From brazil here. A couple of years ago I had the same issue (annoying loud continuous beep ). My UPS unit is an older model (like waaaaay older, over 10 years old) and does not have an error display. I opened it up, removed the battery and, after testing it, could assert that the battery was dead. Then I just bought a new 12volts battery. The new battery was too big to fit back into the UPS casing so I did some macgyver wiring to keep the battery outside the UPS unit. It worked like a charm and is doing just fine for like 15 years.
@@noorhaq8721 you are right, most lead acid batteries will last just 2 years or so. I can't remember exactly what I got but it is something like an AGM technology for solar. Next time I will shop around for lithium.
Yes, I run UPS in my datacenter, and some are sitting there for 15 years... the electronics should not die after 5 years... thats a bad product company if this is common.
This gonna sound funny: I (also) place UPS professionally. We replace the UPS every 4 years. The process: We calculate how much battery capacity is needed and multiply it by 1.25. (of course don’t forget the maximum output) After 4 years the battery pack in a quality UPS (like APC) will need to be replaced because they will lose around 25% of their capacity. To be on the save side, because we use them on critical systems, we completely replace the UPS. But dealing with non-critical systems I would recommend replacing the battery packs after 4 years and the whole unit after 8 years.
Don't expect UPS batteries to survive for years. 4 years is quite a decent age. Find any UPS with 3 or more Amperes of charging current (second-hand rack mounted APC Smart UPS will be a win, just change its fans to something silent) and the output power you need, hook up to it some huge external Pb or Li-FePO4 batteries and be happy. I'm using 1 kW 15 years old APC with external Li-FePO4 batteries (total capacity 1.28 kW*h) it was never even theoretically supposed to be used with, and it's OK. Just don't expect the batteries to live forever.
Also, make sure to get a pure sine wave UPS. When on battery it pushes out power that comes like it comes from the wall instead of it being square wave. It's more expensive but your electronics will thank you for it.
Here in Austria (Europe) I just looked up an official statistics: the total time of unscheduled power outages in 2023 was 33 minutes (that's a relatively high number due to some hail storms, and a few extraordinary weather phenomena). The last time I experienced outages exceeding a few hours (and got a UPS for our office) was in the late 80s in India. The telex and fax machine were also hooked up to that (big!) UPS. What's the problem in your area in this day and age?
The timing is amusing as I just had my 1500 (form APC) start sqauking at me last weekend. Replaced the batteries and it's good to go again, though these batteries didn't last as long as the prior ones. I figure a UPS is cheaper than lost work. I also keep all my networking gear on a UPS, so I don't drop from meetings with no warning.
You can never have too many UPS systems! Even though I use laptops almost exclusively, my network routers and switches are all plugged into UPSs so my entire home office stays up during power blips or outages. At least long enough for my generator to kick on. They also smooth out that nasty power a generator feeds into your panel. I've even got my main television plugged into a UPS. I spend a lot of money on batteries every couple of years, though.
F03 is a known issue with those, I had a few here that did that as well. The internal charger faults, and the battery slowly drains till the relay cant stay latched and it cuts off. You can trickle charge with 24v dc externally (12 to each battery) to get it back up. This "fix" held for a while but I ended up replacing them all.
I also put UPS for my FIOS ONT, routers, switches, NAS to keep my network going when there is a power failure. I also put them on my XBOX, PS5 game consoles, security cameras that require power and DVRs.
I can absolutely recommend EcoFlow devices for UPS purposes too. Especially with the quieter running of their latest series. There’s no surge protection, but surge protection reduces over time anyway and I just plug a surge protector into one.
@@AZisk Great for other uses too and can charge using solar or from your car. Plus its Lithium (a lot of UPS still use lead acid) so it has decent longevity. Sometimes we use it as a UPS, other times for camping trips or when we know we'll be in the car for a while. Handy for some power tools too when a long cord doesn't make sense.
Always use a pure sine wave UPS. If you’re looking for something that will continue working for 10 years, get a rack mount 48V Pylontech LiFePO4 battery and connect it to a high quality 48V inverter / charger with built in UPS like Victron Multiplus-II.
I was required to look into the battery storage part of solar. The Powerwall 3 and EP Cube have a product that when you put your whole home through the battery you essentially now have a whole home UPS or sub panel dedicated to circuits through an inverter. They have very safe LFP batteries now with over 6000 cycles. I believe these battery/inverters will be more accessible and come down in cost in the next 10 years. This will help to offset peak demand which will lower power bills whether you use solar of just use grid and batteries. You can back feed your electric car to your home or charge and keep your house power going too. The throughput is getting much better starting in the 13kVA range.
