A series hybrid. The rotary engine is perfectly suited to this role. Found its niche at last. It is only a part time engine, being used occasionally. Most people will charge the batteries.
Opposite. Best is diesel and battery. Gas engines are useless for hybrids becasue in city it uses electrycity and on highway diesel is way more efficient. Wanel is the worst efficient engine out gas engines, the weight does not add benefits its suited for motorbikes not cars. Their efficiencies are 30% wankel, 35% gas, 50% diesel, 100% electric.
I live in a condo and cannot install a home charger and I would have to drive through an hour of Bangkok traffic to reach a charge station so hybrid was my only option. I really like the simplicity of an all electric with built in gas-powered charger. Even if you never connect to a charger, the car gets 120 kpl or 283 miles per gallon. Not everyone has the ability to have their own charger so this will appeal to a much broader market.
I really hope we see this as a 2 rotor in a new RX vehicle. Or if we don't, I'm really curious to see these housings & rotors start getting in the hands of tuners. More displacement per rotor is always appreciated, and the higher compression could mean better fuel economy and naturally aspirated power.
This is a series Hybrid, so the rotary engine here is just used as a range extender for the electric motor. I dont think that the rotary engine will be used for the propulsion of the car sadly, just as a generator really.
The rotary is such a good idea for a PHEV. They major downside of PHEVs is the dead weight of the combustion powertrain so if it can be made as light as possible, that will also increase the range in EV mode. Having driven a Prius Prime, its a great car but it feels a bit silly carrying around a full-size engine that does absolutely nothing but weigh the car down until it's needed. I think this car has a great formula. The battery is not too large that the car is too heavy and it gets totally adequate range for most drives but it has the rotary as a backup and for longer hauls, but it weighs far less than a piston engine. If they have solved lubrication for this engine, they have a winner I think. I see mass-market potential for this powertrain for sure.
I just want to know how they handle oil burning in this engine. How far you can go before you need to add oil to the system? What kind of engine oil needed for this engine? Are they added any convinieces over their previous engine for and average user? Oil indicator?
My opinion. The setup is great, but the car itself is not practical unless you only have a driver and 1 passenger. Ridiculous that you have to open the front doors in order to open a back door, and the rear legroom is only suited for a preteen. Even a 13 year old will struggle to fit in the back
Fuel consumption is comparable to piston engines so I have read. But it is very smooth, light and small. So, when running on battery power alone, there is less weight to pull improving fuel consumption to a heavy piston engined series hybrid when running from the battery alone. Excellent advantage. Being only a _part time_ engine, the fuel consumption is not that important as rarely will the car be used using the petrol rotary engine opposed to running off the battery. Typical overall annual fuel running costs, electricity and petrol purchased, is what matters.
I really want to see the reviews of this model. I am specially curious about its performance and consumption at highway speeds. Will the rotary be enough to maintain the power at high speeds?
@@sgergov they started mass production only on 22nd June. I think it will be at the EU in October, if they sail the vessel with cars fast enough and burn a bit more of diesel, maybe in September late. :)
Especially since it is a 50 litre tank to get 270 more miles whereas a conventional car can get over 500 with a 50 litre rank So its not even like its more efficient And you don't get the benefit of it being sporty since it isn't
It doesn’t have two rotors - just one single Wankel rotor. Those two shiny things you see towards the back of the engine are the electricity generators. There could be two of them; one for charging the traction battery on the fly and the other for providing electric power to the traction motors - this is conjecture - but those are definitely two generators you’re looking at. I also suspect one of them is capable of reversing polarity and acting as a powerful starter for the rotary engine itself. Like the Prius (which doesn’t have a conventional starter motor like ordinary cars) you will never hear this vehicle making the chattering starter motor noise like ordinary cars. Fascinating! I suspect Mazda might be still keeping some secrets back - until the MX-30 R-EV is launched. I used to have a Mazda MX-3 which I drove for 8.5 years. Mazda were surprisingly very quiet about the vehicle’s built in passive rear wheel steer - probably for insurance reasons at the time - but the coupe DID have it and it actually worked a treat at speed!
Several years ago Mazda had an EV that nobody wanted, so they built a range extender generator . I went to the Detroit auto show and it was on display , very similar to what is in this video - I am almost sure it was a dual rotor Wankel rotating the 2 rotors / shiny things in the video . Took me a second to realize it was Too Big ; - electric vehicles should have a Really small ice engine to heat antifreeze and generate electricity . Thanks for responding , didn’t notice it till today August 25, 2024
The rotary engine was shelved because of not meeting EU regulations , high fuel consumption and failing rota seals. Has all this been resolved. I think I would only get one if it had a very good guarantee
doktorbimmer sanders van der kammen is planning his counter attack at this time.... he can not, under any circumstance, tolerate this development. You see, he's the head engineer for Lada.
