with wider tracks, but the point is that they can operate just fine without it, and yes these tractors are road legal.), these tractors may not be quite as heavy as a typical MBT but it can be argued that the tank in this video may have been built with materials that are lighter than what we currently have available.
That looks like a mobile artillery piece. You can get around the problem of delivering torque to the drive sproket if the sprockets are directly driven by an electric motor, like on the German VK4501[ Tiger Porsche prototype].
I mean,the overwatch's city wide AI from hl2 was pretty advanced, but her main data base was in the citadel, and after the citadel blew up she reverted to a colder and more robotic functionality, so he isn't wrong about advanced AI.
You keep missing the part of these sort of Quad Tracks that lets the vehicle stand up taller on the track ends to fire over obstacles and duck back down to avoid return fire.
If I were building a electric tank I wouldn't have a centralized engine like you assume, I would have a electric motor in every drive sprocket and maybe even every roadwheel. It'll ensure redundancy and help eliminate the need for cooling. The power pack would then just be a huge battery/generator. It also reduces the complexity of the hinges tracks quite a lot.
Each track seems to have the sprockets field behind armor. Maybe there's an independent engine to each one of the four tracks. just a quiet speculation
I have been playing allot of borderlands 3 and I am playing as Moze and I have all the upgrades that let iron bear just vibe with you outside of it and took a nice long look at it and damn. I see some minor problems with foot and leg size but seriously. Iron bear is a very well designed mech
If it uses electric motors, can't each track section have it's own motor? Therefore rotational force doesn't need to go through the hinge, just electric current.
Great video spook! I actually think 1 man tank in this situation isn't the worst idea as if your tank does get disabled by some demons I doubt the crew would survive anyway do maybe it's to minimize deaths?
The "Mounting points for dozer blades" might actualy be feet. I mean look at that. It has quad tracks and all the tracks have these things at the end. It might actualy be able to flip the tracks 90° and be able to walk like a animal. In my opinion this would make much sense in dooms universe as the there are many opsticals in the doom universe and I can see the tank driveing into stuff that it cant cross.
I don't know if I am right but in my opinion if you have an electrique drive, you could mount the engine in the tracks pod so you would'nt have any probleme with the suspension
have you ever considered the this tank is more akin to modern self propelled artillery made to support the mechs instead of a front line brawling MBT. or maybe it's an more of an assault gun, instead of bunkers busting it kills bigger demons.
It seems it may be using argent energy instead, which could also be used in the weapon akin to the BFG 9k and 10k. As to WHY that would be an obvious risk- Argent energy isn't exactly known to be stable once containment is damaged. Plus, it seems the power cell is literally out in the open with thin armor over itself.
You really need to update your understanding of electrical drive trains. Heavy equipment has been using in-wheel electric motors since not long after the Second World War.
All Porsche tanks had electric transmission, even pre-War ones and if you learn about them from archives and engineering PoV instead of stereotypes, you'd find them better then expected. But yes, most of our heavy industrial equipement is fully electric. And Spook is a bit behind on tech considering that Tesla is about to finish developement of Semi;\ But he also might have an issue with wheeled tanks by not seeing them as tanks or promising designs. Not sure yet.
@@TheArklyte I've been commenting to him about the need to do a wheels Vs tracks video, because I can definitely see tyres becoming a thing on future tanks, as mobility becomes more important.
P.S.: I need to clarify in case someone ends up here and lacks understanding of the topic: Electric tansmission on heavy vehicles is example of electric motors. Semi is an example for capabilities of modern batteries.
@@TheArklyte I also think, that with modern and future systems demanding increasing amounts of power, the ability to have access to the drive power as electricity for a few moments would be very useful, and conversely, the ability to run on battery power for a period, avoiding the heat and noise of an engine, would be useful.
Reminds me of a mobile artillery platform like the M109 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer but for the BFG . It would explain why the vehicle only has one main gun oppose to the somewhat more versatile load out of the mechs.
Honestly, now I want DOOM: Tactics. The "Turn based spinoff" trend seems like it might be coming back (A GoW one is coming soon), so hell, it might actually happen.
In certain media they have it where the mechs are able to Transform into vehicles ether ground or air and in certain cases both so I’d like to ask what would a Transforming mech be used for if at all? and Transformers do count in this discussion.
