The Raid - Why it ruined Mainstream Action Films for Me | Film Analysis
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ธ.ค. 2021
- The Raid franchise consists of two action/martial arts films I've seen in that are based in Indonesia. These films once again prove we cant sleep on foreign language film, because If we do we miss out on great films like these. In my opinion, The Raid and The Raid 2: Berandal are two of, if not the greatest, action films of all time. They completely ruined the way I view many mainstream action films. If you want to know why, hit the play button!
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Movie: The Raid. PT Merantau Films. 2011.
Movie: The Raid 2: Berandal. Sony Pictures Classics. 2014
Director: Gareth Evans
Writer: Gareth Evans
Starring: Iko Uwais, Joe Taslim, Yayan Ruhian, Donny Alamsyah, Julie Estelle, Arifin Putra, Oka Antara, Tio Pakusadewo, Alex Abbad
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Music Used: The Smith Mister - Clocks
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I would not call it so much as ruin then set the standard for what a good action movie can be
It's a terrible movie. Iko Uwai's martial arts skill is too basic. Nothing like what Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Tony Jaa can do. And Taken 2 is a far better movie than Raid 2.
Thank you for introducing me to the Raid movies. These action sequences are incredible
Oh wow, I'm glad I was able to introduce you to the movies and even more glad you liked them. They really are a cut above all.
@@sara.cbc92bait used to be believable lol
I fully agree. Foreal the Raid franchise makes other high budget action movies look like highschool film projects. Thats how enormous the gap in skill and quality is.
Yeah man, it just shows that you can't beat real action stars. They can choreograph some great scenes. Pair that with a director who actually knows how to shoot action, it's a match made in heaven.
Definitely. Anytime you take guys who have essentially dedicated aspects of their life to protecting their craft, it will be better. Hollywood actors are more drama oriented, which is why the acting may be better, but the action will probably be worse. The Raid is one of the rare instances where both the action is top teir and the acting is actually pretty decent. So it's just an all around great movie.
And thanks for those extra notes, I didn't know the one about Tsalsim and Mortal Kombat. But it makes total sense. Kinda like how Bruce Lee's moves had to be slowed down in production. Very interesting.
@@itakeonmovies and Donnie yen had to be slowed down soon to appear in John wick 4 the wests most iconic action star vs chinas👌
Same thing they had to do with Bruce Lee back in the days. I love the Jon Wick movies too, but American action stars simply just aren't on that same level. 🤷🏾♂️
The budget on The Raid: Redemption was a little over $1M USD. The average budget of MCU films is nearly 20x that, and they are blights on the art of cinema.
I think what blows my mind with The Raid 2 is that its budget was only $4.5m. It's 2 and a half hours in length and is extremely polished looking, with lots of actors, expansive in its sets & locations with complex stunt work, car chase scenes and believable cgi/prosthetics for any gore. There are Hollywood movies that have ten times the budget that don't look as good.
You are not lying at all! This is an extremely well done film given the amount of money they had to work with. It's a true testament to the director, actors who are actual choreographers/stuntmen themselves. The movie is just legendary and this fact is just another reason why. ✊🏾
Maybe because Indonesia rupiah has quite noticeable gap in currency compared to dollars the location, wage rate are quite a favor.
Well, not having to deal with unions is huge. The director mentioned that in the special features in the first movie. Also, Gareth doesn't have any Hollywood big names in either movie. That keeps the cost down big time & also helps with the authenticity of the movies. I'm guessing it's those factors coupled with Indonesians that worked hard at a bargain wage.
@@jamesgreenwood5185 fame outcompete s talent huh, says alot about society lol
@@rifqimujahid4907 Oh, boy. That's a topic that could be commented on for months! 🤣
to make it better, when The Raid 2 was about to be released, I was invited by the director to their office (was working with a known Indonesian movie magazine back then) and got to know the casts. They are REAL professional martial artists, and they were so humble that the casts didn't even think they were celebs. They arranged choreography themselves too. Simply best people in the industry. Proud of them all.
May I ask what's the name of the movie magazine? I'm just curious.
@@Hamburger_SV it's Cinemags! If you are an Indonesian you might know :)
@@linggag.a.9538 unfortunately I don't know guess I've been living under the rock since I'm Indonesian and never even heard of that magazine's name before
@@linggag.a.9538apakah Cinemagz masih terbit versi cetaknya sampai saat ini mas? Salah satu majalah favorit saya dari kecil itu
Absolute chads.
Even in John Wick 3 (although I love those movies) having watched The Raid movies made me enjoy the fight in which The Raid's actors appeared far less because I was constantly thinking "man, these dudes can move far faster than this, they are letting Keanu win"
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Yeah definitely felt like they were holding back, but I have heard some people say that it looks more realistic that way. Both great movies, but The Raid is a cut above!
@@itakeonmoviesso are they gonna said this one is not realistic? th-cam.com/video/iu6bI5KtXXc/w-d-xo.html
I would argue that The Raid films walked so that the John Wick films could run: Wick did for a mainstream audience what The Raid did for action aficionados as there is now an expectation that an actor can perform an action scene without a movie simply editing around it.
Real fights don't move as fast as they do in kungfu movies. I've worked as a professional bodyguard and even going up against people who genuinely know how to fight, most fights only last a few blows. MMA is a different thing all together. Even then they tend to be over pretty quickly with few exchanges, longer rounds are really the outlier.
I wouldn't say that The Raid ruined action movies for you, but rather that it opened your eyes. Most AAA films nowadays just do the bare minimum for fight scenes. It takes real balls to learn martial arts or other fighting styles.
Yeah you could definitely say that. I've been watching Kung fu/martial arts flicks since I can remember and there have been a few along the way thay have left me stunned. From Jet Li and Fist of Legend, Jackie Chans Legend of the Drunken Master, to Ong Bak. The Raid however, is the one that has yet to be dethroned so far. The bar is really high! ✊🏾
i'm gonna use iron man 2 for an example
when black widow is supposed to be some super assassin i can get that she doesn't get tired going through security guys
she even does some flips and moves there's choreography for "one hit kill" cheat
then she hits guys bigger than her once and they don't get up...
scarlett johansson may be hot but she ain't taking anyone down with one kick to the chest
that's the problem with mainstream movies
they make character look good by thinking you are completely stupid
This is possibly one of the most ignorant takes I’ve come across in a hot minute. And that’s in a world where flat earthers exist.
its just a dumb clickbait so people click on this video and sorry but that deserve a dislike for me.