You don't need UPS. I did have UPS (APC and Cyberpower both) but only last 2-3 years each. Right now I just use voltage stabilizer, that's it. It has been 12 years without any issue, and it's cheaper than UPS in general.
@@xrafterI had an APC in the past and the battery swap worked well there. But replacing the battery when the error code clearly states it’s not the battery would be wasteful IMO unless I already had one laying around. However, now that I have two of them, a good and bad, I could try the swap
@AZisk Well, I only take the error codes as suggestion to a problem not an accurate of the problem. Specially battery related issues. Replace the battery and provide us with an update.
I have the same UPS and I just bought replacement batteries for mine. UPS should be used to protect your NAS. Cost was about $89 for official replacement battery.
Ah, UPS battery maintenance time… something one needs to get used to it. Few months ago, replaced the battery as well. Just looked up on youtube and see what battery it was, there are funnily quite common. Ordered a generic brand battery replacement. Also ordered another extra ups now I understand how to replace the battery. Ordered one with the same battery so next time it needs a replacement I know it’s the same battery, labeled it as well just for next time.
Everyone seems to think that UPS units are buy once keep forever items. They’re not. They’re consumables. Not just the battery but things like MOSFETs and circuitry wear out. They have a finite number and severity of power events they can protect against and that’s it. I work in enterprise technology we have thousands of these deployed across North America and we find ourselves swapping them out at various sites all the time. More so in regions with poor power quality and natural disaster prone regions.
"Only 5 years" bud I think you need to adjust your expectations. It's like a surge protector. It does its job by taking all the damage upon itself instead of passing it on to whatever electronics you plug into it. Of course it'll die after sustaining too much of that damage. You should be thankful your UPS is fried and not the computer you plugged into it.
the poles and wires on them is not why you have lots of brown outs and "hours" of power loss - you live in an area with shoddy power. I have cords in the air and none of those issues.
you should get a ups with lfp battery I recommend to check these two model ecoflow river 3 plus ecoflow Delta 3 plus These are the newest model with very good options
Isn't it bad for LFP when you put it in 100% state all the time, which UPS does for most of its life? Engineering Explained has ... explained it in his video about preserving LFP battery in your car. In short, LFP battery prefers charged at around 50% and charge it for a long time. Just to add information about lithium battery, Li battery prefer trickle charging (short charge but a lot)
eco flow products that two I recommend have mobile application that you can set limit on charge state for example you can set charge limit between 20-80 % For example you set limit to 70 % And then device not charge more than 70 And its keep charge level at level you put Overall the old ups like APC or any old version of them are not comparable to the new 2024 tech at all The technology gets so much in these years
The batteries don't last but a few years. You can get replacements off the shelf at Batteries+ Bulbs but you need to take the old batteries with you to make sure they will fit. I used to get 8 to 10 years out of lead acid batteries. Modern batteries rarely last even 4 years.
You know, I’m not sure why you need a UPS for your current AI machine. You will probably be using it mostly for inference, not training. You really don’t need a UPS except for servers, NAS or long running devices like for AI training. If your power goes out you probably wont be able to keep doing what you were doing (no lights). If you really want to be able to keep working, you need a power system for your house. Surge protectors protect your equipment and the biggest problem from power outages are spinning disks, which are probably only in your NAS.
Anything with an internal (ATX) power supply benefits from being fed from a UPS. Brownouts or voltage spikes have taken out 3 PSUs and one motherboard over the years in my home, and surge protectors I’ve used didn’t seem to actually work. If the power goes down it generally spikes when it comes back, and that has damaged my kit before I got UPS protection. I can only run for 20 mins on battery, but it’s enough time to send alerts, do small electrical jobs, or work through short outages.
Dont expect the UPS battery to be working more than 4 years, you're lucky it lasted for 4 years. I dont think you need to replace the unit - They are probably upselling. I myself use the UPS from APC, and have to change batteries after every 3~4 years.
@@AZisk I don’t think you’re facing this problem, especially since your high-quality power supply provides a 12VHPWR from Seasonic, which addresses most of the issues. From what I’ve seen in their recommendations, it seems like Seasonic is more concerned about this than NVIDIA. But I believe the RTX 4090 might have damaged the UPS. In fact, when the RTX 4090 is suddenly under heavy load, it can spike up to 800W for a quarter of a second before dropping back down to its TDP, and that spike might have burned out the UPS.
