Engl Blackmore vs Marshall Major vs Super Lead (sound like Ritchie Blackmore)
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GEAR:
Fender Custom Shop 68 Relic stratocaster
with Custom Shop 1969 pickups
Fender Ritchie Blackmore Signature Stratocaster
with Fender Lace Sensor Gold pickups+BSM Spicebox
Fender MIJ ST71 reissue stratocaster
with Custom Shop 1969 pickups
Max's Aiwa pedal
Custom Marshall Major Replica
Rivera Rockcrusher (Attenuator / Loadbox)
Two Notes Wall of Sound plugin brit 1935 IR cabinet profile
Wow Adam, thank you so much!! Great video and playing, I'm very flattered by your kind words! :)))
Actually it’s me who need to thank you for creating the sound I always wanted to hear!
@@DogwithtwoBones Makes me very happy, thanks!!
I like all three; maybe the ENGL is the one I prefer because I heard it live in the last Rainbow tour, but Mistreated with the Custom Major is fabulous!
I like all three too. And yes mistreated sounds just right with the major but I am okay playing man on the silver mountain on any of it. My wife said the engl sound like a studio recording while the major sounds live. I thought it was a great way of summing it up.
@@DogwithtwoBones Long live the syntheticity of your wife who hit the topic; I forgot to congratulate you for Hall of the mountain king!
Great job with all these amps. It really illustrates the unique qualities that Blackmore brought to rock. He is such a great musician. Really, one of a kind
Thanks! He is definitely one of a kind and totally unique.
Great Video! I think you nailed it here. The ENGL was not really designed to sound like the Marshals. It was the amp he was after in the 90s. You can still get in the same ballpark, but it has its own sound. I own the ENGL and the flexibility it brings to get into modern high gain, but still get some of the classic tones with lower gain settings was the appeal. I recently started using a Revival Drive Compact in the clean channel and find it gets closer to the 70’s Marshall tones than using the low gain. Hope to add one of the Treble boosters at some time in the future.
Yes exactly. It is always a question if you want to sound like how your hero sounded or how he wanted to sound. Blackmore might have been looking for the engl sound but we listened to him play a masrhall. Anyway I would have guessed the revival drive plexi setting sounded good. Thanks for the confirmation.
I can recommend the Fllynn "Hawk treble boost" made in Scotland by Steve Flynnn of Flynn Amps ...he is a genius with his amps and effects.
Great video thanks 😊
@@robertkidd6270 thanks! I am not familiar with it but I’ll look it and him up.
Having the right amp, guitar, effects, pickups is very important but knowing how to play (like you) is the most important thing. Keep up the good work ❗👍👍👍
I agree, lot of the tone comes from the hand but not all. Thanks!
Your on screen comment-card about the catlinbread 'RB' pedals made me chuckle....u r correct, how they could call those 'RB' related is beyond me. They are almost the antithesis of an RB sound. I am sure you know about the Bernd Meisner E650 mod...I had that mod done to my engl and it makes a huge difference. They only trick is that the mod needs to be done to the earlier production run, like before 2013-ish as those amps still had the availability of the ultralinear output transformer taps, which is essential to that mod. (Ultralinear output tranny, like on a Marshall major). You could still do the mods to a new production e650 but you would have to replace the output transformer with an ultralinear capable one, thus greatly increasing the cost of the mod. The early production e650s already had an ultralinear capable output transformer in them, they just weren't wired to use them. Not sure if your engl RB is modded but if you can find somebody you trust to do the mod, the schematic is on the BSM site and is 100% worth doing. Bernd's mod delivers that big open sound where you don't need alot of gain to sound huge.
No my ENGL is stock (as far as I know, bought it used) and I talked to Bernd about the mods but I am not going to go though the trouble. It sounds pretty alright for what Blackmore used Engls for and I have my Marshalls so rather leave them doing best what they were intended. It's goof to have a modern sounding amp anyways, just in case.
I'm sold next Amy Ritchie Blackmore. The artist edition is a close second. Hard choice. Anyone played both. What should I get? rock band.
Hi..Whats the brand of your strings? Thanks
What was that tune you were playing at the beginning of the video? I have been looking for it on Spotify by listening every freaking Deep Purple and Rainbow song! Lol.
It has the familiar classical medley.
It is hall of the mountain king from the 1995 rainbow album. That main riff is from Grieg’s hall of the mountain king composition.
@@DogwithtwoBones thank you! They have such a huge library. I’m always dis or wrong more gems
Cool! Do you used noise gate for your strats in this records? Thanks
I dont think so, i do have a noise gate I got for live shows but I think I bought it after this video.
Great video. The Major is by far the best but I like the SV20 second, hence I find one and get the SV20 based on your video. Do you know of any available mods for the SV20 which can get a bit closer to the Major tone?