Yeah but he needs the click batey title.
fun fact: the main villains or "final boss" for raid 1 and 2 got casted as zero's students in john wick 2 but since they were so fast in raid 1 and 2 they had to nerf their speed so they wouldnt overpower john wick in hand to hand combat
Being fair John is old and his strongest skill his use of guns.
@@Agent-57And both of the students were playing fair, same for Zero. they were fans of Wick
dude, one of them actually said John was getting slow, and the other said it was expected since John was retired for 5 years and getting old, now that dialogue just make me doesn't wanna know how terrifying John on his prime days
Wait who was the final boss
and none them went for john's wide open knees.
one of my juniors in College was part of the Raid 2 production. as part of his (my friend) assignment for his film school. One day I met him in the smoking area looking REALLY REALLY tired so I asked " yo you good man?" he said "Just finished shooting a fight scene of the raid 2. 2 WEEKS FOR A FIGHT SCENE! I'm so F-- ing tired!" I was laughing.
fast forward, some time after the movie was released, I found him again in the smoking area so I said "man that movie was badass! congrats bro! by the way that kitchen fight tho! how awesome it was for you to witness that real time!"
"bro. that was the 2 weeks scene." with a straight face.
I went speechless. and understand right away why the scene was so great.
Wkwk
Some of my Indonesian friends that are practicing and teaching silat said that Silat is basically a martial art that created to take your opponents life as fast and as effective as possible and it's almost impossible to implement it as a sport without strict regulations because how fatal and dangerous an actual silat techniques are. And i think The Raid really success on showing how deadly the martial arts can be when it used in a real life setting without any rules and regulations
That's why silat won't be part of MMA
Agree..many forms of silat move is targetting lethal point of the body for kill the opponent quickly. Thats all move banned from sports. Silat sport just allow using simply un lethal move kicks, punch, grapling, takedown.
Some of the move in this film is so inspired by traditional movement in silat. Not sport silat
that's what every bulshido master said.
It is deadly. I've trained in aikido and silat and let me tell you in silat combat you are strapped with very thicccc protector and if you kick someone head you would lose points. Also in official combat we are limited to 6 attacks move before the referee stop us. Also girls are somewhat more ruthless in these competitions.
Compared to aikido when I don't have fear accidentally dislocate someone shoulder
With certain silat techniques, I can kill an mma fighter with just a strike. Easily. MMA doesn't teach you to rip the throat of your opponent off, nor gauge your opponent's eyes off. Nor breaking your opponent's bones and render him paralyzed forever, or even death. Silat does teach you that. Silat teaches you on how to kill your opponents any ways possible, not that mcgregor bullshit mma sport shows on tv. it's not a sport, it's not even what you can simply call as a martial art. it's an art of war, an art of killing your enemies. of course you can't compare mma for fun/sport to an art specially used to truly kill without mercy such as silat.
The influence of these 2 movies can be seen in every action film since them. John Wick is definitely a child of The Raid.
I can definitely see this. And to be honest they couldn't pick a worse franchise to be influenced by. 🙏🏾
John wick is clearly honk Kong and man from nowhere influence/ His name is reference to john woo.
You make a good point here.
@@emptyblank099a the gun fun scene though, pretty much using the raid's technique when they shooting it. The fluidity of camera movement can be seen so clearly everytime John Wick does his action.
@@emptyblank099a actually the name comes from one of the producer s uncle
as an Indonesian, it's quite fun that the raid franchise are still being talked about to this day.
I remember in 2011 at the theater I saw the poster of the raid 1 film and looked at it cynically and thought this was a "cheap" film. Honestly, I'm sorry and happy that I was wrong about that, lol. and about Raid 2 though i was quite "anxious" for fear it would spoil the quality of the raid 1 and again i glad i was wrong again.
now i quite understand why gareth evans was quite careful with raid 3 projects (he neither vehemently denied nor will make a third) yeah because these two films are at the top level for the action genre.
These films definitely deserve to be talked about, probably more than they are! I felt the same with The Raid 2, but in my opinion it only ended up being better than the first film! Im happy to say Indonesia is home to the best martial arts/action film ive seen. '✊🏾
I tought the same will happen as was with Banlieu 13 and it will just be seen as something cool that happened in a lower note. It was nice to see it really become mainstream, it mostly did because there was no action film coming from hollywood so they put money behind Raid when it started to blow up.
@@itakeonmovies The Raid is an all time classic. My favourite martial arts movie ever. Even that first action scene is incredible. My hot take is the Raid is better than the raid 2. It’s a nice tight 1hr30mins of action and suspense.
Yes. How gareth almost never talk about Raid 3 goes to show that he's afraid the next one will kill all the hype.
gareth kayak takut ngerusak hype raid 1 dan raid 2. Harus konsultasi sama sutradara John Wick kayaknya soalnya franchise JW sukses mempertahankan animo penonton sampe yang ke 4.
@@itakeonmovies I can't say raid 2 is better.... Its very different. As a pure thrill ride Raid 1 is better, as a genuinely good story with the Best one on one fight I've ever seen.... Raid 2 is better.
ALL THINGS Considered ill watch both thanks 😊
I don't understand how the director / writer of the Raid movies Gareth Evans hasn't had a big break in Hollywood yet, he's leagues ahead of so many more famous directors
probably received lots of offers, but turned down
@@NinjaShadow47 yeah.. his name is known thorough the Action movie industry. Bet he got tons of offer but with the same amount of pressure
He's even refused to make the Raid 3...
He did a respectable, yet under the radar horror movie called Apostle. Plus he is involved as the producer in the show Gangs of London.
@@AndoaintheMartyr it nice to know a director who only make quality movies and not just milking a franchise
I think one of the reason why the Raid is better in terms of your typical Hollywood blockbuster action is that instead of casting a popular/marketable actor and telling them to choreograph certain moves, it's the other way around, the actor was cast based in large part for their martial art skills. Like a lot of the main actors in the raid was/is actually a professional martial artists and not necessarily known for their career in showbiz. kind of like the kungfu movies in the 90s
I watched this and I'm like man... I miss movies like this where CGI doesn't take up most of the action scenes.
Yeah man, the choreographers and actors are actual martial artists, huge bonus when it comes to how the action sequences look. Less CGI, less strings, more fluidity. Can't beat it!