There's a Bigger Problem with UPS Like you bought, If I'm not wrong you went with Line Interactive UPS, That Has Stimulated Sign Wave Output aka Tapped Waves, QUASI Sine Wave. It would work Mostly Fine with Equipments that Doesn't Support Active Power Factor Correction (A PFC). But with APFC, These tend damage the Equipment Over Time, For Example Most Power Supplies Over 750 to 1000w Does Comes with Active Power Factor Correction. This could Cause Damage to PC'S that Uses These Power Supplies Over Time. During the Initial Usage Stage When it comes Power Supply Especially We would constantly Hear Hissing Noise in the Power Supplies that Increases Over Time and also has Potential to Permanently Damage the System as well. Therefore Using Pure Sine Wave Output UPS like Double Conversation Online UPS is Recommended.
Or... move to a country that has a decent power grid. I have stats on my UPS and it never detected an overcharge or power outage in 10 years. My smart meter tells the same story. The UPS still has use if electricity works require your feed to be cut, or every 10 years when the electric safety inspection happens and they check at what leakage levels the breakers will trip: I can keep my servers running.
Lol absurd timing, my APC UPS died last week, same annoying beeping noise. Mine was due to a “degraded” battery and I only had it for 3 years. I bought it in 2021, put it under my desk and forgets about it.
These devices commonly have Electrolytic Capacitors. They are the most common source of problems. They don't last for ever and they can leak and short out the "motherboard". Likewise the batteries also don't last for ever. Usually 5 years is the common life time of the components.
Why get a UPS if you are not using them for any mission critical tasks? As you said, you primarily use laptops. So just get a surge protector for your mini pcs, camera stuff and whatnot and it should be fine, right? No need to harm the environment with a giant battery pack
The point of a UPS is to give enough time for a graceful shutdown and to absorb short power fluctuations (which he said he gets sometimes). I've been through enough "short power fluctuations" to justify getting multiple UPS units, each with its own purpose. 1000va/850w for the PC, a pair of 1000va/650w for the monitors + storage pc, and a 650va/?w one for the ISP modem+router. At the very least, I don't have to worry about a half-second power outage/spike causing my windows install to bork itself, necessitating a multi-hour chkdsk (at best) or reinstall (at worst), or worse, file corruption. The battery situation sucks, but would rather the UPS battery getting replaced every few years, than for power-damaged hardware getting tossed out.
@@Skyline_NTR I know what a UPS is for. But I highly doubt he would require one for his workload since he primarily uses laptops as he said. Its a nice to have and I don't know how often outages/fluctuations occur for him but I don't think its necessary at all in his case. Besides, maybe the 5-6 Power Outages that I get per year are not enough to kill my PC, but I never ever got my Windows to break, chkdsk or anything like that because of a power outage. I wouldn't want to run windows update or a bios update when power runs out but other then that you *should* be fine. But thats very dependant on Workloads I guess. I'm not saying a UPS is unnecessary for everyone. I just don't think he would have so many power issues to justify it. Hence the comment. If I'd get a UPS personally, I'd only do that for my router since I can always continue work on my laptop (since I have my Code on remote git servers or Documents in OneDrive) and I don't have mobile reception at all were I live. As for my Desktop, I'd only see it as a waste of money.
@@menschentoasterI just made a similar comment (should have read the comments, first 😅) I would only add that in my 40 years in the computer industry, I have had more issues with UPSs then cases where they have protected my equipment and in years past with spinning disks and fewer laptops, they were actually necessary.
@@toadlguy Oh, wow. 40 Years of experience is incredible to me as an 18 y/o 😅 But I can easily imagine that. In every case where I would have wished to own one (which is like twice a year) I quickly realize that it would be more money, worries about safety and condition of the thing than its worth. In Datacenters thats a different story but for regular consumers I really don't see the point except in some places with a really unstable power grid. But I live on the countryside in Austria. We have pretty good infrastructure in Austria, but where I live the powergrid is less stable then it might be in more populated areas. But there is still no need for a UPS other then "just in case". And that specific case might as well never happen. Its like when everybody here got power generators because of the possiblity of a giant blackout ... except that still hasnt happened and it has been a while since buying these was the trend here. But other then UPSes these Power Generators might aswell help you to keep staying alive in a real emergency.
I have the same one. Had it for about 8 years? It caught fire. IMPORTANT: I want to share something because I made the same mistake when purchasing a UPS. It's not enough to ensure the UPS provides enough power; you also need to verify that your wall outlet and circuit can handle it. Multiple outlets don’t necessarily mean more power, as they may all be connected to the same circuit on your breaker panel. In North America, a standard 15-amp circuit typically provides up to 1800 watts, but it's recommended to use only 80% of that capacity, which is around 1440 watts for continuous loads. So, even if you have several outlets in a room (like my living room, which has 5), they could all be on the same circuit, sharing the same 1440W limit. The outlets are there to give you options for plugging in devices, but they don’t increase the total power available. To figure out which outlets are on the same circuit, go to your breaker panel, turn off each circuit individually, and check which outlets lose power. That way, you’ll know how much total power is available in your room. You may find that you need to split devices across different circuits in the room. If you need to run a power cable across the room, ensure the cable’s gauge is thick enough to prevent voltage drop. A 14 AWG cable can handle 15 amps for shorter runs (typically under 50 feet). For longer runs, consider using 12 AWG or even 10 AWG for better safety and performance.