I wish we had more material on vehicles in the doom universe since the war they are fighting (or were i guess) is so different than other games and universes. We could see some cool ass shit like the aforementioned “machine gun nest on tracks”
*Tank. In Doom* *Right* While having tank to support infantry is very nice, I don't think the condition of Earth's terrain during Hell invasion will be a good place for tank, due to.... well, if you play the game you will understand. Actually, stuff like *powered armor* will be pefect for the kind of war humanity in Doom universe found themselve in. According to what people who played the game tell me, Demon force invade Earth via teleportation ( Sort of like Half Life's Earth fall during 7 Hours War), so there's pretty much no define frontline or rear area to rally. So armor won't be the best idea imo, but infantry, and power armor is perfect for providing direct support firepower. In fact, one of the most important mission the Doomguy are doing during the game, is to kill some kind of priest that holf the key to allow teleportation of Demon force during the invasion. By killing all of them, Demon lost their main advantage, and allowing humanity a breathing space to regroup, rebuild and strike back. ( I actually like it that way. Yes, you are playing a 80s era muscular badass deamon killing machine, but you are just one man against an army. So you are gonna need other support beside your pocket weapon locker.) ;)
Powered armor and exoskeletons are kind of obsolete by that point. Hayden had cyborg commandos at his disposal. Those guys stormed Hell to steal Doomguys sarcophagus and also were capable enough to stop demon invasion on Mars on their own hence why demons made a deal with Olivia Pierce to kill them with Hayden's killswitch in the first place. All weapons you use in Doom 2016 except BFG and chainsaw are THEIR standart weapons. And cybernetics? That same tech was used to creat Cyberdemon in Doom and Hunters in Doom Eternal. They weren't slouches:D Pity that we didn't see neither them, nor Hayden in action.
I believe a juiced up armored car and lighter tanks equipped with vehicular versions of the Gauss Cannon and Chain gun, weapons designed more realistically (in the context of the universe) of course. With anti-infantry turrets being vehicle mounted, heavier iterations of the plasma rifle and heavy cannon/assault rifle. The Tanks would be better suited to face off against super heavies such as the Tyrant, The Pinky, and the Arche-viles.
Hey Spookston, what about Arcs helicopters. I found one in the hell on earth mission( I also found one of these tanks in this mission). But there are also a few of these helicopters in the arc complex of course.
I noticed something you may have missed in your original video concerning Doom's Mechs. In the first mission, not long after you kill the first Hellpriest, you can actually spot one of the giant Mechs wielding two cannons and no hands. Seeing as this was one of your suggestions for improvement, I thought it might be worth mentioning to you.
loved the vid in general, tiny bit of (what I hope is) constructive critique. You mention during the vid how smoke launchers wouldnt be much use against demons... but what about using frag grenades instead as an anti-imp measure for when demons get close. That's exactly the kind of thinking I want to encourage as I feel some of your vids dont seem to take into account the circumstances of the universe the tanks are from. Regarding the ai/onboard automation, the human armies demonstrate high degree automation in their weapon emplacements, the two dual barrel turrets that doomslayer co-opts during one level both appear to be completely unmanned by humans... and yet they have been firing on (presumably demonic) foes all along despite not having operators. While a fully sentient/alive type ai like Doomslayer's only friend (rip daisy), it seems quite probable that weak ai capable of helping a downright minimalistic number of humans operate a tank or mecha is well within their abilities. Also, while the ai on mars required that whole facility to function, the fortress of doom had some kind of little medal-sized device that could apparently store and run that same ai all on its own for portable adventure times, no clue how if at all that changes anything for the humans at large, sans alien tech, but thought I should mention it as being a thing. As for the tank itself, doesnt it look a bit like a sleek, highly mobile artillery piece more than a real battle-tank? It only has that one big gun that is virtually unarmored, which to me suggests that it isnt lacking auxiliary weapons as a design oversight but, perhaps, it was built to fight from the extreme ranges such a big weapon array might allow for and to avoid close engagements with demons at all costs? This, again to me, makes sense since conventional tank armor wont really serve that much of a purpose against demons... They Do have some demon types with long ranged attack modes, cacofiends can spit fireballs from the skies and spooky skeleton rocket launchers do present a long ranged threat... But on the whole with Most demons be they imps, hell-knights or barons if they are close enough to attack a tank at all then odds are they will simply punch ten times if one punch wont do the job. If it is a knight or stronger, then putting enough tank armor on to actually let you last more than 2-3 punches would probably add up really quick (again, unless youre Doomslayer with his litterally magic armor and heck, that armor-value drops pretty dang fast around knight demons). In short, me thinks that for fighting demon hordes, offence is the only real option for defense... As the datalogues mention, the demons come in countless numbers and, given their masters, will not hesitate to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of their lower ranks to overrun a defensive emplacement no matter how high the walls or how sturdy the bunker shell. The only thing that'll stop them is to, quite crudely, kill them all before they can kill you. Armor isnt totally pointless obviously, dead people cant shoot guns after all. But given the problems of armoring anything to resist enemies that can rip through Finally, you mention that with articulated H-tanks an issue is getting power to the motors and such through the articulation joints to let the engines built into each section actually get some proper oomph in the ensuing locomotion (paraphrasing here, clearly). Something that might be relevant is that everything in the human army there runs off of argent energy which as its defining advantages for humans vs prior energy sources is how its clean, highly portable and incredibly dense in energy to mass ratios. Consider the level with the BFG1000, that's a gun emplacement that was capable of blasting a non-negligible chunk of mars into orbit with One shot, and they had that thing rapid firing blasts once every 10-20 seconds during the level with no real issues to speak of... And we all know what kind of portable doomsday device the 9k model is, even the plasma rifle puts out quite a few shots with a full mag (not that the slayer ever reloads so no clue how much of that would be one 'cell' per say...). If nothing else, we know its portable enough and powerful enough to make giant Mechs feasible... So all in all the fuel-source for a tank or any other vehicle of comparable size, which also serves as the ammo supply for any energy weapons mounted, to be ridiculously small and light relative to the mass of the vehicle being powered. Lets not mention how it could be used for energy shielding... The energy shields used by the military human to demon converts you fight are clearly argent tech after all... So You arent really restricted to relying on physical plates and, given how Much hardier those shields are compared to physical materials.. may not even want to. Now, I absolutely do not know tanks or real weapons remotely as well as you do, so I am curious... Given what's mentioned above and that you'd have to arm and armor an army for fighting this endless horde of fearless (Again, again.. except for the doomslayer) demons, how would you design the hardware that's supposed to let humanity save itself? Keep in mind that while killing things from a thousand miles away would indeed be ideal, some parts of the army will probably have to bite the bullet (demon fang?) and be equipped to serve as the first line of defense, if only to give the big guns more time to shoot stuff and possibly targeting data to help aim the artillery/missiles.