Same bruh, when I watched this I was like damn… I missed movies where characters actually bleed…
These movies took me back to the times I first watched Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee movies as a kid. The fighting is so fluid and focused, I never lose track of where anyone is or what they're doing and all the hits feel so jarringly hard. What makes it better is that the protagonist isn't untouchable. Rama gets hurt constantly and takes a lot of damage and its only his will power that keeps him going. Gives a really gritty feel to the fights, that he could really die at any time if he loses focus.
I completely agree. Bruce Lee and Jackie changed weren't just great martial artists, but they were great choreographers as well. The same goes for Iko Wais, Yayan Ruihan and the choreographers for the raid films. And another great point. Rama definitely felt pretty realistic. He struggled and wore down I'm fights especially in the first film. A great touch becasue it genuinely raises the stakes. Great points, thank you!! 🙏🏾
Cannot agree more
Jackie got better and better as time pass bye and peak at mid 80s to 90s. There where lot of direct physicality in his actions.His end fight in drunken master 2 was the best fight among all the fight in martial art movies . I didn't think stars nowadays can put up with such physicality like Jackie did until, I saw raid. The cast gave their all for those action and I love them for it.
@Cameron Matlock i have to disagree on that . movie fight and real life fights are completely different ball game. movie fights are choreograph fights so everything is planned so you can put whatever you want and how long you want real fights are short and unplanned.. bruce lee had the most experiance in real life and was also kinda of a bully who always want to fight and prove his dominance , jackie on the other hand came from acrobat theatre where they learn choreograph fights thats why his fights looks so enjoyable but that doesnt mean he isn't tough , the stunts he did and the damage he has taken is insane. he is one tough son of a gun and he also had street fights and knows lots of type of martial arts . he and bruce lee are of same height and weight so we have a fight in there with bruce lee having the upper hand . its like bruce would win the first fight. lko on the other hand is not in the same lv of these two . there is a lot of speed and power missing here
Good point. maybe that's why everytime i rewatch Jackie Chan or Bruce Lee movie i never bored to it
Two other things about the Raid movies that make them more believable for me; one, Rama takes his lumps throughout the entire movie both times. He doesn't just coast through the minions and only break a sweat for the boss battle, he gets the snot beaten out of him every step of the way and has to really fight for his life throughout. Further, you really get a sense of remorse from him when he has to kill someone; that haunted look in his eyes every time is a signature element of his character as a God-fearing man who hates having to end someone's--anyone's--life. He is not a machine, he has emotions and feelings and I like that about Rama.
I have yet not seen any action movies better then the Raid series, it's a shame they didn't make Part 3
Still til this day, I haven't either.
Gareth Evans, the director, presumably considered that The Raid 1 and 2 CANNOT be topped by another sequel. His plan to make The Raid 3 was consequently cancelled.
I am still dreaming about The Raid 3....
I've been wishing for Raid 3 for years 😔
Dont to hope a lot,,its way to far,,,,maybe is not be able to produce becouse the second one is way to high,so the third must be better than the second one.
The director already said regarding this in an interview that he has moved on from this chapter of his life. So I guess slim chance it's gonna happen.
However, he kind of gives some spoiler if The Raid 3 ever gonna happen, it's gonna be located in jungle and involve some martial artist who trained in deep jungle.
can we make hastag to the raid 3 like #snyderscut?
I'll start #weneed #raid3
I remember hearing that old martial arts movies used a wide angle lens and very few cuts to save money, but it ended up making their action scenes far superior to American action movies at the time (using actual martial artists rather than Hollywood actors undoubtedly helped to).
The Raid movies (totally agree, they are my favorite action and martial arts movies of all time) are what happens when a director and cinematographer follow in the spirit of those old kung-fu movies but use modern cinematography techniques sparingly and with discipline to enhance, rather than detract, from the action.
Really top level stuff.
I beleive that. Every old school Kung fu movie looks that way. I also think they knew they had actual martial artists who could perform the moves. Less need for all these different cuts and angles.
The Raid franchise is another great example of this. Great info here man I appreciate it. ✊🏾
Tho having talented martial artist that looks good on camera also played a part imo.
Its not kungfu,, it is silat, traditional of indonesia material arts
@@tilkadwisa1014
They're talking about the old kung fu movie techniques which resembles or even adopted into/by the raid movie camera technique & choreography, they're not talking about the martial arts used in the raid.
Next time try to read anything slowly because even I know that your reading comprehension(especially in english) is a little bit problematic.
I think one of the things that really blew my mind was, I think in an interview, they were talking about the fight between the Sgt and mad dog. There was a tad bit of conflict in that both actors had two different skill sets when it came to martial arts and instead of having the actors learn completely different fighting techniques and styles they blended the knowledge of both into that fight scene. Overall the raid movies were definitely one of the dopest things my eyes ever had the pleasure of watching.
Most of the actor are martial artist, the mad dog himself is a silat master(indonesian martial art), iko uwais is former martial art athlete and joe taslim is a former international judo athlete for indonesia national team, that's why they look so natural
What I like about the choreography is that almost every fight scene is trying to make it realistic. Like in some fighting movies we have this protagonist somehow always have eyes on the back of their head when an enemies attack them from behind. The raid fixes that with the fighters always look first before attacking, Also in the raid you, you can see that the main character is always like waving around his hand anticipating for a block or a dodge to make the scene like he is not a superhero that know exactly when or where to parry and counter for the next move. Also when you watched a fighting scene when you have multiples enemies around you. Somehow in the background there will always be idling waiting to attack, the raid successfuly trying to eliminate all the cost of that idle and making every enemy always have some action to do like running towards the protagonist or any kind of action to make it seem that they are not just waiting and idling in the background.
The art of fighting in this movie is great and I love it.
The Raid came out in the high time of superhero films, and yet blew away so many minds. Till it kinda became a subgenre of action films. It's amazing and incredible!
I agree. At first I thought I just liked it because there was nothing out there like it at the time, but here we are almost 15 years later and it's still the pinnacle for me.
was always interesting to me the similarities of the raid and dredd (the good one)- apparently they both began development the same time iirc and it was just a weird chance.
Superhero films? You mean high budget superhero tv shows?
@@tryingtotryistryingcame out before superhero films became giant lol. It came out before Iron Man 1, and it wasn't really until the first Avengers that superhero movies became so immensely popular.
I'm editing this to be more clear- I disagree with you. avengers broke records for sure, but superman, batman, spiderman, blade, the X-Men and I'm sure more I'm forgetting about were all major movie SERIES (which don't normally get made unless they're popular/profitable and those aren't cheap to make) some decades before avengers. Batman got McDonalds in the Batmobile- doesn't get more mainstream popular than that, right? avengers really succeeded at hyping itself up as a big event, which is cool but yeah it was just the most recent and benefited from having social media behind it where the other movies were too early to have that.