It would have been an option, to power the graphics card regularly without the UPS? I mean what damage might it give, if not crashing ollama? I have some similar setup, where the mini PC has the own small battery and goes into sleep, if not powered (will last ~24h)...
Alex, I have the same UPS that you didn’t replace the batteries in it. There are 2 batteries and it took about 15m and $30. 😂 UPS hardware is very reliable and rarely “dies” 90-98% of the time it’s the batteries…. As for AI and power, the data center power requirements are massive and so are the cooling issues, which means chip level inefficiencies. Yeah, you can download a document from Nvidia about their latest data center design/configuration requirements (I did for a consulting job) and nobody talks about the power consumption, but they should. It is the typical life cycle of electronics… 1st make it work, 2nd reduce is cost, 3rd streamline the power consumption. Remember how much heat your Pentium 2 based PC generated… well, maybe you’re too young to remember that… 😂
What a throwaway society we're in - just replace the batteries for $30! Buy bulk ones, not the overpriced from the UPS manufacturer! Lead acid batteries are around since 1859 and well understood - SLA/gel ones just dry up after some years on standby. Got many APC UPSes running 15 years+ like a charm.. And that "support" from a callcenter in India - omg!
That particular CyberPower model series has a shorting issue caused by PC board glue turning conductive over 5 years or so...referred to as the "Yellow Glue of Death" problem. Can be fixed but disassembly & new circuit board components soldering required.
@@agedwiseone9220 Ah - Then it also might be a good decision in the long term to avoid all "too cheap" brands and not to buy the same crap over and over again :)
@@salat It’s a good brand, I have several. They got some bad product from suppliers (glue/silicone). Their “True Sine Wave” series is a much better value than the “APC” brand.
@@fadoobaba When you say that they make the best UPS, is that based on your experience with the one that lasted you from 2009 to 2023? What model was it?
Better to have and not need than to need and not have :D. Or He who buys cheap buys twice. So when i buy something than the best and biggest. So i am future proof.
From brazil here. A couple of years ago I had the same issue (annoying loud continuous beep ). My UPS unit is an older model (like waaaaay older, over 10 years old) and does not have an error display. I opened it up, removed the battery and, after testing it, could assert that the battery was dead. Then I just bought a new 12volts battery. The new battery was too big to fit back into the UPS casing so I did some macgyver wiring to keep the battery outside the UPS unit. It worked like a charm and is doing just fine for like 15 years.
Which battery did you use. Because most batteries for me last like 2 years max.
@@noorhaq8721 you are right, most lead acid batteries will last just 2 years or so. I can't remember exactly what I got but it is something like an AGM technology for solar. Next time I will shop around for lithium.
Yes, I run UPS in my datacenter, and some are sitting there for 15 years... the electronics should not die after 5 years... thats a bad product company if this is common.
This whole AI adventure is becoming more and more power hungry...
Because you killed it with your video card setup 😂
yep
I recall that video in which he used a large power supply unit to power the video card
This gonna sound funny: I (also) place UPS professionally.
We replace the UPS every 4 years.
The process:
We calculate how much battery capacity is needed and multiply it by 1.25. (of course don’t forget the maximum output)
After 4 years the battery pack in a quality UPS (like APC) will need to be replaced because they will lose around 25% of their capacity. To be on the save side, because we use them on critical systems, we completely replace the UPS. But dealing with non-critical systems I would recommend replacing the battery packs after 4 years and the whole unit after 8 years.
Don't expect UPS batteries to survive for years. 4 years is quite a decent age. Find any UPS with 3 or more Amperes of charging current (second-hand rack mounted APC Smart UPS will be a win, just change its fans to something silent) and the output power you need, hook up to it some huge external Pb or Li-FePO4 batteries and be happy. I'm using 1 kW 15 years old APC with external Li-FePO4 batteries (total capacity 1.28 kW*h) it was never even theoretically supposed to be used with, and it's OK. Just don't expect the batteries to live forever.
sounds like you want surge protection more than backup power if it's for protecting devices and given your current setup?
I want a combo
@@AZisk Surge protectors wear out over time, depending on how stable the power you get is.