@@johnburns4017 It's hilarious- he argued with the entire internet that we'd never see another wankel motor in a car..... now, there is one, you'll be able to buy one in about 2 weeks.
@@johnburns4017 he's going much further. He's said you'll never be able to buy one- yet that won't be true in about 2 weeks. He also said there are no commercial rotaries being made anywhere , and that isn't true either. They are used in aviation and drones.
A series hybrid. The rotary engine is perfectly suited to this role. Found its niche at last. It is only a part time engine, being used occasionally. Most people will charge the batteries.
Yea 👍
THEN WHY ISN'T MAZDA MAKING IT???
YOU LOOK LIKE A FOOL
Its shit , Mazda will fail with this
Part time in rotary engine’s sweet spot (highway driving) if errands and std commute is done with charged battery as is 100% for most people.
Opposite. Best is diesel and battery. Gas engines are useless for hybrids becasue in city it uses electrycity and on highway diesel is way more efficient. Wanel is the worst efficient engine out gas engines, the weight does not add benefits its suited for motorbikes not cars. Their efficiencies are 30% wankel, 35% gas, 50% diesel, 100% electric.
Omg that engine will be the best comparing to other's cars
Yea totally agree 👍
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Mazda will be my next car to buy
Nice 👌
So it’s also true that Mercedes and Maserati owners won’t consider a Mazda.😮
Won't be this one!!!
I live in a condo and cannot install a home charger and I would have to drive through an hour of Bangkok traffic to reach a charge station so hybrid was my only option. I really like the simplicity of an all electric with built in gas-powered charger. Even if you never connect to a charger, the car gets 120 kpl or 283 miles per gallon. Not everyone has the ability to have their own charger so this will appeal to a much broader market.
Did they make indestructible apex seals?
Not sure 🤔
Good job mazda
Mazda always in my ♥️
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I really hope we see this as a 2 rotor in a new RX vehicle. Or if we don't, I'm really curious to see these housings & rotors start getting in the hands of tuners. More displacement per rotor is always appreciated, and the higher compression could mean better fuel economy and naturally aspirated power.
This is a series Hybrid, so the rotary engine here is just used as a range extender for the electric motor. I dont think that the rotary engine will be used for the propulsion of the car sadly, just as a generator really.
Why does the car need two rotors??
The rotor will then spend more time to charge and assist some kinetic movement.
Yes 👍 It is like a generator for the electric motor
@@EastWood2004he's saying take the stupid ass EV motor off the rotary and slapping two together so we have a full rotary engine again
The rotary is such a good idea for a PHEV. They major downside of PHEVs is the dead weight of the combustion powertrain so if it can be made as light as possible, that will also increase the range in EV mode. Having driven a Prius Prime, its a great car but it feels a bit silly carrying around a full-size engine that does absolutely nothing but weigh the car down until it's needed. I think this car has a great formula. The battery is not too large that the car is too heavy and it gets totally adequate range for most drives but it has the rotary as a backup and for longer hauls, but it weighs far less than a piston engine. If they have solved lubrication for this engine, they have a winner I think. I see mass-market potential for this powertrain for sure.
If that's true why isn't Mazda making them???
So this is why there was a huge space in the engine of the MX30. Maybe if I buy and MX30 you can install this Rotary engine
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It's because it was designed as a hybrid powered by a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder Skyactiv G engine
I just want to know how they handle oil burning in this engine. How far you can go before you need to add oil to the system? What kind of engine oil needed for this engine? Are they added any convinieces over their previous engine for and average user? Oil indicator?
I will try to answer in another video 👍👍🙏
@@SDADanCars Okay tqsm
Very good points. I wonder too, and reporters should be asking.
I would start learning how to premix lol
@@newagereject1 Better off running 13B then.
Does it come with a lifetime castrol subscription?
Not sure Mike …. I will ask
Now 1y later (after video posted) and this may be the reason R-EV is still not offered in the US (& not listed for MazdaUSA in 2024). ☹
What is the efficiency from fuel to electricity?
In the old days rotary engines runs on hydrogen as well, it was experimental.
Très belle technologie Merci Dan
Oui ami 👍
Great idea how to apply the hybrid concept.
Yes 👍
My opinion. The setup is great, but the car itself is not practical unless you only have a driver and 1 passenger. Ridiculous that you have to open the front doors in order to open a back door, and the rear legroom is only suited for a preteen. Even a 13 year old will struggle to fit in the back
Nice model!!
What is fuel economy for city & highway?
Good question 😁i will test it soon
Fuel consumption is comparable to piston engines so I have read. But it is very smooth, light and small. So, when running on battery power alone, there is less weight to pull improving fuel consumption to a heavy piston engined series hybrid when running from the battery alone. Excellent advantage.
Being only a _part time_ engine, the fuel consumption is not that important as rarely will the car be used using the petrol rotary engine opposed to running off the battery. Typical overall annual fuel running costs, electricity and petrol purchased, is what matters.