That fight with the assassin will forever be the greatest martial arts sequences I've ever seen.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the soundtrack representing both ramas desperation and determination.
For example in that assassin fight, when the assassin pulls out his karambits, you can see rama repeatedly attempt to disarm him, and every time he fails the music gets more chaotic, but as soon as Rama finally gets control of one of the blades, the music gets more controlled and bombastic as Rama gains the ability to kill the assassin
I think. Its definitely one of them if not the best. This is such a great observation though. I think musical scores are often some of the most forgotten about aspects in film. And this seens score is definitely like a character in its own right. I literally rewatched it after reading your comment lol. Thanks for this!! ✊🏾
That is also an all time favourite for me. The music is just perfect, the skills are impeccable and the desperation at the end is legendary.
@@itakeonmovies it won't be as famous as Enter the Dragon or as memed as the matrix (for good reason both) but I can't say I've ever seen a fight with better skill, choreography, story, emotion and art than Rama vs Assassin
@@bengough6772 Fun fact, Mad Dog literally made as a meme, Chuck Norris-styled meme, to the point that the actor (Yayan Ruhian) fed up with Mad Dog character lmao.
Bro , i need to rewatch this again
I love the first movie because of just how simple the story is.
A high rise apartment full of criminals and the boss is at the very top.
It sort of relates to video games which most of us have experienced before.
The apartment floor levels are like mini stages and mini bosses in our games.
And the final boss fight is there as well. So good.
According to my Indonesian friend who recommended the first film to me and to our fellow martial enthusiasts in college. We were told that most, if not, all of the stunt actors in the films were people who have experience with some form martial arts, that's why the execution of the moves were well choreographed (which we absolutely loved and were stunted from any brutal move/moments shown, incl. the moments of fatigue/injuries as you've stated).
This really does takes me back, I look forward to rewatch the first film and its sequel (I haven't watched the latter).
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Another action film I sincerely enjoy (and love rewatching is R.E.D. and R.E.D. 2) XD
Sweet, tqvm for sharing. I'll be checking them out too. 💕🙏🏻
@@nickyadamh4181 Sergant Jaka
raid 2 kitchen scene is pretty much unmatched.. however “the night comes for us” as an entire piece may be my favorite action film from Iko and his team
You know I'm not even mad at that. Another great film. The only reason I consider The Raid films above that is becasue it captures the same level of action while feeling mostly grounded in reality. The Night Comes For Us definitely feels like I'm watching a movie as some of the action is outlandish..lol. Just my opinion though and still an amazing film!! ✊🏾
Yo The Night Comes For Us to me was actually better than Raid 2 as far as action goes.
tncfu is a tryhard version, lame
@@ishakadriansyah8085 I tend to agree with you, it's like a 13 year old's fan fiction version of The Raid. Directing not as good, choreography not as tight, they just up the gore and add lesbian assassins for cheap thrills
These people above expecting TNCFU to be a same thing with The Raid, while what they were trying to do was a whole different thing, it's on you if it didn't live up to your expectations. TNCFU made by whole different director, another artist that obviously has his own style and approach from Gareth Evans. Everyone else knows Timo Tjahjanto works from the very beginning has always included over the top violence and gore, heck his first feature was a slasher flick (co-directed with Kimo Stamboel). TNCFU tried to incorporate martial arts action with slasher and body horror, with the main character being this beast monster like in a horror movie, and the movie did what it was trying to do. TNCFU never tried to be like The Raid films, and will never be like one, it's basically a whole different concept while having the similar DNA.
The Raid 1 and 2 and The Night Comes For Us. Three of the best action movies ever made. Change my mind.
I won't be the one to change your mind d becasue I agree with you..lol ✊🏾
yea agreed. shame tho Iko hasnt done a ton of films like them alot of them waste his talents
@@yulaw5110 omg did you see Fist Of Vengeance? I couldn't even finish it
@@rickyward6675 same, the raid 1-2 and TNCFU was amazing not just because iko uwais, all the actors are amazing
Exactly. Actors and unique directing style. Great films. ✊🏾
My eyes were opened when I first saw raid redemption as a kid. We bought the movie from our local bootlegger. We would pick one movie for each family member and when it was my dad's turn he picked up this little gem- Changed my view on action movies for ever
The camera work is amazing! They track movements that make me feel more immersed. The scene where they cut through the floor follows the axe, and when Iko regains consciousness the camera stays locked to his frame of view. Saw the raid three times in the theater when it came out and there were not many people there but the audience was floored.
Oh, I remember the time I watched it at theater.
Just as you said, only few people watched it.
But all of them, including me, can't stop the adrenaline rush after it finished.
I vividly remember that after I watch that movie, I want to fight somebody so bad (I'm also a silat practitioner so..).
I'm glad nothing happened, tho.
i feel like a lot of action movies actor when they do combat scenes, they dont look tired at all. But in this movie you can see it clearly the struggle, the effort, and the tired face of the characters when they fight
Exactly and this is one of the best aspects of this film. You can tell when the characters are getting tired or fighting off of adrenaline. Or fighting composed. Most action films there is one speed for everything.
you know what.. the struggle, then combined with the camerawork, it's really make their tired face really really believeable, and made me tired as well while watching the movie haha.
i mean i can't forget how the raid is different from other action movies, because i can feel the punch, i can feel how tired the fight, it just like i'm watching there in the movie.
the movie is trying to look like it's real, they want you to "feel" a fight/movie, not just watch a fight/movie
@@khrimul2757so true
I thought _The Raid_ was so good that I was a bit apprehensive about the sequel, thinking it could never live up to the first one. But wow - I thought _Raid 2_ was significantly better, and the bar was already set so high!
This was me exactly. I felt like "how are they gonna top that?" And then was completely blown away. Such a great work of art! ✊🏾
To be honest, I prefer the final fight in The Raid than the Raid 2. Rama seems so skilled that he has the upper hand most of the time in the fight against Assassin, whom should be a fearsome enemy.
Nevertheless, it was indeed one of the best martial arts movie and a worthy sequel to The Raid
Thats a good point. There's a little less drama becasue he's pretty much in charge most of the battles. I can't really judge them on which is better. I think they both are great fight scenes. More drama in Raid 1 final scene, better choreography and cinematography in The Raid 2 final fight. Idk they're both excellent scenes.