Let’s hand wave what kind of engine it has because I wouldn’t put it past Sam not to but an argent engine in his tanks especially if they have a BFGesque weapon
On the topic of powered suits you mentioned in previous videos, what about the MEC's from XCOM Enemy Within? discussing the viability or practicality of their size and weapons and such.
To me there's nothing wrong with the Half-Life 2 APC, it looks just like a modern armored car, like the ones american swat uses, it fits a deployable crew of (i assume:) 4 soldiers on the back, plus a pilot on the front-center area, and below him a rocket launching weapon, probably the same kind the player use (laser-guided)
I'd be intrigued if you ever considered expanding beyond tracked vehicles for your series. Perhaps the wheeled tank from gears of war or the m35 mako from mass effect?
Why bother delivering "mechanical" power through the hinge? Considering the compact size of advanced electical motors,, and the size of the pods themselves, they could be easily integrated there. This even increases the surface area to radiate heat from (even if only slightly). . .
Shooter on arenas game playing. "Hey, there is tank-decoration here. Let`s analise it!" It`s perfect channel:)
anal-ise?
"too busy juicing demon brains in a blood-fueled rage to notice"
Don't worry, it happens to all of us
we all make mistakes in the heat of passion
@@yoavlinzen5669 jimbo
I think is more a Self-propelled gun rather than a tank due to the lack of guns, perhaps designed for inderect fire
the7observer Exactly. Could explain the lacking turret hinge protection as well...
Also, in DOOM AIs are pretty advanced so I think there would be an AI that would handle the gun and the crew would give the final authorization to fire. Perhaps it has quad tracks because it used to be a wheeled vehicle that got turned into a SPG and they replaced the wheels with tracks to reduce ground pressure, since they are fighting a war and I believe losses are high, it would make sense for the UAC to adapt ther vehicles to desperately increase avaiable firepower
Even self propelled artillery and engineering vehicles have machines guns on them for self defense.
I was thinking it was deployed to try and take down the titan or shoot down groups of cako demon and pain elementals or just indirect fire
Here's an idea: analyze the Doomslayer to see why he fits the designation MBT.
I thought he'd be more of a Breakthrough tank
Hes a WMD
He’s the “Totalen Krieg”
Self propelled guns
He's a tank destroyer
I mean in Doom world they have AA battery that can supply big city power for years, using energy weapon would be practical
the bfg uses super heated ionizing plasma but ok.
renogiza - no no they use doomguys rage made manifest
@@sorcererberoll4641 Those are the same thing.
Everything wrong with “Tom Clancy’s: Endwar” tanks next, you could do them fully upgraded, or not. Different design philosophies and all!
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oh the mbt+aa combo . . .
Yes I 3rd this!!!
I love that game
Oh man, so many good memories from that game. The vehicles were awesome looking too.
Edit:typo
I loved tom Clancy endwar
Do War Front Turning Point's science fiction vehicles:
- Sonic Tank
- Exoskeleton
- Kharkov Rampager
- Mobile Turret
- ORB
- Ice Spitter
- APC Mole
Looks like a very interesting game
Holy hell! Somebody still remember that game!
@@Spookston And the Ice Spitter too.
The wiki has pictures, I have the game in a file and can give pictures too :P
I still want to somehow play it.
@@doom7ish There are ways :P But it would be so much better if it was on GOG and Steam....
Looks more like SPG then MBT though.
That's what I was thinking. Either that or a mobile anti-air (anti-cacodemon?) gun. Which explains the hinged tracks and the low ground clearance. It's similar to the M1 40mm bofors, whose wheels would be retracted when it was set up for firing mode, which would lower the gun and its center of gravity for extra stability.
@@crazeelazee7524 I was actually thinking of 203mm howitzers with tracked self propelled mounts that need separate vehicles to carry their ammo, but ok. Though I have trouble seing this as AA vehicle.