Very gracious and humble to impart such information 🙏
That first phrase was awesome 😂 I think I will need one of those soon! Thanks for sharing❤
Also, make sure to get a pure sine wave UPS. When on battery it pushes out power that comes like it comes from the wall instead of it being square wave. It's more expensive but your electronics will thank you for it.
Here in Austria (Europe) I just looked up an official statistics: the total time of unscheduled power outages in 2023 was 33 minutes (that's a relatively high number due to some hail storms, and a few extraordinary weather phenomena). The last time I experienced outages exceeding a few hours (and got a UPS for our office) was in the late 80s in India. The telex and fax machine were also hooked up to that (big!) UPS. What's the problem in your area in this day and age?
You're comparing Austria to the US. I am from North Africa and we have a more reliable power network than the US.
About 5 years is a perfectly normal lifespan for a UPS actually. And it’s not one of the premium brands ether… so not too surprised.
Especially in an area with bad power as he initially led with. This shouldn't have been an video.
well, the whole unit needing to be replace is likely wrong, he likely just needed a new battery - but I would assume they would tell him that.
Same model, Had the same f03 issue after 4 years, replaced batteries inside, has been working without issue for a year now, holding charge.
The timing is amusing as I just had my 1500 (form APC) start sqauking at me last weekend. Replaced the batteries and it's good to go again, though these batteries didn't last as long as the prior ones. I figure a UPS is cheaper than lost work. I also keep all my networking gear on a UPS, so I don't drop from meetings with no warning.
i had an APC 10 years ago. It died and all i had to do was swap the battery too.
You can never have too many UPS systems! Even though I use laptops almost exclusively, my network routers and switches are all plugged into UPSs so my entire home office stays up during power blips or outages. At least long enough for my generator to kick on. They also smooth out that nasty power a generator feeds into your panel. I've even got my main television plugged into a UPS. I spend a lot of money on batteries every couple of years, though.
F03 is a known issue with those, I had a few here that did that as well. The internal charger faults, and the battery slowly drains till the relay cant stay latched and it cuts off. You can trickle charge with 24v dc externally (12 to each battery) to get it back up. This "fix" held for a while but I ended up replacing them all.
I also put UPS for my FIOS ONT, routers, switches, NAS to keep my network going when there is a power failure. I also put them on my XBOX, PS5 game consoles, security cameras that require power and DVRs.
You were running RTX 4090 on that with constant beep remember ?
I can absolutely recommend EcoFlow devices for UPS purposes too. Especially with the quieter running of their latest series. There’s no surge protection, but surge protection reduces over time anyway and I just plug a surge protector into one.
haven’t tried one of those yet. expensive!
@@AZisk Great for other uses too and can charge using solar or from your car. Plus its Lithium (a lot of UPS still use lead acid) so it has decent longevity. Sometimes we use it as a UPS, other times for camping trips or when we know we'll be in the car for a while. Handy for some power tools too when a long cord doesn't make sense.
big respect for providing full form of ups in the beginning !
Always use a pure sine wave UPS. If you’re looking for something that will continue working for 10 years, get a rack mount 48V Pylontech LiFePO4 battery and connect it to a high quality 48V inverter / charger with built in UPS like Victron Multiplus-II.
I was required to look into the battery storage part of solar. The Powerwall 3 and EP Cube have a product that when you put your whole home through the battery you essentially now have a whole home UPS or sub panel dedicated to circuits through an inverter. They have very safe LFP batteries now with over 6000 cycles. I believe these battery/inverters will be more accessible and come down in cost in the next 10 years. This will help to offset peak demand which will lower power bills whether you use solar of just use grid and batteries. You can back feed your electric car to your home or charge and keep your house power going too. The throughput is getting much better starting in the 13kVA range.
I love this AI adventure period, your videos are so hands on
You don't need UPS. I did have UPS (APC and Cyberpower both) but only last 2-3 years each. Right now I just use voltage stabilizer, that's it. It has been 12 years without any issue, and it's cheaper than UPS in general.
Have you tried replacing the batteries?
I don’t need anything really.
@@xrafterI had an APC in the past and the battery swap worked well there. But replacing the battery when the error code clearly states it’s not the battery would be wasteful IMO unless I already had one laying around. However, now that I have two of them, a good and bad, I could try the swap
@AZisk
Well, I only take the error codes as suggestion to a problem not an accurate of the problem. Specially battery related issues. Replace the battery and provide us with an update.
You have the best studio I’ve ever seen on a tech channel. Most have their bedroom in the background. Do you sleep in there too?
sometimes
I have the same UPS and I just bought replacement batteries for mine. UPS should be used to protect your NAS. Cost was about $89 for official replacement battery.