@@FurqanaFathuzzaman interesting perspective on the final Raid 2 fight; I do agree he’s in more control than in the first Raid but it still feels incredibly intense to me. Maybe he controlled that fight ( and the bat boy / hammer girl fight preceding it) because he was in full no-fucks-given “ I am so close to going home to my family and none of you are going to stop me” mode 😄
@@FurqanaFathuzzaman You got a point, but for me, Rama has been in living hell in the jail so I guess he got better there.
jason bourne series destroyed action films with 100 cuts per second, and the raid repaired action films back with 1 cut per minute.
I used to like JB films until the Raid films came and realized how sheeetty Hollywood was with action films😊
I remember watching on the day it come out, the movie come out along winter soldier, but almost no one watching the marvel film, that alone is already amazing in my opinion, but the most amazing thing I ever experienced at the cinema, is when the last duel in the kitchen scene ended, there's a moment of silence and everyone genuinely clapping their hands, some even standing up, even though that's not the end of the movie, but really, amazing experience
It really is amazing how such low budget films compared to their Hollywood counterparts are truly far superior
Yeah a high budget doesn't automatically make a film superior. Some of the best films i've seen over the years have been relatively low budget films
One of my favourite examples of this is universal soldier: day of reckoning. Scott adkins rampage at end in incredible and blows most Hollywood films away and all for $8m
Ive seen some of the 'making of' and choreography vids for the Raid 1+2 and the skill of Iko Uwais is incomparable. What a beast for real, a true master of his craft. Seeing the work that goes into those scenes makes them even more epic to watch in the films.
Yes the skill of him and Yaya are essentially what made the movie what it is. They choreographed most of the main fight sequences.
The final fight scene in The Raid 2 is literally breathtaking.
I advise anyone who hasn’t seen that film to refrain from watching clips, and instead watch it in it’s entirety in one sitting. Experiencing the way each subsequent fight scene increases in intensity is one of the greatest cinematic experiences you will ever have.
Watched both and I'm all aboard with the arguments you laid out. Although I wholeheartedly appreciate the carefully crafted spectacle of pt. 2, and the effort they also put in making the story a bit more complex this time, I'm gravitating more towards the pt. 1, and its raw, dirty, simple but effective structure. The 1st Raid is a masterpiece of "less is more", or "show, don't tell", where the plot is extremally easy to follow, giving more room to enjoy the exquisite action pieces it has to offer.
I don't think I can successfully argue against the 1st being the superior film for all of the reasons you've laid out. I think while the movies follow the same characters, similar direction styles, and even continue the story, they are completely different films. Both great in their own ways.
I personally gravitate towards the 2nd a bit more because I liked the more complex story, and I also think the direction and fight scenes are a bit more memorable as hard as that may be to believe.
Both are a cut above the rest though, I know that much! ✊🏾
I agree. Movies like The Raid and The Raid 2 should be enjoyed and analyzed as they were: Action movies.
Sometimes I watch (not many though) people complain on yt about the plot. While valid, IMO the plot in this premise only needs to provide context and continuity. It doesn't have to be mind blowing in terms of the plot. Otherwise, I'd rather watch a sci-fi or even thriller movie.
The only good recent Hollywood movies regarding fight scene (bar John Wick franchise) is Captain America: The Winter Soldier, which was also influenced by The Raids.
I couldn't agree more. I think I agree the plot of The Raid, the first film is simple, but it's also really effective. It's a thrill ride from beginning to end. Raid 2 is a bit more complicated, but I think it works. It's got a better story than many action films out there.
Also agree, with John Wick. Another great action film. Practical effects and stunt work. And a lot of people don't realize how good the fight scenes are in Winter Soldier either. Great observstions! ✊🏾.
Complex plots absolutely ruin action movies.
If you look at the greatest action movies ever made, the plots are extremely simple yet perfectly executed.
@@mytwosense9135 I agree for a part, which is why judging an action movie by its plot first is kinda strange.
Although it doesn't mean an action movie cannot have a plot; doesn't need to be overly complex, but coherent enough to carry the movie forward.
where was it mentioned both are influenced by the raid? i wanna read it
@@pineapplelord2422 best I can find is th-cam.com/video/417xWGHrcYA/w-d-xo.html
particularly 1:13
The Raid movies are among my top films to recommend to others, and I don't believe we would have films like John Wick and Nobody had they never been made.
I agree. Jon Wick is one of the few American films that holds up and I think that's because it was greatly influenced by The Raid films. ✊🏾
Jackie Chan nailed it when he said that you don’t have to do as many cuts when the actors really know how to fight.
As Indonesian, its a common thing that me/ourself under apreciate our own action movies domesticly. Due it's cheap budget and our experience to make good movies or to be consider a great one, its not like Hollywood ect.. But i begin grown of optimism when i see Iko Uwais first action movie at Merantau. That is where his martial arts and career starting to shine. Then Raid shows up. Your insight and analysist be such an opening eyes for me too. This review changed my perspective and wisdom personally. Thank you. (sorry for bad spelling & grammars).
The cut scenes in a fight break down is super informative didn’t realize what I was watching, but now I won’t be able to unsee it 💯 Amazing content, voice over delivery is inspiring.
Yeah man, not knocking the cuts, but sometimes there's too many lol and you can definitely tell the difference. Always appreciate the support brother. 🙏🏾
I completely agree, when I first watch The Raid as a teenager I was completely blown away.. Of how fluid the fight scenes were.. Raid 2 even magnify it even more... Now everytime I watch an action film I look to see how many cuts the fight scenes will have and how fluid and natural the fights will look
even the car chase in Raid 2 was pretty sick
100%. It was perfectly choreographed!
Gareth Evans is the most underrated director out there. Since the first raid movie came out, so many other directors have learned a lot about the story within a story aspect of fight sequences. He got a chance to show this again in the hyper violent Gangs of London. Some of the fight scenes (and the entire ‘cottage’ episode) were incredible. It’s no wonder Tom Hardy was so enthusiastic about working with him on their upcoming Netflix movie.
May I ask which movie is that?
@@jahbless4ever Oops. I should have mentioned that. Sorry. It's called HAVOC. No current trailer for it, but as with all of his films... it's been in post for a while now. (He edits a lot of his own stuff).