@@TheArklyte The cannon seems similar to the anti air batteries protecting the BFG 10k
People seem to think the future is more urbanized. But somehow assume that won’t effect vehicle design. Like. The Whole world is a giant city. Let’s build a tank with a 12 foot long barrel too wide to fit an alleyway
I recommend flamethrowers to give your barrel more length
Isn't that the problem the US is going through with the Abrams?
Great for open fields, but in a more city-like area, it's a lot harder to roll tanks through...
stylesrj not really since well the barrel is not that much of an extension and let's be honest your not going to take a tank into an alleyway... that's just plain idiotic no matter what your using.
stylesrj urban combat has never been a tank’s proper stage, I’m not sure it ever will be
American Tanker tell that to the soviets, they’d shove a T-34 into your living room if it’ll fit
And it will fit
I think that it isn’t a “tank” at all. With the way the tanks guns is pointed upwards make it’s a armored mobile artillery platform. Seeing that the gun resembles the bfg 10k it was probably used in a artillery role raining down bfg rounds
BFG rounds don't really seem to fall.
Isnt the bfgs projectile just traveling in a straight line without drop?
the bfg's devastating power comes from the tendrils from the ball of plasma it launches, they only need to fire it over head it doesn't have to drop. its even better that it flies indefinitely.
I think it looks more like a SPG (self-propelled gun) than a tank.
I'm curious if the cannon is an energy/ plasma weapon if it uses the excess heat to do a pulse wave like the plasma rifle. making the main gun a radiator while also giving the gun more uses.
What I'm thinking is, judging by the technology used on the Ion catapult that was meant as a defense system for UAC's bases on Mars, that the weapon on the tank is indeed a type of Ion Catapult-smaller one, but no less devastating more than likely, and probably enough to fry some demons.
Unfortunately though with no visible autoloader, they'd be fucked.
You should do a series where you take old tanks, like the M4 Sherman, T-34, or Tiger II, and modernize them, while trying to keep them loosely recognizeable as their original design.
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When are you planning on returning to 40k tanks if at all?
This weekend
@@Spookston nice, itd be cool to see some xenos vehicles or more imperium as they range from WWI to hovertanks. Plus there are tons of them so you'll have content for a long time from the imperium alone
@@Spookston are u finally going to do a vid on Tau vehicles in Dawn of war
@@Spookston if you ever do chaos daemon vehicles you'll have to take into account the warp and how it messes with physics so that things that should collapse under their own weight just don't because warpfuckery. If you take it at face value they'll give you an aneurism
@@gobknobbler3465 If he covers warptech... I mean, we're talking about things that fight like living creatures rather than like vehicles, and die like living creatures rather than like vehicles. If you core a defiler it's not going to die, because it doesn't have a crew to kill or even ammo storage to detonate, but it might bleed out if you shot enough holes in it, maybe. If it doesn't decide to suck the blood from its victims in order to compensate. Or if it doesn't just happen to have infinite blood. You run headfirst into the children's playground issue, where you can always come up with some nonsense as to why it doesn't die no matter what happens to it, as well as why it did die when some nonsense was done to it.
I feel like this tank was used more as an artillery piece and that's why there's so few you can find
Thank you for making this video, I hope the Dev's can take a look at it and correct the model of this vehicle, btw kind a looks like a artillery piece, great video keep it up.
Huh, I never noticed there was a tank in the game lmao
What if it’s actually a mobile artillery gun?
It's possible, but given it's on the front lines I would like to assume otherwise
@@Spookston ARC was defending this complex with every thing they had so its not surprise that there is artillery in place of last stand of ARC.
@@jPlanerv2 like most of late german spg's, supposed to be on the front but got used like mounted guns on trenches like on the siegfried line
Spook love your work. Would like to do a video where you design a space fighter equivalent if you were commissioned to design one, that would be awesome 😎👍
I suppose I could, I'm ok knowledge-wise with space stuff but I think I could design one that's alright.
@@Spookston Spacedock has good videos on it, but I think it's worth remembering that while the Starfury has great maneuverability, its straightline acceleration will be crap and all those thrusters will require maintenance. That's why I don't think its the best space fighter.
@@Spookston thank you very much, just one advice, the only thing to remember is whatever you design its not gonna move like they portray in the movies, not like a plane because there's no air or gravity. So it will need to thrust towards the direction or maneuver you want it to go.
The space fighters are useless
@@Spookston I saw your video and it was amazing. A small detail. The engine probably runs on argent energy, since dear old Sammy had the only source of it on Earth and using argent weaponry was the whole theme behind ARC.
The M2 medium would be perfect for this world. Machine guns with 360 angles, a high penanty tank gun for hell knights
You and Red Effect should do a collaboration.
Red Effect is a soyboy no.
@@nuclearjanitors Hey, what's wrong with Soy. I drink Soy milk every day.
@@whocares435-z9v says a lot tbh
@@nuclearjanitors Nondairy milk is for chad patriots. Dairy milk is for insecure people.
Amazing video! Please make a video about tank size drones in Ghost Recon Breakpoint game?
With that size of gun, I would guess that this isn't an MBT but a mobile artillery pice. That would also explain the track design, the lack of other guns and the thin looking armor.