I don't know any mods, I know next to nothing about the technical stuff unfortunately. You should ask Max (Mgalbu on youtube) he might have something.
Great video!! I read somewhere that ritchie said the engl sounded better at lower volumes, is this correct?
I think what he meant is his marshalls has to be used almost full on (because they are not master volume amps) and that soudns great on a big stage but with a relatively small venue with Blackmore's Night the engl is more functional and sounds better I guess.
Yeah great ! Thanks for this ! It's intersting that you compare with the sv20 ! I think it does a good job, too much high end maybe, and not the same low mid than the major but a really better tone than the engl for the 70' area !
The mistreated tone is spot on with the major !
So did you still use your 2x12 scumback cab ? Or anything else ?
Thanks ! And congrat!
Thanks! I agree the sv20 is pretty good fro 70s Blackmore. I am using IRs now, usually like in this video a brit 1935 profile from two notes.
@@DogwithtwoBones okkay ! So you think the IR is better than the scumback ? Or is it to avoid loud volume ?
@@KingArthur-os4id it’s all about the volume. I live in the city in an condo/flat now and have a baby so I have to be dead silent. If I remember correctly I made a little comparison between the IR and my isolation cab, should be on youtube called silent blackmore tone or something.
I think Blackmore used Savage amps and never his signature model. The signature model came in two configurations: one with EL34s and the other with 6L6s. I heard that he used the crunch channel only but it was dimed...
Indeed that’s why it’s important to ask can it actually sound like him. Because he designed it I am sure but for some reason never used it. He must have had a reason to accept and design this one instead of just saying put my name on a savage :D
To be honest I can't imagine Blackmore getting involved at that level... He mentioned sometime in the late 90s that Engl wanted to do an amp for him but I think thats it... I never saw anything else being mentioned.
@@robertritchie2860 i can imagine him saying stuff to engl how he wants the savage changed and maybe testing a few prototypes. But yeah I dont think was there in the factory for days playing like he did in 1970 with marshall.
Great demonstration. 9:28 Instant duckface from that tone.
Thanks a lot!
How do you like the Blackmore scallop style ?
I am kinda torn between the Blackmore and Malmsteen scallop. I like the latter because it is very deep but the Blackmore’s shallower on the bass string side so it is somewhat easier to riff.
For the Mistreated & Man on the silver mountain the ENGL sounds the best IMHO, thats why I am looking forward to ordering GuitarSlinger RB1011 to my Engl Gigmaster, BSM Galaxy is much more expensive and to be honest I dont know where to get in Europe. Anyway, I expect for example MIJ solos will not sound that good on Gigmaster, maybe with another pedal, 71/73 for example....thank for the video Adam
BSM is a german company as well so you can order directly. But I’d advise to get Max’s aiwa pedal, that is the best sounding in my opinion. At least on my rig, even the engl. But it is up to personal taste as well. You cannot go wrong with either.
Also for the MIJ tones get a hornby skewes replica, Max makes one as well. But he is the USA so there’d be customs.
Interesting. Engl comes close, that mistreated tone aint bad! That major-esque amp has that familiar midrange bark.
That major is my favourite but yes the engl sound pretty great too. Little too modern for some stuff but generally awesome.
For me , the first choice gonna be the major amp . The second choice is the engl
My choices exactly!
hey Adam! which IR are you using? cheers
1935 brit greenback from twonotes
@@DogwithtwoBones thanks Adam. I agree Max's Major clone sounds the best for RB's 70ies sound. So glad I have one!
@@flyingsnowman6727 i am happy we found what makes our ears happy :D
Sweet!
Thanks!
The only concern with either amp would be the neighbours in my appartment. So I will have to settle with what I have at home. I would blow them away.
Exactly why I use a loadbox and an IR to simulate the speakers on my computer to be able to use real amps but be silent in the room. I was sceptical at first but sounds awesome. Attenuators are also a good option. Oh and the engl has a master volume.
@@DogwithtwoBones This is what I hoped to hear. Could you demonstrate on Patreon how to set that up and what you need, would be such a change for the better! I now use a Positive Grid Spark amp at home, very nice though. Just not 100% what I need.
@@jaixaphoto It is kinda easy to set up. I use the rivera rock crusher loadbox but theter are cheaper solutions liek the two notes torpedo. You just take your amp cable and instead of plugging it in to the cabinet, you plug it in the loadbox. Then you need another cable connecting that to a computer, through an audio interface. I use the focusright scarlet but the iRig might be cheaper and works well too. The you need to simulate the speakers, I use the two notes topredo wall of sound software. That is not a stand alone app so I also need a DAW like logic pro but must work with free ones too. If you choose to use the wall of sound I can send you my presets, but you haver to buy the same IR profile from two notes to be able to use it.