@@jbstorey7223 ok thanks
The Raid films are truely revolutionary. I remeber the early days of Jackie c, Donnie yen and Tony jaa. Alot of the action classics followed the same principle with not overly cutting the sequences. It totally makes all the difference and you get to actually see the choreography in the purest form. Tony Ja's "the protector" film is a great example of this. Awesome vid bro! Keep it up 👍
Yeah I think what The Raid has going for it ultimately is the direction. The films do a really good job of blending style, without compromising the action. It feels fresh and updated. Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen and Jaa are all legends as well, but as an example The Protector when it came out was revolutionary. But at almost 15 years later some of it doesn't hold up as well. Mainly the story, the acting and the direction. The choreography and Action is still great though. And to your point about the massive amounts of cuts in action movies, the no cut stair scene in The Protector is one of the best of all time.
@@itakeonmovies if you haven't yet, you should watch the making of that no cut scene, everything that went into that is amazing
Jackie, tony jaa and then iko uwais & all the raid teams they all introduce us about the real action movie
Can't get enough watching ong bak
Thanks for putting voice to the thoughts in my head re: The Raid franchise. They are top tier peak action / art due to all of the things ( fighting skill, characters, camera work, choreography, music, editing ) that were executed with such care and detail. I try to get awareness of this series out to as many people as I can ; it deserves that and more.
It's truly my pleasure and I feel the same way. When I first saw these movies they instantly became some of my favorites. Anytime someone asks for a reccomendation of a great action film, it's the first one I tell them about.
I don't know much about personal life of the director or whether he had in-depth help and insight on the world of violence. But you can tell the movie was made by people who know what it's like to actually fight in real life which is what makes it the best action film in terms of realism. It's getting a glimpse into the world most people will never experience or want to. Almost like a mini documentary along for the ride of a story.
the choreo director, iko uwais himself, mad dog, and yayan ruhian is actual silat parcticioner.
And oh boy indonesian silat world is hard, especially back in their young days.
Iko uwais actually talk about this in a podcast, its in indonesian tho.
Bcoz in indonesia common that kind of fight that he direct watch , even middleschool student in that country brawl with machette and chopping each other in street every day
@@sheldonjunior7467chopping chopping di jalan gak tuh wkwkwk
The Raid director was obsessed with Asian and martial arts films when he was growing up. He basically knows every film. He was also big anime fan. He learnt how to make films by watching many films
This is what happens when you have a Welsh documentary style director and Indonesian martial arts actors and actresses make a movie together.
I watched both movies at the cinema...incredible. part 2 was INSANE. the fight in the kitchen got a round of applause from whole cinema. Possibly best martial arts scene ever
I had the pleasure of seeing both in theaters as well and til this day not sure if any action movie experience has topped this one. And I agree, the kitchen scene should be taught in school somewhere, but to be honest a lot of scenes in this franchise could be. The Alleyway scene in Raid 2, the final fight in Raid 1. All brilliant.
I never had applause or verbal appreciation in cinemas here. Most i got are gasps or a weak awww (other than laughter obviously)
Worst thing about that Taken fight scene is how often the 180 degree rule is broken for no good reason at all. Sometimes Liam is on the left side, sometimes on the right. There's no spinaroonee of the camera or of the characters to warrant that side switching.
Exactly! On a technical level, it really is abysmal lol. I really have to suspend logic and belief while watching it. In The Raid you really don't have to do that.
Movies like the Raid are unique unlike typical Hollywood movies, producer isn't afraid to do things that none directors nowdays would do
These are absolutely two of my favorite movies. This was my favorite martial arts franchise since Ong-Bak. The influence of The Raid movies is felt in Atomic Blonde and John Wick too.
100%. I’m surprised how unknown this film is still. I’ve said it as well. This has raised the bar. I remember opening day of Raid 2. There was only 3 people total in the theater.
Yeah it's like on one hand I'm glad I can still introduce people to this, but it's also crazy they just don't already know about it. And same. I can count on 1 hand how many people saw this in my theater. Shame.
Not a hollywood franchise, right.. so yeah, less promotion like a month before it release
The brutality is unreal. This is the only movie that even after rewatching and knowing that it's a movie, I still grimace.
What I notice is also the sound design in the fight, you always feels the weight and mostly quiet otherwise, or the bgm is not intrusive.
I guess when they say fight is gruesome and feral, you get the raid
I agree 100 percent here. I still feel the stakes when I'm watching this even though I know what's going to happen. I think the brutality has a lot to do with that as it really feels like these dudes are fighting for their lives. A true testament to the choreography and direction. ✊🏾
Age ain't really an issue, just look at Jackie Chan as he only started to reduce / to slow down on doing the stunts by himself when he was around 45 to 50-ish but still hasn't fully stopped on doing so, even in "The Foreigner" (2017) he still did some of his own stunts.
*The second issue is the main culprit here.*
Totally agree with everything you said, and a couple of things to add: use of wider camera angles helps us to understand how each shot relates to each other and the environment, and the shaky hand-held camera is there but it works because of how it moves with the action and the impacts in the fight
Raid 1 was ground breaking. Raid 2 was earth shattering.
The Raid and John Wick are the pinnacle of action films. They need to have Gareth Evans direct a Wick spinoff.
I agree with this. And a Rama and Wick team up, directed by Evans? Would be a dream come true.
John Wick’s fight scene is not convincing. I like Keanu but he doesn’t make it look good or even close to realistic, you can tell he’s just acting.
I love the raid movies especially the first one, it felt like a psychological horror movie with a lot of action, something not easy to accomplish but Raid did it and surprised us. Still better than any high budget Hollywood movie like marvel movies.
Definitely! Its such a simple concept, but perfect for an action film. The fact the action is actually next level is just a bonus!
The Raid franchise has the perfect mix of elegant and gritty when it comes to action. They didn't take away the "beauty" of the martial art for the sake of being brutal and realistic.
You're absolutely right. The films overall direction and aesthetic are amazing!
Completely agree and the following seals your point: I've heard that in the premiere of the movie, the cinema equipment failed so Iko and the assassin actor performed the final fight on stage and looked so great and realistic that people broke on applause. That's how well the perform. Looks good even in person.
The scenes in each fight in this film are very detailed, like seeing a fight that has emotions even though it's just acting. I appreciate and agree that The Raid 1 & 2 films are very good. Every move, music, effects, colors, camera, crew and more, all played out in detail.
Even I pay attention to the small details in every second, it's lifelike and nuanced real life.