Eaton is very popular in Germany. I have my UPS mainly for my Synology, the switch and the Fritzbox
Having two UPS units gives you a redundancy in case of real power outage. The smaller UPS can be used also for room lighting.
Ah, UPS battery maintenance time… something one needs to get used to it.
Few months ago, replaced the battery as well. Just looked up on youtube and see what battery it was, there are funnily quite common. Ordered a generic brand battery replacement. Also ordered another extra ups now I understand how to replace the battery. Ordered one with the same battery so next time it needs a replacement I know it’s the same battery, labeled it as well just for next time.
This whole time I was still waiting for a UPS shipping story 😂
Everyone seems to think that UPS units are buy once keep forever items. They’re not. They’re consumables. Not just the battery but things like MOSFETs and circuitry wear out. They have a finite number and severity of power events they can protect against and that’s it. I work in enterprise technology we have thousands of these deployed across North America and we find ourselves swapping them out at various sites all the time. More so in regions with poor power quality and natural disaster prone regions.
"Only 5 years" bud I think you need to adjust your expectations. It's like a surge protector. It does its job by taking all the damage upon itself instead of passing it on to whatever electronics you plug into it. Of course it'll die after sustaining too much of that damage. You should be thankful your UPS is fried and not the computer you plugged into it.
the poles and wires on them is not why you have lots of brown outs and "hours" of power loss - you live in an area with shoddy power. I have cords in the air and none of those issues.
PS - you need to change the batter every so many years
Yup, never buy a less wattage ups than needed, once did and replaced it as I bought it from amazon
Yeah, I replaced my battery 4 years ago and it is dead. But at current location I do not need it
you should get a ups with lfp battery
I recommend to check these two model
ecoflow river 3 plus
ecoflow Delta 3 plus
These are the newest model with very good options
Isn't it bad for LFP when you put it in 100% state all the time, which UPS does for most of its life? Engineering Explained has ... explained it in his video about preserving LFP battery in your car.
In short, LFP battery prefers charged at around 50% and charge it for a long time.
Just to add information about lithium battery, Li battery prefer trickle charging (short charge but a lot)
eco flow products that two I recommend have mobile application that you can set limit on charge state for example you can set charge limit between 20-80 %
For example you set limit to
70 %
And then device not charge more than 70
And its keep charge level at level you put
Overall the old ups like APC or any old version of them are not comparable to the new 2024 tech at all
The technology gets so much in these years
Move the small one to your NAS since you don't need it anymore. You don't want that to shut down randomly either
The batteries don't last but a few years. You can get replacements off the shelf at Batteries+ Bulbs but you need to take the old batteries with you to make sure they will fit.
I used to get 8 to 10 years out of lead acid batteries. Modern batteries rarely last even 4 years.
You know, I’m not sure why you need a UPS for your current AI machine. You will probably be using it mostly for inference, not training. You really don’t need a UPS except for servers, NAS or long running devices like for AI training. If your power goes out you probably wont be able to keep doing what you were doing (no lights). If you really want to be able to keep working, you need a power system for your house. Surge protectors protect your equipment and the biggest problem from power outages are spinning disks, which are probably only in your NAS.
Anything with an internal (ATX) power supply benefits from being fed from a UPS. Brownouts or voltage spikes have taken out 3 PSUs and one motherboard over the years in my home, and surge protectors I’ve used didn’t seem to actually work. If the power goes down it generally spikes when it comes back, and that has damaged my kit before I got UPS protection. I can only run for 20 mins on battery, but it’s enough time to send alerts, do small electrical jobs, or work through short outages.
Dont expect the UPS battery to be working more than 4 years, you're lucky it lasted for 4 years. I dont think you need to replace the unit - They are probably upselling. I myself use the UPS from APC, and have to change batteries after every 3~4 years.
We replace the batteries in our server room UPS's about every 2.5 years give or take a few months.
UPS pulled Task Manager meme 😂 it joined broken side instead of stopping everything else joining that broken side
3:08 the rtx 4090 burns all the 12VHPWR cable, burn UPS
seems my cable is ok for now. what percentage of units does this happen on?
thats what I also thought
@@AZisk I don’t think you’re facing this problem, especially since your high-quality power supply provides a 12VHPWR from Seasonic, which addresses most of the issues. From what I’ve seen in their recommendations, it seems like Seasonic is more concerned about this than NVIDIA. But I believe the RTX 4090 might have damaged the UPS. In fact, when the RTX 4090 is suddenly under heavy load, it can spike up to 800W for a quarter of a second before dropping back down to its TDP, and that spike might have burned out the UPS.