It seems strongly implied in game that there is only one BFG 9k, so those are probably smaller versions of the ion catapults.
This looks more like some kind of SPG than a tank, although it doesn't seem like the gun has much elevation. Not that a reclassification would explain or fix any of the issues identified.
Another great video, staying tuned for next time!
Spookston: exsist
Tank designers: shivers nervously
MAN YOUR INTRO GETS ME EVERY DAMN TIME BRO :'( i miss halo 3 and odst days
Dude i love your videos. Keep it up man!
The tank's main gun does indeed bear some resemblance to the BFG 10000 (with the same rails along a large barrel and general shape for that section that releases wasted energy on the BFG 10K when it fires), which I believe was a said to be particle cannon centered around the BFG 9000, which was an argent energy launcher. By that logic, it's likely some kind of energy weapon, with the barrel serving to energize and accelerate what it fires. However, that doesn't seem much like a close-range weapon, more like something which sits behind the forward fighting units and hits the bigger targets, particularly the more armored ones like cyber mancubi or tyrants. That would also likely explain the lack of machine guns and smoke/infantry grenade launchers, since it's not meant to be close enough for them to be very useful, especially with friendly troops ahead. I'd think it would have a decent drop on whatever it fires, too, given how its turret is aiming, so even more reason for it to not have as much armor (and weight, making the tracks a _bit_ better) or more direct-fire weapons. Its internals might very well be only the main turret and scarcely enough room for anything else, with how big the thing is, but I could also see it being possible that gun emplacements and maybe even the turret itself could be remotely controlled from another position, if it had any.
0:42 i dont know if it’s because that hole is deeper than it looks but it almost looks as if the tank could use its tracks to stand up turning the tank into a hybrid mech or turret
I like how your critiques are based on fighting demons, rather than conventional forces. Gotta say, I like the idea of archaic designs becoming useful, like multi-turreted tanks.
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I think the hinged quad tracks could actually be used to both lower and heighten the tanks ground clearance, kind of like the way you imagine a spider getting up to walk around after resting flat on its belly, it raises its body with its legs to scurry around
Excellent vid as always. Would you consider taking a look at the mechs and vehicles from the Earth Defense Force franchise?
Absolutely
EDF: IA has an interesting fictional tank, kinda of a huge Sherman
Hey man great vid, while you’re channel mainly deals with armoured fighting vehicles and tanks you should consider a video on the Halo Warthog and it’s variants as I’ve seen no channel cover it in as much detail as you could. Thanks for reading keep up the good work
Tbf, if it shot a BFG variant munition, that would be a pretty effective anti-personnel weapon. Those green bolts reaching out to caress dozens of demons lovingly would make up for lack of automated turrets, though having some wouldn have hurt. Also, it looked like there were two view ports, so a possible driver-gunner combo.
Another thing you didn't know is that A.I.s besides VEGA did exist. Hayden had the best ones working on developing weapons.
It's either a SPG - Self-propelled gun/artillery or SPAA - Self-propelled anti-air. But the lack of mobility and armor make me think it's a SPAA, the problem is that thing doesn't have a turret, and the gun depression is too low(can't even reach flat 0 degree) so it "maybe" a tank destroyer(?). But considering Hayden designed BFG 10000 to shoot couple cacodemons in the air this explanation make more sense
A game filled with tanks that long forgotten and filled with tanks: Battle Tanks: Global Assault. A bunch of weird tanks... and the Abrams.
Tanks include:
Goliath
Mini Motto
Rattler
Shredder
Flame thrower tank
Flippee
Rhino
Hover tank
Abrams
M80 demolition tank
Hornet
Hydra
Bulldog
I loved how the Goliath, Rhino and Flip-E tank looked in that game!
Isn't in the lore there is significant mention of AI running facility defenses as well as manufacturing and logistics, so there is clearly more AI than just the god machine Vega, who was so massive specifically because he was meant to be a god machine with insane calculative powers.
0:23 there is something special about hearing Spookston enter the "berserker" doom slayer mode with death metal playing in the background, yet his voice stays the same
I think it was an anti-air tank. Because you can see when the cacodemons are attacking the base, the turrets are shooting at them. Maybe that’s what this was designed for. Or possibly an artillery tank.
As for their power sources, they all use argent energy, as they had the crucible as a generator.
if it uses electric induction motors then those can just be mounted directly into the track assembly, cutting down on complexity otherwise caused by a power transfer shaft, if each of the 4 quad tracks had their own motors it would make the design a lot simpler and more modular, making easy replacement of defective or destroyed parts quick and simple. heat dispersion could also be done on each tracks wheel hub, integrating a heat exchanger and heat sink into the hub assembly could manage heat efficiently while eliminating the need for a centralized cooling system, it does add to the part count but should only marginally increase costs.
also quad tracks dont necessarily need to be wide, the Case IH Quad-Trac and the John Deere 9RX both use very narrow quad tracks at factory stock (sure they can be upgraded with wider tracks, but the point is that they can operate just fine without it, and yes these tractors are road legal.), these tractors may not be quite as heavy as a typical MBT but it can be argued that the tank in this video may have been built with materials that are lighter than what we currently have available.