It was > 20% through the video when he finally allowed the guy he was "interviewing" to speak!
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Amazing.
We need those generators in South Africa for household electricity
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I really want to see the reviews of this model. I am specially curious about its performance and consumption at highway speeds. Will the rotary be enough to maintain the power at high speeds?
We will teat it soon Adrian 👍 Video will come soon
@@SDADanCarsis there any news? Do you know why it is still not available at dealers?
@@sgergov they started mass production only on 22nd June. I think it will be at the EU in October, if they sail the vessel with cars fast enough and burn a bit more of diesel, maybe in September late. :)
@@sergeysedelnikov3015 Let see
Ojalá llegue pronto a Argentina! Acá la infraestructura de electrolineras es nula!
Kind of defeats the point but i love how mazda are going rotary like the good old days
Yea true 👍
Especially since it is a 50 litre tank to get 270 more miles whereas a conventional car can get over 500 with a 50 litre rank
So its not even like its more efficient
And you don't get the benefit of it being sporty since it isn't
@@beamboy07 so this car uses 11.5ltr per 100klm ? when charging the battery with one rotor with minimal load? Are you sure
@@leethallee6718can you explain why there are 2 rotors , I can’t watch this video
@@psychiatry-is-eugenics ..... there is only one rotor.
why 2 rotors ???
Looks a lot bigger than I thought it would be .
1:01 2 rotors make it twice the size I thought it would be
Mazda , started with a good idea , and over complicated it Again
It doesn’t have two rotors - just one single Wankel rotor. Those two shiny things you see towards the back of the engine are the electricity generators.
There could be two of them; one for charging the traction battery on the fly and the other for providing electric power to the traction motors - this is conjecture - but those are definitely two generators you’re looking at.
I also suspect one of them is capable of reversing polarity and acting as a powerful starter for the rotary engine itself.
Like the Prius (which doesn’t have a conventional starter motor like ordinary cars) you will never hear this vehicle making the chattering starter motor noise like ordinary cars.
Fascinating! I suspect Mazda might be still keeping some secrets back - until the MX-30 R-EV is launched.
I used to have a Mazda MX-3 which I drove for 8.5 years. Mazda were surprisingly very quiet about the vehicle’s built in passive rear wheel steer - probably for insurance reasons at the time - but the coupe DID have it and it actually worked a treat at speed!
Several years ago Mazda had an EV that nobody wanted, so they built a range extender generator . I went to the Detroit auto show and it was on display , very similar to what is in this video - I am almost sure it was a dual rotor Wankel rotating the 2 rotors / shiny things in the video . Took me a second to realize it was Too Big ; - electric vehicles should have a Really small ice engine to heat antifreeze and generate electricity .
Thanks for responding , didn’t notice it till today August 25, 2024
@@datathunderstorm 1:01 went to a Detroit auto show several years ago .
Same monstrosity or something very similar on display
So it’s basically a Chevy Volt which had a lot of issues due to the complexity of this type of power train setup.
Thanks for feedback 👍
Toyota Prius Prime is the same thing, and they've managed it just fine. But a single rotor wankel is far more simple, no valve train.
Thing is the Volt used the GM 1.4L Ecotec engine which honestly is kind of garbage in the Cruze and Trax.
When and where mens care about the engine being too loud?
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I do. I like noiseless cars.
I am super excited about the CX-60…but as a daily runner this is too superb
Imagine the 3.3l diesel phev in a Miata :)
😁👍
Silly comment. The whole merit of the Miata is the lightweight body.
Do you need instant power? Then get a tesla performance.
The rotary engine was shelved because of not meeting EU regulations , high fuel consumption and failing rota seals. Has all this been resolved. I think I would only get one if it had a very good guarantee
Grab that rotary add 2 and make a 16x block 💥🔥
😁👍
doktorbimmer sanders van der kammen is planning his counter attack at this time.... he can not, under any circumstance, tolerate this development. You see, he's the head engineer for Lada.
He has been quiet. He must have committed suicide.
@@johnburns4017 It's hilarious- he argued with the entire internet that we'd never see another wankel motor in a car..... now, there is one, you'll be able to buy one in about 2 weeks.
@@someotherdude
He is still saying you cannot buy one. No kidding. A complete head case.
@@johnburns4017 he's going much further. He's said you'll never be able to buy one- yet that won't be true in about 2 weeks. He also said there are no commercial rotaries being made anywhere , and that isn't true either. They are used in aviation and drones.
@@someotherdude
He does need therapy for sure. I was expecting suicide.
the rex is good ,if they had put it in the rear
Why go from 35,5 kWh to 17.5ish?
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keep the cost from rising with using a new type of rotor and housing
Great should have this from the start. Now they need to design the back doors so it open normally and can open windows.
True 👍
I'm short too
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Rotary engine just to recharging the battery 😊
Yea 😁
imagine being able to run this on hydrogen......