@@DogwithtwoBones Sounds good, I will check it out, certainly a future investment!
I’m using the SV20 and def feel like you can get close enough with it. Lot of bite with those amps. Though, if I were ever to come across a Major…that COULD be tempting lol
I like the sv20 too but it’s too bitey for me. A stock major would definitely help with the fattness but not sure it would sound that much better without the Blackmroe mods. Let me know if you ever get tempted ;)
@@DogwithtwoBones I hear ya! one trick that I found from watching a 5 Watt World interview about the Super Lead style circuit is to run the mids no higher than around 9:00. They said this makes it sound a bit more like the JTM Marshall’s, which were supposedly a warmer sounding circuit.
My settings: Channels jumpered, plugged into input 1, Bass Mids and treble around 9:00, Loudness’ both set to noon, and Presence to taste, but mainly in that 9:00 range. I’m plugged into Max’s treble booster and it’s amazing lol a Major is on my bucket list!!! Maybe I’ll get one from Max
@@thetanman2233 i havent seen that episode but like Keith’s channel.
I have the presence and mids 0 on mine, bass and treble at 9 oclock and volumes either 5 aka noon or 6. Jumpered the same way.
If you even get a major I advise to get Max’s. It was my bucketlist item too and didnt disappoint!
@@DogwithtwoBones hey I got Max’s AIWA pedal! These comments went a long way in helping me dial some amazing sounds out of my rig with it! I had to run the EQ waaaay lower, the pedal is capable of adding a LOT of boost to seemingly every frequency
@@thetanman2233 glad to hear and hope you’ll enjoy as much as I do.
Marshall Major forever!
I am with you man!
Next YJM sound?
Unfortunately I dont know much about Malmsteen's gear, and even less of his playing. That's way past my weekend warrior level. But I likelistening to him is small doses :D
I forgot to mention I have a video on my channel comparing the yjm100 and my custom major.
@@DogwithtwoBones Thanks a lot!
The first two sounded nearly identical. But what do I know? I'm just guitar player.
First two what? Samples of the man on riff? I think they are pretty different but you know youtube compresses the sound and it makes harder to detect the nuances.
@@DogwithtwoBones Yeah... Man on the Silver Mountain riff. I like the ENGL it totally sounds like Rainbow on Stage. On the custom Major is almost sounds like the cabinet speakers have been swapped? Also 'Man on the Silver Mountain' is pretty much the Deep Purple 'Burn' riff?
@@frostedhead I used the sam cab simulation IR on all 3 amps.
Well Blackmore had a bunch of G riffs like that.
@@DogwithtwoBones You should have used a 4x12 cabinet with Altec aluminum dome speakers a ribbon mic and cranked it! gotta keep 100% old school.
@@frostedhead unfortunately my living situation does not allow a cranked 4x12.
Surprised think the Engl sounded very good
To be honest I was a little surprised too because I only heard people play high gain metal on the engl blackmore.
I'll bet you could get the ENGL to sound a lot closer to the Major using IR selection. The Major is more upper-mids focused.
It wasnt my goal but yeah you could get them somewhat closer probably. All in all they have very different sound characteristics. Btw I used the same IR if I remember correctly.
Simulated speaker 🤣🤣 Nice playing man but I lost interest right there. 🤘🏻
Look into them because it sounds pretty good, i was totally surprised. Of course it would be way better to rock out on two 4x12s but l live in a condo so that’s bot an option unfortunately.
Blackmore lost his awesome tone when he switched to the ENGL...he should have stuck with Marshall.
I am sorry I dont agree. My favourite tone was the machine head era then burn and rainbow but I prefer the 90s engl to the 80s marshall.
Judging by the Man On The Silver Mountain clip, they’ve all got too much gain. When you hold the last chord in the riff the notes sustain for way longer than anything Blackmore did in the 70’s.
That said, I liked the Marshall the best as it seemed the lowest gain and a little clearer/clang-ier/Kerrang-ier.
I used to have agreed but the more I listen to 76-78 live rainbow shows it has more gain than I previously thought. Also listen to the isolated tracks on Machine Head. The marshall was so cranked you can hear it farts out in fuzz. Of course that was with the treble booster not the aiwa circuit.
@@DogwithtwoBones fair enough. You’ve done well copping the vibe of such an amazing guitarist like Blackmore.
Also, the consensus seems to be that he used a AC30 on Machine Head
@@zachariahwade8482 thank you! That’s the big controvesry or secret for sure. I am on the marshall camp but he definitely had the ac30 there as well based on the picture and very well used both. We’ll never know for certain…