The treads appear to be actuated to allow for variable ride height
That looks like a mobile artillery piece.
You can get around the problem of delivering torque to the drive sproket if the sprockets are directly driven by an electric motor, like on the German VK4501[ Tiger Porsche prototype].
I mean,the overwatch's city wide AI from hl2 was pretty advanced, but her main data base was in the citadel, and after the citadel blew up she reverted to a colder and more robotic functionality, so he isn't wrong about advanced AI.
You keep missing the part of these sort of Quad Tracks that lets the vehicle stand up taller on the track ends to fire over obstacles and duck back down to avoid return fire.
If I were building a electric tank I wouldn't have a centralized engine like you assume, I would have a electric motor in every drive sprocket and maybe even every roadwheel. It'll ensure redundancy and help eliminate the need for cooling.
The power pack would then just be a huge battery/generator.
It also reduces the complexity of the hinges tracks quite a lot.
Turns out this was Doomguy's tank and thus why it only had 1 crewmember.
Each track seems to have the sprockets field behind armor. Maybe there's an independent engine to each one of the four tracks. just a quiet speculation
Thats probably a self propelled artillery rather than a MBT.
I have been playing allot of borderlands 3 and I am playing as Moze and I have all the upgrades that let iron bear just vibe with you outside of it and took a nice long look at it and damn. I see some minor problems with foot and leg size but seriously. Iron bear is a very well designed mech
If it uses electric motors, can't each track section have it's own motor? Therefore rotational force doesn't need to go through the hinge, just electric current.
Great video spook! I actually think 1 man tank in this situation isn't the worst idea as if your tank does get disabled by some demons I doubt the crew would survive anyway do maybe it's to minimize deaths?
The "Mounting points for dozer blades" might actualy be feet. I mean look at that. It has quad tracks and all the tracks have these things at the end. It might actualy be able to flip the tracks 90° and be able to walk like a animal. In my opinion this would make much sense in dooms universe as the there are many opsticals in the doom universe and I can see the tank driveing into stuff that it cant cross.
That reminds me of Chariot from P3. That was a weird lookin boss
I don't know if I am right but in my opinion if you have an electrique drive, you could mount the engine in the tracks pod so you would'nt have any probleme with the suspension
have you ever considered the this tank is more akin to modern self propelled artillery made to support the mechs instead of a front line brawling MBT. or maybe it's an more of an assault gun, instead of bunkers busting it kills bigger demons.
It seems it may be using argent energy instead, which could also be used in the weapon akin to the BFG 9k and 10k.
As to WHY that would be an obvious risk-
Argent energy isn't exactly known to be stable once containment is damaged. Plus, it seems the power cell is literally out in the open with thin armor over itself.
You really need to update your understanding of electrical drive trains. Heavy equipment has been using in-wheel electric motors since not long after the Second World War.
All Porsche tanks had electric transmission, even pre-War ones and if you learn about them from archives and engineering PoV instead of stereotypes, you'd find them better then expected.
But yes, most of our heavy industrial equipement is fully electric. And Spook is a bit behind on tech considering that Tesla is about to finish developement of Semi;\
But he also might have an issue with wheeled tanks by not seeing them as tanks or promising designs. Not sure yet.
@@TheArklyte I've been commenting to him about the need to do a wheels Vs tracks video, because I can definitely see tyres becoming a thing on future tanks, as mobility becomes more important.
@@scottmcdivitt2187 as did I several times. Hopefully it's just a perception bias on our side and he has those on the list too.
P.S.: I need to clarify in case someone ends up here and lacks understanding of the topic:
Electric tansmission on heavy vehicles is example of electric motors. Semi is an example for capabilities of modern batteries.
@@TheArklyte I also think, that with modern and future systems demanding increasing amounts of power, the ability to have access to the drive power as electricity for a few moments would be very useful, and conversely, the ability to run on battery power for a period, avoiding the heat and noise of an engine, would be useful.
I do not think its a battle tank, rather just an AA strapped onto a chassis to deal with cacos and meatballs.
Maybe it's just a self-propelled artillery tracked vehicle, mainly for med-range support?
Could you analyze the tanks of Advanced Warfare? Especially the walking one
I wanna see him analyse those tanks aswell, the T470 hover tank and the T-600 titan walker tank
That's a good one
Honestly, staring at that tank, the more and more it seems like it's a UGV.
Can you do a Mk11 tank analysis? The tank that Johnny Cage rode to kill cyborg
Reminds me of a mobile artillery platform like the M109 Paladin Self Propelled Howitzer but for the BFG . It would explain why the vehicle only has one main gun oppose to the somewhat more versatile load out of the mechs.
Honestly, now I want DOOM: Tactics. The "Turn based spinoff" trend seems like it might be coming back (A GoW one is coming soon), so hell, it might actually happen.
Great video, m8. Maybe you could do battlezone's (98) vehicle design for a future video.