There's a Bigger Problem with UPS Like you bought, If I'm not wrong you went with Line Interactive UPS, That Has Stimulated Sign Wave Output aka Tapped Waves, QUASI Sine Wave. It would work Mostly Fine with Equipments that Doesn't Support Active Power Factor Correction (A PFC). But with APFC, These tend damage the Equipment Over Time, For Example Most Power Supplies Over 750 to 1000w Does Comes with Active Power Factor Correction. This could Cause Damage to PC'S that Uses These Power Supplies Over Time. During the Initial Usage Stage When it comes Power Supply Especially We would constantly Hear Hissing Noise in the Power Supplies that Increases Over Time and also has Potential to Permanently Damage the System as well. Therefore Using Pure Sine Wave Output UPS like Double Conversation Online UPS is Recommended.
Or... move to a country that has a decent power grid. I have stats on my UPS and it never detected an overcharge or power outage in 10 years. My smart meter tells the same story.
The UPS still has use if electricity works require your feed to be cut, or every 10 years when the electric safety inspection happens and they check at what leakage levels the breakers will trip: I can keep my servers running.
Lol absurd timing, my APC UPS died last week, same annoying beeping noise.
Mine was due to a “degraded” battery and I only had it for 3 years. I bought it in 2021, put it under my desk and forgets about it.
These devices commonly have Electrolytic Capacitors. They are the most common source of problems. They don't last for ever and they can leak and short out the "motherboard". Likewise the batteries also don't last for ever. Usually 5 years is the common life time of the components.
Why get a UPS if you are not using them for any mission critical tasks? As you said, you primarily use laptops. So just get a surge protector for your mini pcs, camera stuff and whatnot and it should be fine, right? No need to harm the environment with a giant battery pack
The point of a UPS is to give enough time for a graceful shutdown and to absorb short power fluctuations (which he said he gets sometimes).
I've been through enough "short power fluctuations" to justify getting multiple UPS units, each with its own purpose. 1000va/850w for the PC, a pair of 1000va/650w for the monitors + storage pc, and a 650va/?w one for the ISP modem+router. At the very least, I don't have to worry about a half-second power outage/spike causing my windows install to bork itself, necessitating a multi-hour chkdsk (at best) or reinstall (at worst), or worse, file corruption.
The battery situation sucks, but would rather the UPS battery getting replaced every few years, than for power-damaged hardware getting tossed out.
@@Skyline_NTR I know what a UPS is for. But I highly doubt he would require one for his workload since he primarily uses laptops as he said. Its a nice to have and I don't know how often outages/fluctuations occur for him but I don't think its necessary at all in his case.
Besides, maybe the 5-6 Power Outages that I get per year are not enough to kill my PC, but I never ever got my Windows to break, chkdsk or anything like that because of a power outage. I wouldn't want to run windows update or a bios update when power runs out but other then that you *should* be fine.
But thats very dependant on Workloads I guess. I'm not saying a UPS is unnecessary for everyone. I just don't think he would have so many power issues to justify it. Hence the comment. If I'd get a UPS personally, I'd only do that for my router since I can always continue work on my laptop (since I have my Code on remote git servers or Documents in OneDrive) and I don't have mobile reception at all were I live. As for my Desktop, I'd only see it as a waste of money.
@@menschentoasterI just made a similar comment (should have read the comments, first 😅) I would only add that in my 40 years in the computer industry, I have had more issues with UPSs then cases where they have protected my equipment and in years past with spinning disks and fewer laptops, they were actually necessary.
@@toadlguy Oh, wow. 40 Years of experience is incredible to me as an 18 y/o 😅
But I can easily imagine that. In every case where I would have wished to own one (which is like twice a year) I quickly realize that it would be more money, worries about safety and condition of the thing than its worth. In Datacenters thats a different story but for regular consumers I really don't see the point except in some places with a really unstable power grid.
But I live on the countryside in Austria. We have pretty good infrastructure in Austria, but where I live the powergrid is less stable then it might be in more populated areas. But there is still no need for a UPS other then "just in case". And that specific case might as well never happen.
Its like when everybody here got power generators because of the possiblity of a giant blackout ... except that still hasnt happened and it has been a while since buying these was the trend here. But other then UPSes these Power Generators might aswell help you to keep staying alive in a real emergency.
I have the same one. Had it for about 8 years? It caught fire.
IMPORTANT: I want to share something because I made the same mistake when purchasing a UPS. It's not enough to ensure the UPS provides enough power; you also need to verify that your wall outlet and circuit can handle it. Multiple outlets don’t necessarily mean more power, as they may all be connected to the same circuit on your breaker panel.