I agree with everything you've said here. That's what makes this film great the attention to detail is phenomenal. Every fight sequences feels like these people are actually fighting for their lives.✊🏾
The same team did another movie "the Night Comes for Us," that is honestly, an even split between an action movie and a horror movie. The injuries are so freaking graphic, Eli Roth beats off to it. A glorious continuation of the Raid traditions is excellence
When I first saw The Night Comes For Us, I was worried, because I didn't want to look at those actors or characters differently if it was trash. But boy I was worried for nothing because that movie was amazing too. Definitely more of less realistic, comic book kinda vibe, but wonderful action sequences nonetheless and extremely violent. Eli Roth forsure has it cued up before bedroom activities.
Yup they shuold bring the team n director to hollywood istead jus the actor
Great video, The Raid blew my frikkin mind in the cinema when it came out.... I'd never seen anything like it, and I agree that hardly any other action films have come close to the level of The Raid films
I love showing the raid to people who’ve never seen it. They’re always amazed by how real it feels.
1 thing about 1st movie that i really like,where most action movies(especially martial art) never really do is how the protagonist is shown to be scared. the part where rama n his friend hiding from machete gang leader n when he running away from them are example of that
I agree. You could tell Rama would have ran first if he could have. Only using his martial arts as a necessity. Not only smart filmmaking, but true filmmaking. 👍🏽
“Give me the ball” lives rent free in my mind. The Raid is greatest action movie ever.
Is it bad I wished there was more of that character in the film? Lol
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It'd be great to have some sort or prequel with back stories for Hammergirl and Baseball Bat Man, or even all the other top assassins! Even though these two characters are only in the film for a short time they're iconic!
I'd definitely pay money to watch that. Hammer girl and Baseball Bat Man obviously have a connection that would be cool to explore. Prakoso would have a cool backstory too. ✊🏾
I've always been into martial arts and action movies, my entire life. I'm 43 now and about 15 years ago when this movie came out my high school girlfriend sent me a message. We broke up on bad terms and hadn't spoken in over 12 years, but she felt it was necessary to contact me after she saw this in the theater in Texas. All she said was "You need to see this movie". I thank her every time I watch a Sagawa action movie now.
I can add nothing to your analysis, except to say, here here! ✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
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The camera man may as well be God in the Raid movies
Man your not lying. Otherworldly camera work. 💯
I love how visceral the fight scenes feel in the Raid films.
Absolutely the best part of the films!
I definitely agree with you about high amount of cuts. One of my favorite action scenes was done in one cut. But one cut isn't always necessary. Using them concisely is always best.
Raw, brutal, uncomfortable and uncompromising. This is why this is my favorite martial arts/action franchise.
I don't bother watching action films that have so many cuts. I've grown to love Indonesian action films, especially those featuring Iko, for their brutality not just in terms of blood but in their cinematography.
Yeah I dont mind watching action movies or scenes that do have tons of cuts. Like I mentioned parts of me still even enjoys those Liam Neeson films which have a billion cuts. The thing is, I would never be able to look at them the same as I would a movie like The Raid. Its just leagues above those other films. So while I can still watch American action films they have been ruined in the sense that I'm always comparing them in the back of my head.
@@itakeonmoviesIt was such a subtle difference for so long for me. I couldn't pin down why I loved fight scenes in some films but got bored of them in others. I grew up loving a bunch of American action classics, and I'd be interested to see if they land the same way now. Die Hard and The Terminator, among many Arnie films, are the shit I loved when I watched them with my dad as a child. We watched so many of the films that made the cast of the Expendables films famous. I know The Expendables franchise isn't awesome, but I still love going to watch every one of them with my dad. We still go to every new Rambo. One of the highlights of my adult life was showing him the first John Wick and seeing every sequel with him.
I've just channelled my inner child who now has money and told my dad I'm shouting him tickets and snacks to go see the fourth Expendables film this weekend. As a film, I don't expect much. As a nostalgic bonding experience, I can't fucking wait and he's stoked, too.
FD Signifier pointed me your way I love your thoughts about this film franchise. As another person who enjoys international action films, the Raid's energy, choreography and overall intent to give more excitement with minimal cuts makes many North American fight scenes pale in comparison (at times, not all the time since films films like the Undisputed franchise, and even Shang Chi, still cut the mustard). I love these films and hopefully you'll do more martial arts related content in the future.
One thing to note for lots of Asian filmmakers (and non-Asians who dabble in action like Gareth Evans, Michael Jai White, Chad Stahelski, etc), one of the biggest keys as to why these kinds of action films are good is because the film crew, production crew, directors and choreographers all ways film the action with the cuts and edits already in their heads. Back in the 80s and 90s for North American martial arts action sometimes, directors with no action experience just force the actors to shoot one fight in 1 angle, and the same fight in the other angle, and again and again, and then they'd splice it up. :(
Well thanks for stopping by and also dropping a great comment. I want my channel to focus on a lot of films, but also movies that may not get much shine otherwise. Which will include martial arts films from all over. I feel like it's a genre that rarely gets looked at from an analytical perspective.
But you're also right in regards to how the films are shot. I think North American mainstream action films tend to care more about the typical stuff people like to see as opposed to being innovative and creative. The Raid franchise was shot in such a creative way and that's what changes it from good action to great action. I will definitely be touching on more action/martial arts films in the near future. Thank you! 🙏🏾
Why did FD recommend this?
Great video man. I love these two films so much. Gareth Evans work on the tv Gangs of London is fantastic as well.
Totally agree with this, The raid's fight scenes set a very high bar for every other action film imo
The Raids showing us the situation detail in a real fight.
Of course they know someone who've experience it before to understand.
In this movie, they show us if one stab from a knife can't instantly kill you.
But more than that, you can still moving your body to fight back for a moment.
I think this little detail is actually needed in every action movies out there.
Comparing to other action movies who just eliminates every antagonist in one stab or shoot, The Raid is way more understandable and make sense.
Right, and
THE RAID 1. (BRUTAL)
THE RAID 2. (BRUTAL)
THE NIGHT COME FOR US. (BRUTAL VIOLENT).
These 3 films depict battles in the real which are only for "Killing" not for martial arts. If you pay attention to the way the machete gang swings their weapons, it's like people who are angry in real life.
There are only several franchises that comes to my mind with regards to action;
Gunfights = The Killer, Hardboiled, John Wick series, Nobody
Close Quarter fights = The Raid duology, Rurouni Kenshin series
I don't think any of these films has ever been topped yet when it comes to action and rush.
I've see. All of these accept for The Killer, but it looks good. All I can day is The Raid is top teir. The Night Comes For Us, Jon Wick, Nobody and some of the Ong Bak franchise are all great too, but this is a cut above.