In certain media they have it where the mechs are able to Transform into vehicles ether ground or air and in certain cases both so I’d like to ask what would a Transforming mech be used for if at all? and Transformers do count in this discussion.
I wish we had more material on vehicles in the doom universe since the war they are fighting (or were i guess) is so different than other games and universes. We could see some cool ass shit like the aforementioned “machine gun nest on tracks”
I wonder how you would think of the endwar vehicle designs as the game is quite interesting
*Tank. In Doom*
*Right*
While having tank to support infantry is very nice, I don't think the condition of Earth's terrain during Hell invasion will be a good place for tank, due to.... well, if you play the game you will understand.
Actually, stuff like *powered armor* will be pefect for the kind of war humanity in Doom universe found themselve in. According to what people who played the game tell me, Demon force invade Earth via teleportation ( Sort of like Half Life's Earth fall during 7 Hours War), so there's pretty much no define frontline or rear area to rally. So armor won't be the best idea imo, but infantry, and power armor is perfect for providing direct support firepower.
In fact, one of the most important mission the Doomguy are doing during the game, is to kill some kind of priest that holf the key to allow teleportation of Demon force during the invasion. By killing all of them, Demon lost their main advantage, and allowing humanity a breathing space to regroup, rebuild and strike back. ( I actually like it that way. Yes, you are playing a 80s era muscular badass deamon killing machine, but you are just one man against an army. So you are gonna need other support beside your pocket weapon locker.) ;)
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Powered armor and exoskeletons are kind of obsolete by that point. Hayden had cyborg commandos at his disposal. Those guys stormed Hell to steal Doomguys sarcophagus and also were capable enough to stop demon invasion on Mars on their own hence why demons made a deal with Olivia Pierce to kill them with Hayden's killswitch in the first place. All weapons you use in Doom 2016 except BFG and chainsaw are THEIR standart weapons. And cybernetics? That same tech was used to creat Cyberdemon in Doom and Hunters in Doom Eternal. They weren't slouches:D
Pity that we didn't see neither them, nor Hayden in action.
would be nice if you could take a closer look at the tank a uncovred model might be in the game files something like that would be nice to see
Hey man love your videos💝💝 have try exploring Lost Planet with their mechs fighting akrid?
Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance has some great potential for future videos.
Hey @Spookston could you review the mechs in "Love Death + Robots" Episode 4 "suits"
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I believe a juiced up armored car and lighter tanks equipped with vehicular versions of the Gauss Cannon and Chain gun, weapons designed more realistically (in the context of the universe) of course. With anti-infantry turrets being vehicle mounted, heavier iterations of the plasma rifle and heavy cannon/assault rifle.
The Tanks would be better suited to face off against super heavies such as the Tyrant, The Pinky, and the Arche-viles.
Hey Spookston, what about Arcs helicopters. I found one in the hell on earth mission( I also found one of these tanks in this mission). But there are also a few of these helicopters in the arc complex of course.
I want to see you pick on a rather old game's vehicle design.
The metal slug series.
It's a goldmine of designs for you to look about.
I noticed something you may have missed in your original video concerning Doom's Mechs. In the first mission, not long after you kill the first Hellpriest, you can actually spot one of the giant Mechs wielding two cannons and no hands. Seeing as this was one of your suggestions for improvement, I thought it might be worth mentioning to you.
Pretty sure that you'd have an electric motor for each track, rather than a drive shaft from a central powerplant.
At first I thought it was a cannon but now I know that it's a tank
These vids slap so hard
loved the vid in general, tiny bit of (what I hope is) constructive critique. You mention during the vid how smoke launchers wouldnt be much use against demons... but what about using frag grenades instead as an anti-imp measure for when demons get close. That's exactly the kind of thinking I want to encourage as I feel some of your vids dont seem to take into account the circumstances of the universe the tanks are from.
Regarding the ai/onboard automation, the human armies demonstrate high degree automation in their weapon emplacements, the two dual barrel turrets that doomslayer co-opts during one level both appear to be completely unmanned by humans... and yet they have been firing on (presumably demonic) foes all along despite not having operators. While a fully sentient/alive type ai like Doomslayer's only friend (rip daisy), it seems quite probable that weak ai capable of helping a downright minimalistic number of humans operate a tank or mecha is well within their abilities. Also, while the ai on mars required that whole facility to function, the fortress of doom had some kind of little medal-sized device that could apparently store and run that same ai all on its own for portable adventure times, no clue how if at all that changes anything for the humans at large, sans alien tech, but thought I should mention it as being a thing.
As for the tank itself, doesnt it look a bit like a sleek, highly mobile artillery piece more than a real battle-tank? It only has that one big gun that is virtually unarmored, which to me suggests that it isnt lacking auxiliary weapons as a design oversight but, perhaps, it was built to fight from the extreme ranges such a big weapon array might allow for and to avoid close engagements with demons at all costs? This, again to me, makes sense since conventional tank armor wont really serve that much of a purpose against demons... They Do have some demon types with long ranged attack modes, cacofiends can spit fireballs from the skies and spooky skeleton rocket launchers do present a long ranged threat... But on the whole with Most demons be they imps, hell-knights or barons if they are close enough to attack a tank at all then odds are they will simply punch ten times if one punch wont do the job. If it is a knight or stronger, then putting enough tank armor on to actually let you last more than 2-3 punches would probably add up really quick (again, unless youre Doomslayer with his litterally magic armor and heck, that armor-value drops pretty dang fast around knight demons).