In North America, a standard 15-amp circuit typically provides up to 1800 watts, but it's recommended to use only 80% of that capacity, which is around 1440 watts for continuous loads. So, even if you have several outlets in a room (like my living room, which has 5), they could all be on the same circuit, sharing the same 1440W limit. The outlets are there to give you options for plugging in devices, but they don’t increase the total power available.
To figure out which outlets are on the same circuit, go to your breaker panel, turn off each circuit individually, and check which outlets lose power. That way, you’ll know how much total power is available in your room. You may find that you need to split devices across different circuits in the room.
If you need to run a power cable across the room, ensure the cable’s gauge is thick enough to prevent voltage drop. A 14 AWG cable can handle 15 amps for shorter runs (typically under 50 feet). For longer runs, consider using 12 AWG or even 10 AWG for better safety and performance.
My peanut brain thought you meant UPS the delivery company when I saw the thumbnail.
The F03 error code appears, usually the capacitor in the charging circuit is damaged, just replace it.
It would have been an option, to power the graphics card regularly without the UPS?
I mean what damage might it give, if not crashing ollama?
I have some similar setup, where the mini PC has the own small battery and goes into sleep, if not powered (will last ~24h)...
Lead acid batteries will degrade overtime. You need to replace them every 1 to 2 years max.
Classic project overspend issue; tried to save some cents and ended up spending dollars 😉😉
UPS are sooo nineties... I've got EcoFlow River 2 Pro for 450 bucks, and it works like a charm :)
4 years holly F. It lasted long enough.
Nice Pinoy call center agent you got there. Probably Cebu City :)
I was still waiting for the part about UPS, the delivery company… half way into the video🤦♂️
How big is the new UPS?
1500VA
Do the math what wattage you need and multiply it by 1.5-2.0 and go buying
Had the same model that failed with same error after 3 years. Will not buy cyberpower crap again.
I was expecting drama haha
In india frequently power outs😂
nowadays they always says that..... get a new one ...really frustating
Batteries should be replaced every year to year and a half.
Wow. That's too soon
Wattage?
No!
Power!
Alex, I have the same UPS that you didn’t replace the batteries in it. There are 2 batteries and it took about 15m and $30. 😂 UPS hardware is very reliable and rarely “dies” 90-98% of the time it’s the batteries…. As for AI and power, the data center power requirements are massive and so are the cooling issues, which means chip level inefficiencies. Yeah, you can download a document from Nvidia about their latest data center design/configuration requirements (I did for a consulting job) and nobody talks about the power consumption, but they should. It is the typical life cycle of electronics… 1st make it work, 2nd reduce is cost, 3rd streamline the power consumption. Remember how much heat your Pentium 2 based PC generated… well, maybe you’re too young to remember that… 😂
I thought you live in Boston or Seattle, and this is your basement ...
You should've replaced the battery. Next time ask one of the AI models. ;)
When will AI replace our UPS's?
You in thailand?
What a throwaway society we're in - just replace the batteries for $30! Buy bulk ones, not the overpriced from the UPS manufacturer! Lead acid batteries are around since 1859 and well understood - SLA/gel ones just dry up after some years on standby.
Got many APC UPSes running 15 years+ like a charm.. And that "support" from a callcenter in India - omg!
I second this! I've got several nice APC units from work that were going to be recycled, that just needed $30 worth of batteries!
That particular CyberPower model series has a shorting issue caused by PC board glue turning conductive over 5 years or so...referred to as the "Yellow Glue of Death" problem. Can be fixed but disassembly & new circuit board components soldering required.
@@agedwiseone9220 Ah - Then it also might be a good decision in the long term to avoid all "too cheap" brands and not to buy the same crap over and over again :)
@@salat It’s a good brand, I have several. They got some bad product from suppliers (glue/silicone). Their “True Sine Wave” series is a much better value than the “APC” brand.
You in the US and you didn't buy APC is beyond belief..
Why
@@AZisk They make the best UPS.. The one on my computer lasted from 2009 till 2023.. Just changed batteries after every 3 4 years
@@fadoobaba When you say that they make the best UPS, is that based on your experience with the one that lasted you from 2009 to 2023? What model was it?
@@AZisk But, after battery change, you have to update the software of UPS to tell it about new batteries installed. The vendors do it for a fee
Better to have and not need than to need and not have :D. Or He who buys cheap buys twice.
So when i buy something than the best and biggest. So i am future proof.
Windows is awful as you know Alex. Mac all day. OR Linux on a M1 Max!!
are in us all support indian?
lol, the tech support guy is Indian
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