The Final Master has some beautiful choreography, and is overall a great film
Drunken master 2 jacky and fist of legend jet very good choreography
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Me, as Indonesian watching the raid, its just good.
After seeing this film really affecting you, even your taste on action movies and bare minimum for action movies. I think I should see more action movies and I really underestimate the raid series. Thank you
As an Indonesian, I am very proud that these movies are really appreciated globally. And true, that all of those stunt men were truly martial artists. My brother was one of them. He was one of the stunt men who fought Iko at the prison fight scene in The Raid 2. He was killed by Iko in that scene, and I am very proud of him….😅😅😅
I agree man. I seen these raid movies YEARS and years ago. Movies like John wick might be one of the few only mainstream Hollywood movies that TRY and make the fighting look real.
Definitely. I still like a lot of the action films we see in mainstream cinema, but none of them compare on a serious level
Thank God I thought I was the only one I always say the fights were alright but nothing tops The Raid series
Definitely not the only one my friend. I still til this day haven't seen fight sequences as good lol
Thanks for the tip! Never heard of those movies and since I love Jackie Chan's movies because of the fluidity and "lack of too many cuts", these are getting instantly on my Movie TOSEE list :) Thx again.
No slow mo or shaky cam just ruthless display of pure skill is why these two movies are works of art
I wholeheartedly agree. The fight scenes are used to enforce the themes of the movie, in that power corrupts. Fights usually start off clean, but eventually become scraps. Even the Mad Dog fight in the first movie show just how a fight, which is usually idealized to be honorable amongst men, can quickly turn into a dogfight. In the second movie, we see two skilled characters duel using kerambits, which are blades modeled after nature. Two predators preying on one another. Eventually, Rama gives into corruption (it is implied) because there can always be a bigger predator out there, one that Rama may not be able to handle. Even though he's the biggest predator in the ecosystem, so far, he can't beat the ecosystem on his own. Wow.
Wow! This is perfect. In my breakdown I focus largely on the action, but The Raid and Raid 2 are just great films in general, in so many ways. The connection between the action scenes and themes is a great take and one I agree with. I think the stories overall are simple, but definitely still say something about the underworlds of our societies. Using that whole premise as the backdrop for some of the best action ever recorded on film, is a winning combination. Most action films don't succeed at having both a great story and great action, and some barely succeed at one of those.
I remember watching the raid with original audio. No dub. No subtitles. Blown the fuck away. The action tells the story and the action is unreal.
Same. I had the privilege of seeing both films in the theater, no dub or anything. Two of the best theater experiences in my life.
I think it also helps that Gareth Evans edits the movies himself. Also, both movies look 100x what their budget is.
2 minutes into THE vid I noticed the Props of Silver/Chrome Bats are used instead of Wooden ones to further Emphasize the Directions of where those swings are headed for more clarity of the fight. like an animated slash in an Anime or like the Lightsabers from star wars.
One of the best action scenes of all time with well rounded skills from fancy kicks all the way to grappling!
Not even Ip Man series and Jet Li's Fist of Legend can match the action sequences of The Raid films and John Wick movies seem mundane, cheesy and like a joke in its close quarter combat scenes!
Donnie Yen's Flashpoint and SPL comes the closest as they feel very realistic but they sorta lack the creative defensive skills and usage of their environment against their opponents as well as the level of violence and aggression compared to The Raid films!
Very great take here. I think Fist of Legend and Ip Man are great in their own right, but I think where The Raid edges them out for me is in its believable. The moves feel realistic and the choreography is top notch. Fist of Legend came out in an era where they used tons of strings and effects, where as the Raid just feels all natural.
And I surprisingly haven't seen SPL yet. I'll have to check that out!
@@itakeonmovies Flashpoint and SPL are probably two of the most gritty and visceral martial art movies to have came out of HK. Unsurprisingly they were made by the same director (who also went on to make Ip Man). You'd enjoy SPL for sure.
I was 13 when the first Raid movie came out, and even at that age, I wanted to make movies- for a long time, I considered The Matrix my standard for movie action, but when I saw the Raid, that changed.
I don’t know if you know this but this movie is based off Bruce lees movie game of death, but I do believe the raid did it better for sure.
I've been watching martial arts movies since I was a lil kid in the 80s . Ong-bak and The Protector were my gold standard for newer martial arts movies, until I saw these. Absolute masterpieces of cinema and doubtful they'll ever be topped.
Well choreographed fight scenes are extremely satisfying. Raid was amazing. Also love those hallway fight scenes from Netflix’s Daredevil. In good fight scenes you can actually see what’s going on.
What's interesting is that while there is a lot of camera shake in these fight scenes it's not the same "shaky cam" that's often used as a crutch in typical action movies. It adds frenetic energy but the camera focus is still clearly on the people in the fight scene. It almost makes it feel like you are a combatant in one of the scenes, ducking and weaving or getting knocked around, while at the same time having to keep laser-like focus on what's going on. Whereas I feel like intent anymore with most shaky cam is to actually obscure the action. This allows for lazier choreography and does things like making it easier to hide stunt doubles, etc. I really feel like using shaky cam and enough jump cuts it wouldn't be too difficult to make a fight scene with random people that don't know the first thing about actual fighting.
Dude every time people bring up John Wick as peak action I feel like a know it all lol. I’m like naw kid watch The Raid. Then tell me what movie has the best action.
Lol exactly. And don't get me wrong John Wick has some great scenes, but let's not act like it wasn't influenced by The Raid.
There are some cool techniques I've heard about in these movies.
1. They shoot for the edit, which means they plan out the edits ahead of time and shoot for that. I guess some movies don't necessarily plan out all the edits before shooting. Shooting for the edit seems to result in less cuts, which is outlined in this video. Cool stuff!
2. They drop frames when hits connect. makes them more impactful.
I could be wrong about these, but I remember seeing some commentary on the corridor digital channel about it.
You're spot on. Excellent presentation.
what makes more interesting is... it is the bad guy , its became the "hero" for the audiance,
for me , the assasins smile is so verrrrry evil, and i like it lol
Yeah the Assassin I don't think said a word the entire movie, yet his eyes said everything we needed to know about him.
I own both movies and I enjoy watching them and I think they are one of the best action movies of all time
I own then both as well and agree. I didn't know when I watched the first one geez over 10 years ago now, that it would still be the movie action movie I compare every other too.
I love how these 2 movies understand action and how it fits in a movie, and i always wonder if the next action flick i will see can hold a candle to The Raid franchise