In short, me thinks that for fighting demon hordes, offence is the only real option for defense... As the datalogues mention, the demons come in countless numbers and, given their masters, will not hesitate to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of their lower ranks to overrun a defensive emplacement no matter how high the walls or how sturdy the bunker shell. The only thing that'll stop them is to, quite crudely, kill them all before they can kill you. Armor isnt totally pointless obviously, dead people cant shoot guns after all. But given the problems of armoring anything to resist enemies that can rip through
Finally, you mention that with articulated H-tanks an issue is getting power to the motors and such through the articulation joints to let the engines built into each section actually get some proper oomph in the ensuing locomotion (paraphrasing here, clearly). Something that might be relevant is that everything in the human army there runs off of argent energy which as its defining advantages for humans vs prior energy sources is how its clean, highly portable and incredibly dense in energy to mass ratios. Consider the level with the BFG1000, that's a gun emplacement that was capable of blasting a non-negligible chunk of mars into orbit with One shot, and they had that thing rapid firing blasts once every 10-20 seconds during the level with no real issues to speak of... And we all know what kind of portable doomsday device the 9k model is, even the plasma rifle puts out quite a few shots with a full mag (not that the slayer ever reloads so no clue how much of that would be one 'cell' per say...). If nothing else, we know its portable enough and powerful enough to make giant Mechs feasible... So all in all the fuel-source for a tank or any other vehicle of comparable size, which also serves as the ammo supply for any energy weapons mounted, to be ridiculously small and light relative to the mass of the vehicle being powered. Lets not mention how it could be used for energy shielding... The energy shields used by the military human to demon converts you fight are clearly argent tech after all... So You arent really restricted to relying on physical plates and, given how Much hardier those shields are compared to physical materials.. may not even want to.
Now, I absolutely do not know tanks or real weapons remotely as well as you do, so I am curious... Given what's mentioned above and that you'd have to arm and armor an army for fighting this endless horde of fearless (Again, again.. except for the doomslayer) demons, how would you design the hardware that's supposed to let humanity save itself? Keep in mind that while killing things from a thousand miles away would indeed be ideal, some parts of the army will probably have to bite the bullet (demon fang?) and be equipped to serve as the first line of defense, if only to give the big guns more time to shoot stuff and possibly targeting data to help aim the artillery/missiles.
Let’s hand wave what kind of engine it has because I wouldn’t put it past Sam not to but an argent engine in his tanks especially if they have a BFGesque weapon
I thin CoD advanced Warfare would have some really cool vehicles to look at, even if it wasn’t that good of a game.
i think that the quad tracks are designt so that they lift the tank up for obsticle clearence
Id like to see a gears of war video based on their centaur, silverback, and Armadillo.
I already asked a few months back...he never responded tho sadly
On the topic of powered suits you mentioned in previous videos, what about the MEC's from XCOM Enemy Within? discussing the viability or practicality of their size and weapons and such.
Everyone gansta till the demons start laying minefields
What about "Everything wrong with Half-life 2 APC"?
The Strider, too
@@Mike-ukr it's not a vehicle , it's a living being
To me there's nothing wrong with the Half-Life 2 APC, it looks just like a modern armored car, like the ones american swat uses, it fits a deployable crew of (i assume:) 4 soldiers on the back, plus a pilot on the front-center area, and below him a rocket launching weapon, probably the same kind the player use (laser-guided)
@@isgodreal1337 It's designed, manufactured and deployed just like a vehicle, so it's still worth examining it
@@Mike-ukr hmm.. it's a synth, if you consider it in those terms, the combine soldiers are also vehicles
You should take a look at the just cause game series tanks, a video on them would be kinda cool
Next C&C Generals?
There is also a crashed helicopter on the same level, if you'd like to spice things up a little
I think the tank is more like a self propelled air droppable artillery piece. Small crew, defensive position, designed for air borne operations.
Can you do one on the HK tank from the Terminator and Terminator 2?
I'd be intrigued if you ever considered expanding beyond tracked vehicles for your series. Perhaps the wheeled tank from gears of war or the m35 mako from mass effect?
I commented he should do a review for Gears Of War tanks a while back, never got a reply tho.
This reminds me a lot of the siege tank from Starcraft. Not so much combat main battle tank but more of a support artillery tank
Why bother delivering "mechanical" power through the hinge? Considering the compact size of advanced electical motors,, and the size of the pods themselves, they could be easily integrated there. This even increases the surface area to radiate heat from (even if only slightly). . .
do a video on the vehicles in killzone
I assume this is more of a mobile artillery then an actual tank.